Imperial Knights in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition - Full Index Rules, Datasheets and Launch Detachment

[@auspextactics]

CORRECTIONS: - Unyielding Paragon can't be used on the 2+ save Dominus Knights as it has to target Questoris - still strong for them though! - Squire's Duty for 1CP is more powerful than how I initially (mis)read it - it's two or MORE armigers, so you could focus fire with 4+ helverins or something into one key target if desired. There's also technically no targeting restriction for the buff, though the intent seems clear that the extra damage is supposed to be against their nominated target. I'd strongly expect that to be fixed in an FAQ/Errata. Thanks to those who pointed out the errors!

[@ResonanceSD]

How did you get to "max 6" armigers? Since there are three datasheets with battleline, you can take 6 of each type :D

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Thank you for continue making this content!

[@MasterfulKane]

And yet, we still be buffing 4-5 armigers and slaying with 0 accountability haha

[@The_Green_Ghost]

2:30 in the Italian translation of the Index, there's no ambiguity. It uses the plural form of "throws" to refer to how many rerolls you can make, therefore it is ALL rolls of 1, not just a single 1.

[@agentkronos6438]

God, if gw start selling Imperial and Chaos knights here in Italy i will definetly enter in the miniature side of the hobby (and probably say no no after seeing the price)

[@Archangel4500000]

Note that Squires Duty says 2 or MORE Armigers, this means you can pick one target and fire every armiger you have into it with the buff. Good way to eliminate the enemy warlord.

[@davidsarram5126]

Auspex tactics didn't do a good job talking about this beng THEvbest snd most important Stratagem that every knight player worth thier salt should be using EVERY turn... definitely NOT situational

[@Dantevonlocke]

Technically it doesn't even say you have to target that enemy.

[@zoltanlukacs5059]

@@Dantevonlocke It does specify ONE enemy unit as a target: "Target: Two or more Armiger models from your army and one enemy unit that is an eligible target for all of those Armiger models"

[@leSmokySmoke]

@@zoltanlukacs5059 its terribly worded.. what justin was saying I think, is that you can technically also target other enemy models still. you just need to target one enemy, and every armiger tha can see and shoot that enemy technically just gets the buff. there is no restriction on the armigers only beeing allowed to target that enemy, and furthermore dont even say you only get the buff against that enemy..

[@zoltanlukacs5059]

@@leSmokySmoke Yeah, rereading it again, the Effects part kind of nullifies the Target part... Hope they will FAQ it soon. I also play Knights, I would only use it for one target.

[@ianhorne2884]

I for one, welcome our new robot overlords

[@trollwholivesu7258]

I also like necrons

[@Johnny350Z]

@@trollwholivesu7258 thats a wild cope you just did.

[@hk2741]

Before this edition, I resolved myself to play my Knights no matter how bad they were. My piousness has been rewarded by good rules and points for knights

[@keithsimpson2150]

BattleTech has already been out for 40yrs

[@ElliePixyPixy]

The Omnissiah is pleased by your devotion. I foresee a functioning toaster in your future.

[@yaroslaf3060]

I wanted to leave a small comment about the Lay Low the Tyrant rule. I agree that this needs to be FaQ, as is poorly written. There are reasons to interpret either as "one" or "all". We had been interpreting it as "all" for a few reasons: A) as a minor reason, the Paladin knight have himself a similar rule and specifies ONE. B) and as a mayor reasons, we checked other languages index. Spanish, French and Italian say either "all" or a plural "the", making it very clear that the intention is to reroll all ones.

[@caboose2900]

Unyielding Paragon would be great on a Dominus... If it didn't say Questoris only. Also the Squire's Duty strat doesn't specify what you have to shoot at, so currently as long as two armigers can see the same thing, they can use it and shoot at whatever. Obviously I don't think this is intended and have been running it like you have to shoot at the visible target.

[@Djorin]

Yep, that's something that has come up in the last game. They have just to see the same unit, otherwise they can open fire on anything on the board and get the bonus.

[@Nilmur2]

For 1 CP, Squire's Duty will definately get changed to that target.

[@auspextactics]

Thanks for the corrections, will post in a pinned correction comment above!

[@thavard6343]

Still new to the table top, but the concept of ," The big Knights can shoot back is oppressive." Is odd to me. It doesn't seem fun if an enemy could just constantly shoot at me , but I can't shoot back with my big plasma gun because they are in cover.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

Knight are just a problematic army to balance. They are hard to kill and shoot good, it can easily just be a case of your opponants knights walking across the board deleting your units, especially if they can see everything all the time.

