The Maesters history and lore - livestream

[@James-dn8dh]

We always want/look forward to an in deep geek live but everyone needs time off, hope you enjoyed it and recharged your batteries.

[@eviesholette]

Been feeling pretty anxious from being sick lately and binging your lives is the most soothing thing I've found! Ive always loved your voice, but hearing it in a conversational, less scripted style is so nice! Thanks so much for your hard work. Your content is so well thought out and delivered! Lotr and asoiaf fandoms are all the better for your presence!

[@rwuthenow]

Personal note: your haircut looks really nice, Robert. I admire all the hard work you put into In Deep Geek.

[@studebakerhawkdj]

Yes, would love a live stream about swords!

[@landofalwayswinter666]

Another excellent stream from my favorite content creator. Thanks Robert!

[@iSlack01]

Always intriguing and worth a second listen!

[@iSlack01]

Its Bloodraven!

[@crybaby_claire]

I didnt notice your week off cause I was binging Well Told Tale 😅

[@mistymathis257]

Awesome as always! Excited about the website!

[@jamiemckenna2254]

Looking fwd to this - nearly 3 hours @in deep geek you beast!! 😆 Congrats on new website & merch! Btw, your audio sounds really great, Ser Robert! 🎙

[@rockstargames1997]

Famous swords would be a great livestream topic

[@Joggi98]

I always thought it was strange that no other city ever tried to establish its own citadel. Oldtown (before the construction of the Sept of Baelor and even afterwards to some degree) controls both the Faith and the only university in the country. You'd think one of the kings would have tried to establish a citadel in King's Landing or something.

[@paulcoy9060]

Or he did try, but the maesters talked him out of it. Because of the conspiracy.

[@sebuko69]

You should be brought into the HBO team for writing ! Have you ever been approached by the team or any series ? Would you be interested in working on the series ? If you could chose a show to run on a specific part of the history of the world what would you chose ?

[@j.b8728]

I was wondering why I haven't enjoyed my KZbin viewing as much. Welcome back

[@KipIngram]

Well, I watch these as I go to sleep too, but I also watch them lots of other times. 🙂

[@jacobthompson1682]

I imagined the Maesters like they walked into a room where magic had just happened like they have all the pieces but it doesnt work for them so they think it's gone. They are blinded by their books the same way we dont get the full story out of the books. Everything that's written in ASOIAF is in universe and from a person's POV. Instruction manuals as compared to a text book. An instruction manual doesn't teach you anything it's just a report of how your IKEA shelf went together. All Maesters have to be able to combine their rings into a chain. That has a deeper meaning than some see.

[@justinrogers1807]

Love the content Robert thanks for all you do

[@brennanbarnes7628]

As always thank for the video Robert and cheers on the news about the website, very exciting!! In your discussion you mentioned the maesters and their glass candles and you mentioned how, as a final test to join the order an acolyte must attempt to light the glass candles. In your video you mentioned the maesters have four candles, 3 are black and one is green. Only the black candles are used for the ritual and we only ever hear of the black candles in 'use' with Marwyn's candle confirmed to be black by Sam. Do you believe they may have different abilities? Is there a significance to the fact that, other than being mentioned a single time the green glass candle vanishes completely? Also, don't forget, never believe anything that a character states if they precede that statement with 'mayhaps'.!

[@chrisansara1843]

We missed you bro

[@JoniukasVader]

In Deep!

[@jacki8211]

house redwyne history and lore please!!!🤩

[@judithbradford9130]

has everyone forgotten Maester Aemon's line about "fire consumes, but cold preserves"? It's the point of dynamic equilibrium scholars would try to maintain, the tightrope between increasing knowledge/tools/power and the dangers at the frontiers of new discovery/invention/existence as life innovates

[@sebuko69]

Well deserved week off ! Look forward to the lives ! Have you ever thought about writing a novel ?

[@sebuko69]

Perhaps @indeepgeek you could do stories within the world ? Like make some characters up in the world and create sub stories ?

[@liverdave1977]

Great topic!! Sadly i think we will never get a definitive answer from GRRM, but the theories and speculation is a great topic of conversation 👍🏻👍🏻

[@samclontsii3548]

Quentyn’s death also helps Dany buy into Quaithe’s warnings more..

