Indie Sleaze & the Meaning of Genre

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@lfelfo9743 3 ай бұрын

great video, i always knew about this but could never find words to describe it, u changed that

@mikejandora3269 3 ай бұрын

There is a Spotify playlist called "Shoplifting from American Apparel" that really nails this genre in a broad sense. I'd also note that the term "sleaze" is used in the same way "dirt bag" is used in the rock climbing/backpacker community. They embrace a negative term and make it a positive.

@NoctisAquila Ай бұрын

indie/hipster scene was about intellectualizing everything, using/incorporating everything from coffee to clothes to taking pictures to a whole artsy fartsy philosophy and being different- being in on something nobody else was

@crimespells 3 ай бұрын

indie sleaze was never a genre. it was a scene.

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

@@crimespells this is fair for sure

@Adrian-bx4ue 3 ай бұрын

indie sleaze feels more of a look. the musicians all match this look. using it to label an artist, will describe their vibe and i suppose what sound they were going for. it will be more interesting to see what comes from indie sleaze. back then the 'post punk revival' led to dance punk/electropunk/nu-rave/bloghouse. basically their own forward-thinking music based off an initially nostalgic moment

@AnabelleAriane 3 ай бұрын

as someone who's 39 and loved this music, I remember we said "indie" talking about all these artists and bands....sleaze is more about fashion, it seems to me

@greenockscatman 3 ай бұрын

It's the MTV at 3AM aesthetic for me. Can't explain it.

@martinmaldonado1498 3 ай бұрын

I came of age in Los Angeles in the late 2000”s early 2010”s. I remember going to nightclubs and the music vibe and aesthetic was always a clash of what we deemed hipster and electro indie music This was pre social media but heavy tabloid culture and blogs ruled the internet landscape. The internet was a big part of the aesthetic but it was the unrefined grainy internet of 2007 where you could watch a really graphic murder video and download your faves new music video in one sitting. There was a wildness to the way we consumed media that isn’t the same in today’s hyper censored/ polished and curated apps. I remember how the labels they tried to put on the scene didn’t really seem to fit but now that they’ve come up with indie sleeze term I’m immediately like “ahah! That’s it” At its core there’s a punk element to it, a messiness. Indie means independent or against the mainstream and sleeze is dirty and dark. It’s a quintessential millennial epoch and I’m glad I was there to live it in real time

@worldofcyn 3 ай бұрын

Interesting how genres can describe time periods and we can lose understanding of what things fall under genres over time.

@SADDESTNIGHTOUT 3 ай бұрын

How is this comment from 20 hours ago if the video was uploaded 2 hours ago?

@Grispelas Ай бұрын

project x , skins , sky ferreira , amelie , hispsters , tumbrl , rayban sunglasses ,mustacho , retro bikes ,grunge shirts , posers skaters

@hadjitube Ай бұрын

this like a bat signal hahah

@AnabelleAriane 3 ай бұрын

to me indie sleaze is also very much linked to London bands, such as the libertines

@cherryredocs 3 ай бұрын

you hit the nail on the head! i would love to see an indie sleaze playlist curated by you

@hectorvergara576 3 ай бұрын

It's so wild seeing it come and go and what it has turned into vs what it was and is called today. I'm 30 so I was too young to be there at the shows for the garage rock revival but I was listening. I can see it leaning more towards linking with house like music. Guess is making me think this in the same way I relate Justice to the late 00's era of this. And the LA scene is so good right now

@avaanderson9307 3 ай бұрын

i see julian casablancas, i click

@Josh-pj7tq 3 ай бұрын

I see ur mom, i click

@Lazybooy06 3 ай бұрын

Same 🤣

@bullwinklemoose4969 3 ай бұрын

I’d be interested in seeing a video of u defining indie

@inazumaajax9939 3 ай бұрын

Great video. I most agree with Indie Sleaze as a time period/ movement rather than a genre. That's just me but Indie Sleaze (IS) is a feeling of music from the early 2000s to the late 2000s/ very early 2010s. People can make music in that style now but to me it isn't IS, I do see it as that movement. I say it's that because even though I can not describe it whatsoever I think Cross by Justice is equally as much IS as Is This It by The Strokes. It's not really a sound, it's more a feeling of the turn of the millenium. And that example I think works because that feeling wasn't bound by geography. Obviously IS is very heavily tied to New York but the Strokes influence spread to the UK where Arctic Monkeys took that feeling and channeled it into their own Yorkshire version. I don't think it can have a revival the same way 70s Punk Rock can't have a revival, you can make music like it but none of us are there anymore, it's forever in the past. The feeling I can't describe does have a DIY feeling to it though, even though that can be obscured (Strokes's parents and being signed to Columbia for example don't really go with that but they have that feeling). It's definitely subjective though, because some things in the mainstream might be considered IS but not everything but that's down to personal taste I guess.

@startervisions 3 ай бұрын

The Dandy Warhols led the way for this scene in the late 90's...their song and video "Bohemian Like You" from 1999 looks and sounds like it should have been from 2003

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

i used to listen to that song all the time as a kid you took me back haha

@Manuelitoohnovideos Ай бұрын

Forgot about vice magazine

@TheMikeFloyd 3 ай бұрын

HADJISSIMO GAVIOTRON

@chrisdorsch9754 3 ай бұрын

I saw this first hand. I work at a venue in Atlanta called the Masqurade. While performing as a lighting designer, I worked alongside DJs such as La Castel Vania and Designer Drugs. They were very into Crystal Castels and Day and Night by Kid Kudi, which was so overplayed. The party was a weekly called Afterlife, put on the by the Decatur Social Club. They were deaushy and pertendtous. No talent and void of substance. I once worked with a DJ who wore a wrestling mask, and she was horrible.

