Incoherent Modern JToH Rant

[@walroooos]

look at this nerd yapping away. we already know jtoh sucks so shut your pie-hole! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@RandomEveryday123]

Nah bro you had so many good points, don’t say that.

[@NPC_LEAD]

@@walroooos bro is talking to himself

[@kadeir2_thelegend]

​@@NPC_LEAD Not him, Juke... (If I'm sure)

[@FuzzyStorm23]

edit made, please read. 2020 and 2021 for jtoh was mostly a time where the community was able to grow exponentially due to the pandemic, it was the perfect time killer. it was also a time when the hardest towers beaten weren't even close to the realm of impossibility. now in 2024, the pandemic has been long gone, and the top 5 hardest towers or so are all nearly impossible. it feels like it doesn't matter if you beat a new hardest (likely a cata) because it's basically nothing compared to what has been done now. it really made the magic of tower grinding fizzle out, really what's the point anymore? when i beat togf in early 2021, i was so damn excited. it felt like such a great accomplishment, and it was acknowledged by a lot of people. when i beat toemp about a week ago, i felt nothing. no joy, no excitement, nothing. it might be unfair to compare since togf was a new hardest at the time, this isn't. however, this is still one of my top 5 hardest towers (depending on who you ask, i'd consider it my 7th hardest). even though it's still up there with my hardest towers, it really goes to show how that magic that made grinding towers so much fun is no longer there. as much as it sucks, i really don't think there was any avoiding it. we can't invest as much time into it as we were once able to, new hardests are always going to be getting beaten as long as the community stays alive. the staff teams degrading involvement with the game over the years also greatly impacts the community. we've only had 2 updates this year, and 1 of them was a whitelist dump area. they also shafted events which were things i was always consistently looking forward to. as for bugs, tower rushes have been broken for almost a month at this point and they've done nothing about it. if this were 2020 jtoh, i can almost guarantee this would have gotten fixed the day it happened. how can you expect the community to continue to care about the game when the people who work on it don't seem to anymore? i don't want to discredit the devs at all, i'm very grateful for all they've done, and it's also not completely their faults. it just makes me sad when i think about the state of the game and what it used to be, that the community once so full of life now feels so dead. ok enough yapping, i really wanted to say my piece on it though. Edit: ok so after the document about the mismanagement in jtoh came out, i want to mention something i said in my original post. i said this line "how can you expect the community to continue to care about the game when the people who work on it don't seem to anymore?" which clearly isn't true. the devs always cared about the game, there wasn't a moment they didn't. so please disregard this point.

[@mmnr100]

I remember when every server when ballistic when a cata was beaten, maybe even a terrifying, now barely any servers even say gg when someone beats horrific

[@meskonyolsen6657]

this is what ToEMP looks like. theres no joy, accomplishment, only a *mere badge..*

[@calyxl43]

​@@mmnr100 fr i got like 2 ggs for tovh

[@calyxl43]

i feel like we're still nowhere near the limit lol, tosf will get many victors in the next few years and people will be beating it like its a low horri nowadays

[@Holy_Schnitzel]

@mmnr100 Don’t forget how people said gg to even insane completions back then

[@ChubbyBubbers]

i agree with a lot of what you are saying in the video and what everyone is saying in the comments, but im not gonna lie fellas i think a huge portion of why this game is also kind of "losing its charm" is because we're growing up ik there are a lot of kids right now playing jtoh that are feeling the exact same way that i did all the way back in 2020, and eventually theyre gonna feel the same way we are all starting to feel about the game, and thats gonna happen with a lot of things in your life and youll have to move on eventually

[@somekinnn]

I notice this a lot with my personal experience where like, the new towers look fun, there's so much cool stuff, but ultimately, I feel really little interest in taking the time to sit down and play through them. It's just lost that joy to me and to be fair, it does feel a bit formulaic. Even the big adventures, which I usually love, such as CoHAD, or ToO, or OoHAD in Jtoh XL, while I enjoyed them, I don't want to play any more of them. And there'll always be more, but having always more makes me feel little interest in continuing, somehow. If anything, I think the game may benefit from just like, idk, ending, and then instead of what feels like a constant flow of towers that start to blend together, it can be viewed as a complete game, a complete experience that can be beaten and analysed as a platforming game.

