In Defense of Deen/Stay Night (A Newcomer's Guide to Fate)

[@oscarhernandez1316]

When you're told to start with the Deen adaption but ended up watching Fate/Kaleid instead

[@What-sf5ey]

LUL

[@cynt4416]

Ah I see. A man of culture.

[@stephenstlouis]

Well really, Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya is the One True Canon anyway, so who needs to watch these spinoffs.

[@ErebosGR]

Fate/Kaleid is trash, and so am I. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@dragonwarriorz1]

Fuck Fate/kaleid, not even gonna joke about it being canon.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Something important that everyone forgets when talking about this adaptation is that Studio Deen are the ones responsible for giving us the legendary voice actors for the characters we love. There's a timeline where Deen didn't make the adaptation and we didn't get all the voice actors we love.

[@shauqiharris2772]

I can't live in a timeline where Shirou isn't voiced by Noriaki Sugiyama or Saber isn't voiced by Ayako Kawasumi. They're what made the characters iconic and I love their voices so much that if someone else voiced them I will literally cried.

[@ledah1363]

Man, I really like Shirou. Watching Kiritsugu pass his dream onto him- where in Fate he took it to the max. UBW is a contrast, where acceptance that not everyone can be saved was made clear to Shirou. what an emotional rollercoaster. Cant wait for HF.

[@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude]

Oh yeah, and Heaven's feel takes that rollercoaster and turbo charges it into oblivion. I'll just say this, Heaven's feel is the only thing that I've ever read that temporarily messed with my sanity.

[@nightly-kun2142]

@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude yeah mate

[@lonelywolf140]

@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude agreed

[@ChroniclerV]

@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude There's currently a petition for a new Fate/Stay Night, Fate Route Remake by Aniplex and Ufotable. If you're interested, sign it and we will be getting a new Fate/stay night Anime. Link: chng.it/YTMmCgdzx7

[@ChroniclerV]

@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude If you're interested, there's currently a petition for a new Fate/Stay Night, Fate Route Remake by Aniplex and Ufotable. Sign it and we will be getting a new Fate/stay night Anime. Link: chng.it/YTMmCgdzx7

[@eugenefindit]

As much as I agree UFOTable had the better works, I can't hate on Studio Deen's one because if anything at all, it was what got me so interested in the Fate Series. After all, I'm not too fond of visual novels so I'm even more grateful that the 2006 version existed. ^_^

[@daphinence319]

for me this Fate almost prevented me from watching more Fate i almost puked and had to drop it after 14 eps 1/10 and 10/10 for Fate Zero and UBW

[@stygianskies4776]

Wrong attitude to have, bucko. Its existence has practically killed any chances of the Fate route being given a good adaptation, meaning secondaries and tertiaries will always experience this very intentionally linear story out of order. Sometimes nothing is better than something.

[@linktheslayer1572]

StygianSkies yea but you also have to consider the fact that there’s a good chance the ufotable version would never have existed without deens adaptation.

[@lonelywolf140]

@@stygianskies4776 Wrong, do consider the possibility that without this and the UBW DEEN movie adaptation it wouldn't have sprung all these new adaptations by ufotable. Some people never read the visual novel and THIS is what got them into Fate, hell it got me into fate. It was probably not a successful adaptation but it got most of the job done and it might be the only adaptation of Fate we'll ever get. Besides the visual novel this is how it all of Fate began. At least it's something, take it or leave it.

[@ChroniclerV]

@@lonelywolf140 There's currently a petition for a new Fate/Stay Night, Fate Route Remake by Aniplex and Ufotable. If you're interested, sign it and we will be getting a new Fate/stay night Anime. Link: chng.it/YTMmCgdzx7

[@0XBlondie96X0]

"Do NOT watch Fate Zero first." Me: Too late

[@lipppy220]

Same...

[@kokroughtoss1257]

Full heartedly disagree. Always watch Fate Zero first.

[@skullbonk1081]

never understood why people say this

[@Abridgimation]

@@skullbonk1081 my guess is it's for some stuff to be surprising when revealed in Stay Night which would be diminished by watching Fate/Zero first, but like, I started from the stay night 06 anime and had a feeling from the get go that Kirei was a bad guy, mainly because he's a Priest.

[@gemini.saga3]

Real

[@optics242]

if ufotable gave fate route the brotherhood treatment, i would be happy.

[@LongNguyen-pv9sm]

that would be the best course of action Ps: Deen/Stay Night will forever be forgotten

[@EvangelionFan-ru7ri]

a lazy guy It wont happen because the original writer of Fate says he would have to rewrite the Fate route for an adaptation to even work.

[@KidSnivy69]

Long Nguyen Not really, Brotherhood didn't erase the original 2003 adaptation of Fullmetal and Crystal didn't erase the 90's Sailor Moon anime.

[@treebush]

No yes really because the anime diverges enough to be its own timeline that Nasu had to acknowledge that they are not the original

[@BTDZero]

As I recall from an interview, Nasu was ok with rewriting parts of Fate so it would flow better with Zero and so ufotable wouldn't have to re-cover ground that was established with Zero, but doing so would have indefinately delayed production, so they opted for UBW instead since that was ready to go.

[@EbullientSMP]

Honestly Arkada, you're not alone, because I share a very similar opinion with you and I am backing you up. Yes as an adaptation of the Fate route, 2006 is damn flawed, but so far it's still the only anime adaptation for the Fate route, which IMO has the most equal understandings for the characters as well as the best overall worldbuilding. It's the more standard type of story which could get fans acquainted to Fate before they go into the more deeper waters of Fate, and also has the most "complete" resolution of the routes. There are plotholes and spoilers due to the lack of depth for the other 2 routes, which I will admit was a flaw, but in the end I still stand that 2006 is the best beginner spot in Fate for anime fans overall too. You're not alone.

[@goldentrout4811]

Yes he said all that was needed and more. F/SN 2006 is where most people should start at least.

[@truefenriz]

I agree as well. Deen's anime is where I started with Fate and it got me interested in the bigger picture of the franchise. It is flawed, yes, but it got the basic points of the world and the characters across which is probably what newcomers need before diving in (though it does have missteps with regard to Shirou's character). On an unrelated note with Zero in mind, I do think that Fate's ending is the more fitting ending to follow up Zero.

[@Suise21]

i agree too since that's what i started with though granted it was the only fate anime out at the time but it was also one of the first few anime i watched but it's what got me into the whole fate franchise to begin with.

[@hadifathur2702]

ExtremeSManpig you know, the deen one is what making me hesistant to dive to fate franchise. But after zero finished airing I do not care anymore about the others and immediately binge watching zero. Never I did regret it. Because when I rewatching it. It feels a lot different

[@kian26master]

ExtremeSManpig you can't forget that OP music either. All were good but Imo that is the best one so far.

