Indigenous Nonduality: Loibon Ol Doinyo Laetoli le Baaba

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Shaman, medicine man and teacher Loibon Ol Doinyo Laetoli le Baaba also known as Kali Baaba offers a deep discourse on the profundity of our shared and universal sense of 'I am'. Throughout this video, he weaves in an embodied sense of ancient wisdom with modern science, mathematics, and religion.
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This interview is featured in the 3 DVD set "Science and Nonduality Anthology Vol.2".
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[@romanocadiz7288]

I started listening to this routinely last summer. It still brings me to watery eyes and chills to this day. 🙏🏽

[@ellymzera2457]

Thank you for this wisdom. Much love Baba from 🇰🇪.

[@minuchacolburn6238]

WOW THIS IS THE CLEANEST CLEAREST EXPFESSION OF REALITY AND NOT RELAITY WOW IM SO DEEPLY MOVED AND CONFIRMED BY THIS TA;K IS

[@karimmwondi]

One of the most inspiring interviews I have ever experienced ❤

[@AbsolutelyNOW]

What an incredible Shaman!!!!!Beautiful

[@minuchacolburn6238]

this is the clearest exossion of reality IVE ever experienced beautifully expressed in o=its clarity

[@SandyBottomRanch]

Kayoke, during the thousands of years prior to the building of the Egyptian pyramids, the Sphinx,etc Hermes Trismegistus known as the "Master of Masters" taught and strongly influenced the philosophies of all races, nations and peoples. These nations began taking bits and pieces of this knowledge and began creating "religions" or as the Shaman says "dogma" that are present today. The Hermetic teachings, as of Hermes last known incarnation when he dwelt in Egypt,, there are 7 basic principles of creation and manifestation. (1) Mentalism; THE ALL is MIND; The universe is Mental. (2) Correspondence; As above, so below; As below, so above. (3) Vibration; Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates. (4) Polarity; Everything is Dual, everything has poles, everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled." (5) Rhythm. "Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates." (6) Cause and Effect. "Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law." (7) Gender; "Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes." When we overstand these principles and implement them daily, we understand we are capable of becoming deliberate creators of our own worlds.THE HERMETIC PHILOSOPHY sacred-textsdotcom

[@minimewlil15]

I agree to most of what you said and I’m grateful for the information but I have to say this not to mislead others. Hermes Trismegistos isn’t the master of masters but rather a synchronized version of the Egyptian God thot and the Greek god Hermes. So the knowledge of this is of a fictitious character which at some point in time was invented. Again the 7 principles you speak of are clear facts about life and a conscious universe but be clear on source cause this misleads people into belief

[@Velvet_Intrigue]

I use to ride the bus with him sometimes in L.A. Glad to see he is doing well.

[@MindGameArcade]

Always a pleasure listening to someone so articulate

[@ellasoes8325]

Seriously? Articulate? Why, because he speaks English and non-accented English at that and doesn't sound like his tribe and ancestors at all?

[@ellasoes8325]

Like the cannibalism bit or the circumcision part?

[@MarvinMonroe]

Here's a tip, never "compliment" a person by saying how "articulate" he or she is. It's almost always a black person who gets called articulate also But it is impressive that he can articulate so well with all that crap in his face Edit: and also hes not saying anything. It's all the stereotypical "guru" stuff. "There is no up without down". "we are all the same, but sameness doesnt exist in the light" and "light can't exist with dark" lol

[@catherinepalmer6955]

🤮🤮

[@pwcrabb5766]

This American now living in East Africa was able to do a great deal of reading and thinking before he moved.

[@indiotupi]

He died in 2017.

[@MuzikTrabolee]

You have not met East Africans, Kenyans especially and it shows. Ignorance

[@motiveintentionsincerity]

How much I would of liked to have listened to a group discussion with Loibon, J Krishnamurti, and Tony Parsons 😁

[@EmilyJane888]

Wouldn't that be something! ❤

[@uweburkart373]

Not Krishnamurti, the "would-be" saviour of the world acc. to Blavatski! Luckily he decided and freed himself from those theosophs, (otherwise he would have become just another "anti-christ") but despite that unfortunately he also missed the message of love, of God's love for his creation and the love of his created beings for God. That is what he (God) wished. But he gave us free will to decide between good and evil. That's the core reason of the individuality that we can decide freely. Nothing is determined! Non-duality is nice but it's only an explanation for the impersonal/ non- creative part of "God"..the other part is transcendental and personal at the same time. God is spirit (see gospel of John...) and he/she is a personal God like all beings. The higher the level of consciousness the higher the personality and the higher the responsibility involved. That is also valid for ea of us!

