India’s Project 15A and 15B Destroyers: Blending Capabilities from Across the Globe

By Eric Wertheim
February 2024 Proceedings Vol. 150/2/1,452

[@IndyRider]

I dont think any other country can accomplish having both European and Russian equipment on the same platform. This is a testament to diplomacy where a country can maintain strong relations with both sides of the aisle.

[@purujitparashar4642]

Well we only have 1 enemy. Rest all are dandha partners

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

It is a cross between a donkey and a horse. what is that called? LOL

[@gulag88]

​@@KittyCat-qg4vdit is called *Xi Jinping* 😂 BTW, long live country of Taiwan 🇹🇼

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@gulag88 dumb. And this is how In di ans roll. LOL

[@pedrohaonade531]

What it means is that you can not make it yourself, and you seem proud of it, but do not forget that there will never ever be your friend or enemy forever in an international relationship but national interest. I am wonder if Ukraine still can provide india with the engine for the ship?

[@jiteshverma9589]

Indo-Russian Brahmos, Indo-Israeli Baraks, US Sea King Helicopters, German and Indian SONAR, European based CIWS, etc etc. Seems entire world collaborated in making this ship!

[@pedrohaonade531]

So everyone can make some money 💰 , everyone happy. 😂

[@Damian_Henry]

Even Ukraine and Russian working together for this ship😂

[@abhishekdev258]

CIWS is Russian

[@productguru8323]

Even the hull is hardly made in India. The steel has to be imported

[@Damian_Henry]

@@productguru8323 🤫shhh we are no १ superpower

[@drianmortiz9375]

Another naval innovation for India ✌️✌️👍👍

[@user-bi6qx9iv6q]

Go go go and GOD Bless India. From Philippines

[@ancientwarrior2374]

God Bless Philippines , my friends are studying at Cebu and are in Medical college . Both countries will always stand strong against common adversary !

[@user-bt8vn3dj6o]

A capable warship.

[@Aneesh-Roy444.]

A piece of junk 🗑️ 🚮🗑️...! Not even have any specifications that requires to be called a destroyer like the American Arleigh burke class destroyer...A true Naval king 👑...

[@diganta8286]

​@@Aneesh-Roy444. Chamcha spotted

[@djmoh.6509]

​@@Aneesh-Roy444. Brown Koole spotted

[@Aneesh-Roy444.]

@@djmoh.6509 what does that supposed to mean...? You retard..,

[@RajnishMirikar-bq5cv]

@@Aneesh-Roy444. allah nallah hai.

[@mkdeepak4798]

Proud to be part of these ships .. We have made this ship and also giving services on board at sea in current as an engineering in Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited.. Proud of my ❤MDL..

[@into_the_void]

Indian warship technology has evolved very well ... The submarine fleet needs immediate attention tho.. the Chinese threat is imminent

[@user-lu5qt4gb5u]

7400 tons, a total of less than 5 ships, not as good as China's 052d. China's 052d already has more than 30 ships, while 055 has 10 ships, with 13000 tons.

[@shikharashish7616]

​@@user-lu5qt4gb5uThose are busy in south China sea and Taiwan. India is unchallenged in its backwaters for now

[@shadow_edits03]

​@@user-lu5qt4gb5u see we build our navy for our backwaters. We aren't blue sea navy.. BUT we are very capable in our back water .. even usa would face danger in challenging india in its back water.. even though they will eventually win 😂 and for china it won't win against us in indian ocean

[@ashishranjan3051]

@@user-lu5qt4gb5u last time i checked China latest Type 071 was on fire lol, Their navy is still does not fall in blue water capable

[@edwardwhitebeardnewkatt2726]

​@@user-lu5qt4gb5u Tonnage after a certain limit has no particular advantage as anti-ship missiles can take out even an aircraft carrier.....which means it will be more beneficial to have multiple warships with medium tonnage(around 8000-9000)..advantages will be not all eggs in one basket, ease of maintenance and repair, maintenance can be scheduled such that waters aren't unsecured as there are multiple ships instead of one, less operating cost, ease of recovery if ship becomes submarine like moskova😅

[@pranayrawool2998]

Indian Navy Dominating Arabian sea ,Bay of Bengal & Indian Ocean region's 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@donhiggins629]

And that's about all it can do ...India needs so much more

[@Rudraksh-ql4ce]

​@@donhiggins629 We're happy staying in the indian ocean. We have no plans to be a hegemon like US. All we want is peace ✌️

[@arunsarrati2606]

@@Rudraksh-ql4ce But we have to plane for future.