[@TheDeathEagle]

This video is amazing. I agree with pretty much every point made here. During this whole situation I was on the side of Juke, but after seeing how it's being handled by both sides, I'm neutral, because I've realized that there is no good or bad side, both sides are flawed in their own ways. Worst part about this whole thing is how the community becomes more toxic, because they start thinking that everything being said is truthful and form opinions without even understanding the whole situation. It's sad seeing the state of the community and I really expected more maturity from them, that includes Juke and the devs who stepped down. The way the community acts is just so toxic and it gets to you quick, especially in the heat of the moment. I myself at some points started acting toxic and immature, because that's how everybody else acted, so I left the server, because it's just not a good place to be in right now. It's sad seeing what the community has come to and I really wish we were more united, especially during this whole thing. This video really made me realize how bad the community has been getting due to rising standards. The fact that the completion of ToSF wasn't treated as that big of a deal is crazy to me and I'm really happy you pointed this issue out in the video, because it isn't something I had even considered. It's sad seeing how the game has slowly become less about passion since 2022, because JToH has always been and should always be a passion project.

[@Caslu-0321]

I joined around early 2021 when Forgotten Ridge came out, and I remember being hooked to the simplicity of the progression of the game. You beat towers, the more you beat towers, the more areas you unlock, granting you access to more towers that you will be able to beat. It was such a simple yet enticing mechanic that I loved. When I was clueless to the community, I remember seeing so many videos around the Ring 9 hype, and boy OH boy. I would have loved to remain in that era. The amount of discussions and hype that remained even after Ring 9 had released was innumerable. So many people were locked in to Ring 9's release, and this was around the time where people were starting to get more exposed and accustomed to the cata difficulty. And after all that, the Zone 5 hype came out and I remember looking at the towers confirmed for Zone 5. The variety of the towers (you had something like ToBaBT AND ToST/ToGT in the same zone) REALLY excited me a lot for its release. Comparing the Zone 5 hype to modern areas like Zone 8 didn't really help a ton. Zone 7 was the main offender of this. Almost all of the towers felt the same, and it doesn't help that some towers are made by the same people (ToSV and ToWS by taz_k are basically the same thing but reskinned). Honestly, the release hype for this game has become a cycle, and it doesn't help that the rising standards in terms of building and curation made sure that almost all of the towers pander for the standards, but due to the desperation on making the tower good, it just falls under the meta of being a lifeless pandering tower. The innocence of the community around 2020-2021 was awesome to say the least, and everyone was just chilling and grinding. I feel like when Pit of Misery came out, that's when JToH flipped the lever and truly became a competitive grinding game. Horrific was added, and due to the amount of ToVH wins, catastrophic wins started to lose their value. Beating something like ToGF right now wouldn't even grant you a big reaction compared to beating it around early 2021. And that honestly kills the motivation and spark that grinding stupidly hard towers had. Heck, beating a catastrophic right now wouldn't even feel the same as it did around 2021 or 2022. That's how stupidly high the standards have been set in terms of difficulty, especially with ToSF being beaten recently. Not to badmouth any of the top obbyists, but their completions did leave an impact on increasing the gap of sc and sc+ difficulties. TL;DR JToH has become a cycle of release hype and beating something harder until we have reached the limit. Overall, this has resulted to the game being lifeless and repetitive.

[@chairnice8048]

same story bro

[@mmnr100]

I felt like zone 9 had a lot of hype, but yeh I agree

[@Restoralize]

hi caslu

[@andrewgusta8888]

I genuinely hope the game doesn't go, because some people have spent possible YEARS grinding towers and big acomplishments. And if the game goes away so do those challenges too. Also i see people saying "oh theres just fangames too" yeah thats a fan game, i like playing the original or just jtoh in general since it has a LOT of towers n stuff, and just genuinly feels good to beat towers in ANY game.

[@1MythIX]

jtoh has slowly lost its charm over the years. the peak was definitely 2021 for me. But a slow death is better in this case because it's easier to move on when that time comes. I would like to share a lot more but I don't want to spend the effort trying to communicate it all in a coherent way lol

[@idontevenknow3457-z9i]

agreed. as a player from 2018. I think a slow death is the best we can go with in the death of jtoh. gonna miss this game.

[@idontknowlol14]

@@idontevenknow3457-z9i lost brother?

[@walroooos]

well this video is all about incoherence lmao, welcome to the crew

[@TheChocolateMilk2020]

I joined jtoh just a year ago, and climbed my way to extreme in just the span of 5 months after only just beginning the game. It was a fun time, but unironically, terrifying was my roadblock as I couldn’t see myself doing some of the harder jumps on controller lol. I didn’t let that stop me and just enjoyed the less difficult towers, and I found myself happier just beating towers I found fun over grinding out an excessively tricky tower just to feel a higher since of accomplishment for a little while. My dream vision for jtoh would be to keep it a game that can be enjoyed for the gameplay, and not the looks. I actually bought personal servers just so I could run zone 8, and now I can’t even get into zone 9 because of the CRAZY amount of detail. I’d rather it be a small community, with more frequent updates focused on just adding content and stuff instead of trying to lure in new players by making it all flashy. They have far too many whitelisted towers for them to handle if they gotta fix a million bugs and detail the resting place for these towers like craaazzyyy. I honestly hope some really awesome fan game becomes a new “hub” for obby players, since jtoh is getting smoked by so many different things. oops I yapped 👽 also good vid I enjoyedd