@fred-nu8in 3 ай бұрын

Really great videos, man

@doyallsellcrablegs 3 ай бұрын

saw the dare in the thumbnail and had 2 click

@naomisdiary9835 2 ай бұрын

youre so cute it was really hard paying attention to what you were saying

@smallBaiBi67_8 3 ай бұрын

lol, I'm realizing only now how much I was indie sleaze without knowing only now during 2018 and the all the next Years I was hardly in M.I.A, Sky Ferreira, Azelia Banks, CC, mixtape Charli XCX, MGMT, santigold and others really 10s music I was also into sevigny's style since I used to watch Kids really often I didn't know anything about the real lore behind the real connections behind all these things, I just listened to this normally I also have a certain Town of my city that I hardly associate to this style lol

@Tyler12905 3 ай бұрын

im gonna try to make some indie sleaze

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

dont do it!! turn back!

@Tyler12905 3 ай бұрын

@@hadjitube lmaoo whys that

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

@@Tyler12905 aha im just fucking around but u should make whatever u truly want, dont be swayed by whats cool today or whatever !!

@Tyler12905 3 ай бұрын

@@hadjitube thats some real shit, thanks

@zulohmusic 3 ай бұрын

came away with lots to think about. are the boundaries and baggage that come with specific genre labels worth the avenues they provide people to finding your music? got me thinkin.

@johnviera3884 3 ай бұрын

The photographer Terry Richardson invented Indie Sleaze in the early aughts. 2000-2004

@spencersherwin5747 3 ай бұрын

he also invented new ways to get canceled

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

LMAO

@SADDESTNIGHTOUT 3 ай бұрын

Great video, and I like the attempts at defining the genre. For me, it's a time when we were dancing to rock bands and rocking out to dance music, and everything was in service of the dancefloor. Bands weren't writing ostentatious ballads or 7 minute songs with endless solos. Dance music wasn't just about repetitive beats where you take the drums out, bring them back, cut the low end, bring it back, and say one line over and over. Audiences were too busy getting sweaty and having fun to stop and film everything. Dancing to Interpol and Franz Ferdinand is different from dancing to Oasis and Smashing Pumpkins. Rocking out to LCD Soundsystem and Justice is different to Chemical Brothers and Fatboy Slim. And the "underground" got more attention than ever because the balance between the internet and print media meant there was a monoculture and things were atomized at the same time. Today's attempt at a renaissance seems more focused on just recreating sweaty dance music, but we haven't had "classic" songs like Losing My Edge or Helicopter emerge...yet. In my opinion The Dare et al feel a little disposable right now. Not that there's anything wrong with that, and maybe his debut album will change my mind. But this new wave feels like it hasn't escaped the shadow of what came before. Or maybe I'm just saying that because I'm scared of Losing My Edge. BUT I WAS THERE!

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

well said!

@antlerbraum2881 3 ай бұрын

I’d agree, but when I hear the popular Charli XCX songs and others of today I can definitely see those as pretty much fitting in that vibe. Of course a lot these people aren’t “indie” but most of the indie sleaze bands/artists weren’t ever really indie to begin with.

@lou8120 3 ай бұрын

Lord I pray never make me an indie sleaze

@WestCoastCultured 3 ай бұрын

Gen Z are so clueless. And you forgot all of Ye’s 808s and Heartbreak and Everyone Nose.

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

you're right, I could def expand on the Ye era. 808s kinda fits in the Kid Cudi box of stuff that could be indie sleaze. that's interesting though I didn't really think of that

@Mr.Now7000 3 ай бұрын

I like your videos. You rule.

@helenomstreken7577 3 ай бұрын

Pretty sure this is Paul Scheer with a wig

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

i hate that

@KinMoto 3 ай бұрын

nettspend

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

@@KinMoto confirmed indie sleaze artist nettspend

@Drew12935 18 күн бұрын

1:26 is that an article? if so can you link it? thank u

@hadjitube 18 күн бұрын

@@Drew12935 www.pilotmagazine.uk/home/myspace-edgy-secretary-fashion-and-the-arctic-monkeys-in-conversation-with-olivia-a-pioneer-of-the-indie-sleaze-comeback

@yurmomsboifrend 3 ай бұрын

Bro you have to do a video on brakence

@hadjitube 3 ай бұрын

yea that would be fire def on the list !

@unomas4250 3 ай бұрын

I have a feeling it could be cynical attempt to try to create a "scene" where there really isn't one. In the early 00's in London and New York it was a really exciting time with loads of cool music coming out and everyone out partying and wanting to check out the newest, coolest bands. This was a time, possibly the last time, when something had organically happened largely without the internet. These scenes then spread out from these major cities and even in smaller cities and towns in the UK (that's where I'm from) there were bands playing all the time and the shows were full, even for new up and coming bands. Then (as always) big business realised they could cash-in on this and manged to dilute and gentrify what had been cool into some safe, sanitised version. Also with the fashion. It became the indie look. So eventually, where previously you could tell what sort of music someone liked just by the way they dressed, now even normies started to dress 'indie'. At that point (particularly in the UK) we saw the record companies desperate to find the new Libertines or Strokes, which led to so many substandard bands getting more coverage than their actual talent deserved. These bands were labelled landfill-indie (a pejorative term).