Indonesian Nickel Mining. The GOOD, the BAD and the UGLY. (ep 267)

[@VyanFx2]

Indonesia tanah air beta Pusaka abadi nan jaya Indonesia sejak dulu kala Selalu dipuja-puja bangsa Disana, tempat lahir beta Dibuai, dibesarkan bunda Tempat berlindung dihari tua Tempat akhir menutup mata Sungguh indah tanah air beta Tiada bandingnya di dunia Karya indah Tuhan Maha Kuasa Bagi bangsa yang memuja-Nya Indonesia ibu pertiwi Kau ku puja, kau ku kasihi Tenagaku, bahkan pun jiwaku Kepadamu, rela ke beri Tenagaku, bahkan pun jiwaku Kepadamu, rela ku beri (Indonesia Pusaka - Ismail Marzuki)

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

beautiful

[@LennonBright]

Amazing work guys, I like this style of video, almost like a mini doco 👏

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thanks a ton mate, much appreciated.

[@positifplease7363]

I meet you two days ago in Pulau Papan Tojo Una-Una. I am amazed that you travel Indonesia with your ship bringing ur family including ur cute baby.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thank you, was nice to meet you!

[@sailingexcelsior]

Thank you for sharing this insightful and informative story. We too sailed there and were also shocked and heartbroken to see the landscapes being scraped away. I can hear the heartbreak in your voices and we feel it too. It’s a crying shame but at least you’ve spoken up and shone a light on this horrific situation 🙏🏼

[@marie-morganerousselin2352]

Thank you 🙏 We are knowing that we are living in a world with mines to feed the never ending race of consumption but seeing it with your own eyes is a different experience! 😅 We had to talk about it.

[@arnehayn4354]

It's not only nickel, gold mining in Lomkok and glass smelting. In general I got the impression that Indonesia has a different view on environmental protection than other countries

[@AtieHuang]

I am Indonesian and came here because I saw you on Instagram, a KZbinr, I'm interested in your experience living on your ship, seeing many countries. Indonesia has ± 14,000 beautiful islands and several islands are used for industries such as nickel, coal and gold mines. In fact, Indonesia is very rich in natural resources, but unfortunately nature is being damaged because industry and the government are corrupt here. Your video is very good but I tell you, be careful when taking videos and then sharing them on social media about industries that destroy nature. By the way, I subscribed to your KZbin, nice to meet you all 😊.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thanks for visiting and joining our channel. We realise that countries must utilise their natural resources and Indonesia is lucky to have a lot! It's just sad to see how it does this. Is there a better way? I dont know.

[@XmasLio]

​@@SailingLearningByDoingBig countries are taking advantage of Indonesia because of its rich natural resources. This is also supported by a greedy government where they take advantage of this opportunity to enrich themselves. This is Indonesia, the country of the corrupt. Greetings from Indonesia 😇. I've subscribed.

[@alistairmcdonald265]

Great video. We spent most of last year sailing up through Indonesia from Australia. It really is a country of contrast, none more obvious than this one. Industry in general , over/illegal fishing and the lack of infrastructure are killing off parts of the country very quickly. The global demand is there and an emerging nation like Indonesia of course will aim to supply it. Battery technology will change, hopefully sooner rather than later. It is heart breaking seeing it up front. What is the answer?

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yep for sure. Indonesia is the 4th largest population now I think and will also be the 4th-5th largest economy by 2030 apparently.

[@jonathanscott550]

EV power Nickle mining. I don't think there's enough nickel on this earth to sustain the EV battery industry. Gas, Oil, Natural Gas has a supply that can supply the energy needs of the world and using it in a clean way. I'm against 100 % EV use, but would support using both energies at the same time. Indonesia is an Oil/Gas and mineral rich country. Like any other country that has oil/gas and minerals they all have the same problems with pollution. For civilization to live the way we do I guess there's no turning back. However there is always a cleaner way of mining and drilling and producing the products we use. This was a real interesting video Vernon thanks for putting it out. Cheers mate looking forward to next video.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Nah I dont think you are right, battery tech is still in its infancy, there will be new stuff coming up fast, new tech. Sodium batteries are already on the market.

