Imran Khan's Army Problem with Kashif Gilani

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This past few weeks in Pakistan have been a rollercoaster ride. We have seen the continued, brazen army interference in elections that for so long has earned the country the dubious title of possessing a ‘sham democracy’. The country’s elected leader, Imran Khan, is languishing in prison on what are trumped-up charges and hundreds of his party members have been chased, arrested and incarcerated by what can only be described as the deep state apparatus.
Election day was a sham. And it seems the army’s designated successors are about to take their positions. But, often, what is on the surface may conceal deeper facts. Today we have political analyst Kashif Gilani from Islamabad to discuss the situation.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:49 - Tactics against Imran Khan
05:40 - Internet service
07:46 - The establishment
11:04 - Preferences of establishment
20:02 - Imran Khan vs The Army
22:20 - Anti American
25:20 - What went wrong?
31:00 - IMF Programmes
33:57 - Donald Woo and Cipher
34:47 - Incompetent establishment
36:50 - Imran Khan China
39:40 - The Madinah Model?
42:00 - Army unity now?
48:35 - US and Pakistan
52:25 - China and Pakistan
56:55 - Economy of Pakistan
1:04:40 - Policy think tank?

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

We had a problem with our guests audio this week. Apologies for this, we wanted to however get this episode out.

[@awarenesstruth3921]

Facts on why Imran Khan was removed & they tried to kill him as follows:- ​ @JunaidSalehHayat Arguments as follows:- 1. Army is power holder as Mushrikeen in Makkah had power, so until Muslims became powerful it was not logical to come open in fight with them same with PTI. 2. IK take help of Army because people was suffering as hell and then Corona came where PK become top 5 nation who manage well even where nation had no money. 3. Bloomberg reported PK was going to have 6% growth which is unheard given circumstances. 4. IK started building DAMS for future of PK after "50 years" where its population is rising at 4% a year and also to provide cheap Hydroelectricity. 5. PMLN and PPP are dynastic party link to US and UK. 6. IK tried to create a new ISLAMIC block with Turkiye,Qatar,Iran,Indonesia,etc. to give voice to Ummah but MBS struck it down with blackmail. 7.As former DGISI Hamid Gul said all Army Chief is appointed with blessing of USA, when they saw IK might appoint a new Army Chief they couldn't tolerate IK. 8. IK views were clear on WEST domination and subjugation on Islamic nations. 9. He is only leader who united all sects of Islam as seen right now like with SHIA,SUNNI(Deobandi,Salafi,Barelvi),etc.. He is uniting force of all province. 10. He build 2 AI Institute and a University with collaboration of Beijing Univ. and Amsterdam Univ. 11. He was very/too vocal on Islamic issue. 12. He was a threat as a man who can't be bought and is on a mission is danger to PK and World establishment. 13. He tried to bring unified curriculum for all students. 14. IK has Space Ambitions for PK. 15. Remitances rose from $18bn to $31bn. 16. He initiated law which protected oversees pakistanis investment and brought them in system by giving them voting right. 17. He brought EVM for voting which made Paper Ballet easy as you have to press button and get party symbol you voted for printed on paper that is to be dropped in Ballot box... i.e. eliminating voter fraud. 18. IK raised voice for Muslims persecution in India, Israel. 19. IK tried to move away from US domination. 20. IK didn't give US military base. 21.IK tried to have independent Foreign Policy. 22. IK challenge west by calling openly that we are not ur slaves on EU member letter to IK to force him in Russia-UKrn war, he demanded equal respect as India. 23. He was working on food security, he started plantation of 30 million Olives trees and tried to bring Chinese agricultural tech which could even grew crops in barren land. 24. A muslim independent leader of a large country is threat to all who wants to control Muslims. 25. Etc.

[@4444aliraza]

Thank you for clarifying. The editing also appears abrupt between certain chapters.

[@raaid85]

i wpukd have preferred u challenge the guest on his positions on imran khan. he has no idea what he is talking about

[@publicpm8809]

I love your work but this guest either doesnt know or dishonest, im saying this as im from Pakistan, Also nobody ever said Imran Khan is perfect but this guest's views are absolutely wrong about him.

[@raaid85]

imran khan woukd be neoliberal if his policies werent redistributive which ot fully was. bernie sanders is accused of being a communist for free health care which imran khan was implementing. the guest honestly suggested that hamid gul dictated or suggested to imran khan his entire foreign policy. like what world os this guy living in.what do u even think is the main reason imran and army r not coming to terms

[@aichamuhammad5904]

First of All..the title , it's not Imran Khan's army problem, it's Pakistan's Army problem

[@greybeard9396]

@aichamuhammad5904; Yay! Very well said!

[@brainflesh]

خدا آپ کی انگریزی بہتر کرے۔

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@brazensmusings2738]

@@HamzaKhan-ue7ii I do agree with some of your points especially the democracy one but its not that its a problem but its us who do not know nor want to make it work as its supposed to work. We can go on and on about how its bad while we do not follow nor comprehend the basic tenants of being inside a democracy - participation in policy making, making your representatives accountable, participating in judicial reviews of existing laws etc. Essentially we are a shameless society who does not want to work to improve rather we want the government to work for us without input. Islamic system is not going to work for us, we do not have the mindset to work with our system let alone a system which is built upon participation and being ingrained in each other's lives, actively intervening to stop evil. We are not those people. As for Imran Khan's narrative. Frankly there is no such thing that Imran Khan or anybody else have options. You want to be in power, you have to have Army. So its not something he chose, he had to do it. Period. You have written so much but your blind hatred for the political system which we enabled to be made, is so profound that you cannot decipher this truth. What Imran Khan is touting is to try to change the system once you do get through. And I don't see any problem with that. Its a safer way with the least amount of bloodshed. Pakistanis do not have the mindset to actually destroy their current live standards for a better future for the next generation.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

@@brazensmusings2738 Democracy has never and will never work it is a foreign alien concept which does not comply with our Deen or culture. The Islamic system (cilaphat) is the best. And has never been tried in Pakistan. So why not finally accept Islam as a whole including its political system? Also, the law is what will stop evil, not vigilantes who are above the law as you are making it out. Islam initially came through a revolution brought by the Prophet PBUH. Now I think that is the only way to bring Islam into Pakistan. We don't want Islamabad we want Islam. The fact that Imran khan wanted to come into power and used the army to get there shows how insincere he was. In Islam, anyone who wants to become the leader is automatically made illegitimate for selection. The first step to bringing change is acknowledgement. And I acknowledge how wrong we were to bring this type of political system and these politicians. It's time for a change. An actual change not like the one IK wanted to bring. Like I said I see all the politicians as criminals of the same crime, including Imran khan. I will say on judgment day that I had no sympathy or hope when it came to these politicians and I had nothing to do with them. My leaders are the Rashidun Khalifs. And anyone who follows their way.

