Improved input lag! 😲 The latest MSI QD-OLED monitor firmware updates tested

[@boom6780]

Thanks for another great video TFT! I’ve been using the 271qrx and loving it coming from IPS1080p. One thing Ive found is sometimes the monitor doesn’t recognize when HDR is on or off in Ps5 or windows. Other than it’s been great.

[@tftcentral]

Strange, I haven't noticed that at all myself during all our testing. Does it do that over HDMI only, or DP too?

[@ALFGamingTV]

Wow this is funny. asus support said that on pg32ucdm a 19ms input lag on 60hz is "normal" - wonder WHat will they tell now when on msi you will get 4-5ms with 60hz refresh rate. asus...

[@Accuaro]

And Asus be charging a hecken premium too. I have the MSI MAG 321UPX which is the cheaper version of the 321URX and just updated to FW.019 which also included input lag. Definitely gonna buy another MSI monitor in the future, possibly Gigabyte too!

[@Multimeter1]

ASUS OLEDS HAVE HORRIBLE latency. Jumped from a XB273U NX 275 hz 1440p GSYNC module to OLED 1440 240 hz XG27AQDMG and the click latency and screen latency is horrible. It’s for sure the monitor. Or the cheap scaler they use. I wonder if the PG OLED 240 hz has a better controller. People laughed at gsync modules, but they are just superior!

[@ALFGamingTV]

@@Multimeter1 BIG LETTERS. all of the qd-oleds gen.3 tech panels comes from smas-u-ng - all vendors do have exactly the same latency with 240hz. as fot g-sync module - it is actually removing vrr-flicker (somewhat) from qd-oled aw3423dw (go reat t-rings review). ips with dedicated g-sunc are great - but ips glow, no hdr abd back light back light b-le-ed is a BIG problem.

[@Multimeter1]

@@ALFGamingTVnot true Gsync modules gives better latency for in games. I tested this already and did blind testing with 5 other people

[@ALFGamingTV]

@@Multimeter1 better latency with this module only for ips-va tech - that is true. for oled this module is useless - exept making vrr flickering less agressive.

[@moresauce3000]

Hey, do you know if MSI mag 271QPX QD-OLED E2 (240hz ver) has similar input lag issues as the monitors in this video?

[@TheAstralen]

I was hoping you'd clarify point number 3 "Fixed Panel Protect abnormal behavior while the "Power Button" option is set to standby." for the 321URX. On my first unit I remember never seeing the Panel Protect window as I wasn't using my monitor more than 4hrs daily. On my second unit which I instantly updated to FW11, when Panel Protect set to Auto, the screen wouldn't do a Pixel Refresh on standby. It would only do Pixel Refresh if the monitor was on, except if I would have clicked "Later" when the window would appear. But now when I've selected "16hr", the screen will do Pixel Refresh after 4hrs of consecutive use after the monitor is in Stand-by mode (more or less like an LG TV). I would personally have hoped that the monitor does a Pixel Refresh every time the monitor goes into Standby, regardless of how long it's been turned on.

[@steadychaosproductions3376]

awesome update for those playing on console!

[@r3mixdaxim3r]

No updates for 271QPX?

[@Arctioa]

He probably didn’t include it because qrx and qpx are the same thing just different hz lol

[@razorgcy]

@@Arctioa They are both 360Hz...

[@Arctioa]

@@razorgcy you are on drugs m8

[@razorgcy]

@@Arctioa Don't confuse it with 271QPX E2, "mate"!

[@jeesonbaktha6315]

Thanks TFTCentral! Between 321urx and aw3225qf, which is more color accurate in hdr and sdr? Which has better gamma tracking? I keep hearing MSI oversaturated hdr and is too dark gamma in sdr? When I do lagom black level test for MSI, the squares 1-6 I can’t see in sdr but in hdr it looks washed out? On aw3225qf I can’t see square 1 but rest I can see in both hdr and sdr

[@tftcentral]

probably best to have a read through the review of the AW3225QF and the video of the MPG 321URX to pick out the parts that are relevant., although if you've got both then i guess you can decide which you prefer anyway?

