Incoming PULL DROUGHT?! Expected Pull Income in Wuthering Waves Patch 1.1

knowing kuro games translators, we'll probably get at least a 10-pull in apologems next patch LOL
s/o palito for the calcs:
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Income Spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
might as well follow me on twitter too:
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[@Nunazac]

People are only worried about a "pull drought" because its a new, hyped game and everyone is spending everything right away. Unless you pay for pulls, F2P always has to be cautious and frugal with the pull currencies since there is a limited amount of content to earn it from. It will all balance out in the long run

[@rasu02]

yup

[@kuezar]

@FangOfLight That's why you pull for style, not for meta. 😎

[@xymexymers1463]

Yeah I get it but the thing is WUWA was hyped as a god amongst gacha games, but turned out to be just a bit better regarding rewards.

[@whatamidoinghere4216]

​@FangOfLightexactly why I'm only pulling for supports since they almost always stay relevant at least 6 or more patches later and may even more considering this kuro who what a physical tank be undefeated in her role up until recently

[@kuezar]

@@xymexymers1463 We just wanted a game with endgame (that is, difficult content that has an element of mastery) and devs that listen - so far we've pretty much gotten both, for now at least. As long as a certain herb picking, part of the gacha community playing WuWa does not go crazy over feedback and valid criticism, claiming these to be unnecessary or hateful AND Kuro - regardless of their future income - keeps on listening to players that actually want better for the game, we're good. 😏

[@Selv536]

Kurogame is already way more generous than genshin hoyoverse. Dont know why some just complain about not enough rewards. Being f2p dont mean u can get all the 5 star on a gacha game unless ur lucky.

[@Iluvatar196]

Yeah man, the game has been out for barely 1 month and most of us should already have about 3 5*.. Doesnt anyone remember how long did they get their THIRD 5* in Genshin?

[@muszy281]

​@@Iluvatar196i have remember, its exactly 4 months because of husbando banners which i dont like tho. I win every 50/50 thats my flex 😅

[@JuanSuarez-ee9mh]

PGR, the other kuro's game is a game where as f2p you can actually get every 5* released

[@placeholder7753]

@@Iluvatar196 thats because genshin is really really toxic in terms of their rates. in other gachas like arknights, you can start off easily with a couple of 6 stars (equivalent to 5 star limiteds) in power and they still earn lots of money... arknights allows u to farm multiple pulls every week and u get like a handfull of pulls daily from rando stuff + events give u good amounts of pulls too, u could pull for every other banner somewhat decently as a f2p and some could get multipl;e in a row without no lifing the game

[@djinsh626]

​@@Iluvatar196can confirm, already got 6 5* in total (including the weapons) without even spending money. Jiyan and his weapon, Calcharo, Verina, Jianxin, and the 5* standard katana (I got all of that within 2 weeks of playing). Whereas in Genshin, I only got 4 5* on 1.1 even though I've been playing since release.

[@offlinegam3r]

"pull drought" is nothing worth talking about same f2p drama every other gotcha games BUT echo upgrade mats in the other hand ...is a whole different story

[@RanRan_11]

True. The moment pulls become scarce, f2ps suddenly start crying about not being able to feed their gambling addiction. The best part is when they start comparing the rewards to some low effort PNG game where they give hundreds of pulls every month, it really shows why those guys are playing gacha games.

[@kanishakdas5221]

​@@RanRan_11lol I never thought that PGR is a low effort PNG game.

[@zenixvampirchik652]

@@RanRan_11 and isn't by calculations pulls are somewhere around between* hsr and genshin per patch so far (1.0 base without all of the compensations and 1.1) it's just that there's is no ascension standard pulls, but slightly morea asterite

[@SolaireOfToast]

@@kanishakdas5221 It is a low effort. Like have you played the game? The level design is SO disgusting bad. This game feels like it was made in 2010, aside for the combat.

[@sebastian9777]

​@@SolaireOfToastEven combat feels bad because the story is 90% talking and 10% oneshotting weak mobs in 5 secs

[@TriEdge-f3i]

If they want to be a f2p player, they better just wait on the half/anniversary in where we get 5 star selector and probably also a 5star weapon. F2P players need to know that they can't compete with p2w players. When it comes to collection.

[@EnvyIXA]

Basically. Nobody's is forcing then to spend or not to spend but let's be honest. If you play a gacha game expect to not get lucky every single limited banner . Or use your funds and actually plan ahead 😂 I'm f2p but when it comes down to it buy monthly and battle pass. But I also know what until I want . And not just going to be pulling on every single limited banner because of "tier list" and how Meta they are. 😂

[@dslrjm7691]

Games before genshin actually give u a lot of but because of this mentality of some people "that's enough" gacha is now what it is. P2w for more power and better ranking up characters and f2p for get u a guaranty atleast every patch it's how was before.

[@EnvyIXA]

@dslrjm7691 agreed they let genshin control them lol and due to that every game (most games) just figured they can get away with it also 😆 like they were too busy seeing genshing for the moment not thinking about the future/currently

[@TriEdge-f3i]

@@dslrjm7691 yeah when I played Genshin 1.0 i straight up uninstall and went back to King's Raid.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

f2p here pulled jiyan , his sig weap, and also S6 mortefi and S2 danjin, others are bitcging about nothing i already clear TOA 21 stars on hazard mode

[@Byakuya468]

after getting Yinlin her weapon, I'll probably won't be pulling for some time. Calcharo is cool and Verina is already in. Edit: didn't manage to get her weapon, but waited for Jinhsi weapon for Calcharo. Just 1 pull 😊(72 pity roll over from Yinlin's weapon banner)

[@namumulaklak]

I also pulled Yinlin and her weapon. I probably won’t pull until the 1.2

[@zerulaw9118]

@@namumulaklakyeah me too…after I got her weapon jinshi and changli basically out of grasp for me

[@Pihox]

I got jiyan and his weapon, now 50 pity for yinlin, will get her if I completely explore the map, so after that will be saving for next 2 major patches.

