Samwell Tarly in The Winds of Winter - livestream

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[@AndrewK23777]

Great stream Robert , always putting the long hours in for us and we all appreciate it , this one flew by as it was a great discussion. Have to love Sam , as he is really is one of the few truly good ones in the narrative ; and not only is he a beacon of goodness , knowledge and even to a degree hope from GRRM. But in many ways GRRM wrote himself into the narrative via Sam to a degree , a larger man well read , written and learned who will provide some heroic moments and contributions. It is a shame in some respects that Sam is another on the list of those many victims of toxic masculinity in ASoIaF ; Randyll could not accept anything but a fierce , brave , physical warrior type for his heir and failed to see the value that Sam can bring the way Jon and Aemon realize. Perhaps the Tarlys could have worked something out where he would not inherit Horn Hill but still be able to have Sam around as Sam brings so much to the table being clever, learned , intuitive , observant , literate etc. But that unmovable oppressive toxic masculinity from Randyll would not allow it. Sam is also a great literary device from GRRM , especially with his time at the Citadel GRRM can give us so many insights , info and artifacts from Sam being there as a sort of literary mystery box. Of which I do think Sam will get in and get out of the organization (Citadel) after gaining any information and possibly artifacts towards helping in the fight against the Others and a variety of other info Sam could learn there , which could include dragons , the Wall , general magic etc. Perhaps later on in the narrative Sam may become Grand Maester or an archmaester and be able to try and reform the Citadel away from monopolizing and limiting knowledge and literacy within Westeros (for their person own gain) which in turn is a huge reason for the suppression of progress on the continent for literally 1000s of years. Per my superchat during this stream , with the mural of the Leviathan fighting a Kraken at the Merman's Court could be a hint that Sam (who has multiple times been referred to as a whale) may take some intervention to stop or slow Euron at Old Town before Sam flees up North. Of course not in a brawn / physical combative way but perhaps instructing some type of key maneuver or helping activate the Hightower or some type of magic he reads about or makes a plea to the Hightowers to take action etc. GRRM would surely opt for a brains over brawn situation. Not something I am totally convinced about but might be something Sam helps with before he heads back North. A side note , one of the few times Old Town has been sacked , two of which were from a Samwell (Starfyre) and an Iron Born leader so that could be another hint of a clash between Sam and Euron at Old Town. Not totally sure if that will happen or how it will manifest but if it did it is likely some type of cerebral act that stops or slows Euron from Sam. Though I still think Sam’s main contribution will surely be finding and providing vital info about the Others. Great stream Robert , can't wait to see the vital role Sam will play in the remaining two books.

[@AndrewK23777]

@@fvefve12 good points and references there ; neither of which I ever thought about relative to Sam or the maesters and / or any theories I have about them but they definitely work. The Archimedes idea definitely is exactly what i was thinking with Sam (with my superchat during the stream), clearly he is not going to do anything in a physical / combat way but perhaps before he flees back North I could see some type of cerebral intervention to help against Euron at Old Town. As you said similar to Archimedes using the Hightower or some other / similar way of using the tower itself or arising some type of manuever intervention with the ships or something against Euron ; likely any of which would likely be something he reads about / discovers at the Citadel library. Sam could even make a plea to get the Hightowers themselves to take / action get involved. I just think at the Merman's Court the Leviathan / whale battling a Kraken mural I mentioned in the original comment here , the fact that 2 of the 3 times Old Town was sacked one was by a Samwell (Starfyre) and the other an Iron Born leader definitely seems to suggest some type of clash between Sam and Euron even if its a cerebral action / maneuver from Sam. The main purpose / function from Sam will be finding information about defeating the Others and bringing it back up North and though i am not 100% convinced i do think it is possible Sam will have some type of intervention against Euron at Old Town before he flees up North.

