High Notes, Head Voice and Whistle Tones || A Conversation with A Voice Teacher and Classical Singer

[@BlackMusicArchive]

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[@smurf902]

This is one of the best channels I've ever seen on KZbin, hands down. Just needed to say that!

[@user-hk9fu4vm2u]

I would like to know more about what she thinks regarding Yma Sumac and her approach to whistle register and also her "triple coloratura" technique and wether her approach was safe or damaging to her voice. Also if possible i would like a video analysis of Yma Sumac too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHrdgmxqf5psf9Usi=wqUGWyh63mvjxlw5

[@1sava]

She needs to offer a masterclass. Her eloquence and expertise is so invaluable. Thank you for having her on

[@dayzour123]

This lady ate she knew exactly what she was talking about would love to have her as my vocal coach

[@shantiaelise]

She is INCREDIBLE! Had her for 2 semesters and it changed my life, such a gem 🙏🏽✨️

[@whoevr]

@@shantiaelise wow

[@afrolatino89]

Does she really? Betty Wright was still going into Whistle Register, and she still had a connected sound.

[@danclarkcastillo7178]

@@afrolatino89 Please! Let's be honest here. Betty Wright is a terrible example of a vocalist here. Her middle voice is shot, and she works around her damaged middle voice by hollering through her C5, D5, or F5. And if her hoarse middle voice isn't enough, she'll grace you with her weak, squeaky head voice, which she doesn't use that much anyway because she'll just flip to her grating whistle notes.

[@gaylefranklin]

@@danclarkcastillo7178see how ppl don’t realize how they’ve set up an artist by misattributing skills to them. You are absolutely right.

[@tylermills4812]

This Lamb appreciates your videos. It was obvious to me that your video was not malicious in any way. You clearly know your stuff, so don’t let these people in the comments dissuade you. Your videos are the only ones I tune into for in this KZbin space.

[@votionaire]

I'd love to see a Minnie Riperton voice explained video

[@iantuition]

PLEASE! I don't know how much it might be to sponsor it, but I got ≥5 on it lol

[@waterbearer4627]

Isola's knowledge and analysis is very worthy and accurate, she said some uncomfortable things for fans of certain popular singers that got upset and some hard truths. Some singers like to 'show off' to get praise but ultimately are not singing in their true voice or use gimmicks like whistle register and have to now lipsync their concerts therefore damaging their legacy and reputation.

[@The_Truth-]

What you said is the exact kryptonite that a certain fan base cannot handle. They think everyone else should be living in the land of delusion like them as if we don't see clear as day what's really going on.

[@iantuition]

I swear the pitch of the laugh I just let out might have me lipsyncing soon

[@iammesmerized]

Like what Mariah said, "Imma do the best i can with what i got!" She gave it all despite the risk. Thank you, Mariah ❤

[@robertestevesdesousa3748]

She's an incredible communicator

[@DJCyclops-jo3cs]

Milik’s voice is EVERYTHING. So mellow and resonant.

[@tylerhackner9731]

I noticed a lot of lambs were upset with your previous vid and as a lamb myself, lemme just say I do appreciate your analysis

[@aera6413]

Forgive me, but i must ask, what is a "lamb" in the context you're using it in?

[@BlackMusicArchive]

Miss Carey belongs to a group of artists considered beyond reproach, so the reaction was expected though the video wasn't about her. I agree that my phrasing "she's not doing much of anything anymore" could have been more tactful. Nevertheless, given the substantial time and money invested in each video I create, I would never dedicate that effort to discrediting and tearing down any artist.

[@mariahhouston683]

I am apart of Mariah’s fan base too (lambs) and Im really a super fan not the delusional one tho lol. I think what most fans got upset with is the comment Mariah can’t do much with her voice anymore. It wasn’t the video or content lol

[@Teletubbo89]

It sounded a little shady. But i didn't mind it. It was just a comment. The video was amazing!

[@clearly_james7282]

@@BlackMusicArchiveyou should’ve added videos of mariah hitting high g’s and going into the 7th octave into this video just for perspective bcs while the tone of her whistles changed she still has immense freedom in that register

[@Jerel_con_jota]

To be fair, I think that she is talking about having a good, healthy and sustainable technique for anyone who hopes to have a long career as a vocalist, no matter what style of music they sing.

