Ilan Pappe on "The Forgotten Palestinians"

[@herebysayi]

A brave man whom we should all support!.

[@carolgaribay]

A man with principles.

[@Meero1993]

LOVE YOU MAN! LIBERAL PALESTINIAN ATHEIST HERE... LET'S ALL EVOLVE!

[@EHDROCK]

I love those Jews to stand for justice, are against violence, and promote peace through sharing with us what they know?. I like Professor IIan Pappe. God bless him in all his endeavors. I will purchase a copy of "The Forgotten Palestinians."

[@raybergmanngmail]

On the night between 22 and 23 May 1948, soldiers of the Alexandroni brigade attacked the village. The fighting caused the deaths of a few dozen Arabs and 14 Israeli soldiers.[Yoav Gelber (2006), p. 291] According to the analysis of Yoav Gelber, based on a counting of the inhabitants, the refugees, the POW's and the deaths, there were no people missing and therefore no massacre could have occurred.[Folklore versus History: The Tantura Blood Libel, Appendix III of Yoav Gelber (2006)]

[@n0manland]

Love this man. A jew with a conscience. Thanks for the upload.

[@marrisa17]

Such a great historian and human being!

[@vacyv]

Superb lecture on Israel's apartheid policies and oppression. Thank you GLW

[@nofunclub]

Democrazy : when 51% of the population decide what to do with the other 49%

[@raybergmanngmail]

Ilan Pappé considers that the testimonies of former Alexandroni soldiers and Palestinian refugees prove, on the contrary, that at least 200 unarmed Tantura villagers were killed, whether in revenge for the death of Israeli soldiers due to sniper shots or later when they were unjustifiably accused of hiding weapons.[Ilan Pappé, The Tantura case in Israel, Journal of Palestine Studies, 2001, pp. 19-39.]

[@menodimi1]

EGYPT:Infant mortality rate: total: 24.23 deaths/1,000 live births male: 25.8 deaths/1,000 live births female: 22.59 deaths/1,000 live births (2011 est.)

[@menodimi1]

Synagogue of Dura-Europos At an archaeological dig site in Eastern Syria along the banks of the Euphrates. Dura-Europos. There numerous pagan temples were uncovered as well a primitive Christian Church and an extensive Judaic Synagogue with walls of frescoes depicting extensive relationship between the Jew, the Torah/Bible and the Lands of Israel. This bit of history is too on display for all to see within the Damascus National Museum.

[@menodimi1]

WHO: GAZA:"Infant mortality rate: total: 16.55 deaths/1,000 live births male: 17.65 deaths/1,000 live births female: 15.38 deaths/1,000 live births (2011 est.) WHO: TURKEY " Infant mortality rate: total: 23.07 deaths/1,000 live births male: 24.13 deaths/1,000 live births female: 21.96 deaths/1,000 live births (2011 est.)

[@n0manland]

Laughing stock not only the entire sane world but the insane too.

[@menodimi1]

EGYPT: LIFE EXPECTANCY :"Life expectancy at birth: total population: 72.93 years male: 70.33 years female: 75.66 years (2011 est.) TURKEY:Life expectancy at birth: total population: 72.77 years male: 70.86 years female: 74.78 years (2011 est.) GAZA Gaza Strip Life expectancy at birth Life expectancy at birth: total population: 74.16 years SOUTH AFRICA Life expectancy at birth: total population: 49.41 years male: 50.34 years female: 48.45 years (2011 est.) PAPPE DEBUNKED

[@greywolf852]

Celebrated by who? Ilan Pappe was fired by Haifa University for supporting a student's masters thesis that examined and analyzed a massacre of Israel's War of Independence that never happend, in Tantura. He was fired for "academic dishonesty". Several years later, he admitted on French TV that he did not write about the facts, but about his "interpretation of what the facts should be". This puts him in the class of historical fiction writers and not in the class of historians. THAT is Pappe.

[@menodimi1]

The Qur'an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."

[@abokareem7586]

Moses ppl were Muslims. The Quran addressed Muslims, read Quran good. Judaism appeared much later after the so called "division". And even this "allowing to enter" was conditional, which was not fulfilled. In Torah there is no mention of "Jews or Judaism" , Moses didn't hear about these terms. Modern ppl who migrated from Europe to Palestine are Jews , not Israelites.

[@menodimi1]

from Quran 5:21 thus: Ibn Kathir (d. 774/1373) said: ?That which God has written for you? i.e. That which God has promised to you by the words of your father Israel that it is the inheritance of those among you who believe

[@menodimi1]

The Qur'an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers." At that time there were no such people as the "Palestinians" .The Qur'an mentions Jews no Palestinians.

[@menodimi1]

I formally challenge Ilan Pappe to a debate in the factually accurate history of Judea/ Judeans/ Jews and how "Palestine" like more than 50 once non Islamic lands was invaded by Muslims starting in the 7th century. There is no 'ethnic cleansing of "Palestinians". Not factually not even close. To the contrary. In 1990 there were 400,000 Palestinians in Gaza- today 1.7 million. Kuwait ethnically cleansed 450,000 Palestinians. Why the silence and revisionism?

[@menodimi1]

Ilan Pappe says "the Palestinians inside Israel"- acknowledging Palestinians in Israel that is 27000 sq km. Can he say the same for Jews in the more than 50 once non Islamic states including Judenrien Gaza/ West Bank/ Jordan .... etc... NO JEWS ALLOWED ! The fact is that "Palestinians" are a euphemism for Muslims given the fact that the majority of the mythological 'Palestinians" are in fact Muslim with a sharp decline in non Muslims consistent with the entire Islamic world.