[@ArtOfficialKreations]

If Sam plays a significant role in Euron’s demise (ie: that kraken/leviathan depiction from the merman’s mural), I think it may involve him blowing the horn of winter.. (perhaps without the knowledge of its power)

[@AndrewK23777]

@@ArtOfficialKreations that is also a possibility. I do think that horn is more tied to the fight against the Others , possibly raising the Stark dead for example , as it seems that is the horn Joramun used in the fight against the books' Night's King. But perhaps at another seeming magical hinge at Battle Isle / the Hightower it may be able to be used for some type of purpose / action against Euron. I definitely will not rule it out , as it may do different things at a different location ; though i still think its main purpose is against the Others and i have my doubts it will be used twice in the narrative but anything is possible and it is a good thought.

[@tgfitzgerald]

Totally agree about Randall Farley! It was heartbreaking the way he treated Sam. Anyone would be lucky to have a son like Sam...I just love him.

[@robertshick8992]

I could listen to you reading a cereal box. I love the content. Keep it coming

[@Hochspitz]

Your stamina over almost 2 and a half hours is quite extraordinary! Time differences means that I never watch live and this one I keep coming back to. Sam's mission to the Citadel is clearly related to so much. He surely learn of Euron as well and might be able to warn the Hightowers. If Sam was in a game, he would be a "cleric" support character who provides knowledge, healing etc.

[@danjordan1]

Deeper!

[@Djynni]

Melisandre knowing the babies were switched: it is very clear in the books that Melisandre primarily sees what she is looking for. She says that she knows she's not in danger because that's always the first thing she looks for in the fire, etc.

[@Djynni]

Sam & "The Death of Dragons": if he does see the book and perhaps gets a chance to read some of it, he might recognize later if someone DOES try to do something from the book to kill one or more of the dragons. And certainly it might come in handy to know how to kill a dragon if Euron gets control of one.

[@annawisdomsdottir4947]

Ironically...with Jon "dead" Mel might decide to sacrifice Baby Sam as Mance's child and there won't really be anyone but Val who knows that the child she cares for is really Gilly's. Unlikely that Mel will believe Val thinking she is making up the story to protect her child!!!! Baby Sam was meant as a sacrifice to the Night's King (ice) and may be sacrified to the Red God (fire).

[@PBRStreetgang]

wow, i never considered that possibility before. that would be such a grrm thing to do : )

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

Then why burn Shereen?

[@Brian-gx3rj]

@@Jennifer-di4nl because Jon would likely confirm Val's baby swap story post-resurrection which would lead to another sacrifice

[@jamiemckenna2254]

Excited for this, as I only caught the last bit of the livestream. Thank you, Ser Robert the Scholar Wight @in deep geek (Andrew K came up with the name after much back & forth 😂.) Cheers! 🍷

[@corbinskywalker]

Going deep!

[@prinzessinnenundraben802]

Questions that came to my mind during the stream: No. 1: Who knows of the baby swap who is still at the Wall? Does Val know? No. 2: re: "dragonsteel" = Valyrian steel. When the Others where around the last time, was Valyria already established? Therefor, was Valyrian steel a thing? This leads to a huge digression about timelines. Like, when did the last Others disappear, so that the Night's Watch (and Westeros in general) forgot about them? When did Valyria start producing their unique magical steel? If Valyria and their products appeared only after the Night's Watch's historians wrote their piece about dragonsteel, does that mean dragons were around before Valyria was? And someone, not the Valyrians, used dragon's magic to make steel?

[@TheINSANATY]

Watch Lucifer Means Lightbringer, he explained that Valyria is a succesor to the Great Empire of the Dawn which were the original dragonriders up until the Bloodstone Emperor who was also the first Azor Ahai who intentionally created the Long Night. The Others, in the other hand, suspect them that they were meant to be a WMD created by both the CotF and First Men in order to counter dragons but were hijacked by the BE.

[@howlandsmovingcastle1795]

Dragons were definitely around before Valyria was established. Their roots of origin are in ancient Asshai and the Great Empire of the Dawn, which was likely also affected by the Long Night. As mentioned above LML and a couple of others have extensive theories on this, really interesting stuff if/when you have the time to delve into it!