[@Overander]

You are not alone. Deen's F/SN brought me into this universe. While it was not as well animated as Ufotable's work, I think it got more scrutiny than it deserves. The plot is good - keeps the tension most of time. And the animation holds itself pretty well, considering it's age. Would recommend anyone to watch it first.

[@CrazedComposure]

Thank you for making this, this was super helpful! I've wanted to get into Fate for years, but whenever I ask an anime fan about the watching order, no one really knows where to start. Not even TV Tropes could answer this one. And you're my favorite anime reviewer, so at last, I have a watching order that I trust!

[@noradora5713]

I watched Deen/stay night first and I’m so glad that I did so. When I watched Zero, I knew the ending, which added a layer of tragedy to it that made it even better in my opinion. Now I’m watching UBW.

[@CPS42069]

I remember watching Zero then Deen stay night afterwards (I had just finished the VN+hollow ataraxia before that) and it was quite an experience to say the least, Saber's story wrapped up pretty nicely.

[@mediadetective6104]

I personally would like to thank you GR, in this Quarantine I was looking for something good to watch and I thought “well...if there’s anytime to get into Fate, the time’s now.” While thinking of what to watch first, I remembered watching this video and a few other videos you made years ago saying “start with Deen.” So that’s where I started, and I regret nothing. The Deen series is honestly not that bad, it’s not great or anything but it felt like an okay beginning, then I watched Zero and loved it, then UBW and also loved it, and I just finished Apocrypha and it was good (Mordred and her master should’ve been the MCs). Overall, I’m now part of the fandom thanks to you, I took your advice and ran with it. Now I’ve got no regrets and can’t wait to see the Heaven’s Feel movies

[@OtakuDaiKun]

Watch all the Fate anime! You really can't go wrong but no matter what you watch you should check out the VN.

[@eniggmaaincognito7215]

wow it's nice to see you here.

[@OtakuDaiKun]

Eniggmaa Incognito I agree with a lot of his stuff.

[@spinyslasher6586]

just play realta nua version if you don't want any sex scenes.

[@lostonessoul8435]

To understand fate you Must go back to the origin.

[@Gilgamesh97C]

Very True

[@sonic5993]

I wonder how many people in the comments just watched Fate/Zero and now assume they know everything about the Nasuverse and call everything else in it, "trash"

[@withlove-emi]

BlackYakuzu94 : One, if you count your imaginary friend.

[@haziee3108]

BlackYakuzu94 ALOT, as i have seen and read by now

[@azizsaidy1135]

There's A LOT of them here. And it's really frustrating.

[@q.m9094]

It is trash though Anime at least I've seen pretty much all the fate anime released and zero is the only good one so far tbh, deen's is horrible, UBW is also very bad, grand order along is bad but having played the game it's nice to see animated, apocrypha seems good so far, and prisma illya and khaleid are just prisma illya and khaleid So aside from the VNs and LNs yes everything other than zero is either mediocre or horrible Though fate/extra adaptation will be great

[@sonic5993]

Q.M you do realize Zero is based on a LN right

[@stormcutter59]

With my recent and strangely curious tendencies of the franchise, it is oddly appropriate how you've come to make this video for people like me who are interested in watching the anime but not knowing where to start with it. Thanks man, I'll definitely get started in the order you've described. Not only was I going to start with that particular adaptation, but now I have a better idea where to run to next after I'm done watching it. Props mate and have a good day

[@AlexanderWilithinIII]

I really wish I had finished Heaven's Feel before watching Fate/Zero. I'm barely into the route and it's already had some revelations I would've thought were mindblowing had I not known them from Zero. Listen to this man. DO NOT WATCH ZERO FIRST. Play the game. Watch Deen. Watch a playthrough on youtube if it has to come to that. Just don't ruin the story for yourself by watching Zero first.

[@ShadowVghost]

I just did. Never did the research about 'correct' order, so figured starting point by playing with MAI prequel/sequel/alternative section. Now I feel that I'm fucked :/

[@alwff]

same

[@calebbionda4667]

to late

[@OTheDetective]

Finally someone mentions playthroughs of the vn

[@lackusshock]

I personally didn't really mind the spoilers... My only issue was how hard was it to enjoy HF due to the events of HF. (Unfortunately for me, I a sticker for details and Deen/Stay Night already kept me on guard thanks to Sakura's kidnapping. The literal flower petal on Shinji's Book sure didn't help and Rin kissing Sakura's forehead instantly screamed into my head "They're siblings aren't they.") (I've started playing the VN after that. Since its Realta Nua, you could play it out of order and because I wanted to save UBW for last and I basically just saw Fate route in Deen/Stay Night, I started with Heaven's Feel. Because of technical issues I lost all my data and stopped at the scene just after Nine Lives Blade Works. Didn't feel motivated to replay until recently. Thus I watched Fate/Zero.) What Fate/Zero does to me instead is feeling like I'm being lead astray. The ending of Zero had me thinking "So that boy is going to inherit Kiritsugu's dream to save the world? I wonder how he's gonna do it.", "Poor Saber... but that sunlight shining through the clouds though. Maybe her someone can finally save her heart." and "Well, Gilgamesh is still around. I wonder what epic fight scene is going to happen with him." Heaven's Feel pretty much shoves all three of my expectations into the shredder. Saber becoming Saber Alter in particular just depresses me. And personally I found Rider too boring to care about her being the main Servant of the Route. (I really love her in Hollow Ataraxia though).

[@moonleafteaofthemonth]

sorry...but I have a confession to make. I watched fate/Zero first. in fact I went: zero, ubw, then stay night. honestly though, no regrets.

[@sithersproductions]

adoranymphlupin i went zero stay night ubw vn

[@Cristopherthekiller1]

I watched Zero ---> Stay night. Haven't watched the rest yet, but Stay night was painful to watch because in Zero Saber is a way better character, I mean, the fact that she was a woman NEVER played a role in the story, which was very interesting to me. She wasn't a badass woman, she was just badass, you know? And then on fate Stay night, we have the protagonist trying to be a "gentleman" and protect her. WTF?

[@moonleafteaofthemonth]

Chris yeah...that whole bit where shirou's like, "girls shouldn't go around carrying swords!" kinda needled me. I can still enjoy the thing overall though because I do love the voice cast for the subbed version. (thank you carnival phantasm and fate/Zero drama cds)

[@flockinify]

Chris You should have read the visual novel, Fate 2006 handled characters really badly.

[@fmaster99]

Chris >Zero Saber >badass How? She got trashed by everyone left and right. Her ideals and way of living were humiliated and she had a master that treated her like a piece of crap. No, having motorcycle and a suit doesn't makes her "badass" In Stay Night while things don't start completely okay, Shirou does develop outside of that protective mentality and Saber develops more as a character, getting a moment that is far beyond anything badass that she did in Zero

[@bruhmoment5083]

I actually liked the 2006 adaptation

[@cattynob955]

same

[@creativebusinessunit7506]

Same, maybe cause i didnt read the visual novel which is why i couldnt rlly nitpick on the discrepancies and mistakes studio deen made in adapting the VN but as my first entry to the fate series/universe/nasuverse it was alright

[@Nerex27]

Seth Reed yeah I mean the quality is okay, but I think I don’t like it because I’ve read the visual novel too many times.

