Incompetence, Corruption, and a Rioting Mob: The Gibbs Carbine

[@SomeDumbKid1]

The story begins with 3 dudes trying to start a company, it ends with an angry mob torching a weapons factory. I love history.

[@Fritzi2253]

A thief stuck a pistol in a man’s ribs and said, “Give me your money.” Victim, “ Don’t you recognize me? I’m your congressman.” The thief replied, “Oh, sorry, give me MY money.”

[@Chevypotamus]

"No corruption going on here"-The Mayor. probably.

[@DarkSnideoftheRainbow]

I actually found a video of the Mayor responding to the accusations of corruption kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHbFnWCroth5ha8

[@Commie62]

Meeoow, indeed.

[@teutonicbohemian]

I love how he talks a lot the gun and adds history into it. This guy rules.

[@drustybhackleford6972]

Gun Jesus

[@frederikclaeyssens9201]

And as Gun Jesus told of the tales back in the olden days, the apostles gathered around and listened.

[@omegamanprivate7132]

Frederik Claeyssens it is a parable, did you understand the hidden truth?

[@WineScrounger]

Often and eagerly

[@LeCharles07]

And God sent Gun Jesus to tell the people tales of gun history and the people subscribed to hear: and God saw that it was good.

[@dankdark974]

omegaman private Riots suck

[@derekhugh]

fucking LoL

[@gosonegr]

Came for the gun, stay for the story, be robbed by your Mayor. Classic

[@robdavideogamer4119]

It's not really robbery. The citizens burned the factory to the ground, they should be the ones to pay for it. Fair is fair.

[@christopherzarcone1363]

“Don’t worry we’re not corrupt, probably” The Mayor of New York (who looks a lot like the local crime boss but maybe he has an evil brother or something)

[@brandonbentley8532]

Elected officials in nys are so obviously mobsters it's like dressing a wolf in a sheep coat...it's so obvious!

[@semi-useful5178]

@Lil' Connor Peterson You obviously don't know about the political machines and vote fraud.

[@Sivartius]

@The Dead Peterson Kid Doesn't matter how the citizens of New York vote, there's enough dead people to outvote them every time. That plus the vote counters are the mayor's friends, and if you vote the wrong way, you might just get introduced to "Guido" and "Slugger"

[@greycatturtle7132]

XD

[@POTUSJimmyCarter]

Incorrect. The mayor is actually the crime boss's evil brother.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Incompetence? Corruption? In New York? Say it ain't so!

[@KrisKrieg1]

No, it couldn't be. Absolutely preposterous assumption.

[@hawks1ish]

Dude go back to trolling libtards

[@lukemillen7486]

Joshua Lansell-Kenny go back to having a sense of humor

[@andybateman2478]

Joshua Lansell-Kenny are you a New Yorker?

[@Flergenbergen]

There is no corruption in NYC comparable to the good old boy network in these Dixie shitholes. Are you familiar with the history of firearms manufacture in the South around 1862?

[@74groundhog]

Usually the firearm is the focus of the video but I also love the videos where the story behind the firearm is the fascinating part. Every once in a while you'll click on a video and get a treat like this one. Wonderful!

[@lightbluehaze]

The nonchalantness when he said “well doesn’t seem to be a bad gun and then the civil war broke out.” Got me so bad

[@oldgysgt]

I have a Gibbs carbine that I bought as a relic. It had been in a fire, and there was no wood, only a set of blackened metal parts. I Cleaned it up, straightened the Lack plate and the plate on the left side, (the fire had warped them), and then using pictures from the internet, made a new stock. It is now in working order, and even thought it had been in a fire, I feel it would be safe to shoot Black powder loads in it. I had always assumed the gun had been in a resent fire, but now I wonder if this gun could have been one of the guns that had been burned in the New York factory fire, and someone had picked up the parts out of the factory ashes and kept them as a souvenir.

[@derekstocker6661]

That sounds a very plausible account, really makes the tale of these carbines come to life, I once had many years ago a pair of Tower flintlock pistols that were welded together that came from a fire at the manufactory, no wood just iron and brass.

