IMPROVED F-22 Raptor vs Su-57 Felon: 5th Gen Dogfight | DCS

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[@justinsmith9135]

Seriously, when is the mod pack coming out?!?!? It’s been forever, just make a repository so we can download them. It’s getting frustrating

[@grimreapers]

All available for download now. Mod links in vid description.

[@dabakker5535]

maibe im stupit and blind but i cant find it 😭

[@sentinel8185]

@@grimreaperslinks to the video or links to the mod websites? Can’t seem to find them.

[@laportemateo1598]

@@grimreapers unfortunately the only mod links in the description is the one linking to your mods videos.... Kinda feel like you owe it your your viewers to sometimes share a mod or flight model. It's kinda like staring at an ice-cream without ever being able to eat it, you become frustrated until you don't want it anymore.

[@samuelpinetree]

Raptor needs some updates for sure but it really comes down to pilot skills

[@smurfkilla420]

Growling sidewinder has no problems that dude is a beast

[@trolleriffic]

@@smurfkilla420 He's also full of it, but I can't deny that makes some entertaining videos. In the real world, the aircraft matters more than the pilot unless both planes are relatively close in technological terms. When Israel got F-15s they had rookie pilots fly them against their best combat veterans, and the vets got their asses handed to them - they were far better pilots but against mediocre opponents in much better aircraft they had no chance. In this scenario, the Su-57 wouldn't even make it to the dogfight without being shot down.

[@scottmanthey3549]

​@@smurfkilla420I was thinking same.

[@skatman3278]

Meh, if it gets into a dogfight, something is wrong. It'll kill anything that exists before they get a chance to even see it.

[@samuelpinetree]

@@smurfkilla420 yeah might must be the mod gr is using for the 22. we need to have a head to head compassion dogfight with growling sidewinder and grim reapers jets

[@mcguffin1265]

If Simba found the f22 so unstable with large rudder input, something is wrong with the flight model based on how it behaves in Growling Sidewinder’s videos and what you can see IRL at air shows. Also, I think the F22 mod has no thrust vectoring, so one should either turn that off for the Felon or buff some other parameters in the F22 SFM to boost the turn rate. My understanding is the Felon came after the F22 had the helmet sight, so again that would need to be disabled in the Felon or added to the F22. Finally, in a 1 turn post merge fight with HOB IR missiles, surely you would keep burners off - you’d trade ending up slower for lower IR signature. No idea if the IR model in DCS is anywhere near good enough to capture this though. Anyway, great video to prompt discussion & great to hear the comments on both planes!

[@mildmanneredthinkingman9323]

I was wondering myself. It seems a bit nerfed. Seeing Simba have issues and it suddenly going into what looked like a flat spin. Was anything changed for it's handling? It seemed rather nerfed than before.

[@brennansnitkey8530]

I heard somewhere that the AIM9X had optical tracking with IR tracking. If that is true then I think the IR signature doesn't matter as much

[@bmhendricks]

No doubt. SU57 flight model revision is obviously OP, and no HMD on Raptor. 🤨

[@bmhendricks]

That SU57 is such a beast in Ukraine as well…too scared to actually deploy the thing. 😂

[@leonleeoff2216]

​@bmhendricks you just wait til their new T-54s and mig 15s come out! 😂

[@kensmith174]

HMD was a huge advantage for the SU57

[@grimreapers]

Yeh made it a bit unfair TBH.

[@DDayJayke]

I find it funny how Cap is like the only person I have seen in DCS who shoots two missiles at an enemy like it is Ace Combat

[@ryanpayne7707]

5:06: That's a kill, not aa draw. In WWII, and SBD collided with a Zero while in a dogfight. The Zero crashed, while the SBD returned to its carrier, landed, and was repaired.

[@hanrockabrand95]

There was also that Israeli F-15 that made it back to base and landed while missing a wing. RTB = win for me!

[@stevenmiller184]

The HMD is the difference. It gives the "Shoot first" advantage, it's as if the Felon has a tighter turn radius. If the Raptor had HMD, the Raptor would have a much better chance.

[@protogenxl]

Have you upgraded the SU-57 screws from Grip-Rite to SPAX?