[@user-kb3vl1jz1z]

Your guest can't articulate his thoughts and also his facts are far from solid

[@adilbari2548]

👍

[@ahsana.t.6264]

Love your podcasts, but after following the events of Pakistan 🇵🇰 over past few years and analysing them very closely, I feel your guest was slightly deceitful especially when talking about Imran Khan. Two points. 1. When you asked in the beginning of the podcast why a symbol is important, the answer isn't "well, thats just the process" as the guest said. The answer is because 60% of the population in Pakistan is illiterate and having a symbol allows this sizeble section of the population to (rightly) participate in the elections. Taking away a symbol effectively means removing a Party from the ballot. 2. Imran Khan is popular because of his principled position towards justice and asking everyone regardless of their position to be subject to the law. Can I recommend you reach out to Wajahat S Khan who is based in New York for a podcast on the events in Pakistan? His analysis is on point.

[@mariokart6118]

He’s seems to be more of a celebrity journalist rather than a serious guest for this show.

[@ahsana.t.6264]

@mariokart6118 perhaps, but he'll still do a better job than this guest

[@omermirza5994]

Either Wajahat or Dr. Moeed Pirzada. Or if you want someone from the party to put forward their version, Dr. Shahbaz Gill or Shandana Gulzar.

[@mariokart6118]

@@ahsana.t.6264yes I agree he’d be much more accurate than this fellow.

[@saadjamil8575]

Wajahat Khan as an unbiased analyst ?!?! 😂

[@insanity291able]

I was looking forward to this interview but it is a disappointing. Mr. Gilani would have you believe that Imran Khan is insincere. Criticisms regarding the incompetence of Imran Khan's government are valid but accusing Imran Khan of being insincere with the people of Pakistan is disingenuous and false. Imran Khan is the only person who has fought for the common Pakistani and has been doing it for decades. He did more for Islam on a global level than any other politician before him.

[@JunaidSalehHayat]

How more does he have to be insincere enough for you to see his sincerity than passing the modern Qawm-e-Luut Act during his tenure??

[@Azukos]

​@@JunaidSalehHayat what the heck are you talking about

[@akramkayani]

@@JunaidSalehHayat please check what was actually passed as law. The law did not have any clause or validation of homosexuality. Yes there were maybe a few loop holes around who is a man and who is a women which people alleged could be used as a cover of someone is caught. Those clauses were thrown out. So please correct me if what I have stated above is incorrect, else please look into details and not just follow political retoric which is based on lies

[@zccau2316]

This guy is a utopianist who believes you can just leave the US world order and everything will be perfect lol. Things don't happen overnight

[@gabrielhanny3149]

What exactly did he do for the Islamic community?

[@AmanQuraishi1]

I don’t agree with theguest from 20 min onwards on his version/perception of IK .. it’s not accurate and in fact disingenuous to paint IK as your typical Pakistani politician looking for his own interest, launched by the ISI, wanting to become a PM .. there isn’t any one like him in our political system. If someone is solely after the top spot in the country then he doesn’t struggle for over 20 years and now currently spending time in jail .. the guest has lost me there and at various other places where he tried to critique IK.. didn’t make much sense to me.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

IK tried to use street mob power to overthrow the previous Sharif led govt. IK sided with the army and came to power through rigged elections. Now he has fallen out with the military and they have allied with Sharif again. Its like a merrygo round. Stop idolising IK. He is an opportunist.

[@salty4096]

youthiya spotted

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can beg the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Dont compalin about the armies roll in poletics when the poloticians are the ones who beg them to put them in the PM seat. People need to know that if a polotician uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the poloticians are thirsty to sit in power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: i see all the poloticians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@09DOD]

Sami Hamdi has a better insight than your guest today on Pàkistani politics. Also if you can get barrister Shahzad Akbar, advisor to former PM Khan, who also resides now in England, would be a better choice for todays topic.

[@nawazishkhan2080]

100% correct this gilani is incompetent to handle such vast deep issue or he's mole of Pakistan military establishment ISI

[@TruthSeeker-pp9ig]

It will be the worst choice because we don't want youthias to spoil bright minds.

[@nawazishkhan2080]

@@TruthSeeker-pp9ig patwari spotted showing his imbecile mind

[@mohammadjatoi8662]

Sami Hamdi is a brainwashed Agent!

[@salty4096]

Sami Hamdi is extremely ignorant when it comes to Pak politics. His fanboying of a zaani peerni following superstitious leader is concerning.

[@akramkayani]

Also after min 26 the entire narrative being built that IK feel out with the military due to his economic agenda is again highly disingenuous. Yes IK made mistakes on the economy but it is no open secret that it was the military that prevented him from fixing it by solving the biggest issue which is a very narrow tax net in Pakistan, where the wealthy business, industrial and real estate mafia pays no taxes. Secondly the military was already 2 timing on IK as early as 2019 when Bajwa wanted an extension. They had as early as then offered the government back to PMLN as they were concerned on IKs stance on American, his stance on Palestine and Kashmir which the Arabs were not very keen on also. Then when Bajwa wanted his new head of the military managed premier intelligence organization. The last straw was the war in Ukraine when the US lost it and the traditional politicians and military were eager to use this green light from the US to take down a democratic government.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@mulberrydesign2420]

The speaker's arguments are not always consistant.

[@larrydickman5936]

Pakistans ruling elite/Generals are this ummahs misfortune and curse, not Israel

[@ibadurrehman1210]

you underestimate how Satanic Israel is, then

[@Jery7773]

Pakistan and Egypt!

[@CraigTheBrute-yf7no]

Who do you think are their puppet masters? They didn’t get their power alone.