[@ShiseitsenZack]

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[@ericvague19]

Quentyn is like the Eddard of the second half of asoiaf.

[@mitchrowe6433]

I dont know if quentyn is dead or not but it might be possible that people rushed in to drag him out and were burned aswell, clothes would be irrelevant with dragon fire they could have scooped up a few burnt bodies and assumed the one that died was him.

[@2bescenecom]

ITS amazing you're not Jared Harris at all...love your channel

[@AmberKingmusic]

I'm curious why Sam was sent to the wall by his father rather then the citadel. They seem to have similar inheritance policies. Obviously the story needed sam at the wall but I wonder if Randall Tarly had other reasons.

[@jacobrobb5391]

Randall hates Sam like honestly read any of Jon’s first chapters with Sam and you can read Sam saying how his farther said he would see to sams death while hunting over him staying home

[@parism9172]

It was due to pride. Something about Tarlys not serving and rather Sam die on the wall than serve any other houses as a maester

[@corbinskywalker]

GRRM PLANNED IT ALL

[@johnnyjay6959]

The Maesters are like the Templar’s/Freemasons in that they have a wealth of knowledge but also at least in the states u can find a freemasonry temple in every county in the U.S. They are everywhere and conspiracy and intrigue surrounds them.

[@guineveregreenstones9977]

Freemasons and similar clubs are everywhere in uk too. My grandad and uncles were all buffalos. He refused to show me the secret handshake

[@johnnyjay6959]

@@guineveregreenstones9977 google it bc it’s crazy. I didn’t believe it until I researched it myself. In every county in the US there is a Freemason temple. I work in customer service and before Covid hit hard a customer told me to take time off bc shit was gonna get bad. When I asked what he was talking about he said I’m a Freemason trust me take time off. He’s a regular of mine and knows I’m married wit two kids and I was about to move into a new house. I was advised to settle as quick as possible and take time. Believe me if u want or don’t. I still don’t know how to take it honestly.

[@KimdraStBiryukova]

The death of dragons doesn't seem so much like a grand conspiracy as a small group of higher-ups making decisions. It may have even just been the decision of the Grand Maester. As for the denial of current-day magic, I'm fairly certain that's just a natural progression during a time where the strength of magic has waned. Don't forget that the more people know a secret, the amount of time the secret *remains* a secret decreases.

[@judithbradford9130]

this was my sense as well-- an opportunist move by maesters once they had fully experienced the results of lots of dragons and Targaryens mucking up Westeros, and the king at the time was not moved to protect the small number of dragons that remained

[@dylangiebel9651]

I thought he said "songs" as a livestream. That would be a great one too!

[@judithbradford9130]

The Maesters are most analogous to the medieval Catholic church (out of which universities were born to train ministers) enormously influential, but in a very different institutional way than any ruling family or military power. "wise as serpents, gentle as doves" endlessly patient and stubborn, planning long term, working on the minds that animate the hands that wield the weapons.

[@KipIngram]

Re: Are the rank and file maesters "in on it"? I think the answer would have to be no - conspiracies that big can't be kept under wraps very well. Smaller ones can, and by the time someone becomes an archmaester they'd have had time to decide if the candidate could be trusted (i.e., those who couldn't be trusted would just never become archmaester).

[@nickschulte3915]

Your comment about young maestets only passing when they come into agreement with the archmaester's way of thinking reminded me of the most disappointing political science class from college. It was suppose to Great Political Thinkers, where we read Plato, Homer, Machiavelli, and so on. But we quickly realized that reading was pointless because the only opinion that mattered was the professor's, he wanted this opinions on these writing regurgitate back to him. And if you dare disagree, by say, arguing that the second slave in The Odyssey, the one that helped Odysseus, couldn't possibly represent democracy and Christianity because neither were around in the time of Homer, you are doomed to get a lower grade for the rest of the semester.

[@sydneycayo9685]

At 2:20:00, I said all men must die to my mother and boyfriend (who are casual show watchers so they should have known) and they thought I was making man hating comments. I really had to draw out that exact point to them.

[@jacobthompson1682]

1:28:00 yeah I expect Maesters chains aren't left in the wild. They would be collected or somehow sent back to the citadel.

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

Hey Robert!!!

[@ThommyofThenn]

I can understand the maesters misliking power being hoarded by one family. Interesting considering their own control over knowledge.