[@shikharashish7616]

​@@donhiggins629 Most of the global trade passes through that region so India doesn't need a very large navy but still good numbers of ships

[@rohitb5834]

@@donhiggins629 any idea how large is the IOR? Anyway, the Indian Navy also operates in the South China Sea and Western Mediterranean.

[@nitinvishwakarma1158]

Proud shareholder of Mazagaon Dock 😅❤

[@rajrony9374]

How many shares 10 gareeb admi

[@nitinvishwakarma1158]

@@rajrony9374 bhai, aap ki kitani hain ?

[@saikiranrao194]

Ed wants to know ur location 😂

[@eye1158]

@@nitinvishwakarma1158 haha What color is your Mazagaon stock?

[@AbhishekButola]

Hmm nice shall i add it to my portfolio

[@shivajivythilingam8685]

Proud to be an indian🇮🇳❤️🙏👍.... Glory to indian Navy.

[@adolft_official]

thenks sarr, very praud

[@RahuluddinGandhy]

​@@adolft_officialOk Abdul! 😂

[@pranjitsaikiawrthunderx1648]

Indian Navys Kolkata Class & Vishakapatnam Class Destroyers 🤩👍

[@smitprmr]

Our Battle ships has Russian, Ukrainian, Israeli, US, German along with Indigenous equipments. Thats what I shall call universal brotherhood. 😊

[@amitkriit]

Not something to be proud of. Strong defense requires self reliance.

[@smitprmr]

@@amitkriit Sarcasm nai samajta kya?

[@ashishranjan3051]

All those things are made in inida by TOT except some things

[@VerryJerry90]

@@amitkriityou can’t be strong alone no matter the prep in comparison to alliances

[@alphaastro3068]

@@VerryJerry90sarcasm tha

[@amarjeetbadhani3616]

JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@adityaawasthi7221]

jai hind ! glory to india and indian navy

[@sroychowdhury4216]

She guardian in Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal as well as in Indian Ocean.

[@abhisheksharma1065]

Moreover it is indigenous... Thats what matters most...

[@PlasmodiumV]

Most important parts are licensed product from other countries 😕. Radars, engines, missiles, guns all are dependent on foreign support

[@Sanatan6375]

​@@PlasmodiumVno more missiles or radars or guns...all are now available indigenously except engine

[@PlasmodiumV]

@@Sanatan6375 watch the video you 🤡. All the missiles and anti ship gun systems are either israeli or Russian designed. BrahMos runs on Russian made engine and fuels, Barak missile has israeli motors and seekers. Rapid fire guns are either ex soviet or Italian designs. Power generators are from American company Cummins, Radars are from spanish company. Just because few parts of those systems are assembled by indian govt run factories, it doesn’t make them indigenous.

[@ashishranjan3051]

@@PlasmodiumV that same goes to rest of the countries, thats how weapins are made now, even america does the same

[@gulag88]

For F35-Bravo JSF, USA imports Rolls Royce VOTL system based on Russian Yakolyev YAK-140.

[@aadityapratap007]

Godspeed 🇮🇳

[@krishnamurthy6661]

❤❤JaiHindh❤❤

[@rvsenthil7662]

Jai hind 🇮🇳

[@jaai359]

INDIA 🇮🇳💪💪💪

[@souradeepdas7111]

India need numbers to counter China in the sea. We know how capable are the US to stand with India when required, so being self reliant is the only option. Still we need to improve more, at lot is being done, and a lot more is yet to be achieved.

[@pseudosicular7531]

India has the worlds largest aircraft carrier in the Indian ocean - the Indian peninsula

[@productguru8323]

They are no doubt two of the best destroyers in this planet. But come on, China make ships like these in the dozens. India needs to dough out more money to make more of these destroyers and catch up!

[@ykd0011]

Fun fact: US national anthem was written (meaning invented) on a ship, and that ship was made in india by indian company

[@user-qx9bt9tr6t]

Yeah, I read that.