[@marziaball5089]

Your right pak elite/ general are misfortune for Pakistan Isra*is hell is the curse for the WORLD 🌍 your comparing mosquitoes 🦟 with monsters 👹

[@ehsankhan8956]

That's true their masters are definitely American but these sneaky bastards actually themselves send messages and lobby for themselves and present themselves as a good potential puppet​@@CraigTheBrute-yf7no

[@AliM-vi4yk]

Superficial and incoherent, I searched for the esteemed guest on Internet but couldn't find the political analyst Kashif Gilani. Maybe I find him if I search really hard. Is that a valid choice for discussing burning issues in Pakistan? General Hameed Gul promoted Imran Khan but Imran Khan did not gain much popularity in Hameed Gul's life. Then a faction of establishment promoted him and he became the prime minister. Then they dispelled him and he became even more popular, it doesn't add up, isn't it. The economy was in shambles in Imran Khans government, and growth rate in the last two years was only 6%, so they removed him and a very successful rate of 1% was achieved, how amazing. Just to remind the esteemed guest, it was Imran Khan who floated the idea that IMF must relax it's conditions during Covid years. The relaxation was available to all IMF beneficiaries but only Pakistan achieve this phenomenal economic growth, how strange. IT'S A STRUGGLE OF THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN AGAINST THE VICE LIKE ELITE CAPTURE. PEOPLE ARE CARRYING OUT THIS POLITICAL STRUGGLE WHERE IMRAN KHAN IS THE SYMBOL AND THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR.

[@akramkayani]

Around min 50, the British never created the Non Aligned movement. The British and US prefered Pakistan over India because Congress which ruled india was socialist and closer to Russia. The english were against forming Pakistan until field martial Montgomery actualy gave the opinion that a united India would be socialist due to congress and if next to Afghanistan then we will be placing India & Russia right next to each other. So we should let Jinnah have Pakistan so we can keep Russia and India at a distance.

[@olegnurmagomedov750]

Believe me when I say this that Imran Khan is the only global Ummatic leader we Muslims have right now. No other Muslim leader comes even close to his struggle in the way of Allah.

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

😂

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

His party was fighting in Sharia court for Law for lgbt.

[@olegnurmagomedov750]

@@UMAIRRAJA90 Do not slander. I am talking about Imran Khan, not what any rogue elements from his party might have done.

[@omermirza5994]

@@UMAIRRAJA90 why are you lying? It was not a bill for LGBT. The rights of "Khawaja saras" or transvestite are an issue in Pakistan. They're forced into prostitution and other immoral professions. The bill was deficient though and through the Jamate Islami's efforts it was rectified.

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

@@omermirza5994 you call me lying because PTI don’t like facts. Do you know anything what happened in sharia court and what PTI was doing?

[@MrImranghaznavi]

Maybe because I have been following this Imran Khan debacle in Pakistan that I can tell Kashif Gilani is trying hard not to get in trouble himself. I hope you will get another presenter for this issue who is more articulate. I'd recommend Imran Khan's former Chief of staff Dr. Shabaz Gill who was abducted and tortured by the Military establishment to turn against Imran Kahn.

[@ScreetTube]

hazrat muhammad kutti ka bacha

[@maverickkhan2718]

For godness sake, that man lacks basic manners and its people like him who caused imran khan the problems

[@MrImranghaznavi]

@@maverickkhan2718 compared to who?

[@maverickkhan2718]

@@MrImranghaznavi i see where you are coming from but i am not going to fall in a trap. Wrong is always wrong and there is no point in making any comparisons.

[@salty4096]

Really Shahbaz Gill? Give me a break

[@maminurrahman4364]

First disappointing interivew on this very beloved podcast. Brother Jalal, there are many pakistanis who can speak much better than this brother why did you chose him. He was not prepared at all. I just started and have no stamina to continue. If he implied IK is not sincere, as i read in a comment then shame on him. I wonder if you hand picked him for that reason ??

[@salty4096]

Glad Jalal brought this brother and not a typical youthiya who can’t see anything wrong with Imran Khan.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

​@@salty4096 True brother. PTI supporters think IK is a messiah who came into Pakistan from the heavens resting on the wings of 2 angles. But in reality IK was a useless person. Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@Nuamsi]

​@@HamzaKhan-ue7ii: PTI supporter does not think of Imran Khan as a Messiah, but a True Leader, Who reminded us of Allah & His Prophet teaching, While Patwari and Jiyalas cannot look pass Dynastic Political Figure, Who stole from People Money, Honor and Civility amongst each other. By the Way, Call PTI Supporters Youth a is a Lowest Form of Political Name Calling from Opposition which shows the level of training and Guidance that Your bankrupt leaders have been given to You and Your Party Supporter.

[@pointyrockets]

Salam Alaykum Jumping in to say that the guest was either ill-informed or straight up deceitful at several points throughout the interview, as many people familiar with the topic have already pointed out in the comments. There is no way Imran Khan would've garnered as much respect and reverence from the majority of the people of Pakistan and Ummah-conscious muslims all around the world had the guest's analysis about him been accurate. That's it. I would go into detail if I had more time right now but it's sufficient because others have done a decent job to address many of his points and will continue doing so bi'idhnillah. Love and appreciate your work. Keep it up and may Allah guide us all to the truth, ameen.

[@Moses_VII]

Thinking Muslim is a corrupt channel of Muslim Brotherhood who destroyed Syria

[@salty4096]

IK garnered respect because of his ability to speak with eloquence and his Goebbels style social media campaign making a fool out of people like you.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@akramkayani]

By min 38 does he almost say that the military was only removing IK to bring him back later? Come on.....this is nuts. Secondly the Health card model was a first in many steps for the over all journey in IKs health care model. Yes it was insurance based, but who was paying the insurance and too whom? The insurance was being paid by the state not individuals and secondly there was only one provider for insurance coverage and that was State Life a state owned insurance company. So in effect the government gave some money to one of its own businesses and said invest this money, earn from it and in return provide my citizens a 1 million rupee medical cover. That's hell of a lot different than the pure western insurance model.

[@Nuamsi]

You are Correct, Imran Khan & PTI Govt introduce a Universal Health Care System, along the Lines with Scandinavian Countries that He Spoke about in Jalsa's and Gathering.