[@N0B0DY789-z]

the same happened with me, terrifying destroyed me cuz of excessive fingerlocking (my hardest is current ToEI)

[@TowerofElongatedRuns]

It took me around 4 months just to grind from Tom to ToSP lmao (I unlocked zone 4 and ring 3 before beating it)

[@ananasmatik]

@@N0B0DY789-zI cannot do anything harder after i beat totda in 3 days of grinding

[@BloxyReimu]

To be honest, getting banned from the jtoh discord was the best thing that ever happened to me. I didn't have to experience on the horrors of the community, and I can just focus on myself without feeling terrible about myself, I screamed so much when I beat ToCUP since that is my first cata, it was a 90 fps completion, and I think I'm going to try and beat ToER, I'm trying to beat all floors of a harder version of ToER, Tower of Prolonged Condemnation so I can grind ToER without feeling like garbage. Floor 2 is long and bad, but I think I can do it in the following months. Anyway as an early 2020 player, this game was so peak in the zone 4/zone 9 era, everything was just so fun during that period, the community was thriving, content was peak, still to this day Zone 4 is my favourite area in the game with ring 9 being a close second. It truly paved the way to hardest tower completions moving forward. Now, PoM, and TEA are the only areas I play, I don't feel obligated to play non scs due to them being so boring to play. I feel like once you become a certain skill level, non scs are not fun to play anymore since you feel nothing when you beat them since your hardest is way harder than them. I would have liked to experience all of them, but my time is long gone due to my ever increasing skill.

[@koollewis257]

Yep, lots of vastly skilled players experience that "boring" thing where even remorseless towers doesn't even feel rewarding anymore somehow. Same goes with Geometry Dash (Top Player Zoink, mentioned how even "easy" extremes are just boring to play now). Personally i don't think i will ever experience that feeling, especially since my goal in this game is to atleast beat ToHH and generally have fun, not focus on beating harder and harder towers.

[@SomeRobloxDudeWasTaken]

When I try to join the jtoh server the verification is always quite bugged so im glad i wasnt able to join it lol Also, tbh the difference between jtoh fangame servers and the jtoh server itself is like night and day

[@sketchyishereforidk]

and I hate how I never wanted to play jtoh fangames, and now I want to play them a lot more than jtoh itself…

[@maiabxtchhh]

every point in this video feels correct and i honestly feel as if the game has completely lost its identity over the years great video overall, sad to see the outcome of what potentially could've been the game's best & / or most influential year

[@cementdrip3968]

expectation beyond beating every tower yourself is crazy

[@FuzionBoy]

i mean the creator of tovite did say that the tower doesn't belong in z9

[@walroooos]

lmao that is crazy

[@x24v3v]

this video honestly summed up a lot of my thoughts and feelings i havent put into words

[@fridgedium]

i honestly think that the game will continue to be alive and will get updates, but it will be only a small fraction of what is was, i honestly think this was inevitable, especially with the what the community has became, it was going to happen anyway

[@IcedicStar]

I find it weird how one of the main factors for this downfall is the community's agressive rise in expectations and entitlement for more, and what is more suprising is that Jtoh is not the only victim to this

[@Tac0Bee]

i actually didnt know you had a youtube channel, but im glad its on my recommended i started playing jtoh at maybe start of 2023, i beat some towers beforehand like 3 years ago before i actually started playing but i never truly did get into the game until 2023, i didnt see much wrong with the game, and i was honestly having fun because i was first starting out on obbies eventually i joined the discord server and thats when i realized the jtoh community is truly really toxic, and once you go down into the rabbithole of the obby community theres a lot more you wouldn't see just by playing the game ive had my share of drama revolving around the obby community but it really has made me realize jtoh is dying out very quickly, despite zone 9 release there wasnt that much hype after maybe even 2 hours of playing it i dont really know how to expect jtoh to come back in a better shape after what happened, but i dont expect the game to be deleted considering it is still decently popular

[@ingrainmaker]

