Indian Motorcycle Forced Harley-Davidson To Do Better (Rushmore Harley)

[@GixxerFoo]

Did Harley-Davidson get it right with the Rushmore Project or do you still prefer the earlier models?

[@STIFFRIDES]

I absolutely love my 2009 Electra Glide police but because it is a police model I have the 103. The Rushmore bikes were definitely an improvement.

[@tonydanzl]

Rushmore 👍

[@fmagalhaes1521]

I love my 1994 Electra Glide Classic with a carbureted Evo motor. I will ride her until I die.

[@STIFFRIDES]

@@fmagalhaes1521 HELL YEAH👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻

[@anchorsaweigh9893]

I really love all the Harley’s. My fav is the 2002 TC88(Now 95ci) FXDL. I just love getting out and ripping it. It was the first bike I ever bought brand new when I was new in the Navy so there is emotional attachment. As I’ve mentioned before 2021 RKS and 2014 CVORK are powerful and capable. I do love the modern amenities. They are just great bikes IMHO. Very versatile too. There is something about an EVO tho man. It lacks the power, performance and amenities but it sounds awesome and they just don’t die. 1988 FXSTS is cool old bike. I hope I can fully restore it to showroom condition one day soon but it still runs and ride pretty damn good. Easy to work on as well. Love them all 😂

[@jd9308]

I'm just a old codger who likes to keep my ride as simple as I can get them. My go to every day ride is a 92 Fatboy, I also have a 2016 Indian Scout 1200 that I've added some pep to and she hauls the mail down the road and is a blast on twisty roads in the mountains. Both of them shine in different ways for me. Basic, simple, no frills on my motorcycles and pick-up truck. They'll all be with me till I or they kick the bucket! Loved the video! Ride your rides and stay safe!

[@fearsomename4517]

I'll stick with my '99 last year evolution motor it's bulletproof. She still rides like a dream.

[@kennethwise7108]

MY BOY!!!

[@kellybarnard5242]

You do that...who needs innovation. 😊 If Harley still was living your dream, they would be done for....understand bro?

[@kennethwise7108]

@kellybarnard5242 I wouldn't trade any of my Evolution powered bikes in an even exchange for a brand new Harley-Davidson EVEN if was a top of the line CVO one. Some people including myself like simplicity. These new bikes are full of gadgets and gizmos that need a computer to make it run. None of my bikes have a computer on them. I do agree with advancements in technology and there's nothing wrong with that. You can rest assured that one thing that's a constant is "change".

[@fearsomename4517]

@@kennethwise7108 I agree!

[@GixxerFoo]

I personally prefer the simplicity and with the price of the new bikes all I can see is how many Evo's or Twin Cams you could own. Not to mention what all you could get done to them with the price of a new one.

[@twanweijts]

I'm happy with my softail heritage classic TC88 from 2002. It's enough for me.

[@felipedourado5721]

I'm with you. My 2002 caburated TC88 Softail Deuce is a very satisfying bike. Even though I may add another bike (perhaps a Royal Enfield) to my garage I intend to keep my Deuce forever. Regards from Brazil.

[@twanweijts]

​@@felipedourado5721 and you never have than problems with injection like I had in the past with my third Harley-Davidson road king. I tride him for the Heritage with carb so I can fix it self when there are probems on the road

[@rarebreed9208]

My first Harley in the late '70s was what was left of a '51 Pan Head. Basically a frame, an engine, 2 wheels, a seat, and a set of handlebars, with a true suicide setup. The front exhaust pipe spigot was so chewed up, the exhaust pipe would fall off and lodge under the skid plate, lifting the front wheel off of the ground. I miss the simple, good old days.

[@W9HJBill]

I got a 2013 Road Glide Ultra .... I was temped to wait for the Rushmore, but ultimately went with the 2013. The main reason ... I'd rather have the last year of a model that had all the bugs worked out of it than get the first year of a new design. A buddy of mine got a 2014 Rushmore Street Glide and had Harley do a stage IV on it. Less than 1 month later, the engine grenaded. The problem, the well known oil pump issue on the new designs. Harley basically had to eat the cost of a brand new Stage IV motor and they eventually got things right, but my buddy was without a bike for a long time.

