Improved Cartridges? ~ Exposing the fake news and misrepresentations!

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GunBlue490

GunBlue490

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@MrHolster
@MrHolster 6 жыл бұрын
I did not realize Benny had surgery as a result of cancer seems he and I have something in common. Prayers out to you and Benny Sir.
@naimakka1949
@naimakka1949 4 жыл бұрын
How are you doing now sir?
@Olusola84
@Olusola84 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling it like it is! “Physics is physics, and you can’t change the laws of physics.”
@johnnash5118
@johnnash5118 6 жыл бұрын
With all due respect, an important aspect with the AI's that wasn't addressed here is case stretching during firing and stability during reloading (Velocity wasn't P.O.'s only intention with many of his cartridges.) There is data out there which encouraged me to "AI" my 260 Rem.- The more abrupt 40 deg. AI shouldered case distorts substantially less than the 25-30 deg. standard shouldered cases. Furthermore, the wider body-shoulder junction also offers more room to seat a longer, higher BC bullet to fit standard magazines and chambers due to carrying standard powder loads lower into the case body. However, if you do not reload, the AI is indeed a waste of time.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Those are valid considerations, but for the same handloader, case stretch is virtually eliminated by neck sizing, especially with a Lee Collet die. As an example, the 22-250 with its very sloped body is a notorious stretcher. My neck sized 22-250 cases are now on their 8th load, and still require no trimming, though they have been annealed twice. Case body taper is an intentional design factor that prevents tight extraction or even seized cases. My presentation is intended to examine the realities of such a rather extreme modification, so that a balanced and objective decision can be made apart from the typical one-sided, enthusiastic hype that not infrequently lures someone to do something that he or she later regrets. The achievement of 75 to 150 feet per second additional velocity in typical AI conversions often leaves the user wondering what the point of the cost and trouble was. Most testing labs come up with 100, on average. I want folks to know that before making such a decision. You know, I'm sure, that each 100 fps. yields only 22 yards of ballistic advantage (on paper), and that's within the typical velocity variation found in a box of factory ammo. In the real world of target shooting and hunting, even 200 feet per second is pretty hard to account for, and is easily managed with a couple of clicks of sight compensation. But, if it gives you the advantage you dreamt of, I highly recommend it.
@Kabob_King
@Kabob_King 6 жыл бұрын
This is good advice, and is probably applicable to choosing unusual chamberings in general. Reminds me of the time I almost bought a rifle in 308 Norma Mag ... I snapped out of it before writing the check. Decided I didn't need a magnum and bought a 30-06 ... if I did need a magnum the 300wm makes a lot more sense. For nearly every oddball cartridge, there's a commonly available cartridge that does the same job with less hassle.
@Ade4fish
@Ade4fish 6 жыл бұрын
Dear GunBlue490. I check daily for new uploads. Keep them coming. They are all most gratefully received and enjoyed, and well done Benny.
@brianbell8698
@brianbell8698 6 жыл бұрын
Damn man! From your last video I watched I thought Benny bit it! I was tearing up and shit all afraid my wife was gonna walk in the room and tell me I need therapy! But I'm glad he's doing good that's really good news.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
He was my sidekick in the last couple of videos that you might enjoy. Benny had quite a miraculous turn that I pray is a long one.
@michaelhennegan9637
@michaelhennegan9637 6 жыл бұрын
60 or so years ago, Ackley himself told us that the only AI cartridges that were worth it are the: .257 AI, 7 X 57 AI, 30/30/AI, and the .280 AI. Iv'e got both of his reloading manuals and they are very interesting.
@tallen4520
@tallen4520 5 жыл бұрын
>300 Weatherby is a very good improvement over the .300 H&H.
@anthonykaiser974
@anthonykaiser974 4 жыл бұрын
Check out 6.5 x 55 BJAI (Bob Jourdan AI). Competitive shooters AIed 6.5x55 quite a bit before 6.5-284
@nmelkhunter1
@nmelkhunter1 4 жыл бұрын
The 280 AI is certainly the best of his improvements thanks in large part to the better bullets we have today.
@jamiehess4211
@jamiehess4211 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've heard good things about the .348 AI, though.
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 2 жыл бұрын
The 250-3000 is also one that sees improvements.
@Prairie7777
@Prairie7777 3 жыл бұрын
THANBK YOU for sharing your knowledge on this subject. I appreciate you taking the time to explain in depth these subjects. I'm 74 years young, been reloadinig since I was 18 and yes, you can teach an old dog new tricks! I find that being subscribed to your channel and watching your videos is a great help and provides a whole lot of knowledge on quite a large gamit of subjects. Thank you again and do keep up the great service that you are providing. And yes, I too, am VERY thankful that Benny is doing well. I, just a short time ago, lost a very dear companion K'9 female to that damned cancer so I know first hand what losing someone so dear can be like. Thank the Lord you were spared that tragedy. May Benny have many more seasons to share with you!!!
@bobking4031
@bobking4031 Жыл бұрын
Dont believe everthing he tells you he often waffles on with crap in this case he fails to mention that improving the chamber ackleys goal wasnt just a increase in velocity the 40 degree shoulders stops the case neck from increasing in length so there is no need to trim cases therefore increasing case life gunblue is often full of shit he pretends to be a know it all i have been a gunsmith in australia for 40 years and i can tell you he makes a lot of mistakes
@Fuzzybeanerizer
@Fuzzybeanerizer Жыл бұрын
As a professional machinist, my first boss (an old diemaker who attended the Henry Ford Trade School) used to often tell me "don't set a trap for the next guy." With that philosophy in mind, I can see one good thing about "improved" cartridges: You can soup them up to your heart's content in a strong rifle, and your grandson is never going to fire one of your hot rounds with that blown-out case in a weaker rifle with the standard factory chamber. Actually any maximum load in one rifle could potentially be excessive in another rifle chambered for the same cartridge, just because of minor differences in the neck or throat area, so the gun blown up need not be all that weak. And handloaders will push limits.
@stevepuyear2738
@stevepuyear2738 3 жыл бұрын
I've worked quite a bit with Ackley Improved chambers, as well as developed 4 wildcat cartridges. While a boost in velocity is useful in some hunting situations, I've found extended brass life to be the best improvement of all. A couple great examples of this, is the 257 Robert's or the 25-06. When you blow out the case taper, as well as sharpen the shoulder to 30° or more, case stretch virtually stops or is reduced to a very minimal amount. With brass prices constantly on the rise, case life becomes very critical. When you sit down and uniform 200 pieces of brass, which takes a fair bit of work and time, as well as money, you really want brass life extended, as to get as many firings out of each piece of brass as possible. Brass life also comes into play with situations where brass availability is difficult. If we take the 6mm Remington, of which I own two, for example, Remington may only make one run of brass per year. I've found when companies only make one run of a certain cartridge per year, they also boost the price substantially. All of these factors combined, make improving certain chambers a very viable decision.
@mac2k7
@mac2k7 6 жыл бұрын
Recently had a 338-06 improved built and it has had no improvement over a standard 338-06. All it did was give me a conversation piece, expensive set of dies, and the extra step of fire forming new brass.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
So sorry. That's pretty typical.