This is why Tower World COULD revive this community, I completely agree with the comments that the aftermath of the pandemic caused the decline of the JToH community. The devs are doing not much as they would in 2020 - 2021, the community is getting more and more horrible, how could you treat Block completing and verifying ToSF with a grain of sand? The hardest tower of PoM FINALLY conquered and some people couldn’t even muster any sort of congratulations or enthusiasm towards it. It proves how much grinding towers and creating towers are SO demotivating at times and proves the high expectations of the community. If you don’t even CARE about the completion of ToSF, beat it yourself. And some of you may be like ‘tHEn YoU sHoULd bEaT iT yOUrsElf’, but that further proves MY point. Chances are, I can’t. And YOU can’t. This person spent months grinding this tower which I couldn’t even be bothered to even if I had the skill to. Tower World is such a cool twist to the standard tower format. You are combining FE2 and other platformer games with towers to make a new and fresh concept. The design and visuals are genuinely off the charts, and I hope the best for that game to be JToH’s successor if JToH’s development stops. That doesn’t mean I am not supporting the devs, I also wish the best for the future of JToH and its development, because I HATE it when a game is left unfinished, it really wants me to find out what is the end. This is MY opinion on this situation regarding the slow and steady decline of JToH, I know the community will still thrive, but if the game itself stops being updated frequently, the community will decline as well. HUGE congrats to Block for beating ToSF, and I wish the best for everyone, the devs of Tower World, JToH, and most importantly, the community. Also yes, I ordered a yappachino, thank you very much.

[@Moon0Cya]

7:36 The only interesting things we got this year was zone 9 and ashen towerworks (ngl I forgot atw even existed until now)

[@walroooos]

wasn't necessarily referring to the updates that came out in 2024, but rather how the tone of the community has shifted drastically

[@hamster2106]

im down for jtoh deletion 2024 tbh. like not an actual deletion but id be happy with things if it just ended where its at, cause im not really excited about the future of jtoh with the way everything has been handled for the last few years. im not talking about the trivial stuff like towers being too modern, but all the half baked area releases, tens of completely scrapped and cancelled releases, and god awful handling of any sort of drama. the jtoh team is not responsible or mature enough to handle the game imo at this point i just want a new big, popular, centralized obby game with fresh concepts and new ideas because jtoh has been the sole obby experience for far too long at this point. the only thing close to jtoh is tiered obbies, which dont have any sort of "hub" games like jtoh where the top quality ones are put into one easy access game with standards and care put into it. if someone could just make a new type of obby game that branches away from towers but keeps the themes of boundary pushing platforming and insane achievements they would be like the coolest person ever please someone do it please

[@askewery]

4:11 painfully agree. the gap in inventiveness/creativity in towers are clearly visible when you compare two areas like ring 8 to zone 7 (even though i joined during zone 5’s release). the building meta that plagues so many towers nowadays makes me wanna cry and they don’t feel expressive at all

[@askewery]

and whenever you express how you honestly feel about a tower everybody loves but you hate, everyone and their mom will curb stomp you and say “ragebait” the exact same way a conservative man would say the word “woke”

[@Violight9]

people seem to like all the typical modern towers for ""creativity"" yet towers that are garbage in today's standards were much more expressive in my opinion (like for example; Total)

[@Violight9]

I meant ToTL

[@Violight9]

the new towers feel soulless. it really feels like somebody was trying solely to make a ""good"" tower instead of actually putting passion into it.

[@improbablyfur]

@@Violight9 totl feels soulless to me tbh, is jus a bunch of wraps (imo) but I classic tower i do like is toie

[@captheobbyist6434]

6:06 when kaan beat ToGF, there was so much more hype and people were actually atonished. now people kinda just got used to it? i dont know what happened. if you show a person from 2020 the legit ToSF completion, they wouldnt belive you. at that time, even horiffic was considered borderline humanly possible. when i saw ToSF, for some reason, i barely got any reaction. probably because of how these hard towers started to look easier? after seeing borderline possible towers beind cracked months after months i started lowering my expectations, it reached a point of "just give these guys a few months and they will beat the hardest tower ever". i was anticipated in only 2 releases: paradise atoll and zone 5. it's probably because they released when i was actively playing jtoh. then somewhere in 2023 or 2024, i got bored of it. the next zones were releasing, and i didnt care about it at all. zone 6 was my likely last atleast somewhat anticipated release. i didnt try the new areas so idk how good towers there are, but i also get a similar feeling that standarts are going way too high. it's also pretty funny that the text at the end of ToSF was actually replaced by jtoh staff when adding it to the game with "I LOVE JTOH!!". then it was replaced back to the original, but they made it more silly, and it lost most of its meaning. did they do it on purpose to hide the fact that the game is dying? or they just did it as a joke? idk i think a large factor in this is also growing up, how ChubbyBubbers mentioned in his comment. my taste in videogames have definitely changed over just a span of 5 years, roblox obbying barely even interests me now, or just roblox overall.

[@Taxes01]

the sentiment being told at the end of tosf could not be more symbolic of jtohs current "fate"

[@SpecialK05_GeometryDash]

You gotta take in the Halloween events too. E-13 said he would return in 2024 yet he never did. I am actually disappointed that the story never finished. I mean, I managed to finish a story of my own a couple of months ago, and to see the E-13 storyline never finish when intended just bugs me. I had played through all the Halloween events again in case HE2024 did release someday but now it doesn't seem to be the case.