[@wyzasukitan]

Well damn I already figured on Quentyn being dead but now I’m 100000% convinced, adamant and otherwise converted 😂😂😂 off to go preach the gospel of ‘Quentyn Dead *AF* ‘ as per the teachings of His Holiness, Good Father Geek

[@MrCable330]

Hello! I keep seeing the titles of your live stream videos and they always get me intrigued, however I don't have the time to watch them as they are very long. Is it possible for you to have some kind of recap or summary?

[@LouLouPooPoo94]

It's a lot of questions sent in from his supporters/listeners, too difficult to summarise. Just watch as little or as much as you can!

[@jamesaaron7211]

Hi Robert et al, I have been a patron for roughly a year now, and probably because you are the only channel I have patronized, I am not sure how to get a question to you. Is it only through the patroon page? I have tried a couple of ways and not seen any result. To be clear, I am NOT complaining...first that’s not why I became a patron, I don’t need any bonuses, and if I did the audiobook/chapter access would be plenty, and secondly I don’t have any particularly pressing questions atm, just wondering about the mechanics in the event I ever do. I am assuming the problem here is at my end, as again, you are my only experience with this and I just made brief attempts quite some time ago. Cheers and thanks again for your content.

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

I am totally with Barbrey Dustin. I cannot stand the gray 🐑

[@aber416373]

In regard to Valyrian steel links, perhaps they bought a bunch of links from a Valyrian blacksmith from before the doom.

[@Vamprys99]

There’s another possibility for how the maesters’ forge chains for those who have achieved a link for the higher mysteries without possessing the knowledge of how to reforge Valyrian steel. In the medieval world almost everything was recycled and/or reused. It makes much more sense that the maester’s guild would recover chains after the death of one of their members and use the material to forge new links for all of the metals with the exception of the Valyrian steel links. Those would be kept as is and if needed, links for other metals are forged around the pre-existing Valyrian steel link. There’s no evidence that the maesters’ have any part of the secrets to Valyrian steel. They don’t need to.

[@guineveregreenstones9977]

@@Vamprys99 you’re right. The ‘magic’ used in reforming Valyrian steel is common knowledge among master smiths like tobho mott

[@alexmcgee6962]

As to the maesters and valerian steel links, they probably reuse them when a maester dies. So not that much of it long term

[@flintliddon]

What is that framed item in the background? Over your right shoulder. To my left. On the wall.

[@Emmyb]

Hands down my favourite creator on the platform

[@sisu2225]

Arya is gonna pull a sword out of the forge gentry is working at an plunge it in lady stone hearts chest and pull out lightbringer

[@ilovenycsomuch]

I love how you have to remove your glasses every time you read a deep question you have to unpack hehe

[@arcanics1971]

A gullible one could be forgiven For thinking Quentyn is still living So let the following verse show you Why such just cannot be true: Quentyn came to Dany boasted; To her majesty he toasted; Now his bones to Dorne are posted; Cause he got all dragon roasted.

[@rampantrambling]

Fantastic

[@captainanopheles4307]

Did the Maesters know that the death of Dragons was the death of Magic?

[@kidgforce1]

Zhey always wanted to abolish magic in favour of logic

[@judithbradford9130]

Why would a huge amount of Valyrian steel be needed to forge links when there are links left behind by past maesters who have died? Unless the number of maesters gaining that link increases, they could reforge a sufficient number; we know they DO reforge Valyrian steel, because they took Ned Stark's two-handed greatsword and turned it into two swords for Tywin Lannister to bestow on Joffrey and Jaime (who gave his to Brienne) I hope the other one gets re-dubbed, because "Widows Wail" is an absolutely dreadful name for a blade that only a vicious little shit like Joffrey would like.

[@LoneWolf-ro9sj]

Hy Robert …you forgot the most important thing about the maesters…who litt the glas candle ? Maibe Marwyn? Or Another ? I think that the Mad Meid is the one

[@danjordan1]

Get deep!

[@jdspencer60]

I assumed you were an old man with a long white beard lol :)

[@cyandog9067]

What might be the relationship between Lady Stoneheart and Jon Snow

[@ARMRStudios]

Has anyone mentioned that this guy looks like Peter Baelish? Probably, I'm new

[@judithbradford9130]

Any substitution plot that saved Quentyn Martell would totally betray the point of his entire narrative, which begins with "Adventure stank" and ends with the horrible death of a good son trying to please his dad by acting the hero to win the girl and save the kingdom. It's brutal, and sad, and that's the point; don't try to act out stories, there's no such thing as plot armor in real life.