[@vocalbooth8585]

The information and explanation on PASSAGIO that she gives is absolutely amazing. ‘People want it to FEEL a certain way’ is so accurate. What people want things to feel like stops them from singing freely through the bridges

[@smurf902]

It's so true. I sat down with this full lyric soprano and did a mock lesson, having studied with my teacher a few years who really focuses on singing through the passaggio on top (D5 through F5 basically) and she felt so uncomfortable but afterwards she texted me like no one ever did that before and she felt more free afterwards.

[@nycp1969]

Isola Jones must be a magnificent teacher. I have no background in the technical aspects of music and I understood and was riveted by everything she said.

[@shantiaelise]

The best!! I'm proud to have been a student of hers, a legend and a gem!

[@smurf902]

This confirms everything my teacher who is a voice therapist has said about that whistle thing and M.C. thank u Ms Jones

[@beniellebennie9990]

I love Dr. Isola's wisdom and knowledge also never felt so bad for a mosquito in my life😂

[@joshuah7417]

This saved my voice thank you!

[@dbd254]

Same here and I need to tell my little cousins to STOP.

[@dakaraiwilliams]

Milik is a gentle and calm spirit that is full of love and compassion… I see u 👑 keep your heart open and fly 🦋🕊️🦅

[@LittleMissDisney]

I can’t get enough of her

[@abrahamjean8176]

I absolutely loved this. Miss Isola is a great speaker and I actually understood exactly what she meant in her explanations.

[@airi75089]

A VERY necessary video. She is SO SO spectacular as both a singer and an educator. I think there is room to be had for discussion about what constitutes as "style" in modern pop music, because some things are indeed artistic expression and should be respected as such, but on the other side of it, much of what has become the style of modern mainstream music vocally speaking has developed out of a LACK of care for the voice. As someone who has studied voice since youth, it was refreshing to hear someone of her stature speak publicly about mainstream vocalization in this manner, because i feel many within the classical field who come to places like youtube try not to say anything to offend, but she didn't parse her words at all which was so great. Singers like Mariah had a great voice, but from a technical standpoint she has always had glaring issues with her technique even since her debut-daydream era (that many hail as her best era). We have seen time and time again singers who dont care for their voice or proper technique have had to pay the price especially now that the greats of the by-gone era are in older-age. I think its time for people to start being honest about vocals and vocal technique without focusing on the deified images of these mainstream singers. It was great that you showed the Mado Robin clip as well, because yes you indeed CAN sing that high properly most people just don't and can't, so they shouldn't (which i think was her main point). I feel once people have better examples and we can start focusing on the issues with mainstream vocalists, we can achieve a higher level of vocal technique even in genres outside of classical, but with the instant gratification culture that we have now, I don't know if we'll see that anytime soon, unfortunately lol.

[@FoxyGrandpa]

Worth noting that Natalie Dessay has had 2 vocal surgeries, not "at least 4." Great video!

[@BlackMusicArchive]

I've been watching your channel for years! I discovered Dessay through you ❤️

[@Areyouserious9882]

And I would argue that her vocal troubles came from singing roles that were too heavy for her, specifically Lucie de Lammermoor. To me it sounds like she was really throwing her voice around at that time, trying to make a much heavier sound in her upper middle voice. Then once she lost some of her highest notes, she ventured into heavier rep, making the problem even worse. I wonder what would have happened with her voice if she hadn’t tried to sing so heavily.

[@danclarkcastillo7178]

@@Areyouserious9882 Which is why classical singers need to know, understand, and work with their voice types. Light sopranos are supposed to sing like light sopranos and shouldn't attempt to sing over an orchestra arranged for dramatic sopranos. Mezzos shouldn't train as sopranos. Heavy sopranos shouldn't try to lighten their voices and take roles for lyric sopranos. Doing so will damage their voices.

[@jenniferhiemstra5228]

@@Areyouserious9882 I don’t think Lucia was too heavy for her..I think she just seemed to attack everything without much nuance. It was all heavy attacks and not much else. I have a similarly light voice to hers and do a lot of Lucia’s material pretty easily because it’s fits my tessitura really well, but also I have to play it smart when phrasing it out and dynamics too, because it’s a decently long role to get through. As long as lighter voices know how to play the long game, they can absolutely can sing more robust material. I’m NOT saying I’m gonna be doing Wagner or similar material that’s very clearly meant for more heavier/dramatic voices, but there’s a middle ground that can be found if you’re smart.

[@SirDave]

Maybe that's why Chante's belting register has always been so scratchy (at least to me). I've always viewed her belting to be her weakest, but her lows and mids (no higher than C5) being strongest register

[@dayzour123]

I would have loved her take on lacressha Campbell operatic gospel style singing. She was definitely gifted with those notes.

