IMCF 2015 5v5 POLAND VS ENGLAND FINAL GOLD & SILVER

[@xash7166]

wrestling in armor and slapping each other with big pieces of metal is still cooler than most sports even if its not really medieval fighting

[@lordiex232]

how did medieval fighting looked then? thats how it looked, trying to get opponent to the ground by any way and then finish him.

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

The armor is so solid that the only way to hurt someone with a sword was to thrust into weak spots and that was also rarely was lethal,it was more lethal due to infections that the damage at the spot. You'd have to knock a heavy plate knight down and then stab them with a sharp dagger into their eye sockets ,throat or arm pits. If this was a chainmail/leather fight it would consist much more of dodging and parrying.

[@7dayspking]

***** Leather is not armour, mail armour stops sword blows just fine. More importantly both would consist of parrying and basic maneuvering, the objective of the fighting above is to be the last standing, not actual fighting. More importantly fighting technique changes completely in 2v2, 5v5 or 21v21.

[@benjaminplatt4109]

@@7dayspking Leather most certainly is armor. It can protect very nicely against slashing and minorly against thrusting. It would be much harder to defeat naked then with a leather cuirass and wool gabison underneath.

[@7dayspking]

@@benjaminplatt4109 My old comments are nonsense. It's not that there's no truth in them but they're worded in a way that obscures any information they might contain. That said I've seen very little evidence of leather armour worn as a primary defence in the 15th century in Western Europe or parts of Eastern Europe like Poland. I'm not talking about one off examples here either, I mean as a widely adopted and legitimate 'option'. If it was as uncommon as I think it is I believe that's a strong testament to how ineffective it is as armour. On the other hand mail armour was very popular in the 15th and into the 16th century across Europe even as a primary form of armour. In art I see a lot more soldiers going 'naked' by that I mean fighting in their clothing than wearing leather actually formed into armour, as in not as just simply a fashion accessory. I don't think the people of this time considered actual leather as a legitimate form of armour, let alone a 'leather cuirass'. Among the scarce number of potential 'leather armours' I have found, they mostly seem to be for the wrists or lower legs and it's still debatable whether they are entirely leather or are simply a lining for steel armour. There are buff coats or jackets but I don't see these being worn as an actual primary defence. I wouldn't call an arming coat 'armour' if it's only intended purpose is to be worn under actual armour.

[@stefciok]

That Polish dude's black armor is so cool

[@michagebura4710]

Zawisza Czarny polish knight

[@krystianbismor292]

@@michagebura4710 so it was cosplay xD

[@Shorty3D]

he is a lvl 150 in mordhau

[@Horus9123]

Zawisza is most famous Polish knight in history. He was brave honorable, his fighting skills was great and he once organize biggest and greatest party in medieval Europe history..

[@dibelek1]

@@Horus9123 True. Reynevan met him once

[@spaceballs72]

"This sport is tough. You gotta have strength, you gotta have endurance, you gotta have enduring strength." Thats some top quality commentary right there folks.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

Yes, the ability to state the blatantly obvious is one of my superpowers. Yet you would be surprised how many people look at this and think it is a bunch of out-of-shape nerd larpers.

[@dafuqgusdafrey60]

ัyeah, i agree with you. this kind of sports use a lot of endurance and power to stay balance on the field while fight with 2-3 men at same time and plus probably vibration damage from hit in the helmet must hurt like hell

[@spaceballs72]

Hey man, I ain't criticising your commentary ability. I thought it was epic!

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

qianstirfry Thanks. I appreciate that!

[@billklacks9908]

"you may be paying for the chair but youre only going to need the edge" my personal favorite

[@KarlHernan]

There is no shortage of Polish men willing to participate, lol. In a few years this could be the national sport in Poland. Battle of Vienna revisited 2016!

[@noneyourbuissness4641]

then the winged hussars arrived?