[@Suc-Chii]

​@@Pihox and if you lose then that means guaranteed jinshi, well that's a no lose strat bud

[@M-hl2qs]

lol its become genshin patern when come to pull rotation .. if u pull current banner next banner or next 2 banner willl skip because no resource ( for f2p )

[@Ghoosty_]

Everything is fine the only thing I don't like about WuWa is the waveplate costs. Everything costs 60 or 40 waveplates and it's a pain.

[@saintnotasaint4998]

They will be changing it soon, people have told them that it is a bit unfair and they posted about balancing it. It will come with the next patch apparently

[@bambinyata]

​@@saintnotasaint4998 what they change is the drop rate not waveplate usage

[@laiybanez]

REAL😭😭😭

[@Jade.051]

@@saintnotasaint4998Yeah they either upgrade the rewards or lower the waveplates cost, because it’s not worth it at the moment

[@crownjun5930]

@@saintnotasaint4998 and where is the official posts on that?? i don't see anywhere nor anyone mentioning at all. stop spreading copium rumors

[@jaguh9069]

Pull drought will inevitably comes for every gacha games lol If you're F2P, never ever expects that you can pull for every limited character and/or their weapons. Honestly 90+ pull every patch is normal. You can get at least 1 5* every patch whether you win 50/50 or not and if you really want to guarantee 1 copy of limited 5* you'd have to skip 1 whole patch. Its the same thing with Genshin & HSR, once you've done everything, you get around 80-90 pulls per patch and there its 90 pity 😅 The great thing in Wuwa is you can guarantee the weapon, so if you skip 1 patch (180 pulls), then win 50/50 next patch, you're guaranteed their weapon if you choose to get them.

[@dslrjm7691]

And what about dry patch . And also if u guys stop saying "that's enough" Kuro will 100% listen. And the whole reason f2p came to kuro from max out genshin account is to get a much much better treatment. We got treated like shit why u against when u guys can be treated like a king.

[@jaguh9069]

@@dslrjm7691 Its very early to say if a dry patch will comes tho. So far 1.1 will have new maps so we can only know with time. I not asking Kuro to stop giving stuff, but keep your expectation in check as kuro's 'generosity' is bug compensations so you can't expect free 10 pulls every patch like hsr. It's fundamentally different thing. But it's nice if they just adopt it.

[@dslrjm7691]

@@jaguh9069 wtf u get free 10 pulls every patch in hsr. Actually pgr was still more generous but if they want to end competition they should give more. Cause zzz is coming if they gave same treatment as hsr a huge chunk will go to zzz. F2p players love free thing's. And f2p players are the reason p2w invest money no one will invest money in a dead game

[@OMPSaintTO]

@@dslrjm7691 Bud, you're getting a guanteed 5 star plus 12 pulls........ PER PATCH, f2ps simply increase the game's numbers and make it more popular, the game being good and enjoyable is why the whales spend money on the game... f2p generates no active profit to the game, there's a limit to how much kuro can give away to make the f2ps that just talk and yap but don't actually give them anything monetarily happy, this is more than basically every single gacha game that is on the market right now. You're compaing HSR giving 10 free pulls when WUWA is literally giving u minimum 50 if u literally just clear some story and do one event. There's a limit to getting 'treated better' because of ur past trauma with a game which is your own fault for playing it and asking for compensation on mistakes the company makes. Kuro has addressed all their mistakes in patch 1.0 to the best of their ability besides the audio and compensated us I think plenty for it, crybabies who only think to complain because they're not getting everything they want are what's going to not only run this community toxic, but also run this game to the ground.

[@dslrjm7691]

@@OMPSaintTO bro do u even played wuwa kuro giving 50 pull minimum in a single event. Bruh the f. Also if I will get atleast a granted character I won't be saying anything. 1.1 u will be getting 92 pulls u need 140 if u hit hard pity. So I think u should get ur facts check and no game will give u 50 pull from a single event more than once and that one is actually when game will launch.

[@kuezar]

0:41 I think that's a bit of a stretch - considering that a bad thing that is. First of, what are we comparing to? Genshin? HSR? In Genshin, yes, the Stardust Exchange resets every 30 days (Stardust Exchange=Oscillated Coral shop), but it gives you 5 limited pulls and 5 standard pulls. Oscillated Coral shop resets every 42 days, but it gives you 6 limited character pulls, 6 standard pulls AND 6 limited weapon pulls, the last of which has an increased value as it has a guarantee, so each pull is actually - in a way - more valuable. Another thing is, that in Genshin, those pulls cost 75 units of Masterless Stardust (Masterless Stardust=Oscillated Coral) whereas the ones in WuWa cost 70 Oscillated Coral each. If we were to compare the value in numbers: Genshin: 5 limited + 5 standard = 10 / 30 days = 0.(3) "pulls/day" in comparison to WuWa: 6+6 limited + 6 standard= 18 / 42 = 0.43 "pulls/day" (43% increase) If we only compare the limited pulls it's: 0.16 to 0.29 respectively (81% increase) or 0.16 to 0.14 respectively (14% decrease if we don't count in the limited weapon pulls in WuWa) ["pulls/day"] What no one talks about is actually being able to buy these out, which if someone is saving (thus doesn't pull, thus doesn't get the corresponding currency) they might not be able to do so, in which case, the stretched time of the reset might help with (less resets=more time to save and pull=getting the currency=good). I haven't made calcs for sustainability of buying these pulls from the shop each reset, but I totally found myself having to skip the standard pulls in order to not lose out on the limited one, back in a day. 😅 EDIT: Concerning the sustainability of buying pulls with Oscillated Coral, the math is kind of simple: Knowing that we need 840 for character and weapon limited pulls or 1260 for the aforementioned AND standard pulls, we need to spend around 62 pulls and 93 pulls respectively each reset to make sure, we have enough Oscillated Coral. (i.e.: if 135oc on average from each 10 pull: (840/135)*10=62.(2) pulls) EDIT2: Aaand from version 1.1 it's not 6 pulls each - it's 7 now, so... No further comment needed. Das it... Not sorry for 🤓ing 🤣

