IMMVP vs EGIdrA - TvZ on Shakuras Plateau

The #1 player in the world, IMMVP, takes on one of the greatest Zergs, and the #1 American player, IdrA!
As seen on IdrA's stream, an amazing macro game, a MUST SEE!

[@stc2828]

It is funny to see top-level play look like some master league play nowadays.

[@gfg1651]

Masterleauge the fighting the took wear just terrible

[@nickjensensbookreviews5137]

I guess low master or possibly high diamond.

[@kamehamehaDdragon]

The pace of the game was very different back then.

[@allydea]

Check out the supply block at 8:30. It takes a full 11 seconds just to start the Overloards to get out the supply block. All the while banking close to 1k mins.

[@RisitasKEKW]

They paved the way

[@alexanderbrown3903]

Any one in 2018.... I miss the old days 😔

[@bobbyadamson2333]

Alexander brown me too

[@WallOrange]

DEAD!

[@christiannewcomer2635]

2019. Same man. I was living it for years lol. Super sad they took down the WOL ladder tbh. It was well alive until Free to Play came out.

[@alvalankerofficial]

2019

[@Rtsjulian]

I’m in 2020 missing it

[@brettpach]

This game was so sick to watch live I was on the edge of my seat like the whole game screaming just gg mvp

[@Lortagreb]

This showed up in my recommendations lol

[@edgelamer]

2020.. nostalgia trip D:

[@Sh5h5h]

thank God SC2 is still around

[@VenomousStare]

An all time classic between two WoL KINGS!

[@Anghorn32]

Cant believe artosis was focused at A brute lord instead of the massive fungals at24:57

[@skowollon84]

+Anghorn32 yeah. this attack really was the most valued i think. a lot of marine losses for some infestor energy. seemed like the turning point of this game

[@StimeyLoL]

I watch his stream almost daily, I dont mind staying up late to do so either :) I have to say this is one of if not the best games I've seen in Starcraft 2. I'm a fan of both player, they're both terrific, and this game is really a testament to both of their skill level. Great game, glad I could watch it again, especially in 1080P :)

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

Man we've come a long way. This is like a gold league match in terms of the decisions and build orders. They are not very greedy at all.

[@DullTorpedoFilms]

+Ryukey A diamond league player now would be bonjwa level back then, the improvement of players has been huge.

[@haytionette]

Lol look at the non existent creep spread also :D

[@Xboxishomo]

@@haytionette Creep spread's speed was increased and that is still some very good creep spread.

[@foxmulder8955]

The average player did not improve that much. New optimal build orders are copy pasted and it doesnt make the newer players smarter, and game mechanics have been facilitated in various ways (auto drone split at the start, creep spreading, injects,...)

[@foxmulder8955]

and gold league ? absolutely not. Gold league players have minerals floating at 2k whenever they are under some kind of pressure. They would lose extremely fast against players of that caliber.

[@smdiddy]

@mcmanus1806 its because you have it set when you go to full screen it goes to highest possible resolution so it has to reload it ... in this case from 360p to 720p

[@VenomousStare]

The best game of sc2 ever. Long live Artosis and IdrA

[@wido461]

Really funny looking back on this in 2022.

[@Stormistery]

It's EG Idra, not Hydra, Artosis...

[@Mythicalmage]

@APRIME Yep. Also balanced is the 300 food push, and the tech switching capacity of zerg. MULEs are god, but they HAVE to be to keep up with Protoss and Zerg economies, and, in fact, early game Terran is slightly behind economically.

[@Eggemeyers]

Ahh, I remember justin.tv

[@Merth667]

Really neat game. When I saw the game length and that IdrA playing and Artosis commentating, I knew IdrA would win, but it was a very enjoyable game to watch. Thanks.

[@ruebuh]

Wow people were really bad at sc2

[@MiltiadesOfMarathon]

Idra at his absolute best, that Mutalisk play in the midgame almost moved me to tears. Great to watch this. I was thinking about switching from Zerg to Terran recently, but I've been inspired again, I'm a Zerg player always.

[@SC2OwnageShack]

Artosis, you are my favourite caster - really good work here. Of all my subscriptions, your videos are definitely the ones I look forward to the most. Great quality, really good commentary, and a variety of other videos such as interviews and balance discussion always keep me coming back for more! Thanks a lot man!

[@TomaszKoZaKozio]

EG, Idra, Shakuras Plateau, Justin.tv, GomTV... Oh, the nostalgia!