[@paulbest7103]

I love my 14 sgs it's not water cooled done 40k and she still pulls like a train compared to the 09 road glide I had a much better bike. Love the channel some really great info keep up the good work from the 🇬🇧

[@xlr8r3VA]

I've ridden a couple of late model touring bikes and I can tell you it makes a world of difference in comfort. I just don't have the money to buy one. If I was going to get one I like the Limited Lows. Everything you need to go long term or permanent touring. That would be the life!

[@jamessouthworth1699]

Competition is good but the direction of their competition is losing me. There's a segment of us that's not chasing the technology or displacement wars. I'd rather see less Tech/more quality in a classic displacement and at a reasonable price.

[@martincvitkovich724]

ditto: plus the people that bellyached for more tech, are now bellyaching about the price increase; at least it seems like they are. Less is more, and always will be, especially when these technical monstrosities age and need work

[@Bigjohn2121]

The problem for them is that the emissions regulations keep increasing, so it's inevitable. If they were smart, they'd stick all emissions crap in the exhaust unit so we could dump it for aftermarket.

[@waterkoppie]

@@Bigjohn2121 That's why they don't or are not allowed .............

[@Bigjohn2121]

​@@waterkoppieI'm sure the government would throw tons of lawsuits at aftermarket providers especially in states like Commiefornia.

[@ericperry72]

Look guys how old are you? If you 60+ years old its not enough of you to keep them in business. The bagger market is around 35-60 and we want tech. As a person in I.T., I could never purchase a 40k bike with no tech, low power, and outdated styling. Sorry fellas but thats the world now. Indian came through with whats actually the new Cross country motor and fairing and slapped their name on it. Superior power, tech, suspension and it has a presence. Harley has to upgrade seeing as older harley owners keep their older bikes so none of you guys are buying a new bike, but im in the market at 51, im the market. Ill buy a bike this summer, and 4 years from now ill upgrade to another bike.

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

I really liked the Rushmore bikes Harley got it right they did everything better To bad they did not keep the Twin cam They sound better then the M 8 😊

[@brianbayowski9265]

The M8 sounds like 💩! 👌

[@GixxerFoo]

The M8 for sure doesn't thump like the M8!

[@Mark-mm1ke]

Over the winter and spring, I did a few upgrades to my 2014 SGS. I'd already done the engine way back. Still runs like a dream. Love the sound with 103hp and 116tq. Did the suspension front and back with Terry Cable shocks and a new front end dampener. Handles superb and rides great. Been wanting to change out the lighting. I had done the headlight a few years ago, but now I went LED all the way around. Next was changed the shifting linkage. It was time. And finally, put the Kuryakyn brake lever on. I like it, but it definitely took a little getting use to. I came of an '08 SG. What a huge upgrade from that. Bigger rear tire. New frame. Of course going from that 96 to a built 103 was all but life changing. I guess I got a classic now and just can't bring myself yet to say goodbye. Newer might be better, but then we're aging gracefully together. Thanks for a another great video.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you for the support!

[@benmack8359]

Wrecked my 2012 SG and got into a 22 RG Special. Everything just felt tighter and more refined in a good way while still feeling like a Harley.

[@bigdawgqc]

Other than that POS OEM water pump that the MOCO used on the 2014-2016 Ultra Limiteds & Road Glide Ultras (Trike too), those were rock solid model years for the Tour bike line. The original water pump looked like something out of a 1970's JC Whitney catalogue. The M8 water pump was a strong upgrade. German Pierburg pump.

[@SierraMike78]

I picked up a 2016 FLHR Road King with the 103HO engine, I use to have the 1999 Evo Heritage Softail gut it wasn't big enough for me. I did the basic Stage 1 as far as intake, exhaust and tuning (FP3 w/ AT). Made a few other minor personal upgrades as well. The bike moves along and is good ride. I thought about stage II cams etc but couldn't justify the cost for 10 more hp/tq. The 103HO comes with 511s. It is billet silver and I get a lot of compliments. It's the last year of the Rushmore project, is very impressive and I feel I have a classic. Two things that stood out were the fly by wire and the hydraulic clutch. Throttle is very responsive and the clutch is a blessing. I also changed out the air shocks for Bitubos recommended by Traxxion Dynamics. It will my last bike. ----- GF - great content as usual. 👍

[@danbarrette9888]

I purchased my 2014 flhtp in 2016 it had 2600 miles and is air and oil cooled. It now has 26,500 miles and is doing well but I am swapping out a lot of parts for performance . I like it and enjoy it.