[@noxiousred8830]

What a waste of space and an opportunity to present the factual events in Pakistan especially since past 2 years when PM IK was ousted and most importantly pre and post election rigging by the Pak Military COAS and intelligence agency ISI. I wish there was someone like Moeed Pirzada would could enlighten the audience and add value to The Thinking Muslims channel.

[@salty4096]

Moeed Pirzada who tried to defraud his own dad on his deathbed?

[@akramkayani]

On the economic level in won't say the issue is entirely the IMF model. The issue is actually Pakistan never implementing any IMF program, the biggest issue is that IMF asks us to increase the states revenue by increasing the tax net. But when we don't do that because the Mafia's don't like it and this includes the military, almost the entire business community, the larger landowners and industrialists the only option is left to reduce subsidies which only hurts the middle class and those below them.

[@akramkayani]

However I totally agree with the fact we need to break the mold of being a consumer economy especially based on import based consumption. We need to focus on production and only once we are a production based economy move towards consumerism to ensure we consume what we produce and keep the door rotating in the domestic scope and not make it a door that only results on wealth leaving

[@Azukos]

What did he do for Muslims? Well, first, he has raised his voice as much as he can for Kashmir and Palestine, on national and international platforms, he also took a stand against growing Islamophobia and Muslims in the West. By the way, at the time he also defended Chechnya, still it was decades ago. Obviously, he refused US intervention on Pakistani soil and did his best to get them to leave Afghan soil (despite the reluctance of certain powers in Pakistan). He tried to educate his population as best he could about national and international politics and to encourage everyone to get involved in politics for the rights and the freedom of the Muslim community everywhere in the world. He lobbied and put a lot of effort into obtaining a special day for the fight against Islamophobia (March 15, the day many brothers and sisters were martyred in New Zealand, may Allah bless them all) - this at the same time puts a big brake on the propaganda of far-right groups declaring that Islamophobia does not exist in anyway. He opened a university, taking the lead in education even before he was prime minister, then a second university, trying to encourage young people as much as possible to study the life of the Prophet, Peace be upon him, what we call Sirat-un-Nabi. He showed that Islam was not only an inner but also an outer work, demonstrating the connection of faith to social service, service for the most deprived (universities and hospitals accessible free of charge for the poor). He brought the OIC together twice to try to get them to take a more radical position on Kashmir and Palestine, and also on Islamophobia, especially in the West. I do not forget his speech at the UN which set the record straight regarding the involvement of Muslims in terrorism, blasphemy, and the image of our Prophet, Peace be upon him, for Western populations who are quite ignorant on this subject. There are also a lot of things he did that went under the radar, unfortunately. For example, he read and promoted many books on Islamic sciences, he tried to bring together Muslim scholars from all walks of life so that they could bring their ideas to the table and showcase them in the eyes of youth, he converted some people like our sister Kristiane Backer which is truly a gem, Masha'Allah. Certainly, he is not the classic Muslim Salafi or Deobandi, he is closer to a Sufi modernist in some respects, but this does not allow one to question one's faith. Surely, Imran Khan is not perfect, but he has brought a lot to our community, we obviously thank our Almighty Allah before thanking him, because everything comes from Allah. May Allah guide us all to the truth! Ameen. ✨

[@jj-yi1ne]

salafis and deobandis are like shias. no chain back to the prophet

[@omermirza5994]

Beautiful post brother. Barik Allah feek. There's no denying Imran Khan's eeman is strong and in the right place.

[@Azukos]

@@omermirza5994 BarakAllah-u fik. I agree! May Allah bless you. Everything good that I have said comes from Him, indeed!

[@UthmanAli]

So he done alot of talking basically?

[@Azukos]

@@UthmanAli I don't know since when our Ummah started being so pessimistic and underestimating the power of the tongue. Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart, [...]." The last level remains a level of faith, but today we deny even those at the middle level. May Allah guide us, and allow us to see the positive and His blessings, wherever they are. Ameen. Assalam-o-Aleykum.

[@akramkayani]

Ok....I change my perception of the guest. Firstly by minute 26 in the pod cast he has stated that Imran was anti west only on narrative but when it came to brokering a deal between Taliban and the US or supporting the US withdrawal from Afghanistan he worked with the west, which shows it was only a narrative and actual actions on the ground by IK were against the narrative. This is the most ingenious representation there can be of the facts. Imran from day 1 was against the war on terror, US being in Afghanistan the way it was and on its actions in Pakistan during that period. Now when the US finally realized that and wanted to leave how is making the transition/exit less bloody for both Afghans, Pakistan and Americans make IK a supporter of the west?

[@TruthSeeker-pp9ig]

Keep crying.

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

IK was biggest supporter of Musharaf who actually started war on terror. PTI supporters used to call me names for calling out against army actions in KPK and FATA in 2004.

[@minhalpervez2817]

Umaira you talk without any info of past , he was the one who led a rally in kpk borders to oppose attack on Afghanistan by west using our soil and land Keep your differences aside , and read the news regularly pleade

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

@@minhalpervez2817 for your kind information jamat e islami was the only party against war in Afghanistan. When the first drone strike happened in bajaur JI leader led the namaz e jinaza of dozens of children. The munawar hasan took strong stance and everyone knows what then army touts PTI bashed Munawar hasan and call him terrorists. I lived through that in Pakistan. Maybe your history started in 2018 my one didn’t.

[@UMAIRRAJA90]

@@minhalpervez2817 Imran Khan -Supported General Musharraf in 1999 -Voted for Maulana Fazl ur Rahman for PM in 2002 -Met Nawaz Sharif in London to form APDM against MQM (killers) & PML-Q (daakus) in 2007 -Formed govt with MQM & PML-Q in 2018

[@Mohammadali-cs8gi]

Imran Khan has been consistent in wanting better relations with other nations including the US, the establishment and majority of the bureaucracy including landowners have a slave colonialists mindset, imran khans party was denied its actual mandate in 2018 and ended up with a coalition in government, today with all the obstacles put in place his party members had won enough seats to form a government with a majority but the establishment along with the sharifs and zardaris carried out pre- poll rigging and where election results are usually available 5 hours after closing of voting booths , in this current election of 2024 the ECP and establishment were taken aback with the voter turnout in favour of Imran Khan, and so election results were held back for different constituencies by 15 to 40 hours, this was to allow further rigging. the slaves currently ruling pakistan have a corrupt and closed mindset, their kowtowing to the US and the west in general has landed pakistan in its current situation.