[@seba3808]

It was and steel is since ever

[@Hammadz-li]

@Gollum turkish are ppl of central asia stan countries but turkey is turkic not Turkish and turkic is a identity not ethnicity talking about ethnicity even house of ottoman is east central euorpion genetically

[@maksymalnybul6145]

@@gman8361 lol

[@ethanmcardle3215]

Karl Hernan2016 yeah because they’re stuck in the past

[@ziemniakelo]

funny thing is that 1/2 of English representation are also Poles :D

[@Tycini1]

rzal

[@seba3808]

And other half blacks and tans

[@MrCr00wn]

As always

[@cokurde]

u mean uk is polish now?

[@gen_robert_lee]

@@Tycini1 żal owszem jak sie widzi i czyta byki takie

[@YinYangAK47]

What on earth is this beautiful thing I've stumbled upon

[@kindaawkwardbro]

lindybeige should be commentating

[@JBGARINGAN]

Yes yes yes.

[@JBGARINGAN]

He is the best KZbinr. His bascinet video was great.

[@EliteGoosePlusOne]

ANYONE would be better than this guy. I had to mute him after one too many "Polander" or "Englander"

[@chaimavet9893]

How did i not know this existed!? AWESOME

[@Ryuko-T72]

"ENGLAND... UH POLAND WINS"

[@kdr1235]

Yeah thats why i dont like this comentator

[@maksymalnybul6145]

he thought it was like in the script but players don't give a fuck about it

[@patrykolejnik2116]

@@maksymalnybul6145 sure, the comentator was just confused by the colors 100%

[@stormyprawn]

The black armour polish guy was intimidating af! 2 English players were hesitating to charge at him 🤣 what a madlad

[@tucobenedictopacificojuanm168]

Zawisza Czarny

[@Inferno912]

Hey guys - this all looks great! Shame there is no new videos :( God Bless You all - from POLAND!!!

[@graemeedward4456]

Englander? what happened to Englishman

[@zepter00]

He died in the battle😂

[@0range1968UK]

oof! but i agree [ps i'm an englander]

[@johnsun11]

Some of those guys look suspiciously like not Englishman. Judging by the color of the equipment and some of their chosen armor.

[@rudster1278]

They play darts.😅

[@rudster1278]

No, only a joke I like darts too.

[@benek9709]

Brawo!Polska górą!

[@rochatyniec]

właśnie!

[@manysKojot]

Polish speaker be like : friendly hugs friendly hugs The English speaker be like : Americans know better

[@F0Led]

eh no not really

[@jd6069]

What?

[@biohazard6380]

i expected polish to bring hussaria

[@Litwinus]

We have brave knight too,read about Grunwald 1410.

[@jcbhtdb6097]

+ 150 to charge

[@PanicMMA]

Clearly there was no need for hussaria :D

[@wowfriends7475]

this black knight needs a warhammer just saying hahaha

[@justawarlord]

pretty sure that would be lethal since blunt force trauma was the only viable weapon at that time

[@unga8588]

@@justawarlord yeah that would be pretty dangerous considering the fact that warhammers were meant to be used on armour

[@lilyandbeth8542]

Poland=best knights ever

[@zepter00]

What hitler has to do with Knights? BTW back of the days only Russian and Polish soldiers from east took Berlin in 1945. Poland was the only one country which fought and attacked Germany from two sides. Polish armed forces from west mostly Polish 1t armored division took north western part of nazi Germany and They have their own ocupation zone.

[@goldiestfish]

zepter00 French have zone too....and for what? why?

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

zepter00 Poland is only a fighting force if it’s a country and they got conquered by the Nazis.

[@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg]

Chad Alphabeta when the winged hussars arrived!!

[@tauempire1793]

@Chad Alphabeta your abit of an idiot and an extremists and I can tell

[@CoIdHeat]

What are the weapons for? This looks rather like medieval wrestling in armour

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

The weapons are for hitting people. The armor protects people from weapons. Grappling also helps prevent people from hitting you.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

@Etelred Etelred To knock them down. Once everyone on the other team is down, you win.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

@Etelred Etelred Sometimes the weapon works, sometimes the wrestling works. Sometimes a combination of the two is what it takes. Sometimes the use of a weapon can interrupt an attempted takedown. Sometimes the use of a weapon can keep a person from grappling with you. Sometime the use of a weapon can set up a takedown. Weapons are part of the game. So is wrestling. Watch some more matches. Different teams have different strategies and use different tactics.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