[@DJ1NS4N1TY]

Yeah I thought this was new until you said JustinTV. What a blast from the past

[@TDBhCorsica]

@M1stF1nk haha the app is called SC2 Timer. Its essentially just a time. It shouts loudly every 29 seconds (so it reminds you when to inject and spread creep) Its for Iphone on app store.

[@NightStalka]

Watched this live it was so great, the chat went totally ape shit after the GG it was a huge adrenaline rush and the best game I have seen in a while.

[@PhantomHybrid]

Both played a spectacular game. A very good map allowed Idra to show his true skill. I feel MVP maybe wasn't playing at his very best, but he was still amazing and showing why he is the best player in the world and Idra showing why he is the most consistent and arguably the best foreigner.

[@Jaryism]

Amazing game. BOTH players played amazing, I think IdrA's early success in some of the Muta attacks taking so many key Meds and Tanks gave him much more leway to get the econ edge he needed. Still, *phew* IMVP just put tremendous pressure and it was amazing how few units he needed to do so much, too. Thumbs up!

[@Coldrada]

@TDBhCorsica I know it doesn't change anything, but on the stream after Idra won, someone asked him if he just beat MVP in-game. Idra said yes, but he also said it was because of early game luck because MVP didn't attack with that early army...So Idra was being somewhat humble :)

[@timgroen1995]

@ExplicitSimplicity actualy, mvp's style is to get alot of orbitals so he can get alot of mules, this way he doesnt have alot of SCV's but a very large army.

[@NotThat3]

Very nice commentary. I love the in depth analysis you throw in. I'll definitely check out your other videos.

[@rogueinrl]

This game was on last night IdrA stream. we are very fortunate for artosis to have access to it. chat flipped out when this match up came

[@toplel_]

Holy shit. That's the sickest marine split I've ever seen at 18:57

[@xbulva]

Gr8 match and thanks for putting it here with your commentary, which IMHO fit very well.

[@Dudefromspace567]

At 23:20 when he drops mules by the oribal command being attacked by mutas they were not a waste, they were from the dying orbital so he wanted to drop them before it went down.

[@maxkline8985]

People who are saying they are bad compared to today dont really know what they are talking about. The decisions made were based on an entirely different meta game. Queens didn’t have as much range, siege ranks did less damage, Medivacs couldn’t boost away. It’s easy to look at this and not understand why they made certain decisions.

[@vanguard6498]

Right?? This was starcraft 2 back in the day. People like to ignore that this game is 10+years old now

[@112Nelo]

I haven't seen the latest GomTV finals (currently watching ro16). But thanks for spoilering the winner before advising me to watch it.

[@ncraadk]

@DanToretto1 Yeah, saw Artosis and Idra in their Imbalance vid, really nice. And it's really great to get the dimension of skill & league into that discussion; I get 6-pooled a lot and it is hard to defend, but it doesn't make it imba - it just makes me less skilled :) I can't really judge if the game is imbalanced at pro level, my comment was more along the lines of Idras previous rage when losing to Terrans. But the game is still young so it's really exciting too see how it all folds out! :)

[@magnum4magnets82]

@Wickedsicked8 each upgade is +2/+4 vs armored, it does make a big diffrence when its attack rate is .86 very fast, start with 1 armor an up to add 2 and 3 upgrades from evo chamber. 6 armor, a marine with no more than 1 attack upgrade does only 1 damage. It's a better collusus since it's not targeted by air. a stalker is 125/50 anyways blink has a colldown time and if you're on creep they move faster. Broodloords destroy ground armies even with anti air.

[@Jaabberrwocky]

Great cast, Artosis! Enjoyed every single bit of it and there were no bad-calls or misinformation. Once again, thank you :D

[@stuffgar]

@forzaazzurri101 Thank you for being a voice of reason on here. I figured that most of these people would've seen the TL post, where it's kinda obvious who wins. I mean, why would Artosis make a thread in which it's a normal game where the Zerg loses? Anyways, just thank you, I guess.

[@le13dan]

I think I've finally figured out one of idras problems I'm not sure if he still does it but I have noticed it for a very long time he does not send ultras first to soak up siege tank fire so that banelings and lings can break through more effectively, instead it just looks like one big a move, just something that was has been on my mind for a while.

[@iSometimesWriteMusic]

Wile this is an epic game, I kind felt that IdrA got this this before mid-game. Makes me even more proud of him, out playing the current best player of the world. GO foreigners!

[@Bjen00]

YOU are my hero! This was an excellent cast! Props for the new Unbalanced show!