[@nitramruk]

would not go well:)

[@coreyhingley6196]

Thank you so so very much for this

[@faridaslanov]

Nothing can compromise the existence of the whole.

[@minuchacolburn6238]

this man speaks like an awkenened master teacher on the cleanest expression of what is today is these in the teachers wow

[@Michael-us9rq]

He talks of relative right and wrong and the need to rectify certain actions, principally through learning. However, when he speaks of his culture he describes and defends it not allowing or accepting that this could be rectified...so for me he is absolutely right but he is relatively wrong defending cruel practices such as circumcision or indeed war or head hunting. My understanding is that when your manifested culture is relatively cruel, then try and explore that and bring light and a lightness to it. This applies equally to all groups regardless if they are "primitive or sophisticated"

[@nuafricafoundation]

From my perspective when we speak of relativity there needs to be a clear goal and understanding of the subject. This way there is a clear right or wrong relative to the subject and goal the subject is looking to reach. If the subject are the indigenous culture and their goal is survival and to be one with the whole, then wrong actions are actions that take away from their survival or being one with the whole. I would agree that killing each other when in conflict would be wrong if their goal is survival of the whole but as he expressed it wouldn't be wrong if their goal is to be one with as in death they become closer to becoming one with. Because I am not experiencing the lives of the people I cannot judge accurately but from my perspective I think that their lifestyle is beautiful, just not perfect. It requires sacrifice, humility, and full presence.

[@conniekaler]

@@nuafricafoundation i still don't understand how female circumcision can be about survival or wholeness. It seems the opposite to me. I would have like him to explain that.

[@felice9907]

@@conniekaler first explain, please, why women in our so-called Western society go to doctors every few weeks and let their "beauty" be "corrected, from head to toe ... . Why men go to training centers to let their bodies be more "developed" muscle-wise in a way that could easily be termed self-abuse ... . Etc.

[@conniekaler]

@@felice9907 I think they do it to conform to social pressures around beauty/ attractiveness and I doing so they feel better about them selves or more worthy in some way. I don’t blame individuals for feeling insecure about their appearance, it is the way people are brought up and the pressures from media and society at large that make them believe they have to change their appearance to feel good about themselves. It’s a sad reflection of society, I think. Why do you ask?

[@jaovao]

Don’t judge things u don’t know! Male Circumcision is not cruel! It’s beneficial for all the people I know who did it. If it’s not your culture then please ask those who know.

[@meenakshinegi2079]

Beautiful Om 🙏

[@radhikaschwartz3499]

Female circumcision is okay. I don’t think so..

[@m_c_d]

Female circumcision....now that, I am stuck on here. Explain please.

[@MarvinMonroe]

Literal mutilation where psychos cut out the clitoris. The call it female circumcision to make it sound less barbaric than it really is

[@asemic]

i think it was an example of uncomfortable things people don't want to understand, as well as death and other things that can be seen as bad such as male circumcision, and other forms of violence.

[@m_c_d]

@@asemicdeath is a part of life...without choice...its the cycle. Circumcision is a choice, a choice if those around the children its done to....so I didn't feel it was the same as death and struggle to see the mutilation from the same perspective as death.

[@goldbluetears]

The concept of circumcision is the attempt to harmonize the genders. In an abstract sense a being that embodies the force we call gender in an absolute way can form a unit with a being from the opposite sex that embodies its gender in an absolute way. Circumcision is an initiation into the mystery of gender whereby the male elements in the female and the female elements in the male are removed.

[@paolagiunti2979]

Wise man. Thank you.

[@kiambimutembei7280]

Quite interesting, I am from, and live Kenya where English speaking Maasai community is and would like to know where I would be able to find him of I were to. Thank you.

[@mpatzera2763]

On instagram I see ppl saying he is seeing a lot in LA even on the metro. Not sure exactly where he resides. I am sure if you do some digging you’ll find your answer.

[@RashidSivaji]

I’m his son. He lived in Los Angeles but passed away in 2017.

[@kiambimutembei7280]

Thank you Rashid for letting me know. It is such a huge blessing for him to have graced this world.

[@Duritahish]

I’d like to hear about female circumcision in tribal society which he mentions. I’m having trouble understanding that one.

[@AutumnleafMind]

I still always think that if it were reversed…chopping of the male “head” so it functions but has no feeling if it still would be done…..

[@Duritahish]

I would say female circumcision is against natural law and order. It would be interesting to hear how it fits in the cycle?