[@EllipticalReasoning]

Obviously you've got a point - the counterbalancing fact is that the knights have much better toughness/saves for their points cost than other armies, in large part because they're expected to be disadvantaged in the terrain game.

[@bulldozer8950]

Knights just tend to represent the absolute extreme of a problem that exists so people can dislike playing against them. If all of your profiles are pretty similar to each other, that makes a lot of the enemies weapons ineffective because they’re shooting against a profile that’s not optimal. Anti infantry weapons that don’t have any anti infantry to shoot at are generally very poor against tanks because of low damage, ap, and strength, and anti tank weapons against infantry often barely do anything as well because they have a fairly few number of shots. Generally you need to take both, because if you have zero anti tank weapons for instance if you happen to play against someone with tanks you will have a really tough time. So similarly, generally it’s smart to lean into one or two general range of profile- if you have only very light infantry or heavy monsters like a tyranid list might have, any weapons between pure infantry killing and anti tank will likely be a lot less valuable than they could be if they were shooting the optimal enemy type. Ideally you even lean into one, if you run basically all light infantry for tyranids then anti tank is gonna basically be wasted. Now here’s where knights are a problem, they’re by definition basically all heavy tank profiles. So they have the advantage of being pretty much one profile (it’s a slight range, but for the classifications of guns it’s basically only “heavy tank”). But on top of that it’s tank, not infantry. All light infantry armies can be problematic for the same reason, but it’s generally less bad- light weapons are pretty common so even if you’re not preparing to fight a light infantry army you’ll probably have enough that it’s manageable but still challenge to overcome. It’s somewhat hard to build a list that has such little ability to deal with light infantry it gets demolished by a swarm lost. By contrast, anti tank is generally a premium and has to be intentionally chosen, and anti infantry is often even less valuable into tanks than anti tank is into infantry. So if your army is a little light on anti tank, not literally nothing but enough that you might struggle with a somewhat heavily armored list, you’ll often get wrecked by knights because you just can’t do any damage. In pure competitive this might not be as big of deal because scoring is ultimately what wins, and you can win without killing very many enemy models, but for casual games it can be hard where people aren’t as focused on scoring, and from a fun perspective if you’re a somewhat casual player it can just suck to not be able to kill any of your enemy units. This is the problem that exists for knights, and why people often want to err on the side of “the knights can go get fucked” rather than the knights should be strong, it can both be a significant balance issue but can also be unfun to play against. Obviously the flip side exists as well, knights are balanced around the idea that they’re essentially immune to like 2/3 of the enemies shots most likely, so if someone knows you’re playing knights, or just happens to bring tons of anti tank, they’ll absolutely destroy knights because they will simply have too much firepower for knights.

[@EllipticalReasoning]

17:30 With wargear no longer having a points cost and the huge number of typical points/model for knight, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of lists end up taking 'bad' enhancements because they end up being points that would otherwise be unspent.

[@rickkcir2151]

*knights getting super strong” *shard of the Void Dragon* “fine, I’ll do it myself”

[@davidcanty7903]

As a Chaos Knight player I am jealous of their faction abilities, and even angrier that they (and eldar) will get towering nerfed.

[@plagueofjoe]

Don't play gimmick armies? 🤷‍♂

[@emanueledibona5929]

@@plagueofjoe don't be one of the crybabies that cannot stand a fair rule?

[@neuromvncer]

I was a little disappointed they gave IK Mysterious Guardian; what was once CK's Warp-Borne Stalker

[@sutdetlogin]

You can't put Paragon on a Dominus. It's says so as the first sentence: Questoris model only.

[@anthonyreal1594]

Alternate use for tank shock: Charge an enemy screen, Ideally with 6w or less. You're aiming to get within 3 1/2" of the unit behind which is your real target - A Landraider / Troop Carrier / Dreadnought / Whatever flavour of hammer unit. Tank shock to make the screen unit asplode As your Knight isn't now in base to base contact with an enemy, pile in to your real target and mash it up.

[@monkeyhammer]

Also worth noting for army construction are imperial agents, an assassin to help take down the warlord for the army ability, or a cheap squad to hold a backfield objective are both useful and fill up the last few points more easily.

[@TehAsianator]

3 Lancers, 3 warglaives, and 2 Helverin works out to 2k exactly, and I have no idea how I would even attempt to deal with that...

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

So far it seems that Knights are second only to the Eldar in power rankings in 10th. Honestly didn't see that coming.