[@greenat13]

even though i only really entered the community in 2020 after beating my first tower in 2019, the community was always so scary to take into consideration. i always thought the community was so nice, but it eventually grew more and more toxic after expectations were changed. it's honestly such a shame that so many people are shadowed because of the fact that their accomplishment isn't "good enough" or satisfying because of the push for harder towers on the list. i hope that one day the jtoh community could bounce back from the constant judgment of literally any tower or accomplishment that anyone makes. i'm not saying that i'm any better, but i wish that more elite obbyists and players realize that we're going down the wrong path.

[@skorpymeow699]

Now a day i usually just play jtoh fangames

[@e_mich]

it went downhill when candyman quit honestly

[@GorillaFan_32]

TRUE (also when iialert left)

[@-fv]

Get this man a True...

[@healthychannel9323]

Tbh juke trying to make this into a rpg game really sucks for the people who had beaten hard towers/scs

[@maurofast1]

1:54 "big boy pants" that's a perfect phrase lmaoooo

[@kkaitoo]

i discovered jtoh in january of this year, and i got very hyped about hard tower completions, but seeing this happening is very tragic. I wish i knew jtoh before, to play in its peak of the game, now opening this game is just sad :/

[@Broken_Chair_Real]

man i JUST joined this community 😭

[@dexzoro]

first mistake

[@NPC_LEAD]

I joined few months ago, big mistake ik

[@gamingwithlukeJToH]

i joined like a year and a half ago, i at least experienced a little bit of this community...

[@a_agadir3964]

Youre super unlucky, if you joined like 3 years ago you wouldve had the TIME OF YOUR LIFE

[@walroooos]

bro missed everything 😭

[@drawbook100]

Yeah I agree with this video and the comments as someone who has played tower obby games since ktoh. I thought the community is slowly going downhill since i had started to lose interest in the game in around late 2021 to early 2022. I didn't know it's this bad until recently with videos like this popping up. I have a dream of mine to make my own tower for it to be added to the game, but with standards constantly rising up and of course losing interest with the game (and probably even roblox itself), i doubt it will ever happen.

[@cyanidechryst]

i feel like the main issue is that it's way too expected to be boundary-pushing nowadays, like design and creativity over fun gp

[@Its-pronounced-ay-zaer-e]

god DAMN it looks like a lot has changed ever since i took a year long hiatus off jtoh

[@The_Deep_Blue]

ive lived under a rock when it comes to jtoh, so it really pains me seeing that its very possible that jtohs future is uncertain. at the very least, fangames will be able to carry the torch

[@wtrisT]

2020-22 jtoh was undoubtedly peak. I've only experienced a fraction of that era but i know for a fact that everything that came later on is just stale. When i see towers on the whitelist nowadays and play them, it doesnt feel like anything unique. All of them with gimmicky gameplay and overall just trying to hard to stand out and be "wacky". With the 10 hardest towers being on the edge of impossibility, other, easier towers get overly overshadowed by the monumental achievements that is the unreal towers. 2 years after starting the game i finally beat my first extreme and with toif, my 100th tower. After that everything felt like nothing. Doing these towers only feel like fueling my own rage and taking it out on my stuff. The charm that earlier towers used to have, giving me joy after beating it is extinguished completely with the overly modern, gimmicky towers that people pour too many hours on just to get into that sweet sweet whitelist. Grinding this game only have stressed me out and sucked all the life out of me which is detrimental to my mental health considering i have much more responsibilites now. Enough yapping, im just planning to beat the nerfed version of tosf in ATS to end my run for good, gl

[@ConfirmedZer0]

It feels a little like the Avernus drama in GD all over again.

[@FinleyRichardson-tk7cv]

There is still hope the baseplate project still exists

[@walroooos]

lmao true

[@connergalles7106]

I played Em's dif chart and Rob's and way more. Im not infatuated by JTOH but I do like random towers and tower games that I have seen. I've been trying to get better skill for a while and after a year or two of PDCO's (mainly glitch obbies first) and stuff yea its helped me. I just started caring about wallhopping again and I'm even better than before. Only reason im not burnt out or induced in group chats is cause I dont care and just look at old obbies to play them again and get to a better understanding and skill level.

[@Idk-d4e5c]

This situation is fake and jtoh wont get deleted so everyone chill

[@Nebulayyds]

top 10 people that did Not watch the video NUMBER 1...

[@walroooos]

its just a joke guys chill your pants!!!!

[@handlesbelike]

​@@Nebulayyds Number 2

[@jessetroller-yx8zd]

My brother plays Jtoh, and all he sees is just a sort of ghost town with the only people playing mainly being the Ring 1 noobs. He got confused on modern towers for their puzzles stories, and custom client objects (which is why he hasn't beaten a single Silent Abbys tower), and he isn't into the Spatial System as much as The Great Inferno as a result. At least there are a few more towers he wants to grind (for example, ToOOO and ToTS), but he isn't interested in any other easier towers that would help him unlock later areas. What a shame for the burnout to happen, as who knows, my brother may quit.