@Etelred Etelred Do you know what a sport it? It is a game in which the intention is not to kill anybody. This sport is about fighting in the armor and with the weapons of the middle ages in the style of certain tournaments of the time. Certain tournaments had melees on foot in which the object was to put the person to the ground, and allowed grappling to do so, and only allowed blunted weapons. This activity is done in that style. If you want to watch people with weapons kill each other, go elsewhere. If you want to watch people use things other than blunted versions of medieval weapons, go elsewhere. If you want to see full-contact fighting in armor with weapons that does not involve wrestling, go elsewhere. If you want to learn more about this sport, watch more videos. I have plenty on my channel.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

@Etelred Etelred Never denied it.

[@makarios5946]

Bardzo przyjemne do oglądania.

[@brodieknight772]

People aren't really hitting each other with their weapons here. It's like 90% wrestling and kneeing

[@skavanagh2778]

well they arent gonna kill each other are they?

[@brodieknight772]

@@skavanagh2778 No, that's why they have armour

[@Starvn_Arvn_]

Brodie Knight a mace could easily break through that armor if you hit hard enough

[@brodieknight772]

@@Starvn_Arvn_ You've never seen a mace tested against armour then. It will dent the fuck out of it, but it will never go through.

[@NikyCROW]

@@brodieknight772 Yeah and the dent will carve in your skull

[@pawelmarkiewicz7696]

Whatever you say..... Poland rules :)

[@stahu_mishima]

good God it's the most enjoyable sport to watch I've seen so far. btw I'm so proud of being Polish and having heritage and history like that. I don't mean to be nationalist or something, I'm just really excited about it lmao

[@Oodelallie]

" Call it Rocky, call it The Bad News Bears, call it The Muppets, Its all about doing something you love against people who wanna see it"

[@rollingo8678]

Is this American only now experiencing Middle Ages Europe themselves?

[@RyanSmith-nx7in]

dude, this is awesome! balling commentary thanks

[@Winds0fWinter]

i dont care what anybody says this commentator is great, hes too funny to not like lol

[@matteo805]

Winds Of Winter I agree

[@Dedreaded]

yep

[@plumbherhub1664]

I'm very glad I found out about this awesome group one day i hope to attend if it comes to america

[@freakrx2349]

I need me some Medieval II and Mount and Blade Warband after watching this

[@SedmoePeklo]

Польска! Польска!

[@madmanandyc]

Looks like great fun but it's a little strange watching fully armoured knights hack at eachother with shortswords. I know that for safety reasons you cant use warhammers or picks, which would be the typical choice of weapon in this situation. However without these, it just becomes armoured wrestling with aerodynamic sticks.

[@Veteranipl]

Malbork castle .One of the bigest and greatests in time. But we not took it in 1410 after greatest Grunwald battle where we smashed Teutonic Knights totaly. Poland ,Latvia and Ukraine forces greatest win ever. On Teutonic Knight side many west foreign knights died and many famouse families venished.. I suppose English too... -) My oldest family member was a knight from France. He was here before Grunwald battle. After it he stayed in Poalnd and married Jagiełło courtier from Prawdzic criest... :-) NIce to see haw he probably fought. :-)

[@gronekkenorg8872]

dobra robota Polacy (Good job Poland)

[@spencerlove2264]

Do you have any 2018 videos?

[@Dmitriy_Vdovenko]

Молодцы поляки. Отличный бой показали.

[@leroilapue15]

You gotta have Strength, Endurance and Enduring Strength lol love it

[@mikeycole3558]

Just sayin, this shout caster is bad

[@Zeferoth]

+Mikey Cole i agree totally!!!!! hes shit

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

What improvements would you recommend?

[@kdr1235]

Me to he talks bout USA ale The time

[@kdr1235]

@@NewYorkKnightsCombat1 well thats The bad thing he shoudl make this interesting formę The start. Its like "yeah i know my cooking is disgusting, but you get used to it"

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

@@kdr1235 He is from the USA.

[@Tycini1]

Polanders vs Englanders

[@kylegutzwiller3328]

the only sport i watch for the commentary

[@Bence90ful]

Is it full contact? I mean are you allowed to do whatever with your weapons?