[@kreole7376]

I need her as my vocal coach yesterday!

[@jaradaniels9289]

She speaks so much truth. She's an amazing singer. To get a conversation with her teaching us is awesome.

[@AC-kl8gi]

Mr. Kashad, this intellectual conversation of voice is a dream come true for me. The breakdown of vocal technique is invaluable. Thank you so very much for this.

[@sergiomartin4219]

Your original video was great, I hope you can put it back on the channel. As somebody who primarily listens to opera but also loves Mariah Carey's music, I think your analysis was very on point. Mariah's fans get very offended when her vocal problems are mentioned, which is sad, delusional, and childish. The objective truth of her vocal decline is there, and that is okay. That doesn't diminish how good she used to sound in her prime, or how amazing her vocal abilities used to be. Maria Callas, crowned by many as the best opera singer of the past century, also had a vocal decline for whichever reasons. That didn't make her any less important or worthy. I had always loved Isola's voice since I heard her in the Rigoletto quartet alongside the great Sutherland/Pavarotti/Nucci. She is an ideal Maddalena, for sure check that up in KZbin. Her eloquent and insightful talk on technique just confirms how amazing of a singer she is!

[@richardcorona3564]

Absolutely love this level of analysis and discussion!!!!!

[@SirDave]

I wish you mentioned Betty Wright. Her voice is very full up there, it's not pinchy, and it doesn't seem like a lot of tension. I remember one performance she's sang an E7, sustained, and it sounded pretty resonant to me.

[@afrolatino89]

Exactly 💯 💯 💯

[@SirDave]

I also remember that episode of making the band, where she was trying to teach I think her name was Sarah, how to do whistle register. And I swear it was all connected. The clip is still here on KZbin. Betty Wright was incredible ​@@afrolatino89

[@danclarkcastillo7178]

Please! Let's be honest here. Betty Wright is a terrible example of a vocalist here. Her middle voice is shot, and she works around her damaged middle voice by hollering through her C5, D5, or F5. And if her hoarse middle voice isn't enough, she'll grace you with her weak, squeaky head voice, which she doesn't use that much anyway because she'll just flip to her grating whistle notes.

[@musicislyfe1672]

This information is soooo valuable

[@joncerda351]

My favorite was the analysis of Christina Aguilera 😂

[@milangabor381]

Yes, is this still there? I think it was deleted right?

[@realfan375]

@@milangabor381 why?

[@domanicklucious9996]

Where is that?

[@sm00thsubz81]

Oh he read her so baddd

[@xAgirlfriend]

Not funny

[@user-pd9fe1vx3i]

Love the way she speaks.

[@darkfeather6857]

Thank you both for your expertise and this fascinating conversation. I know nothing about music, but not one second of this talk bored me. KZbin is such a gift!

[@Gisaround]

the effort you put into this channel is honestly so inspiring

[@jayocean4724]

Dr. Jones spoke truth to power about the whistle register. It is what is is from a factual basis. This isn't an attack on anyone. High notes alone doesn't make someone a good singer. Theres so much more that makes one well balanced. How is your tone and vibrato? Where is your tessitura? Is the voice sturdy and technically sound?

[@whoevr]

NOOO why did you archive the other video plssss upload it back 🥺 ugh i knew it was cause of those insufferable lambs 😭😭

[@nancydrew5]

Sarah Vaughan epitomized great singing technique.

[@nancydrew5]

Madam Isola Jones and the late great tenor Luciano Pavarotti in 1981's Rigoletto was simply divine. The chemistry between those two! 😮 I have to wonder if it was as real offstage as on.

[@TGSHomeandGarden]

Ms. Jones just BLEW my mind! She needs to teach a master class. Her calling what Mariah and Chante do a "trick" finally puts a perfect description of what I've always thought, but could never articulate.

[@kylerayner3102]

I LOVE these talks!!! So INCREDIBLY informative!!! This helps us to understand so MUCH about technique & skill. ❤️❤️❤️

[@CPenner9]

I’m sad to see you deleted the dangers of extreme singing video. I thought it was incredibly well done. (And the Stans livestream is gone too I didn’t get to watch that 😢) I really hope it wasn’t because of receiving hate. You should speak your mind, especially when it’s well researched and well argued, regardless of if fans don’t like it. Pop singers are not perfect (duhh) and people need to get over that already. Really it shouldn’t even be controversial. Everyone knows one of core tenets of singing is the control of air. Overuse of / pushing of too much air is like wildfire for the vocal folds, it dries them out, they lose elasticity over time, etc. With most pop singers using this register you can hear how much air is going/being pushed through, sounds like there’s a lack of proper cord closure and support and it’s disconnected (ie probably not healthy/sustainable).