[@davemagee]

I love my RG 2015 never thought I'd have a tourer but now what a experience awesome long rides comfort and speed.All the best from NZ brother

[@GixxerFoo]

I really do like the touring models between 2014 and 2016 before they went to the M8!

[@frankjgornickjr3676]

Harley riders in their fifties do not want all that stupid tech! Give me the older bikes any day of the week! In Harley-Davidson sold out to China! Now they're making the Sportster calling it something else!

[@snakebite6511]

Im a Harley rider well into my 50's and i like the "Stupid Tech". Shouldn't assume everyone doesn't like just because you don't

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Kruesi Originals. Superbig harley fans and bike builders, they're obsessing over that new harley sportster right now and calling it the new Dyna, and one of the best harleys ever made. I dont think you know how good that bike is for people who like Harley but want something smaller and lighter.

[@alanwhiteside410]

2016 Ultra Limited 103-HO I’am liking it runs great!

[@waltertodd4281]

I traded a 09 Street glide for a 2016 Road Glide. I love the Rushmore upgrades! I've had no compensator problems, no hydraulic clutch issues, and a nice increase in power with the 103 HO. I wish HD had upgraded the suspension (shocks) with the Rushmore program also. The 49mm forks definitely helped handling but better shocks would have really have been a great addition over the old air shocks!

[@carlbruhn1772]

Great Video. Personally a 2014 is quite a jump over 2013. Definitely a no brainer.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's been my thought, there's so much more the 14 and later models.

[@robbaar7035]

You got that right!

[@konrad1101]

Love my 2014 street glide. Does everything great. Arguably one of the best Harley engines ever made.

[@callumsmith338]

One of the best engines ever made? What? What makes the Twin Cam one of the best engines? Toyota and Honda engines would show your wrong with that statement

[@konrad1101]

Sorry i meant harley engines

[@DavidJackson-sd1fr]

@@konrad1101you said Harley engine in your original comment. Not sure why he went there

[@victorsamon9672]

I HAD a 1972 Electa-glide (new) I corrected the AMF problems,,,,chromed most everything,,no windshield,,no saddlebags,,added a custom rear wheel,,added a forged aluminum front wheel with custom chromed spokes,,and replaced the round two front spotlights with rectangle H4 English flamethrower lights,, They lit up the road at night like crazy,,!! I really want that bike back,,!! I have a new fat-boy,,,, and would trade THAT FOR my old Electa-glide,,!! Toooo much hi-tech for me,,!!

[@paulperrigo3517]

I have a 15' sg. Big improvement over my 2007 electra glide classic. Longer range, more power and better handling and braking. The only draw back the seat sucked, put in an aftermarket custom seat.

[@robertjones7792]

I absolutely enjoy riding my 2017 Ultra Limited best Harley I have ever owned, Its twin cooling is way cooler running engine than the earlier models which makes the ride much more comfortable. I went from a 2006 Street Glide to the Ultra Limited Twin Cooled because you can get the quick detach for the tour pack and a street glide seat when not touring, and have a way better ride and cooler ride than just a Street Glide with basically the exact same look

[@edmonddantes3499]

...was waiting to hear what 9:55 Indian did that woke Harley up. I love my 2 Harleys but there is Definitely something about the Challenger that made Harley step up what they offered to us. Love the videos, I never m8ss a Friday here, so, keep it up ! Now go take a Challenger out for a week and crack into it for those of us that are glad Indian showed up and gave Harley a solid rival 🤙

[@GixxerFoo]

Indian offered a competitive product, got into Harley's play ground. Victory was a solid product, they just didn't catch and really move Harley to do anything. Indian was the name, the rival of Harley-Davidson that many would recognize and Harley-Davidson knew they would have to improve and do better and do it fast. Polaris re-introduced Indian about as well executed as anyone could do it.