[@mcbx3d]

Yeah I was thing that way too, I didn't do math to calc efficiency... but... yeah

[@rasu02]

Makes sense, thanks for doing all the calcs! I’m ass at numbers so I appreciate the clarification 🙂‍↕️

[@chronostar7968]

I think people got it wrong to assume it resets every 42 days, it's only 42 days since it got released closed to June, Why would they even reset it 12 days after? It'll probably reset every 30 days they just decided to make it 42 days for the time being.

[@pandan__]

@@chronostar7968People assume it would be 42 days because it’s the duration of the patch (6 weeks) and also it was the timeframe stated on the shop on day 1. We still have to wait and see whether they will keep this or change it to monthly. Right now it is still speculation. Same thing with ToA, the post says there is only 2 rotation of rewards a patch but if you look at the timeframe after reset, it’s every 2 weeks not 3 moving forward.

[@ljunljun6354]

wow thanks for counting this, good job😮

[@ResearcherReasearchingResearch]

This is the biggest reason why I look at leaks. Getting to see the next batch of units and comparing it to the current ones helps so much so you can decide if you want to hold and save or if to pull now.

[@St1mpy]

They should also just add the permanent event from pgr where, you can roll a dice daily and get standard cards from the dice. If you hit 3 times you get a standard pull. It also resets every week.

[@pexch5822]

the shop is a monthly reset but since the game came out a week before the end of may i think they just set the first month to add an extra week because with the original 1.1 patch date we would have had the shop reset a few days before at the start of july (to clarify i did the math based off the days left before we got told the patch was getting shortened)

[@MZHamshari]

This is exactly what i was thinking, people need to stop coming up with things without confirming it 🤷‍♂

[@MuyaRizal]

i play both genshin and wuwa. in genshin you need 420 pulls for guaranteed 5* and their weapon which i often skip the weapon in wuwa you only need 240 pulls for guaranteed 5* and weapon. i now have 159 pulls ready for jinhsi and gonna pull her weapon if i have enough on 1.1.

[@dslrjm7691]

I really don't know how u guys play same game same map same dangin for like 60 days straight without getting even a new character. U guys are so boring dude

[@saiavabel6076]

​@@dslrjm7691 beggars can't be choosers. I only buy monthly luntie thing and ik for sure I can't have all chars I want. I will choose which I want farm them

[@dslrjm7691]

@@saiavabel6076 yes beggars can't be choosers but they can be gambler. 💩💩

[@saiavabel6076]

@@dslrjm7691 ya which is essential is gacha and lot of people do become beggars by gamble. That's life. There is always gamble in life whatever action you take. If u hate gamble so much better quit all gacha games that's best for u

[@dslrjm7691]

@@saiavabel6076 bro is down bad addict to gambling. Anyway if I am not wasting money I can be a responsible person that's what matter for me.as gambling matter for u. And no, in life there's no gambling if u don't want to do it.

[@manofthepeople2165]

Dude, it's a gacha game not a charity. Genshin impact literally does the same thing, once u clear all the exploration, achievements, and quests, the only way to get gems is by doing dailys or events.

[@dslrjm7691]

still can't deny that u can't pull for weapon banner. And i think "that's enough" Mentality should be stop. And u get what u get why are u worrying about a company. When u can get ur character u like.

[@XGAMINNN]

Even for f2p players they should provide them enough pulls to get 1 character with signature weapon in each patch they can earn a lot of money just from the players being active in the game being to greedy like genshin will lead to the downfall

[@Zyleace]

Then go back to genshin if that's what you want. We don't need Kuro Games to do a charity, but we need a chance to get a limited 5* each patch. HSR does this, PGR also does this(actually for them it's guaranteed everytime).

[@MatthewCJoy]

imagine defending greed

[@z33iihh]

@@Zyleace 1.1 Already has over 92 pulls that you can get for just logging and playing. That's enough for a 5 star. You can't be serious thinking that by being f2p you'll get EVERY single unit that releases every patch?? Yeah HSR gives a ton of stuff, yet i too have to miss on characters that i want to guarantee myself the one which is coming after. It's all about planning your resources. We can't get everything, either deal with it and learn which characters are more worth to pull for, or go cry to the church. Gachas are gachas.

[@johnbot1778]

remember guys, we only got thos goodies from 1.0 version because of the disaster of the game's launch (and because its new so rewards are gonna be everywhere). so be fully prepared for lower incomes just like any other gacha games. but i hope its not as severe as other games

[@UggoBass]

I think 12.4k asterite and 16 lunite are good enough for v1.1 since I'm of the mindset that the gacha should be plying luxury rather than necessity. My actual concern at this point are the quality of SR/4* unit that are going to be introduced into the game given the utility of the current set in the general pool. I don't mind Sr/4* being more niche or weaker but I think no-niche SR/4* are put into gacha just to pad it out and lowers the chances of getting "more useful" SR/4*.