@jasonweishaupt1828
@jasonweishaupt1828 Жыл бұрын
I can’t keep up with these 50 new cartridges a day. Probably less than a dozen useable long gun cartridges out there. The rest are just gimmicks.
@elgatoJNF
@elgatoJNF 6 жыл бұрын
It is nice to see Benny doing well, and God has granted him more time with his humans. We lost our 15 1/2 year old poodle September, 22, it has been tough.
@hawknives
@hawknives 6 жыл бұрын
I see The LORD let you have Benny for a little longer, here on earth. Our God is a Gracious God! Christ Bless, GunBlue490.Thank You for sharing your knowledge with Guns and shooting. Hawk.
@majorpayne5289
@majorpayne5289 6 жыл бұрын
hawknives -thank you for stating this! I too feel the same way about our Lord and Savior as with faith...all things are possible! God Bless👍
@majorpayne5289
@majorpayne5289 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this and all of your videos! Wishing the absolute best for you and Benny! May our Lord & Savior continue To bless you, Sir. (“Be still and know that I am God”) -(Psalm 46:10) - Thanks for the information provided. This allows me more avenues to research- ✌️
@hawknives
@hawknives 6 жыл бұрын
Major Payne Christ Bless You, Family and Friends, Major Payne! I'm glad you are here! Have an Awesome Day, my Friend! Hawk
@majorpayne5289
@majorpayne5289 6 жыл бұрын
hawknives -thank you very much sir. (Respect)
@hawknives
@hawknives 6 жыл бұрын
Major Payne You are Welcome, Sir! Hawk.
@paulsimmons5726
@paulsimmons5726 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see Benny is doing well now, I'll keep ya'll in my thoughts and prayers. Given that the "improved" caliber ammo is going to be pretty much a handloading situation, I believe that if I needed to "improve" a rifle for additional power, speed, or whatever, I'd just buy another rifle. Yeah, before I worried about a 30-06 Improved, I'd pick up a used 300WinMag and spend the rest of my money on a really good scope. There are so many calibers that are commonly available that will do whatever the average hunter could possibly ask. If I were picking a brush gun and a gun for open areas of up to 400 yds, I'd go with a 30-30 and a scoped 270Win. If I were handloading, the long gun caliber might be smaller than the 270Win but for production selection, a 270Win is hard to beat. Great video! Glad to see Benny is doing well, God Bless!
@chriscosby2459
@chriscosby2459 Жыл бұрын
The .280 Remington is a fascinating cartridge that never got the respect it deserved. The good news is that the .280 AI is giving the .280 Remington a new life. I own a 7 Rem Mag, so I dont see that much benefit from a 280 AI, perhaps a little less recoil.
@robertstermer1528
@robertstermer1528 Ай бұрын
This was a very nuanced and balanced presentation. As usual, you provide information without emotion. If I’m trying to decide between one course of a cation and another, (and I am, building a .338-06 or a .338-06AI) I always look to see if you have any posts which might shed some light on the alternatives and help me decide. As usual, you are spot on and your take on the subject greatly appreciated.
@WestDesertShooter
@WestDesertShooter 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting topic, I really enjoy your sharing of knowledge about the history of PO Ackley I find it fascinating. Although it’s not always about velocity, I like the increased shoulder angle for the 243 and 280AI the bump in velocity is a bonus
@64samsky
@64samsky 6 жыл бұрын
I am so happy that Benny is doing well. God bless you, the Mrs. and Benny.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and to you and yours.
@foxjerry1
@foxjerry1 6 жыл бұрын
Benny's Lives !!! Awesome, I'm sure glad I watched this video this morning. A few weeks ago I shared Benny's condition with my wife and we both prayed for you and Benny. We thought he was at The Rainbow Bridge. This news Made our Day !! 😇
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
He's still doing wonderfully and is enjoying the hunting season more than ever. I think Benny knows he's a survivor, and is kicking his heels up every day. Thank you and your wife for your prayers.
@edwardweiszbeck1649
@edwardweiszbeck1649 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness and thanks God for healing Benny. You’re such a. Pleasure sir to watch and would hate to see you be struck with loss. I pray all continues well for your entire family.
@georgesmith6918
@georgesmith6918 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that Benny is doing well. Benny is part of your family.
@jeffcopenhaver2217
@jeffcopenhaver2217 3 жыл бұрын
The 280AI has its feet firmly planted in the shooting industry. Rifle and ammunition manufacturers have embraced it for a reason, it performs. As to your 6mm Remington reference, if Remington would’ve seen fit to introduce the 6mm with the correct rifling twist from the get go the 243 Winchester would probably be the round on deaths doorstep
@LUVDOGS1954
@LUVDOGS1954 6 жыл бұрын
1) Hooray For Benny! 2) looks like a Manhattan, my favorite too. Bourbon? What brand of whiskey do you prefer please? 3) I once read in "Handloader" magazine that the .300 Savage was the most efficient cartridge when comparing grains of powder to achieved velocity. I love that cartridge, I guess I am just old school. 4), Yes, everyone forgets barrell length in velocity considerations. The "new" trend is short and light. Simply compare 5.56x45mm ballistics for example. Huge difference. 5) Thank you again sir!
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Benny sends regards. Yes, bourbon Manhattan made with Evan Williams, Noily Prat sweet vermouth, three or four dashes of Angostura bitters, cherries, staight up. Poor man's Makers Mark. The 300 Savage is one of the finest shooting rounds ever created, and an ideal whitetail round that's better suited at closer ranges than the 308, which can be too destructive inside 75 yards. My 300 Savage Model 99 was a reliable 1/2 MOA rifle with 150 or 165 grain Sierra flat base bullets. Velocity at 2,600 fps is perfect, and recoil is soft. Fun cartridge.
@davidturkington2983
@davidturkington2983 6 жыл бұрын
Uncle GunBlue - you mention in your comment that your 300 Savage Model 99 "was".... Do you not have it anymore?
@LUVDOGS1954
@LUVDOGS1954 6 жыл бұрын
Haha! I use Evan Williams too! BTW, if Benny ever requires some $$$ medical procedure funding, I would be glad to contribute. I have given a bunch of money in general appreciation of my stage III cancer survival the past three years...for both dogs and people. I like dogs more than most people anyway. Geting cantankerous (less tolerant) in my old age!
@michaellife8523
@michaellife8523 6 жыл бұрын
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@JJGuccione
@JJGuccione 3 жыл бұрын
Once again, an excellent VDO. Comparisons are factual and are bullseyes, (pun intended). I have a great friend that inherited dies for a .243 Ackley. Initially, I encouraged seeking a used rifled chambered in .243 AI. He too is a hand loader. After viewing this VDO in its entirety, I cautioned against it. Regarding an inexpensive find - The most poignant element on a find is - you pointing out the detriments of a gas cut(s). Subsequently, paying for a borescope, buying a borescope, or having a barrel reamed now make it whimsical rather than prudent endeavor to pursue. You pointing out the fact that with the advent of affordable chronographs, the results were found to be paltry in comparison to the fairy tale results before chronos were widely available. And, some fairy tale results after they were widely available . Again, gratitude and God Bless.