[@MonkPetite]

You don’t have to think.. it’s true. And they ( the industry) knows it. But money is a thing. Making it is the other thing. As long we all look up to the richest it will continue. According to histrionics our empire will collapse like the Roman Empire. The Roman people gave up on the leadership and so the rich

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

I dont have to think? Thanks! What empire are you talking about? As far as I know there aren't any at the moment. The British was the last and yes, that did fail.

[@MonkPetite]

@@SailingLearningByDoing please do some reading and studying. The empire we live in. We all do exactly what the romans dit and so the ottomans. History repeats. You may find some you tube info at Mike malone ( or something like that) We exploit all we can have. Basically draining our resources and so our society as a system. It does not matter if you think left or right or green. Think easy do not worship the complexity of the solution. to explain your self that 100 % eV may not be the solution is nice. Obviously unheard by the salesman. Ev is a money model. Elon M sold that idea grandly. Let’s go electric to stop oil. But you need oil for everything that’s will not stop. To get a 1 bread 🥖 on the table it consumes 2 gallon of crude oil,in the westerners world model.

[@davidressler4292]

When I was in college in 1973, people serious and passionately argued with me that we would run out of oil by the year 1990. I should have made a bet, I'd be rich.

[@Dreamtimesail]

The scary thing was we saw many survey pegs right down near the water line all over Labenke so we share your fear for its future. We're so glad we got to visit this paradise while it was still untouched.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

yeah we saw them also, blue poles all over the place.

[@Dreamtimesail]

The manager of the little resort around from the anchorage told us it was owned by Chinese. We're not sure they bought it for tourism somehow. It's very concerning for the future of the place.

[@Alex000113]

Boy what a contrast, such an obvious difference visible on land and in the water ! Great video, hope your video gets shared to a wider audience. I agree with your conservation theme but maybe a lesson is also for humans to go experience/enjoy/learn about what we see now, as you never know what will happen in the future (natural catastrophes such as volcanoes also have destructive impact).

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thanks Alex, yes you are right, the world is in constant change and not much of it is improving I feel. I would have loved to travel Indonesia before there was plastic pollution and it was only 30 ish years ago there was none here, now it's terrible. In 20 more years?

[@TammyBillings-qt1ve]

Wow that was an eye opener. Great video.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thank you!

[@DougVarble]

10:10 incredible topic, you and your family create amazing content, I appreciate your work 🎉

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thanks Doug, appreciate that.

[@Youtuber-k2p]

Solid state batteries are just starting to enter the market and I believe Honda will use them, battery technology is rapidly changing. Nickel mining however won’t go away when batteries change their technology because nickel is used in so many technologies.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yes, thats true. Sodium batteries are also on the market now, not so great for Ev's as the energy density is less but for grid size applications will be pretty good.

[@spaRTan3246]

Where exactly is battery tech changing rapidly? That‘s all marketing BS. Energy density is still appalling and we‘ve been hearing about so-called breakthroughs every single week. Same with solar BTW… 🙄

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@spaRTan3246 solid state batteries can be brought on Amazon now, sodium batteries also. Are they as cheap or refined as lithium? No, not yet but they will be soon. Scarcity of the minerals + costs of mining make it a certainty. Sodium is one of the most common elements

[@adamtedder1012]

That's simply not true. I've been in the ev scene from the start. I was one of those hobbyist building the first electric bikes with homemade batteries with 18650's. I've been involved and following. What I've learned is if your subscribed or involved in these things you get fed a lot of hopes and dreams of new batteries and technologies that's gonna change everything. It's been a let down. I bought it up over a decade until the same story with every next big thing in batteries disappeared to be never seen again. Battery tech made a huge leap and stopped about 8 years ago. Maybe minor changes since then but nothing world changing. Every big thing from before that never materialized either. Just simply nothing big gonna happen with batteries anytime soon. I think we should be pretty happy with how great we got them already. Ice will be needed for shipping, heavy machinery, distribution, and blue collar work for the long foreseeable future.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