[@shad2690]

I like it quite a bit. I dont like it nearly as much as other Fates, but the original Stay Night was where I started, and I still like it for what it is

[@matheusduarte6284]

I Love this Fate more than UBW.

[@kiritsuguemiya8274]

Shirou Emiya: People die when they are killed Dr Gilgamesh: Hold my wine

[@seankrkovich2869]

Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right

[@shauqiharris2772]

Archer Class Really Is Made Up Of Archers.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

I hope Ufotable eventually remakes Arturia's perspective with last episode attached. I don't think it has to resemble the original Fate route as long as it hits the same general basic information points somewhere along the way. Since fate as a route is designed to be mostly infodump and set up for rules and stories and motivations for later routes, they would have to change that in the first place. But i think it would be a good challenge for Nasu to try and write. Tsukihime is much easier to adapt(like Sakaki shounen's manga adaption which is awesome) because Arc is the clear and present focal point of the series, so even if the farside isn't detailed, you can still have a wholesome story by including elements from other routes. FSN doesn't really work in that manner. By the way, you forgot that people should read Sakaki Shounen's Tsukihime manga adaption at some point too, as Fate Zero directly references Tsukihime elements and to get perspective on that, you'd have to either suffer through JC staff Tsukihime to get a weak experience or read the visual novel which is not ideal at this point.

[@digichu007]

Yeah, that would be cool. It's too bad that the "Last Episode" was written into the visual novel for the PS2 remake, after the anime had already aired. I hope they add it to the end of Heaven's Feel Blu-rays as a "visual novel completion" like the game did when all 45 endings were viewed.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

i dont think that would be right, since its not apart of heaven's feel. It would also take away the point of a remake of fate which i still want to have happen

[@digichu007]

MrInuhanyou123 I wouldn't put it at the end of the feature film, but in the special features or something like they did for UBW True End in the 2014 adaptation's blu-rays. My sister would definitely love a new adaptation of the Fate route too. However, I'm skeptical if they'll do a remake, but I'll hope for it.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Who says Kenji kawaii could not come back ey? :P

[@Mikura39]

Saberian Dream I disagree. Ufotable's animation is just, unlimited budget works. And I totally want to see them remake the Fate route. But I do indeed hope that they got Kenji Kawai for the soundtrack. Even if they remake some parts of it, as long as majority of the plot remains untouched.

[@rrichiee1990]

I watched Fate Zero... before realising it was a prequel to Fate Stay Night. Jumping into Fate Zero requires you to take so much information in

[@manuellara9644]

rrichiee1990 when I watched it, I didn't know shit about the fate series

[@mako8091]

for reals, first time I watched Zero I was trying to figure out who the MC was, and it was hella boring for the first half. Watched Deen/Stay Night, UBW then went back to Zero.

[@LDsprite]

As someone who was lucky enough to have started with the VN, I totally agree. I used to shit all over the Deen anime on the internet and real life, even stopped one of my friends from watching it, probably killing his interest for the entire franchise in the process (I know, I'm an ass). Now that the UBW anime exists and the Heaven's Feel trilogy is on its way, I decided to revisit the Deen.anime with fresh eyes and yeah, not only is it necessary for people who want the full story without doing any reading, it's actually got some surprising attention to detail and holds up quite well in places (For instance, I used to hate that they showed that Berserker fight, but in hindsight it's got some cool foreshadowing for Heaven's Feel in it.). I think the reason I hated it so much is that, back in the day, it was all that there was, and I was afraid that anime-only people would be missing out on all the things that make F/SN great. I'd still recommend skipping Deen's version of the Caster arc (ideally watching the VN's Fate Caster scene on KZbin instead or something) so you don't spoil yourself horribly for UBW and Heaven's Feel, but outside of that this is absolutely the best way to go about getting into Fate/Stay Night, barring just reading the VN, of course. "Starting with Fate/Zero is like beginning Star Wars with Episode 1!" THANK YOU. I've been saying this exact thing for years.

[@mi-fc1mh]

Hey I know it's been a year but I wanna ask you since the VN there's 3 reads including Fate and since the anime adaptation is not that good is it a good idea to read Fate road in the VN and then watch the others as adaptations anime/movie without reading them bc it'd be long as hell and then lastly watch zero ??

[@numericalhorror185]

Lola if you’re still looking for advice that’s a good way to do it! There’s a lot more packed into the VN but if you want to jump into the anime reading the fate route should be fine following it up with UBW then HF and FZ. With the second HF movie out you can honestly jump into FZ too since huge revelations are in those first 2 movies

[@mi-fc1mh]

@@numericalhorror185 ey thank you! Actually I read all of the vn and watched every existing fate anime 😂😂 you can say I'm a fate trash now

[@d-swagg9683]

Caster's arc was the final arc of deen's adaptation right? Asking cuz I started fate watching that and enjoyed it quite a bit. Though I do have to agree with alot of the hate it gets (shiro's personality, overall execution) I'm on zero now but I'm glad I watched the deen 06 adaptation for world building purposes and I do hope my questions about Hercules's master from deen are answered in zero regarding her resemblance to daddy emiya's main squeeze.

[@stygianskies4776]

>people who want the full story without doing any reading Here's your issue. These people don't deserve human rights. They're the bane of intelligent discussion and hurt online communities. Better to gatekeep than introduce poison, lord knows Type Moon doesn't need any extra cash

[@mahiru20ten]

"Starting from Zero is like watching Star Wars but from Episode One." Heck, I only knew about Star Wars after watching Episode III in theaters, but then a local TV station aired all 5 other movies in release orders, so I know a little bit more about the universe.

[@Amifix]

Not notification squad - just always lurking on KZbin squad

[@-grey]

life.

[@alienplatypus7712]

Amifix Sad but real

[@demonlordoftheroundtable2456]

Every time a friend of mine or anyone wants to know how to get into the Fate franchise, I send them this video.

[@bryonbodine87]

"Deen/Stay Night" was the show that hooked me and made me a fan of the Fate series. It will always have a place on my shelf.

[@dusty2366]

I'm not sure about this, because I did watch Zero first. I loved it, then I went to watch the Stay Night stuff. After that I decided to go back and see Zero again and (besides noticing a few things I hadn't before) I really didn't feel any different towards it, or Fate in general.

[@PotatoRankEX]

It's not about what you feel about it or not. It just simply changes the experience, and once that you went through everything, you won't feel any different.

[@ifonlyicouldstop]

I went UBW to Fate/Zero and THEN mopped up the Faith stay night. I found that to be a really easy introduction because there is plenty of information in the first 2 episodes of UBW. Zero is the real gem so I agree with him that it's worth have the conception that everything being done is futile.