[@jeesonbaktha6315]

I know in ur review for the MSI there’s a delta of 4-5 in hdr but in other reviews like monitors unboxed I see delta e of 7-15. Idk which to trust. I also seen that aw targets srgb gamma whereas MSI targets 2.2?

[@NoLxve-yi5yq]

msi271qpx qd oled e2 owner. im on FW.019 Firmware, i didnt get a USBA TO USBB cable , on their website i can only see 2 Firmware SOP an Scaler - Firmware. how do i go about this THANK YOU

[@drakewilliams6069]

The latest firmware for the MAG 271QPX QD-OLED E2 appears to be firmware FW.022. This monitor does not have USBB ports which is why the USBB cable is not included. You will need to connect this monitor to PC via Displayport and update the monitor that way.

[@flatfish-d9o]

Have there been no significant FW updates from Gigabyte or Alienware for their QDs? Could you look at the TCL 27R83U, it's a 27" 4k 160hz HVA FALD with 1000+ dimming zones and very impressive HDR luminance.

[@tftcentral]

Gigabyte have released a few minor updates but nothing big

[@Eusebiugh]

I had this monitor. It is good, the blooming is minimal. Brightness is super but the monitor get so hot. Hot on touch actually. And monitor got stucked many times, especially when i was switching from a tv to the display. The screen was not responsive. The osd was slow also. I saw a shadow near cursor with every overdrive settings for response time. Also, no firmware updates. This is TCL 27r83u

[@CookieMonster-we1in]

Thanks for this. Also can you guys give the input lag on the new update when the new update comes. Sometimes companies fix one thing and ruin another. Input lag for the msi271qrx

[@mistacrust]

Will the inproved input lag positively impact games that lock your frame-rate at 60fps? I'm thinking about Fighting Games like Tekken 8 for example - where your refresh rate in Windows is still 360hz (271QRX) but the game is capped at 60fps to maintain and preserve frame data in a competitive environment. Thanks and yet another great video.

[@tftcentral]

The even lower 360Hz lag would apply in that situation anyway, so you're all good. If you set windows refresh rate to 60Hz to align with the game, then the new 60Hz lag number would apply

[@yoked391]

no

[@zznabil8109]

Just stay at 360Hz while playing your game at 60fps. And no the input lag improvement is not that massive, it just might help in clutch situations. Human lag is still the biggest lag that you could improve more than your OLED monitor ever could.

[@Moto_Mikey]

Currently have the 34CQPX and absolutely love it. First OLED monitor that I am using for both gaming and (silly enough) productivity. Such an absolute purchase.

[@chrischand5082]

Can u do test on the 321 UPX with firmware 0.19, would like to know if that has better 60hz latency, the patch notes say it's improved but be good if u can test

[@bagerklestyne]

Picked up my MPG321URX 2 weeks ago. Came to you guys to grab your optimised settings - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZqppqSgjdaKrtk 2 things of note 1 - MSI need to implement a toggle in the gaming intelligence settings so it doesn't autoload with windows (after you're set up the need to change things is greatly reduced) 2 - if the panel protect pop up irks you like it did me (I died during a ranked game) change the panel protect from auto to 16hrs. This will avoid the pop but, when you shut your pc down once it's been asleep for 10 minutes if the monitor needed to do panel care (ie, it's been on for more than 4 hours since last care regardless of the auto/16hr setting) it will turn it self on, do the care sweep, then go back to sleep. This is ideal as it's non intrusive unless you game for 16hrs in a hit in which case there is something else you need to worry about.

[@aLeb7-]

How can I update the firmware on the Mag 271qpx?

[@w1cked_91]

What about the 271QPX model?