[@grimreapers]

Gaffa tape.

[@nvb9218]

Try merging at a lower speed like 350 knots - it might make your circle tighter.

[@boom1538]

yeah.. they go burning into the merge...

[@MattWaller04]

Awesome! I think dogfighting is where the SU-57 really shines, ironically.

[@foshizzlfizzl]

Why ironically?

[@fiercemidget]

@@foshizzlfizzlI think because stealth aircraft aren’t supposed to dogfight

[@evank8459]

@@foshizzlfizzlBC modern dogfighting is an oxymoron

[@ianwilkey2283]

Xxxçc⁹⁹9⁹⁹⁹9 I 7😊

[@twowheelstouring482]

Seriously, some people will believe anything!

[@TheNecromancer6666]

You should really make a semi realistic Su57, we all know its not combat capable in reallife. At best there are 6 ones that can fly at all. But imagine it does work, but give it actual SU 57 stealth. So the radar cross section of, roughly, the F-18 E/F and the same avionics and electronics, weapons and engines as the SU 35.

[@CROW1-2]

As always a pleasure to watch your videos! Believe it or not, your videos actually got me into building my own PC and into DCS! Thanks for unknowingly making my life better!

[@grimreapers]

Cool

[@simmonsjoe]

I'm not sure the "fair engagement" is really a fair assessment of their abilities. In real life the radar advantage of the F22 means he will likely get to decide when and how the engagement starts.

[@thefatefulforce8887]

Should have done a guns-only dual to add to the mix as well. But still entertaining as always.

[@DR-jq9bg]

I agree that an HMD in the Raptor would be a game changer, not to mention more realistic. Great video!

[@wc9229]

You make good videos.

[@TheUberSchattenjager]

Isn't it time for a Growling Sidewinder challenge?

[@Fatallydisorganized]

Fun fact: Russian aircraft with thrust vectoring have never had “3D” thrust vectoring. If you pay attention to the nozzles movement they are actually 2D nozzles but they are canted inwards to give better rudder authority.

[@grimreapers]

I think it's called Ovigal vectoring?

[@Fatallydisorganized]

@@grimreapers it's still 2D vectoring. It does have the benefit of increasing rudder authority at high AoA but it is severely limited compared to the true 3D vectoring experiments the US played around with. In either case 3D vectoring is just way to expensive and way to difficult to maintain making it ill suited for a combat aircraft.

[@jonathantoymaker]

Wrong...3D

[@Fatallydisorganized]

@@jonathantoymaker 3D means it moves in all directions. It can't.

[@jonathantoymaker]

@@Fatallydisorganized Stop speaking for Russian technology please 🙄

[@clydester2677]

I love these videos, we need more naval battles.

[@jonathantoymaker]

Bias...but interesting 😊

[@cxzact9204]

My question is how do you guys have any info to base the flight model of the Felon on like its maneuverability and turn radius? It's generally accepted that the russian arms industry likes to fudge a bit for foreign marketing purposes. There's only been like a dozen serial Su57 models built anyway and I'd wager there are probably serious discrepancies even among those.

[@hanrockabrand95]

I imagine the capabilities of a Felon come down to each individual bird. Was this one riveted with care? Did that one have a competent maintenance crew? It's a factor with any plane, but I think the confidence intervals are a noticeably wider for Russian craft. One Su-57 might be able to pull 9 g while another might rip a wing off after 6 g.

[@cxzact9204]

@@hanrockabrand95My thoughts exactly. And not it's not like the F22 is infallible either, some have crashed with mechanical failure. But there are at least 100 mission capable Raptors; maybe 6 Felons, at best. Then again the Raptor production line ended almost a decade before the Felon's even started, so whether they're actually a comparable platform is kinda debatable too.

[@marcdavis4509]

The US has over 20 years of lead time on the SU 57 that’s primarily just flown over Syria. It’s over modeled and it’s cute to play 1v1 irl it’s not even close. The SU 57 is at best a 4.5 gen

[@mirjanaandic3113]

And f22 has just popped balloons and btw you are right, irl its not even close, the Su57 has superior maneuverability, its not over modeled, you clearly haven't seen its capabilities and you're just an f22 fanboy that can't accept the reality

[@omega_hannibal5766]

Thanks for the video, it was very well produced and fun as always. Would you consider upgrading the Raptor to the B variant with the HMD and the Su-57 to the M variant with the more powerful engine?