[@TheINSANATY]

@@fvefve12 that is in the show, but in the books it was hinted that dragons very much existed since the Dawn Age, in the GEotD which is speculated that it is the ancestrial empire to the Valyrian Freehold and the Targaryens, the fact never mentioned them is simply becouse the showrunners replaced history with sex jokes in GoT, denying to explain the key historic events like the first Long Night and how it actually ended, leaving only space to politacal drama, tits and dragons. The books in the other hand, along with the world book The World of Ice and Fire and F&B gives us a more complex history and portrays the main event as a parallel to the historic events like the Age of Heroes, Dawn Age, the Long Night and all the way up to the Dance of Dragons which end up being a culmination between varios different conflicts and probably explain how the Others were defeated the first time they tried to conquer Westeros.

[@mistymathis257]

Excellent as always!

[@stillobsolete]

In regards to the Sam/Small Paul scene: I think you are correct, that the armor stops the dagger. I cannot find it, but there is a passage in which someone says that dragonglass works on the Others but iron and fire are sufficient for the wights.

[@kerrirae]

If I am recalling correctly, Randyl Tarley said the life of servitude that the maesters have is beneath their status as a Tarley. I think sending him to the wall was as much about making a "real man" out of him by forcing him into battle and most importantly, to forfeit any right to inheritance.

[@jacobenke7936]

I do have a question about that. Randyll Tarly does not strike me as a man who leaves things to chance. If Randyll is THAT bad, he would have had Sam killed once they were safely away from his lands. Sam was under NO obligation to say the words once Randyll's men left him there. Which is another thing, because that's a huge damn expense to send him to the Wall out of your own pocket. George uses unreliable narration all the time, along with characters who somehow don't think about the things that matter. The first glimpse we get of Sam is in the yard. We don't know what Tarly's men said to Thorne or Mormont. I can't see Randyll using warlocks from Qarth for anything. Far more likely Sam made that one up. Personally, I think it far more likely that Sam did something, and Randyll reacted quickly to a situation that would have damaged his house. At the very least, by the standards of Westeros, Sam would have made an extremely ineffective Lord among a people where strength at arms and leadership are necessary to everyday life. I'm not even going to start on Sam's acts of 'heroism' or 'honor'. Each one is motivated only by self-preservation. Jon might be dead without Sam, but Sam would DEFINITELY be dead without Jon. By modern standards Sam is fine, as a lord in a feudal society he is very much not. I 100% agree with Randyll's decision in any case. It will be interesting to see Book Randyll's reaction to Sam. I don't see that ending well for anyone unless Sam can hold off and NOT impregnate Gilly. If he does, he's twice an oathbreaker in Randyll's eyes, and he'll also ask where Gilly came from. This was a terrible idea. I could see Randyll giving Gilly a small sack of coin and kicking her out. (and Gilly will not be welcome at the citadel. she has no real trade skill, so how will she keep herself in Oldtown? Man, I need to reread how they were keeping themselves in Braavos. You see where I'm going with this. As to the Citadel, it's not just the servitude. The maesters had a direct hand in the downfall of House Targaryen, and like it or not Randyll is a die-hard dragon man. He gave Robert his only defeat at Ashford, while Mace was taking his time up the Roseroad Randyll led the Van of the Reach in their push to Storm's End. What happened in the show will never happen in the books. No way in hell does Randyll ally himself with the Lannisters. I could see him turning on the Tyrells, however. He was pissed after the rebellion, when the army of the reach was wasted by requiring forty thousand men to besiege a garrison of old men and green boys. He became more and more pissed watching the Tyrells sell Margaery repeatedly like a common whore. Sadly, I see Sam living for awhile, unless he becomes a blood sacrifice made by Euron. (If I'm being honest, I'm kind of hoping for that)

[@JoniukasVader]

In Deep!

[@ashalee1016]

Blood raven being interested in sam is pretty early. not only does the raven try running him off at kraster's keep, the ravens did save Sam and Guillie and her kid in White Tree, when he's attacked by small paul and other whites, shouting him to run, and running him right into coldhand's arms. As for the wall blocking magic; Varimier six skins admits to having warged into orel's eagle from north of the wall to see things going on south of it during the battle with Lord Snow. The info Mance uses during the parley suggests this is true.