[@tftcentral]

Not one we’ve tested I’m afraid

[@Lunacy_Phoenix]

Great video, however I feel you missed an important metric in the input latency test for the MSI MAG 271QPX and 32 inch version. Specifically the input latency at 120Hz (Specifically over HDMi) This is important as we would like to know the difference between 240Hz PC and Console 120Hz input latency (as MANY there many games that do run at 120FPS on Xbox S/X and PlayStation 5)

[@tftcentral]

At the moment we don’t have a reliable way to measure lag at 120Hz I’m afraid which is why it was omitted

[@TheNiceColor]

Would you be able to ask MSI for updates on firmware for MAG 271QPX ? I and many others bought it BECAUSE we were promised that it will have firmware updates too, but so far there wasnt any since june, and even that one was very minor and didnt fix a lot of things! for example: we dont even have something as simple as ability to turn off power LED, let alone get meaningfull firmware improvements to how screen works itself (lag, hdr calibration etc) Thanks!

[@aLeb7-]

Do you know how to update the firmware of the MSI MAG 271QPX?

[@aLeb7-]

they released the new firmware today, but I don't know how to update it on the MSI MAG 271QPX

[@milangajdos1377]

hello, I want to ask if all the firmwares need to be installed one by one, or is the latest FW.011 enough?

[@tftcentral]

Latest one includes all previous updates too so just install that

[@willdtechthings2683]

Love some actual testing of brightness to see if anything has changed in sdr or hdr on 32 model

[@tftcentral]

they've not made any changes to that yet, but are working on HDR Peak 1000 mode EOTF and brightness

[@pokute1]

qpx version still lagging behind?

[@terryrocksx_]

i just bought the MSI MPG 271QRX yesterday do i have to update the software now or its already installled ?

[@tftcentral]

Check what’s listed in the bottom right hand corner of the menu and then update from there if it’s older. I suspect it will be on an old version and need an upgrade

[@gardenia1738]

Does it matter DP vs HDMI 2.1? For a GPU supporting both? I mean in terms of input lag and processing times as well as VRR performance. I have a 4090 and MSI 32 inch 4k 240hz OLED monitor

[@tftcentral]

no none at all,

[@Arkangel88Mr]

Recently got the 27in. For firmware update it says to connect via display port. I assume that using a USB C to DP adapter when connecting to my laptop should be fine ?

[@amerkiller1995]

Wish they fixed the coil whine somehow, returning my 341cqpx cause of it, not a rare issue looking online

[@bobbebusybuilding7413]

341cqp is silent

[@IDK-gh4st]

Hi, I'm considering getting a QD-Oled (Msi 321urx). My room is usually fairly dim (15-25 lux), would this result in noticeable black level raising or magenta?

[@floodo1]

THiS. I’m so trying to figure out if I want QD or W OLED

[@drakewilliams6069]

I have only owned the msi271qrx for one day so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have a window directly off to the side of the monitor and even during the day the Blacks are fine. Blacks will always appear better in a dim lighting environment but even during the day an OLED should have better blacks than a VA or IPS panel and have perfect viewing angles. QD OLED screens should only turn Magenta if you have light beaming directly onto the monitor. My understanding is that W OLED can get brighter but QD OLED have more vibrant colors. However even anything over 450 nits bright screen will cause you to squint from the brightness in a dim room so even QD OLEDs should be plenty bright enough! If you are planning to do a lot of reading, OLED monitors can have some color fringing. I find my IPS panel monitor easier to read text however I bought my OLED for gaming so this is not a problem for me. Hope this helps!

[@floodo1]

@@drakewilliams6069 ty

[@tftcentral]

I expect you’d be perfectly fine in those conditions

[@juanblanco7898]

How would one know how bright their environment is in lux?

[@ConstanceJill]

9 minutes to apply a 1 MB update? That's slower than writing to a floppy disk!

[@tftcentral]

haha, true but i guess writing to a scaler takes a while. i've seen longer on other screens too

[@tuunaes]

Maybe it uses some PLC Flash with analog 32 voltage levels...

[@tuunaes]

@@tftcentral Or that ridiculously sized bloatware package has too many do nothing loops in it to get anything done in reasonable time... I mean installation package of whole Windows XP operating system was of that size.

