Imperial Knights - an Army Overview in 9th Edition 40K

[@CynicalReviews]

As a new Knight player seeing the T'au Railgun announcement: *Chuckles* "I'm in danger!"

[@MobileBytesTV]

Better hope you have a Crusder and go first

[@paramite67]

don't worry not everyone plays tau, and not all tau play this tank

[@captaintitus5899]

@@TheGubmint 3

[@prava163]

Not really, they would need 3 to have a chance of killing a single of your tanks... and they would die in return for sure.

[@adamb5486]

@@prava163 Yes. but no. two tanks a turn can kill a knight or leave it only with 4 wounds or less. Which is extremely easy to pick up from there. Also GW announced the rail gun isn't even going to be the strongest weapon and there will be multiple weapons with more damage output. And another thing to note is the tanks can hide and not be shot while destroying knights due to how obscuring works.

[@Queldonus]

The comments section summarized: "I love this faction, I hope their book gives them as much love as other factions got" & "I have seen the Tau railgun preview and have abandoned all hope in any and all armor, no need to read the rest of their codex."

[@sc149]

Time for knights to get Super Invaulnrable saves. "Ion Shields are now Void Shields and absorb xd6 damage worth of attacks every turn, without rolling to save, then must be rolled to be rotated/repowered" or something.

[@FenrirFrostborn]

Dont play against tau

[@invadervim9037]

It's all about the railgun until a knight gallant outflanks and charges it.

[@dylancondie805]

@@invadervim9037 it's all about the railgun until you save it on a 50/50 with your 4+ invuln

[@invadervim9037]

@@dylancondie805 very likely if I don't make the charge. But a gallant can be on the enemy board edge 9 inches from the enemy turn one. Then with the land strider warlord trait it gets +2 to its charge roll.

[@ChroniclerKael]

One of my biggest quandries was viability of allying a knight with something. Mostly since I personally don't like running only large mechs, I like having some boots on the ground.

[@Wildcat425B]

That's what Armigers are for!

[@ChroniclerKael]

@@Wildcat425B Yeah, but I mean non mechanized. And other than just Ad mech, because with certain rules you can just take them with admech. Even if it cost more cp I'd burn cp to put it with imperial guard, sisters, etc etc.

[@Ghislain82]

I really want to run Chaos Slaneesh knight with some noise marines. No idea how competitive it is but I would love the narrative of it

[@frizzank]

Imperial Guard, Battle Sisters, and AdMech work well.

[@Bigglenndaddy]

Ad mech

[@NightfireGamingYT]

Knight armies just look amazing, especially at higher point values.

[@myhearn]

I've been having fun with my 2k list, House Vulker, Knight valiant with sainted ion and Adamantium Knight, knight crusader with extra warlord trait blessed by the sacristans on the Gatling cannon and with battle cannon and rocket pod, then knight errant. Then a 3cp cost vanguard detachment of all 4 of the assassins. The knights get to keep their new obsec because the assassins don't make them lose it. Deploying the vindicare and culexus out with the knights, revealing the callidus and eversor on their back line and advancing with the errant and using full tilt turn one and then saturation bombard on the crusader. Spicy, a bit meme and very swingy.

[@darthbucket1]

Absolutely love the Valiant, seems like a pretty spicy build too

[@darko-man8549]

Does anyone feel that knights should be similar to inquisitors: Pay 1CP maybe 2 to include them and they don’t remove “only faction buff”

[@cousinzeke4888]

People actually use the only faction restrictions?

[@surtrpicks]

Interesting, do the adepyus mechanics have something like that? Would make lots of sense for them.

[@jimmysmith2249]

@@cousinzeke4888 You and your group don't? Interesting. What kind of allied forces are people using? I wish there were folks like you guys around my area.

[@cousinzeke4888]

@@jimmysmith2249 My friend and I play a bunch of house rules. I run a small group of Adepta Sororitas alongside Black Templars, purely for fluff reasons although I've cooked up a brutal combo with them. Six bladeguard with +2 attacks, always assault doctrine, rerolling hits and wounds, canoness behind them dishing out fights last and turning off all invulns in six inches. I've always found it silly how strictly people stick to the rules. It's a toy soldier game, the rules are what we say they are. Of course you can't screw around in tournaments, which I know this channel is geared towards, but in casual games? Go nuts.