We had lead acid batteries for how many decades? Maybe 60-70? Lithium have changed the world in the last 10 years! You cant imagine it going any further? Maybe youre too old mate. There are billions being pumped into R&D on this by some of the smartest people from all countries. Our energy sources and storage will look very different in the next decade, of that I'm pretty sure.

[@Sonnell]

Glad you are talking about this is a fair way. Mentioning, we all, and you also are using batteries with nickel. And nickel of course is in other things as well. I would only add that I am not sure if it comes down to the lesser evil. It comes down to power and money. Nickel processing could be done without coal energy plants. I am sure it could be done so they respect the environment more, like re planting the trees, and so on. That would be the lesser evil. But the narcissistic psychopath money man, and politicians will just do what makes the most money, till they can get away with it. You now showed the the world what they can not see, how it is produced. So some of us will change our thinking, perhaps will do against the ways it is being done. Thank you.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thanks for watching and sharing your views. Indonesia doesn't have the technology to do any of the refining or smelting themselves, they need partnerships with China mainly. I would have been possible to power these plants in other ways than with coal but that is a technology they have already and can build it fast. China might have taken their billions elsewhere if Indonesia had insisted on a greener power source as it would have taken years longer to achieve.

[@Sonnell]

@@SailingLearningByDoing I guess, it is not because they do not have the technology. It is because using coal is cheaper than buying tons of solar cells or building wind farms or whatever. It is always: follow the money.

[@PennWolfsSailingAdventures]

All I can think of on the cover photos is a raw beautiful island, welcome and inviting. Then strip mining,next resorts,money moving in running everyone off that don't make them a profit. Then trying to "restore" the island for even more profit, making it completely different and restricted. The saddest truth about industry, NO WHERE on the surface of planet is untouchable to human industry these days, if there is something there we want bad enough,we will get it. Sad they couldn't have made spoil islands and left natural run off protection to try to protect the surrounding seas and sea villages. It wouldn't have been difficult and could have provided a lumber,fiber,and farming to the area by using the natural barriers in seasons, shifting the mining.

[@superwag634]

As a mining engineer, I am desensitised to this. Australia has just as many sites even worse than this Indonesian Nickel mine. This one however sent the Nickel mine near Esperance bankrupt and BHP is not happy and neither are the 2,000 Aussies who lost their jobs a few weeks ago

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Not sure I could ever be desensitised to seeing this. Pretty hard on the eyes. I can imagine it's hard for the Ozzie mines to compete with these guys here. Costs of doing business here would be 70% less than in Australia.

[@farhanfaturrahman7718]

Hey, you guys can take a walk to my village, it's not too far from the mining location.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

We are in the Togean island now.

[@wirayuda6]

The beautiful scenery in Sulawesi

[@bottledungdungwekwek]

Such a sad sad situation ! It’s such a corrupt and shady industry. Thank you for bringing to light !

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Thanks for watching. Please share if you care.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

The video has nothing to do with that, we acknowledge that we all have these devises, we also have big lithium batteries powering our boat(as we said in the video) What the viewer above said though is correct, it is very sad situation. Reality, but sad

[@sailorruss5279]

Great overview, feeling guilty as a human. As you say though, what is the lesser of evils. I hope they invest in relocation of wildlife and pollution runoff.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yeah exactly, we can all feel guilty a bit. I think you'd not be human if you saw what we saw and dint feel sad about it. There are laws attached to the mining concessions. Re-forestation, containment of run-off etc but how much of it will be enforced is anyones guess. The money will be allocated for it then disappear, as happens with many projects here.