[@PhatCallas-kt3rk]

YES, Dr. Jones

[@stacistaci6657]

I'm late here. Thank you for this BMA and Ms Jones! Very informative and interesting topic! I learned a lot. Mariah is a very interesting case study. She was doing a lot with her vocal chords with the whistle register and falsetto for recognition and records played, etc.. It kinda reminds me of Wilhelmenia Wiggins Fernandez' character in the movie Diva where she emphasized how business should adapt to art, not the other way around. Looking forward to more commentary from you both!

[@bafbaas1210]

To me i feel like the beauty of non-classical singing is that there are ways of playing with the voice that aren't restricted to "good" or "healthy" technique, but what she is saying is a fact. A whistle register from the throat like Mariah's is not healthy, and though Chante it kinda proves that i won't always fully destroy the voice but with Mariah is does show it can. I think Mariah's personal relationship to her voice and her strained relationship with her operatic mother, i think she felt sorta slighted then and wanted to divorce herself from any restriction or critique of her vocals. It's sad because imagine if she had gotten more training, with her natural talent she would have truly been unstoppable.

[@afrolatino89]

Nope, it wouldn't be the same Mariah Carey we grew to love.

[@taylorjoe]

Thank you so so much for these conversations, exposing us to so many brilliant legends and their incredibly valuable teachings! This was so insightful!❤❤❤

[@melfhlzahlpd]

Interesting video. I rewatched several portions multiple times

[@boywithaglassheart]

I would love to hear her opinion on us male singers that have the ability to whistle. I would also love to hear different vocal coaches opinions on this topic as well. Especially coaches like Dileesa Hunter and Eric Areceneaux.

[@LaverneCox3000]

Thank you. This is everything!

[@user-of4kk4in9f]

I absolutely agree. As a rare and true contralto the middle voice is very weak, pathetically so. But, when trained, the smooth middle can CARRY all the upper notes, and the rich bottom notes remain full. Hate Eb4 to F#4 SO much but it really is the key to everything 😅😅😅

[@nancydrew5]

Last Opera Singer is Mado Robin and Also Natalia Dessay Very light French coloratura sopranos

[@bskeete]

Great video!!! Learned so much. Thank you.

[@kylerayner3102]

…also…I would love to hear Isola’s opinion on Ariana Grande’s whistle ability, vocal tone, range & technique

[@PeachesChrenko]

This is Awesome info and I agree with it!! Love it thank you 🙂

[@GabiBrooks]

Totally agree with Isola. I would loove to see her opinion on the best metal singers like Mike Patton, Floor Jansen, Devin Townsend or even people who do the more extreme forms of vocalization like Will Ramos. The metal scene really used that imagination aspect she's talking about and moved the vocal possibilities in a whole new direction.

[@TEW-pp9vb]

Minnie, Whitney, Mariah, Pattie, Celine, and gospel singer Lacresia Campbell all come to mind when I think of a very high register

[@ChagoWilson]

Minnie Riperton, Lisa Fischer, Chante Moore, Betty Wright, and Mariah Carey are the top 5 whistle register singers. Patti and Celine don't get up to the whistle register.

[@nutinman4u]

Patti is the only dramatic soprano in the group of mezzo soprano

[@monttylabelle5126]

Just found this video.. i love her.

[@weslleyfrancisco8616]

Could you do a video on Natalie Dessay's voice? I've heard a lot of stories about it

[@FermiBubbleGummyBear]

Also a lamb here and while I understand some of the comments that were more constructive concerning the Mariah comment, admittedly it felt a bit harsh; HOWEVER, given that I don't watch your videos in a vacuum and I've seen your previous Mariah videos, I know with certainly it wasn't done with malice. As a fan of singing in general, I can imagine that your comment was largely from disappointment for someone as talented as Mariah to have their gift eroded by an ability that may have well contributed to the unnecessary degradation of her voice. And as Dr. Isola Jones put succinctly, they must feel incredibly depressed and saddened when you were capable of so much but no longer have access to that level of fluidity and expression. As a fan of Mariah the artist, despite her vocal state - which is none of my business how she monitors her health - I'm grateful for everything she's given us and everything she put into her music and will never admonish her for baring her soul in ways that helped so many to heal. But this has educational value for those who want to understand the voice and want to understand the consequences of replicating other singers without the proper education.