[@dexlab7539]

Super Fun - Thanks Cap!

[@charlie15627]

I'm not upset. The 57 is a beautiful aircraft. It was built specifically to counter the 22 and it does so beautifully. We can now use the knowledge we've gained from our own 5th gen aircraft and what we've deduced from Russia's, to build the next gen.

[@loicalex]

The F22 is almost surely the better BVR plane, but in a dofight the Felon being more effective should not be surprising. Lighter with a bigger a = it turns tighter in a 1 circle, because it bleeds more speed in instant turn.

[@theovertaker214]

did f22 have thrust vectoring

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@theovertaker214]

@@grimreapers thank you

[@jcremeringful]

Loved it!!

[@profo4544]

doesnt look like the thrust vectoring is working on whatever model you made for the f-22.

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@Raptor1970]

Love the games as always, but I do miss the amount of players. It used to add so much more variability especially to this one on one gameplay…..

[@tombeers3489]

So...the AIM-9X is HOBS, but Raptor has no HMD to take advantage of those precious 2 or 3 seconds of earlier acquisition in the one-circle. It is what it is.

[@jmtpolitico80]

This should be exciting!!! Can't wait!!!

[@Anarchy_420]

Yo Cap Please create a scenario with The SR-72 "Darkstar", B-21 Raider, and it'd b cool af if you guys could use "The Hypersonic UFO" as NGAD, if not I understand and in that case please use The Raptor ;) However it would be epic to see all three 6th gen aircraft DCS has to offer in one Vid!🙏👍

[@grimreapers]

Yup got SR-72 this weekend.

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers yeah I watched the vid ;) what do you think about using The Morgan/"Hypersonic UFO" as a DCS representation of NGAD?? I would really love to see all three 6th gen aircraft in one vid!🙏 again if not it'd still be cool to see The SR-72 and B-21 at least😅 was thinking a full blown futurist battle! Couple SR-72's in bombing configuration, NGAD(or The Raptor;) escorts, and Five* B-21's to follow up!! Lol if you do go with The F-22 please use the Metallic Coating!👍

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers oh that Vid was 12 days ago lol you mean you yourself just got it😅

[@MannsModelMoments]

The F-22 should be able to use its rudders without flat spinning - not sure the flight model presented accurately replicates the Raptor's real world performance as seen even in flight displays (where the pilots are not pushing the envelope). Still, the HMD is a definite advantage, although it's redundant if the Felon was killed 20 miles before the merge by a Fox-3....

[@foshizzlfizzl]

None of those models are accurate...

[@Anarchy_420]

The Raptor really needs an HMD! Now that you guys have The Metallic Coating which reduces further slightly the RCS further greatly reduces IR signature and also allows for greater acceleration n top speed since it doesn't have to worry about melting off the RAM! With an HMD added your moving into the realm of The Super Raptor! Upgrades through NGAD in a two way trading of technologies as The Raptor is being used as a stop gap solution for these advanced technologies!

[@Anarchy_420]

Lol what I've taken away from this is you've spent time making The SU-57 better, lmao now you NEED to do the same with The F-22*, apparently the boys would agree!😅🙏

[@zahnatom]

@@Anarchy_420 i'm glad that GR makes their changes to these jets because from what i've seen the SU-57 is pure propaganda plane. its hilarious what kind of garbage they're using for "sources"

[@awdturbopowah773]

Massive congrats to the Felon -- now if it only existed outside video games...

[@coreymoyers]

You believe the propaganda too much.

[@PXDJACKERZZZ]

​@coreymoyers There are barely dozen in service. But yes, there's definitely 300 somewhere that the Russians are hiding from the evil West

[@fiercemidget]

@@coreymoyersthey have 1/3 of the F22 American fleet according to RUSSIAN propaganda and they aren’t being used in Ukraine so they don’t believe in the stealth capabilities against nato weapons.