[@afu1991]

Artosis's commentary is so much better than anyone elses! hopefully you'll make many more commentary videos in the future! I really enjoy watchin someone who actually knows about the game and has experience in pro-level gaming!

[@PaperShapes]

That was a sick game, man. It's pretty cool that only you get exclusive IdrA replays, as his stream is pretty much impossible to watch when you live in the EU.

[@trjnhrse]

To all the people crying aboot Spoilers. It is an Idra replay that he GAVE to Artosis, who do you think won?

[@Dauglashalfve]

@hereweallnow Idra actually streams tho, so you could check out his games from there, since he don't release replays.

[@khorneboy888]

So stoked that Artosis delivered what the fans wanted.

[@cyllibi]

there were 2600 people watching idra's stream before this game started there were 5800 people watching by the time it ended it was pretty awesome to experience

[@niilzon]

Excellent game, excellent cast, thanks Artosis Idra && MVP. Wonderful skills.

[@quarterpinte]

Thank you so much artosis, been waiting a couple days for this! (since i heard it was epic).

[@schoolboy405]

truly,the terran player, commands his units like a general.love the split.

[@Brearios117]

both great players. very talented when it comes to playing this game. idra is fracking awesome

[@ppshchik]

@Pulsar718 I agree, I think IdrA plays a factor since people always blame/ate Husky for uploading IdrA losses. But Husky explained that he can't get his hands on IdrA's winning replays since IdrA does not release replays but to Artosis and most people who upload IdrA replays are those who beat him and see him raging.

[@HugoStiglitz373]

wow..this was a great game. this is the reason i like IdrA when he faces good macro players it turns into a great game that people can learn alot from

[@fenixssanai2]

During the post-season, before the GSL 2011 tournaments were underway, MVP took part as one of the Terran players for Gisado's Challenge, which featured a King of the Hill style between the three races. Against the Zerg race, MVP defeated the complete 5-member roster comprising of TSL_FruitDealer, EGIdrA, oGsZenio, LeenockfOu and IMNesTea, with all but one match being a 2-0. -Liquipedia I wanna watch Idra vs IMMvp when mvp won! Somebody plz upload it!

[@WrathWithinMe]

These players are sick, the micro and and macro is superb and there fighting all over the biggest 1 vs 1 map at the same time.

[@oggedask]

this was one of the best SC2 games i have ever seen.. idra played absolutely perfect...

[@skullhoof]

Thank you artosis for casting this great game.

[@hw-is6vq]

Cannot believe this was 10 years earlier.. I feel old now

[@scorinaldi]

@bobdonda true, true. you should watch artosis' imbalanced series on this channel. it actually goes into detail about this.

[@tarquin161234]

This is a great replay. PLEASE more like this Arto.

[@zmirburger]

idra played one of his best games i have ever seen in this one, mvp doing an INCREDIBLE job nullifying most of the harrassments, definately the best game ive seen in 2011

[@fenixssanai2]

@KizzleTheBump They did play best of 3 twice in a televised match. One was GSL Open Season 3 Ro.16. and the other was Gisado Star Chanllenge. IMMvp pwned EGIdra both times (2-1, 2-0)

[@htownryguy]

BY FAR - the most intense analysis and breakdown of small choices and the big part the play long term in a 1v1. Most intelligent caster in the game period. Really needs to work on his knowledge of protoss though.

[@fenixssanai2]

@BadatStuff I really wanted but KZbin do not permit any kind of posting link. Just go to gomtv, click video, click sony eriksson starcraft 2 open seanson 3 and find the match. That's all! btw. IMMvp do pwn EGidra not just one match(3 set) but two match in a official televised match. the record is 4-1 for IMMvp. (one is Open Season 3 and the other is Gisado StarChanllenge)

[@malakaysun]

What a terrific match. Mutalisks are so strong mid game. IMMVP neglected using high tier units, and so in the end he lost to Idra's high tech army.

[@Ravik122]

The masterpiece by both of them ! That's what i was waiting for! thx Artosis!

[@mugabubaboo]

glad i watched his stream live, i can imagine the commentary in my head better.

[@esoteric404]

Damn, where has the last decade going?

[@Dialogue_SC]

The fungal at 24.57 was ORGASMICCC!!!

[@johansenallan]

Awesome that Artosis is casting the game, but I think it was actually better to view IdrA's stream/point of view.

[@fenixssanai2]

18:55....2 years from sc2 had came out but still 'the' best marine micro in game i have ever seen..