[@4444aliraza]

Certainly an important topical geopolitical topic, but I don't feel the guest was the calibre required for your podcast. The information presented was superficial, anecdotal and was not conveyed clearly enough. Please do reach out to other involved parties to build on this topic.

[@mappilakty]

This exactly

[@mygoogleno1but188]

Obvious to any individual who's versed with the current situation of Pakistan that, the host is more up-to-date, more focused and hold more relevant conclusions on the underlying facts and issues than the honorable speaker. We seek divine mercy, proper guidance and forgiveness for not just muslims but all of the ummaa (all creation), upon whom the Prophet of Mercy to all (Rahmatul lil Aalameen) has descended upon.

[@bashinwari]

2 reasons why the army ended PM Khan's government. 1- PM khan's move towards Russia and China 2- Recognition of Israel, which PM khan's opposed. America used its stooges in the top military like bajwa and his stooges to bring PM khan down. It's an absolute shame as to what is happening in Pakistan,. I am sure not even the Pharaoh did what the army is doing to the masses right now, in particular PM Khan, his followers and journalists like Imran Riaz khan. The once beloved army is now the most hated, probably as much as the army that has been savaging Kashmir for the last 75 years and the army that is savaging Palestine.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@nishatkhan3615]

THIS ARMY WAS THE REASON WE LOST EAST PAKISTAN WHEN THINGS GOT OUT OF CONTROL THEY SURRENDERED A THIRD-GRADE ARMY BUT FIRST-GRADE WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPRESSING CIVILIANS WHO ARE UNARMED TIME TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THEM

[@warfaali]

I think so called eastern Pakistan are happy to independent they are even doing much better then Pakistan

[@taheera986]

First of all, calm down. No need to shout. Second of all, East Pakistan has a name. Bangladesh was never going to continue to be economically exploited by Pakistan. That was genocide too

[@akramkayani]

@@taheera986 I think what the original commentator meant was that the issue that led people from East Pakistan to form Bangladesh was created by the military by staying in power due to their military might, rigging the election of Fatima Jinnah who was a binding force and then later in 1970 not giving the government to the majority. Had these actions not happened it's highly possible Pakistan & Bangladesh would have been one still.

[@nishatkhan3615]

LUCKY AT THAT TIME IT WAS EAST PAKISTAN AND IF INDIA HAD TO NOT SEND TROOPS YOUR FATE WOULD BE STILL EAST PAKISTAN NOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS GOING ON IN PAKISTAN TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL

[@nishatkhan3615]

BENGALI ARE NOT LIKE FIGHTER FROM GHAZA

[@akramkayani]

I think the guest today was a little less prepared or maybe not used to such pod casts, was nervous? For example quite at the start where he was asked why the election symbol is so critical his response was it's just a procedural thing, which was wrong. No it's not. The symbol is very important because a vast number of the voters are illiterate and can't read. However they can associate with their candidate of choices symbol and vote based on that. They can't read and just choose based on names. Similarly people mostly just focus on the party they want to vote for and might not know who the local candidate is as they mostly don't engage in constituency politics at that level. So if you take away the symbol it's an exceptional handicap for the party as they need to promote each candidate at the local level and can't do that in an organized way through a national level campaign as each candidate as an independent will have a different symbol in each of the 200 plus national assembly constituencies. Similarly people were voting for a national assembly candidate and provincial assembly candidate. Without a party symbol you had to remember the symbol of 2 candidates and guess what, they were different on each ballot. You can easily make the mistake of voting for the write symbol but on the wrong ballot and thus end up voting for the guy you never intended to vote for. Like I was supposed to vote for the guy with the lantern symbol on the national ballot and chair on the provincial ballot. But guess what someone else also has the chair on the national ballot and lantern on the provincial ballot. So if I mixed up which symbol for which ballot...woops voted for a different independent candidate than what I intended.

[@Azukos]

Indeed, especially in a country where the literacy rate is so low. This is a major scam they have carried out to reduce the voice of the people. Should I watch the podcast in your opinion, or is it not worth it? I really like the analyzes of Dr Pirzada, Imran Riaz Khan, Sabir Shakir, Arshad Sharif (may Allah bless him), and Sami Hamdi or Khaled Beydoun (which are outside). I have never heard of this Mr. Gilani and I hesitate to embark on an hour of podcasting without knowing anything about him (I can't find anything on Google about him either).

[@sammalik128]

Some good points, but I don’t agree with lumping Imran Khan together with other provenly corrupt politicians as merely serving the military establishment’s policies. The way Imran Khan has opened the eyes of the people is unprecedented in his country, and that is why they are all fighting for genuine freedom from the military establishment.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

IK colluded with the army to win the previous rigged elections. Now the army turned on him. IK is an opportunist.

[@SKhan-wp1uw]

The symbol is necessary for those who cant read, there are alot of illiterate people in Pakistan. They younger generations are mote educated but the elders not so much.

[@akramkayani]

Why can't you use the best of other systems? Whats unislamic about having a social support system like scandinavia, the idea of open debate and transparency like the british Parliament system and the focus on targets like china does? IK never said he wants secular laws similar to UK.

[@rubinatajammulyusuf290]

It seems like this guy was sent by army. As an overseas Pakistani we are not idiots and can see his perspective, don’t make things confusing for Muslim ummah. He shouldn’t be guest here, I don’t even know this guy.

[@publicpm8809]

Exactly, nobody even knows who he is and he is actually talking a lot of rubbish honestly

[@haadiaamir6602]

Pakistan se bahar baith ker Pakistan k barey mein kuch bolnay ki zaroorat nahi hai. First come to Pakistan and face everything.

[@mhas9110]

These analysis of Imran Khan are quite shallow. Why not analyze what he achieved-or did not achieve in the approximately 4 years of his tenure. Why not ask the Ulema (not just of one particular sect) of Pakistan what they thought of his policies. Imran Khan had the same impact on Pakistan as Erdogan has had on Gaza - none.