[@Rohit-cj6eb]

This is most globalized destroyer ever exist

[@user-lu5qt4gb5u]

7400 tons, a total of less than 5 ships, not as good as China's 052d. China's 052d already has more than 30 ships, while 055 has 10 ships, with 13000 tons.

[@NS-ll9ur]

​@@user-lu5qt4gb5uwell that is true and I hope we continue the P15 till it's D and E iterations....For The type 55 we have P-18 class under design phase and will have a displacement of 13-14k...keel laying of first ship should be around 2028-29... anywhere between 8-10 ships are planned in the phase 1 and it's first lot will have 4-5 ships...speed is good but needs to be be great if you are willing to play the catch with Chinese though...

[@user-lu5qt4gb5u]

​@@NS-ll9urThe Indian P18 is still a PPT, and the reports I have seen suggest that India plans to only enter service after 2040, with plans to build 8 ships, all of which are estimated to be in service by 2050. At that time, China had already ordered 8 nuclear powered aircraft carriers.

[@NS-ll9ur]

​@@user-lu5qt4gb5u So?? Obviously if keel laying is in 2029 and it is being conceptualised the only place you find it on is Classified Docs and PPTs...and service induction for first ship will be in late 2030s which is completely natural timeline... I mean US also plans to have 10 more Gerald R Ford Class Nuke Powered Super Carriers by 2040s with 6th Gen Platforms...what is the point here?? Besides we have already planned to make atleast 2 ACs by 2040s with atleast 1 being a large CATOBAR which could also be Nuclear Powered is in plans....and another one is soon going to get approval from Govt..besides this new AC came out of nowhere means we are planning to either speed up P18 or to introduce P15 and P 17s successive iterations or both cause its gonna need something on its CBG...so IN future is still understated....

[@user-lu5qt4gb5u]

​@@NS-ll9urLet's chat when there is news about the p18 in India. India plans for 2040? What is that? I only know that India's third aircraft carrier is a glide jump aircraft carrier with a capacity of less than 50000 tons, and it will only be in service after 2030. As for the plan for 2040, it is just a fantasy because India's small nuclear technology and battery ejection are still stuck in PPT. The construction of Chinese nuclear powered container ships has begun, and there are also 5 generations of carrier based aircraft.

[@mohan02]

Bharat Forge recently acquired a 51% stake in the Indian arm of Ukrainian firm Zorya Mashproekt. Zorya's gas turbine powerplants are used in all of India's destroyers and the Talwar class frigates.

[@crazyvideos273]

Suddenly, the entire US media team is interested in India..😂.?thanks to china😂

[@smitprmr]

They are looking for Ukraine type country who can be used against china.

[@ashishranjan3051]

@@smitprmr LOL at the time of war with china , USA will do nothing it will only watch

[@ArshdeepSingh-qd7ng]

​@@smitprmryes exactly they need a country to counter China to which india is not agreeing and have independent foreign policy.That is why the western media's like BBC and all that often show criticisms and useless news on india.

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@smitprmr shhhhh......

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@smitprmr It is more like click bait. It is very easy to make money off Indians.

[@sarathshadow3]

🇮🇳 India 🇮🇳

[@mukundramaprasad3313]

Nice. Whats the need to fire missiles from another vessel? Is it possible to steer this vessel unmanned?

[@user-bl9fj7kf1s]

The major issue is that ships of this size should have a lot more firepower. They should have atleast 32 Brahmos and 56 Barak 8. I think there is space for this but for some reason they are choosing not to have them.

[@rohitb5834]

32 Brahmos isnt possible. Each BrahMos weighs 3 tons, which is almost 3 times heavier than similar Anti ship missiles on warships around the world. So 16 x BrahMos is literally a "heavy" punch. Same with the ASW capabilities. It employs Heavy 533mm torpedos which are 3x heavier than Light torpedoes employed globally on warships.

[@gulag88]

Upon next refit there is possibility of increasing the number of BrahMos as the ship is designed in a way that it's payload capacity can be increased to 11,000 tonne class. P15 is longer, wider, taller & has a bigger hull than Arleigh Burke DDG Flight 3.