@BTCAsia
@BTCAsia 5 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised when I read on a forum about someone who wants to build their dream rifle, but then they’re undecided between 6 or 7 cartridges with very little overlap, very different purposes (e.g. 220 swift to 338 Edge). Then, they fail to mention how they plan to use the rifle. Invariably, most of the chamberings they’re considering are Ackley Improved. When more experienced forum members ask the original poster the main role of the rifle, either they can’t explain or they mention every conceivable use. The same people want an AI chamber more for status or bragging rights than perceived performance gains or purpose. Even P.O. Ackley himself wrote some of the AI versions offered no discernible gains. One, the 6.5-06 AI if I recall correctly, actually showed slightly less performance for several loads he tested. Some showed better performance (like the 257 Roberts example you mentioned). Others, specifically the 35 Whelen, benefit (or are perceived to benefit) from an unintended consequence, like the sharp shoulder offering more consistent and reliable headspacing. Either way, prospective buyers should know why they want it and how that might (or might not) help them accomplish the task for that rifle. Thanks for the video.
@denisleblanc4506
@denisleblanc4506 6 жыл бұрын
In other words, you will get close to Ack. Imp. gains with none of it's drawbacks by using Hornady's Superformance loads. A much more palatable option as long as your rifle can shoot them accurately. That Superformance load with SST bullets shoots better than I can in my old Sako in 7mm08. Its actually the most accurate factory load I've ever tested out of about 9 loads. BTW, I recently quickly worked up a load using the old style 160 grain Speer Grand Slam bullet that shot under an inch easily and bagged a nice 500 lb cow moose at about 40 yards. So I guess I didn't need that level of accuracy in the end. The performance wasn't as good as I expected on a broadside shot, but it smashed a rib going in, hit one lung, destroyed the liver and was found on the off side in another broken rib. Only thing missing was a blood trail so it took about 20 minutes to find. The tenderloins sure are good! Heading out for partridge today with my 7 year old Griffon and will be thinking of Benny the whole time. I know Tucker will be having a ball no matter what we bag.
@givemeliberty7156
@givemeliberty7156 4 жыл бұрын
Benny, I own both the 280 ackley and a 7mm Remington magnum. I can push a 168 grain Berger to 3000 FPS with either gun. My load is 70 grains of r25 in the 7mm and 55 grains of r17 in the 280 ackley. I love your videos but have to disagree with you on your comment about not being able to get similar velocities with less powder.
@carlduncan8462
@carlduncan8462 3 жыл бұрын
I am building a 280AI because I can get close to 7rem mag and on the start up loads it's a 7mm/08. At the time of his video 3 years ago many things have changed.
@mealston1725
@mealston1725 6 жыл бұрын
Thank You once again, GB. I came along in the day using some match developed by Bob Hutton of Hutton Rifle Ranch...found alot of usefulness w/the Powell slide computer. Having never bought into the idea of the Ackley chamberings, I concluded that one of two things were behind the math- that PO was attempting to alter shoulder angles to make the burning rates of various powders more efficient, as well as less case stretching... In either case, the evidence didn't sway me enough to jump on the PO wagon. Spending countless hours working to prove discussions in favor of the 220 Swift, I spent years proving the Swift over the 22-250, and efficiency arguments using a 22-243, as we saw later when J.Carmichael intro'd his 22 CHeetah. I do seem to recall that for a given IMR powder load, the ratios of 5-5-10 rule comes to mind ....
@josenieto4304
@josenieto4304 6 жыл бұрын
Praying 🙏 for Benny. Keep getting better. Good boy!
@FoulPet
@FoulPet 6 жыл бұрын
praying for a dog along starving and sex slaves children. Seems stupid dont you think.
@jhpock3
@jhpock3 4 жыл бұрын
GunBlue490, you have spoiled me to the point when I listen to others selling their gun BS, I have to change the channel. God Bless and be safe! Thank you for being a wise old man who shares willingly:)
@KaneGregory
@KaneGregory 4 жыл бұрын
I sit at the feet 🦶 of the Buddha of ballistics willing to learn thank you 🙏 sir!
@SootHead
@SootHead 6 жыл бұрын
It's all about return on investment, isn't it? You are keeping our feet on the ground, GunBlue!
@levanpkh6882
@levanpkh6882 3 жыл бұрын
As someone wrote, this is what internet and youtube should be. Thank you for the outstanding presentation. God Bless
@stevenwagner9205
@stevenwagner9205 Жыл бұрын
Another awesome video, thank you professor! I shoot 6.5x55 Swede and was thinking maybe it might be cool to have it improved. I enjoy experimenting and having unique things, especially if there are performance enhancements associated with them. After watching this video I think I will keep my Swede standard factory for now. If I need something to reach out farther on elk or moose I think I would be a lot better stepping up to a bigger cartridge. And living in Michigan now, the odds are I won't ever have a need for anything more than what my Swede brings to the party. Thanks for the knowledge dump, I will probably watch this video 3 or 4 times like I do most of your videos. God bless you, your family and, of course, Benny!
@marklacombe2671
@marklacombe2671 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I bought a 280ai. I wanted a 7 rem mag but sadly being a lefty I am extremely limited on choice. Whether it be the choice of caliber or choice of rifle. Usually the both don't line up for me being a gun I like in a caliber I want. I'm happy I stuck it out and got a 280ai. My other choices were 308 or 300 win mag in guns I actually wanted to own.
@philrizzo
@philrizzo Жыл бұрын
PO Ackley didn’t have access to modern slow burning powders, and heavy high BC bullets in his time. Personally I’ll take the extra capacity, less case fatigue and better performance.
@brandonrenner9597
@brandonrenner9597 2 жыл бұрын
280Ai seems to be getting extremely popular lately
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 2 жыл бұрын
That's because it has been adopted as a factory chambering, and commercial ammo is made for it. It doesn't have the liabilities that I spoke of. But, it's still only providing 50 to 100 feet greater velocity, which is quite underwhelming.
@brandonrenner9597
@brandonrenner9597 2 жыл бұрын
@@GunBlue490 yea. Still seems pointless to me
@Liam-B
@Liam-B 6 жыл бұрын
A word like "improved" is pretty subjective in nature.
@str3tchr
@str3tchr 5 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about 280 Ackley though considering it is now factory supported with factory ammo, and factory rifles being chambered for it. It seems as if now it has more support in the current market than standard 280 rem does. Current Nosler reloading data has 280 Ackley fastest velocity with 140 @3222 fps with 4831. This max load of 60 grains is also the most accurate load of 4831 and listed as the most accurate powder tested.
@Charles-Windsor88
@Charles-Windsor88 5 жыл бұрын
My factory chambered 280 Ackley rifle with 24" barrel gives a chronoed 3215 fps with 150 grain LRAB over my duplex handloads in Norma 280 Ackley brass. Have reloaded the same cases 7 times and no stretching or pressure signs observable Shoots 1/2 MOA for 4 shots and the performance is virtually the same as my Rem 700 in 7mm Rem mag
@Fuzzybeanerizer
@Fuzzybeanerizer Жыл бұрын
The Ackley improved versions of some rimmed cartridges are seriously transformed by the process, making very interesting cartridges for single-shot rifles. That is one area where the flood of newfangled factory cartridges never seems to touch, due to such limited market potential. One example would be the .25/35 Ackley Improved, though many other nice cartridges for single-shot use go beyond mere "improving" and are full-blown wildcats... such as the 6mm-.30/30 with a sharp Ackley-style shoulder, or the .219 Donaldson Wasp.