[@raeesmustafa8763]

Beautifully put

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@publicpm8809]

Dont take me wrong, i love your work but this guest either doesnt know or dishonest, im saying this as im from Pakistan, Also nobody ever said Imran Khan is perfect but this guest's views are absolutely wrong about him.

[@minhalpervez2817]

Mr Gilani : Imran khan is a brave leader of Pakistan. Sorry to say but the work molvis should have done , he did : Everyone is United under his umbrella while the subservient religious parties still can’t raise a voice against injustice within their own country

[@Pkfirst786]

Brother Jalal I am surprised that you chose to talk to this gentleman who seems to be impartial religious voice and it seems he has weak knowledge of both and a very convoluted view of the process. I am both surprised and disappointed

[@raaid85]

imran khan is not lobbying US government at all, a politician having a dialogue with enemies shouldnt be called "lobbying". imran khan qas against afghanistan war and he stayed consistent with that

[@khaliddurrani6432]

Imran sincerely believed that Pakistan would be better off being nonaligned in the bipolar world having relations with both China / Russia and USA. Whereas the army commanders had a strong leaning towards US Estab, benefitting from aids & arsenal. Besides he tried the unpardonable mistake of distancing his governance from the control of army Estab.

[@rolex6170]

ive been studying this country for the past few days and I, disagree with the speaker.

[@LeahLewis-ny9iu]

Have you observed the movement in Nvidia's stock this year?

[@EricaWaters-lr6zw]

Indeed, it's been remarkable. I've heard Katherine C Boone foresaw this at the outset of the year.

[@TerriMelzer]

Is that so? What insights led Katherine C Boone to make such a prediction?@@EricaWaters-lr6zw

[@VictoriaAllen-ml8kx]

Katherine C Boone possesses a profound comprehension of market dynamics and technological trends. Her foresight is quite remarkable.@@TerriMelzer

[@NatashaRyan-jl9kt]

@@VictoriaAllen-ml8kxImpressive. I should certainly consider consulting Katherine C Boone's predictions before making any investment moves.

[@omermirza5994]

"Imran Khan was exceptionally unpopular 1.5 years ago" Complete lie. The night he was removed, the whole nation came out on the streets organically to support him. It was a historic sight. A first for Pakistan. We're used to celebrating ousting corrupt leaders, but this time the leader was neither corrupt nor unpopular. Brother Jalal, your choice for the guest was extremely disappointing. Even Sami Hamdi is more educated on the topic, maybe ask him to come on.

[@salty4096]

Sami Hamdi is an ignoramus on Pak politics. And yes IK was losing popularity. However his “foreign conspiracy” lie sold very well and restored sympathy for him.

[@syedshahbaazuddin]

Change is gradual and not sudden . Turkiye erdogan has gradually changed secular society to a partial islamic society. I see the same in Khan . Establishment needs to give its repeatitive failed approach a break . India is not just because of USA where it is , but because of absence of a deep state like in case of pak.

[@DonotDivided]

Alhamdulilah, Atleast Pakistanis are entertaining positive changes because of their love for Islam. May Allah guide their effort and make them a leaders for the Muslims.

[@mygoogleno1but188]

Dear Kashif Jilani Book knowledge and practical knowledge can be distinguished as the distance between the earth and sky.

[@saranabz4978]

So enjoy ur podcasts... kwep up the good work brother..but have to agree with the masses... it was a shallow POV and not a great analysis..and if i must say so ...not very eloquent!

[@mappilakty]

I love this podcast and have watched almost every episode in here , some of them multiple times. It’s not a hard choice to say that this was one of the most out of touch conversation I’ve heard on this podcast. The way the actions of the military to replace popularly elected representatives at their whim is nonchalantly conveyed by the analyst as a natural occurrence. The whole conversation just skirts around the elephant in the room being the military itself.

[@BOILEGG]

I think the guest didn't have comprehensive knowledge of the situation in Pakistan. He couldn't clearly convey his point. He didn't give credit to IK for any good that he has done. In my opinion, a bit biased analysis.

[@sajalsalahuddin5861]

It's Army's Imran Khan Problem... Pakistan people are being misrepresented since the election in which the public is 80%-90% with Imran Khan.

[@talhaahsanlondon]

You didn't introduce your guest properly to know his background. You could have provided links to his profile in the description. I couldn't find any. It helps to filter for any biases notwithstanding your guests will largely share our overall world view to live a life as God's want for us. I would have also liked to have heard about the seemingly most un-Ummatic decision to expel Afghans from Pakistan. Keep up the good work otherwise, Jalal bhai!

[@sikanderamin6096]

I've lived in Pakistan for 31 years and this is the first time I'm seeing his face. Who is this guy? I'm not watching this show because of this unknown fella. Please bring back Sami Hamdi. Sami should come on this show every month to educate us about the political state of the entire ummah. The title of this video is very interesting, the army is Pakistan's biggest problem.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@sufnaan1221]

Very disappointed by your guest Mr Gillani, he has completely failed to understand Imran Khan narrative, Imran khan is a statesman and leader , establishment needs him to get popular support from nation for themself , Imran khan wants good relations with everyone not only USA but Russia and China, your guest is misleading and untrustworthy in his basic analysis, please don’t bring these kids of confused and manipulated people to your channel, we highly respect your channel and shows these kinds of insincere and untrustworthy worthy hypocrites shouldn’t come on this channel

[@saramohsinkhan8176]

This has been the most disappointing guest on your podcast so far. Ill-informed and painfully oversimplified.

[@iffet806]

Im kind of glad the audio is bad...this is a bit broken in explanation anyway. The guests is a bit lost for words and all over the place. Never mind.

[@getevennow]

“ Did you make it ? “ - German Soldier “ No, you made it “ - Pablo Picasso

[@Zakkah]

Very disappointing interview.

[@Liberation101]

IK pursued an agenda that includes inter faith and using his position to restructure Pakistan using the Islamic slogans which were in line with America's vision for Pakistan including the reforms to governance, the role of the army and the barriers to foreign investment. However, IK overstepped his mandate, clashed with the army and upset the Saudi's and UAE over his ties to Malaysia and specifically the attempted move of the Islamic centre from Saudi to Asia. As a result, the US decided his firebrand politics were a risk to the US grip on Pakistan and its vision for South Asia. At the same time the generals were free to visit Washington and able to make deals.