[@SStupendous]

Amazing, what is it WAS one of those that had been in the fire.... more likely that it was than you may think!

[@Dreska_]

'Eagle or possibly chicken' my first thought was a phoenix (as in Phoenix Armoury)

[@charlesprokopp276]

It does look like it's on fire, doesn't it? Rather ironic, considering the fate of the armory.

[@ZGryphon]

Maybe, although it's holding a bunch of arrows and an olive branch, just like the eagle in the Great Seal of the United States.

[@Dreska_]

I choose to believe its a phoenix because that would be one ugly eagle haha

[@howler6490]

Nah, its a chicken...oops

[@sailingmaster]

How does someone downvote a story that good?

[@b.griffin317]

anti's

[@allewis4008]

The occasional SJW rodent.

[@WineScrounger]

21000 views/9 downvotes. Disapproval rating under 0.05%, better than some public servants I could mention.

[@itsconnorstime]

Reb sympathisers.

[@Snubrevolver]

sailingmaster teh youtube

[@perochialjoe]

This is one of my favorite kinds of Forgotten Weapons videos. When the story is more interesting than the gun. Great work as always, Ian!

[@fscreations7373]

I love story time with Ian

[@Sabroe_ffs]

I mean at this point, this isn't really a gun channel so much as a history channel. Might be why it's the only gun channel i'm still subbed to!

[@TheGhilamonster]

Great bedtime story, uncle Ian.

[@arizona-4734]

This is a particularly good example of why I enjoy this channel. Interesting engineering and crazy backstories.

[@pixelkatten]

So the Phoenix Armory went up in fire? What were they expecting?

[@lemeres2478]

Well, the mayor's fortunes certainly rose from the ashes....

[@LeCharles07]

"Story time with Ian" is one of the best channels on KZbin.

[@kkarnik03]

I have enjoyed watching your videos over the years and listening to the history associated with the gun. I think this narration was the best.

[@padi5star]

Great story and even greater presentation. Totally entertaining. Thank a bunch! I hope KZbin keeps their dirty hands away from your work! Keep it up, please.

[@vaclavnikl6842]

What a story! Really enjoyed listening to this one. Gun's nice as well.

[@stevenandbobthedog]

Can we just all take a minute to appreciate this channel? It must be hard to keep content constant and informational in the same regularity that Ian does.

[@DirtyHairy1]

I just love listening to Ian telling these stories.

[@filmfreak988]

I think that this is the best story behind a gun you've shown off, and you've told us some pretty crazy stories!

[@fastmongrel]

US Eagle.....or Chicken LOL

[@Sakuxxx1x]

Yeah that was funny, but it does looks a litle bit like a chicken rofl ^^

[@SgtKOnyx]

Could have actually been a turkey

[@shawnr771]

Its a chicken hawk.

[@lagrasta666]

Add weapons with history and you have the perfect video. Thank you Ian, that was a very interesting piece of history.

[@KrisKrieg1]

Oi, Gibbs the carbine! *points stabby thing in your direction*

[@xmm-cf5eg]

You must gibbs carbines! Tink of da chillrun!

[@Zdrajev]

I just love the stories of the weapons almost as much as the guns themselves. Very good, high quality and entertaining content! Keep up the good work!!

[@lnichols1111]

Well done, history lesson and a description of a historical gun. Good context.

[@Deftonesdsm]

Very good video Ian. You did a really good job summarizing that history. Id love to see a longer indepth history of gun and gun co.

[@Mike_Regan]

You're a good storyteller, Ian. Thanks.

[@benec5816]

Thank you once again for a great story to go along with the weapon. Stay safe

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

Gun Jesus has got the lot - you want guns, I got guns, you want history, I got history, you want stories, I've got them too.