@aaronwilcox6417
@aaronwilcox6417 3 жыл бұрын
Ive got a few Winchester 71 rifles in 348 win. One of them i had reamed to 348 Ackley Improved. Allegedly it allows less bolt thrust but it does also boost the velocity some. It makes my old 71 kinda of a 35 whelan class of rifle and case life is improved. In the case of these highly tapered antique cartridges yes the improved versions can have benefits.
@The-Homecook-0000
@The-Homecook-0000 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see Benny doing good...it made my day....What are your drinking a Manhattan....
@sls6014
@sls6014 6 жыл бұрын
GB, what's your take on P.O.'s tests indicating reduced bolt backthrust with improved case design?
@Mr.Big-Gunz
@Mr.Big-Gunz 5 жыл бұрын
I'm Southern born and still live here in Carolina,,& i luv to hear u say the word "Caaaaaartridge",, it makes me laugh every time u say it..,, i realy like your video's,, thanx for all the great information...are u from New England, Maine, or Illinois, or Boston....???
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. You flunked geography though. Illinois is in the Midwest. New England is the Northeast region of the U.S. that is comprised of six states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. Boston is not a state. It is the capital city of Massachusetts. New England folks have many different regional dialects, including no less than three from Boston alone. New Englanders don't all speak the same any more than folks do in the South, or even in the Carolinas. I had the pleasure of serving with men in the Army from the entire country, who all spoke with different accents. If you wanted to have friends, you didn't laugh at anyone's accent. Y'all.
@Mr.Big-Gunz
@Mr.Big-Gunz 5 жыл бұрын
@@GunBlue490 i still liked your video, i ment it in fun only, sorry u took it so seriously,, it was an attempt to make a friend,, some things are to supposed to be taken with a grain of salt,, all southerners tease people about accents even though ours is atrocious,, & yes we say yall, & yes i have a funny accent too...,, i meant it only in fun,, u truly are a master of firearm normenclature, & u have my respect, your video's are top notch,, i hope i didn't offend you, thank you again..
@redsky8509
@redsky8509 6 жыл бұрын
real good to hear Benny next to you.
@comanche6943
@comanche6943 6 жыл бұрын
I wish you and Benny the best! I have a 135lb rescue King German Shepard "Ax" he has undergone a 6 1/2 hour surgery at the Auburn University veterinary school to remove a large mass from his Thoracic cavity and further delicate surgery for removal of nerve sheath tumors on radial nerve with close proximity to cranial area. Unfortunately after another MRI cancer returned 2 months later, we proceeded with Palliative Radiation outcome is inevitable. Cancer in dogs is more aggressive than humans. My advice to you is listen to Benny's orthopaedic surgeon and take with a grain of salt with whatever advice the oncologists have to recommend as they just tend to treat the tumours and and forget about the dog. That said I find your conversations very interesting and informative, my dad started off as a baby engineer at Westinghouse in Worcester Mass back in the 60s, your accent reminds me of his old boss as well a Master Chief that kicked my assets from one end of Little Creek to another to make me a better platoon commander earlier on. I'm a S&W 357 3" junkie 65, pre 27, PC 13 would appreciate more revolver centric information in the future. THANK YOU for your service. All the best to you and Benny.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice, and I'll offer a prayer for your Ax. God bless.
@dalegermano9146
@dalegermano9146 6 жыл бұрын
So glad to see Benny doing well.
@jeffersonsmith6109
@jeffersonsmith6109 5 жыл бұрын
It's a long video with a lot of useful information as usual, so I may have missed it and I'm not sure I want to sit through the whole thing again, but I did see you referenced the Nosler manual. I missed where you mentioned Nosler saw enough benefit to the improved cambering to actually manufacture an improved cartridge available in their loaded ammunition as well as selling their brass for. Maybe someday I will watch this video again in it's entirety trying to remember to watch for that part I evidently missed.
@bilhep
@bilhep 4 жыл бұрын
Great! You got MY attention! I read Fred Zeglin's book, "P.O. Ackley-America's Gunsmith." I haven't finished it; it's a little dry for binge-reading. He opened his gunshop pretty early in life and worked as a gunsmith. As I read I got the impression that he was nearly always at odds with the apparent fashion of shooting big-caliber bullets at big game, slowly. He thought that a faster smaller caliber would work better. He tinkered with HIS guns to find improvements for existing ammunition and, I think, he proved his point, sometimes. I suspect that he hoped a manufacturer, like Remington, would pick up his design. Also, I think, since I've felt the urge myself, that some(many?) people took some inferrance that this was what he thought was a good idea for changing their rifle. Your points really illuminate the absolutely illogical reasoning in making the change. I especially appreciate the aspect about fire-forming with commercial ammo. You just know alot of people have made that mistake. I especially like the argument you make about the 7mm-08AI vs. the 280Rem. If one went from a 24-inch baffle on the 7mm-08, how much longer should you want the barrel, with that extra ten grains of powder?
@TexanUSMC8089
@TexanUSMC8089 5 жыл бұрын
Hornady and Nosler make factory ammo and brass for 280 Ackley. Federal announced they will be making them in 2019 too. So far, 280 Ackley is probably the exception though.
@RickNethery
@RickNethery 6 жыл бұрын
I have always thought the same things about the Axkley Improved chamberings. It is nice to know that I was thinking correctly. I have always avoided rifles with the improved chambering. I do own one rifle with a wildcat chamber, a 257-6.5 Arisaka Sporter, but it was a gift from a Gunsmith that did not want to sell it.
@pauldeahl3980
@pauldeahl3980 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Blue- what are your thoughts on the 22 Hornet K? Do you think the same cons exist as you explained for the AI? I am searching for a Winchester M70 in 22Hornet and have run across a couple of 22K Hornets and have read about them and how it’s more than just reaming the chamber as you also have to set the barrel back. I’m no gunsmith so I rely on experts like you for advice. Is it worth the K mod and how can you tell about the barrel set back?
@sfla4x4molonlabe66
@sfla4x4molonlabe66 6 жыл бұрын
Not aware that Benny had surgery sir but I am glad that he is doing better. Will pray for his continued recovery.
@thomask5605
@thomask5605 6 жыл бұрын
Always enjoyable listening to someone who knows what he's talking about! If I could make a topic suggestion could you do a video on the disassembly and reassembly of the earlier versions of the Ruger 22 caliber automatic pistol? Everybody always seems to struggle with that hence the latest version with the push button takedown ,including me and i'm a retired Mercedes Benz mechanic, special tricks that you're aware of would be appreciated. Glad to hear Benny is doing well,God Bless.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
I can do one on the Mark II sometime, which is the same as the Mark I and nearly like the Mark III.
@stevenwagner9205
@stevenwagner9205 Жыл бұрын
@@GunBlue490 If you make that video I'd be interested in you talking about the aftermarket hammer strut accessories I see for sale in the back of American Rifleman magazines. I always wondered if they were worth getting. I have a MKII and a MKIV. When I shoot and clean my MKII regularly I don't have any trouble remembering how to reassemble it. It's just when I haven't shot it for sometime that I end up scratching my head and sometimes having to break out the owner's manual to remember how it goes back together. I think my MKII locks up tighter than my MKIV though and might be a little more accurate, although my MKIV Hunter is really sweet too.