[@The_Truth-]

The truth is not going to spar anyone. Everything that was stated is a fact.

[@user-eq9mf4zt3z]

​@@The_Truth- but that doesn't mean the truth cant be inspired by malice, that "she cant do much anymore" was malicious

[@The_Truth-]

@@user-eq9mf4zt3z Except it wasn’t malice, some people just don’t like the way he said. But if you stink, you stink.

[@peterjonesdelacruz]

Everyone who wants to whistle like Mariah should pay attention to this video. The whistle voice is more often than not damaging to the vocal folds. Just like what Isola Jones says (or at least what I think she says), the human voice is not designed to vibrate at such high frequencies. People who do this usually have "holes" in their upper register. That's just the start. I know people who love whistling because doing so makes them feel awesome. But they can't access their falsetto. Or their voices flip an octave or two when they try to belt.

[@Sttephy30]

Many people that whistle can access their falsetto, chest and other registers. Chante Moore is a prime example. Mariah’s voice was just fragile and her lifestyle was a lot. Many whistle singers have good voices for the most part tho.

[@peterjonesdelacruz]

@@Sttephy30 I didn't say whistle singers can't access other registers of their voices. I also didn't say they necessarily don't have good voices.

[@peterjonesdelacruz]

@@Sttephy30 well, a lot of them will eventually develop holes or gaps in their voices unless they stop abusing their voices. Majority of them have connected voices? Hmmm maybe. For now.

[@Zai02-gk4dm]

​@Sttephy30 nah not really from what I've seen from chante she has very decent belting.I dont think she can belt high and then directly hit a high C using headvoice,for most of the singers I knew including her that using whistle doesn't really have a good headvoice or they are almost none Existing,that's what maybe he meant by having a hole in the voice.The whistling thing making chante disconnected from her chest voice to her headvoice.You need to put into account that Mariah is famous and have been gone to tour after tour for her entire life if chante is famous and been singing countless tour after tour I bet she will having the same situation like mariah after whistling years after years.

[@peterjonesdelacruz]

@@Sttephy30 then good for her. again, I didn't not make a blanket statement that ALL whistlers will run into problems, so your gripes are misplaced. There are always conditions and exceptions. That's why I didn't say that the whistle voice is ALWAYS damaging, but more often than not, it is. Chante Moore probably doesn't use her whistle voice as extensively as Mariah does and doesn't tour as much as Mariah does. I don't listen to her, so I don't know. Again, if it works for her, then good for her. But just because Chante Moore can do it, doesn't mean every other person who can whistle should do it too every chance they get.

[@victorrodrigueesoficial]

I really like Miss Isola; she's very professional and truly a remarkable singer. However, when she said that whistles don't have vibrato, she seems to be unaware of Mariah Carey, Minnie Riperton, or Chante Moore's use of the whistle register. Mariah, for instance, has many examples where she uses vibrato in her whistle notes.

[@Sttephy30]

She’s a strict, operatic woman. Very old school. They think most extreme and or hard singing, that’s not done w classical technique, is bad singing. I’d love to hear her thoughts on squallers, grunter or extreme over singers in gospel.

[@victorrodrigueesoficial]

@@Sttephy30 Yep. It would be really interesting if Malik could interview Chante, Rachelle or even Shanice Wilson, Debelah Morgan. I would love for him to interview Debelah Morgan and she actually uses Head voice instead of whistle.

[@TheAshumms]

I think it’s also the “type” of vibrato. Strictly speaking whistle register doesn’t/can’t have a laryngeal vibrato (we/they think - it’s still kind of up in the air because it’s not fully known how whistle really works) but you potentially can get a vibrato on whistle register by making slight fluctuations in breath pressure. So it’s not exactly wrong to say there’s no vibrato in whistle but it’s also not not wrong. 😂

[@BlackMusicArchive]

Isola also mentions that some women can take the head voice up to double high C (C7), which means for some women whistle would begin there, you will be very hard-pressed to find anyone singing in the 7th octave with vibrato Minnie Riperton and Mariah Carey included.