[@amazin7006]

@@fiercemidget definitely not 1/3rd. 1/3rd would be over 50. They have only 3 operational su57. These are not using the new engine either.

[@amazin7006]

@@coreymoyers Its not propaganda when anyone can see it with their eyes. Exposed rivets and panel gaps, exposed irst, no coating, weaker AESA radar etc. These are my own observations, not what I read.

[@johneckert1690]

QUESTION: Does this F-22 Raptor (the one used in this exercise) have thrust vectoring? The reason I ask is because the flat spin problem is known, and the thrust vectoring helped correct this problem. Also, the flight control computers won't allow the aircraft to get into an attitude for the flat spin to happen. Just as the light control computers on the B-2 will not allow the pilot to stall the aircraft.

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@Faded-420]

Hobs was why he’s getting missiles off first cap

[@steffenjespersen247]

If everything else being equal it is likely to think the SU-57 could do better with its full vector thrust in dogfight. Just like the F22 would likely win in all ranges beyond that.

[@grah55]

Yes that's a pretty accurate take given what we see online. The issue however is there's alot of misinformation about the Su-57's stealth and the missiles it would use and how well they perform. The full stealth considered test and production models are alot stealthier than any most online modesl has shown up until now (comparably to F-22 and F-35, it's due to the heavy bias by those testing to just assume random things about the Su-57 despite information about almost everything about it being available, including the partial S duct and S duct on demand drop down radar blocker). The Su-57 actually shoots very well at much further ranges.

[@MrVanderchevy18]

I would love it if you could also update the F-35. Pretty please.

[@grimreapers]

Pretty much done now. Not tested.

[@MrVanderchevy18]

@@grimreapers You're the best!

[@robertvantine2810]

I was wondering if the Grim Reapers could give an explanation as to how they chose or reveived their call signs.

[@Firedad376]

No more mocking me for the Collison in A10 vs Harrier!

[@alleycatsphinx]

Your progress in coding and modding is inspirational. : )

[@QHyper_Human]

I feel like the Russian missile shouldn't even be able to lock on unless the F-22's Weapon bay doors are open.

[@TheStormpilgrim]

"That's an expensive way of testing." _NASA engineer fidgets awkwardly_

[@piconano]

... but the SU-57 cockpit looks like a cartoon drawing.

[@RobertReg1]

Want to see Simba V Longshot & Growling sidewinder... Good control of his plane. Great vid, thanks for work on mods, DCS vids have been a cool genre i enjoy.

[@poklianon8453]

What about the system that blindes the fox 2s with a laser?

[@djooable]

CAN YOU TRY THIS SCENARIO USING RVV-MD2

[@aztec0112]

Fight #3, you did that lead turn which helped neutralize it ever so slightly

[@Umbreona]

If the Raptor had its proper Thrust vectoring it would win with ease.

[@blackhatch46]

No, because the 57 has 3D vectoring.

[@FuckYouYouFuck]

Why though?

[@garlicdragon8664]

Neither of them had thrust vectoring

[@War_Diesel]

Everybody keep in mind that this. VIDEO GAME will not an any way shape or form, give a truly accurate depiction of what these two aircraft are capable of. It's a video game.

[@420bigcat5]

Been trying to use the felon, do you need a module to use it? I have the su-33 and that’s it I believe as far as Russian jets go

[@harryhoudini714]

see this happens if you put two jets against each other who both have a "teleport to enemies six button". You either get draws or "roll the dice".

[@midnightrider1100]

I think the only way to fight these two aircraft is to start out at long range and let them do their thing. A lot of stuff would have to happen for them to get into a visual dogfight, something they both excel at but would never attempt to do.

[@blainesitter9110]

THE RADAR WON'T LET THEM GET THAT CLOSE CAP.

[@jamison884]

I'm NOT good at DCS, I just observe. Were you guys going to the merge too fast here? It looks really fast and the turns looked a little sluggush, as if the speed was too high and bleeding off the velocity was stressing the airframe? At least on some of the merges.