@fdmackey3666
@fdmackey3666 6 жыл бұрын
In only a very minutes you explained, so that even I could understand, why the "improved" rounds have for the most part fallen by the wayside. And without ever having met any of the hunters in question you also explained, to my satisfaction, why they were so upset when they tried to trade in a rifle with an improved chambering and were lucky to get much for them after, in several cases that I recall, spending A LOT of their hard earned money on rifle chamberings they only knew about because of articles printed in one or two magazines. By the way, assuming you have not already made and uploaded one on the subject, please consider producing a video on "the good, the bad, and the ugly" of rebarreling, NOT rechambering, of hunting rifles. I'm interested for myself because I'm roughly 98.999% sure that a previous owner had the factory barrel replaced, on my Savage 99 chambered in .250-3000/.250 Savage, while attempting to turn it into a varmit rifle. Thanks for yet another educational and thought provoking video! Keep 'em coming!
@PaulRevere2009
@PaulRevere2009 5 жыл бұрын
So happy to hear Benny is doing well.
@kevinhyde6561
@kevinhyde6561 5 жыл бұрын
When fire forming for the improved cartridges, seat a bullet against the rifling lands and use a light powder charge. That will eliminate most web stretching.
@martinscharf3902
@martinscharf3902 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Sir! So heartwarming to see that Benny is still doing great!! God bless him and you! As always a great video, interesting and a pleasure to watch! What is your opinion about moly coated bullets??
@hennys63
@hennys63 2 жыл бұрын
P.S. to my last comment : The remarks in the video about cheap chronographs leading to the decline of improved cartridges are quite true. Most Imp. loads got much of their velocities by increasing pressure to the ragged edge. But other huge factors in the decline were: 1) the end of vast qua titles of cheap military surplus rifles to play with, and 2) the difference in the price of labor between now and 40 or 50 years ago.
@thecheapshot1065
@thecheapshot1065 3 жыл бұрын
So I’ve now gone from a 270 Winchester to a 270 actually improve chamber and I’m going to take my 24 inch barrel and move to a 26 inch or 27 inch heavy barrel next year probably. Trying to do one significant alteration at a time. But I want to make sure that with the 270 if I have a longer barrel than the standard 24 inch barrel that it came with that I will when using slower powders Benefit. I’m going to try to push the barrel length out as far as I can without passing the point where I reach diminished returns
@kitbruttig1995
@kitbruttig1995 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 7mm-08 and love it for deer hunting. Now Weatherby, Nosler and some others are chambering 280AI rifles and producing 280 AI ammo commerically. I am thinking about an Elk hunt in the near future. I would never take a shot past 300 yards. Is the 7mm-08 sufficient or would the new Saami 280 AI rifle and commercial ammo a better option?
@ez7977
@ez7977 3 жыл бұрын
Ha, i have the exact same dilema! I just bought a 280 ai in a savage ultralight. Not because i think i need it, i dont. Just because i wanted something to mess around with as a hobby. Loading and making my own ammo. 7mm-08 is more than adequate out to 400 yds.. as in the terminal performance of most commercially available ammo is greater than 1800fps and 1200 ft-lbs of energy beyond 400 yds with the 7mm-08. It would be a great elk gun!! Just practice out to 300 and you’ll be fine!! The 280ai gets you another 300 yds, not that i would actually shot over 300, maybe 400.
@samadams7731
@samadams7731 6 жыл бұрын
That's great news, in regard to Benny.
@TheEigerclimber
@TheEigerclimber 6 жыл бұрын
glad to hear your dog is doing good! I would love to hear your thoughts on the .284 Winchester and the .325 wsm. I think they are excellent cartridges but just aren't popular.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
The 284 is basically a shortened version of the 280 Remington, ballistically. It uses a rebated rim cartridge that allowed Winchester to use a standard size bolt face with a fatter body in their short action Model 100 semi-auto and Model 88 lever guns. It was a good round, but almost an immediate flop commercially for a number of reasons that had more to do with marketing and packaging than ballistics, and in many ways suffered similarly to the Remington 280, for similar reasons. It was touted as the short action version of their 270 Winchester, but folks don't generally buy autos and lever guns for long range shooting. Brass was weird, so it was expensive and only offered by Winchester. Folks who used those rifles were satisfied with the 308 or 243, and if they wanted a long range gun, they bought the 270. It became more popular later as a wildcatter's case, and was stuffed with different bullets, but even they faded out. I frankly have no fondness for any of the short magnums. They have good ballistics, but are costly, ammo is not widely available, use lots of additional powder to derive another 100 to 200 feet per second (20 to 40 yards of theoretical range) that's outside the ethical distance for taking shots at game, and they tend to be tougher on barrels than their standard counterparts. That added powder really ups the recoil significantly too. Lots of powder requires lots of barrel to burn fully, which adds lots of weight to a gun. The rounds don't even handle well in the hand or load into a magazine naturally. Most of them have been sliding in popularity, if they had any at all. Every so often gun makers come out with new ammo with some different spin, but all they do is spit out the same bullets at the same speed that some other round was doing under a different name. A good example is the 6.5 Creedmoor. It has exactly the same ballistics as the 20 year old 260 Remington and 125 year old 6.5 Swede. It does nothing differently, and is actually less versatile, but the Creedmoor name is more catchy. I always advise sticking to the stuff that's been around, because rarely is there any advantage to the new offering, except to spend more of your money.
@TheEigerclimber
@TheEigerclimber 6 жыл бұрын
thanks a bunch for all of the great info. have a fantastic day!!!
@14goldmedals
@14goldmedals 4 жыл бұрын
GunBlue490 I agree 100% on the 6.5 Creedmore. In my opinion, people just love to say catchy names out loud and Creedmore is one. Hornady has been great at marketing new rounds that do nothing new.
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 2 жыл бұрын
The .284 is an excellent cartridge, with modern powders i.e. rel17 people are getting right close to 3000fps with a 180gr bullet. It has seen a resurgence in popularity as of late. More companies are making match quality brass for it. Many F class shooters are using it to win matches. It has been wildcatted in 6.5 for many years and it is what the 450 Bushmaster is based upon. Build one, you won't be disappointed.
@uralbob1
@uralbob1 5 жыл бұрын
Gunblue490. I am ready to re-chamber my third .22 Hornet to .22 K- Hornet (CZ 527). I have no reason to do this except that I love to have fun loading this cartridge and seeing what I can do with it regarding accuracy and velocity. I own a Steyr .222 Mag., so I don't need the speed increase over the original Hornet cartridge for varmint hunting. It's just fun! I shoot light 35-45 gr. bullets in the K Hornet, and I am looking to buy my own chamber reamer. What reamer would you recommend as far as freebore dimentions are concerned? I'm afraid my ignorance is showing, but since I shoot normal or light for caliber bullets, should I stick to a .020 freebore reamer, or should I go shorter? My two previous rifles both shot less than 1 in., but I'd like to get my groups to much less than 1 moa. Do I need to be able to set my bullets deeper in the neck to facilitate better alignment for accuracy's sake? Maybe a .010 freebore reamer? What do you think?