[@ellasoes8325]

@@AutumnleafMind 80% of US males are circumcised. It's not an "if". It's done. It's not matter of male or female. It is cruel either way.

[@ellasoes8325]

Cannibalism too.

[@MarvinMonroe]

What do you mean you'd like to hear about it? Because you're not sure what the process entails? You've really never heard about what they do to girls? They cut out the clitoris, it's barbaric

[@turalbakhshaliyev]

Without seeing him, I would think it is Alan Watts talking.

[@peregrinajana]

Ecxatly!

[@k14michael]

He surprised me when he started talking about higher mathematics!

[@shamanverse]

Without love (Ananda, love bliss, compassion, agape, and on...) the location he speaks of as a non dual state of attainment remains from ever fresh fruition. He speaks non dualism well enough yet his apophatic lean is the danger of refined disassociative outcomes that are the poison of non dual philosophy. All sorts of abusive, non caring practices can be justified from his location. The purpose of duality is unified love.

[@kimberlyanndeangelo7584]

True nondual...circumcise "another" circumcise "self" and all "other". Our ideas of justice are a stain on Eternal Eye of Truth.

[@souljah37]

You are 💯 on point. I was so impressed with his understanding of non duality until I realized it wasn’t an understanding from love. Until you have experienced Agape Love, you don’t really know non duality.

[@betouretmichel4999]

In indian philosophy the primordial émotion associatied with consciouness is Peace ..before love... does one can love without being in peace?

[@Relle.]

Love is a state of being. It can be stern, inexpressive outwardly but through action, it can be a deep understanding and having an inner gratitude. The love we expect him to talk about or show is a very western and fairy modern definition of love.

[@bluffermuffin1]

This is profound.

[@paolagiunti2979]

Perhaps he was travelling in other countries and like many of us he reached some knowledge. After he decided to come back to his place and share the knowledge with his people.

[@PathtoEase]

This is a guided meditation. Listen.

[@shaunsankar5397]

Brilliant channel

[@santhybala8395]

Ignorance is bliss.... Always i deconstruct this phrase but i will find it difficult to understand...but now I can.

[@guru6958]

....ॐ

[@ellasoes8325]

Why are you referring to this person as "indigenous"? Indigenous, relative to what?

[@thomaswright5592]

The americas

[@uweburkart373]

Xactly, that also disturbs me. What he explains is what he himself has well learned from other traditions (e.g. vedanta etc.) That has nothing to do with massai traditions per se

[@discoteque7768]

What kind of shaman is such a cultivated person with such intelectual level and English speaking accuracy?

[@PathtoEase]

Should shamans not speak English or be intellectual?

[@NanoFutureENT]

Wow

[@mariusztakeoff2622]

Great.

[@rathorevasdev]

What is put on his face?

[@asemic]

interesting, but i don't love all hist justifications for violence at the end. thanks for sharing nonetheless!

[@katnip198]

Right, no justification for violence. Love says the same!

[@WYLOEvelin]

Energy is also an ilusion. It is part of the game.

[@4_teachers]

This channel is shadow banned. Episodes don’t show up in watch history

[@scienceandnonduality]

Thanks for the tip. It doesn't seem to be the case, but we will investigate.

[@virenderyadav835]

🙏🙏🙏

[@AmmaNannabest]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@dianev3982]

Is the face jewelry Ego?

[@embracelucky6282]

Why he speak Vedanta🌸🌸🌸?

[@spandon]

I wonder if Kali Baaba knows about the 12,000 yr cycles of our Sun

[@skyotter3317]

I know of no circumcision among Natives of North America. "Indigenous" used here is too general.

[@rashkehof2458]

Strange..., i could listen for just 3 minutes, a kind of nauseous feeling came over me, had to stop watching...

[@nadinewood9757]

You mean you got nauseous from realizing he was speaking the truth?

[@rashkehof2458]

@@nadinewood9757 No, just from looking at the screen and letting this in, this energy you could say...

[@barnabyflynn965]

Strange. I was compelled to continue and loved it

[@jota55581]

You must be human 2,0

[@kd0525]

All that shit in his face doesn’t help

[@cameronhelmuth5709]

It sounds like he's from Philadelphia.

[@KEVOOGLE]

words

[@agatadlugokecka7260]

:)❤

[@simitha6035]

I felt repulsed by what he said about the Sacrifice of the individual for the whole. Each individual is important, it's an expression of life and should be saved. So the system as whole can not demand or execute this sacrifice of an individual. But each individual is animated and should have this sense of 'individual sacrifice' on their own accord.