[@marbledgold0605]

After how Knights got power stomped into oblivion last edition, yeah I get that.

[@회멸]

knights? no. not CK

[@plagueofjoe]

they've done extremely well the majority of their existence as an army. Not sure why anyone would be surprised.

[@Thor8151990]

Eh I think oath of moment still bodies them

[@HaydenDoodles]

T sons would like to have a word or two

[@Saltism1]

Id love to have see a video of a comparison between Imperial Knights vs Chaos Knights in your usual style. I have played a few games now against space marines and as a CK player, failing Battle Shock rolls isnt happening as often as the rules would make CK comparible to the IK rules.

[@Unit-3D]

On the index card, the Helverin shooting attack is listed as "Armiger Autocannon," and conspicuously lacks the [Twin-Linked] keyword associated with other guns akimbo setups. The flipside of the card also specifies that each Helverin gets 2 Autocannon*s*, plural. Does this mean they get 2 * 4 shots, for a total of 8?

[@TehSEOULMAN]

Yeah, they survived the Twin-Linked sweep

[@CuriousLumenwood]

There’s a few vehicles that have 2 guns and aren’t twin-linked. The Land Raider Redeemer has 2 Flamestorm cannons. It means that yea, they get to keep the old rule of doubling their shots. I wouldn’t be surprised if GW didn’t intend for this to be the case and just missed a few things when they copied datasheets over for 9th.

[@h4ppyn00dl3b0y]

Yes. Gives you the option of selecting different targets with each gun.

[@fleetleader1013]

Was going to comment a correction but I saw you already have it. Well done as always sir. Your the best!

[@gearshift48]

mmmmmm those helverins with anti-fly 2 everything tau has is fly this won’t end well

[@AllThingsCubey]

Don't know why GW decided to completely destroy the Styrix and Magaera. Both datasheets were nerfed into complete un-usability, despite almost everything else in Knights being significantly buffed.

[@vortex594]

I disagree, they aren't amazing but they're still far from unusable.

[@AllThingsCubey]

@@vortex594 Excuse me? The Styrix had: Its main gun reduced from AP-3 to AP0. Grav reduced from AP-3 to AP-1. Rad cleanser lost half its shots, and was reduced from damage 3 to damage 1, whilst no longer wounding monsters/ mounted/ beasts basically whatsoever. How the hell can you look at such massive nerfs to a Knight that wasn't even particularly good in 9th, and go "yep, that seems totally fine to me." Can you read?

[@defeatedhusband1593]

​@@AllThingsCubey To be fair, they said they can find use for it. They didn't say it's statistics was not garbage. Frome how powerful are army is, the other Knights can carry the FW Questoris and it can still do decent shooting/damage but still not ideal in comparison to other Knights.

[@AllThingsCubey]

@@defeatedhusband1593 I disagree. I don't think even with how powerful Knights are, that the Styrix and Magaera datasheets can do meaningful damage to basically anything, relative to their costs. They're looking at killing 4-5 Marines a turn, right now, or around 10 Guardsmen equivalents. For a ~400pt model that's simply not good enough however you spin it. GW need to give both Knights some of their AP back, and make the rad cleanser damage 2 at minimum. They're utterly useless by comparison to the rest of the army with these datasheets.

[@defeatedhusband1593]

@@AllThingsCubey Ok. I guess you misunderstood but ok.

[@11jerans]

I’m hoping to see a points change as opposed to a rule change, because nothing was worse than being shot by infantry hiding in a building and not being able to shoot back.

[@jakestefano4118]

Same

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

You got your wish!

[@jakestefano4118]

@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom Ha unfortunately yes. Altho I run Gallants and warglaives so I'm still mostly happy!

[@Gnarlf]

Why do I now want to play 'pile high the tyrants'? The opponent has to field an army with Swarmy, walkrant, flyrant and neurotyrant. Then he picks one in secret. I get 15vp if it is the first one I kill, 12 if it's the second, 8 if it's the third and 3 if it's the fourth 😅

[@verigone2677]

Or bring in a Unit of Sentinels to Scout or some tempestus scions to tie up a backline unit... My favorite list I am looking at now leaves just enough room for 1 Assassin and 1 Imperial Agents unit (tons of choices). Really nice to have something to point directly at their warlord that isn't so easily targetable as well as a cannon fodder unit that you can drop in wherever you need it to screen a flank, cover a retreat, or tie up a combat unit long enough to wheel some fire support around.

[@ScholarAtArms]

RIP to Knight Errant giving advance & charge. House Griffith blitzkrieg was fun while it lasted.