@uralbob1
@uralbob1 5 жыл бұрын
Gunblue490, I'm very happy for Benny. Good luck to you both. I honor and respect your opinion in all things relating to guns and shooting, and I'd like to hear your opinion on other another subject: Gun pioneers and gun writers. I'd love to hear your opinions about famous gun writers and pioneers. People like Charles Askins, Townsend Whelen, Elmer Kieth, Warren Page, P.O. Ackley, etc. I know you've mentioned some of these guys in your past videos. We can all read biographies of these guys, but I think we all would like to know your personal feelings, both positive and negative, about the influence these people had on the shooting sports.
@comlbbeau
@comlbbeau 6 жыл бұрын
I have no interest in reloading, but oddly I found this presentation very interesting and informative. Continued good health and good times for you and Benny!
@jasonweishaupt1828
@jasonweishaupt1828 Жыл бұрын
I bet you’ll get into it when the third shortage in two decades hits before 2030. I’ve got 17,000 primers in stock with the powder to back it up.
@Eggomania86
@Eggomania86 6 жыл бұрын
A few months ago I was actually looking to buy a rifle in .280 ack imp. I know Nosler, Bergara, Kimber and Savage make rifles in the .280 AI I am glad I didn't. If you want something like that get a .270 or 7mm Rem Mag. The 280 AI with a 140gr bullet runs about the same as a factory .270 130gr. Which is 3000 fps.but a handload 130gr from a .270 Win can run faster 3100fps. While a hot loaded 140gr 7mm Rem mag runs over 3200 fps. I also know with the .280 AI Nosler and Hornady are the only factory loads you can get for it. Ultimately I chose the 7mm rem mag because you have more choices in bullet weights heavier for caliber bullets and you can load it down to emulate a 7x57mm or 7mm-08. You have an awesome versatile rifle suitable for nearly all game in North America. Thank you for sharing this information about the AI chamberings.
@mealston1725
@mealston1725 6 жыл бұрын
Couldnt agree more. In the end, ammo researchers will never really best the 270 Winchester....albeit I will never frown on the 280 Remington.
@bobnunnemin1273
@bobnunnemin1273 6 жыл бұрын
Cheeahs to you too, glad to hear Benny is getting better
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill 6 жыл бұрын
GuneBlue, when you use a chronograph, how far do you put your muzzle from it to get the best reading? What do the reloading books use for their distance? Also when using muzzloaders/shotgun(Sabot slugs) and a chrono, how far would you put chrono from muzzle, when your using sabot. Wouldnt the sabot or patch, mess with the reading? I just ordered a chrono for future data testing.
@andreasnilsson2304
@andreasnilsson2304 6 жыл бұрын
First: I am really happy to hear that Benny is doing well. Second: Thank you for another awesome lesson in a subject that is hard to find cold facts about. You boil it down to pure understandable facts. Thank you.
@jerad4336
@jerad4336 Жыл бұрын
I’m debating between a 280 Ackley and a 7mm Rem Mag.
@Accidic
@Accidic Жыл бұрын
Watched both of these being prepped for deer season. Same powder and bullets across the same chronograph. What he claimed was max recommended loads were highly accurate in both and within 20fps or lessof each other. I'd personally take the 7mmRM for the easier to find ammo if you're in a pinch but I would be more inclined to think the 280AI has superior barrel accuracy life by a likely small margin. But I guess I say that having picked up the only 6.5mm rifle more common than a Creedmoor and used $13/box ammo for nearly a decade without so much as a hiccup so ymmv. :)
@Accidic
@Accidic Жыл бұрын
...I guess I say that ironically...
@williameudy6615
@williameudy6615 6 жыл бұрын
I hope Benny’s health continues to improve.
@Random-wo2gs
@Random-wo2gs 6 жыл бұрын
Not to be arguementative, but the same Hornady manual you were citing from lists actual data for the 280 AI chambering. With most bullet weights the performance was about 100 fps behind the 7mmRM but, oddly enough, they were able to achieve 3000 fps with bullets in the 150-154 gr range. (Equaling the 7mmRM performance with bullets in the same weight range, using 24 inch barrels in each caliber)
@billdunlap9850
@billdunlap9850 6 жыл бұрын
Glad Benny's doing OK. :) While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I still believe the 280 Remington and 280 AI specifically fill a niche worth mentioning. I've been considering a 7mm build for a long time to "play with" the much higher BC's and bullets available in .284. The 7mm-08 was just never enough considering the different things I want to try to do with it. On the flipside, the 7mm Magnum just seemed like overkill in the "boxes" I wanted to play in. Enter the .280 Remington and slightly better .280AI concept. A friend recently inherited a 24" .280 Rem rifle, light Varmint contour so I helped him go about the business of load developement. Without getting too deep into the particulars, found a sweet spot with 150grn , IMR4350 52.6 grns and 2910ish fps but he was on the edge with apparent pressure signs and looking for more. Long story short, my buddy had a sentimental attachment to this rifle so off came the barrel and cut/reamed to .280 AI chamber dimensions. Loaded up some Nosler brass, same bullets and BR2 primers, and 55.8 grains of IMR 4350 and now we're at 3040 ish fps with hardly a sign of pressure problems and shooting about 1/3-1/2moa....yup, 3.2 more grains of powder but the before and after results surprised me. I'm not going to break out the slide rule here and figure out how he's outperforming the 7mm Mag but I witnessed this and participated in this one myself. I went so far as to break out my $160 chrono just to see, and the differences in results were +/- 10-12 fps with a 6 shot comparison. All that changed here were chamber dimensions, Nosler brass and the amount of powder. Did the end justify the means??? My buddy seems to think so? Please keep the good information coming so we can all discuss and learn from each other. I've learned so much from your infinite firearms knowledge and experience and appreciate you taking the time to share it with us. I too believe in the "laws of physics" but some times there's those anomalies that just "are". Funny how I read the many forums and stories on this cartridge and everybody seems to have a different perspective. All I can do is share what I know to be true that I've personally experienced. Take it for what it's worth.
@thomask5605
@thomask5605 6 жыл бұрын
That would be great! Their are many more of the older ones out there than the new model and I have a nice one with a bull barrel and the rear sight is similar to a bomar so I can't justify a new pistol for the benefit of easier take down and with a little finagleing I manage to get it back together. God Bless you and your entire Family! Tom from Utah
@ruthless4645
@ruthless4645 6 жыл бұрын
With modern day Chronographs the "proof is in the pudding", then add in the added costs of reloading, plus in many cases the added high cost of custom dies and fire forming brass and it's just not worth worrying about in most cases. HOWEVER, if it floats your boat....Go for it. It's just not for me.
@jaybailleaux630
@jaybailleaux630 3 жыл бұрын
Had a 6mm Remington Ackley improved. Case length did slow down with the 40 degree shoulder . Brass still flowed for at the junction of shoulder and case neck. It was called the dreaded donut. Learned things the hard way. Should have stuck with the standard cartridge. Read Aclkleys book. 250 Savage was the best improve cartridge. It brought powder volume up to a necked up 243 to 257 diameter. The 25-08 was called the 25 Apollo.
@bretnmannn
@bretnmannn 2 жыл бұрын
7-33 nosler with .838 BC 190 A-tip 28''BBL 3,200fps delivers 1,000fpe @ 1 mile gives 1000 rounds of accurate barrel life! feeds from a detachable long action box magazine without the bullet seated into the powder column of the case! and has a longer case neck giving longer barrel life than a 28 nosler!