[@shin1300]

In pgr Kuro gives out s-rank selectors and certain patch gives a new s-rank character for free outright and those are all meta characters. However in wuwa the gacha system leans more on Kuro's profit compared to pgr. I am not sure if Kuro would give out 5 star selector like they do in pgr we have to wait and see until then its best to save for characters you like as f2p

[@Noerusakuragiofficial]

I was hoping that it would be like PGR. We had a full month to pull for a new s rank character

[@Vizible21]

​@@Noerusakuragiofficialwell technically you have. 1 patch is literally a month and by that you can get 1 5 star? Plus they literally just give us a 5 star ticket no? Or y'all already forget that?

[@Noerusakuragiofficial]

@@Vizible21 true true true they really decided to release 3 very limited cool characters

[@Cyboroso]

Something to note that the OP haven't mentioned is that the illusive dreams , roguelike mode also give asterites and it seems that they will reset monthly/each patch, likely for us to get more rewards as it gets updated. Obviously its not alot in the long run but just wanted to add this info , i hope that they make it similar to HI3 and HSR where it resets weekly .

[@saheb00]

all im asking for is free standard pulls when ascending characters like in HSR AND GI

[@Jxllen.]

tbh being able to hit hard pity and a bit more each patch is enough for me bc then at least right at the end you can decide whether or not you're gonna give that last $20-50 push for the character if you lost your 50/50 bc at the point you'd know if you're gonna get them or not in a sense

[@Raptorio]

I think for the coral shop its just because they release the game at end of month , so they not gonna reset it at the 1st June since new player still learning the system... I think most game also do that if they just release something new at end of month , something that usually reset every month they will hold it until the next month(more than 30days) to reset instead

[@mismismism]

It's true. Standard banner alone, it's hard for a lot of us to even get enough pulls for the selector since there are no standard pulls from leveling like Genshin or Star Rail. All the compensation has masked how much more stingy the game is with currency. It's looking like it's going to be much more difficult for F2P or even low spenders to pull characters than Genshin. Both games have a lot of issues that weirdly match like one sucks here, the other sucks there, one is strong here, the other is strong there.

[@tyriqueadams4326]

don't worry there will be more bugs means more apologems

[@almezamorra1021]

Yep, Im waiting for bugs. At least they are extremely generous with it.

[@Nunazac]

apolotrite* lol

[@Zyleace]

​@@NunazacYes let's forget what game and what the gems came from 😂

[@jugoso13v99]

@@Zyleacehuh?

[@Abuturab1]

@@Zyleace clash of clans??

[@pcpc1289]

Even p2w player would really consider about the swiping, i mean $100 for only 40 pulls, to get to pity, you need to swipe atleast $200. And that did not include pulling weapons. They really need to consider their pricing. The double asterite are actually quite reasonable in terms of pricing, but you only get to do that on first purchase what a bummer. That should reset every new banner come out imo.

[@highstudentproduction8195]

This exactly the feeling of the Gacha when i play PGR. Like it's true you cannot get every new character (unless you really that lucky) I need to save for some unit i want and such. Thankfully in PGR the waiting is not that long for the Banner character you want. Like when the first Bianca Veritas out, i didn't get her and i save up my pity, around 4 weeks? her banner appears again. Not sure how Wuwa banner work, but the thing about PGR is 60 Pull will get the character.

[@loly6105]

i wont be running out of pulls .... if im skipping both banners😂

[@qingquelover]

pokke juat covered this vid W been watching you for a few months hope you blow up

[@djicash7055]

I think the main problem is because they put some heavy breathing banner ( yinlin - jinshi - chang li ) closely, without making any sacrifice character for male player to fill the gap maybe some husbando.

[@reyxo4657]

Standard pull are actually pretty usefull As you said, you can throw them in the standard weapon banner which is also WAY more interesting to me than standard characters

[@zerulaw9118]

and do remember if you do not care about weapon passive getting just a sword and a gun from standard banner can carry you through the end of time because their sub stat is crit chance and that’s my plan…just getting a weapon of each type with crit chance substat and you never need to pull for any weapon ever again

[@modniy9579]

10 standard trash, thanks Kurogay

[@MeryKeit]

92 limited pulls per patch with 80 pity is fine, HSR does the same and you don’t see people complaining about it. In Genshin tho you get 60-70 on average, which isn’t enough even for one pity - that’s the problem. If you lose your 50/50 as a f2p you can only get a single copy of a limited character in 2 patches which is usually several months worth of waiting…which isn’t worth it at all.

[@shadow-xp2ib]

There are different kind of wishes for limited weapon and character banner so u have to keep asterites rather than just buying wishes to keep track

[@Snealer]

I agree with you with getting at least hard pity every patch, if they keep that up no one should be complaining. Because like you said once again, if everyone gets every character every patch, what’s the point of spending money besides getting copies. Good video man, thank you!

[@Pender-uq1lg]

I think to offset this is to make skins. Nikke essentially does this. They sell skins like crazy. You could also pay money for more mats like exp,tunners,etc in wuthering waves if you wanted to. I think they can stand to be more generous. Even just uping the pull rate to like 1.5 percent or something. Nikkes is 3 percent. My issue is that games like nikke, azur lane and brown dust 2 are extremely f2p friendly and have no issue making money every month. Sure it might not be on the same level as hoyo, but I think hoyo is more mainstream with more players than something like nikke so people would probably pay for skins more in something like genshin/star rail/wuthering waves since there is a bigger player base for those games.

[@cookiewithlove2081]

Imagine hitting hard pity and getting an off-rate.

[@Snealer]

@@Pender-uq1lg I totally agree with your statement there. We love cosmetics, so adding skins won’t do any harm. Upping the rate to 1.5 (for us Gacha gamers) is actually super high. But that doesn’t mean that theirs have to be so low either. They did decide to have it 0.2% higher than Genshin/Hsr, however that is still good enough for us. Imo 0.8% is higher than 0.6%. But then we also have the issue with 0.6% being too low and 1.5% being too high. It doesn’t make sense but… yeah “RNG”👍

[@Snealer]

@@cookiewithlove2081 most people will just say “pull better”

[@cookiewithlove2081]

@@Snealer How does one pull "Better." I need enlightenment.