[@toten483]

india is currently developing naval variants of VSHORADS , VLSRSAM, and NASMS LR, naval ITCM, BRAHMOS NG and NEW CIWS , BRAHMOS 2 hypersonic , out of which VL SRSAM , ITCM ,Brahmos ng ,VSHORADS might be once inducted into these ships once they go for refit in next 5 years

[@Do_not_search_Adam_seeker_urdu]

They intentionally has left lot of space for future upgrades ,that's why ,not much weapons are deployed currently

[@AbhishekButola]

Do you guys work in navy or are following the updates

[@user-ho1hs3mb8l]

Please send your embassy as soon as possible or any other institute for helping me here in Pakistani punjab

[@ArshdeepSingh-qd7ng]

But we really need to work on the number of nuclear submarines too.We need to have at least 100 submarines for now

[@user-sr3ih8mg6y]

It will cost more than 300 billion dollars and required 3 to 5 decades

[@ArshdeepSingh-qd7ng]

@@user-sr3ih8mg6y No bro submarines are way cheaper.Its the aircraft carriers which costs so much.The price of submarines are in millions not billions.

[@nilayparikh9284]

We need more submarines as well

[@abhishekparmar6702]

Let me tell you guys of a hilarious weird-ism of Indian navy. Back in the day when they started first building a serious blue water navy, subs were understood to be the most complex and most painstaking tech and vehicle to develop and deploy, and nuclear subs (ssn and ssbn) were considered top echelon even among those, so they prioritised developing those, thinking they would take 3-4 decades to develop (indian navy had to start from nothing in that particular case) so they just kinda paces themselves and kept developing it thinking its gonna be half a century before they can realistically deploy something like that. Funnily enough, because project was so focused (ssn and ssbn) and it was basically an undertaking by indian navy (not even indian MoD) the project was fast and and entirely completed and deployed in 30-35 yrs. What it means is india ended up having nuclear powered subs with nuclear ballistic missiles launched from them all on their own in 3 decades. It's basically a Guinness world record for developing and deploying nuclear sub program. So where's the funny part ? Well its too focused, so now india can make as many nuclear powered subs it wants but it cant make a Diesel electric sub.... :/ (indian navy has to basically buy Diesel electric propulsion retail from other accomplished OEMs... 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@rohitb5834]

Maybe the Indian Govt. is not funding the indigenous diesel/electric sub program on priority? Maybe the French are paying good bucks under the table to make sure they get the contracts?

[@abhishekparmar6702]

@@rohitb5834 it's India. 10,000% there's corruption. I have no doubt about that.

[@krityaan]

Guinness record? The *North Koreans* started after and achieved SSBs and SLBMs before us. We need deep reform in our defense manufacturing sector.

[@abhishekparmar6702]

​@@krityaan i checked, soviet union provided 4 whiskey class submarines and china provided 22 romeo class subs to NK. on top of that china gave near full technology transfer and established domestic production facility for indigenous romeo class production and upgradation. we have been needing reform since 1990s regardles. however, navy is most upto date among the three service branches

[@abhishekparmar6702]

@@rohitb5834 i have no doubts about that. 200% that's happening.

[@somap8380]

Surat; what the hell.

[@ResponsibleCitizen001]

I think you missed the other names which are ALSO named after Indian cities.

[@MFitz12]

It is a curious mix of 1960's, 70's, 80's and 2000's technology from many different nations all crammed into one hull and forced to work together.

[@BharathKumarThota-eg8jc]

But still rescuing the lives from indian ocean , rather than forming aliances and making big statmentss only..........

[@user-qx9bt9tr6t]

Sounds backward compatible for many ages then. That's a remarkable achievement.

[@shashanktrivedi27]

All Kolkata class destroyers named after different cities.

[@productguru8323]

They are no doubt two of the best destroyers in this planet. But come on, China make ships like these in the dozens. India needs to dough out more money to make more of these destroyers and catch up!

[@user-qx9bt9tr6t]

We have to grow our economy more first before we can fund more military. It is being done parallelly now.

[@kannanrajan8189]

China have more coastline and more enemy..they need more..

[@user-lb8bg6kj9m]

The 4 x AK-630 CWIS gattling guns are proving really important in defense against drones and drone swarms.

[@wchen315]

The Russians did not have good luck with the Ak630 in black sea.

[@user-lb8bg6kj9m]

@@wchen315 The ship's radar has to detect the incoming drone before the AK-630 can engage it. The gun itself is good. In terms of accuracy, volume of fire, distance, direction and compact size, it's great.