[@boblarking9442]

As a Knights player coming into 10th, this was super helpful to hear your views. Thanks as always - your videos have been my go to source for reliable WH info for over a year, so thank you. I can't help but feel the Gallant is (arguably) the worst option here, considering he's effectively giving up a space (due to the two melee weapons which he can't use at the same time) for either the rapid fire battle cannon or the avenger gattling cannon - both of which pack such a punch!

[@EllipticalReasoning]

I've got exactly 0 experience on the tabletop, but I do want to point out the power of his bondsman ability with mysterious guardian - deep striking in a model with that melee profile and full hit rerolls is REALLY scary when he has a semi-reliable way to complete the 9" charge.

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

the reroll is all. remember it is made for slow rolling, where you roll one roll at a time, and this is the wording for rerolling them all, no discussion here. when it is only one reroll they use the word One in the sentence. BUT yes it should be only one reroll as it is way to strong.

[@andrewdonnelly4685]

@auspextactics you mentinon for Canis Rex that you can use his free stratagem per turn for comand point re-rolls but is that correct? Command point re-rolls states that the roll is the target of the stratagem, not the unit. So I don't think he can get free Command point re-rolls with the way his ability is written?

[@jackwilliams8393]

Space wolves in 10th would be awesome!

[@thelasteinherjar6115]

We bloody need it, can't figure out what list to build with the rout!

[@Djorin]

My first try in 10th yesterday. I knew I was going against IK, so brought like 3x Devs, full laser. Yeah, almost wiped turn 2, thanks to towering.

[@IsacCivil]

So you tried to build against his list and got tabled?

[@virus646]

Get better terrain, you should be able to hide from towering in certain spots on the table.

[@Djorin]

@@IsacCivil yeah... Just consider that the paladin RFBC vs a DevSquad ha 2d6+7 shots, S10, 3D. Can RR a 1. Can re-roll another dice as a paladin. Every failed save is a dead marine. Do your math. Pretty much the same with helverins.

[@Djorin]

@@virus646 It just a wrong iteration, that does not affect the rest of the units in the game if you think about it. And still... As soon I shoot a knight, the knight can shoot back at me.

[@DocStab]

Great breakdown! Here's hoping you do something similar for Chaos Knights.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Thank you for continue making this content!

[@WilliamSabio]

I for one love running armiger Warglaives in my Black Templar Iron Storm list

[@TemperingFaber3]

What could be a great knight to add to a sororitas army? I was thinking maybe a classic Canis Rex, cuz it's cheaper then most and it as utility even outside his army, or a Knight Valiant for the anti-tank missing from normal sisters. Maybe even a Castellan would be cool.

[@Nikkehansson]

Played two games against my mates the other day. They played DA and SM. I didn’t notice towering having any significant impact apart from maybe affecting how they deployed a bit, but we did play with large obscuring cliff formations as well as ruins. However… the overall efficiency of the army is off the charts for its points coat. We found the armigers to be more of an issue than the questoris knights in our games. Both games ended after my 2nd turn due to my mates being tabled . Admittedly neither of their lists were tailored to face knights but still. It was so unbalanced as to make me not want to play my knights until they’ve been balanced.

[@o8ooanarch]

I'm liking the look of Knights plus Vindicar for warlord hunting.

[@ZeroGamerAssassin]

I am glad for the knights glow up

[@Ghastly_Grinner]

This seemed like a no brainer for GW to make knights the 2nd faction every one plays the model count is low if they could get the price to a reasonable level they could sell like hotcakes for new players

[@agentafter206]

6:44 thats the kicker

[@someoneelse7695]

Thanks for the nice detailed look. I wish the titanic knight datasheets had their weapons organized by mounting point as opposed to alphabetically. Having been touched a bit by dark temptations, I was wondering whether you will do a direct comparison between the Imperial Knights and Chaos Knights once both videos are out. Just from reading through the indexes, I feel like the traitor knights drew the short stick this edition.

[@nunyabusiness7018]

would love more orks and knights content! Love ya

[@varethiustariel]

Currently playing knights ruling with "re-roll a single attack and wound roll of one" it feels like gw would FAQ it sooner if it was all 1's to hit and wound. Also, the last enhancement, Unyielding knight, I think? Is questoris only, and you mentioned putting it on a do minus, unless I misheard x

[@Hello-no7gm]

That's playing it wrong. It was confirmed to be all 1s.