[@rikudouray]

Just get lucky should be fine 😂 save wise pull wise.

[@klindonuggets5699]

Yes! In addition, wait for reruns and focus on what you currently have.

[@SadBoy-pr6zq]

I mean, the other stuffs are normal but im not really a fan of the "per patch" shop reset instead of "monthly". Like, that's pretty much a standard in most, if not all gacha games and a lot of players look forward to. That's a honestly a pretty weird decision on their part cuz I thought one of their main selling points is doing most stuff gacha games do but better. If they don't change that, then even I won't be able to defend them for it even though they've been giving a lot of free stuff rn.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

well, in any way you look at it, one can always practice the skill of saving and self-control. 🤷

[@macawboy6522]

is there any information about controller version on mobile platform?

[@janm5854]

Daily Astrite subscription + Astrite from daily activities is 10 Astrite short from 1 pull.

[@ForTheViolence]

I mean, get a sub account. And buy the $5 monthly pass sometimes. If pulling is your entire life. If not you’ll be fine, it’s an action Gacha. You can be F2P and have plenty of fun.

[@klindonuggets5699]

I did this in genshin in the past now I'm doing this in WuWa. I want characters but I know I can't have everyone. My main has a monthly pass and BP and my alt is F2P. It somehow works since I can focus on different characters in different accounts. Note: I do not frequently explore much on my alt. I just do the dailies and spend the waveplates.

[@jugoso13v99]

@@klindonuggets5699im doing the same plus for my alt i got really lucky and got yinlin + verina in my first multi and got calcharo with the selector

[@klindonuggets5699]

@@jugoso13v99 good for you. Hope we win more 50/50s hehe

[@mariamkjm7349]

its basicly like in genshin, in genshin u can get every 90 days +- 1* star guaranteed, and in wuwa basicly 80 days instead of 90 lol, also the big question is if there is gonan be a big diffrence between the now "main dps" and future "main dps" bcs if the gap is way to big like those pulls are not enough, even as a low spender its fked up, also i miss old days when even as f2p u could basicly farm for everything x-x but i guess thats in the past at least for gacha games) but i hope they at least will add something that i can do in the game more than 10 min a day ^-^ and i am looking forward for skins ♥

[@richardsanjaya1426]

i remember the early days in ToF, where people holding in their resources because they can only save for 1x 50/50 pity. the amount of resource is still limited back in the day, even if you do the whole exploration. but as the time goes on, things get much better. although i don't really like how Meta Slave that game can be. the same goes with genshin or other gacha games too. now, which one you prefer? a game with lot of resources but the characters/units always easily got powercreep every 1-3 month(s). or a decent resource in game with the characters/units have long life span?

[@judgmentcut7291]

can u tell me what login event ur talking about for getting standard pulls?

[@frostice961]

Already did some dumb calculations and the cycle is slightly better than genshin maybe 1-2 pulls better but remember that the hard pity is 80 or maybe 79. But we need to know the soft pity or average pull rate of 5* But then again they upgraded the event rewards, we get 800 astrite next event iirc? For me a much bigger problem is if they don't release new 4* new echo sets/echoes and more holograms. One thing i noticed is 4* kits seems to be more free from restraints than 5* which makes them fun to play

[@prisciliaflora]

There is two events coming (06/13), one with 800 and one with 420

[@zacharydahl4820]

it's already here i am already only averaging about a pull a day at this point

[@aria.e]

I used full 160 pulls to get Yinlin (lost 50-50 to verina), I was so angry and broke. I was so angry that after I finally got yinling I don't want to use her. I've accepted that I won't be getting anymore 5 stars for a very long time so I turn my interest to my 4 stars instead like sanhua, yanyan and chixia and ignore all of my 5 stars except verina and havoc.

[@athena7922]

lmaooo poor yinlin 😭 i'm at guaranteed pity 61 for yinlin after losing 50/50 at the 39th pull to verina.. idk if should keep pulling or wait for jinhsi instead lol

[@Internetcockroach1]

Honestly the thing that sucks for me is that so many things cost waveplates. If they had the simulation training which is great for farming materials and the stuff you consume for overoworld bosses be different then I would be playing more instead of sitting and waiting for my waveplates to refill

[@Pender-uq1lg]

I feel like hoyo has created a horrible standard in gatcha gaming at least when it comes to getting characters. It's making it the norm to essentially be a whale in this games which it shouldn't be. Take a game like nikke or brown dust 2 which is probably 2 of the most f2p gatchas out there and they have no issues making bank every month. Those games should be the norm in terms of summons and currency. Epic Seven even does it better while still having only a slightly better pull rate than wuthering waves, but still gives you tons of currency. I also don't like this FOMO these companies are creating by making EVERY single character limited outside of the initial heroes they release in the standard banner. I can agree with some limiteds here and there, but most units should go in the standard banners after they release so we don't have to wait god knows how long to pull for them again. Even in Epic Seven when they release a limited character if I only save for limited I can pretty much pity 1 or both limited units they release in a banner because I can get lucky with free summons daily or the random 70 plus they give us to get a regular 5 star unit.

[@Nudderbols]

In PGR every character was added to the standard (except crossover characters.) They'll probably settle for just copying Genshin instead of taking PGR's way better system though.

[@RanRan_11]

Those you mentioned are also low quality coomer bait games (at least compared to an open world with 3D characters). Also, I don't know about BD2 but in Nikke, the pull income is a lot but that's because there's no guarantee outside of using 200 gold tickets, which still takes quite a while to earn. There's also PVP/leaderboards which makes spending more enticing for whales, characters can go up to core7 which is a total of 10dupes, bunch of bundles/pop ups for people to spend more. Basically, the game encourages people to spend a lot in that game, which is not the case in something like Genshin/WW because the bundles they have are more for upgrade resources and not pulls.