[@zokark2]

The Great Mizuti honestly if knowing spoilers really ruin a story, then that story is bad in the first place, after all it just men that syory is a series of bullet points withouth any interesting about it rather than the plot. And fate is not that, the themes, characters and universe (in that order), is what it makes it interesting.

[@guts145]

You'll see with Heaven's Feel

[@lpfan4491]

people:"you ruined stay night to yourself by watching zero first". so stay night is a bad story

[@goldengear1000]

I agree that if you’re truly invested in getting into Fate, watch 2006 or read the VN. However, if you’re just kind of a casual viewer (or trying to get someone else into Fate like I do a lot), I would never recommend either. To get someone into it, the show needs to hook them in early, and neither the VN or 2006 anime can do that. If you’re already determined to get into the show, you already have that hook, but otherwise, that can best be found in Fate/Zero or UBW.

[@arnavranjan3411]

I watched Deen’s adaptations first. Maybe that’s why ufotable’s UBW seemed unsatisfying (story wise). Also Saber’s character development was beter in deen’s adaptation.

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

Almost everyone's Character development was better in the Deen/stay night.

[@chevalierkraken]

​@@shawnwarrynn8609especially Rin who is an silly tsundere in ufotable adaptation

[@WinspearUltima]

Me from 2024 telling you that fate stay night visual novel is getting an English localisation but also has plans to check out Deen stay night

[@WhatCaMaHoZit]

I'm one of the few that enjoyed Deen/Stay Night. It what got me into the series in the first place.

[@adrienfiorucci6045]

I completely agree with your order of watching. I personnaly followed it when I first entered the "Nasuverse". I want to thank you for insisting on the importance of Deen/Stay Night. Of course the show isn't perfect, it has some flaws, and I would rehabilitate it only under certain conditions, because it suffers from technical weaknesses, pacing issues and slowness in general. BUT sometimes, one forgets all the qualities of Deen's adaptation of Fate, notably the magnificent score of Kenji Kawai, the subtle and full treatment of a superb and cruel love story, and the most affectuous presentation of Saber, an exceptionnal goddess that inhabits my dreams for months now, since I discovered the anime. Thanks for this video, and please continue your great job ! -- A belgian physicist otaku :D

[@runningwild09]

Ironically I started out with Zero but then dropped it because the first episode which felt like two episodes, was boring. THen later on after hearing more and more about it, I picked up Deen's version since it seemed like a decent place to start and it explain things really well. but then I watched Zero without realizing that it was a prequel, then UBW. After all of that, got too impatient and decieded to read the VN for HF, Fate HA and even the recent Fate Apoc. Good franchise really

[@IrfanFakhrianto]

Aight people, round up, for I am about to ask the hardest question ever. Which one is more convoluted, the Fate series, or Kingdom Hearts? ᵃˡˢᵒ ʷʰᵉʳᵉ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ʳᵃᵖ ᵃᵗ ᵗʰᵒ Also also, WATCH CARNIVAL PHANTASM AND READ THE ILLYA MANGA

[@memestercrapsticks2908]

Irfan Fakhrianto kingdom hearts

[@mantisking4567]

Irfan Fakhrianto monogatari series too

[@ShinigamiNTW]

Fate by a landslide.

[@Never_heart]

Irfan Fakhrianto Kingdom Hearts needed a complete remake of KH2 which added and reworked the story just to make it make sense.

[@mangamanzx]

Irfan Fakhrianto fate, cause Fate is part of a much much bigger whole called the nasuverse in which each series is a puzzle piece that strings together the most esoteric lore I've ever seen... and most of the series are canon glimpsing into at least 1 new aspect of the universe every time so if you want the full story, you have to watch or read all of them... so Fate is more convoluted

[@MrInuhanyou123]

DEEN Stay Night was my entree into fate in 06...i was one of those people just tuning into the premiere in Japan because i had seen pictures of Arturia online and i wanted to see what her anime was liket. I was not into Type Moon at the time, even though i had seen the non existent JC staff Tsukihime adaption years before that(i didn't make the connection between the two's origins until later). Fate Stay Night 06 still plays a special place in my heart and ignited by love for everything Type Moon, Arturia and everything in between. Sure it was flawed and DEEN really didn't put a lot of effort in, but it was still enjoyable. I even liked UBW DEEN movie for what its worth.

[@bazzy5644]

Holy.. so you really got spoiled on one if not the most crucial character twist in the whole vn form the get go? Wow.. did you go back and read the vns, your style of writing implies it, i hope you did.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

I have experience of pretty much everything in Type Moon, so yes visual novels, light novels, the extended universe games(extra, melty ect). And i think the "spoiling" nature of FSN 06 is overstated. I didn't catch anything originally back then outside of Rin and Sakura having some kind of connection that was lightly implied. I was still very shocked when i read the VN and got what was actually going on

[@lonelywolf140]

I love this anime, for me it's where it all began

[@danielav6038]

I tried to watch Fate/Zero based on commenters' recommendations a few years back when it came ou, tand I was very confused and had no idea what I was watching. Now that I watched Deen/Stay Night based on your recommendation, I feel like I'm watching a completely different series! Thank you!

[@bazzy5644]

Its becasue it is a different series. Stay/Night is one Series that is based on a VN and Zero is based on a LN that came years afterwards, hell Zero has not even made an attempt as naming itself Stay/ Night/ Zero or some shit, that should be hint enough. Do not get me wrong i do like Zero, but its painful to see so many assume it is part of the same source matrial. If you only enjoy Zero you are a Zero Fan, Not A Fate/Stay Night one.

[@ziggystardust1973]

Starting with Zero is like starting with phantom meanace (like I did when I was a kid) edit: well fuck, he said it himself

[@DisturbedHunterG]

Tobias F 1. watching the video 2. commenting

[@DanVideos]

Except the phantom menace is by far the worst film while Zero is by far the best show

[@firelegendmushroom]

Tobias F I don't think that comparison works, because those films were (however erroneously) intended to be watchable chronologically. Watching them chronologically isn't some kind of alternate way to view them, it's intended, regardless of it making no sense. And also they were kind of garbage, unlike Fate/Zero, so there isn't the impetus of "well, this is the best part, so why not start there?"

[@smsmsm9474]

Believe me, starting from FZ is the worst thing you can do in regard to watching fate. I myself start from FZ, was mildly interested in the fate franchise as a whole and start digging in, i.e. reading the VN. And as stated as the video, most of the story crucial revelations and plot points are casually given out to the viewer in episode 1. Yes, most of the revelations in a story that could be considered a mystery story. Not a good sign there. All the suspenses and shock factors when all those revelations are mostly lost when I read the VN, which is really a dead sentence for most mystery stories out there. Still, I continue on reading it, and complete it. A really good read, every revelations are executed better than FZ did (of course it did, FZ basically just lightly touch those plot points before moving on). I decided to re-watch FZ. And it really surprise me as I went through it, I noticed a lot of subtle points that I didn't see in my first time watching. The context of FSN adds up an entirely new layer of meaning to FZ, enhancing the watching experience so much it feels like I am seeing a completely different anime. So yes you should start with the VN, the best way to getting in the fate franchise IMO. Or at least the fate route, then proceed on watching whatever you like. Well it's fine if you choose not to, I can't really force you.