[@KArchine]

​@Hello-no7gm where was it confirmed? I've been looking for a definite answer on that

[@f3r1x]

@@KArchine like everywhere?? all codex reported all 1 to hit and to wound ;D

[@terminatoruk4921]

One thing I do find odd is still applying the degrading profile at 33% wounds remaining on the biggest models. I know using 33% wounds has been the general trend in 10th, however, you'd think they'd keep a 2-tier 'checkpoint' starting at 50% wounds for knights or models over 20 wounds to gives factions that lack serious anti-tank to have some chance to at least reduce their effectiveness earlier in their lifespan. Still glad that knights have got a glow up and are to be feared 👍

[@benjaminbraghtley515]

awesome!!! finally the knights are stomping as they should!!!!!

[@tamarjaeger]

At 40:40 you said to just field your Knight Preceptor as Canis Rex. But how does WYSIWYG affect that? I have a fully magnetized Questoris ready to field, so I can just put the Las-impulsor + gauntlet on it. But outside of that it has none of the Canis Rex accessories (Helm, shield, banner) and the paintjob is completely different. Would it still be tournament legal for me to field my Questoris as a Canis Rex in that regard?

[@EllipticalReasoning]

Toward the end of ninth they basically said 'paint doesn't affect WYSIWYG' - I don't know about the accessories, though.

[@CrazedZombie]

Don’t know if the meta is the same for all areas of the world but in 8th edition it felt like two thirds of every tournament would be knight armies. I guess we’re doing that again.

[@h4ppyn00dl3b0y]

My 2000 point Knight army now has the option of running a Warhound Titan that I finally put together. 1100 points of shooty/stompy goodness. Those 1100 points are much better spent on Questoris and Armiger Knights (access to Code Chivalric rerolls of 1, bondsman abilities and feel no pain rolls), but showing up with a Warhound, a Questoris and 3 Armigers for a 2000 point game is just soooo tempting.

[@robclayton9612]

You’re only selected to shoot or fight once per phase. You can only reroll a single roll, not for every attack.

[@patykaarplegos6282]

Yes, been waiting for this. Hyped to hear what you have to say man. Glad my knights can finally shoot back at the pesky infantry, though it seems to have caused a lot of disagreement among the community.

[@adamlabelle6199]

Yeah, I feel the same way... "Yes, finally, we're a good all around army! But... Everyone hates us."

[@pavelleba]

I still have one question left. Do bondsman abilities act on questoris without armigers?

[@RevanR]

Transform and roll out!

[@Dementia55372]

So not only did knights get harder to kill, are allowed to benefit from area terrain features so basically always have cover, and can see over and through every terrain piece imaginable but they actually got cheaper. Wow, thanks GW.

[@神諭者莫哥]

Is lancer good enough? I want buy one to kill heavy infantry

[@adamtheninjasmith2985]

Thank you! My heart might be custodian but you can't help but be fascinated by the big stompy boys too.

[@KT-pv3kl]

Whelp... I guess I have to finally paint my knights ...

[@sparklespider1356]

Will we get a chaos knight version of this? 🙏

[@davidcox6454]

Can’t believe how cheap armiger are compared to just regular vehicles in other armies.

[@josegamez1862]

Finally!!! Thank you

[@dxpsumma383]

Lol, not sure why everyone is so afraid of knights. Never played them but I'd love to. With my guard and a drill commander, lasguns will autowound on a 5+ to hit. Tons of autoguns plus me and my friends use some actually obscuring terrain. If towering really bothers you so much, just build some different terrain! Apart from that, it's so easy to get cover, e.g. behind a statue or a barricade, with take cover guardsmen go up to a 3+ save so good luck clearing them out with a few knights...

[@weissraben4476]

I've had blobs of 20 DKoK with Psychic Barrier and 5+ FNP picked up by a couple of knights in one single shooting phase. You've never played against them /and it shows/.

[@dxpsumma383]

@@weissraben4476 skill issue, just roll higher

[@PandorableMae]

It’s sad to see this 6 months later as a new Knight player. Knights got big points increases, AND lost so much in the balance updates and erratas, since this video. I can only hope the January balance brings their points back down if they’re gonna nerf most of their abilities.

[@mikesminiatures921]

Got to love knights though dose this mean we can’t have a knight army and have space marines or guard Allies that army? Only one big knight or three baby knights that’s it then everyone else?

[@aaronf7703]

Considering getting a big boy knight for use within my Blood Angels and Imperial Guard. Thinking of Canis Rex at the moment. Would anyone else recommend something different?