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

I wish I could donate to this guy. But with the while corona thing I can't 😢 Just wanted to say thank u for sharing your work regardless, I look forward to your videos every week.

[@jennifermorrisy8610]

Dude, you are a great content guy🙌 Always love your work

[@ThommyofThenn]

He does seem really happy in life true

[@alexboon9035]

In the books, Randall Tarly told Sam that Maesters served other lords and no Tarly should live in service to others.

[@therunningman_]

Samwell videos... I will be watching this video back to back. Love me some Sam

[@magister343]

I like to imagine that at the top of the High Tower there is the world's largest and post powerful Glass Candle, which when lit lets one see everything beyond the wall.

[@Trollogrefey]

45:00 I was pretty sure it was established within the books themselves that the reason why dragonglass works on the Others and not the Wights is cause the Others are beings of magic whereas the wights are still fleshy and made of otherwise ordinary matter and thus are not really affected by magical items since the body itself is not inherently magical. Unfortunately I don't recall where in the books it was said because I am fairly sure it was said in the books (I think it could be in a sam chapter in book 4 but I just don't recall).

[@bevindennett]

GRRM PLANNED IT ALL

[@stillobsolete]

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[@everdawn8212]

Thanks for all the content! I’ve got my daughter watching you too. As to Heartsbane, Sam gave that to Jorah for the fight against the WW in the show didn’t he? So the stealing of the sword was paid off.

[@deenafrederick322]

I had the same thought about Heartsbane. I guess Robert forgot

[@moiraferreira]

What about Jon as eventually be provided that he has Kings blood?

[@leejohnson179]

Yay for Samwise Tarlee and his rosie Gillie!

[@mayasoley4847]

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned, George was raised catholic and within that religion knowledge can be considered light. So Samwell Tarly “bringing knowledge” north, as you said almost exactly dozens of times in this video, would make him the “light bringer”

[@karenthomas1456]

My only issue with Sam becoming Grand Maester is that Sam was only in training for five minutes. (I haven't got that far in the books so maybe I'm wrong?)

[@jacobenke7936]

yup. and he has a wife and kid. it made zero sense in the show.

[@ImmaBeastx2]

Does anyone see it as a possibility for Sam to be captured, even enslaved by Euron, and brought back North by sea? This would be a much darker alternative, but I think it fits thematically. I could see Euron using him for information or a way to achieve some sort of plan in the north. Not really thought through, just an idea!

[@vanuaturly]

Lord of the rings is like mt Fuji in Japanese art. If you can't see mt Fuji, it is either because the artist is deliberately avoiding it or because you are standing on it. For all of grrm's protests, he is standing on tolkien.

[@LarisaBayaMomo]

Sam is my favorite Character ❤

[@annawisdomsdottir4947]

Another "false spring" perhaps?

[@LittleHammer_]

Interesting theory on the baby swap. I still think Aegon is indeed legitimately a Targaryen and if he is indeed truly Aegon then he, Jon n Dany would be the three heads of the Dragon as in the prophecy

[@ArtOfficialKreations]

Could it be that, in addition to “king’s blood”, there is more magical potential in the blood of innocents? (Hence, the significance of Mance’s infant child, and Euron’s unborn baby)?? Perhaps the more heinous the sacrifice, the greater the “miracle”? Whadya think? Also, 43:16 ? I must know, what on earth is a ‘hopeless optimist’? bit of a contradiction in that phrase.. lol. :) P.S. - love the whole series analysis and all the commentary. Thx for the wonderful content! Valar Morghulis

[@brandonlambert9768]

I don't think Mel is going to try to sacrifice Gilly's son to clear a path to Stannis but to resurrect Jon, but she'll find out beforehand about the baby swap, and she'll sacrifice Shireen.

[@tracymetherell8744]

I think she will use Stannis’s daughter for that.

[@brandonlambert9768]

Or she won't and Monster and Shireen and maybe even Patchface will all be sacrificed.