[@AndyMutz]

had the 011 firmware on my MPG 271QRX for a couple of days and had to downgrade to 010 again, because the 011 version was causing BSODs. after every pixel refresh cycle my graphics driver (RTX 4090, Windows 10) kept crashing repeatedly until a BSOD occured. no issues whatsoever with the 010 firmware.

[@tehnative9779]

My biggest issue with the 32 4k 240hz. I need to make sure to set DSC to off before I turn it off, because my PC for some reason when it restarts doesn't see it as active. And turning it off and on can cause issues when it's switching. Other then that, this monitor is the best one Ive ever used before and Im quite happy I purchased it. What's kinda crazy is the non firmware one was only like $50 cheaper when I was buying this in Canada, so it made the non firmware one look like such a bad deal considering all the updates MSI has already put into these things LOL

[@TheCalax]

Why can't we use HDMI for the Firmware Update?

[@tftcentral]

not sure tbh as i'd expect the signal to be sent over the USB connection, unless it causes crashes and video signal issues while it's updating or when it's finished. The MSI guidance says you need to use DP so for safety I'd stick with that

[@Battler624]

Quick question, is there a color temperature modifier in HDR mode? I honestly do not enjoy Warm2 preset (even tho its more accurate)

[@MakeSh00t]

i have samsung G6 oled 360hz, i asked samsung when they will upgrade firmware to decrease input lag and reduce response times on lowered refresh rate... no answer... What to do ?

[@tftcentral]

What situations are you using it for lower refresh rates?

[@juanblanco7898]

It should already have as low input lag as these, if RTings measurements are to be believed.

[@MenderSlen579]

am i just seeing things?or do i see a purple tint on the monitor?i thought purple only happens on blacks and dont affect the overall picture in lit rooms.

[@zznabil8109]

Purple tint affects all pixels on a QD OLED

[@tftcentral]

Keep in mind also the B roll was filmed under fairly bright directed studio lighting

[@111lead]

MAG 321UP no update sadly

[@controverso4149]

Very helpfull info, thanks.

[@pandemic4210]

Do you have any info when will they release 27in 2k 3rd gen qd-oled? Im a programmer and also a gamer but all the OLED monitor in the market are having text fringe problem. And all 3rd gen pixel is in 4k model, which I cant afford (I prefer 2k).

[@tftcentral]

The 27” 360Hz QD-OLED panel is third generation already and has the same pixel layout and shape as the 32” 4K panel. The only difference is the pixel density is higher on the 32” panel. Text clarity is improved because of that but until there’s 27” 4K it’s unlikely we’ll see further changes

[@pandemic4210]

@@tftcentral I've been considering the 271QRX monitor for over a month, but I'm worried that text fringing might be a problem for me when working. Would you recommend this model over other 27-inch 2K monitors for my lifestyle? Thankyou in advance!

[@tftcentral]

@pandemic4210 I think out of all the 27” OLED panel options, these gen 3 QD-OLED panels are the best for text clarity. You can improve further with a higher pixel density like the 32” 4K models. Have you considered those?

[@msoltyspl]

Why is the processing lag for fixed 60hz so high (and pretty much across all monitor brands) ?

[@tftcentral]

I'm not sure of the technical challenges, but a lot of the time the screens are just not optimised for non-native refresh rates, and it's given very little focus. you can see from these FW updates what is possible when manufacturer do spend time trying to improve things though, so it must be possible to improve - to a point. These high refresh rate screens aren't really designed for low refresh rate devices a lot of the time either

[@soserer842002]

Currently experiencing a issue with my 341CQP if anyone knows a solution or can guide me on what to do. The issue is with the KVM, when I connect both my mouse and keyboard into the USB ports in the display when the display goes to sleep I am not able to wake it back up, its like the USB ports also go into sleep. The USB upstream is also connected. Any suggestions would be appreciated

[@hassanpiracha1961]

Did you try tuning off the monitor and back on again?

[@soserer842002]

@@hassanpiracha1961 yeah that works but unfortunately it’s rather tedious to do since when my peripherals are connected to my pc I can just press anything and the screen wakes back up

[@hassanpiracha1961]

Please refer manual on page 16 and modify "Auto Scan" to OFF. 2.Please refer manual on page 19 and modify "Power Button" to Standby. This is the official fix. I have the same issue I will try it too

[@soserer842002]

@@hassanpiracha1961 I’ll try that thank you !