[@Saltinhisveins]

Are you kidding? This is Indonesia and China we are talking about

[@sailorruss5279]

@@Saltinhisveins wishful thinking I guess 😢

[@psystealth]

thanks mate, fair winds

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

You bet

[@carltontweedle5724]

The greed of the world, I would bet Indonesia gets less then 10% of what that is worth. I had a tear in my eye and anger in my heart seeing that distruction.

[@JBTSO]

It's shit, but it's relatively localised, unlike deforestation for palm oil. Poverty is always significantly more distressing and nickel mining is a means to an end. It's not best practise, but that can be improved by social pressure on the supply chain. First step is awareness.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

👍

[@ReignExplores]

Nickel mines in Australia and elsewhere being put into care and maintenance, with workers losing jobs, unable to compete with the low production cost and low environmental standards of Indonesian production.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@ReignExplores yep that’s happening. Indonesia flooded the market with nickel causing the price to sink drastically. The price will rise again when lots of the competition has dropped out.

[@sailingopheliacompass2997]

Sad to see mining Vernon, but be very careful with your safety.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Always!

[@caseytane4810]

Flocking to EV as though that technology can just be traded out for internal combustion engines and our climate woes absolved has always been a flawed movement. EVs and other wireless devices these days are amazing and will no doubt continue to be an ever bigger part of our daily lives but we as a species need to think honestly about the fact that, as Wendell Berry said, “we have a cultural problem not a technology problem”.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Pretty spot on. EV's are great in nearly all ways but everyone buying one will not help with the environmental problems. NOT having Ev's though and continuing with IC cars will almost certainly make these problems worse though.

[@adamtedder1012]

​@SailingLearningByDoing I disagree. I believe the push for all electric has very little to do with the environment and a lot to do with control. Hybrid technology already gave us a happy medium between the two and debatable it caused far less damage to the environment. What your seeing here is a small taste of what's happening globally for this ev revolution. We have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. We should've gotten all the world to hybrid before even considering a all electric switch. It would've been smoother, safer, cleaner. By the time the world was all switched to hybrid we either would've had more mature systems to go all electric or had an alternative that was superior to batteries. The way we are going now will never see a all electric world. It is already falling apart. Reports of new car sales show a switch back to traditional ice vehicles because people have stated the ev's they purchased were not able to do the things and maintain the lifestyle that buyers were sold on. I agree something should be done but it was done all wrong. It was done so poorly that I think it may have destroyed the entire endeavor. But what do we expect everyone wants everything right now. Started with the og right now generation the boomers and is continuing right thru to the latest.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Let's talk again in 10-15 years. Electric or maybe some other tech that we havent fully developed yet(fusion) will have taken out a heck of a lot of the smelly, loud machines that we use today. There is no going back, as there was to horses, 150 years ago.

[@adamtedder1012]

@@SailingLearningByDoing I don't think I'll much care what the world is doing in 15 years. I'll be on the down slope of this adventure. I'll be around the age my father was when he passed. I think I'll be too busy soaking up the last of it to think about this debate.

[@mattparke4322]

Your ignorant. A decision was made to go electric. Do you understand as the pandemic started and the world slowed down. The planet cooled. Fact. We will. Not mine in 20 years. Recycle everything.

[@True.blue-Aussie]

With the financial sums involved with these industries, I can only imagine the level of corporate and political corruption that goes hand in hand with it.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

yep, Id guess so.

[@myparadiseonbantayanisland9030]

That nickle is what makes all the stainless steel in your boat and of course the batteries in your boat too and your laptop and your cell phone and your gopro and... They are producing it for us the modern consumers, they are in business to make a return on their investment and provide raw materials for our lifestyles so don't be so negative about what they do, we are demanding it 😁

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yeah we are very aware of that. It a sad fact that we really need this mineral, even sadder that it cant be extracted without massive damage to the environment.