[@M.S1860]

I think you can not stab ppl. And hook into the holes in the armor but i am not sure

[@Leitod93]

Wie ktoś może czy ten turniej jeszcze istnieje w Malborku ??

[@smolpp585]

I've just found out this is a thing....best thing ever

[@Kevinsmith-jw5ok]

where do i sign up??

[@vanillapotat2380]

Why don’t they upload anymore

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

Malbork fortress?

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

Yes. Originally the home of the Teutonic Knights.

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

Yes I visited it, very nice castle too bad it get destroyed during ww2 by red army!

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

They have done a wonderful job restoring it.

[@mlgproplayer2915]

So, this is the Hardcore LARP my friends have been talking about...

[@csabagoog5687]

Gratulacje, Polscy bracia.

[@cosydelong651]

I want to join and compete how do I go about beginning?

[@francoivanova1298]

heeyy! Henry come to see us!

[@MydasLP]

So in this sport u can have skins :D

[@Flamethrower1942]

Typical finial between only two nations in Europe that can actually fight lol

[@kopsonniewiem7775]

German can fight to but only until winter ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@Anmatgreen]

Russia can fight only in winter

[@xernax1841]

The French retook all the lands the english took from them an pushed them all the way back to their island. In addition to that they conquered almost all of europe under Napoleons reign.

[@Flamethrower1942]

@@xernax1841 Napoleon wasn't french lol

[@MrPablosek]

@@Flamethrower1942 *bruh*

[@haibuiphuoc4442]

They do allow maces? Now this is the real deal

[@louis.a9121]

Yes but small ones

[@pollution671]

Chivalry Medieval Warfare on ultra graphics

[@hussar1512]

or Mordhau

[@AkodoAkira1]

Is that the Warcraft soundtrack in the background?

[@miigaaenhsaihan4226]

polish are so good in team fight also ultimate in tfc

[@leonzajac7156]

Is this somewhere in croatia?

[@platynowyviking7746]

Jeśli chodzi o napierdalanie się to Polska jest w tym najlepsza🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱💪🏻💪🏻

[@Alpha_blossom]

Lmfao I was not expecting that when I hit translate

[@shrap8]

Why are there no updates on the channel anymore?

[@niceguyeddie2022]

in a R.A.Salvatore book about drittz,, there are a dwarven heavy infantry squad,, they didnt carry any weapons,, but instead were covered in head to toe with heavy plate armor,, covered in all sorts of blades,,hooks and spikes and they just charge into the enemy and kick and scream and flail about,, shredding anyone they come into contact with,,and that reminds me of this stuff hehehe

[@Dedreaded]

if they were to remove the grappling then they would just be bashing eachother with weapons until one falls down that is too dangerous so it makes sense and when an armoured person is down its easy to kill him that way so again makes sense why you want to put them down

[@jameshodgekiss6787]

I never reliesed this was a actual sport that happening in these days

[@dreysantillan]

Man... If only I have money I'd definitely go here and participate

[@henrybeebe5996]

Was the Brits wearing cuman helmets?

[@RomanRoman-xi3dv]

So how long did the midevil battles last? Its obviusly no one can battle for more then 15.mins due a stamina sortrahe

[@soju69jinro]

3am... seriously youtube has some weird algorithm searches at night.

[@krzysztofkaczmarski80]

Poland first to fight

[@marcelooliveira2621]

Instead of those shitty musics, they could play Folk

[@pepe-yi6bh]

Can thus even be a real sport? And I've NEVER even heard of it. With rules, different teams referees and visitors in 2 generations

[@MrPablosek]

I bet it can. I even bet it will become a national sport in Poland someday because everyday more and more people want to join in.

[@Richieee070]

The Mountain should do this sport

[@cokurde]

no

[@Dedreaded]

@@cokurde haha

[@istoleyourtoast7401]

Kto wygra mecz?! POLSKA!!

[@bartq4701]

Oczywiście że tak.

[@9965paul]

0:25 lower right that haircut tho..

[@jannaja975]

that second round was dope

[@UnknownBeats]

Kiedy następne takie wydarzenie>?