[@AnarexicSumo]

@@surtrpicks Yeah, AdMech does and Mettalica has a better version if you pick House Raven. It costs CP though in addition to the 3-6 CP it costs to take a knight.

[@vulkhanasennet9961]

As a Questor Mechanicus Freeblade player who has been playing 1 Preceptor and 6 Armigers Since 8th I honestly am super happy about the new Armiger rules.

[@Illiadofmalorne]

Looking forward to seeing 2 hammerheads pick up a knight each turn from behind obscuring.

[@magearamil8626]

XD best retard-rule-combo so far for sure XD XD XD

[@matjov]

That's sure to end up being a fun game 😑

[@ShadowGhost0117]

I’ve already got 2 hammerheads so I’m definitely going to try it out at some point

[@DROSIFICTION]

@@ShadowGhost0117 not against me you’re not lol

[@frankloun2496]

*laughs in volcano lance*

[@jacobthedervonian4778]

My question is what are GW going to do to improve the Knights odds against the Codex creep we are seeing? I suggest bringing back the Castellan to pre-nerf 8 edition power.

[@Illiadofmalorne]

I'm guessing we may see some point cuts in Chapter Approved, but honestly I expect knights to get very little until their codex which might be up to a year away.

[@FlyingNinjaish]

8 wounds per phase cap, maybe?

[@Khalith]

Remove the random shots on our guns. Make the invuln apply in melee across the board. Lastly give us some secondaries that are worth a damn.

[@frostedbutts4340]

@@Khalith These seem pretty fair

[@frostedbutts4340]

@@FlyingNinjaish This always seemed like a lame bandaid to me and not really logical. You stand a Knight / Primarch etc in front of a whole army.. they're not going to stop shooting

[@davidthomas2870]

I imagine knights are going to not enjoy the new rail gun profile that got previewed for tau. That looks like itll hurt a fair bit

[@adamb5486]

Yep.....I'm not happy about it.

[@Adept24]

There was that little part at the end of the article mentioning that the rail gun isn't the most powerful gun the T'au now have 😊

[@navysealinguardiantank2679]

Not many tau players use the tank that use the gun

[@davidthomas2870]

@@navysealinguardiantank2679 cant one or two of the battle suits carry one of those?

[@RevanR]

I think Knights can improve when they got support unit like infantry serf and variants of armiger

[@benhadaway3322]

Something like a "goliath" from StarCraft. Smaller than Armiger, bigger than a Centurion. Put them on 50mm bases

[@robouteguilliman6662]

Maybe a specialist detachment that lets them take a block or two of conscripts without a regimental doctrine. A regular old Infantry squad might work better actually, just objective holders.

[@AcornPlays]

Wouldn't it defeat the point of a Knights army if you have to take infantry to make them good?

[@RevanR]

@@AcornPlays support infantry like repair team

[@alphadeltaroflcopter]

@@robouteguilliman6662 or make the titan guard units apart of the knight army. Not a hard change considering they hardly interact with the admech army in the first place.

[@Killerzerg117]

Personally I think a psyker knight would be really cool, maybe even get a new model ( that's not an over priced resin forge world one ) special designed for a psyker knight.

[@jimmysmith2249]

I like this idea. I would be down to face a knight psyker.

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

I see what you’re getting at, but currently you can make a chaos knight count as a psyker that knows smite, so technically there is a way to make a psyker Knight, but I think you’re looking for a Knight that has multiple powers, and whatnot.

[@Killerzerg117]

@@chaosjimthevoidlord3762 I only have imperial knight so I didn't know that. That's pretty cool that chaos knights have that option but yes I do want a more focused psyker knight with multiple powers, where it's throne mechanicum would be specialized to enhance the powers of the psyker piloting the knight.

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

@@Killerzerg117 yeh, that sounds really cool. I like the idea of a full psyker Knight. It would bring another dimension of secondaries and abilities to the Knight faction.