[@soserer842002]

@@hassanpiracha1961 hey, I tried this out and indeed it works as I was hoping now the mouse and keyboard wake up the screen from standby. Thank you so much

[@Dark_Moder_8K]

😇

[@CrisIsBored]

bro, i regret buying the asus model even more now 😒

[@drakewilliams6069]

Which Asus model do you have and why do you regret it? The MSI monitor is a budget monitor and has major black crush issues.

[@darrendavies1102]

​@drakewilliams6069 I would love to know this too, not bought yet. I can't decide

[@UnofficialSno]

They should update their osd, its layout is so bad

[@tftcentral]

I think it’s fine personally. Seen a lot worse!

[@drakewilliams6069]

Hello all! Proud first time OLED user here! I do not have a PC capable of updating the firmware on this monitor. Has the latest patch improved the black crush at all? The entire top row of boxes on lagom's test is completely crushed. I am very surprised there is no mention of Black Crush anywhere in RTINGs review. Very disappointed since the last update was back in May so I was hoping that it would at least come with the latest firmware since I just bought it yesterday from Bestbuy. Came with firmware 0.09 out of the box. How do I know which RGB range the HDMI from the monitor is outputting and how do I change it? Limited (16-235) or Full RGB (0-255) ? Since it's a monitor I am assuing it's 0-255 but I do not see any options in the monitor and my Xbox is set to "standard" RGB so I want to make sure they match. What setting should I use for HDR calibration in the Xbox HDR cailbration menu? RTINGS has this monitor rated for 1000 nits at 2% Peak and 467 nits at 10% Peak. Should I calibrate it for 1000 nits? I am trying to play Hogwarts Legacy and everything seems very dark! My 10+ year old Samsung VA monitor was much brighter! Why are the 50hz and 24hz video modes not available / supported with this monitor in the Xbox settings? Not a big deal but still curious. Where is the best place to get general help and info about this specific monitor? Is there a specific reddit thread , forum or discord available?

[@tftcentral]

which model do you have? You won't be able to update firmware without a PC or laptop i'm afraid to connect it to and install the software. The HDMI connection should auto-detect the input RGB range and set accordingly, but the default would almost certainly be full range 0 - 255. HDR mode brightness is an ongoing issue in the Peak 1000 mode, check out the article linked in the description for info and background. You may find the HDR 400 True Black mode brighter right now. just follow the steps in the Xbox calibration app for configuring brightness on the console, once you've selected whichever mode you want on the monitor.

[@drakewilliams6069]

@@tftcentral Apologies and thank you kindly for the response! I just recently purchased the MPG 271QRX. I will try HDR 400 True Black mode as you suggest. Can you say how many nits I should set in the Xbox HDR calibration menu with this monitor? If you press LB-RB-RT-LT buttons at the same time in the HDR calibration menu, you can see the exact values in Xbox. I have Peak Luminance set to 1000 nits and blacks set to 0. Can I leave it at 1000 nits or do those values need to be changed? Is there a reason why I cannot select 50hz and 24 hz video modes with this monitor? Isn't that weird?

[@tftcentral]

@drakewilliams6069 the visual guidance on the screen with the white boxes is more important than reported numbers, I would suggest following that. If you end up using the TB400 mode instead it will end up being around 450 nits peak

[@drakewilliams6069]

@@tftcentral Alright I did as you suggested and set the monitor to TB400 and HDR looks clear, vivid, vibrant and BEAUTIFUL now in HDR! In the Xbox HDR calibration menu, the image was still visible at 400 nits and disappeared at 450 nits so I left it at 450 nits max luminance. Thank you so much for your help good sir! I still have black crush according to lagom's black level test in SDR but will still need to test how much of an issue that is if at all. I also turned on the refresh rate OSD on the monitor but it only displays the refresh rate I am connected with on the Xbox and not the actual framerate of the game I am currently playing so seems kind of useless. I also turned off all of the OLED care settings in the monitor just in case they were interfering with the image. I just set the Xbox to auto dim after 2 minutes when idle.