[@omgyeaXD]

wrestling with armor

[@Garrus_Vakarian_N7]

Love Poland from Montenegro! ❤💪💪💪

[@marekmazurek8459]

There is always big competition between Polanders and Englanders lol

[@australianword3812]

or as normal people call it, Polish and English

[@creamypotato8737]

Have they ever done something similar to large scale warfare. Honestly this seems like it could be a pretty decent representation of medieval warfare. Give two huge armies some land and a couple generals and see who can flank the other.

[@louis.a9121]

There are 150 vs 150 fights

[@giannihenk]

we play football in america so we have the advantage.... yeah and the rest of the world does ice hockey and boxing and judo and wrestling "the real wrestling not the WWE" etc.

[@7dayspking]

+NoortjeXx Rugby....

[@scottallan2722]

America has Ice hockey, Boxing, Judo, and wrestling as well. I would argue that skills developed from playing American football would definitely give you an advantage when competing in this type of knight fighting.

[@7dayspking]

Scotty Cooley It might, it might not...it really depends.

[@zepter00]

So the Poles either...add to the list kick boxing full contact very popular in Poland and beeing a football fans ultras and fights on every bar and night club on the countryside 😂 And Yes ...USA team fought better than England...we had to even got tired during fight with USA 😉

[@guavaburst]

NoortjeXx Australia has rugby and domestic violence, wouldn't that be overkill in the skills dept.?

[@thomasdavis4771]

Its a shame 5 year old vids when I know USAKnights were active up to last year now due to the Pandemic I'd get why lil to no 2020 footage. But what about 2016,17,18,19? Make you a deal start posting again and I'll subscribe, I am thinking of trying HMB thus I ended up here looking for footage now I wonder, seems like a flash in the pan not so much a serious sport when there is more recent content on Curling (the ice sport not weight training).

[@jordanfoster2955]

This is basically wrestling in armour

[@GGEZUS]

I love this however I don't understand why would you pick a sword as your weapon... Why not a mace?

[@acesmak]

I would hope england would have a long lineage of excellent knights to draw upon to form their teams. (Also part of me hopes they have actually been knighted by their queen)

[@carterjones8126]

The English were famed for their longbowmen. They had knights, and tended to fight dismounted, but relied heavily on utilising their archers to bring down their more heavily armoured, and often more numerous foe. At least during the High-Medieval era that is.

[@ozone9473]

My kind of sport. Deul vult

[@swolzer]

deus vult you mean

[@highjim7778]

someone gotta show this to Joe Rogan.

[@kitkaandkarmel5807]

Poland!

[@ZenexTheZealous]

> The Eastern European team Isn't Poland central European?

[@bhq700]

The culture is def eastern european

[@jaykay24ful]

Awesome

[@piotrmaecki641]

Zawisza Czarny z buzdyganem!!! Ładnie, ładnie :)

[@Midironica]

Is Japan invited?

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

Yes. You can find other videos of them on this channel and on my channel.

[@funkydown]

wonder if that guy in black armor is on steroids

[@sarcosmortis7179]

Although i like this, it looks more like armored wrestling or rugby / American football. The problem lies is that what it counts is if a fighter takes another fighter down. Even if they can't drop their weapons, they don't use em really as weapons, they use it a lot to lock the opponent and bring him on the ground more than for striking. This leads fighters to just look tackling and try to make the opponents trip than actually fight. IMHO they should look a way to change the rules to avoid this and make the "sport" more interesting.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

The rules were set up to allow minimum restrictions on technique and maximum force to be used with very simple victory conditions. There is no stabbing or thrusting, but pretty much everything else (weapon and shield strikes, punches, kicking, grappling, etc) is legal. You cna even hiot them from behind if you want to (and are able to get into position). No one is counting points, there is no need to "acknowledge" blows. The only thing that "counts" is that when you hit the ground, you are out, and when everyone on your team is out, the other team wins. What type of fight would you rather see? What sort of rule changes do you think would make that happen?