[@AustinLutz01]

Probably my favourite Forgotten Weapons video still to this day. Love this story

[@billwillis3416]

Nice job on research, and good presentation.The weopons of the past really make you aware of the courage you would need to use a rifle like that. The reload is a little more difficult than modern-day . I bet there was a many soiled soldiers.Thanks Ian! Good one!👍👍

[@Quetzocoatl22]

"And the lockplate has this nice little U.S. eagle, or possibly chicken." With a talent for deadpanning like this, Ian should be in showbiz.

[@OzarksWildman]

It appears the cartouche is in fact the Phoenix. Pretty neat.

[@REXOB9]

Thanks for the interesting history behind this firearm.

[@johnvanhul7799]

Great historical tidbit!!!

[@PoindexterTactical]

I love this type of video! It's an interesting gun without any extra context, but the story behind it is pretty crazy and really interesting.

[@troy9477]

Quite a story. Tammany Hall at its finest. Looks like a potentially good design, but that camming system looks like it would get loose. The sight picture looked very good to me. No mention of caliber, but i assume it is .50. A .45 or even a .40 would make sense for a lightweight carbine- lighter bullets for less recoil, and they might shoot slightly flatter (say, 200 gr at 1200-1300 fps). Just a thought. All of these paper cartridge rifles and carbines are interesting. So many differences in one theme. The Sharps certainly seems the best, but there were some good also-rans. Great video as always. Thank you

[@stephenhensley7004]

The history is great. Thanks!

[@PABQ779]

Very interesting history. Thanks!

[@ILikeToLaughAtYou]

This title... is foreshadowing...

[@Tripp426]

Ian's "oops" at 8:49 is perfect.

[@giorgigarsevanidze6334]

"...And the lock plate has this nice little U.S. eagle, or possibly a chicken."

[@MumblesMarbleMouth]

A fine example that rioting and looting doesn't do any good. The people will pay for all the damage that is done with their taxes. The stories that follow these old guns are more interesting than the history of that era.

[@Dumbo8234]

Oh no, it's the american chicken! Run for your lives!!!

[@moosemaimer]

CHICKEN OF FREEDOM

[@George_Doc]

Colonel Sanders have a different opinion

[@vaclav_fejt]

That was a Kentucky fried lobby.

[@b.griffin317]

it could be a t-rex.

[@allewis4008]

Speaking of chicken, the Marxists want to put a carbon tax on your meat and eggs and have you eat bugs instead. www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/opinion/sunday/carbon-tax-on-beef.html

[@panzerzh9864]

I enjoyed this remarkable story for sure!

[@MrAlumni72]

"er ... umm ... er ..." - Mayor Quimby

[@peterisaacs1344]

Bloody marvelous.

[@daltonmiller8216]

That has really excellent sights for that era gun.

[@timadams3979]

A very nice gun for the era

[@carbon4454]

Does anyone else find the bridge between the old muskets and bolt action rifles of World War 1 fascinating?

[@normtrooper4392]

This is actually my favourite part of firearms history

[@saab9251]

This is the quality content I subscribe for

[@EvocativeKitsune]

The mecanism on this gun is very cool!

[@BillRoyMcBill]

Excellent story and a cool gun.

[@waynedaley7048]

Really like your videos. Keep up the good work

[@nosaltiesandrooshere7488]

👍 excellent, thank you!

[@hugebartlett1884]

Actually,it is a very good looking carbine,smooth,pleasing shape,and well balanced. Just tough luck it all came into being at a bad time.

[@pfootball6363]

Damn you Mark from C&Rsenal. Now all I can see is the grain pattern in the wood is way off and the toe of the stock will break off eventually

[@brianfuller5868]

Very good. Thanx for the video.

[@libertyprime3753]

“W.W. *Marston*” *intense breathing*

[@stompingpartridge258]

Cool story, thanks Ian.

[@jasonirion6664]

great history lesson thx ian

[@5anjuro]

The whole story reads like a Simpsons or Futurama episode. Hipster startup dudes, the comically corrupt mayor and a town on the riot.