[@msy7023]

It's a classic hybrid has Russia , US, Israeli, India, Europe all dna in it

[@Damian_Henry]

If this ship fails its the collective failure of all world power 😂

[@kishorbalachandran3050]

All foreign equipments build in india by technology transfer.

[@Zagoreni02A]

Decade to build an destroyer, ok for a nuclear carrier, but destroyer shouldnt need that long. 2 years to build it (maybe less if you have good shipyard), 1 year for sea trials and then commission.

[@rohitb5834]

Kolkata Class Destroyers took 10 years to build First of the Vishakapatnam class Destroyer took 8 years to build Third and latest Vishakapatnam Class Destroyer took 6 years to build. So improving... Future destroyers.. hopefully 4-5 years.

[@kishaloyb.7937]

Indian bureaucracy at its finest. Without that, India would progress much faster in all sectors.

[@rohitb5834]

@@kishaloyb.7937The main reason for delay in the construction was the lack of modular construction capabilities of our shipyards. However as of 2024, MDL,GRSE and CSL have been upgraded with modular construction capabilities, thus shortening building period.

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@kishaloyb.7937 Not just Indian bureaucracy. The entire India is in severe moral decay. Nothing really works there.

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@rohitb5834 India lacks much much more that these. LOL

[@objectsmedia4523]

Babu's sitting in their air conditioned offices laughing in the corner

[@AndrewLambert-wi8et]

MACH 2,8 MACH. WHERE DID THIS NAVAL INSTITUTE GET ITS INFORMATION FROM?

[@pokhu9657]

it is , pls do some research

[@kaycey7361]

It's true though

[@shivam6113]

newer variant of brahmos is even faster

[@vickyyadav5723]

If Modi gets elected I'm going to buy shares of DPSU's they look promising......

[@sriharshacv7760]

When I check out the uploader, hm.

[@lavatr8322]

Why would almost Entire world Collaborate on ONE Ship?????.. that too for miilitary Its literally a Showpiece now🤣

[@ferittuzer4629]

destroyer with armament of a corvette.

[@rohitb5834]

cry harder lol

[@user-gr9hy7eq1r]

Like you,buster?????

[@RaviTeja-yw3oq]

Outdated data not up to the mark

[@ajaxjaiswal3442]

Is it hotch-potch of technology?? Good luck India 👍

[@death_parade]

This dude just called a ship that has an Indian Combat Management System with Cooperative Engagement Capability as "hotch-potch of technology." Eh, goes to show what he knows about technology. 🤡

[@user-gr9hy7eq1r]

IT is Hotch Potch itself.....a turd......that wrote these words..

[@RaveSharrma]

When was the last time you made sense in your life?

[@Igreelsyt_]

It's mix of best of technology

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@Igreelsyt_ It is a cross between a donkey and a horse. what is that called? LOL

[@sohandas4096]

You need to update yourself brahmos range crossed 900 km with a speed much more than mach 3.5 all your data r wrong

[@anmolsharma2266]

BUT STILL NOT IN SERVICE

[@sohandas4096]

@@anmolsharma2266 it has recently full tested it will soon be commision Indian defence has many more advance weapons and technology which is not available to public to reduce west prooaganda and Interference

[@death_parade]

@@anmolsharma2266 It is in service. Inventory is in the high hundreds.

[@death_parade]

@@sohandas4096 Calm down. It is almost 900 km. Not "crossed 900km." Go look at that NOTAM again.

[@anmolsharma2266]

@@sohandas4096 majority of our ships still use baseline brahmos

[@Zhilinjain]

Ukrainian Gas Turbines… 😮

[@rajibchakroborthy4181]

Before war

[@kadamaniy1997]

India pay Russia to buy their tech, where Russia uses part of that money to fight Ukraine India pay Ukraine to buy turbines, where Ukraine uses part of that money to fight Russia War promotes business and vice versa.

[@musa7010]

Poor AA defence You can't forward deploy them and from rear their much touted ASh missiles become useless

[@hiteshadhikari]

Did u learn ship and missile tech in your madarsa?

[@Aerrow62]

Did they seriously take 22 years to build just 7 ships!!! They want to be a top military power in asia with this kind of production rate? It still seems under armed for its size.