[@eightbitfeline1415]

thank you alot for calling out toxic cancel culture and overall targeting problem in jtoh community

[@eightbitfeline1415]

and server high-ups not properly informing and discouraging general public from unsavory behaviors about shenanigans and dramas they get into, too

[@TrollingYourFriendDepot]

I just realized, where tf is the halloween update

[@walroooos]

gone. burned to ashes. womp womp.

[@TrollingYourFriendDepot]

@@walroooos NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Harmoky96]

i started playing when ring 9 released and man i remember unlocking new rings and grinding for that last tower point to descend down into the great inferno was my biggest joy, not ever worrying about a new hardest as much and every tower was unique and some way. even some of the garbage ring 2 towers were entire new worlds of obbies for every tower to play. there was no decoration or anything but i kinda see it the same as geometry dash now. everything has to be absolutely amazing now for it to get into the game. i miss when stupid no decoration classic towers were the best towers to play, everything is up to such a higher standard now. i still havent beaten anything above an insane because thats not what i find fun in the game, it was the joy of unlocking new worlds and continuing with the game, but i just dont feel that way anymore. once i unlocked ring 9 thats when my joy of unlocking new areas faded. the zones are so much more grindy and this is when i started to have a standard for towers because of what the community has done. as the towers expand and get more modern and copied and pasted and gimmicky, it loses all of its love. i dont even have zone 9 unlocked because i just dont want to play the new boring towers anymore. its just not as fun as it was in 2021.

[@many1671]

The game is just so dead now I still remember till this day when beating an insane was considered an insane achievement and now that I’ve beaten a couple of catas I do not feel that anymore. The devs also became lazier the farther we got into the years making the game a dead zone where you can only play where you are extremely bored and the devs have almost no passion anymore due to the pure fact of just not having the charm they used to have. I still play occasionally but now I don’t play as much as I used to due to these reasons. I’m done yapping lmao

[@RandomEveryday123]

Sees last video from “6 years ago”

[@thomasdixon6476]

Jtoh dark age 😔😔 hopefully one day the community will be fixed

[@walroooos]

eh i doubt it, but yeah lets stay hopeful

[@nitroglycerin6633]

what if the jtoh rating system was just based solely on enjoyment? No extra points for design or structured gameplay. I doubt it would work but it just sounds a lot more honest and clear, and could let unqiue towers with their own styles shine through.

[@walroooos]

omg real!

[@mouseinyohouse]

back to super fun obby

[@DraconianError]

That's karma for banning me in JToH 🤷‍♂

[@AkaObbies]

*Random thoughts on jtoh rn and obbies:* i like atos more cuz like all the towers have their quirks. cscd is good because it appeals to the hardcore players of the community allowing towers with gameplay that jtoh avoids for whatever reason jtoh picks high quality towers, but it is also important that the towers are different from each other. also area releases take so much longer than they used to which just gives us time to forget about the game. also the staff is definitely f**ked lol and the people who left because of the games direction are probably correct because man jtoh has been on a constant decline for long term players. idk about the other towers mentioned but tovite has a lot of mechanics, themes and atmosphere that are different to zachs other towers. i guess its the general feel (or purism) that makes it feel bad? the problem is that idk how you really are gonna prove that and also im probably biased because i like zachs towers. the point is that it does a lot different to his other towers. i guess the things that are the same feel the most significant in how it 'feels'. maybe it is the problem with how builders stick with a few tropes that are JARRINGLY noticable in all their towers, and they dont switch things up. that actually is something i get. i mean zach uses flips all the time, the same types of wraparounds and structuring - wait i cant think of anything else. i guess the purism and structures are a big part of it as well as a specific co huh. must be some sort of bias idk. do you ever think that maybe, even if only very slightly, we're all just sick and tired of obbies at this point? i think this applies to some people who side with jtoh dying out, not for you though imo. anyways the biggest things are probably the fact that there are rules that restrict the creativity of builders and make verified builders have an objective advantage in making better towers and therefore filling areas with similar feeling gameplay. no ccos and wacky frames, and for what reason? sure, you may have a few people putting 20 ccos in a tower and it being unfun, but they can learn from that. also frames are barely even tower frames anymore so who even cares?? jtoh might have also fallen off because what is the need to stick to have a tower frame? i mean it limits the creativity and its why people spam outsides. it would be nice if there was a game that allowed for all types of obbies. i would hope world 3 would do something else but its too late since there are 2 worlds with tower frame obbies now. also the stud material is getting boring too. it would be jarring to have an area with plastic towers and towers with mostly different materials, but at this point, if I had to pick, i would choose the different materials. i feel like that would allow for towers to feel way different from each other, and with how much people have pushed the plastic stud design, i think tower builders could learn how to design with many materials. I mean, fe2 cm maps started off rough, but look at them now. why does all of this matter, you ask? Fun. The 'quality' of towers can go to the trash because the end of the damn day all that matters is if people can have a good overall experience. We are getting bored of the same s**t over and over again, so maybe we need a change of pace. JToH and its tropes have gotten old, which is clear when you realise towers do try to do things differently, but it just isnt enough. The aforementioned restrictions i have stated obviously play into this, so i feel like we need to move on from jtoh and into a new era of obbies. Heck, now i feel like making a prototype game with obbies without ANY nonsensical restrictions. An area should probably follow a theme I guess and the mechanics should be introduced slowly for new players so there isnt horrible progression (game design). Man, this reminds me of a certain game.... (tower world) Though, that game (tower world) does have a pretty limiting design choice, it ticks off all the other boxes.