[@seyrendante2048]

@@RanRan_11 And the thing with Nikke is that you could argue that the "acquisition of 1 character" is more or less guaranteed, but many people fail to see (especially people who don't actually play the game) that 1 character without a dupe most of the time just sitting pretty on the bench because of the steep power requirement on the later stages. Not to mention the lvl 160 barrier that has mixed experience depending on your luck.

[@theskywalker8416]

No they didnt actually. Look at all gacha games before Genshin, they all let you get the charaters, all of them but they all have a ranking system, pvp system, guild system where ppl compete with each other, they also make new server one in a while for mroe competition to push income In those game, f2p can play and have all characters but never gonna accomplish anything and being used as a "number" to make whales feel great when they are in top 10 for example. Nothing else In game like GI, HSR, WW, TOF... You compete against no one. You can freely enjoy the whole game with everything without paying a single cent and there are no competition. So selling character is the only (or the highest) income they can get. Thats why it works this way

[@Zythroxes]

They really didn't tbh, the rewards for big events are pretty bad like anniversary but every patch for f2p is like 54 pulls on a dead patch and 70 on a non dead patch. I don't think this is that bad really and a welkin will bump these by 20 which is only 5 dollars a month. Genshins anniversary definitely is the most lackluster though. Considering it's a single player game being able to basically grab a 5 star every patch as a f2p or come close to it is more than enough pulls, free to play players can save multiple patches and get c0r1 quite easily depending on the patches since sometimes there's a lot of pulls while others are very lackluster

[@robertomacetti7069]

i mean, i already have 3 (4 if encore passes by) fully fledged teams to build right now, do i even need more pulls and more characters?

[@sup2078]

You dont need to but what if it a character you think is really cool and like their gameplay. I mean i can also create 3 teams but i dont like the gameplay of all the characters so im definitely going for jinshi

[@Navinc87]

Agree for the most part. The standard banner pulls is the one that feels pretty scarce once u've collect all the one time early game ones. The devs did give a lot for compensation, but once thats over it does feel a little stuck. I think its just a different feeling from genshin because it gave standard pulls whenever you level a character.

[@PoPo-qp8zq]

Kuro 1 day after this: Ayo here are 2 events with more free pulls

[@splitatorium]

Lol, if you think this is bad Genshin is 10x WORSE, even on their anniversary and lantern rite

[@marknavarro-tj3dd]

Kuro has been so generous already and this guys said "not enough" 1.0 and i got yinlin + weapon with 39% exploration 😂 even in hsr 1.0 it's not even close.

[@modniy9579]

​@@marknavarro-tj3dd You just got lucky, no need to flex

[@marknavarro-tj3dd]

@@modniy9579 mintpicker triggered 🤣 unlucky for you still stucked on a trash game

[@SM-tf3li]

You get more than 9 pulls per patch in Genshin.

[@splitatorium]

@@SM-tf3li Great! So we only need 9 patches to play 50/50 and get a Qiqi 😒

[@bobbib164]

New to the channel and just wanna say ur name is one letter off huge controversy lol

[@thea6118]

Knowing a pull drought would come I still decided to focus on Jiyan for now. I pulled him with almost 100 pulls and then his weapon with over 70 pity. But I have a strong dps that will last me some time. I will try my luck on Jinshis banner, but if I dont get her, I'll just keep saving. I won't need a lot of characters for now. I can build three decent teams for the Tower with the ones I have already. Jinshi would be really nice, but not a must have for me rn.

[@peterrj1973]

i am from the future, basically they fixed almost everything they said, they are going to increase the pulls per patch to 7 of each, which gives more pulls than genshin per reset even if there are 2 mothly resets, they are going to give 10 pulls of each as a mail reward so the permanent ones also, they are going to do a login event with 5 5 permanent and character wishes, and basically the events will probably give 800 astratite

[@vinny9500]

As someone who lost the 50/50 on the hard pity at 80 pulls. I really wish they would make the hard pity more favorable for the banner character.

[@cheyanne2001]

So, the usual plateau of resources from 1.0 patches. Im not gonna pull for a while personally cos i have pretty much everyone minus Encore and Yinlin and im busy fixing my Jiyan build to be a gacha addict. Sure, slowing down how much we get in one sitting is unfortunate but *normal* launch patches and Kuro giving summons as reaponses to game issues has them already spoiled

[@EmperorRyu]

wait how tf do i get 119 pulls with the Lunite subscription? you get 300 lunite and 90 asterite for 30 days that = 3000 asterite = 19 Pulls? what did i miss where are the other 100?

[@tigerjr38]

I do feel like 1 single copy of a new unit costing 100-200$ if you hit pity or faily 50/50 feels a bit gross. Costs around $2,000 USD to max a unit. I spent around $800 to max a unit in ToF. Much more reasonable to me. Still expensive, but 2K is WILD

[@IonKattTMCE]

I’m pulling for both too but if I lose 50/50 on jinhsi imma have to just cut my losses and save I think. (I need the signature weapon for all the characters so that’s why, thank god the weapon banner isn’t horrendous)

[@lonewanderer1249]

WUWA gave out way too many pulls that people are now forgetting what it was like when Genshin came out or HSR. Tho we got many apologems but in the end we did get them at least. I have never seen any gacha give out this many pulls and a 5 star character selector and having a in game lvl 45 reward as a 5 star weapon selector. I may have not played many gachas but I can't find anyone disagree with me either.