[@psykerskek3067]

Look up a Psi-Titan, maybe they’ll design a knight version

[@Travio247]

I think there are quite a few issues with knights still: overcosted, brackets, obscene damage output opponents and secondaries are extremely limited. They need an invun in combat, -1 damage, points reduction and at least allow them to take secondaries in the same catagory

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

Knights need a major revamp for 9th edition. As it stands they are basically a relic of older editions in the way they play, the balance dataslate helped a bit but knights won’t be satisfactory until they get new rules for 9th. They don’t quite feel like the knights they should be.

[@AlexHernandez-ee5hd]

Hawkshroud gives you "machine spirit resurgent" for every knight, for free.

[@eicha41624]

Knights look rad as hell, which is their strongest suit

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

Gun wise, probably a castellan, with the volcano lance, or some other Knight with good weapon profiles. Point wise, probably one of the many different questoris pattern knights, I don’t know I play chaos I only have a tyrant which is a dominus pattern, and some wardogs which are armiger pattern knights that are used as support for CSM. I couldn’t tell you what is definitively the strongest unit, but I’d bet the dominus pattern knights are up there.

[@eneaceribelli8023]

I mean, you don't need tactical planning when you roll around with a Giant Harpoon and swing your target as a wrecking ball Now THAT is style

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

@@eneaceribelli8023 Exactly.

[@PlasticAddict301]

There are three types of people today: “Holy fuck the railgun is so broken why why why” “Thank Christ my army might be good soon” “Lmao that shit folds to my army in seven different ways”

[@AnarexicSumo]

I'd take the top 2 but am curious what Tau are weak to. Crisis suits are going to be deepstriking with 81 - 216 auto-hitting shots and flamestars are going to be moving up to 40" dropping 12-36 auto-hits. Broadsides are going to easily be able to 1v1 their points worth of assault terminators even in melee and Hammerheads make back their points 64% of the time vs T7 and 50% of the time T8 in a single shooting phase before markerlights, upgrades, FtGG, or Kauyon.

[@PlasticAddict301]

@@AnarexicSumo where are you getting your math??

[@PlasticAddict301]

@@AnarexicSumo and what makes you think Broadsides do anything in melee??

[@eneaceribelli8023]

@@PlasticAddict301 There was a preview for battlesuit rules on warhammer community not so long ago. Summarized it was:"Battlesuit can shoot in the combat phase but only against the unit which is fighting in melee" People lost their mind about it, saying that tau now won't have the melee weakness that characterised them. The usual cycle of "New Rule = BrOkEn!!1!1!" by part of the community

[@PlasticAddict301]

@@eneaceribelli8023 yeah, the people are assuming broadsides will survive a turn if charged. Not likely and a waste of points to play them that way.

[@NornQueenKya]

I just think of dbz abridged when freeza is punching vegeta in the kidneys. Rail gun shot, rail gun shot, rail gun shot ... and pauuuuse Rail gun shot, rail gun shot, rail gun shot

[@UnsolicitedContext]

I understand the balance issues w allowing unlimited allying but I kind of think they would benefit from addressing that a little bit more. I think something like characters or formations changing the restrictions on them might be a good way to handle it. Like a tech priest character as WL changes the rules for allying them in or something.

[@coltonlong7562]

Yes, finally, my boys!

[@deeperestmeme479]

*excited to see my boys getting attention* *looks left and sees Tau railguns* :(

[@ComplexConcept]

Perfect! I just bought my first box of armigers and I can't decide which knight to get, this should help!

[@varethiustariel]

Literally just ordered my Castellen, very excited for this vid, very scared of the new T'au railgun xD

[@varethiustariel]

Running a Freeblade list, Castellen, Preceptor, Magera, 3x Moirax's. The re-roll 1's from the Preceptor on the Lightning locks really helps with those exploding 6's.

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

Just shoot the hammerhead with your own massive gun of mass destruction, the tank won’t even know what hit it.

[@boutinpowered8373]

I keep thinking about grabbing some knights for my Night Lords but it always comes back to them being a flip flop force. Either they stomp, or they have no win condition.