[@KipIngram]

I don't really get this distinction between magic and science. As Arthur C. Clarke said once, any sufficiently advanced technology will appear to be magic. Our ancestors would regard our computers and our cell phones as magic. Magic, scientific laws, etc. - it's all part of nature. What's the difference?

[@Levacque]

If the maesters are required to send their Valyrian steel links back to the Citadel upon their death, that would wrap up the issue of supply. 1:33:00 Regarding their discouragement of magic: since they control the written word in Westeros, that makes magic necessarily dependent on oral history, so discouraging curiosity in learning magic will lead to a slow death of the practice. 2:12:00 As far as Luwin going north is concerned, I think that, as much as anything, it has to do with Hoster being happy with his similarly-aged maester and the interest of having a slightly younger one starting a new tenure with a new, young lord.

[@judithbradford9130]

how can the maesters be engaged in an enormous plot against magic in the world if they maintain an archmaester of the "higher mysteries" of the occult, wearing a mask of Valyrian steel?

[@TGJoeyT]

Anyone who dislikes these videos should be flogged.

[@murryno]

dude, one valerian steel sword has more metal in mass than all the links in all masters chains, fo real. you can make pretty small rings/

[@ruddyman4928]

i think euron burning the citadel will symbolize the stories transition to real high fantasy.

[@brettstevens7242]

QUENTIN IS ALIVE!

[@LSK1]

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[@KipIngram]

This kind of thing does get abused. During the peak popularity time of string theory, physicists who didn't "sign on" for string theory were kind of professionally black-balled. And lo and behold, in the end the whole community backed away from it to some degree (not totally - it's still considered "worthwhile," but it's not thought of as the sure-fire end all and be all it once was. It's always bothered me a lot that the science community behaved that way.

[@paulcoy9060]

10,000 years, and no one invented gunpowder?? Sounds sus .....

[@MRJJJarhead]

maybe the maesters recycle the valyrion chain?XD

[@SHARKVADERS]

IDG!!!

[@post-leftluddite]

1:12:15 This person's question represents a fundamental lack of understanding with respect to evolution as well as anthropological evolution. Their question assumes that civilization and industrial civilization are inherent unavoidable teleologies with respect to humans when that can't be further from the truth. First of all, too many people assume that civilization (a life way based on agriculture and domestication) is inevitable when it isn't, and that it spread across the world due to its obvious superiority when that couldn't be further from the truth as well. Agriculture was a small "experiment" started by a few individuals in the middle east and it wasn't voluntarily adopted, it was spread through force upon a vast and UNWILLING population of hunter-gatherers. Also, the reason why planetos is "stuck" in a pre-induatrial level is not due to lack of intelligence, it's due to the fact that the material reality doesn't exist to support it, i.e. if there is no coal or oil on planetos, then there isn't an energy source dense enough for industrial order.

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Still waiting for the onlyfans In Deep Geek 😜

[@dylangiebel9651]

We all know he didn't want Trump to win lol

[@EricTitterud]

This is seriously just qanon and flat earth for nerds

[@dsamh]

I'm sorry but after Crows the books were pulp. After the books the show was pulp. GOT is the let down of the century.

[@arcanics1971]

I'm sorry but your opinion is a bag of cat vomit.

[@victoriagill1588]

Sadly, i agree 🙁 Too many balls in the air, that got away from GRRM. I can highly recommended The Lymond Chronicles by Dorothy Dunnett. Not the same Genre, but similar take on history and the power manipulation of the ruling class. Also a similar situation of an unreliable narrator. The author never lets you down and keeps all those balls in the air. The history is also 100% accurate!! An amazing read.

[@midasderrek]

Bye then? Like of thats your opinion then why are you here? Why even comment?

[@dsamh]

@@midasderrek You seem to take it personal.

[@midasderrek]

@@dsamh Just asking questions

[@pernillekaaber8335]

No new info here. This is just a q&a for the show‐fans. Too bad

[@redtapereed-walterreed-wal7000]

Spit it out...Go ahead get it out....Omg I'm out of here...