[@sinjun1973]

It's been a couple years since I reread the books but I honestly don't recall Maester Aemons body or Gilly and the baby getting off the Cinnamon Wind. Sam told her to wait for him and he never came back is how I do remember it. Measter Marwyn hopped on the Cinnamon Wind and left to find Daenerys. Did I miss something? Am I miss remembering? Or did Gilly just take off for Meereen by accident? She'd be kind of safe, her and the baby... I know you say he'll take her to Horn Hill soon but where exactly is she?

[@Smurffies]

You should do a livestream about the far East. And more mythical aspects of A Song of Ice and Fire

[@trfaison]

I suppose Jon may have been thinking Young Sam Gilly's baby was lucky to not have been sacrificed to the Others as he is Crastor's son and Gilly had in fact witnessed sons were to be given up. I would imagine Jon would have factored that in and figured that Gilly would be amenable. Not that I personally believe one baby is lesser than the other

[@juliangomez-jordan726]

Randyll Tarly didn't send Sam to the Citadel because he believed no Tarly man should ever be a servant (which measters are). Sam said as much to Jon in order to avoid going to the Citadel.

[@jacobenke7936]

I don't think we can believe everything Sam says.

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

Hey! Awesome stream! Stupid question...... But if Gilly secretly has the baby with "king's blood" with her what's to stop Mel from burning Gilly's true baby that is left at the wall. We know that the baby left there isn't mances baby but if Mel doesn't know that she could decide to burn the child thinking that it's Mances ???!!! When the time comes is someone going to tell Mel that that isnt Mances child ??? How could Gilly be ok with that?

[@TheINSANATY]

I think that Mel already knows about the baby swap from one of her visions in her fires, and the one gets burned will be Shireen as sacrifice to ressurect Jon.

[@rationaltrekker2509]

The difference regarding the Citadel's view of science and reason vs magic and our own is that in their world magic DOES exist - at least as far as we the readers can tell. If that's true, then magic denial is as senseless as science denial in the real world. At the same time, Galadriel's question to Sam Gamgee in LotR comes to mind: she's not sure what he means by "magic" because he uses the same word for the art of the Elves and the deceits of the Enemy. What is "magic" in the world of Ice and Fire?

[@johnwhelan9663]

I am amazed that nobody picks up on the fact that A FEAST FOR CROWS ends on a cliffhanger, with Sam about to be offed by a faceless man, just after Sam has been pumped for all the biographical information the faceless man needs to impersonate Sam. It's not just that readers believe and hope Sam will escape this threat -- they are oblivious to any hint that Sam was ever in any danger. Meanwhile, Sam has delivered Aemon's kingsblood corpse, Mance's kingsblood baby, Aemon's books of dragon lore, and the magic horn, to an evil cabal of blood mages and assassins. Looks like someone's about to wake a stone dragon somewhere, and Viserion, Rhaegal & Drogon will have some competition.

[@jacobenke7936]

Jaqen is Rhaegar. Just saying.

[@jacobenke7936]

You can tell by his obsession with Arya.

[@janeweiss4608]

As an idea, would you have a discussion about Quiathe, and whether or not you think her identity is important and who she possibly is? I really haven't seen too many people talking about her outside of reddit and AsoIaF forums. Thank you for hosting these streams and making your videos. It always makes my evenings better.

[@brandonlambert9768]

I hope the How to kill Dragons book doesn't come into play. If Dany's dragons did it will be in a battle between her and either FAgeon or Euron over the God's eye with FAgron or Euron on Viserys and Dany on Drogon and with Rhaegal either helping her without a rider or with Jon riding him. Didn't Martin say there will be a repeat of the dance of dragons.

[@annawisdomsdottir4947]

BUT but but The Others were not actually defeated. They may have been pushed back beyond the wall or into some state of "sleep" or "suspension" but here they are again.

[@feral7523]

Toggs Teats!! good stuff. quick question do you think its possible that Jaqen might end up going up north with Sam?

[@victoriagill1588]

Lol, the slip of "truth of....policy/prophecy" made me laugh so much. 🤣

[@SHARKVADERS]

IDG!!!

[@h.dwaynearchibald3371]

I wonder if Marwin is aware of Euron's shenanigans off the Redwine coast with the krakens and what he thinks about it...