[@victorrodrigueesoficial]

​@@BlackMusicArchive There are a few examples of using vibrato in the 7th octave, like when Mado Robin hit her D7 (the highest note she ever recorded) or Maria Remola (who also has a D7 somewhere here, and I still think her highest notes are somewhat "better" than Dessay's, even though I prefer Natalie's tone and quality). Also: for Mariah, you have "You're So Cold," "Emotions" (same example you showed), "Bringing on the Heartbreak," "I Wish You Knew," and a few more. If you mean actual laryngeal vibrato, that would be a little hard, but it's still vibrato. Also we have Yma Sumac in "Chuncho". That was pure vibrato and kind didn't sound like a whistle, even though it was very bird like.

[@Saysonow]

Even though the damage was evident from circa 1997, if her lambs had pleaded with her to take a break from whistling so much between 2005 and 2010, it's possible she would not be on stage today operating like a waxed doll as she manoeuvres her fragile voice to sync with her pre-recorded tracks. Instead, her lambs dragged me through the streets for pointing out that her technique was incorrect, and her whistles were a vocal trick. I love Mariah's music, and most of my favs are ones without any whistles. So any of her lambs who upset about Isola's constructive criticism only appreciate Mariah for the party tricks because Mariah is more than her whistles.

[@Saysonow]

@@TheArtofBeingReacts The focus of the video was to make a distinction between the whistling techniques and to show that it can be damaging to one's voice if not done correctly. BMA has done other videos showcasing Mariah's superb vocalizing, so this was not a hit piece. The fact of the matter is that as enchanting as her whistle notes are, they are not supported. Hence, the reason she developed nodules. Mariah still can sing and can go into the studio and give us new music. But her voice is not strong like the 90s. So she cannot do a 50 minutes live show without the aid of playbacks and partial lip-syncing. Chante Moore uses a similar technique like Mariah, but unlike Mariah, Chante never whistled much in her 20s and 30s. She started doing a lot of whistling over the last 10 or so years, that means she started indulging in her mid 40s.

[@jubilex7119]

The difference is just technique squeeze vocal chords for whistle instead of actually engaging the whole system to support that area

[@user-nn7ze2yy2w]

Hello! could you make a video explanation of Ms. Patti LaBelle's voice? Pls, sir.

[@dagatl]

Check out gospel singer Lecresia Campbell. She can modulate back and forth from chest to head voice to whistle.

[@teegee7801]

One thing I learned is that the voice MUST HAVE resonance!!!

[@darthsand485]

2:19 …the four registers lived together in harmony, then everything changed when Christina Ag….

[@shawnmcdonald9690]

I wish she would become a vocal coach and teach these folks how to sing properly .

[@rihannaimvu8834]

I always worked on mixed voice…I’ve been singing for 2 years

[@BiDiO]

OT: It’s far away from whistle notes, but I love YOUR baritone tone! 😆

[@kylerayner3102]

Talking about being able to ascend & descend properly, please look at Debelah Morgan’s technique and skills…she was a LEGEND at doing that. It would be really interesting to hear Isola’s opinion on that…🙏🏻

[@alterdei]

Amazing interview. 😊

[@ToadyMcgee]

Thank you for doing what you do

[@mistermilkman]

Gr8 video. Can't wait 4 the next 1.

[@danclarkcastillo7178]

gabriel henrique should watch this video, and maybe dimash too.

[@rosequartz122]

Why there isn' t the previous video 😢?

[@scarletmuse70]

Can you do a video on Tweet, The Southern Hummingbird? Her voice is amazing!

[@parksantiago3511]

People will always get offended when they make something their whole reason of even breathing in this world. Sometimes it's a valid reason, sometimes it's because someone said the truth about their celebs, which is... Eh? I'm a Mariah fan, but I'm sure your comments and insights had no malicious intentions and it's pretty much what happened, so don't mind if some delulus come to harass you.

[@user-gn6zv2bo8h]

Great videos 💯. Thank you for taking the time 🎉. Who's lady singing in the last clip?

[@danclarkcastillo7178]

Everyone had better pay attention to that lady at 32:00. The register break between C5 and C6 suggests bad technique, and that unintentional flip from C6 to C7 suggests vocal damage. The same involuntary octave flips happen to Mariah and Chante Moore. I hear the same thing from whistle exhibitionists. When done long enough, such unhealthy ventures to those notes create irreversible vocal damage.

[@Vank4o]

Since Céline Dion went public with her debilitating condition( it broke my heart), do you perhaps have something in your production pipeline or could you make a video about her voice? Your content is fascinating!

[@chandiggy]

I love the technical information about singing. Thanks. Great interview.