[@Johnny350Z]

Allys are actually terrible if you want to remain even the slightest bit competitive. If you just play fluffy games with your bros then pick any of them you think look cool.

[@spellablename6099]

I have no practical experience for the game itself as I have not had enough money for full army, but I will say that unless you are going for a fancy spesific pose definatly magnetize the arms and carapace so you have the option to run it as another questoris knight if you wanted too. Additionaly, quick tip if you do end up magnetizing, make sure you buy realy strong magnets and use greenstuff and not hot glue.

[@Solarlicht]

Knights player here, don't limit yourself to one knight! Magnetize them to get a few options on how to field them. It might not be the most effective tactic but Canis Rex is perfect as an ally because his abilities are independently good without other knights (bondsman).

[@coltonlong7562]

Canis is pretty good. But all the cool kids are pulling their Acastus Knights off the shelf.... like me.

[@Johnny350Z]

@@coltonlong7562 the cool kids are also waiting for that plastic Cerastus kit. For my Knight army, allying is silly. 😂✌🏻

[@jakestefano4118]

I forsee the nerfbat in the near future.

[@DustunColeman]

Can I use moirax az either gmaive or helveein

[@shawnlamont3048]

I can't imagine there is an interpretation of "each" as "only" ... seems pretty specific to me.

[@Ravum]

It says "a hit roll" and "a wound roll" not "each"

[@emanueledibona5929]

@@Ravum it says AND not OR.

[@Ravum]

@@emanueledibona5929 I didn't say that it said "or". Maybe you replied to the wrong person.

[@bensemusx]

@@Ravumthat’s full rerolls. In 9E Vahl’s full reroll was written that way.

[@Dracobyte]

Let's gooo!!!

[@swinginjoe8477]

The phrasing on the “laylow the tyrant” seems like just 1 reroll. If it was multiple, it should’ve said like “reroll hit roll*s* of 1” not (Reroll A hitroll of 1)

[@argelfraster2]

Remember that although we roll everything all at once for convenience it's technically one roll at a time for like all 18 shots of a single gun. That's why it's worded badly. In other language translations of the index it clearly identifies as plural meaning all. How are they still so bad at this.

[@Ironfrenzy217]

Warden or Crusader. Got it.

[@hotcoldman9793]

Close enough to chaos knights for me lol

[@StimmBehr]

I'm frowning now. I love Knights and I don't want them to be broken, I'm going to be unfun for other players and no one will want to play with me. I don't want this.

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Canis Rex = how to massively under-cost a unit to sell the model.

[@simonmallet5212]

It should be a A SINGLE.. but there are more rules lawyers in 40k than actual lawyers in the real world..

[@Ogeidification]

No mini of mine can wound even an Armiger on a 4+ :C

[@Normandy42]

Glory in Honour! *BWAAAAAAAAAA*

[@Nick_Whiskey]

its crazy just how shit the preceptor is. i have one modeled with the chainsword and the rocketspear and im tempted to lop them off and fit the gauntlet to use as canis rex.

[@mau48310]

How am i supposed to take down something so large sheesh 😅

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Strong. Noble. Like a god of war. Avatar of mankind itself. I like my knights. Time to stop this hypocrites from inner sphere. For the clans!! Kxm… wrong universe.

[@Vulpine407]

Gotta be honest here. I just love the models. Really not interested in playing them in 40K. Much as I like the battlemechs in Battletech, these models beat the ever loving crap out of them in terms of visual esthetics. Seriously. These warmachines just scream "Ima gonna 'eff you up." The chaos knights are even better.

[@CataclysmDM]

Seriously overpowered.

[@D3cyTH3r]

Are knights the GW equivalent of 'pay2win'?

[@Haloister]

Lay Low the Tyrants is pretty clearly worded if you ask me "re-roll *A* hit roll of 1, and *A* wound roll of 1." so "A" singular, not "re-roll hit *ROLLS* of 1." plural

[@회멸]

Its because that goes to every each attack, which is stupid

[@kingkaiju6872]

They ruined magaera 😢 I can’t believe they just gutted my boy like that

[@chistosquisto9079]

I’m so pissed dude my favorite Knight aesthetically blows now

[@Tzar-TZ]

How are people missrrading lay low? Its clearly says A hit/wound roll of 1 each time its selected. I see this is clean and simple 1 rerroll of each

[@gyulajakab5852]

My interpretation of lay low the tyrant is one reroll of a 1 to hit and one reroll of a 1 to wound. This is because other units have their rules written as each time an attack is made as opposed to each time it shoots or fights. However I have no confidence that my attempt to understand the GW's use of language matches to their intent. Needs a FAQ.