[@gcgrabodan]

yeah but he has a point. All really dangerous techniques (like thrusting) and weapons (like warhammers) are probably not allowed (which makes sense). What is left is you are best advised to use techniques from wrestling and judo to do the one thing that counts: bring them down to the ground. Nonetheless, great stuff.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

gcgrabodan This particular melee does come down to a lot of wrestling, but to judge this sport on this one video is like to judge MMA on one UFC match. There are plenty of factors involved in winning and plenty of ways to win and plenty of ways to use weapons effectively in this sport. You cannot win poften without a good wrestling game, and yes, you should study judo, jiu jitsu, sambo, wrestling, etc, particularly those techniques that involve taking someone down without going down yourself. But you also need good kickboxing skills, as well as knowing how to strike with the weapon you are holding. Teamwork is also important. If you can get a grip on someone that sets them up for a good, hard polearm strike to the head or back or let,then down goes one guy with two of you left standing. If you can distract someone while a teammate runs behind them and knocks them over, same result. If one of your guys can draw three of theirs into attacking him, then that leaves (in the case of a 5 v. 5 match like this) a 4-2 advantage for the rest of your team. Choice of weapons is important, too. If your scouting reports that the other team likes to stand with their back against the fence and let you try to wrestle them down, then bring out a bunch of long polearms and a few good punishers with falchions and punching shields and solid stand-up grapplers. While your close-in guys screen the polearmers, the polarmers can bring down the pain with the polearms until the other team decides it is a bad idea to keep standing.

[@gcgrabodan]

New York Knights Combat Thanks for the explanation. So, the weapons do significant damage? because the short swords look like the dont do anything. But you can knock someone unconcious with some of the weapons i guess? or are people just bashing each other as distrcation?

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

If someone gets knocked unconscious they should consider improving their helm and padding, but it has happened. Like auto racing, the quality and safety of your game depends greatly on the quality and maintenance of your equipment. If you have good armor, blows from weapons will affect you less than if your armor is not as good as the other guy. Because the armor works (lie it did in the middle ages), it is difficult to actually hirt someone. But repeated blows can convince someone that they are going to get hurt, and make them less likely to continue standing. Blows can knock people over (win!) and weapon strikes to legs can trip people or knock their balance out. And as I said before, I have seen a good, hard blow to the back, hip, or leg send someone down like a puppet with its strings cut. It's all about what is the most effective move you can execute at the moment with minimal risk. Grappling is an easy, low risk go-to, so it happens a lot, but a skilled and experienced fighter can find moments where a weapon strike is the thing to do. Watch more of the matches on this channel, mine, and others to see the varieties of scenarios, strategies, tactics, and outcomes.

[@BingleFlimp]

"Englander"?

[@acidbadger8984]

i wanna know what an englander is??

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

Someone from England. Like a New Yorker is someone from New York.

[@takingourcountryback1826]

Keep up the good work fighters

[@mrtunabeat7282]

Like the past in Futurama

[@arhodian12]

Black armor looks like Mountain GOT

[@rockclimbingrules]

i like it but the swords don't seem to be doing much, almost seems like youd be better off dropping your sword so youd have two hands to wrestle with?

[@user-lb7zw5bb7n]

literally just spent an hour watching this and the teams which use two handed weapons seem invariably to win. The sword shield combo seems weak like you say, you just want to blunt force someones head enough that they kindly sit down

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

There are a variety of weapons used in this game. Most of the "swrods," as you call them, are a type known as a "falchion," used to chop through heavier armor. The trouble with dropping your weapon, is that then the other person has a weapon and you don;t, and then they can hit you in the head or hands or anywhere before you can reach them. Weapkon strikes take a toll on a ersonin armor, even if they don't "injure" them. Also, the rule is that you must have a weapon i at least one hand. If you lose it, you have to run back to your sideline and get one.

[@MariusThePaladin]

One thing that I don't like about this is how fighters usually wear coat or tabard on top of their armor. Like, come on, I get it they're loyal to their team but white (uncovered) armor or dyed brigandine would looks far cooler.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

The tabard helps people identify the teams.

[@siegfrieddercherusker6865]

Slavian ( R1a ) Win NO WONDER

[@xCoffeeNWeedx]

JRE squad!

[@johnsparkjm]

Great fight guys 🪓🫡