@headcarter4656
@headcarter4656 Жыл бұрын
Well said sir. There's no way I would ever be interested in a 22-250 AI when I can get 22-250 rem. It's stupid if you ask me.
@unojarro
@unojarro 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this illuminating vid; I have been considering a 243 AI but my mind is changed.
@stackermts
@stackermts 5 жыл бұрын
Was hoping he'd address brass life. Anyone have hard data on brass life for one or more cartridges significantly improving relative to an AI vs standard cartridge? I've read all kinds of PO Ackley for years including his reloading manuals and the guy was never about massive velocity gains which is what all the posts across the interwebs seems to focus on; get an AI or some other improved cartridge to get faster velocity, etc.... Out of all PO Ackley has written during his life, I wonder if those who state improved cartridges, at least ackley's, others like Rocky Gibbs, et el. were certainly into primarily the hot-rodding aspects, it makes me wonder if most have not read Ackley's thoughts and intentions. the guy always recommended the cartridge, improved or not, that was the most "efficient" given the bore diameter. 7x57mm AI was a decent example. Benefits of an AI are for the avid hand loader: Instead, It's my understanding AI cartridges primary benefits might include increased case life, potentially best bang for the buck velocity vs quantity of powder, optimal bore life for given bore diameter, etc. for the avid hand loader, not hot-rodding for its own sake. Brass life increases assume you dont do the usual items like dont load so hot you primer pockets no longer will hold the primer, etc. From what I've read of others experiences, no personal experience, the dude is correct and the fire forming process does often require effort beyond just firing factory ammo in the improved chamber depending on cartridge, although supposedly you can do so "in a pinch" as Ackley writes in his reloading manuals. There maybe exceptions. Supposedly firing factory 30-30 Win ammo in an AI chamber works pretty well but 300 H&H in a 300 Weatherby (yes the 300 Weatherby is an improved chamber and cartridge) or 300 AI is not so desirable, likely due to the massive case expansion required. The 300 Weatherby chambering had the great selling point that you could make brass by firing factory 300 H&H during the time 300 H&H cartridges and brass were massively popular and laying all over the rifle range, respectively (1960's??? when 300 H&H was the thing?? Im aware 300 Weatherby was born in the 1940s). As an aside, Ackley did lots of experimentation and got his own empirical evidence concerning different subjects. I really liked the experiment Ackley described about bolt thrust, I believe in vol 1 of his reloading manual. Using a Win model 94 in 30-30. Long story short, his 30-30 AI eliminated bolt thrust (to the point if there was any it was negligible), and case stretch was massively reduced. If true, that is a potentially massive brass life extender. Ackley proved it too himself when he fired the rifle (in a safe way, use your imagination) with the locking lugs removed. The bolt did not open on firing even without the locking lugs. Please, I dont want to hear hypothetical "thats BS, wont work," etc. If you've duplicated Ackleys experiment, provide hard data one way or another with sufficient specificity. Ackley described the experiment in sufficient detail so it can be duplicated. Please no "thats stupid and dangerous, crazy experiment. It can be done safely to the person although you can blow up the gun so you should be willing to sacrifice that. Read the details in Vol 1 of his reloading manual and do it yourself for those with strong yeah or nay outlooks. Reduced bold thrust is probably why supposedly reading pressure signs while reloading AI cartridges, or other improved cartridges is difficult. supposedly by the time you see case head flowing together or into the firing pin groove, you are already approaching barrel test pressures. Ackley's thoughts on wall taper and neck angle, 40 deg, supposedly came from his experimentation as well. He thought the min body taper combined with the steep, but not too steep, shoulder drastically reduced the forward flow of the brass potentially increasing brass life. the 40 deg shoulder, the most shallow angle he could find in his experimentation, in theory, dont think he ever made any conclusions, converged inside the neck of the case, and may (see my note earlier in this sentence) reduce throat erosion. Dont know of any evidence to support this either way. In any case, supposedly forward brass flow was supposedly drastically reduced. Conversely, too much taper, lke the 300 H&H, has incredibly short brass life. Yet another point, lots of factory cartridges since like the 1960's to date have features from so called improved cartridges such as min body taper, steeper necks (generally 30-35 degrees although 243 win, 260 rem, 7-08 rem, etc are like 25 degrees or less. better feeding characteristics, I'll bet): 243 Win 260 Rem 7-08 Rem 30 TC, 6 and 6.5 Creedmoore 6 and 6.5x47 Lapua All the Weatherby cartridges The Rem RUM and RSUM The Win WSM so on and so forth.... Would love to hear from someone who is familiar with Ackley's thoughts address their experiences with potentially useful data on what seems clear to me what Ackley's primary motives for his line of improved cartridges. If you like to tinker and find things out, AI might be a place to go. There is a cost in terms of finance and effort. Bit of a mouthful, my bad, Matt
@andybreglia9431
@andybreglia9431 3 жыл бұрын
Heard about .45-70 improved. No real gain in ballistics, but made it difficult to chamber these level 3 cartridges in wrong-action-strength rifles.
@paulking8055
@paulking8055 Жыл бұрын
It's not just about performance, case life in some calibers is greatly improved such as the 22-250AI.
@LionAstrology
@LionAstrology 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another video gunblue.☺.. would a 22k hornet be considered an improved cartridge of 22 hornet?
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is. However, due to its very small size and rather low velocity, the proportion of velocity gain is quite good, giving around 100 to 150 additional feet per second. That is, adding 25 yards to a 150 yard varmint round is more meaningful than 25 to a 400 yard round.
@LionAstrology
@LionAstrology 6 жыл бұрын
@@GunBlue490 Nice! Thanks explains why my grandfather did it to his hornet. It was the first center fire rifle me and my brother were allowed to shoot and i still have it. God bless.
@ronladuke7235
@ronladuke7235 3 жыл бұрын
Those velocity numbers for the 7 mag are very conservative. My 24 inch barrel 7mag shot 160-162 grain bullets over 3000 FPS. On a ohler 33 cronograph. These loads were not showing pressure signs and I reloaded hundreds of them.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 3 жыл бұрын
Your loads are certainly standard top listed loadings found in manuals; nothing out of the usual for individual firearms. The industry does not load to the top for very good reasons. Such relatively small velocity increases doesn't materially affect my comments.
@andreiyermakovich1149
@andreiyermakovich1149 6 жыл бұрын
It feels like instead of improving your cartridge, it's just better to get a rifle in different 'standard' caliber that matches your needs.
@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751
@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751 3 жыл бұрын
Standard is great as long as the crowd likes it . 40 cal ... 222 It really comes down to how well a cartridge can meet a specific users criteria. An interesting line of thought in this arena is the currently "popular" 300 black out . Early adoptors were using it for their particular requirements , but the crowd "popular cartridge " gang thought it was a novelty and would be flash in the pan . Today , it still hanging around , yet the super common 40 s&w ? Two very different stories , of course . Point is , don't hem yourself in a corner , nor going insane chasing one offs.
@oreopuppydawg1564
@oreopuppydawg1564 6 жыл бұрын
Great information as always and I hope Benny has a speedy recovery!