[@LuckyLokiLuko]

I'd argue that is an extremely flawed analogy. It's more like Starting the Godfather at part II. Diving right into the best part and infer the background from context.

[@emilyreda9595]

I remember watching this anime when I was 7 and that’s how I got introduced to the franchise and it’s been my favorite franchise ever since.

[@bazzy5644]

Oh wow, i'm kinda envious of you and that is not sarcasm. I really wonder what a childhood growing up with fate must've been like. I had DBZ, but i'm not so sure that was as amazing as fate is in hindsight for me.

[@emilyreda9595]

Bazzy Fate is just epically awesome.

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

There's currently a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route. If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route. Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&

[@GoldenPincers]

Finally! I'm glad someone else shares my opinions on Deen/Stay Night, a big anituber at that. Sure, D/SN is not perfect by any means, the ending is a mesh of the 3 routes plus original stuff, and the production values are nowhere near today's quality. BUT! Like Arkada said, D/SN is the best start, imo. F/Z was created AFTER F/SN with the mindset that you already know what happened in F/SN, to show the futility of the characters in a tragic way. And that's the point of F/Z. D/SN gives us the basics, the necessary knowledge required to advance to the rest, premise-wise, story-wise and character-wise. The 1st route in the F/SN VN is the Fate route... what D/SN adapts, and while it's not an amazing adaptation, it HAD to not be one. Having a perfect adaptation of the Fate roue wouldn't have worked. Completing the Fate route in the VN leaves much incompletion and questions, but that you can quickly see answered by playing UBW and then HF. But anime don't have that freedom. Meanwhile, watching a perfect Fate route adaptation would leave a sense of incompletion, but you wouldn't be able to check a UBW anime because, well, there wasn't any. So changes were necessary to give an ending that felt the most complete possible, to a story that originally isn't complete to begin with. If anything, what Deen did is very commendable. They gave an ending to something that didn't have a proper one, bc you could continue to two other stories to fill the gaps left in the 1st story. Deen/Stay Night has its issues, of course, but it is the best starting point for anime watchers. Playing the VN is best, but not everyone can play through 50+ hours of a VN. For anime-onlies, D/SN is the best start, imo.

[@guts145]

Even without time you can manage something like, one day in-game of reading everyday. And you know, even if you don't do that, I think I'll choose to wait for optimal condition to do the best medium over having to do it in shitty way anyday.

[@GoldenPincers]

But not everybody can or wants to play VNs, some people have low patience, some others don't like the structure of VNs, etc. For those people, D/SN is the best proper start. It's not a shitty way either, like I've said before

[@guts145]

Diversification is good, you can't just stay in your zone of confort

[@lpfan4491]

i honestly want a remake of this anime over anything else. the first half needs to be reworked and second half needs minor touch ups(i really like it).what is kinda sad tho is that they never properly actually explained shinji as a master.they could have done it in ubw,but we all know they didnt have the direction and time(only 1:45:00) to even fully adapt the actual focus of the route

[@jeffersonalmarinez2551]

it was by accident when I bought a bootleg of studio deens F/SN, and I fell in love with the lore and the characters, and lately I've been binge watching the rest of the series again, UBW and heavens feel, then zero and apocrypha.

[@ArcyNeo]

finally a dude that though still isnt a big fan of that series still says to watch finally someone is smart thank god

[@blackittyyy05]

Thank goodness I watched Deen/Stay Night first

[@ancientfungi7818]

Last time I was so early, was when Fate/apocrypha ep 1 subbed came out ;)

[@FoPT]

Been wanting to get into the Fate series of things for a while, this will be helpful thanks :D

[@ziggystardust1973]

john for a tip, the entire VN is on LParchiev, as in the text written out, with some commentary that can be ignored, in case you have a problem getting into the VN format like I did

[@FoPT]

No matter how hard I try I can't get into visual novels I can't fully grasp their worth, even Steins; Gate I bought on Steam but can barely get to the first D-mail before just rewatching the anime. So I'll listen to Arkada's recommendation, and watch Fate Stay/Night 2006 when I have time. Still I'll check out LPArchive, thanks for the suggestion!

[@ziggystardust1973]

john The one on LParchiev reads like a book, as all the choices are made and the bad ends can be red seperatley

[@micahltaylor4376]

john you don't like to read huh

[@alois9206]

john Start with Fate zero, you'll get all the suspens that way.

[@Metroid4ever]

Deen's Fate/Stay Night was excellent, I enjoyed it thoroughly! It's a perfect starting place.

[@coolboy666pop]

aye vro this is the best anime channel out there the structure, content, and how this dude is not a weeb is all perfect I just subscribed after watching like 15 vids today. you should so upload everyday if you can.

[@deathstar6998]

If there is one thing I can say about Deen's Stay night, Nothing beats Arturia's theme and I mean nothing

[@flamingmushroom00x88]

Started with Zero and personally I still enjoyed the original Fate/Stay Night anime. Currently on episode 3 of UBW and already loving it. But no matter what, definitely watch Deen/Stay Night because if you look past the animation and the amount of flaws in the story, you will find yourself enjoying it.

[@haydencrawford8552]

I started with apocrypha because I didn't know what a fate was and just saw "best girl" on the preview card on Netflix Then I watched UBW, then zero

[@jonathanrobinson8926]

I cannot emphasize how much I agree with this opinion.

[@WinspearUltima]

2:17 man I’m so jealous that you have a physical copy of this VN I can’t wait to get the fate stay night remastered when it comes out later this year.

[@hazelcrisp]

I thought Deen's adoption was not perfect but was enjoyable and was a good way for me to get into the series as it mashed up the three routes which let me dip my feet into the pool by focusing on the fate route mainly

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

I started watching this recently and thankfully began with Deen/Stay Night and would agree it's an ideal starting point if you're new to the franchise. I watched the first three episodes of Unlimited Blade Works yesterday but I'm leaving it there and will start Fate/Zero tonight, once that's done I'll return to UBW and after that I want to watch Fate/Apocrypha.

[@shineinouzen7412]

Same here! It took me longer to figure out what to watch first than actually watching all of DEEN. I enjoyed it quite a bit.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

Keep It Zen Haha unlucky, thankfully the first thing that popped up on Google suggested the correct order for me. I finished Fate/Apocrypha last night and have really enjoyed the Fate series as a whole. Can't wait for Heaven's Feel.