[@shoominati23]

Hey Ian, when are you going to do a Tour of Lithgow Arms? I'm sure they would allow someone of your standing into the factory as they want more international contracts and I hear that they have a good museum of all the arms they ever manufacturer dating back to the 1st world war and before. Would be worth a shot (pardon the pun ;)

[@ianfurqueron5850]

Neat. A bit surprised the auction price estimate is so low. I'd love to have this.

[@heartland96a]

Were there multiple sizes of percussion caps ? As there seems the rifles and pistols have different size posts for the caps to fit over? Do they still mtg caps and those posts?

[@ipodhty]

Yes, there are musket caps and no 11 caps

[@dandhan87]

Pretty hard to detect sarcasm in gun Jesus's words

[@JohnDoe-ff2fc]

great back story!

[@roberttherrien352]

You are my favorite weapon related site. Your presentations remind me of the old magazine "La gazette des armes". You have historic,technical and esthetic information that make your site so interesting. Keep up the good work Ian . You are the best.

[@tonyktx44]

what a beautiful little rifle

[@criffermaclennan]

Pitfalls, politics and dodgy dealings....what an unlikely combo 😂😂

[@hughbarton5743]

A very lovely thing, but I'll bet you measure the lock time with a calendar. Thanks, Ian.

[@TheArklyte]

Hmm, where have I seen this one before? Is it in upcoming Hunt by Crytek?

[@stanthecomputerman]

Cool story. Thanks!

[@panzerzh9864]

"And the lock plate has this nice little US eagle... or, possibly, chicken" - made my day! ))))

[@philiproseel3506]

The fact that Missouri was a split state, half union, half confederacy, is even more interesting.

[@somebody3143]

IRRELEVANT COMMENT: Oh man, Ian McCollum is SUUUCH a friggen’ STUD! This dude is one of a kind and is such an EXCELLENT gun historian and a truly AMAZING KZbin Firearm Showman! Love you A TON, Ian- not romantically, of course, but DEFINITELY in an appreciative, admiration oriented manner!!! Now, please don’t get me wrong, after all, that is ONE HECK of a long pony tail, but it’s just not my particular flavor of Chick-Fil-A Sauce!

[@candidmoe8741]

I imagine Grandpa Ian, with grandchildren at his feet, ecstatic listening to his stories (children's stories)

[@SamuraiPie8111]

"I'm putting together a team..." - Lucian Gibbs

[@jimkoonce6574]

Great story, I really like the back stories on the different guns, oops, with the new policies, can I say "guns"?

[@squirrelonmapletree]

One of the most interesting background story.

[@ajvanmarle]

If it took that long to get them in production it's no surprise they didn't get a good report. By that time Henry rifles were already in production, using brass cardridges and a magazine.

[@myutubeviewer1]

+Forgotten Weapons Do you think that Lucien Gibbs is possibly an ancestor of Leroy Jethro Gibbs (aka; Boss, Gunny)?

[@nadtz]

As bad as NYC is (born and raised there) at least it ain't Chicago (where I somehow find myself living now). Great story either way, great video!

[@ferrusfylax]

Very cool

[@gogou9489]

Ha4...love the part where he says " probably an American eagle or a chicken"

[@vojdanzaprov4643]

"Or possibly chicken"😂 Thanks for your work and making me laugh, in this case.

[@Noobish_Camper55]

This is an amazing story

[@platapus112]

Who's building of guns was worse? Gibbs or HMG?

[@Jesses001]

Hum, I wounder how well that system would work for metallic cartridges. I wounder if it would be easier or harder to produce then a modern break action single shot.

[@kahlzun]

The bird on the side is likely a phoenix, as in "phoenix arms"

[@WineScrounger]

Is the chicken indicative of a special contract for colonel sanders?

[@brandonford8092]

Not an eagle or a chicken. It's a PHOENIX.... For phoenix armory

[@gus.smedstad]

I kinda want to know more about why the original trio couldn’t manage to get any carbines at all manufactured. Was it just the difficulty in finding tools? Was it incompetence on their part? Seems like the details matter.

[@mykalpennings5968]

Ah the Tammany Hall days of New York... What a wild time