[@logman7150]

They have new trial devs now

[@vescena]

JTOH try not to host the incomprehensibly worst and most immature community Modern tower makers try not to make "uniqueness" > gameplay and cover up the artificial gameplay with good music There's an increasingly prominent culture of conforming modern tower style to this one arbitrary and artifical style where COs are maximized and whatnot. This doesn't even account for the fact that JTOH--which used to test genuine skill at obbies--is testing how well you can sightread COs. Towers now are becoming increasingly unsightreadable and annoying, which is why I haven't played them for a while. Once you start beating horrifics and stuff you realize how grindy and repetitive towers are. In return, people try to expand the concept of "towers" until it's unrecognizable and weird.

[@qulohh]

to me jtoh has been dead for a while, i mean the last release i was ever bothered to play / grind was zone 6 . something like this was just bound to happen eventually

[@Luukster123]

I don’t know you, you don’t know me, but it seems we have similar standpoints. i myself have only been in this community for one year and i started playing it cuz i was bored of gd at the time and now I’m bored of this game aswell jtoh has managed to prove itself to be spiraling out of control over time and it’s honestly sad it feels like every day this game devolves and devolves and it’s going to be too much at one point even though I am a newgen in this game I still wish I saw jtoh the same as I did a year ago and I wish the game stayed that way so yeah I miss when jtoh was fun basically

[@praisethesun7106]

Started playing jtoh in 2020 and it just felt so different to any other game yet it was still so simple and fun and to see how the community and game has turned out is just sad. I really thought that zone 9 would rekindle the spark to play jtoh again but playing 1 tower more felt like a chore to do trying to force myself to enjoy a game i have lost interest in long time ago. Man do i wish things could have been different but all good things come to a end I guess.

[@verticalhamburger9517]

I really don't like Juke as a game owner. The only reason this game wasn't completely messed up earlier was because she takes forever to do anything. All of the money this game's made, to an owner who can't do the bare minimum of communicating with her staff team. Wouldn't be sad to see the game die out. I haven't enjoyed a tower in years

[@EmilioVargas-ye3er]

how do you have “creative differences” with basically your whole team?

[@iamzhenn7021]

JToH Deletion 2024 moment

[@3psical]

The first three towers you mentioned are the three towers i gave the lowest scores in Z9 and all for the very reason you stated here 4:33

[@3psical]

thought my respect for zach kinda went up because at least he acknowledges the issue in ToVITE. he kinda shows how he tries to make towers for fun rather than just to make something whitelisted.

[@blockygamez9389]

I'll never understand your point of view. I've been playing this game on and off since june 2019 and I love the recent areas more than anything that came prior. It might be bc I don't force myself to continue a grind if I'm not having fun and I've taken a few long hiatuses to avoid burning out or maybe it's just because I'm easy to please (example: I enjoy playing easy towers and I don't think tower of confusion is bad).

[@walroooos]

honestly, good for you. if u enjoy it dont let other ppl bring it down.

[@blockygamez9389]

@@walroooos 🤝

[@3psical]

If the life is taken out of something, it's dead.

[@xLeo200x]

cscd also fell apart after caleb defended a pedo 😭 its gg for tower games, it was fun while it lasted

[@walroooos]

caleb did not defend a pedo, that ss was taken out of context. literally one of the issues i stated in the video is how ppl believe things so easily.