[@Prometheus1979]

They went from the standard old yellowish headlight to a white light like we have now which dramatically improved the brightness and how far you could see in front of you.

[@stacysid2]

I loved my 2013 Road King with the 103, however my 2021 Electra Glide Standard 107 M8 runs even better!

[@Bigjohn2121]

Harley has a tough sell these days, was just at a couple dealers. One of them had Indians, Kawasaki and Suzuki. Lots of the bikes were 10/20% off msrp.

[@ALPHAFTUCK]

Still the BEST bike knowledge vids on youtube

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I really appreciate the support!

[@bm7760]

I wasn't aware of all the changes for 2014 but, truthfully, I'm glad my Street Glide is a 2013. Seems like there's less to go wrong. Rear suspension is still crazy hard but looks like they didn't address this for 2014. All the best.

[@telfordlocklear5290]

I like my '14 SGS...the handling improvement over my '06 FLHTCI, no comparison. Rushmore definitely a huge step forward. But I wouldn't be disappointed to have less tech and have the awesome classic looks of a Rushmore Road King.

[@Kovboi]

I love my 08 Dyna Low Rider… That’s as fancy as I’d like on a bike.. I’m 39 but old skool… Just did an 1800 Mile trip with just a sissy bar bag.. No music, No GPS, No comms, just a couple of buddies going down the road having a blast.. Maybe I’m in the minority but I dunno… Looking at getting an older Evo or Shovel to tinker on next 👍🏼

[@RNintheTrenches]

Great vid, learned a lot. Wasn’t aware Rushmore filtered down to the other bikes.

[@GixxerFoo]

There were some great changes made after the Rushmore project to the other model families. Sportster got another big revamp in 2016. You can always tell when they got a few years left when they make a big update.

[@RNintheTrenches]

@@GixxerFoo Sure do miss the Evo Sportys. Had one Iron Head and 4 Evo Sportsters. Take care GF!

[@josephstorm6093]

Thanks for this info Gixxer, there's more here than expected which is why I get it here.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! There's a lot of little upgrades year to year they aren't as major but they make a huge difference!

[@Hog-g2z]

Good morning 🌅, GixxerFoo, Great review, 2024 bikes and there upgrades, My Deuce as past it control techniques inspection, final paperwork went in today for registering bike to France, I’m now legally allowed to ride my bike, 😂, Wednesday are done approximately 100 miles, It was great being back in the saddle and being free, right safe guys and girls, France

[@stuartbrown1961]

Harley has succeeded in building an Indian. Please bring back analog gauges and loose the creased bodylines. I understand having to have the VVT and liquid cooling to satisfy the EPA, but we get the added performance with that. The potential the new engines have with stage 2 is what I've been waiting for. Finally real performance for only 50k.

[@GixxerFoo]

In my mind 50K of performance is a Ninja H2R, 300+ horsepower with a supercharger. I guess for 50K they pack a lot into the bike with comfort and electronics on a Harley, but geez 50K that's a very nice 4 wheeled vehicle.

[@HowardHunt-s7z]

Road King had a hydraulic clutch. I love mine - 17 Special. Why H-D can't perfect it baffles me. BMW has.

[@GixxerFoo]

I don't know what to say, I thought that for years. Every other manufacturer out there with a hydraulic clutch doesn't have that issue.

[@geraldscott4302]

I'll just keep my 1989 FXRS real motorcycle and be very happy with it.

[@samslade739]

I just got off of my '04 Ultra and got a '16 Ultra. It does ride smoother and handle a bit better. But I really expected a whole lot more power. So the jury is still out.