[@KingWalter5419]

Bird

[@doctordoubledakka3939]

What the hell? Some factions got dunked on real hard, wtf is this? Has GW never made a 40k game b4?

[@troy6882]

Ask GW for necrons Tau or votonn titans 😉😊😃🤣😁5 Smile's

[@Tinytraveler]

The difference between the Chaos Knights and the Imperial Knights is disheartening, you end up playing Chaos Knights for lore and looks, you play Imperial Knights if you want to win. Hands down their rules are just better...

[@comeonnodont5569]

In 9th it was the opposite

[@Normandy42]

Or you could play what you think looks cool and enjoy painting. Knights have gone up and down since they released. Entire editions where you might as well not even get a Paladin, Errant, or Warden because a Crusader did their jobs better and Imperial Knight stomps were better than chainsword or thunderstrike gauntlet. Metas come and go. Your models are forever.

[@GreenSpleenSubmarine]

​@@Normandy42yep, this exactly. I had been collecting my Knights for about three years, and finally decided to build and paint em once 10th was announced. They just so happened to be totally kick-ass this edition 🤷‍♂️

[@Normandy42]

@@GreenSpleenSubmarine same, I’ve been collecting knights for about 6 years now and have one of every available type. Some even duplicate or triplicate of. Is it cool that we’re back on top? Yeah. Did I also play knights when we weren’t so hot? Also yes. I don’t care, I just love knights and have never been disappointed with them.

[@patykaarplegos6282]

Picked up knights at the end of 9th before any leaks. Just love running big models. Did not expect them to be this controversial in 10th

[@frankcastle9691]

Titans are good in 40k? Who would have thought.

[@StimmBehr]

WOOOOOOOOOO

[@FionaAnstian]

Can someone explain how that code chivalric rule is being interpreted to reroll all hits? I cannot wrap my mind around something that explicitly says to reroll "A" hit roll when the model is selected to shoot being interpreted as anything except one reroll. A model is only selected to shoot or fight once, not d6 times on a flamer for instance.

[@otacon5412]

Easy, learn more languages. Read the same rule in Italiano, French or Espanol. Tata u have your answer.

[@FionaAnstian]

@otacon5412 so what I'm getting is people are cheesing rules and nobody is calling them out on it for some reason. Though I'm not sure how you could cheese a rule that says you get a reroll per selection to shoot or fight, which occurs once per unit each phase. I'm not asking about the rules as they're written in Navajo, I'm asking about the English wording that people are interpreting as full rerolls when it seems black and white to me.

[@otacon5412]

@@FionaAnstian when u dont get it or you are onsure in english. Just try it in a different language. Hmm or is it one different language? Btw the rule was confirmt by a GW rules person that it is all ones. So just stop to interpret something that is not there. And can you give me PLZ the link to Navajo! Cant find it. Or was that just a racist comment?

[@adamlabelle6199]

There is no shot that you're allowed to reroll ALL got and wound rolls of 1 with the oath. In 9th it was just 1 each, they definitely mean 1 each here in 10th.

[@federalsalestax6073]

First, and already love it

[@Vinterloft]

They are banned in my group, even before they became OP. Simply put, they should be restricted to Apocalypse type games. It is insane to expect the other 28 factions to plan for having to deal with all-vehicle lists with more toughness and wounds than you can shake a railgun at. We allow them occasionally, if the opponent agrees, and they can't complain if someone list tailors against them.

[@lassemelson5668]

hope u dont ban ck the same ive been tabled by both orks and eldar so far this edition

[@shaneschossow9705]

So you wouldn't go against my 24 knights

[@Hello-no7gm]

Sounds like you just need more anti tank in your lists

[@EllipticalReasoning]

how dare your group play toy soldiers in the way they find fun

[@shaneschossow9705]

@@EllipticalReasoning I know right

[@johndillion5804]

First comment baybeee

[@r.j.macready]

Knights should not be an entire faction unto themselves.

[@Synther666]

Its a single die roll per phase of the attack unit. Otherwise its completely broken.

[@Brnolan22]

Art of War 40k talked to one of the designers. They confirmed that the wording means all attacks have a reroll.

[@Synther666]

​@@Brnolan22Really? That's insane.

[@Brnolan22]

@@Synther666 yyeeeep lol

[@Brnolan22]

@@Synther666 yyyeeep. Lol that’s why towering needs to revert.