@danieljboissevain
@danieljboissevain 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Captain, I commend you on your knowledge and obvious passion for "all-things-Firearms" - You're the Man! I have been a subscriber for nearly 2 years and you have continued to keep me engaged and interested in your channel, video's and its contents. Captain, there's a world of so-called professionals out there today who all boast about how good they are, which compared to your "Natural" passion and depth of knowledge are worlds apart! I thank you for sharing your world of "all-things-Firearms" with us... Also while I am at, thank you for also being transparent about allowng God into your life and sharing your faith with us, one last point worthy of a mention is this... Thank you for being honest, transparent and truthful and NOT having any EGO in your life and beliefs, I really appreciate it, Bless you Captain !!!!
@montaramike
@montaramike 6 жыл бұрын
So happy Benny is doing well
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Me too. Thanks.
@gregmastriano4194
@gregmastriano4194 6 жыл бұрын
I had a 280 Ackley built and it is a tack driver, Much less case stretch and better than 7mm mag performance in a non belted configuration 140 gr at 3200 is a flat shooter for sure
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but I think your chronograph requires servicing. I trust the laws of physics, and a safe pressure Ackley load will not yield an increase of 200 feet per second in any chambering, and never has. There's no magic offered in internal ballistics, no matter what caliber it is.
@racrx728
@racrx728 6 жыл бұрын
@@GunBlue490 : Greg is right on point with his velocit. That's easily attained with a 26-28" barrel. I suggest you take a look at noslers reloading data for 280ai. Plenty of 140 loads there well over 3200 fps. After looking at that I may be ordering a 280ai barrel to replace my 270 win.......
@joshuahunt1210
@joshuahunt1210 5 жыл бұрын
@@GunBlue490 ​ Your videos are wonderful and I'm very grateful for your knowledge. However, we no longer live in the 1980's and chronographs are readily available to the public... Ackley Improved cartridges regularly produce a 200fps gain over standard today with "modern powders." With Reloader 17 the 140gr 280 Remington (not improved) is already producing ~3100fps out of a 24 inch test barrel according to Alliant Load Data. Bumping it to ai, Greg's report of 3200fps is within safe limits using R17 with a 24 inch barrel. Case in point: the 22 Hornet with a 45 grain bullet regularly produces ~2400-2500 fps with old powders. (IMR4227, H110). However, I'm now shooting my grandfather's 22 Hornet at 2750fps with zero pressure signs with lil'gun powder and a CCI small pistol primer. I can't get enough lil'gun in the case to cause any pressure signs! Reaming it out to 22 K Hornet will add ~200fps+ to most 22 Hornet rifles using lil'gun powder or CFEBLK. Just look at Hodgdon's published data if you don't believe me. You have wonderful knowledge but put WAY too much faith in the manufacturers.
@Dave-cf2ng
@Dave-cf2ng 5 жыл бұрын
I have a .280 ai and shoot a 140 accubond out of a 26 in barrel at 3200 FPS.
@falba1492
@falba1492 4 жыл бұрын
GunBlue490 - Waiting to hear your comments on the 280 AI. I can confirm what people here are saying is true about the load data. No need to calibrate any chronos lol
@greybone777
@greybone777 2 жыл бұрын
Two items being overlooked are the design was intended to modify burn rate and better center the cartridge in the chamber.
@Greyzonecompliant
@Greyzonecompliant 6 жыл бұрын
So to improve a rifle. You buy a longer barrel. And improve it with a match grade chamber in standard dimensions. Or you spend all the money on bullets, and improve yourself. Thank you for all info. Cheers from Sweden.
@thecheapshot1065
@thecheapshot1065 3 жыл бұрын
I am listening to this and I am glad that my improvision was free. But yeah the numbers hurt
@nathandurmaz3868
@nathandurmaz3868 6 жыл бұрын
Hi sir glad to hear Benny doing good and thanks for all the videos. Any plans to make a video about gun powders for newbies like me? I just bought a 6mm creedmoor(Ruger precision rifle 24 inch barrel) and new to reloading, I keep hearing people talk about cool burning powders(H1000) and how some of them will give you more barrel life and better for your gun in general. As I can understand in return you loose some speed? Thank you again.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
I've done a vid on powders. The primary issue is accuracy performance. Regardless of marketing claims, no powder is more accurate than another, unless it is accurate in your particular cartridge/rifle combination, based on YOUR testing. Everything else is entirely irrelevant. H1000 powder is no different than any other, and can be expected to do anything more than other powders. It's all about your rifle. H1000 powder performed terribly in my trials and recoil was horrible. If you want my opinion, stick with single based extruded powders, and you will have cleaner burning, more consistent accuracy across all charge weights, and generally better overall performance.
@nathandurmaz3868
@nathandurmaz3868 6 жыл бұрын
ok thank you.
@save4775
@save4775 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your videos. Always educational. Thank you!
@montaramike
@montaramike 6 жыл бұрын
I wish people and businesses selling used guns in my area would realize that a used gun is worth less than a new gun.
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
That's a quite common issue these days that has much to do with internet auction sales where folks are selling very used guns as if new, just because they have a box... Not always even the serial numbered box. As long as people reward such antics and buy them, it'll continue.
@twintwo1429
@twintwo1429 4 жыл бұрын
Almost all sectors of the used gun market is flooded. I wish more people would realize this and turn down these high used gun prices. If you dont pay it, they can't sell it. There are too many great new guns at good prices. This is why I have bought only 1 used gun in my life.
@sexsmith31
@sexsmith31 5 жыл бұрын
the fps gains are in heaver bullets when you up the powder up the bullet grains and you will find the smaller cases don't keep up
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill 6 жыл бұрын
I noticed savage is chambering in 280 Ackley now.
@TexanUSMC8089
@TexanUSMC8089 5 жыл бұрын
280 Ackley was saami spec in 2008 I think. Now Nosler, Hornady, and Federal make ammo for it.
@hennys63
@hennys63 2 жыл бұрын
Re Ackley imp video: Pros: 1) Ackley admitted that results were often poor when working w/ ctgs w/ little body taper to start with. 2) The loads in his manuals were HOT! 3) John Barsness (Handloader & Rifle ) seems to have proven his " Rule of 4" beyond any doubt. ( it takes a 20% increase in powder to produce a 5% increase in velocity) . Cons: as long as the distance from the case head to the datum line hasn't changed in the imp. ctg. standard cases CAN be fired in the Imp. chamber w/o case stretching @ the web . 2) W/ certain ctgs. 30.30 & .303 British being prime examples, switching to an Imp. chamber can dramatically extend case life by reducing the excessive body taper which leads to shortened case life. This has the added benefit of reducing case thrust against the bolt face. However, for the reasons cited in the video this would not be a wise move w/ an old,valuable Win. M94. For a sporterized Lee Enfield or P14 (which are still far from rare up here ) it might have benefits. (Full disclosure: I have reamers for both.)
@majorpayne5289
@majorpayne5289 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this and all of your videos! Wishing the absolute best for you and Benny! May our Lord & Savior continue To bless you, Sir. (“Be still and know that I am God”) -(Psalm 46:10) - Thanks for the information provided. This allows me more avenues to research- ✌️
@GunBlue490
@GunBlue490 6 жыл бұрын
My bride and I really appreciate your prayers. Benny just came in from chasing his chipmunk friends around the front porch, and is doing incredibly well. God Bless you and yours, and stay well.
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