[@dragomusic4907]

I got one for my Night Lords, and while I probably won't play it in non-narrative games, it fits my head cannon and looks cool so I like it.

[@boutinpowered8373]

@@dragomusic4907 don't forget to add raptors to the surface of the mech, maybe a berserker between its feet

[@marbledgold0605]

As long as we don't get hit with a Tau railgun we are fine...

[@Wolfphototech]

Imperial knight stomps in . Tau rail gun goes burrr .

[@TheLoith]

I only started playign recently. I wish i had picked Knights. I started Tau and lost for months. Tried orks and now wish i just went Knights. They are just so cool.

[@dwhisper79]

A great video to watch as I'm sitting here building my first Crusader ;)

[@andrewpearce6624]

Great listen dude, thank you. Hope you’re going to do a Chaos Knight one of these off the back of this one.

[@ka1juhunt3r]

This is clearly in response to the overpowered railgun, my only hope is that questor mechanicus can get some bonuses whilst being a knight of the cog detachment.

[@Pers0n97]

Knights (and Titans) are units that should get a better damage structure, something like the Jacks for Warmachines, or the Mecks of Battletech, or just GW very own titans in Titanicus, where instead of just having a huge HP pool they have parts that can be damaged, and see their performance diminish more organically (your left arm is destroyed, your leg is blown off, etc etc) rather than what they are right now. It's a more complex system, but one that would work perfectly fine for an army that usually only have 4 or 5 models.

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

It would certainly make knights feel more organic, and probably make them more viable, but it’s a massive change in the normal structure of the 40k rules that I don’t think people would take it too well. I feel like it would be a good change, but I would have to readjust to a completely different damage system.

[@JackJohnson-zh9ul]

would love to see an updated version of your allied knight guide. just a general overview of how it works, and what you'd recommend bringing

[@Tecnodoc32]

From the book. "Each time this model makes a Normal Move, Advances or Falls Back, it can be moved across other models (excluding MONSTER and VEHICLE models) as if they were not there, and when it does it can be moved within Engagement Range of such models, but cannot finish its move within Engagement Range of any of them." So now you have the option of killing the knight, or lose.

[@andrewvawter4830]

BTW I got 8th in New Orleans unfortunately, not 4th.

[@thecmoose4754]

I saw the Freeblade rules nine months ago and immediately knew they'd be good. I'm building a five blade Lance and have had a ton of fun the whole time.

[@odo27epic-cage83]

Auspec tactics never surprise me each army I begin boom another video about them!

[@Haiphong778]

It's always felt wrong for me that Knights are their own separate army. It's an Imperium Battle Mech... Why do they register as separate? To me it's like saying all Tanks are in their own army, or all Aircraft should have their own army. I love to see a Knight striding alongside other Imperial armies into battle, but for a lot of armies they lose access to powerful mechanics so you can't just mix one in :c (Sometimes me and my friends House-Rule that Knights can attach to Imperial armies without causing that rule interaction c: )

[@quangnguyentrung647]

man I wishes there are players like that in my area

[@Haiphong778]

@@quangnguyentrung647 Many fun ways to play can occur if you're lucky enough to make friends with someone to play with c:

[@quangnguyentrung647]

@@Haiphong778 where and how can you get players like that?

[@blazingfire90034]

Yes! Thank you Auspex!

[@nisten006]

Knights are obscenely powerful in my experience. Nothing in the game can kill them fast enough. They can blast away any anti tank you try to bring while having the wounds to keep any objective they want.

[@RockerBoy20045]

I love Imperial Knight models and have a Crusader that I sometimes add to a list with my Blood Angels or Custodes.. but usually the price you pay for adding them (CP, Doctrines) is absolutely too high. Their guns aren't that great either, very swingy when it comes to the amount of shots, etc. Hopefully they will update the rules soon to make them a bit nicer to add to armies or to make them more competitive.

[@jimmysmith2249]

Someone up higher in the comments said something similar, and I agree. Then again, as one guy pointed out: "You guys still use that rule?" Maybe something to house-rule in your own friends group.

[@jayalan792]

Ah cool I started the game and the coolest looking faction is about to get a new codex! Nice!