[@bilalishaq4362]

I know you know about the sound, but perhaps get it clear and then release. The quality disturbs the message. Thanks.

[@philosophersandpolymaths]

Another Khalid Abbasi with poor articulation and surface knowledge. Looks like someone sent him.

[@jayzizuber6800]

His voice can't be heard clearly. What surprises me is that the interviewers voice is clear.

[@shehzebimam4991]

Unfortunately it appears that the majority of commenters on this episode have missed the point entirely. The issue of Pakistan like the rest of the Ummah is of structural kind where the ideological underpinning is firmly unIslamic behind the state institutions inherited from the British/French before they left including the nation-state model itself! So regardless of who comes to power, they must comply with their masters in the White House else face being ousted. The guest wonderfully articulated how the future of Pakistan and that of Ummah lies with Islam and its global vision, independent of prevailing capitalist order and not by operating within its framework orbiting the White House. As for his analysis of IK and the military it's spot on as well as his historical understanding of present day situation. Top episode bro Jalal!

[@parjanyashukla176]

Why the heck would Britain start the Non-aligned movement?

[@sullys5261]

TM is a great podcast but seems like this guest was below standard and this episode is not worth listening to. I havent watched it but from comment below it seem the guest is ill-informed about certain topics including passing judgement on IK's sincerity. Poor choice of guest.

[@salty4096]

He is spot on about IK’s sincerity. If he was sincere he would have expelled the French ambassador.

[@amajeedsyed2291]

More than enabling Khan to Power in 2018 , it was two things. 1. EST. Did not stop Khan's way in 2018 as the public sway was in Khan's favour. 2. Besides EST also stopped Khan availing 2/3rd majority in 2018 by rigging on election night.

[@JunaidSalehHayat]

Like Scandinavia? Well, they get more perks and privileges than the Scandinavians. They get servants, maids, butlers, drivers, cooks, etc. Who gets all of that in Scandinavia? On top of that, they get free real estate.

[@muhammadislam3047]

The episode reminds us how badly we need Sami Hamdi to establish an institution in order to train young activist to express eloquemtly .

[@salty4096]

Sami Hamdi should be ignored when it comes to Pakistan.

[@qureshi225]

I listened with full attention and still don't understand what is really the problem between IK and Army. It sounds like IK wasn't ready to face the consequences of some of his wrong decisions and started blaming the establishment (army and others) to save his own face. IK is in the wrong.

[@rexlex7784]

I’m not a pti member but the information and arguments of this guest were substandard. I’m not sure if it was due to his English. E.g. he couldn’t even answer an elementary question like why parties must have an election symbol.

[@UthmanAli]

Excellent points by the guest highlighting what most Islamic intellectuals are already saying.

[@azhafeez283]

I see the thinking muslim and I click. May Allah aza wajal reward the whole team for providing such excellent content. Ameen.

[@dr_israrkibzai]

Such a tout of Establishment .. Imran is much more than your Boots will ever be.

[@salty4096]

He is absolutely correct in what he is saying.

[@Hujjathullah-fz7qh]

Highly enlightening interview marred only by the well-informed guest's throat infection and perhaps nervousness too. I would go 90% with his well-thought out views. 40:00 - 42:00, Islam is not anti-cherry-picking towards socio-economic solutions, particularly, within national settings. The building-blocks of the Ummah after all are the Millahs ! Imposing one-size fits all solution across the board in a nationally divided world would be foolish in today's world. Only as the world truly evolve towards a truely-integrated Ummah would that be possible. Imran Khan is right to attempt to tap into different developmental models to shape uniquely Pakistani Islamic solutions in the meanwhile so long as he doesn't also deviate into a Bollywood dream in the process ! MashaAllah, the guest succeeded in contextualising the Pakistan militery's ruling plights and the internal factors influencing it but failed to liberate it from the external strangle hold of the US on its leadership. Thank God it can NEVER be even the word of Islam just forget being the sword of Islam anytime soon. No wonder the Pakistani publics are protesting !

[@ezz1205]

Pakistan needs to "take care" of few generals. People has to have power, F the military. America and India need to back the F off.

[@HamzaKhan-ue7ii]

Imran khan thinks he can plead with the army to bring him into power after he lost the 2018 election. But if anyone else beggs the army to bring them into power, Imran Khan is the first one to cry about it. Don't compalin about the army's roll in politics when the politicians are the ones who beg the army to bring them into the PM seat. People need to know that if a politicians uses the army to come into power then the army can also take them out. So the problem is not the army its the fact the politicians are thirsty to sit in power. All the politicians in Pakistan are insincere, and the point that proves it is that they are willing to do anything to come into power. Pakistanis are sick and tired of democracy. We are one of a few muslim countires that has seen every western form of goverment. Now we want islam to rule, not democracy. Note: I see all the politicians as suspects of the same crime. I see Khan as bad as Sharif and Bhutto.

[@NoahsArchForever]

Few mins in and i know our guest won't be able to make any solid arguments... And the comment section came to save the day for me, not gonna waste time here 😂

[@SharpKnife523]

I don't know how difficult it is to understand that Army should not interfere in politics. Forget about the ground reality. There is nothing wrong in saying that Army should never rule from behind the curtains. The debate is about a principle stand not IK.

[@wajahathusain3148]

What an unbelievably bad guest to invite! Jalal really lost my respect. How can you have this convoluted view of the situation on the ground? and naively asking a question on how foreign powers got rid of IK is akin to how Western journalists are acting naively about Gaza now.

[@azamulhaque8637]

Very disappointed with the quality of the delivery and content.

[@raaid85]

tge guy asssumptions about imran khan r not corrext at all ans makes him sound like a fraud.

[@brainflesh]

Please check the mic spill. Gilani sb's voice is doubling with the mic of the host, sound seems robotic. If you can, reupload with better audio

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

pls see pinned comment - sadly our audio failed us on this occasion

[@brainflesh]

@@TheThinkingMuslim thank you I had a look at it after my comment. It was an interesting view on the current situation.