[@rz9509]

It can be massively reduced but that would also reduce profit. LOL and it Indonesia.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

yeah right, you mean what's left of it after 5 years in tropical rainfall. Also, this is Indonesia, money that gets budgeted for putting the soil back and re-forestation will obviously not be there when it's needed.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@MarketingStrategies28 thanks

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@MarketingStrategies28 by western you mean eastern? `Chinese companies own most of this business in Indo

[@garry5608]

Apparently 70% of nickel is used in Stainless Steel production? I know there are other chemistries now shifting away from NMC, even though it’s still used quite a lot

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yep around that percentage. Nickel for batteries use has gone up from 5% to 15% in the last few years though so that is fueling the mining boom.

[@garry5608]

@@SailingLearningByDoing no offence but, surely the title is a little misleading then? Shouldn’t it say the dark side of stainless steel and EV production? But I guess that wouldn’t get as many clicks

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@garry5608 exactly. But mostly, the huge increase in nickel mining in Sulawesi is directly tied to battery production.

[@michaelstavros8652]

Just sail on by bro

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

well we did,, but first we filmed for this video

[@colinboniface194]

The sad reality of so called progress... Modern living with the developed conveniences does have an earth cost... Tech is advancing so rapidly, that I am confident of a resource solution in time... Lets hope this happens before the earth chocks on our greed...

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yeah exactly, my thoughts too. Battery tech is really in its infancy I feel.

[@waynelemmon3007]

I hope all that want the earth saving Electric Vehicles which have huge amounts of nickel in their batteries see this video. I'm so angry seeing the destruction that you have shown. I'm struggling to find anything positive in this video, but hopefully on a positive that more people will be aware of the destruction that's involved in producing these Electric Vehicle and lithium batteries.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Dont just concentrate on the EV mate, did you see the part about oil also?

[@waynelemmon3007]

@SailingLearningByDoing no missed about the oil. Guess I was too worked up seeing the destruction.

[@shaneegan6658]

Just too many people for our planet to sustain in the manner we are accustomed to. :(

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

yep

[@SuperDirk1965]

Lifepo does NOT use nickel. Ever seen what coal mining in Australia does to the great barrier reef?

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

What's your point? We say straight up in the video that all mine is pretty destructive. This is not a dig at the EV world etc, come on, see it for what it is.

[@SuperDirk1965]

@@SailingLearningByDoing It sure looks like it is though. Btw, batteries using nickel are obsolete.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@SuperDirk1965 I guess Tesla this year ordering $5 billion worth of Indonesian Nickel shows that it's obsolete right?

[@SuperDirk1965]

@@SailingLearningByDoing Musk is an assh*le, I thought everyone knew that.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

great answer, proves your point perfectly.

[@antonbloemendal3812]

The modern powerplants are smaller and much more safer than the old ones with new thechnologie, think you should inform you about the new technologie realy much more safer.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

which ones? Nuclear?

[@antonbloemendal3812]

@@SailingLearningByDoing from Rollls Royce they have

[@Youtuber-k2p]

Can people stop calling it NICKLE, it is Nickel.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yep

[@SVImpavidus]

EV's have a very limited lifetime. Compare this to a well built car or truck that can be repaired over and over again for years if not decades. They are just like electric outboards. Great when they are new but the batteries have a limited life and are not environmentally friendly while being almost impossible to recycle and imposible for the owner to repair. Compared to a 20-25 year old Yamaha outboard or even an old seagull which can be repaired over and over and its parts are easy to service and recycle. The push to replace ICE's with EV's is related to greed, taxation and control. It is nothing to do with the environment. Thankfully more and more people are waking up to this. Let us hope it is not too late for our children and grandchildren..... Sail Safe Guys, Ant & Cid

[@deerfootnz]

What utter nonsense. Most battery electric vehicles will have a much longer lifespan than any combustion engined vehicles. And the batteries will outlive the vehicles, will have a use after electric cars and can be recycled. Please don't repeat nonsense propaganda.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

I'm not really on the same page as you there mate. 150 years ago London and all big cities were literally drowning in horse shit, then along came the steam engine and later the Internal combustion engine. The pushback against those devils machines was widespread and passionate. Sorta similar to what's happening now. Humans are in general allergic to change. Lithium batteries and electric vehicles are still at the steam engine phase and will only improve(rather rapidly). ICE are at the end of thier development cycle, only tiny improvements have been made in the last 20 years.