[@ErdemHotams]

this is the best of idra I've ever seen so far.

[@BIAXlD3NT]

@TheWargasmic Not true. Mutalisks can take out stray tanks or thors, make marines stim, take out scvs. IF microed correctly. which diamond and higher always do.

[@huzza1791]

Yes!!! Thanks for doing this man! This game was so awesome!

[@mewhoooo]

Wooo! Thanks for getting this one out so quickly!

[@fowad27]

@SeedyV I agree that he undersold it, since I don't think he caught it in time, but it was one big moment among many big moments in the game. It was great to look at, but it wasn't really a game changer.

[@DreamsOfWastelands]

love these BW style maps, makes these games look so much more epic. I think this is how games will look in a year, right before heart of the swarm comes out when people fully understand wings of liberty.

[@RoelofR]

One of the most amazing games I have ever seen. Great job Artosis!

[@andrei87x]

besides that, marines shoot air and are easy to mass (keep in mind that you use your factories mainly for tanks so usually more hellions=less tanks)& you can relatively dodge storms using stim and retreat so the marines are protected by sieged tanks. ofc late armies are hard to micro properly and other races have different advantages, the game must be ballanced (although i thought terran is way op when i had zerg as my main race, but didn't realise how hard is for a terran to micro properly)

[@11Anti11]

thats easily the game of the year for me. Both players did amazing.

[@jakespfe]

Terran has more things to micro, but they are easier to handle, and messing up on any one point is considerably less significant than fudging zerg macro. Terran units inherently have a speed and range advantage over Zerg units, which makes most Terran micro very offensive. Where zerg micro in response is usually simply to get your units to actually work at normal effectiveness. If you send banelings at a good marine splitter, they're going to do nothing. Vice versa, marines will do plenty.

[@Vacheresseb]

I saw this live! I had GOOSEBUMPS man! bug idrA to post his playlist!

[@charonms]

one of the best games ive ever seen...and GREAT cast. ty artosis for making my day :D

[@Ceesuh]

I remember watching this live, probably one of the best matches I've ever seen.

[@K5Doom]

@Laturbo I see, yeah I understand why then. Forgot it was streamed live. @whoever121 What a mature reply.

[@armaniac661]

Awesome match!!! ... which again shows that Mutas need huge nerf. But great play from both players, and I must say I had a Marine-gasm when Mvp split those marines!

[@dickgroe]

thnx artosis.. i wish you cast more games.

[@scorinaldi]

@jjmsmusic thank you. someone needs to mail this game to david kim

[@Quanta001]

His stream is Late, sometimes during weekends only I can see him play...

[@WhatTheHEllFTW]

@AeneasHelikaon where can we see iron's squid games in english (I watch some of them casted by 2 french guy called Pomf et Thud but I don't know if english guy cast them too...

[@ShonkyAdonis]

Wow, great game the whole way through. Keep up the awesome work Artosis. You're the man.

[@3GreteL3]

amaaaazing game. i don't see idra winning, but when i do, he does it in magnificent fashion. even as protoss, i have to admire him (grudgingly, but still...)

[@kraun124]

Wow amazing game. That marine split was about the most epic move I've seen. I'd like a slomotion replay of MVP's hands while he was doing that. Seriously how is it possible. lol

[@SnaJKirE]

Damn, MVP really kicks up his multitasking to an insane level when he is under pressure.

[@bobdonda]

it's funny how similar this map is to the current ladder map Golden Wall, I assume it must have been based on Shakuras

[@StandingForLight]

That was some intense micro yo. I could literally feel the stress of these players emanating from the comp screen lol.

[@hamalainen2580852]

@corvibandit Do u see the problem? to beat mass muta, you say protoss needs Stalker+archon+sentry(plus upgrades most likely) . The only mobile unit there is stalker and the stalkers need Gaurdian shield from the immobile sentry to hold their own weight. I agree that they are easy to counter 1:1 but not when you can never get to them in time.

[@TheSuperKN]

@TaurosNathrezim that split made me fall in love with IMMvp

[@ulfderulfte]

its so great to see idra win a game eventually

[@andrei87x]

well, usually mech involves huge ammounts of siege tanks and some thors (very few if he is protoss and some more if he is zerg, thors are crucial in defending against air). you won't see hellions in late game because of low dmg& low hp, they are great for harass and nothing more. instead you back up with lots of marines (wich are gas free) and use your gas on vikings if he goes colossi heavy or void rays.