[@xLeo200x]

@@walroooos i was literally there

[@maurofast1]

Corporeal Ascension coming back? Lol

[@LeiteDosSantosKaka]

You're my idol from 2 years ago

[@kayrawest-10101]

im you're 800th sub

[@walroooos]

enjoy waiting 8 months for my next upload

[@Icedemized]

I like the game itself. Don’t get me wrong. But I don’t really associate with the community in the JToH - mainly Ademiere’s server but that’s it lol to sum up - associate yourself with the good people. Don’t be a jerk and be a nuisance to others. :-D

[@diazzzz_jj]

4:34 the creator himself said in the towers description it was a lazy and bad tower

[@patch7151]

holy shit a conscious jtoh player

[@walroooos]

LMAO

[@jigglefarium_luhsnack]

you're very well spoken :)

[@nousahswag]

Who are you? I. AM walroooos

[@Ortir]

joined jtoh late 2023 😭🙏

[@MistakennJ]

jtoh xl thrives once again

[@Dropping763]

i joined early 2020 and it was one of my favorite games back then its all i would play i mean i still play it now and rebeat towers on alt accounts but there will never be another moment like seeing ring 9 drop or playing ring 8 for the first time each new area just feels like the same thing as the last but more design and more annoying ccos it feels like its almost impossible to get into building now the standards are just inhumanly high and it just makes new builders quit instantly fast i think around 2023 to now is when the game really started to come crashing down its really just not fun anything the only time i have fun playing jtoh is when im replaying the rings it feels like in the zones every area is just full of mind numbingly boring towers with "cool and fun gameplay mechanics!' but in reality theyre all the same but slightly changed theres really only ever one tower in each new area that actually gives me like happiness for zone 9 that was obviously nothing new but yeah i mean i feel like over the years this game has just became more and more lame theres more and more controversy and not to be rude but the community is legit just people begging for attention or annoying 12 year olds and the community only gets worse and worse throughout the years anyway my opinion on the whole dev thing is i think juke should put the standards as high as she wants its her game its not like the dev arent getting paid if anything for a small game like this theyre getting paid a lot like if youre a dev and you dont expect there to be a high bar for building a video game then you are just an idiot every single game company sets the bar extremely high and i dont think jtoh should lower the bar just cus its a roblox game overall though my opinion is juke can do whatever she wants its her game and if the devs dont like it well that sucks man head out the door thats just my opinion though

[@t4nst]

beautiful video 10/10

[@walroooos]

@@t4nst HOLY SHIT ITS TANST WHATS UP PRETTY BOY

[@sylvike8191]

whats all these about exactly help

[@theexistingoctober]

If you dont have motivation to make JToH content, you could always try other games

[@FromOcean]

remainings

[@H6RX]

aint no way juke is getting tired of his own game

[@pigosososososos]

#jtohdeletion2024 #atosrise2024

[@music.broomstick]

JToH 2024 Deletion moment

[@christiand99]

why did this have to happen 😔

[@GorillaFan_32]

oh well. good thing i left before this 😔

[@waterinacube]

im only mad at this game because i can't get a new hardest lol

[@12D362]

As an old JToH player (early 2021) I think it's really sad how the game is going rn. I mean I joined at a time when standards were low, which was the best era for JToH i'd say. My reasons are : no overdecorated trash (todie towww), no complex af client objects (*insert zone 9 tower*), and most of all, the community was worse at obbies which made doing anything way more fun, knowing you'd be one of the only ones to do it, now catas aren't even considered hard and THAT is why the game is dying so fast. Anyways great vid :)

[@meskonyolsen6657]

Jukes in 2024 be like (most accurate story ever!!) : Those new players : *i hate CoLS! i hate ToTS! first jump! i hate ToIE! disliked!* Jukerise : i should force to teach kids how to beat baby towers first, before ring 1.. we'll call it PURGATORIO! Devs : ok. New Players : weeehhhh!! wehhhhh!!! i want a ZONE 9 but im STUCK AT zone 1!! Jukerise : it looks like alot of babies wanted to see Zone 4-9 for first time.. but he couldn't he too suck? HEY DEVS! ADD THE ZONE 1 BRANCHING AREA!! Devs : Dude.. Jukerise : these old Ring obby ugly as *FUKK!* i should REVAMP it to ZONE 7-9 STYLE!! Devs : this is outrageous! Jukerise : *"You dare to oppose me orders..?"* Devs : look, just focus on purgatorio FIRS- Jukerise : (takes 1 million funds like they're rugpulling for real) you're all GUINEA PIGS! who aint even understand my orfers! i HATE YOU!!! Devs : hope your game is dead, i'm resigning!

[@RaduG-k5s]

“Pedro.exe: l here HAHAHAHA” ahh fanfic 😭😭😭😭

[@mmnr100]

I think the staff team were happy with zone 1B and purgatorio

[@reinfall]

you thought you ate with this one

[@rav._.]

HELP PEDRO EXE I- pedro.exe: i here HAHAHA

[@maiabxtchhh]

@@reinfall gagged them

[@idontknowlol14]

him

[@urikkulikov9860]

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