[@alexmorgan3435]

Unfortunately by 2050 I think most of Indonesias pristine islands will be gone. The Chinese now own most of the mineral rights not only in Indonesia but also in Africa through massive loans to these struggling and corrupt countries. Depressing. As if the destruction of the jungle in Borneo killing all the wildlife especially the orang-utans wasn't heart breaking enough now they are destroying the Indonesian Islands. I visited both in 1993. Much of the jungles in northern Sumatra had already been felled turning the country into a swamp. It was distressing to see. The Chinese do not give a flying f**k about the environment. All they do is want to make money and control the world. EV vehicle's are a MASSIVE con. Even Ebikes for the energetically challenged who are too bone idle to pedal a bicycle for themselves are promoted as environmentally friendly. No they are not!!!! The bicycle one of if not the most environmentally friendly means of transport on the planet. Sticking a filthy great motor and battery on it makes no sense. Depressing.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Ev's aren't a con, they work great, are fun to drive and are much cheaper over thier live span, with almost no maintenance. Thats not a con. The idea that's being spread that they are the answer to all of our environmental problems maybe a con though.

[@giork2828]

@@SailingLearningByDoingLOL

[@NakeshiaBeard]

As someone that loves cycling but struggles to due to nerve pain (some days my leg literally doesn't work properly) my ebike has been a life saver. I'm able to tow my young child without further damaging my body. EV and ebike batteries are improving almost daily and can only get better with new tech and recycling.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@NakeshiaBeard you and millions of others, elderly folk who otherwise would get any movement or mental stimulation. To say e-bikes are for lazy people is pretty short sighted.

[@NakeshiaBeard]

@@MarketingStrategies28 I'm not sure it is, consumer demand for recycling is on the rise so surely it would make economical sense for more businesses to start recycling efficiently? Lithium battery resources are valuable are likely to reach a point where it's cheaper to recycle used batteries to make new ones than mine new resources

[@paulc2776]

It's the way they survive.. leave a donation, perhaps everybody that complains should help the locals. Better research would change your thoughts. Seems most want the joy of the location and that's it.. Not trying to offend.. Please stick to what you understand and yes i have been here many times and spoken to the locals. Laws allows it, contact the government ! Safe travels . Look into it, the locals are well looked after. The Pilbara is no better..same same as they say.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Sorta hard to understand what youre trying to convey here. You mean the locals who've lost their forest, reef and water are happy and well looked after? Maybe go again and dont drink the Sopi.

[@robertbeckett7829]

No offence to local Indonesian people, but this country's government is up there with the worst, all the while keeping very quiet 😢.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

I dont think it's that bad. Some corruption yes but that is part of the culture here, from the bottom of society to the top. Indonesia is predicted to be the 4th largest economy in the coming 20 years, you cant to that by luck.

[@stevechampion7938]

Green energy isn’t that green is it….

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

The energy is yes, the storage not so much.

[@MartyBrisbane]

Nickel is used in most electronic and electric devices. We are all guilty of it

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

yep, as we are of using plastic, petrol, etc etc. We are 8 billion all making a little mess.

[@MartyBrisbane]

Where is nickel commonly used? Whilst it is used for EV,s the majority goes into stainless steel which means boat owners are a major part of the problem of mining Nickel - Wikipedia About 68% of world production is used in stainless steel. A further 10% is used for nickel-based and copper-based alloys, 9% for plating, 7% for alloy steels, 3% in foundries, and 4% in other applications such as in rechargeable

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Old wikipedia post mate. Battery use for nickel is up to 15% of world production, increased massively in the last 4-5 years.