[@animemixer1]

Nice to see that you still defend watching the Deen adaptation. I know a few people who have never bothered with it just because "it's old" or they've "heard it's crap" and similar things, so it lifts my spirit to know that you have the sense about you to still consider it worth watching.

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

There's currently a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route. If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route. Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&

[@Puru-Ai]

Glad you made this video, I've wanted to check out this series after finding one of the opening songs on youtube and loving it. But between all of the visual novels (which I really don't feel like reading), anime and games(???) I had no idea how to even start. Thank you.

[@markburns4837]

I'm think I might watch Deen/stay night

[@excaliburwolf414]

"Don't watch Fate/Zero first." *Me who saw Fate/Zero first before watching this.* "....Fuck"

[@manuellara9644]

Saber and Kintaro me too buddy me too

[@treebush]

yay a fellow VN reader that agrees newbies should start with D/Sn. You should watch it for its goddamn soundtrack

[@sithersproductions]

Bearded Sifu you should watch because Saber is by far best waifu

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

There's currently a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route. If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route. Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&

[@Sev017]

I have waited so damn long to find an in depth answer to the watch order that's best! THANK YOU I CAN FINALLY WATCH THIS SERIES!

[@MovieMowDown]

I had no problem watching Zero first. It shows a man passing his heroic legacy to a survivor.

[@TheManFromWaco]

UFOtable's UBW assumes you've seen F/Z, while F/Z assumes you've seen Deen Stay Night. Deen Stay Night in turn drops a sprinkling of plot points from other routes that weren't adapted at the time, so they all spoil each other to some extent and there isn't really a 'perfect' way to watch this franchise. I ended up starting with F/Z simply because if there are going to be spoilers no matter what, I'd rather have a good anime spoil a mediocre one rather than the other way around.

[@PrimexMaxusTitan]

Fate/stay night 2006 doesn't really spoil that much besides the Caster storyline in UBW. Aside from that, it only hints at a relationship between Rin and Sakura.

[@rainando3034]

i agree!! i really hate the argument dont watch fate zero first because it will spoil UBW. Just finished UBW and youre right so many details and reference from UBW to zero just skipped through with assumption that people watched zero already. Like damn kitsurugi and sakura part are so insignificant like i didnt care to know more about them based on UBW but that's fine because Ufotable assumed that people know about their story because people watch zero already. so zero-UBW combo works for me.

[@JordanD1337]

Just read the Visual Novel. No matter the adaptation there will always be details left out when adapting a Visual Novel to an Anime due to the very nature of it.

[@bazzy5644]

This and it sometimes is even more terrible. A great example would be the time loop arc form steins;gate, wehre for the first time we saw what could happen if you ignore your moral's in there. This, of course never made it into the anime. Its not the worst example i can think of, but it boils down to making anime "teen friendly" none the less.

[@darthportus]

Left out inner monolgues is best exemple of that

[@manabu3390]

me:saber is my waifu friends: Dude saber just die me:people are die when they got kill

[@marc0s158]

i was browsing netflix a year or so ago. I saw a interesting title of an anime: Fate/Zero. I said, what the hell why not? Thus my journey into Fate began. I am so sorry. that said, i do agree with you GR! i had no idea what was going on and felt like i was missing a ton of context.

[@Neironify]

Oh thanks.You saved me by telling me in what order to watch this anime.

[@Kaorichan92]

I get what you mean, but I feel like Fate/Zero works the best as both an introduction AND a stand-alone story if a newbie isn't sure how into this giant crazy franchise they actually want to go. I also can't think of much that's important in Fate route that doesn't get covered or done better in the other two routes and/or Zero so I'd personally only recommend D/SN to completionists or as something entertaining to have on in the background [This is all obviously a moot point to anyone who wants to read the vn first and LBR, most people aren't gonna want to do that].

[@DeuSCaNoN]

Arkada as also someone who's HEAVILY invested into the nasuverse, I have to politely disagree with you on the optimal watch order. I do agree Deen Stay/Night should be first as it's the closest thing to the Fate route. However I would put Fate/Zero AFTER Heaven's feel all on the notion that the original light novel was written with the assumption the reader has read all 3 routes. For me it hurts the most because Sakura's backstory was the defining moment of heartbreak for me in the series, Fate/Zero has spoiled that to the mass populous and none of them, in my opinion, will experience the same amount of sadness that was realizing the happy cheerful girl was a broken mess. How you read 2 full routes getting a sense that Sakura was pure and then getting hit with her full tragedy. So ya, I would recommend Deen Stay Night, ufotable UBW, ufotable Heaven's Feel, then Fate/Zero as the best way to experience fate.

[@icecreamisfood]

Is heavens feel a movie?

[@bazzy5644]

I guess it will need more than one to finish the route. Not sure, though. I dread how much they will change the arc to make it pg.

[@EvangelionFan-ru7ri]

@@bazzy5644 It is a hard R series so far.

[@MasoomRana]

I would disagree with you, mainly because the FZ and HF anime adaptations were written in a way where HF pays off Zero. I would agree if someone isn't limited to just the anime, because the visual novel and the light novel fall into what you are saying, so then yeah. But the adaptations by Ufotable are absolutely written so that it starts with Zero and ends with HF.

[@RamixTheRed]

I hate when people say to watch Fate/Zero first. Watching prequels first is a terrible idea

[@EasternFantasy13]

I agree with everything you're saying about why Deen adapted the Fate route the way they did. Being the first route and the introduction to the world of Stay Night made the Fate route the most logical choice but they needed to add at least some elements of the other routes because there's so many key events that occur in them. Such as that filler with Sakura which was put in so she and Caster would actually have a role in a storyline they barely appeared in in the original VN version. Caster only has an active role in UBW while Sakura gets involved in the war only during HF. At the time, there was no way of knowing the other routes would get the chance to be animated. I'm very glad I watched both Deen and Zero before UBW.

[@Sagamanz89]

I appreciate this video because I watched the first episode of Fate/Zero 2 year ago, and I didnt understand jack shit about it. It made me drop the series and anything related to Fate. So now I know where to start, Thank you. :)

[@bazzy5644]

Keep in mind Zero is a prequel, so it does expect you to KNOW all about /Stay Night! So even his recommendation to put it in between will spoil the upcoming Heaven's Feel movies. But hey they will take years, its save to assume you have forgotten about it by then, lol

[@The_Wise_Viper]

