Ilya Ilyin - The Best Cleaner of Our Generation

[@WeightliftingHouse]

Join the team and clean like Ilya (code twoweektrial) weightlifting.ai/

[@TheSilversimon]

I still think Moradi CJ 240 as a 94 is more impressive than Ilya CJ 246 as a 105

[@TheSilversimon]

Also, Id love to see Tian clean 246, i bet he could do it with relative ease haha

[@josephfeliciano6415]

@@TheSilversimon top 3 cleaners no doubt

[@josephfeliciano6415]

@@TheSilversimon moradi's 205kg snatch though 🥶🤯🔥

[@arpussupra]

Always happy for a Ilya video but I think there's an opportunity missed for talking about his impeccable timing in receiving the bar and making the most out of the bounce. There are some cleans where he barely gets any height in the pull and still manages to catch the bounce perfectly. He only needs a few centimeters of ROM for it.

[@WeightliftingHouse]

That’s a brilliant point. We spoke about that off air but should have mentioned it. His timing in the bounce is phenomenal!

[@Aakash.Singh1]

I think Tian Tao could also be considered one of the best cleaners of our time

[@trtnec]

From a purely technical perspective, Tian's bar path off the floor is objectively better than Ilya's. Besides that it's mostly individual differences between the two. Ultimately Ilya lifted more sinclair-wise, though sinclair obviously includes the jerk, and also comparing sinclair between eras doesn't make that much sense. Therefore it's pretty hard to say who's a better cleaner and splitting hairs at that point.

[@chrisgeorge84]

@@trtnec I would argue ilyas bar bath off the floor is better and through to the hips. Anywho good day and good night.

[@trtnec]

@@chrisgeorge84 that’s interesting. I’m not sure what you consider a better bar path, but Ilya’s goes slightly outward then back in, while Tian’s comes immediately inward. The latter is objectively more efficient from a standpoint of force needed to complete the lift.

[@emsgaming6191]

Thats exactly what I was thinking when I read the title

[@chrisgeorge84]

@@trtnec outward? Are you talking about the bit where the bar slightly rolls forward as Ilya is dropping his hips to pull off the floor? Cuz once the bar is off the floor there is no forward movement for Ilya. Also tian starts near vertical which I think gives the illusion that his bar is coming in more dramatically

[@JinnDante]

I just wish he had no spine injury and go beast mode like in 2014 given that he had no injuries. You can see that even in the jerks he made he was unstable and shaky in his torso area. Also the fact that he got retroactively popped was so shit and imagine how he felt. Giving everything in his life just to get his medal revoked and it is not like everyone else was clean. This sport can be loved and hated at the same time. For me Ilya is the best period. There will be no one like him again. He was and is something special.

[@andrew98115wl]

It's hilarious listening to people seriously analysing Ilya's body type and technique while at the same time a video clip in the background is playing of him dancing around and generally arsing about while casually pow cleaning 190! 😁

[@juancruiz007]

Fear = everything. Fear within his mindset makes him work harder and that much more better. I feel wishing someone good luck isn’t a mind game with Ilyin because the only person he is competing with is with himself.

[@jacobusveeger5641]

Love these type of videos! You should keep them coming with other athletes!

[@tcgtpl]

I was going to say either Consuela or Leon were the best cleaners, but then I realized you were talking about weightlifting.

[@CalebMcFadden]

💀

[@gabriellalchungnunga7255]

"Noo noo" - Consuela

[@ix_9_ix]

At 105kg he totaled 437, the current WR for 109kg is 435. Crazy

[@the0v0man]

I’ve missed listening to Seb! This is a great commentary

[@genova8148]

Tian Tao: I took this title personally.

[@conan-thelastbarbender]

That's what I thought too

[@kaliningradtoczechrepublic8162]

not trying to hate, but Ilya is better

[@tychobrahe6379]

@@kaliningradtoczechrepublic8162 236 at 96 vs 246 at 105, it's really hard to say. I think they're on par with eachother.

[@WeightliftingHouse]

Maybe we need a Tian video?

[@pannonianfit1582]

@@WeightliftingHouse aukhadov power jerk??

[@eloiishya]

We need an Andrei Aramnua video, as both him and Ilyin are similar. Aramnua has the a phenomenal snatch Ilyin with his out of the world C&J

[@eloiishya]

@J. Luper the way he utilized the clean to jerk transition is actually better than Ilyin. Overall he was a more complete Olympic lifter than Ilyin ever could be. His 200/236 2008 Olympic performance is still superior than any comp Ilyin ever put together.