[@tonic8945]

That's the reason EVs take 90 000miles to break even, environmentally, with an equivalent IC engined car. Don't take my word for it there's a video by Volvo out there.

[@latesttricksailingwithbenh454]

The percentage of nickel used in making EV’s is very small in the world. All your stainless fittings and rigging is made from nickel as well as aeroplane engines and much much more.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@latesttricksailingwithbenh454 so what’s your point? Tesla recently ordered $5 billion worth of nickel from Sulawesi so even if small that’s huge. Regardless of what it’s used for it was still shocking to see the aftermath.

[@latesttricksailingwithbenh454]

@@SailingLearningByDoing my point is that it is nickel mining in general that is bad for the environment. And EV’s are only a small part of the problem. If we want aeroplanes, coins and stainless steel we must mine nickel. Everything we do, even fibreglass has an environmental cost.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@latesttricksailingwithbenh454 I’m aware of this and yes, every mineral we mine causes destruction to the planet. But we need them so it is what it is. Without the growing battery market though nickel needs would be stagnant. Battery needs went from 5% to 15% of world nickel usage in the last few years so that means new mines like this open. In countries that don’t regulate properly this causes more damage than it would need too

[@Antipodean33]

But what do they do, they have a massive population in Indonesia and not a lot of land. Also this whole green agenda is not adding up, take the wind farms, those massive wind generators last at most 15 years, cost a fortune to build and the blades can't be recycled and end up just dumped in the bush here in Australia. The EV vehicles is possibly the worst of these green scams, the amount of pollution it takes to make the batteries outweighs any perceived "green" benefits. Most of us don't want to deliberately destroy the planet but we must be pragmatic, humans to survive must pollute to some degree

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yes, there is no way around pollution, there are over 8 billion of us now. From what I've read on the subject, wind energy is the absolute case for green energy. Costs the least to produce, pollutes the least and is relatively maintenance fee.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

You know that YT just shows you what you want to see right? You've got to actively go search for something different. Youre probably also aware that coal and gas power plants dont just pop out of the ground and then run themselves for decades. They cost millions to build then more millions to maintain and then pour out smoke that literally kills humans and other animals. Wind has its downsides for sure but it doesn't do any of the last bits. Once it's built it basically needs 2 blokes to maintain it for 20 years.

[@antonbloemendal3812]

Pitty that this happen because atom powerplant will be better

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Until an accident happens then not so good.

[@MickeyDichter]

very concerning indeed...

[@wexlin]

WHY NOT TAKE ALOOK AT PAPUA FREEPORT.. ITS US COMPANY OPERATED IN PAPUA FOR GOLD

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@wexlin oh there are plenty of places where big corps are destroying stuff.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@wexlin oh there are plenty of places where big corps are destroying stuff.

[@ismailkaluku9777]

Kalau boleh buat translate bahasa Indonesia

[@Boncos2000]

1. Klik pengaturan (sudut kanan atas/ gambar roda 2. Pilih teks (cc) 3. Pilih terjemahan otomatis lalu pilih bahasanya

[@lawrencea274]

Interesting but not at all surprising. This is the result of human capitalism,and the greed of us ALL. I've been a sailor for 40 years with a plastic/fiberglass boat something that will take centres to break down if ever. There are no answers for us, just the inevitable. On KZbin song video by Tapestry - Don McLean ( with lyrics) click more below

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

yep for sure, its no one country or persons fault. We are 8 billion and everyone wants things.

[@davehayes8812]

Vernon, please take EV out of your subject line. 85% of world nickel went to other uses like stainless steel. Also not all lithium batteries use nickel. The ones on your boat are likely LiFePo4 which contain no nickel. Also EV batteries will be recycled, because they are a source of high grade ore, creating a circular economy with vastly smaller impacts compared to fossil fuels. This will take a while. Otherwise I agree with you. We humans can do things so much better.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Has Stainless Steel seen a huge increase in production in the last 10 years? No it hasn't. Has Battery production seen a massive increase? Yes it has. Ev's are a big part of this so it has its place in the title as there is a dark side to them.