[@mikelarochemusic4693]

When does it end though, how much power is really necessary to enjoy a ride... Evos were great in their day, we've gone from 80 ci to 122...how much faster must we go lol I have a 99 fat boy evo, 2013 dyna 96, and an M8 107. Guess what's for sale

[@georgedelarosa5437]

I agree. I have 2017 RK, with stage 1 upgrade, and I have no desire to go any faster or quicker. Funny how our riding styles change when we reach our 60’s lol

[@getoffmygrass6974]

The M8’s lost that Harley feel and sound that grabs you by the poopa. My 02 EGS shakes violently at idle but has a stage 4 stroked 107”, my 02 Train while balanced still waggles nicely w/ a stage 4 95” and my 1993 Fatboy has a V2 from 96 which to me is the pinnacle of engines, cream puff with the best sound you ever heard from a V twin. I won’t buy any Harley that is FI or past 2002 with their bulletproof bottom ends and straight cut geared trannys.

[@PresPres1]

Harley is on the right track, I wanna see a New CVO Limited with the infotainment and a redesigned tour pack

[@crisslastname9417]

Competition drives innovation and can keep the price down. The consumer always wins.

[@JamanRooney]

I like both I have a 23 heritage had a 94 Electra

[@brandoncarter7053]

Rushmore was a response to Victory Cross Country, not Indian. Polaris bought Indian in 2014. Vic CCT was the number 1 selling bagger for a few years before that already. Harley, just this year went to all around LED, but that has been standard on Indian since like 2019.

[@GixxerFoo]

Polaris/Victory/Indian and Harley-Davidson they have corporate spies in each others operations. Harley knew something big was coming but not likely 100% what it was other than Polaris acquiring Indian. That was more than enough to get the ball rolling.

[@robbaar7035]

I got bout 25k on my 14 Limited before water pump went out. Only thing I've ever had to do to it other than, service, tires, brakes etc things that have to be replaced under normal use. I wouldn't own any other touring bike except for the 2014 - 2016 103 twin cam twin-cooled powered Ultra Limited or Roadglide Ultra.

[@Karrpilot]

I put 170K on my Pontiac before the water pump went out.

[@robbaar7035]

@@Karrpilot Was your Pontiac's water pump covered under warranty? My Harley's was, didn't cost me a dime. How's your Pontiac at lane splitting?

[@6881chris]

Great video, I always wondered what the Rushmore was about.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! The Rushmore bikes are really a night and day difference!

[@rarebreed9208]

I'm holding out for whoever comes out first with a sleeper, kitchenette, and 50" flat screen. Good video.👍

[@nbowling10trio]

Always entertaining! Thank you for your content

[@GixxerFoo]

I appreciate that! Thank you for watching!

[@peterollinger2584]

Thanks for the video. Very informative!! Like the two tone green/black bike you showed. It's what I hope to get next year a model year 14. I've geek out and decided on thar bike. It's exactly what I want. 103HO is the engine, 6 speed transmission, the touch screen especially. The controls are sweet. The UG is a dream for me. I'm keeping in mind the flaws which I'll try get corrected.

[@GixxerFoo]

Those 14 and newer bikes are night and day difference from the earlier models, nothing wrong with the earlier models but those Rushmore bikes are improved in so many little ways.

[@jimharrison4526]

Please do a video on the hydraulic clutch on the Project Rushmore H-D's.

[@GixxerFoo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pme1lGacetRmmdU This is the video on the hydraulic clutch, it wasn't the greatest on the Harley.

[@TheRealCobraBurnout]

Great info

[@darylthompson5071]

Did they improve the crank shaft in the mr

[@justins380]

What is your option on the old Buell's and the new come back?

[@GixxerFoo]

I really honestly loved what Buell was doing with a hot Sportster engine in a pinnacle of performance chassis. We will never see anything like that again and honestly it was pretty dang cool. Eric Buell made something absolutely amazing while being held back by Harley-Davidson (If you want our funding you'll use our motor). The new Buell models being out from under Harley's thumb are incredible and I love that they are still using a V twin engine. The idea of having a competitive American built sport bike and an absolute insane cruiser model is what we all need and just don't know it yet. I would own one if I could afford it!

[@Steven-zj2yw]

Loving my 2023 road glide special. Last model year of a way more beautiful bike. The new road glides are a hard pass.