[@TechTokeMaster]

Universal law and universal order. Not everyone can be saved, no matter how hard you try. Those are the sacrifices for the whole.

[@mritzs5142]

I am too distracted by his mouth the ball the rings in paradoxical truth to his finely arranged English and mannerisms I would need to see him without the backdrop interacting with people to "get" his non or duo... reality

[@St-Normak]

Boohoo

[@lindaross755]

He sounds like he's from the States. I can't understand him with his mouth covered.

[@pauladavis1220]

The "IAm" is with limitations. I zwill Br What I Will To Be" is encompasses Spiritual Source Yahweh,*Pure Spirit* Which exists in two manifestations: Abstract-Elohim Concrete-Yahshua. Still thus is Yahweh-Pure Spirit taken the shape and form of these States of Being...

[@jessewallace12able]

Word salad.

[@Servant_of_1111]

🥰🙏🥰

[@gravity0529]

What’s the difference between evil and unnecessary evil? Power and unnecessary power? Authority and unnecessary authority? Potential and unnecessary potential? 1 and 0?

[@MattScofield]

I will have to come back, the preening pedantics of just getting thru their name have me offput about their sincerity

[@whatkatydid7901]

It’s a lot like word salad. Lots of words, very ambiguous, not sure what the point is.

[@jobean5073]

@@whatkatydid7901 You realize anyone could say this about whatever spiritual teacher you happen to have become attached to, right?

[@bryamuuareme329]

@@jobean5073 God bless you. May the light work on your heart and dissolve your attachments.

[@ellasoes8325]

Not authentic. You should be selective on who you put under "science and non-duality".

[@jobean5073]

Neat opinion

[@MarvinMonroe]

This guy is speaking like The Sphinx in Mystery Men. Complete nonsense that morons find mysterious and profound "Learn to hide your strikes from your opponent and you'll more easily strike his hide." "He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions." "When you care for what is on the outside, what is inside cares for you." "To learn my teachings, I must first teach you how to learn." There is no Yin in the darkness of the ego if one doesn't know the light of the Yang

[@jobean5073]

@@MarvinMonroe Thanks for weighing in Oh Wise Master

[@MarvinMonroe]

@@jobean5073 you must learn to master your rage or your rage will become your master

[@jobean5073]

@@MarvinMonroeWhen do you plan on starting?

[@regulator9leorise629]

huh

[@uweburkart373]

The pity of his state of consciousness is that he has not arrived yet in modern (I mean especially Christian understanding) achievements due to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ at the cross. As Le Baaba explained well in native traditional societies the murdered is considered also as a sacrifice for his tribe, his people, his family - in modern terms - " for his country", for "the USA", for the "flag" etc. But Christ's sacrifice was the last necessary to free and deliver all of us to our individual freedom our higher self and spirit dedicated to God's will, but in free decision! Free from the collective oppression, free from all sorts of collectivism and that evil spirit. Freed from just "survival"! We are spiritual beings, these are individuals. We need no tribes, no nations, no subversive pathetic "flag patriotism" any longer! That' s the real message of a modern religion, as christianity could be without "churches". Non duality is nice and knowing about it may be interesting, but the message is that of "uncircumcised" (not like Jews and other indigenous peoples) free conversation in love of God and among us human beings! That's what Le Baaba has not yet got. Nonduality is ok, but we have to make a step beyond into eternal live and love (unity with God). That's what also the old rishis of the vedanta did not had yet. Only 2000 years ago the mystery on the hill of Golgatha was the ultimate deed that God, represented by his Son of man has fullfilled in order to liberate us, who believe.. I would be happy Le Baaba could once in his live understand that story and message that changed the whole world and continues to do so!

[@uweburkart373]

Just learned in the other commentaries that he passed away already in 2017. So I hope he is in God's hands and has learned his lesson in class. Maybe he laughs on us and our comments...! (?,)

[@SeviYoga]

He is trying to be something what he's not. His jewelries make it hard to understand him. Disagree with his appearance and shared beliefs.

[@MarvinMonroe]

Complete nonsense

[@asemic]

it's actually very simple, it's only the words that get in the way.. but it can be easy to see through them. tho tbh e kind of lost me talking about 1, 2, 3 + dimensions xD but that is just my lexicon dividing me from meaning!

[@normanshadow1]

Wait a minute...ROTFL. Is he an American in front of a backdrop? Do another interview with him in his tribe please...LOL

[@claremurphy777]

He mentions that he is 'in a room' so backdrop is just that: a backdrop.