[@verbalmute4873]

EV's suck a big one along with all the other sucky shit thats killing us. Big Vern is the man shining light on a few of the more despicable practicexs that will one day make mars look like a better option than here.

[@davehayes8812]

@@SailingLearningByDoing I have been enjoying your vids for years now and love them. So please don't take this as trolling. Yes, I see your point, that EV's are causing an increase in Nickel mining. But, Are EV's the real issue? No, the mining methods are. Are EV's worse that fossil fueled vehicles? Not at all.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6C5o3x-mMmroKM Do all EV's use Nickel? No, like the batteries in your boat, LiFePO4 is dominating all but high performance EV space. Here's the kicker, when you run a fossil fuel engine, you mine the oil, use it once and throw away 80% of the energy dug up in heat and vibration losses. When you mine battery minerals, you use them 2000 to 5000 times before recycling them. The difference is mind blowing. So enjoy using your LFP boat battery, especially when solar charged. It's silent, efficient and will be recycled because the minerals inside will be cheaper to source than minerals in the ground. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2bdkp-Yqc6ciLM

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yep, you are right, it's the methods of extraction that are wrong, not the end use. I agree with you about ICE engines as well. But you cant change the methods of extraction much. The forest still needs to be removed to get at the ground below and this is the big thing. You can spend more on cleaning up afterwards but thats not really doing anything much. You can put some new tree's on but that just a sad mono-culture compared to the vigin forest of before. Tesla made an order worth $5 billion over the next 5 years from Indonesia. They still plan non using Nickel in thier batteries for this time at least.

[@davehayes8812]

@@SailingLearningByDoing agreed. I hope customers like Tesla choose sources that don't bugger up the surrounding sea.

[@Seacracker1]

So stop using your cellphone, notebooks get rid of your batterie on your vessel. Or dont complain. I mean this the reality and also these workers inntge mines have jobs to feed their families. Its not that easy!

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@Seacracker1 such an ignorant way of looking at it, sorry not sorry.

[@elektrischunterwegscom]

Why do you say it has something to do with EVs? Most of the nickel is used elsewhere and there are more and more cars using LFP, which are nickel free. So don't just go for the clickbait headlines.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Of course it has something to do with EV's! Tesla recently ordered $5B worth of Nickel from Indonesia. I'm not saying it has everything to do with EV"s but the huge increase in production worldwide of batteries has increased the need for mining, no two ways about it.

[@digitalfotonetz]

@@SailingLearningByDoing Please check you facts! 5% of the mined nickel in the world is ending up in batteries. Almost 60% is used for hardening steel! And since the EV industry is moving away from cobalt, they are also moving away from nickel! Half of the Tesla sold worldwide do not use nickel in the battery. They are LFP, which means no cobalt and no nickel. So, you can say, bad bad steel industry, but then nobody would care... ;-)

[@verbalmute4873]

You’re a weird sort of tool for saying that. EV's suck a big one along with all the other sucky shit thats killing us. Big Vern is the man shining light on a few of the more despicable practicexs that will one day make mars look like a better option than here.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

@@digitalfotonetz there you go with the facts huh. Battery usage worldwide is 15% and increasing year on year.

[@deerfootnz]

Only 4% of world nickel production is used in rechargeable batteries. But 68% is used for stainless steel production. Don't get sucked in by propaganda. I have two electric cars. There is exactly zero grammes of nickel in them.

[@SailingLearningByDoing]

Yeah nah. Old stats mate. Nickel use in batteries has gone from 5% to 15% in the last decade and Tesla last year signed a $5 billion deal with Indonesia for Nickel. Maybe they know better than you what the future will bring