[@eloiishya]

@J. Luper I know exactly what you mean WH Seb mentioned in a video about Aramnau snatching up to 190kg in training hall 2029 WWC. it's interesting for anyone else reading this comment. In an interview Klokov recalled that after everyone else took their attempts in the snatch Aramnau was still doing his warm up-and-coming for first attempt at 193kg. And it's hilarious everyone knew they would be fighting for 2nd place. It's too bad Aramnau had some problems "off the field" so to speak which ultimately didn't help his injuries which took him out for so long. Could you imagine Aramnau at 2014 Kazakhstan Almaty? Duking it out with the rest of the 105kg class!!!

[@eloiishya]

@haneefm7020 iliya said he took breaks. 2014 he had a work capacity comeback, then followed by "juiced to the gills" phase

[@eloiishya]

@haneefm7020 so long story short andrei was beyond over worked and had tons of injuries that were too diabilating from what I recall. So although ilyia took breaks he was still consistent over the years and was unbeaten until 2019 Worlds

[@09thespecialone]

Aramnau was stronger and more talented in reality. He’s the most talented weightlifter I’ve ever seen. His masterpiece at Beijing 08 OG is still the biggest weightlifting performance of the 21st century. Unlike Ilyn he was stronger on the snatch and on the jerk. Not just a clean and jerk specialist with a weaker snatch like Ilyn.

[@ryder6070]

Arm and Hammer - Best cleaner of our generation.

[@hiramatangi1736]

These videos are pure gold

[@ivanmarasmiladinov3093]

He never lost or doubted he will win until he came back from the ban. Here, I am doubting every set. This made me realise I'm missing way too many lifts in training

[@deanwitt7903]

Missing way to many lifts through doubt maybe because your attempting to many heavy lifts before you have your head around the weight . It’s beating you mentally and then beating you physically . I know when I was missing to many lifts in training it was because I wasn’t spending enough time building up to those lifts and working for long enough at percentages etc .Olympic lifting is a slow journey . If you were bodybuilding then diet and nutrition is a science but with Olympic lifting the science is in the training and how you get to those successful maximum lifts and how you get there on time for competition day .Olympic weightlifting truly is poetry in motion . Enjoy your lifting 😊

[@AnthonyGarcia-sy3yk]

I really like this series, my favorite so far ..

[@LBNMKRS]

Bodytype: Fridge 😅

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

I see Ilya, I click

[@MG-uk9ry]

That just hyped me up so much! #legstrengthofthegods

[@georgecarder4695]

I see Ilya. I hit like.

[@418cjpaul]

very good video!!

[@michaelyoon9355]

I agree. A clean and jerk is nothing like a heavy squat or deadlift. If there is any doubt in the mind, the lift cannot be executed properly.

[@DMS1010]

#4, what are the best PEDS

[@ranma763]

Oh fuck yeah, an Ilya video I'm in

[@OLV_Music]

Just in time for coffee, lads! 🤙

[@gustavhviid4673]

Pissed I haven’t been considered as the best. I’m 189 cm, weigh 68 kilo and atm clean 55 kilo. That’s pretty good.

[@BenButler50]

Ilya sure might have a clean clean, but he’s definitely not clean when he cleans.

[@marledanimefan7186]

Good pun ! Nobody is clean in the olimpic medalist level , stop kidding yourself !

[@bdnomi6108]

neither was anyone else

[@BenButler50]

@@marledanimefan7186 Shut up lol what did I say to make it seem like I believe he is the only one doping? This video is talking about Ilya only, so I’m talking about Ilya only. Dumb comment.

[@BenButler50]

@@bdnomi6108 no shit!?!?

[@giovannidispirito9056]

Do you think any of them were? 😂

[@HELLONEARTHYT]

Can I use this cleaner for my house?

[@JupiterJones0424]

Could’ve saved a lot of time by saying , “you don’t.”

[@ioannismakris3030]

How can Kakhiasvili not be mentioned in this video talk?

[@WeightliftingHouse]

Can’t mention all of the greats! He gets his mentions though on this channel

[@JUNGLEsausage]

Hence the "of Our Generation" in the title.

[@ioannismakris3030]

@@WeightliftingHouse Indeed your video on him is great. Congrats to your contribution to the sport ( should have mentioned in my previous which is mu first comment to your work

[@juanpaulolegaspi7341]

Tian tao vs Ilya Ilyin? Who's a better clean technician?