[@ellymizrahi1199]

I’m surprised that anyone would think that Randyl would honor Sam by sending him to the Citadel to learn and read: a few of his favorite things. I mean, the first thing he says about him is that he told Sam how much glee he would get from telling his mother that he died. So knowing that he’s sending Sam to something so horrid, I just imagine Randyll tooling around with his little Dickon thinking about it. Tho, I’m also a bit surprised at show Sam when Maester Ebrose tells him to copy those manuscripts after healing Jorah because Sam looks like he’s dejected and punished, whereas I assumed that was Maester Ebrose’s way of saving face while still rewarding Sam by tasking him with his favorite thing. I’d even consider that he did so also hoping to give Sam the knowledge he needed about Jon, Valyrian Steel, if I wasn’t absolutely sure that almost no Maester would be crafty enough for that. I’m not totally finished with the books yet, but I do hope what there is about Randyl is true to the show as well (or the show being true to the books or whatever) because I LOVE that they got James Faulkner to portray him. I teach high school Latin and I show “I, Claudius” to my upper levels while they’re working on independent studies and he’s Herod in it (his first televised role, in fact). If I could get away with it, I’d find an excuse to show GoT and Bridget Jones’ in which he plays her weird grope-y uncle. An amazing talent with huge range. And the scenes of him when he appears more prominent towards the end really pay off how awful Sam makes him out to be since Sam’s first appearance. Like, seeing Sam freeze up and ask Gilly not to call the baby Randyll and then seeing them all trying to have a meal together with the tension in the room was just a little bit of payoff and I loved it.

[@daricklapaglia4337]

Jon has kings blood too

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

Sam did want to tell Jon...came close once. That's why Sam will be Brans Master, he can keep a secret.

[@ShadeoftheEvening]

Septon Shefton kind of reminds me of Sam. "I'm fat, not deaf". And he's a huge gossip😍💙✌

[@davidfinch7810]

No way will Sam steal Heartsbane, Randall is one of the best commanders left in the story with Stannis, he is vital to the war against the others and Randall is a true soldier, he will always be wearing his sword or have it close to hand. Every soldier is taught to keep their personal weapon on your person or within arms reach at all times in the modern-day and a militaristic commander like Randall will have that same mentality, it certainly won't just be left unguarded on a mantlepiece, Valyrian steel is far too valuable to be left like that. Heartsbane will go north with Randall, there are over 200 Valyrian steel swords in Westeros, I think a huge number of them will likely be in the Reach and the Stormlands with houses we haven't heard much about, just stowed away in vaults. Randall will not stick by the Lannisters, he will remain loyal to the Tyrells, nothing suggests otherwise. He will take the Tyrell army north later in the story. The Tyrells and Tarleys/reach armies will end up backing young Griff and that is likely how they take Kings Landing.

[@Midgert89]

Randyll will side with Aegon as the reach did in the rebellion and cast Cersei and the Tyrells down for betraying what he thinks is the targaryen heir. He and Aegon will fight Dany. You read it here first.

[@davidfinch7810]

@@Midgert89 Tyrell is likely to go to Aegon too, I can see Margery being offered to Aegon when Tommen mysteriously dies. If anyone tries to take over the Tyrells, it will be the Hightowers, they will likely support anyone who is against a Targaryen like they have literally every time. The Tarlys are not the main opposition to the Tyrells, they never have been, the Hightowers are the other dominant power in the Reach. The Tyrells are similar to the Umbers in the North or the Waynewoods in the Vale, powerful but not the main opposition to the main Lords. I think people are fixated on a Tarly betrayal because of the show but the show is bullshit and they didn't even acknowledge the Hightowers.

[@Midgert89]

@@davidfinch7810 I think Euron Greyjoy will kill most of the hightowers, he seems deadset on oldtown. Randyll Tarly and Mace Tyrell don't get along at all. I can certainly see both of them wanting to side with Aegon but given Margaery being married twice to a Lannister Aegons team might not trust them. Randyll is set to meet Aegon and the Golden Company early in TWOW, well before Mace will get a chance, and we know Jon Connington takes Storms End pretty easily. My money is on Randyll defecting, citing the Tyrell failiure to aid the Targaryen crown decicively in the rebellion as a motivation to take up arms for Aegon (in exchange for highgarden). This will start the snowball effect leading to the Lannister control of kings landing collapsing very quickly.