[@CaffeineThrottle]

Interesting. I missed this as I was in ,no bike,no riding, hiatus. Cost a mountain of carh to put my daughter through medical school and off campus housing and a nice little sports car. It paid off in spades, fortunately. Appreciate the info, I'll research further.👋💀

[@GixxerFoo]

If you're in the market for a big tourer or cruiser you can't really go wrong with a Harley or an Indian. They both have their pros and cons, honestly just get the one that speaks to you the most.

[@seansimone-e6k]

Did the Project Rushmore Rd., Kings every year have a hydraulic clutch what year Mount Rushmore Rd., King do you think is the best?

[@GixxerFoo]

It's really hard to go wrong with a Road King, the only complaint was the hydraulic clutch when they got them. Harley's hydraulic clutch didn't fully disengage till the lever was at the end of the throw. But other than that they are really good all years!

[@kennethwise7108]

Those who have a touring "Rushmore" bike will be saddened to see how much a front fork service will cost.

[@GixxerFoo]

Right?! It ain't cheap if you go to a dealer and pay what they are asking!

[@alexfrench8142]

Thank you

[@mattcottrell3336]

What were the issues with the hydraulic clutch, and were they due to lack of maintenance or design error, Ive had my 14 ultra since 2021 and have flushed and topped of my clutch fluid every year and.havent had an issue?

[@GixxerFoo]

They were a little finicky and it did vary from bike to bike, I noticed that myself riding different bikes with the hydraulic clutch.

[@dugbucky3298]

Thank you! question, why do some 2014 and 2015 FLHTK ultra Limited's have cross over (X) pipes and some have parallel pipes? had a 09 flhtc with fp3, 255 cams, slipons and intake. ran strong, I like the cam in the rushmore better.

[@GixxerFoo]

I believe that was due to trying to relocate the catalytic converter but the difference also if I recall might of been related to the Ultra Limited Low which had shorter suspension and reduced ground clearnace.

[@dugbucky3298]

@@GixxerFoo Interesting. is the low still an FLHTK or do they throw another digit in there or on the vin?

[@shaguardriver1]

Thanks I love this type of videos 👍

[@GixxerFoo]

Anytime! It was a lot to cover, there were a lot of changes on these bikes!

[@markman7]

Harley ALWAYS has issues whenever they do something new. Seems they use the customer for their product validation and SELL them "upgrade" kits later.

[@GixxerFoo]

You don't ever want to get the first year brand new, that's when they have the issues. Sometimes the first few years you don't want to buy new.

[@chiefjoseph8154]

Bring back the 103 and the Deluxe.

[@Ten_Mil_Will]

As sum1 who has a 103ci, I have to ask - What do you find special about that particular engine? Thanks

[@chiefjoseph8154]

@@Ten_Mil_Will 68,000 trouble free miles when I sold the bike. I believe it’s still going.

[@ericperry72]

​​@@chiefjoseph8154with everybody chasing Indian and triumph with hp and torque who wants a 103 motor down on power? Well besides you? Def not me hell they need to up that 121 ho to a 135 because indian is deopping a 112 and a 122 in november for their new baggers. Easily over 140hp.

[@chiefjoseph8154]

@@ericperry72 I own an Indian Chieftain 116. I had a Challenger 122 hp. I was thinking more along the lines of reliability and ease of service. I like the fact that the Indians are one hole service.

[@Ten_Mil_Will]

@chiefjoseph8154 I'm glad to hear that! I have a 2013 Dyna with the 103 twin cam. I'm at 17k miles. I know that I will have to replace cam chain tensioners around 25-30k but had hoped that was the last "mile stone" maintenance because I plan on putting 50k on this sled B4 I move on. It has been hard to walk away from the 24 Street Glide (amazing bike) BUT that little voice keeps reminding me that my bike is solid. Thanks for reaffirming that voice 👍

[@Carmichael5898]

Soft tails also got the 103 HO engine.

[@waterkoppie]

Yes, but the last ones in 2016 and 2017, before the Softail MW8 came in 2018.

[@GixxerFoo]

It did and they were the hold out in 2017, 2018 everything changed to the M8 with the new redesigned softail.

[@brianszulwach5165]

Luv my 2015 Road Glide now, the handlebars had to go!