[@Jo-oe3pi]

Pulling as aggressively and confidently as Ilya did is also aided pretty substantially by roids

[@maqeelafzal]

3:20-3:24. :The legs of Ilya ilyn going one way whilst the upper body going the other. Naem Sulmanoglu was even more apparent, is it normal or should a lifter be concerned

[@WeightliftingHouse]

It’s relatively normal for lifters built like that who will favour almost any change in torso angle over just hinging forwards

[@fluffstuffpootiebean1688]

Step 1: You can't Step 2: Keep training anyway

[@rfjohns4452]

Old training video he did 450 lb snatch?

[@WeightliftingHouse]

Off blocks at 105

[@venugopalreddy7928]

Tian thick boi Tao in my opinion is the best ‘cleaner’

[@tombennettband1485]

Ilya was a God.

[@plutoburn]

The illest lifter yo!

[@DMS1010]

How could he clean so much? Bahahhaaaaaa

[@augustinevenero2780]

Doesn’t need to be stated what is a very obvious contributing factor to his clean. My question is though - if he had been taught under a different school of technique so it looked as smooth as someone like Lu or tian tao, while still possessing the same absolute strength…would he be as strong or stronger/deliver a more efficient clean? Mostly bringing it up as he seemed to be changing his snatch during rio prep to make it a smoother, closer lift versus having greater explosive extension / harder contact.

[@xxOmnipresencexx]

No lol the Chinese have awful technique. The Bulgarians would dust them, and did, because having a long torso is not conducive to max power in the clean.

[@josephfeliciano6415]

The way he cleans obviously works best for him. And their technique may look smoother/less foot movement but that doesn't mean it's better

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

If Ilya didn’t had that habit of knocking the bar forward during the first pull a la Ivan Chakarov, you can call Ilya’s clean “perfect”. Otherwise, it’s close to perfect as you can get.

[@ivanmarjanovic383]

Zlatan Vanev, not Ilya.

[@maxm3757]

Tian Tao: Am I a joke to you?

[@alvarny77]

Compared with someone with ultimately the opposite type of body.... you talking about my body here? I don't clean ever.

[@theRaw6]

as long as media of our sport (and peoples) will glorify guy like him who get banned for doping, this sport will keep dying and have a bad reputation, BTW he lifted 50kg less after his ban in the clean and jerk

[@DredFulProductions]

Step 1: you don't Keep on grinding lads and lasses!

[@villevirtanen2215]

He is the second best cleaner. First is Samuel L Jackson

[@chronometa]

He's built like a Chinese weightlifter

[@jimbones155]

He could clean so much because he wasn't clean.

[@WeightliftingHouse]

I see what you did there! Nice

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

Bruhhhhh *laughs in Stanozolololol*

[@yuvi3968]

He was strongly doped

[@throgwarhammer7162]

Oh, Seb. Say it ain't so! "Begs the question" is not synonymous with "raises the question." To beg the question is to assume a version of the conclusion of an argument as a premise to the argument.

[@cliffordtindall4529]

How? Incredible training and a shit ton of drugs.

[@faggianogeuiseppi5135]

Yeah we just not gonna talk about drugs

[@WeightliftingHouse]

What is there to be said that hasn't been said already, unless someone is actually popped?

[@immers2410]

I’d rather have normal legs than look like a hobbit

[@andros2389]

All weightlifters were on and still use drugs so why panish Ylia and stripped him from his Olympic wins!?

[@markogrbovic9083]

"How could Illa Ilyin clean so much?"......easy its called Stanozolol and years of training. Risk/Reward. Also he's short lol

[@spiritinblack370]

Others used stan but can`t clean like Ilya.Why?

[@markogrbovic9083]

@@spiritinblack370 cuz he's short he's has less distance to drop in the turn over on the clean and snatch as others who are taller. Plus his arms are shorter too so locking out in either lifts are easier as well. Also we don't know how much PEDs he used could be more could be less

[@jamessalemi1477]

Again, take this crazy down...glorifying a dirty steroid user, Ilya Ilian. Athletes like him destroy Olympic Weightlifting. Dumbest Weightlifting House. Go figure British run.

[@dkaminski6216]

Hahaha, no way he is the best cleaner in our generation 😂 Szymon Kołecki was the best ever in clean 💪🏻but definitely he is the best juiced weightlifter of our generation 💉💉💉💉💉💉💉

[@WarmianskiKoks]

prawda

[@CollarToCollar]

U know everyone juices right?

[@secondthought2]

They are all the same as far as juice goes. It's a given in this sport. It doesn't exist without drugs on that level.

[@josephfeliciano6415]

Kolecki was popped like twice bro what are you on? 😂

[@dkaminski6216]

@@josephfeliciano6415 Hahaha 😆 but he wasn't caught 😱😁