[@davidfinch7810]

@@Midgert89 At no point does it say that Mace and Randyll don't get along? Where did you read that? Randyll had many an opportunity to go against Mace, he is one of Mace Tyrell's main bannermen and commands the Reach armies leading the vanguard himself.

[@Midgert89]

@@davidfinch7810 It's more implicit, but it goes back to Mace taking credit for winnging against Robert at Horn Hill when Randyll did all the work, ontop of him being useless at the Siege of Storms End when Rhaegar and the Royalists fought at the trident. It is not stated outright but somewhat hinted at.

[@ahmedelegimi7218]

Ok i dont know if this is a famous theory or not ... but .. jon did not dead ... the red women swab him with tormand as she dead with the king behind the wall ...

[@RolloTonéBrownTown]

1:46:06 who knows? Maybe we'll get a Ghost pov of Jon sniffing some she-wolfs butt and slaver running down his chops

[@grantzwingelberg8752]

I think John’s Azora high moment will come with him being reborn on Sherins funeral pyre. It will be smoke from the fire and salt from the tears of Sherin

[@jarnobrofelt1891]

Yeah, it fits perfect. Jon is Targ (dragon) and Shireen is stone (because greyscale, stoneman etc). And then dragon rise from stone.

[@brent4138]

Or Salt from the cellars or Eastwatch

[@liberTvalance]

How much would you love for Randal tarly to be sent to the wall and call Sam a coward in front of wolfy Jon?

[@pexrinne5144]

Bloodraven made Lyanna and Rhaegar meed also, right ?

[@AllyCatmeow]

Why can't Mel use Jon's King's blood? Will she notice that he has King's blood?

[@themannis479]

How would she know?

[@nicolekapella7234]

I disagree with your take on Randall sending Sam to the wall. Originally Sam tries to refuse Jon's order to become a maester because Sam is terrified of his father's reaction. Randall Tarly sees maester's as servants and sees a Tarly (including Sam) becoming a servant as a disgrace. I don't remember the exact quote but Jon said something like Sam doesn't have a father anymore only brothers. Noble families view the Night's Watch as honorable, there is no shame attached.

[@MADKIDD623BHN]

Randall didn't want sam to be around at all...The citadel is too close to home. sending him to the wall was the closest thing to killing hom without cursing himself...

[@brent4138]

I can't believe this just occurred to me: Jon killed Shareen! Melisandre will want to burn the baby, but realize it's not Mance's baby so she will have to burn Shireen. So Jon killed Shireen by swapping the babies

[@brandonlambert9768]

Lucifer Means Lightbringe's theory that the baby swap is a parallel to one of the Night's King and Night's Queen's being stolen and raised as a Stark seems likely.

[@benjaminfink8393]

I'm mid-video right now, but two things arose to the top of my mind: first is about Monster. If he is being sought by the WW (they tracked Sam to recover the babe), it seems that there is likely to be an attack at the wall with the goal of recovering Monster. The second thing I thought regarded Euron having King's Blood. I'm not sure that it is the designation of the person who gives blood that matters. I think it has to do with how valued the person is to those who offer sacrifice. Recall that at the Faceless Men charge a high price for an assassination, yet it's within the persons ability to pay. I think that blood sacrifices follow the same pattern. Kings are valued by their subjects (in theory), but so too are babies valued by their mothers, or a sister to a brother. My hypothesis is that the blood sacrifice has to be from someone of relevant importance to those present to channel magic.