It seems the comments have a decent amount of diversity, but I'll still put in my two cents. I agree that Fate/Stay Night 2006 should be watched first (for anime-onlys) and I'm actually part of the minority that enjoyed the series enough to finish it through. However, I'm not to appreciative of making the act of watching Fate/Zero first a taboo, and some have already taken that to heart. Of course, I don't think it was your intention to antagonize those who started off with Fate/Zero, so I won't flame you for something you didn't do. I watched the Fate Series in this order: Fate/Zero, Fate/Stay Night 2006, Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works by ufotable, (this is also when I watched Kara no Kyoukai, but that's in the broader Nasuverse), tried Fate/kaleid, Fate/Grand Order, the new Fate/Apocrypha I don't think there's anything wrong with beginning with Fate/Zero first, as there's still a underlying problem with people starting with Fate/Stay Night (2006). First of all, the viewer might not even finish the adaption due to its various problems, most of which are seen right away in DEEN's botched interpretation of Shirou. We already know this. But the problem lies in that Fate/Stay Night (2006) has a different kind of audience, or rather a different audience demographic, than Fate/Zero (this is assuming we exclude people who read the visual novels as this is for anime only). Now obviously, the audiences overlap due to being the same franchise, but the sheer difference in the tone of F/SN 06 and F/Z, F/SN UBW, and F/SN HF means that people who would actually appreciate the rest of the series won't even give them the light of day if they don't power through F/SN 06. And the people who do enjoy and finish it are met with Fate's typical long expositions, which they might actually get bored of. This separation in tone is unfortunate as DEEN seemed to want to take the material seriously as shown from using the remix of This Illusion, disillusion, as it's opening, but still fell into multiple cliche pitfalls. Fate/Zero may hold spoilers (and while I am not one who cares about spoilers, that's a topic for another day), but those are really only glimpses into the various routes, and do not contain enjoyment breaking spoilers, unless finding out Sakura is "bad" without any context is truly intolerable for Heaven's Feel. If anything, it encourages viewers of Fate/Zero to anticipate the upcoming Heaven's Feel Movies. Fate/Zero also meant for a mature audience, and takes them seriously, and presents a multitude of fascinating clashing ideals while Fate/Stay Night 2006 is rather generic in its appeal towards a teenage audience. My point is that people will want to see something in the series that fits to them, and if they choose Fate/Zero to start from because they like the tone, a certain character, or just how dang beautiful it is, they totally can do that, especially if they would not feel encouragement from Fate/Stay Night 2006.

[@Mercure250]

Would starting with UBW and then watching Fate/Zero be a bad idea, in your opinion?

[@jekmx3441]

I would.....*cough* suggest to read before anything else Tsukihime ,Plus DISC and Kagetsu Tohya *cough*

[@TheRhythym]

As someone who DID get into the franchise with Fate/Zero, back before UBW even came out, I have to say that I actually felt like the story did a GREAT job communicating how pointless and tragic everything was on its own. Not that I disagree with you entirely. It probably would've been better to start with Deen's F/SN if I had known (still having trouble finding it actually), but it's not as big a deal to start with F/Z as you make it out to be.

[@bazzy5644]

Of course it is. One of the major revelations was the rin and sakura twist, that was spoiled by Zero, becasue it assumed you knew the entire VN, Fate, UBW and Heaven's Feel already! It even happened to myself, so i know this was the case and it lessened my enjoyment of the VN after i went into that as a result. It will also lessen your enjoyment of the heaven's feel movie and oh boy will this not work as a pg story, i can tell you that much.

[@lexo5470]

I mean TBF Deen/Stay Night got me into the series all those years ago and you get to listen to that great version of Disillusion

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

At the moment, there is a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route. If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route. Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&

[@daftjoe5652]

This. Made me apply to the Notification Squad. Fate = love. Fate = life.

[@KillTheFuture42]

i started with zero first and watched the other adaptations afterwards. it is odd to me when people say zero can not be enjoyed the right way without knowing all the background, because not knowing who will win, survive or turn psycho was very interessting and made the final act just so much more exciting. if you watch it after sn or ubw this exact excitment is gone for the most part, but you get the ,,prequel feeling" and can see the story in a different light.

[@zipperman6045]

anyone playing fate grand order I honestly love the story

[@glace7738]

i am

[@ethanyen7496]

Nkosilathi Sibanda I rolled Gilgamesh in my first try along with saber

[@theemuqueem863]

Ethan Yen Lucky!

[@ethanyen7496]

The Emu Queem I screamed on the bus when I got it and everyone stared at me lol

[@vsegda723]

Finished what's available and now stuck on farming EXP cards

[@leewenzhao4583]

To be honest thinking about the order of watching vs order of airing, I wonder how is the Heaven's Feel gonna be directed. Fate/zero is created with prior assumption that readers know about Heaven's Feel, while the anime is airing with the direction mindset of Fate/zero come 1st, Heaven's Feel latter. I am going in without the experience of VN, so I'm intrigued either way.

[@bazzy5644]

They will need to change a major plot detail to make it even pg friendly. Its still based off of the VN that was stay/night so it will have to stick to that, its the third route. I dunno how you can assume zero has even anything to do with stay/ night. It has not, its not even based on the same vn. My guess is they will not take it into consideration at all, or if they do will try to use flashbacks to it, maybe? Its a damn clusterfuck.

[@lpfan4491]

@@bazzy5644 because ubw expects you to know zero through some references to it(even tho it literally didnt do shit with them.my hype was wasted )

[@Flood55]

This order actually makes a lot of sense because it is essentially the production order that the shows were made in. You are viewing the series as if you had starting watching the show when it aired originally in 2006 and then progressively watched each new adaptation as it aired over the years. As such, it keeps most references in material that has been covered and keeps spoilers down to a minimum.

[@Mrharryjwood]

Arkada, thank you. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the order for this majestic series. I also want to thank you on a personal level. Your shows helped me reconnect to anime after so many years away. from the art form. Thanks to you I learned to appreciate so many anime series I would normally had dismissed. Also last year I was going through a hell of a year. While I was living in South Africa I discovered your channel and you opened my eyes to many animes I never even heard of or considered. I was wondering if you could possibly cover 2001's Noir? Stay awesome kind sir!!!

[@thatonegirl8077]

Am I the only one who likes stay night better, its mainly because nostalgia.

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

At the moment, there is a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route. If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route. Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&

[@LaineMann]

You're not alone. I thought it was better than Fate/Zero.

[@manuellara9644]

Sheridan Mann he said to watch to Deen/Stay Night first

[@CrusnikVideo]

The correct order of following Fate series : 1. Read the VN 2. Everything else

[@SolidBren]

I AGREE 100%, ARKADA! Great discussion, dude.

[@lostonessoul8435]

As my great great great grandfather would say"To understand a legendary weapon like Excalibur you must go back to the time it was forged."

[@calespapi3620]

I disagree. Fate/Zero spoils so much from fate stay night. The suspense and surprises of stay night are diminished when you've seen Zero. Especially when it comes to plot points concerning Sakura and Kirei. Fate/zero should be viewed last even if that means viewing it after the heaven's feel. As you said Zero is a Greek tragedy and thus is meant to be viewed with knowledge of the events of the of the 5th war. As a person who was never read the VN, even I agree to view stay night in VN order then Zero

[@lpfan4491]

i had enough surprises and suspence in stay night,but i wouldnt have had anything in zero if i watched it last.and i wish for the greek tragedy-appraoch of storys to just die,for example i would have had less attachment to karia even tho i like the guy,because why should i root for something i know will fail? also,if the series isnt supposed to have mystery,then it shouldnt make a mystery.at the beginning,its laid out in a way where you dont know if there even is a good or bad guy and its better for it(for me)

[@tiborklein5349]

I started with Fate/Zero, because at first I didn't like Deen/Stay Night, but after finishing Zero I gave it another shot, and I'm perfectly fine, my experience wasn't ruined.