[@rolandlee6898]

People citing that RCS number for the Raptor is an epic face palm moment every time... That number was literally made by someone who knows nothing about stealth. RCS is NOT a fixed number to begin with, so no one can actually cite it since it depends entirely on other factors. Two, even in deal conditions and 30+ ton piece of metal will never have that kind of RCS in any reasonable scenario. Its completely idiotic.

[@bmhendricks]

Don’t know why the SU-57 gets all the experimental missiles, not to mention the damn plane barely exist in real life. The F22 actually has a HMD…why not in game?

[@waderedsox]

isnt that raptor model also missing thrust vectoring?

[@Mobius118]

I believe that’s correct

[@bukweat]

Is it? Why even use it.

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@waderedsox]

@@grimreapersmaybe this is just an animation thing then? but at about 9:50 the felons nozzles point in opposite directions making it look like the thrust vectoring is working

[@ComfortsSpecter]

8:25 Wombat Throwing

[@patricktho6546]

Would vector thrust help the 22?

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@jonathantoymaker]

We have 2D...Russia has 3D

[@patricktho6546]

@@grimreapers thanks. Good that it now is implemented for humans

[@patricktho6546]

@@jonathantoymaker interesting

[@sFde46]

just stupid question: doesn't raptor have the fancy helmet that allows it to shoot rockets 90degs to the side?

[@grimreapers]

In real life it now does, in game it does not yet have it.

[@Ssarah88466]

I want more modern naval battles

[@patricktho6546]

4:55 Amerikanium is stronger than Stalinium 2.0 Russia edit.

[@jaws013]

My only question other than hmd being a massive diff. It feels like something is wrong with the flight model on f22. It looks sluggish in the turn. Maybe vectoring issue?

[@Madhuntr]

09:53 THE THRUST VECTORING ON THE SU57 IS fixed XD. i hated it when i always went in the oposite direction XD

[@djzoodude]

Side note, I really hope someone makes a US Constellation class frigate mod for DCS soon. Would be interesting to see it used.

[@jamison884]

I've put in that suggestion/request many months ago now. I believe it's at least in the "to do" pile.

[@Pablo668]

I’m not really sure how you guys fly in this sim. I often stall out or flat spin in my Harrier if I manoeuvre too harshly. No idea how you guys get a feel for it.

[@Blu0tuth0ninja]

The harrier is particularly sensitive to too much stick input. Most aircraft have a limit to how hard you can pull without it misbehaving. That's normal. Pull less.

[@grimreapers]

Seriously I was like that for few couple of years. Takes AGES to learn the "feel" of the planes.

[@TheBlueOne217]

Felon certainly showing its superior maneuverability, being a high AOA fighter and all

[@loicalex]

Yeah people act surprised the Felon is a slight better dogfigther. It's significantly lighter with a bigger airframe. Means it bleeds speed faster and that's how you turn tighter in a 1 circle fight, especially with these type of missiles. HMD is the overkill

[@TheBlueOne217]

@@loicalex not to mention omni-directional thrust vectoring and more efficient control surfaces

[@blackhatch46]

I know its not possible now, but until there is thrust vectoring this will not be accurate.

[@REktSigMa]

They need to make a full fidelity F-22 Raptor on this Simulator. Like what in this plane is so secret that they can't even let a video game have its specs? Like let me find out that a F-22 pilot can play a game of Pacman on the enemy radar screen. Pacman would be the Raptor and the little ghosts would be an enemy squadron, hunting them down 1 by 1 eating them till the last one remains on the screen which is you. As he flies up beside you then goes vertical upside-down cockpit to cockpit looking at you. Like that would be very disrespectful. LOL.

[@brentgustafson5484]

I think if the 22 had a HMD it would help it out but Simba explained the rutter problem perfectly

[@darrylsmith7871]

"Come hell or high water, NGAD will have an HMD or heads will roll!"

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Interesting and different.

[@andrewknox92]

What is the effect of using wood screws on the Felon (femboy) model?

[@valentinmoerth2279]

Grinellis mod, doesn't have thrustvectoring right? That should make a huge difference...

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@devinmarks4049]

NO MISSLES, JUST GUNS!