[@menodimi1]

Than laugh at the Koran!:20 Remember Moses said to his people: “O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. 5:21 “O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.” [Quran Sura 5:20-21]

[@menodimi1]

You lost this debate a long time ago. Cyrus Cylinder Imagine a document that tells how King Cyrus of Persia (Iran) conquered Babylon (Iraq) and liberated the Israelites and all others who had been enslaved there to return to their homelands to re-establish their temples to their gods. This true story is also told from the Israelite point-of-view in Hebrew scripture. Yes, Iran help re-establish a homeland for Jews in Israel/Palestine 2,600 years ago.

[@TomerValve]

Sometimes you need to ask yourself, If you allow them to do what ever they want. will there be a state left for you in the future or will you get kicked out or worse, killed. They are more than welcome to imegrate if they are unhappy, europe loves them.

[@sheridanpeterson4878]

Tomer, You forget. They were there first. They were the aborigines. You Hebrews came from Mesopotamia.Abraham, the founder of your religion as well as the Muslims and Christians is buried there. It is their land just as America is the Indians. We treated the Indians much the same as you have the Palestinians. But your reservations are much worse that ours. We are culprits by providing you with planes, helicopters, artillery, tanks, napalm, white phosphorus, cluster bombs, daisy cutters, block busters, etc. No one else in the world supports you. You have 300 nuclear missiles and I suppose when the ISSI are amassed on your borders you will destroy the world including yourselves.

[@milalewis983]

"... [Judea]... is a biblical Judean territory." This concept of god as the Jews real-estate agent always makes me laugh!!

[@vnpeker]

Hopely Pappe aready not Israeli historian, he represents Arab's "Agitprop" only (Pro-palestinian activist - as in clip's title) - now from Britain. So the first only lie is that he "represents" Israel. About others - see "Critical assessment" in Wiki

[@chingungala]

Most of the so called palestinians are not natives. They were arab peasants settlers who came from Siria to the Galilee and also came from Egypt to Gaza during the rule of the Wali of Egypt Mohammed Ali Pasha in the 19 century. Most of the population of Jerusalem on those times were Jews who lived there for centuries. So dont give me that bull about palestinians being the ancient Canaanites.

[@jamesfletcher9268]

Are you trying to say there were no Arab Palestinians in Palestine before the 19th century?

[@CerberusCheerleader]

+Sefardi10 "In the history of colonization in other countries every native population, civilized or not, regards its lands as its national home. This is equaly true of the Arabs." - Zeev Jabotinsky Notice, Jabotinsky had no illusions that the European Jews were the colonists and that the Arabs who already lived there were the natives.

[@jamesfletcher9268]

***** Cant take you seriously if you post links to rabid christian zionist websites...those folks are oit of their minds.

[@roosgarden]

You are so true.. I just saw a intervieuw on YT where Pappe said that there was an special English archive with films of 1948. But there is no evidence, he made it up. WHy is Pappe such a liar:(

[@milalewis983]

All of this contradicts your originals claims based on your "CIA fact book" source. Which was what I was referring to in my response. Not sure what your first language is because you seem to have major problems with basic comprehension and written expression in English. Perhaps you should restrict yourself to arguing in a language you're actually fluent in.

[@n0manland]

Right you have become a spamming menace. I have blocked your insanity.

[@Berylpamela]

Isabelita - Jeremy thomas, you are a true believer in Israeli mythology. What is made up is the "evidence' produced against Ilan Pappe. Do you still believe that an Arab broadcast caused the Palestinians to leave, when it was proved tp be a pack of lies in 1961?

[@menodimi1]

Look you fail miserably in any debate about the history of the Middle East/ Israel/ Judea/ Judeans/ Zionism/ which provides voluminous and obvious evidence that supports Judean/ Jewish Rights to Judea. So in keeping with Jew hate your only choice is to ignore factually specific annd accurate history that supports Jewish rights to less than 30% of their lands of "Palestine"( as you know 70% is already in the hands of Arabs). and you are left with your Jew hate absent of any facts!

[@menodimi1]

Ilan Pappe is making a fast buck and celebrity just because he is a Jew who has joined the Jew haters . Hardly a talent of any kind. Than again what does it take to impress a bunch of Jew bashers.. not much!

[@yedub1]

so false why doesn't he go and live in aza!

[@rachel36ify]

Ilan Pappe is an ex-Israeli, ex-historian. This guy was expelled from his Israeli university position after he was found to be fabricating historical data. Pappe's books have been critiqued by many reviewers since his interpretations are based on half-truths, falsified facts and wishful thinking. He makes a living by receiving big $$$ from Saudi Arabia.

[@rachel36ify]

Steffen Zander is a pretend Nazi wannabee. Unfortunately, he has just soiled his pants and his mom will soon change his daipers.

[@apc4884]

Given how much Israel lies , we'd rather believe Ilan than Israel. Expelling him is exactly what I would expect of Israel. I haven't seen any evidence that his books are fiction. Care to provide any?

[@bluestar6879]

@@apc4884 Well, the following Israeli historians, whose research area is Israel's history, have stated that Pappe's writings are fictional. Anita Shapira Benny Morris Dvorah Barzilay-Yegar Yehuda Lapidot Yossi Goldstein Yoav Gelber Ephraim Karsh But if you do not believe them, there is Pappe himself: "I admit that my ideology influences my historical writings…......." "Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts. Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truth-seekers."

[@bluestar6879]

@@apc4884 The citation is from “An Interview of Ilan Pappé,” Baudouin Loos, Le Soir [Bruxelles],Nov. 29, 1999.