[@teegee7801]

Also, concerning Mariah's vocal decline I think her making her voice brighter than what it is also may have caused tension along with whistle. Are there dangers to brightening the voice when it is not the true color?

[@joshuaharris3437]

Great video!! I learnt so much. I have a question though... Does that mean that no man could have a voice that naturally is able to sing whistle notes? Because it was mentioned not many women can actually sing in whistle register.

[@teegee7801]

Also surprised you left out Erna Sack for good examples of whistle. Why not also add gospel singers?

[@mistermilkman]

Minnie n the thumbnail with no talk on Minnie n this particular video...😔 I would've loved 2 hear her thoughts on Minnie & her use, esp from "Petal Pushers" to "Yesterday & Karma," "Ruby Tuesday Live," & a few others. While I always loved MC, her notes never sounded connected 2 me. Impressive nonetheless.

[@girlbrittneygirl]

Say what you want to say ,but Aaliyah, Sade, JLO, Brandy, Janet Jackson, among others still had their voices. Aaliyah what’ve still had her voice as she gotten older.

[@kele2us]

They stay in their lane

[@instasingingvids3529]

I love Mariah. But now it makes sense why she has nodules and her upper belts are almost nonexistent today.

[@gaylefranklin]

Have you any interest in the mechanics of Prince’s voice? I am fascinated by his use of head voice

[@whoevr]

17:07 OOP THE SHADEEEE

[@pianoman2892]

I'll be the first to state the Ms. Jones is making some great points here. However, I don't particularly care for some of her word choices, specifically singers who's technique with which she doesn't agree. She's a professional, and I think she should consider how she speaks on/of other singers. Society already puts black female singers against each other. We shouldn't perpetuate that. Again, she has made some great points, and I greatly them. appreciate

[@arriek.1375]

even with ariana grande, all those whistle notes messed up her voice. she had to learn to sing those notes as a head voice extension instead of a disconnected whistle.

[@teegee7801]

Great stuff but it would have been great to give her examples of good head voice to hear her critique.

[@BlackMusicArchive]

Hi, that's a separate video.

[@Leamichellefan2244]

I agree with everything she said, but when she said just because you can do something does it and you should do it she’s not wrong. She’s not wrong because like she said Natalie to say she can’t sing the way she used to Mariah Carey. I don’t mean to be rude or wicked, but she’s lucky she has a voice left at all And again I’m not saying any of these things to be hateful.

[@ikexbankai]

At some point Mariah Carey will actually die. And at the point it won’t matter how much voice she did or didn’t have left. But what will live on is the art/recordings she made with her voice. The ways she used her imagination to produce songwriting and the vocal performances to deliver the written lyrics. That will be there forever

[@prenda2086]

What’s the correct spelling of the singer’s name in the last clip?

[@BlackMusicArchive]

Mado Robin

[@fareedg6703]

I appreciate this level of analysis. However, I think about the art that would not have been created or imagined if art was limited to such strict boundaries.

[@MarceleJones]

I think the point is there won’t be any boundaries to step out of because they just simple won’t have a voice to sing with at all 😭 or at least a struggling one. The boundaries are there to KEEP your voice, no one said you can’t be limitless, instead just be CAUTIOUS and use that in MODERATION. You can still be creative. 🩷

[@kele2us]

What about the young people who follow the same path ruining their voices before it really could shine. When I hear Mariah I don’t get the same feelings that I feel when Whitney or Patti are singing. Something is missing,her voice doesn’t sound free. Even when people point to her best work it’s nice but not free. The teacher on this video did a great job explaining the problem.

[@Empyrean.127]

Would that art never exist or be imagined? Or would that art come later down the line? The voice has natural limits that over time, and with good technique and practice, can be stretched. Those strict boundaries are the body’s response saying, “Hey, that’s enough, please stop.” If the creative process is damaging the artist, there’s a problem.

[@ikexbankai]

I agree! I would rather have song Emotions than Mariah not doing it to “save” her voice. When in reality she was never going to be sitting at the top of the charts at 55 years old like she was when she was 25. And the art she gave us lives on FOREVER even when Mariah the actual person dies those performances and what she IMAGINED AND THUS DID WITH HER VOICE WILL LIVE ON! With that being said I also she was a little bit more healthy

[@BelAge]

With all due respect, Someone needs to tell this lady that Chante Moore is 57 years old and her voice is still intact. Obviously singing whistle tones did not damage it. That being said, i really appreciated her insight.