[@angelsierra1988]

I think 2014 to 2016 were great !

[@earlkozak6538]

Indian is supposed to put the powerplus engines in all the big bikes in 2025...

[@waterkoppie]

Excuse me..... no one mentioned the remark on LED's ? It was not (only) on the CVO's, I think you meant on all the Rushmore (=Touring) models except the Road King ? By the way Indian revival (complete bike after the engine earlier) and Rushmore models came in the same model year (June/July 2013). So the Rushmore was not really a reaction on the Indians (certainly not on the bigger but less powerful Indian engine). Maybe introduced one year early because maybe the Indians were "expected" by H-D, hence no 2014 Road Glide ? Road King halogen came for Rushmore with separated high beam and low beam. Rushmore has bluetooth for the phone. Rushmore was a cost reduction on the Tourings anyways indeed, details were skipped, and a lot of (chrome) trim as well, very obvious like the saddlebag guard rails and more (as started on the Ultra Limited (first 103) of 2010). The coolant pump replacement kit you show was not meant so much for leaking coolant lines, but more so for the electric pumps that failed, and replaced in the kit with a MY17 MW8 derivative (then without thermostat by the way). My opinion ? : the HOTC on the heavier Ultra Limited repairs the performance gap with the 2013 lighter Road King, especially due to the 10% torque increase.

[@kevinturner7674]

what year did all these improvements start?

[@GixxerFoo]

2014 and up was when the redesign was done.

[@kennethwise7108]

When will HD make the Tri-Glide an independent rear suspension? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@GixxerFoo]

If I had to guess I would say a year or two after Indian releases their own trike.

[@kennethwise7108]

@GixxerFoo true, sadly the aftermarket is KILLING it in that industry and making a better product. I was told by an Employee that as long as they're selling them they're not changing ANYTHING

[@killernanny4315]

Indian Motorcycle says you're welcome.

[@Karrpilot]

When i was looking to buy a new motorcycle, there was 20+ dealers in my state selling Harley Davidson. Indian? 3.... Then i looked at the warranty issues that Indian was having. Not a chance. Then i looked at the prices of Harley Davidson. I bought my new Cadillac for less than a new Harley.

[@GixxerFoo]

Prices of Harley and Indian are absolutely insane, it's hard for me to justify the cost when you can buy a car for what they want.

[@vijahast]

@@GixxerFoothank you. I’ve owned exactly one Harley over the 45 years I’ve ridden. A 1973 Sportster. Not a reliable bike. In spite of that, I always admired the look and sound and comfort of the larger bikes, and later when the road king came out in the 90’s. Alas, my family was priority then and small kids meant no expensive toys. Now I’m retired and the cost it higher than ever… always just out of reach. Consequently, I’ve since had many Japanese and European bikes that have been great… but that road king will always be an object of desire.

[@earlkozak6538]

I have had a hydraulic clutch on my RKC for 21 years. Never had an issue with it

[@martincvitkovich724]

I believe the issue was operating in the friction zone at low speed maneuvers...there was no zone

[@waterkoppie]

@@martincvitkovich724 Of course there is a friction zone ................

[@GixxerFoo]

It was there but you couldn't feel it was the biggest complaint, if you're a vet rider you really didn't notice or care but many were thrown off by the clutch engaging at the end of the lever throw.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Rushmore came too soon for Indian to have had any real influence on it. Indian was reclaimed and their first bikes were announced in 2013. Rush more project bikes were on the road the same year the Indian Chiefs and Chieftains debuted. So I dont think Indian had anything to do with it. Indian pre Polaris was no threat what so ever and was not making any bikes that were at any level reasonably better than the softail or old baggers. I would argue that Indian did not actually bring any real challenge to Harley's bikes at all until the Challenger was released. The challenger was an undeniable... excuse the word Challenger to HD's money making line up. The Chieftain's only plus over the rushmore HD bikes was that it has better rear suspension... which we now know is easily rectified with a swap, and HD's rushmore frame is just as good if not better than the Indian Challenger's. HD has not changed their frame for the 2024 bikes, despite so many of those changes being specific to making sure they win King of the Baggers. Indian's first real influence on Harley handedly would be the challenger, because nothing before hand actually challenged Harley beyond stealing away customers who want a harley bike but dont want a Harley, if you understand who I'm talking about.