[@rohitb5834]

those 7 warships arent the only ships India has built in the last 22 years. India has built and commissioned over 40 ships in the last 22 years. Not bad. And as of 2024, India has almost 50 ships under construction, ALL of which will enter service in the next 7 years. One of the largest naval shipbuilders in the world.

[@Aerrow62]

@rohitb5834 Your argument is moot. It's like saying my neighbors built more apartments than me, so my performance is great. This project ran for 22 years now and consumed $7.6 billion for 7 ships that together don't carry enough ammunition to engage a major fleet by global standards. It cost is over a billion dollars per ship. That's half of what it costs for an Arleigh Burke class, which carries three times the payload. Even the numbers you gave sound terrible. Major nations have built 10 times those numbers, including cruise liners that are larger than US aircraft carriers. The production rate is too slow. They have been designing the next generation destroyer for 6 years now.

[@rohitb5834]

@@Aerrow62Neighbors..apartments..what? Anyway, Kolkata and Vishakapatnam Class are adequately equipped for its size and tonnage. Infact they are among the best destroyers in the world today. 1 Bil$+ counts one of the cheapest among its contemporises. There are over 70 Arleigh Burke class ships with more on order. Offcourse the pricetag would be relatively cheaper, as compared to a design with 7 units. Basic economics of scale? No one is taking about Cruise liners or whatever lol. We are talkin about Naval ships. And with those numbers, as of 2024, India stands as the world's 3rd largest Naval Shipbuilder, right behind US and China. India currently has more naval ships under construction than Uk+France combined. Pretty damn impressive.

[@Aerrow62]

@@rohitb5834 The apartment thing is an analogy to your argument of ships in other projects being counted to justify the delay in this one. Economies of scale is not a question mark. It's expected in such projects but we have fetish for luxury. I am talking about production capabilities and telling you that there are plenty of nations that built more ships and bigger ships in the same time both civil and military. China is at number one and its capacity is 232 times the US at number two. China will add over a 140 ships before 2030 making it a 440 ship navy while the US will add three ships every year. They have a production rate that keeps them at number two even though they have only a handful of shipyards that make exclusively a single design.

[@rohitb5834]

@@Aerrow62 We cant compare with China or US. Their defence budget is several times of ours.

[@Obsidian-Nebula]

Wan't bramos supposed to be hypersonic ? What is this lousy 2.8?

[@kashyap_0-0_]

I'm guessing you are referring to Brahmos 2 (its till under development) there's not much news out of drdo yet Still tho, Brahmos is the fastest supersonic "cruise" missile, ballastic is different, anti ship and cruise is for different purposes, i think there are 5 mach missiles, (rudram 2 if im right) agni 5 can go 23 - 24 mach in terminal velocity (not hypersonic on the go)

[@rohitb5834]

Its upto Mach 3. Though some unofficial sources claim that the latest BrahMos-ER variant and BrahMos NG variant can go around Mach 3.5

[@edrd6257]

Looks like a pretty old design for new class of ships. Could have work with some french designers on the design.

[@Rudraksh-ql4ce]

Design is good enough

[@t.4999]

It’s not clothing fashion 😂 grow up and educate yourself on how such ships work. American ships are based off time tested design from 1980-90s. Try defeatist. Them with your pansy fashionable French destroyers 😂 what a moro_n you must be to make such a childish claim

[@edrd6257]

@@Rudraksh-ql4ce good enough is not enough these days.

[@RaveSharrma]

​@@edrd6257this is good enough for the next 2 decades

[@Igreelsyt_]

It's about radar detection not design,.. Us has degine yet unable to ßafeguard ships in red sea by houtis.!!

[@PiadasEyer]

ITS MARMAGAO.. BUT U USE ENGLISH.. SO WHATEVES

[@stevenroger2554]

Junk

[@fun3721]

India is a very confused country. They want integrate everything in one platform. End result.... takes a hell lot of a time to integrate everything in one whole unit. By the time its up and running, the technology becomes obsolete. Now they want to integrate the new tech and the saga continues. Example: By the time they fitted every goodie on to the Su 30 MKIs, the aircraft itself is nearing its life. All of this was fine when India didnt have much money to spend. Now with the economy better, India should get rid of its scarcity mentality and go for specialized platforms.