[@jacobenke7936]

I was wondering what others thought about the story Sam tells when he arrives at the Wall. I don't believe Randyll Tarly would ever traffic with Qartheen Warlocks. I do believe that Randyll forced Sam to take the Black, but there are things we've not been told. Sam is entirely too good at manipulating people, and even his manipulation does not explain how many brothers voted for Jon. The vote should have been close if that was the only thing going on. Sam does what is best for him, repeatedly. We've seen no direct evidence that Sam is all that much smarter than anyone else at the Wall, only that he knows how to read. Jon learned early on that a man got what he earned at the Wall, and Sam hasn't done nearly enough to earn the treatment he receives. He'd be dead without Jon, for a certainty. Thorne, despite his hatred of Jon, would not piss off Stannis by acting openly. I think we're going to learn that Thorne had no part in the mutiny. It seems to be a conspiracy among the stewards, particularly those who favored rejecting Stannis on behalf of the Lannisters. This is interesting, since we know that Cersei's council wants Jon dead. A living son of Eddard Stark is a serious threat to their influence in the North. And I do believe that Jon is the son of a male Stark by Ashara Dayne in the books. Jon gets far too many mentions of Dayne and Stark imagery in his PoVs, and nothing from the Targaryens. (It's also physically impossible for Jon to be the child born in the tower if things really went down that way. He was born during the Sack.)

[@Villani_AV]

The armor isn't getting reanimated so I would put my money on the fact that the armor was intact

[@ardaraith]

Point made - no one left at the wall knows the baby isn’t Mance’s child. I guess Val knows....

[@Slechy_Lesh]

2:30

[@Rune_Scholar]

Don't we mean IF Jon is resurrected?

[@shef7074]

Yes, but it's kinda obvious. Of couse GRRM like doing this to main characters, but that'll be a giant middle finger to everyone and there's evidence he'll probably come back.

[@inthefade]

I'm going to make a strange prediction here off the top of my head: There is going to be some timey-wimey magic that happens, and we will see many of the main characters be sent back in time and become the gods in the story in some way or another. It all feels cyclical, and I think the logical conclusion of that will be that everything happening now recursively causes itself. It's got a sci-fi twist that suits Martin's writing. I haven't thought it through really, and maybe it's just a dumb tinfoil idea. But I'm going to start thinking of which characters match which gods, if any.

[@mercurydylan899]

Jon wasn’t manipulative. I don’t think he said that much brutal stuff. It made total sense, he is going to reveal to Melisandre that “ha! That isn’t a kings baby. You won’t or can’t sacrifice that you crazy bitch”. By that point the kings blood is gone. Of course holly is sad for leaving her baby. She is assured he won’t be killed (because why? It’s not Mance baby) so she is doing the right thing, as is Jon.

[@mercurydylan899]

Also he got rid of Aemon, which is brilliant. Sadly with Jon dead, I hope that wee baby boy or Gilly’s ain’t burnt alive. 🤞

[@karenthomas1456]

Is the start missing? You're in the middle of a question when the video starts.

[@marcemarc6516]

Sending him to the wall makes him give up lands and titles. Failing at a measter still allows him to have titles and lands

[@jacobenke7936]

i'll just point out that Sam was under no obligation to say the words if Sam's story is 100% true. and I don't think it is.

[@annawisdomsdottir4947]

IF Jon is such an important part of the Bloodraven "plot" might Bloodraven be the one to "push" Jon out of his dire wolf Ghost and back into his body? IF that occurs might Bloodraven has a chance to influence "how" Jon will change upon return--his personality? It bothers me quite a lot that all the players in the Game of Thrones are manipulated by Bloodraven and Varys--pawns who do thing neither wants and requires them to reset their various strategies but not "real" people with goals and motivations that can be called truly their own. Seems shallow and a bit boring if I say so.

[@jinxedsphinx3600]

Who said Bloodrsjkkmmmmmmmm

[@SamsonUno]

WHAT

[@flintliddon]

He is not trying to insult Sam. I believe you are way off base there

[@LoneWolf-ro9sj]

you stiil have 2 more big caracters to make videos of....the 2 puppeteers varys and littlefinger

[@jodyjones4928]

8

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

Ayria will have to kill a dragon. She will be the only one who can get close enough.

[@UncleGwendolyn]

Not watched this yet. Yet (just starting now) but am I the only one who assumed Sam is essentially G RRRRRRRRR Martin?