[@Axterix13]

I think, it is worth noting, though, that this likely costs them very little. At the end of the day, these are the standard banner characters, and they will likely be outclassed by the featured banner ones. The compensation five star, in particular, I think was a very savvy marketing move. If you were on the fence about the game, the appeal/fomo related to that likely pushed you over. Hoyoverse, on the other hand, isn't good at PR, especially the Genshin team. They could easily hand out standard banner wishes for the anniversary. Wouldn't be featured characters, so we'd still pull for those, but the F2Ps would still love it... free pulls, cons for four stars, maybe a five star weapon... But they don't care about generating good will.

[@Eighteenxray]

"I have never seen any gacha give out this many pulls" are young and just got into games or something? I remember back in the day where you could spend $50 on a game, and get ALL THE CONTENT. There are even korean gacha that give you guaranteed 5 stars and dupes basically every week. I seriously cannot believe you people are defending gacha's that are hyper predatory. Are you people even real? Is dead internet theory true? When they start doing this crap IRL, are you just going to be like, "well at least they gave us some crumbs, they couldve let us starve!" Absolutely ridiculous. I hope you are a bot, because if you are an actual person.... I just can't imagine that, for such a souless person to exist.

[@Belarhos]

If the math is accurate , that amount of pulls is pretty close to how much HSR gives every patch, so i'd say it's fine enough? i'm genuinely less concerned about pulls and more about everything else in the game (looking at you echoes)

[@cloudyyskies9183]

i hope they do what hsr does, introducing multiple refreshing gamemodes to get more astrite

[@faridahamad1568]

even if i squint my eyes and look at only at one banner i still end up with 50/50 coin flip best case scenario. Man i wished they implement 100% banner for limited character also. but alas that just my poor man's dream.

[@fayyadh92]

I agree on reaching pity per patch as long as it doesn't surprise you with another limited character before the next patch... But right now it's fine I think since the new characters are only in a few numbers so the rotation is probably quick... Actually idk who else is a limited character other than Jiyan and Yulin... No leaks

[@ABCDE7]

i hit 60+ pity every time and can still get a proper 5 star team bcoz just like others, i pulled only for those that im actually going to use, not mindlessly pulling for everyone...apparently not everyone can control themselves and decided to blame the devs...its just 1.0 and they want enough astrites to pull for all banner and weapons

[@jmbrady1]

I do think that if you clear everything on the daily challenge list (and I mean all of it) it should give a single standard banner pull

[@bloodywolf9760]

I use HSR as my mindlessly pull game know, 4 teams set so I just pull and see where my luck takes me. Taking a much different approach with WuWa. I will go one pity for Jinhsi, if I win I’ll pull her weapon if not I’ll save for another.

[@lukeaquino7141]

And that's why I'm having a hard time choosing who to pull, at this point I can only pull for one banner since i already got yinlin, now, i want to get both Jinhsi and Changli but I can't, since i have limited resources, it's very hard to choose, why are they so good

[@klindonuggets5699]

I'm just gonna wait for re-run if I somehow lose the 50/50 because If I got the character I'm going for the weapon hehe.

[@lethall6609]

I felt like I want to get changli, I like her colors

[@tochka4881]

​@@lethall6609don't lie to yourself. Everyone knew changli wanters like beautiful mature female not the "just" the colors lol

[@lethall6609]

@@tochka4881yes the two big reasons beautiful and mature yess💀

[@henit5075]

I got Jiyan and his signature weapon. Now, I will wait for an aero support, no matter how long it takes.

[@user-rz5yk5sr7t]

They released an event yesterday for 10 pulls of reach kind. just because.

[@killerking2346]

WuWa had a lot of early, "we're sorry" pity pulls, I was already suspecting it to dry up hard. Is it still more generous than Genshin? Of course. Star Rail though? I'm not sure, the HSR events are always banging, while WuWa events have been very poor primo-wise, and it not being open-world makes it easier and faster to get map pulls.

[@progrockplaylists]

i am REALLY scared of upcoming content drought. considering the map on average is much less dense than in genshit.

[@rayray9145]

We already getting more asterite from events than in genshin. Also some events reset faster... I already have saved 20 pulls 5k asterite and I can probably exchange like 20 more pulls from shop, also soon we get month reset 5 pulls from shop. New update will probably also give some asterite. Meybe some bug fix competitions... Overall its much better than avarage gacha game. 👍 PS: We need tuner synthesis!

[@ahrisse6528]

I spent for monthly pass and BP in Wuwa and Imma say that yes, pull resources are indeed a bit underwhelming aside from the freebies during the first days -- atleast compared to their competitor. I dunno maybe because there's not enough chests in overworld for a map that vast? I lost my first 50/50 pulling for Jiyan and got him on almost hard pity and even now, I don't think I'll be able to get Changli even with the assistance of what I spent 🤣. Still depends on the luck but if I'm gonna talk about getting the character on worst possible scenario, it's really hard to earn lol.

[@yaroslavyevsieiev5890]

Most heartbreaing part was that you don't get rewarded for lvling characters Like in Hoyo games every charatcer is 3 free standart pulls

[@GenshinGirlxxx]

That's why I rerolled 58 times to get both S1 Yinlin and Jiyan with their sigs, the 5 star weapon selector in 2 pulls all before UL 30

[@athena7922]

58 times 💀 i can't imagine having that many emails or the patience to go thru the intro story that many times

[@fishyfish7158]

joke right?

[@GenshinGirlxxx]

@@fishyfish7158 Not a joke. Rolled for 10 days straight to get that one

[@Eighteenxray]

this is kind of funny, ridiculous but funny. Good way to stick it to kuro games and gacha games lol

[@Noaxid]

Idk about pull drought . We will see in 1.2 or 1.3 and look how much we get per patch . For now i've too many unit to build to pull for anything . I didn't pull a single limited 5 * since launch and still didn't have enough stamina to build my units ... will probably not pull until end of 1.1 anyway because of the shit ton of farming need ....