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

Yet her mid and belt are harsh sounding.

[@musicloveranthony]

Her voice does have damage to it, though. It has rasp and air throughout the middle register - especially the upper part

[@tylermills4812]

Chanté’s voice is far from intact.

[@user-ft5mg5ot6p]

Her belts aren't that strong

[@reginabellestar]

G6 Mozart Popoli di Tessaglia

[@BlackMusicArchive]

“Popoli” is a concert aria, not an opera, but yes, a high G (G6) is written.

[@naturalnationreadthefinepr4187]

However, the authors, using a computer model to simulate the highest pitches, found that singers can only produce their highest frequencies with a greatly increased tension in the vocal folds, supported by high expiratory air pressures. The authors write 'the commonly used term 'whistle register' does not reflect the physical principle of a whistle with regard to voice generation in high pitched classical singing'. Professor Herbst added: 'This finally debunks a long-standing myth,' adding, 'it is remarkable that such extreme sounds can be produced with a rather common voice production mechanism - this is only possible with outstanding muscular fine-control of the singers' vocal instrument.' Lead author Matthias Echternach added that it is still not clear why only some sopranos can get to the highest frequency notes. He said: 'It is truly amazing how some female singers can generate the extremely high tensions in their vocal folds that are required to produce these high-pitched sounds without incurring any vocal health issues.

[@BlackMusicArchive]

The Echternach study is centered around the "Queen of The Night" aria which Miss Jones references at various points in the interview. The Echternach study also concludes with the statement, "Why some singers succeed while others don’t must remain open for now," Which echoes Miss Jones's statement at 3:40 about the rarity of women who possess the ability to sing these pitches as part of their natural registration. The vocal cord adduction examples used in the Echternach study, are indicative of what Isola calls a "full-throated sound" when referring to classical singers such as Sutherland, Dessay, and Robin mentioned in the video. Depending on context, people will refer to notes above certain pitches as "whistle register." Echternach's study in essence details the difference in how a classical singer (his test subjects ) produces these tones in contrast to a pop singer, which is why the study is titled, "The Queen of The Night Does Not Whistle." The pitches are the same but the mechanics are different as his study has shown and as further supported by Dr. Jones' insights. Thanks for watching.

[@sophisitcated1194]

Bravo again and thanks for sharing this Milik. kzbin.info1XmhNKIgVrs?si=K1oCY3UzEnKmJWmT The link above is Mariah singing Circles in promotion to her Vegas residency (Im sure you seen it so you dont have to watch if youve already seen it). Before i respond to a lamb on another post, I just wanted to triple check that the descend from C6 to E5 is in fact whistle register? They said she blended her voice from whistle at D6 into head voice at E5, but i believe she did as you said Chante does, sung whistle where head voice shouldve been. Is this correct Ms Milik?

[@BlackMusicArchive]

The link doesn't work.

[@sophisitcated1194]

@@BlackMusicArchive So sorry. Copy and paste these words and it's the 1st short with her singing circles with black jacket. She's doing it Acapella. circles mariah carey live 2024

[@sophisitcated1194]

​@@BlackMusicArchive kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2WYqZVuerRoi80si=JkdQRKYtv_hIg-tB If this link doesn't work please type (or copy and paste ) Mariah Carey circles 2024 live She's wearing black jacket and singing it Acapella.

[@sophisitcated1194]

She's on stage, wearing a white shirt with a guy playing piano and guitar player assisting her if that helps.

[@Leamichellefan2244]

Do you know what’s really interesting and I hope the lovely creator of this channel won’t mind me bringing this up is that take the ladies who performed the role of Christine Daye in the phantom of the opera? That is an extremely high color Taurus soprano role now take the title song at the very end, Christine must sing an extremely high E6. I did some reading about all of these ladies, and that note is so difficult the majority of the ladies who play this part will pre-record it and they will lip sync to that particular song because no matter how good they are, they know that trying to sing that note 8 times a week is gonna hurt you it’s gonna hurt you, don’t know solution is a good solution or bad solution. Let me know. I just think it’s interesting but then you have and I’m not trying to hate. I’m not trying to hate, but then you have Mariah Carey Ariana Grande and goodness only knows who else who constantly try to do this whistle register that as I said, in another comment and another one of your lovely videos, I do not care for it because it sounds manufactured and quite frankly irritating, if there’s anything I have said that you issue, please let me know. The only reason I pointed out the Christine stuff is because I thought it was interesting.