[@djzoodude]

IRL the Su-57 would probably be about 50/50 with the Raptor in a dogfight, assuming equal pilot skill. (Though if a Raptor pilot let an Su-57 get into visual range for a dogfight, they fucked up.) In DCS the lack of an HMD for the Raptor was probably the difference here, though the way the Raptor bled speed when using rudder may indicate a flight model issue.

[@jamesfletcher9032]

If both aircraft have hmd in real life and f22 doesn't have it modelled. Remove it or don't allow use of it in su57 for even representation

[@thejaimes412]

Any way to do these at night?

[@esbuenodun]

Can we get a @growlingsidewinder special guest appearance?

[@crazyhorse18]

Top 👍👍

[@Txderek]

Can we see YF 23 vs SU 57?

[@gail_blue]

I think the thrust vectoring is too strong on the felon. Yes, it has "3d" thrust vectoring, but irl that puts a more restrictive limit on how far it can pitch vector.

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@gail_blue]

@@grimreapers thanks for the info! I'm wondering how correct the public numbers are on the su57; just looking at its top view it should have a much higher moment of inertia compared to the f22.

[@drrocketman7794]

5:01 Raptor ftw

[@jonathantoymaker]

J-20 and J-35 is waiting 😊

[@jamesmaddison4546]

Hang on I think this is the raptor mod that doesn't have tvc, which would explain why it's turning so poorly

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@jordanhinderliter3784]

Hardly a fight without thrust vectoring on the f-22

[@mortoopz]

Yeah... F22 is a cancelled project, there will never again be a new one born (that much awesome is expensive)...... this vid should've probably been F35 ..... That said, YAY!, Love your vids, big fan, etc.

[@chrislash8493]

Where is the thrust vectoring?

[@grimreapers]

Neither jet had TVC in this battle. On Sunday we'll do a follow up vid showing the TVC.

[@garymyers6638]

The RAM on the Felon is poopoo quality and only works in the imagination of the PR guys in Russia. The Felon also does not have Gen 5th Radar defeating edges, etc. (engineering is at best 4.5th gen) Also, and I keep saying this, depending upon which sources you trust, they have somewhere between 3 and zero actual working models with the correct engine and depending upon whether or not they were able to salvage parts from the destroyed prototypes. Also, the software operating the sensors has failed and crashed in flight causing losses, etc. You give them the credit they soooooo do not reserve. The Raptor is a monster and the Felon is a dream not yet realized.

[@dustinkeim179]

Yf23 vs raptor rematch

[@trolleriffic]

Considering YF-23 is a 33 year-old museum piece with only the most basic avionics and sensors (with being an early prototype), putting it against a production F-22 would be a bit of a mismatch. The YF-23 cockpit is literally that of a Strike Eagle, neither of the models built ever demonstrated that they could fire a missile, and they couldn't even fall back to using their gun because they didn't have one. Probably make for a boring video watching it get curb stomped over and over without even putting up a fight.

[@dustinkeim179]

@@trolleriffic no offense but you literally don’t know what your talking about

[@scottmanthey3549]

Hate to say this because I love you guys, but I agree with Cap, this was boring. Remove the missiles and go guns only like GS does and that would be interesting. This was turn and shoot over and over and mostly comes down to a dice roll.

[@leonleeoff2216]

Just a reminder that ruzzian pilots have to tape early 2000s gps devices to their planes..

[@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E]

The R-74M is new Russian Short-Range Missile?

[@grimreapers]

Designed for the Su-57 as far as I understand.

[@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E]

@@grimreapers Ok.

[@poklianon8453]

Real life situations would be much more interesting, all the jets will be on the deck from the start and not head on, that gives some interesting geography

[@nopants3560]

Real plane verses fake prototype😂

[@theswiller85]

The difference between 2-d and 3-d thrust vectoring

[@godofchicken3749]

@@SovereignVishe replied to a different comment saying neither aircraft used thrust vectoring for this and there will be a later video with it

[@Rennsportmx]

Jamming the WEZ was nowhere to be seen in this video. Have to turn before you merge………

[@ccbb6387]

pretty sure the rivets would pop if the felon turned that hard lol

[@DefaultProphet]

Gimped raptor vs fake Felon.