[@GixxerFoo]

I fully believe you've got corporate spies in both organizations, Indian and Harley have a pretty good idea of what each other is doing. They may not know exactly but they have a little inside to prepare and design accordingly.

[@benmack8359]

For all the, riders in their 50s don't want the newer bikes people. How come I see 2 evos a week compared to all the newer bikes that I constantly see riding all over. The math doesn't add up. Sorry to burst your bubble. They are better bikes now with a ton more power and better handling making the riding better.

[@Truthdosentexist69]

I'd much rather have my twin cam 103 HO than a evolution engine any day.

[@fernandocamilli4232]

Do they? Have a better compensator

[@GixxerFoo]

2010 is where they changed the compensator on the 96, that's the year the Screamin Eagle part became the OEM part.

[@upsidedowndog1256]

All of the new bikes of any kind made by anybody have too much crap on them! New trucks are even worse.

[@timothymarlin2010]

Funny the dash looks like my 95. One day I will get a 103 just cause

[@1YouTube_you]

43 mm fork? I think you meant it went from 41mm to 49mm

[@STIFFRIDES]

Yo yo yo👊🏻Have a great weekend Sir,

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Hope you had a great weekend as well!

[@SAMSUN21]

I will never give up my 98 EVO road king.

[@1YouTube_you]

I see abs modules fail all the time. I won’t have it

[@rugershooter5268]

Victory went away because they took too much business from Indian

[@GixxerFoo]

Very true, can't have two brands competing under one corporate roof. They dang sure weren't going to sell the name to someone else to compete with Indian.

[@SilverIndian]

We want more Indian content from you.

[@kennethwise7108]

That'd be cool, I'm a brand loyal dude of 35 years and am never buying anything new from HD. Maybe a Panamerica...

[@Ten_Mil_Will]

Ive been saying this, for a minute now - The best thing Indian has made... is Harley get off their ass and innovate 😎

[@waterkoppie]

They still go their own way.

[@yoshit9819]

Let them compete for our money. Coming in 2025. An Indian thunder stroke 122

[@SilverIndian]

Indian will always be first, nowdays. Many people turning sides.. A test ride will change many minds..

[@GixxerFoo]

Indian has really forced Harley-Davidson to step up and do better, the competition has been awesome!

[@TheNichola6]

My 14 ultra had Bluetooth

[@steverollins4690]

The motorcycle industry is a dying business. Indian dealers suck and are still few and far between. Still no Indian dealer in Los Angeles County. WTF

[@MicahBell_1860]

I still find it hard not to call them Polaris, instead of Indian. Happy trails, Cowpoke

[@bumrush5314]

My M-8 is the best I’ve ridden

[@martincvitkovich724]

The police dept where I lived just dumped their M8-ies for BMW. The next time I get pulled over I'll ask them why

[@Bigjohn2121]

​@martincvitkovich724 The HD has about 15ftlbs more torque while the BMW has about 40 more horses while being 600ccs less, so it's a bit lighter too.

[@snakebite6511]

why do a video on something that took place literally a decade ago

[@GixxerFoo]

There's a lot of folks that shop for used bikes and I get a lot of questions about the difference in the bikes. Especially with the Road Glide where they made such a radical update to the fairing, that sparks a lot of questions about what else was changed on the bikes.

[@ericalger5003]

NEVER ask a customer what they want! Design s product and TELL the customer they NEED IT. Customers don't know what they want!

[@johnscott5662]

Get rid of the technology and lower the prices. Only RUBs can afford new Harleys and they usually don’t ride them. We’re going into a recession nobody can afford expensive toys with Bideonomics.

[@GixxerFoo]

Right? I am okay with analog gauges, prefer them personally.

[@richardhall916]

2 takeaways, indian.....on the warpath.....and harley listening to customers

[@johnparadise4747]

The woke bs from hd is making Indian look better

[@GixxerFoo]

It's truly disappointing to learn all the things coming out of corporate.