[@tftcentral]

@drakewilliams6069 the frame rate counter would only change dynamically if you also have VRR enabled and active on the monitor and Xbox. It should work then. I’d suggest leaving some of the oled care features on to help with image retention mitigation. I don’t think you’d spot any adverse effects in gaming like that

[@Sammyt316]

What’s the Input lag for the mpg321URX at 120hz for console

[@tftcentral]

Sorry we don’t have a reliable way to measure that at this time but I’d expect it to be in between the native and 60Hz figure

[@Sammyt316]

Ah thanks for a reply. I just checked msi twitter and on their post on 17/08/24 it says their 60hz is now 14.5ms?? How come it’s so much higher than yours.could you check because I would buy it now if it’s that low

[@tftcentral]

That post is based on results from rtings.com, but their figures never seem to make sense. As far as I can tell, their lag figure includes half a frame but I no idea why. Very odd and it always causes confusion as their figures never align with anyone else as a result. The results from their review of the MPG321URX are actually 2.8ms at 240Hz, 5.1ms at 120Hz and 13.5ms at 60Hz and so at 60Hz that’s 8.33ms, plus the actual signal processing lag and delay of the monitor which would therefore be 5.17ms, which is very close then to our figure. At 240Hz that would be 2.08ms from the half of a single frame leaving 0.72ms of actual lag, again very close

[@misaroorasim]

My g

[@Decki777]

I think QD OLED 4k 240hz can do 1080p 480hz

[@Decki777]

If Samsung makes it work

[@nullvektor9922]

Their biggest mistake was not producing enough monitors seeing as the demand is pretty high. From a support perspective MSI really has been killing it lately.

[@hassanpiracha1961]

I have the MS321URX. Updated to the latest firmware FW11: Issues I have are: 1: turning off DSC- when trying to activate HDR. It doesn’t work. The problem is still there at least in my panel. Also, turning off DSC makes the colors really weird at 120hz refresh rate. When I switch the refresh rate to 60hz, they look better but still weird. 2. My panel still shows adaptive sync and not the free sync premium pro. Can anyone provide a fix or Solution to this?

[@tftcentral]

After the firmware update I would recommend doing a screen reset in the menu too. See if that helps with any of it?

[@hassanpiracha1961]

@@tftcentral didn’t help. Don’t know if it helped anyone else. Any way to roll back to previous driver and do the update again?

[@hassanpiracha1961]

@@tftcentral it worked. I had to download the INf driver file from 321urx driver page, then I had to go to device manager>monitors>update driver. Now it shows the certification.

[@hassanpiracha1961]

@@tftcentral DSC off HDR on is working but only on HDMI not on DP. Shouldn’t it work on both?

[@tftcentral]

It should work on both, yes. It worked fine for me on an RTX 3090

[@astreakaito5625]

An OLED gaming monitor with no strobing mode is a complete waste of money. People are idiot and gaming hardware reviewers don't know what they're talking about. What's the point of perfect response times when you see nothing but persistance blur anyway?!?!? Huge freaking scam.

[@tftcentral]

1) not everyone wants or likes strobing behaviour and the sacrifices that entails. 2) motion clarity can be excellent on high refresh rate OLED screens anyway, certainly adequate for many users. I like BFI on OLED and can see its value, but labelling every screen without it as “a waste of money” is daft

[@PoRRasturvaT]

The moment they release the update for the peak 1000 mode is when this monitor will be perfect.

[@Henry-if9pu]

Let’s go asus. Udcm let’s go

[@ZephyrCrypto]

Is there winner out of these two?.. AORUS FO32U2 or the MPG 321URX? Thanks

[@tftcentral]

What’s the price of both where you are?

[@ZephyrCrypto]

@@tftcentral Hey!! MSI £1200 - AORUS - £1280

[@ZephyrCrypto]

@@tftcentral OH the Aorus is the P version with DP 2.1 by the way