[@vatekanore3756]

This looks good, to be honest What's way too scarce right now is echo exp, i have no idea why out of everything this is the one resource they decided to make awful to get

[@astrogamerg2263]

Finally you addressed this not everyone is it’s was fun and all to be F2P but it won’t be easy to earn pulls from just playing even I have realised I’m gonna have to start spending $200 is equal around to 85 spins

[@Waliant8349]

I am gonna save all my asterites until the next male character comes out… 😂

[@WI-FI_GOD]

Forgot to factor in the people who are hoarding the currency until the first anniversary

[@ironlegion1580]

Tbh i still remember sending a feedback about it such as making it where its 90 asterite daily And 500 weekly and yes make a weekly quest tbh. Cause that would be so good.

[@flowmather7964]

They'll give you at least 50 to highest 70 imo cause that's how most gacha game usually works. Gives you enough to reach near pity and makes you swipe for the 10 to 30 pulls to hit pity.

[@user-ef3sz7uz2s]

It isn’t anymore agregious than Hoyo’s monetary systems . But that’s the part that honestly disappoints me . As someone with experience with a fair number of other gachas I don’t expect to get every character . I do expect one of 2 per patch or atleast every other banner . But at the same time I also have an issue busting my ass too hard to get there . I am of the opinion that a player shouldn’t have to login and commit 9 hours or bust their ass to get event rewards because not everyone’s a genetic freak . I did have an issue with some of the illusive realm gems requiring achieviment hunting .

[@StraytheSkies]

The game just started lol.

[@niladrisarkar1472]

I think that's very good for f2p, cause it takes quite a lot of time to build 1 good unit hence a good team will take more time to build. As i pulled for Yinlin and her weapon and i won the only thing i need right now a good 5* sword for my Calcharo, so i won't be pulling for atleast 2-3 months or more.

[@Crusader_Eugene_the13th]

I would really like if they made most money from character skins (which will probably be added) rather than pulls. So you can almost have a full character collection while being low spender or f2p

[@TANGER840]

Pull drought and it was calculated that the minimum we get from 1.1 is 92 pulls... Literally the same as hsr and double of the other mihoyo game

[@Eighteenxray]

It still boggles the mind that f2p continue to play hsr and the like. Truly slaves.

[@TANGER840]

@@Eighteenxray hsr is really good tho. Genshin on the other hand, i can see why people drops it

[@prophet4722]

You can convert the premium coral currency for pulls. As a f2p that is the best decision. Dupes are not worth losing out on possible 40 pulls for the next character

[@YakiBaki]

I got both Jiyun and Yinlin Pulled 20 and failed to Verina so I'm garenteed a scar, im not stressin

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

Statistically, players get one 5* character per 55 pulls. Also, you can expect 2 out of every 3 characters you summon on the limited banner to be the featured character. This means an average of 83.5 pulls per limited character. Of course, this is just an average. You could get unlucky and need to go all the way to 160. Or you could get lucky and pull multiple copies of a limited charcter on your first 10-pull. However, assuming average luck, this means that f2p players can expect to get roughly one new 5* per version. (If they don't spend waveplates on the weapon banner) And small spenders can expect to get an average of 1.5 characters per version. (In other words, in theory, you would only need to skip one out of every 4 new characters) Again, this is just an average, so... In case there is a specific character you really want, it's best to prepare for the worst, just in case. ^^; But still, if most patches moving forward give as much currency as 1.1, things are looking promissing.

[@tigerray1790]

Bro we are getting like 100 pulls next patch Xd

[@notdxmons642]

If you want to summon on every banner, have 3 accounts saving and alternating summons. As a f2p you just have do what you can

[@rikkucrowe]

Would i like more pulls Yes after hitting hard pity twice fo yinlin im strapped but I think 90 pulle per patch os actually really nice

[@dragonkingxl3310]

While i do wish they give rewards for leveling up characters or your world since it feels unrewarding compared to star rail(not genshin cuz its garbage, you get like 1/5 wish for every level) its not true that they dont give us enough pulls which are literally the same amount as genshin(like 100) but also because we get huge advantages like guaranteed weapon banner, hard pity being 80 instead of 90, free 5 star of choice on release, 5 star selector, etc, we do get alot of wishes as f2p and we have to accept that as f2p you cant compete with p2w players and the amount of gems were getting is fine although i cant say the game is perfect for example echoes being less efficient to farm but atleast we dont have to waste energy on them unlike genshin and hsr with artifacts and relics or game bugs, but those are expected since its a new game with a tremendous fanbase alredy so yes, its a good game with good mechanics and great potential for growth Note: the amount of apologems are also crazy ngl

[@aliceinthelandofdawn9727]

I felt the pull drought days ago and decided to just pull for male characters, that way I can easily save pulls since there will be patches that only have female limited such as 1.1

[@1pisujames959]

i just woke up and see the event rewards 💀 definitely they giving us free 3k(idk the end exact amount) asterisk 💀 but you need to do all the quest event

[@MisguidingWish]

Actually the shop reset is balanced but gonna get buffed with 7 pulls each, so where ither gacha games give 5 pee 4 weeks or months they give 2 extra for 6 weeks plus the weapon banner pulls are just extra

[@Faishgly]

I skipped Yinlin to pull for jinhsi and Changli. I’m trying to get as much astrites and pulls as I can as a f2p player.

[@Blackyyy99]

Actually i hear a lot of MIMIMI... You have daily Astrite and so on... they give us like 100 Euro in 1 month with events and stuff and every few days we got a comparison.. So what the hell do you think? That they gift us all week 100 pulls in a free gacha game.

[@alextan4608]

honestly better than I expected

[@sirnas4243]

i have 22k asterite and 55 radiant tides saved, solely for camellya