[@mums_poop_sock]

@@Brnolan22 He was likely on the spot about 1 rule of 400 in the new codex and was led into it. The wording isn't ambiguous. Each time it is selected to shoot, as in, each time it fires one of its weapons. A weapon might fire multiple rounds but it only rolls to fire once. so you roll one re-roll

[@leSmokySmoke]

Knights justs need a whole bunch of rules commentary from GW, and whoever let his 4 year old write these rules should be fired. Besides lay low the tyrant there are a bunch of things that don't make sense. Squires' Duty for example is terribly worded.. you can technically target other enemy models with that strat. you just need to target one enemy, and every armiger that can see and shoot that enemy technically just gets the buff. there is no restriction on the armigers only beeing allowed to target that enemy, and furthermore dont even say you only get the buff against that enemy.. Mysterious Guardian you can technically use first turn if you are going second, since it doesn't say set it up "using the deep strike ability". So since it is IN the deep strike rule only that you can only do that from turn 2 onwards, if going second you can just fade away at the end of their turn, and plop the knight down everywehre you want on your turn 1. and whoever decided to make armiger T10 instead of T9 was probably high.. my armigers are basically immune to meltas and rockets, which even as a knight player I dont think is fair.. meltas going from 3+ to a 5+ against them

[@otacon5412]

There are 68 T10 vehicles. That is 24.5% of all vehicles. Knights only have 2 of all them. And a littel side node on the house. Knights T10 vehicles have less Wounds then the average.😅

[@leSmokySmoke]

@@otacon5412 isnt the avarage like exactly 12W? Im genuinly asking, most vehicles I have in mind with T10 have like 12W, most of the space marine stuff for example. I just think it is unhealthy that they have T10, they were T7 before, so they were supoose to be less tough than a space marine tank for example, now they are the same thoughness, which I think is odd, and I loved it at first. but its just so strong.. guard can't shoot down my stuff, not even eldar can. and stuff like sisters and other dont even stand a chance I can imagine.. so making them T9 would be very healthy for balance, even though I realize I would lose a game then maybe...

[@EllipticalReasoning]

@@otacon5412 The reason this is a problem is that those T10 vehicles are the lowest toughness thing in the knights army, while for most armies that would be near the top end of what they are actually fielding.

[@otacon5412]

@@leSmokySmoke @leSmokySmoke it is 12.something. And a Space Marien Tank like the PREDATOR ANNIHILATOR was T7 exactly like a baby knigth. In 10th both have T10. Other Marien Tanks have more than T10. So i dont get what are u trying to say. Players have to adapt to the 10th edition. Melter edition is over. Use other stuff. Buy other stuff. GW needs your money. Like LasCanons, reroll wounds, dev wounds or ANTI VEHICEL. Every faction has that.

[@otacon5412]

@@EllipticalReasoning im a guard Player. So its unfair that my Las guns only have S3 when Mariens have T4. And dont forget some factions have T6 so i only wound on a 6 with guards. Jeah im on your side all should have T3 so my las guns can wound on a 4.

[@spicybarbecue222]

Revert the los vs them back to how it was in 9th, army fixed

[@kenupton4084]

Knights dont belong in 40k. Keep them in Titanicus and Apocalypse games.

[@johndoe6737]

Chaos Knights >>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Knights

[@nightstaber2010]

Not right now they aren’t, event the statistics swing in the favor of imperial knights

[@theevil6190]

@@nightstaber2010 You think we care? We are better!

[@OGXenos]

Chaos Knights in 10th have become such a weird but valid niche lol Imperial Knights are just all about massive firepower with Chivalric boosts, but instead Chaos Knights are, in COMPLETE opposition to their main problem in past editions, now probably the #1 objective campers in the game. They force you to take so many Battle Shock tests at disadvantage and have so many strategems to double-down on trying to cause shock or exploiting shock that half the enemy army has an OC of 0 and can't use strategems. Then once they get a few kills, the dominos start falling the the battle shocks just keep rolling in to the point that you're nearly GUARANTEED to win off of objective VP alone unless they can forcibly table you fast enough to deny you those passive points. Plus with the updated Daemonic Pact rules they can finally run ground troops to use as cannon fodder instead of their minimum unit being a war dog. Ironically in an edition where so many armies have completely lost their flavor and gone vanilla, Chaos Knights have instead changed to a different, but equally valid flavor.

[@jacobgale4792]

>Rules wise Imp knights. > Drip wise? Chaos Knights babyeee

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

Bold, bold man. Counterpoint: big harpoon