[@ziggystardust1973]

But won't Zero spoil HF aswell?

[@oniplingz]

Tobias F one of the major points in HF is revealed in a Very strange way on deen's adaptation. the OTHER ONE MAJOR POINT is spoiled, though

[@dude3578]

As someone who has not played the VN and knows nothing of HF but has watched Deen/SN, UBW and Zero i can say for certain i would have never guessed Sakura had as fucked up a personality as she seemed to have.

[@EvangelionFan-ru7ri]

Tobias F It kind of alludes to events in HF. I think it is better that way as otherwise HF comes out of nowhere.

[@darkprinc979]

That's literally the point of a prequel. Just because something takes place first chronologically doesn't make it a prequel. A prequel takes place earlier chronologically, but was written at a later time in order to expand the already existing material.

[@treebush]

yes the grail being corrupted and sakura being some of the more major one imo

[@OtakuChefAD]

A nice alteration to this watching sequence would be to watch the Deen adaptation of UBW, followed by zero, and then Ufotabled UBW. It gives you the crash course that deen supplies, but quickly gets you on to the visually euphoric ufotable adaptations

[@kenzoueno3390]

when video says not to do one thing...and you already did it *suddenly you don't own me starts playing*

[@tiedomi80]

UBW was what got me in to anime. It was on Netflix and it piqued my curiosity. That was about 15 months ago, and anime has basically taken over my life since. The only thing I had watched before that was Evangelion.

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

Just read the VN you casuals.

[@soarel325]

nasucucks begone

[@bazzy5644]

@JourneyML1 I rather have porn and sex in my fiction then "cuddling gives you magic" bullshit. Besides the realta nua edition lets you choose if you even want the h-content enabled. So fuck off and have fun with a completely butchered third route. They will surely not include one of the most crucial plot points regarding sakura in the west. Damn tool.

[@RandomCommenterful]

I would if they would release it.

[@dragon-kun199]

Arcueid Brunestud I am. XD

[@Loyal2law]

Many people don't realize that without the VN, this won't be an anime. It's its origin. Y'all should be thankful that this was made into an anime, because a lot of VNs out there weren't given the privilege to do so. It's like the movies that are based on books; without LOTR, Harry Potter, or Narnia books, you wouldn't have the movie rendition of them, no matter how bad/good they are into sticking to the book plot. True Nasuverse fans of the genre will read and dig deep into the lore. Heck, they'll even watch Kara No Kyoukai and play Tsukihime if they really are into it. And for those who don't have the time, the VN has saves; when you play them and you're about done on a certain part, just save it, no problem, and then play it again when you're free. As for the anime, you'll need to actually have minimum of 25 minutes of free time in order to enjoy watching the entire episode. The VN, a few pages here and there, and before you know it, you already finished the route. Kinda like a book. If, however, you're not able to even play the VN, then search the forums, or videos of Fate, as the foundations are basically flushed out at this point. They even have an entire wiki for almost each Fateverse that you choose. Sure, some will spoil you of certain details, but it's the next best thing you got for knowledge if you want to go deep into the lore/s. I did both when I had my free time/s. 10, 15 minutes? No problem. It all comes down to how much you really want it.

[@MitsukiKazen]

I started with Fate/Zero... And I don't regret it.

[@TheEpicChikidii]

I started with Deen - I regretted it lol It almost made me drop the entire fate franchise. THANK GOD I GAVE ZERO A CHANCE. Best installment in the series and can also be watched as a stand alone

[@bleachhollow14]

i started with fate stay night, i just hated it that i drop the fate series cause i think it was terrible. Then i gave it a second chance by watching fate zero instead of fate stay night and i got hook!

[@bleachhollow14]

Me too! I almost drop the whole series by watching fate stay night then i watch the zero and got hook on the series lol. If i haven't drop the Night to watch Zero i wouldn't have become a fan of the series.

[@cynt4416]

Nope, you re not a "fan of the serires". You are fan of Fate/zero. Posibly fan of the many ancient Greek's tragedy as Fate/zero follow that format. Fate series are completely different.

[@lpfan4491]

the first half of stay night 06 is just boring shmug. if almost dropping the series because of that is not being a fan of fate/,then to hell with the series(just to clarify,i like stay night06,but mostly because of the second half.the first half really is not enjoyable)

[@Al-mn7lr]

Thanks for your video I didn’t know where to start and looking back listening to your advice fate stay night was the best starting point❤️

[@Frooti.loopz23]

Thank you for this I alwyas wanted to watch the series but didn't know where to start

[@shawnwarrynn8609]

There's currently a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route. If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route. Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&

[@AccelBurner]

I played Fate/Grand Order and learn about the Fate/Naruverse along the way from the info and details from the community from reddit so ... I kind of understand the concept rather quickly but yeah I should try the DEEN version someday.

[@bazzy5644]

So /Grand Order has a VN as well? Is it worth bothering with? Cause i am not sure if i should even bother with everything else after Hollow, tbh.

[@ssjokg4952]

But watching Zero before Heaven's Feel it spoils almost all the twists it has. Also, how do you feel about Fate's Sir Tristan?

[@katsugihikari6825]

tristan is a nice man too bad he can see anything

[@bazzy5644]

Of course it fucking will Zero is based on a LN that came out years after the Stay/Night VN did. Everything that is not Fate, UBW, or heaven's feel will defeat the intention the writers of the series had. Zero should be seen as a competently separate thing, if you only watch the anime, or watched after you have played the VN.

[@niceguy1052]

WRRYYYYYD THE VN PLEBS

[@gabrielcaro]

“Do not watch fate zero first”Watched fate zero first before watching this video. Well shit.

[@Amy3422]

Awesome! I watched Deen/Stay first (followed by FZ & UBW) and it was ideal. One has to be pretty committed to track down the VN in English. Props to anyone who manages to play all of it first, prior to seeing any anime version.

[@TheArizztokrat]

what about "Shingetsutan Tsukihime" ?

[@chept3508]

Does not exists

[@TheArizztokrat]

does exist didnt watch it but does i have something to do with the fate saga ?

[@noorandraahimsa7562]

MsMaxi147 knowyourmeme.com/photos/947915-type-moon

[@noorandraahimsa7562]

MsMaxi147 and yes its connected to fate to a certain degree

[@TheArizztokrat]

but do i have to watch it/ is it important or can i just start with Deen/Stay NIght ?