[@rohitb5834]

confused yes, but India wants the best of everything in a single platform, and thats a good decision. Only thing is, this decision should come quickly without delaying projects. But no lol, technologies dont get obsolete. Vishakapatnam and Kolkata class are among the best Destroyers on this planet. Talking about Su-30MKI, it wont get obsolete before 2040. You have no idea what "nearing its life" means lol

[@fun3721]

@@rohitb5834 I know Mig 21, mirages etc have gone beyond "nearing its life". Su-30 MKI is already 25-28 years old. India is spending 7.5 Billion usd on upgrading it. This upgrade is done because the technology on it is already obsolete.

[@rohitb5834]

@@fun3721 Mirage2000 are not obsolete yet and still capable, atleast till about 2030. Su-30MKI is 22 year old tech (from induction date) and thats nothing lmao. Fighter jet technology dont get "obsolete" for about 40-50 years. Look at the backbone of the USAF, the F-16s. And yes, fighter jets would be upgraded with mid life upgrade packages to stay cutting edge.

[@fun3721]

@@rohitb5834 Haha. I strongly suggest you read up on what / How tech has evolved in the last 25 years since Su 30 was inducted. If you are upgrading implies you have stuff thats obsolete. The backbone of the US you mention about.... is considered old and outdated. They still sell it and make money is completely a different issue.

[@rohitb5834]

@@fun3721Just because Tech evolves , the previous stuff does not become "Obsolete" . Just because Rafale FR2 came out, Rafale FR1 did not become "Obsolete". Just because Rafale FR3 was inducted, Rafale FR2 does not become "Obsolete". In about a couple of years, Rafale FR4 will be inducted, that doesn mean the newly acquired Rafale FR3 of the IAF becomes "Obsolete". Lol. Study the meaning of the word "Obsolete". There are a lot of areas between "State of the art" and "Obsolete". When the Su-30MKI entered service in the early 2000s, alongside the Eurofighter and Rafale, it could have been strongly argued that Su-30MKI is the best of the three, However as Eurofighter and Rafales evolved in tranches, Su-30MKI fell behind. The Super Sukhoi upgrade program plans to bring it along the same technological capability as a Rafale FR3, roughly. Does not mean the existing Su-30MKI or France operating Rafale FR1 or Rafale FR2 is "Obsolete". What is truly obsolete in the IAF. The Mig-21s. Thats it. Remaining all fighters are categorized as 4th or 4.5th gen , similar to what top airforces around the world have.

[@eastbengalregiment6686]

India invanders army

[@rudrapratapsingh6807]

😂 Joker

[@Usaisshitty]

Didn't India give you guys a nation

[@eastbengalregiment6686]

@@Usaisshitty india not give us india just helped Bangladesh for own interest. Muktibahini also fight not only India army. Indian army fight in East front only 14 days. Our muktibahini fight 9 months.

[@hyperactive99999]

Garbage

[@darkassassin4166]

Oho ho CCP bot detected in comments

[@nitinacharya8375]

...In your GFs panty 😂😂😂

[@GoldenBear4321]

@@darkassassin4166yea like how anyone who has a different opinion must be a bot working for the “bad guys” huh

[@darkassassin4166]

@@GoldenBear4321 Lol no its cuz accounts like his just say random stuff without understanding anything and don't reply to your msg once you say something. and if thats Garbage then 99% of destroyers are garbage im going to assume?

[@ashishr1338]

For meaningfull control of IOR, we will need both IAC-2 & 3...by the time IAC-3 comes INS Vikramaditya will not have much life left...therefore we must move ahead with IAC-2 similar to INS Vikrant with intended induction being 2030-2034 while the Indo-French IAC-3 could be inducted by 2038

[@wchen315]

Trouble with Ukrainian turbines? Much of the Ukrainian turbine company was destroyed, so there could be supply and maintenance issues in the future

[@abhisheksharma1065]

Moreover it is indigenous... Thats what matters most...

[@ajwo5984]

lol How is this indigenous?

[@maiholiaw4927]

​@@ajwo5984because it's made in that country, and if you say that there are components that are of foreign technology, then even the US depends on technology from other countries too.

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@maiholiaw4927 Good luck replenishing the missiles or getting spare parts. Israel, Russia and USA are busy at war right now. LOL

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@maiholiaw4927 No, we don't.

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

@@ajwo5984 It is NOT made in India. It is assembled in India.