[@zahidsha433]

Br. Jalal, I enjoy your podcast but this was a hard listen. The guest seems to have had a hard time articulating his ideas.

[@SamSensei955]

While I agree one must not follow leaders blindly. Imran Khan seems to be out way out of being slaves to the military order. We need to take back our rights one right at a time. When IK stops delivering I see the Pakistani people making the smart decision of avoiding him.

[@silentlatif]

44:28 He is lying! Imran has never said "if you're in the military, you're in Scandinavia..".

[@saadsiddiqui6138]

He did not say thsi

[@NexusPetroleum-oz3rq]

Imran was never an army favorite, Generals didn’t oppose him because their first choice Nawaz had a recent falling out with them. Imran had huge wave of support even before he came into power even in 2013 elections which were rigged against him.

[@Antizionist17]

Solid video.

[@Azda-emina]

What a good soul Charlotte is ❤

[@babarmughal-ik4bj]

When i come in comment box i saw same sentiments that the guest is not fit to explain about imran khan and the whole situation, i am very disappointed in very start in that interview and came here for the feedback.. please check the background before inviting any one about his knowledge and its grip on that topic..

[@mnafer697]

If Mr Gilani has any knowledge of the history of Pakistan, especially political and sacterian, he should know that its the the Pak Generals who took Pakistan as a Business Venture. That's why it's said, every country has an Army but Pak Army has a country. Pak Generals DID NOT let the Democracy to flourish by creating many sacterian groups.

[@faceclutch5555]

Its not Imran Khan's army problem.... Its Pakistan's Army Problem m

[@afzalshaikh2128]

Is it the guests voice or this an issue with audio

[@hodaulhusna]

@thethinkingMuslim I suggest you interview Major Adil Raja, he’s an ex-veteran of Pakistan Military.

[@salty4096]

He is a youtuber trying make money off gullible people like you.

[@eauclaire07]

I think we all have our biases. So does the guest. Imran Khan truly is the only sincere leader that Pakistan has seen since the assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan. Siding with China or the US should not hinge on rhetoric but on country’s interests. Hence it is perfectly fine to side with one or the other depending upon the need of the time and project. I wish the guest was a little more candid about crediting Imran Khan for bringing the plight of Kashmiris and Palestinians as a lonely soldier in the United Nations when the entire world opposed. He was the one voice who raised the name of the Prophet ﷺ and protected his honor on the international platform of UN when no Muslim leader would talk about. He raised the question of Islamophobia which we as expatriates face. The guest ignored to mention the limitations of the government because it was hamstrung by undercutting of his priorities by the coalition leadership. I wish he was more candid. He did provide quite a bit of correct information as well.

[@SHaqq-sm3ei]

I had difficulty following this discussion, I personally thought Imran Khan was the best thing to have happened to Pakistan since its creation!

[@m.k.saifullah6084]

Guest is not well versed on this topic...Imran Khan is not typical politician.

[@BilalAhmed-rh9mk]

I understand your perspective, but I must assert that Imran Khan is a hero to many people and has made significant contributions to Pakistan. While it's important to consider the actions of other political leaders like Nawaz, Siraj Ul Haq, and Fazal Ur Rehman, I believe that Imran Khan deserves recognition for his efforts. I appreciate the interview, but the title could be seen as misleading considering the points raised. May be I didn't get the point.

[@ShamilKhayal-nd5ik]

We as Pakistanis have never even heard of this guy. There are more credible people you could talk to about the situation in Pakistan and Imran Khan’s fight for justice. I agree when someone says Bro Sami Hamdi has better insight into this issue than your guest. Usually your channel has something better to offer for thinking minds

[@salty4096]

Youthiya spotted. Sami Hamdi is extremely ignorant on pak politics.

[@ShamilKhayal-nd5ik]

@@salty4096 Assalam o alaikum wrwb

[@ikhan3601]

Reading through.the commenets and listeming to this guest... Its easy to understand why Pakistan has never moved foreward like India, Bangladesh or Afghansitan - Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. The one time since Ayub Khan and General Zia where Pakistan has been blessed with Imran Khan, a man who has sacrificed his health, wealth and family for educating the mass population and working to look after the mass population by stripping Pakistan back to its core and rebuilding it on the principles of its creation, Islam... It is not possible as laymen to understand the weight Imran has on his shoulder in taking over a bankrupt nation.. You can not have independence as a beggar state created by pre Imran Politics. But rather you need to be tactful and draw on the resources and contacts your coutry has and implement changes in stages as Imran has being doing. Pakistanys were ashamed to say they were pakistany until Imran put the country on the world stage where people across Europe, The US and Africa gained respect for Pakistan and saw it as possible nation thay could lead the developing world. "Mere tere rishta kiya? Laaillaha illal lah" # End Zionism ## Free Imran Khan

[@rajahassan2308]

Brother I’m literally hooked to your podcast but I feel like u did a disservice by bringing these kind of people while act like they are neutral journalists but are drenched in some kind of agenda. He didn’t articulate the feelings of 80% Pakistanis. He tried to present Imran as some kind of two faced person desperate for Prime Ministership. In actuality imran represented the masses (the poor masses). He built world class cancer hospitals, universities, started dams (desperate need of Pakistan), had the economy going, billion tree initiative, fought the case of Islamophobia in UN, so on and on and on. It’s sad that this channel was supposed to represent the regular simple Muslims and their problems but this guy clearly represented the military junta in Pakistan.

[@zamira_kg]

May Allah reward the TM team. Your episodes on such a wide range of subjects help me feel as a part of global ummah.

[@ehsankhan8956]

I believe you should invite Dr.moeed pirzada or wajahat saeed Khan they'll be able to elaborate and explain what actually happened and what is about to happen in upcoming days.

[@saadsiddiqui6138]

Please do not invite them

[@GenerationSalaahudDeen]

So there's a big urgent need to get groups of up and coming Islamic scholars to learn the social sciences and how the world functions which will equip then with the tools to provide transitional frameworks which will take them from the current situation to an Islamic State. JZKL I think this is starting to happen in many countries, Alhmdl.

[@danishhanif1134]

The guy can not even lie with the straight face. He looks worried and unconfident. Imran khan is a genuine leader, establishment took 15 seats from him in 2018.