[@jackcanox4015]

New railgun 12 MORTAL WOUNDS go BRRRRRRRRRRR

[@matjov]

You haven't read the rules, have you?

[@jackcanox4015]

@@matjov i did my comment was hyperbolic of course XD but not so far from the truth since d3+6 and 3 mortals in case you wound when your attack is ap-6 and ignores invulns...unless it doesn't wound it's a guaranteed 10 to 12 damage that u can't do much against...

[@matjov]

@@jackcanox4015 I getcha 😉 aye, ridiculous, GW certainly appear to have some utter turnip heads employed in their rules department.

[@muninrob]

@@matjov Does Number of Shots no longer cap the number of models you can kill in one firing? 1shot high damage is a really swingy way to say "fuck that model in particular" Now, if you don't mind I have to be going now. *explodes single ripper with rail rifle, starts running*

[@matjov]

@@muninrob it can easily pop a Dreadnought each turn. I'd say that's getting your points worth....

[@elijahlovejoy5438]

Weakness 6: won’t be able to fight Tau

[@MaggieMop]

Rip, well it was fun while it lasted for ..... 3 weeks

[@elijahlovejoy5438]

@@MaggieMop I was getting ready to build a knight list and now it’s gotta go on hold. Unless Hammerheads are like 300+ points it’d be futile to fight them.

[@adamb5486]

@@elijahlovejoy5438 hahaha yeahhhhh no. They will be under 200 points. Likely around 150-170 at most.

[@stevecollins9650]

They'll make rail guns only hit on 5+ I bet.

[@adamb5486]

@@stevecollins9650 hahaha I’ll bet against you.

[@Hokum80]

Big fan of your videos! Any chance you could do something similar for the more heretical Knight fans amongst us?

[@Billa2720]

Just what I was looking for. Lately I have been thinking about big stompy robots. A rbig change from my orks.

[@eneaceribelli8023]

So many tin-kanz, so many pozzibl' Stompas...

[@I_am-lost.]

(For both ck and ik) Honestly I think we need unique abilities for each knight giving them a bit more consideration on what to bring. Also I'd say serfs and cultists that can function similar to scions I'd also say having some kind of legion command that grants powerful buffs to the knight stuff like high king kinda stuff.

[@cephalonbob15]

So house taranis is now mandatory vs Tau... fun times indeed

[@magearamil8626]

Yeah, but still saving, what 1 to 2 damage from 12 WOUNDS isn't really all that helpful....

[@gandalfthegay420]

A repair armiger would be beautiful...

[@mattallen5470]

Unpopular opinion. I don’t think the tau rail gun is that scary, always have to wait for the codex to come out before reacting. I think also that the crusader is massively under valued. For a bit more points the amount of fire power it puts out is very strong.

[@maliceharding4668]

I'm in the same place as you as the rail gun still has to hit and I was killing 4 hammerheads a turn last edition with my knights.

[@AnarexicSumo]

It's not as bad vs knights because hammerheads are still not very survivable and knights are some of the few models in the entire game that can take 2+ hits and titanic rules give you flexibility in the movement phase that no other army can boast. Overall the railgun is going to be devastating as it has tons of ways to avoid missing or getting multiple hits per turn and costs a fraction of anything that it competes with for long range damage.

[@ronnyrdr6553]

This video coming up so soon after the T'au Railgun adjustments seems more like bullying then an information video XD

[@stephencrabtree3338]

Finally a recent perspective on knights

[@Xenos_hive]

I just play ad mech and have 2 warglaives as distraction carnifexes, they r big they r mean ur gonna shoot at them but the dunecrawlers r more threatening BUT if u don't kill them they will shred their targets.

[@Wyvirnn]

I'd argue that Stranglehold and Grind them Down are Knight's secondary objectives, even if they weren't in the codex per se.

[@pachi2800]

need more info on house Griffith

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

Hot take, just double the amount of wounds Knights have, give them reliable weapons, some actual secondaries, a feel no pain save, and a few extra tweaks for counter play and flavor and customization purposes and we’re good. Don’t actually, that would be stupid.

[@eneaceribelli8023]

How many wounds have knights right now?

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

@@eneaceribelli8023 24-30 depends on the knight.

[@Lykandras]

Railgun incomming -> Knights = pick your models up the army

[@captaintitus5899]

thank you!

[@DustyPazner]

WG need to make the new edition for everyone before they drop it. Playing the old codex armies is painful.

[@Instar_nine]

tau have rail guns in these units with different strengths that will ignore inv saves Xv88s hammerheads tigershark kx139 supremacy armour a x 5 2 barracuda Tidewall gun rig with massive heavy rail gun tiger shark manta recon unit has a rail rifle Armies like Knights Drukhari Harlequins and Daemons that rely on inv saves and have stuff all armour are screwed

[@SarajevoKyoto]

They probably won't all ignore invulns, definitely not Pathfinders or Broadsides. Gonna deal lots of Mortals though

[@anthraxcrab2222]

Can you do a video going more in depth for chaos knights

[@Knightstruth]

I just got into the game. I really like the knights but also want to see some boots on the ground ya know? Think a knight or two would pair well with Guardsmen instead of using tanks?

[@venkelos6996]

I don't think I would ever want to build an army of JUST Knights, but they feel like they should make great additional detachment options to several armies. It could be fun to see them among the Guard, Astartes, or Adepta Sororitas. I still really wish that, with the Dark Angels being effectively space knights, that they had had a house associated with them. Oh well. It might also be neat to know what is effective against them, if you know they pop up in your meta often.

[@AlexHernandez-ee5hd]

I'm going to bet this video was made before the Tau announcements that make knights unplayable again.

[@MrKehoeOUT]

I think knights arw in a good spot finally. Some new secondaries and point changes will be nice but i dont want them ever be the best army. When knights are the best army it really polarizes the game.

[@jimmysmith2249]

But that is what gw does with every army that comes out. The codex creep is becoming codex leap.

[@stormycatmink]

I'm really curious about the math statistics for the Maghera and Styrix. I've always liked Volkites, but the numbers here make me feel like the lightning gun out performs. The Volkite, however, has a bit more strength and AP, so it makes it hard to judge without doing some deeper mathhammer.

[@alphadeltaroflcopter]

They styrix is just a handicapped megera. I've run both several times and the mortal wounds will never come close to the potential wounds you can get in with the megera. Even when wounding on 5s.

[@stormycatmink]

@@alphadeltaroflcopter I found some more in depth calculators and came to a similar conclusion. As much as I normally love the style of Volkite weapons, it just doesn't hold a candle to the lightning cannon. In a few scenarios it was close to matching the Maghera, but in every other, it fell short.

[@brettgreen5044]

Anyone happen to know what type of army the 4th place tournament guy lost against?

[@andrewvawter4830]

Drukari coven list.

[@01oo011]

Castigator and Lancer!

[@FlyingNinjaish]

RIP to these guys with the new Tau rules.

[@kevincastrillon6675]

I wonder why you didn't mention the Morirax Grav cannon weapons option. Lighting locks seem more bang for your buck with shots. But the Gravitation Pulsar D6 shots Str6 AP3 and dam2 with added damage to 3 with anything with armor 3 or better...... one shot Marine in Gravis armor killers and some regular bikers is all I'm saying.

[@adamb5486]

It because they're really not worth it. You're averaging 7 shots, 4 hits and 2 wounds. Which will kill 2 models. But they could pop some strats or be in cover and change the math to only 1 dead model. So overall it will never out damage a Lightning lock. Especially across a tournament.

[@TheMalthas]

I actually play a pair with the conversion beamer for back line support. The look on their faces when they find out that their long range or support unit at the back of the table is still in danger.

[@Eevee3541]

I just started making an imperial knights army.

[@liamwants2animate269]

So are you allowed to mix and match different knight weapons with the different models?

[@jondavidgriffin]

"Imperial Rail magnets"

[@danuk459]

Its a shame the best looking Knights (Cerastus and Acastus class) are the worst of the list. Love my lancer but its a shame he can't really do anything unless vs other knights (Which is rare). Really hoping the new book gives them a nice healthy boost. (Points drop or increase in Wounds is required I think)

[@adamb5486]

The codex will not change his points or datasheet. That will need to come from the forgeworld book.

[@harrisonlorens3585]

Unfortunately the Forge World models will not be getting any adjustments from the new Imperial Knights book. That would require a new FW update, which I’m not sure they will do for this edition. I agree that the Cerastus are the coolest Knights. I wish they were better, too.

[@danuk459]

Sorry, bad sentence structure :D I was meant to put the "Really hoping the new book gives them a nice healthy boost" on a new line in reference to entire Knight range itself, not just Cerastus and Acastus. As sadly I know that they're probably never going to change for a couple of years at least

[@girlhunter2102]

Are we considering chaos knights equal/the same?

[@Sierra0331]

I always assumed knights were basically support units that you’d choose one to bring as an attachment to your real army.

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

I’ve only been able to occasionally bring a Knight tyrant as support for my CSM army, and it’s pretty good as a support gun platform. I’m trying to expand into more knights so I can have more options, and I’m pretty sure mono knights aren’t all that bad, in casual play at least.

[@morgymomo8535]

I may or may not have purchased 2k points of knights in the past month

[@grimlj]

would a relic that give you the rule to not take more then a 3rd of your wound if it stay on a objective

[@jothewerewolf]

I can tell I'm a relative newcomer when people say "Knights were good" and my immediate reaction is that they're lying. The idea of Knights being better than average, or more than a tagalong side-detatchment is just wild to me.

[@AnarexicSumo]

Yeah 8th Ed had way less focus on objectives and much more focus on just blowing your opponent off the table turn 1. Most lists were A LOT less survivable as well, so being able to eat 24 wounds and threatening 50" to 90", and lists had way fewer CP so they just had to sit and take it.

[@cigman777]

Is souping a knight or two with admech any good?

[@Grithertime]

I'm sorry , but after the Tau Railgun, Marine and Guard Anti-tank looks weak. Lascannons d6 dam? Rapid fire battle cannon... Meh... Between Dark Lances and Cognis weapons... Needs a buff? Or am I missing something?

[@matjov]

I wonder whether the FW Knights will be rebalanced when the new Codex is released?

[@adamb5486]

Unless forgeworld drops an entirely new book at the same time, then no it will not happen.

[@nukethenatelore]

are u gonna do one on chaos knights?

[@Lord_Nielsen]

Unless each knight has 2+ save 4+ invulnerable, 5+ shrug base they ain’t going to be around long! And then they need half damage relics etc.

[@jimmysmith2249]

Yup. The lethality of this game is cranked to 11.

[@chaosjimthevoidlord3762]

I agree, Knights need to be more tanky, they don’t feel like what they should be, they die too easily. They should be massive, nigh indestructible, war machines of mass destruction, that require a weapon such as a rail gun to even pose a threat to them. But no, that upsets game balance, and so the knights are little more than glorified tanks with legs.

[@surtrpicks]

What is a “skew” list?

[@Tyresiax]

Then, the new Railgun. The end.

[@MrTrenttness]

🔥🎸🔥

[@andrew3606]

What knights need is better defense

[@AndrBR0]

Their only weakness is new Tau Railgun(despite everything else)

[@martinfrancis4606]

Can you do the same for chaos knights?

[@rodneygaul2227]

He plays loyalist knights

[@sweetssandbox3526]

Knighth Edition

[@Anonnymouse53]

tHeY AreNt RoBoTs!!111

[@Shane-br8xh]

I haven’t watched the vid yet. Still watching commercials. But honestly I feel bad when I play against knights. I’ve never lost against them and it feels bad beating the same people over and over because he chose a bad army.

[@jimmysmith2249]

What kind of lists are you playing? If you are playing tooled up net-lists, then yeah you are going to beat them. But if you try out other units in your codex for a different play style, and less optimized, you might find some fun and challenging games. I don't know what the meta is where you are, but here it is optimized net-lists (and variations of) for everything, including friendly crusade games.

[@zarzalia]

you should be able to take secutarii

[@livingghost7975]

Soup machines

[@michaeljones7916]

Knights should only be models added to another faction like Blood angels or Space wolves or even Ultramarines