Infantry Squad Unit Review | Astra Militarum Tactics

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[@longhunter5935]

As a Catachan player these discussions on the new rules are a bit of a kick in the nuts, every time.

[@xMcCabe32x]

Saw my name for the first time since becoming a member!!! Keep up the great work Mordian!!!

[@MordianGlory]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@bertboxer1]

I’ve got 150 catachan i’m now running as inf squads for obvious reasons. Brutal strength plus sharpshooters with the squads split between sniper/lascannon and melta/hbolter to make as much use as i can out of the sharpshooter rerolls. Brutal is thematic and lets me stay mobile with everything while putting out longrange lascannon/sniper shots

[@creed6901]

U could also run mortars in them for that sweet indirect fire :)

[@ElijahDarts]

Just pointing out, Volley Fire works on the "Infantry Squad" keyword, which is any of the troops options.

[@richard9268]

Ding, ding, ding!

[@hypnokitten6450]

This might be a silly question coming from not having played the new guard yet (but hopefully will soon).. Just about every mission out there requires you to hold you backfield objectives. Either by sitting on them as a req, or by sitting on them to prevent deep strikes. All the infantry squads, cadian included, are.. well, like you said, 'by the bucketload'. And are slow unless you stick them in a transport. So I was seeing the bogstandard infantry with heavy weapons as ideal for sitting on those back-field objectives. They have enough bodies to block out a lot, they can reach out and touch things on most places on the board (except for very terrain heavy areas), that banner lets them ignore a lot of to-hit penalties even from terrain.. Given a choice between them (a clear job to do, that they can do safely even with T3 because all the big scary stuff is front and center and marching toward the center) and cadians (easy to kill guard trying to move forward to get in range of their special weapons)... I'd pick at least a couple squads of basic, cheap, heavy weapon infantry? What am I missing?

[@Bobamelius]

Never underestimate sprinkling a bunch of cheap lascannons around your army. Or even a bunch of mortars; they are individually weak but several of them can peck away at small fragile objective camping units in the enemy's backline even if out of LoS.

[@DavidBretton]

My initial plans are to have Shock Troops to move up, while keeping an infantry squad with Sniper Rifle and Missile Launcher (Hey, it's what I've got built) on the home field objective and to act as an order target to splash onto a heavy weapons squad and/or Boombastic cannons.

[@PF_K]

Volley Fire is not unique to the 'Infantry Squad' -- that's a keyword that Cadian Shock Troops and Death Korps of Krieg units also have.

[@joshpearson1870]

Do you think Cadian Shock Troops will keep their ridiculous points discount over the long term? Once they sell a bunch of the new Cadian boxes, will GW put the Shock Troops up with the Krieg Squad as a premium Troops choice (as their sheet shows they clearly are)? These are, after all, the same GW who incentivized adding a free HW team to squads for months... right before they points nerf HW-included squads like this.

[@newsovietman]

For 65 pts with take aim order and lascannon you can potentially kill models that cost many times more and infantry only get 6/10 (and krieg troops second in tier list)? Is it a mistake?

[@florentdonnet7825]

They still make for some good screening. If you intend on having some squads back from the frontline, having that HW is still a plus over Cadians. They also benefit a lot from the guard trait that makes you have a reroll to hit or wound if you get them a lascanon. Both seem to have their place in a guard list, even tho Cadians are flat out better on most aspects.

[@koboldm]

I’m not Tanith, but I’m first 😂

[@testd32187]

The infantry squad sargent can take the bolt gun + chainsword, while the cadian shock sargent can only take the drum fed gun (no chainsword).

[@tomyorke3412]

Still really not a fan of the one of each special weapon. Remember way back when you could outfit vet squads differently you could make the squad Grenadiers giving them all Carapace Armour Demolition experts the whole squad would have meta bombs and the sergeant a demo charge or make them scouts where they could vanguard and all have camo cloaks. Yes it cost you points to upgrade them like this but it gave you so much fun in how you played your units.

[@coldsteel.and.courage]

I like infantry squads in my Catachan army. Reasoning: I took Brutal Strength with Vet guerillas and run the squads with Plasma gun/heavy bolter, while the Sgt uses Boltgun and Chainsword. Mobile heavy bolters is very nice and versatile, especially hitting on a 3+ at Ap-2, and even more so ignoring cover within 18". As far as math goes it's actually not a bad choice as far as damage output, especially in the mirror match.

[@sephrus7784]

It would have been nice to have infantry squads be able to pick a home faction like Mordia or talarn and be able to run a third army buff like cadias auto wounds.

[@adddad9779]

What about a wave 1? Take them expecting them to die since they are cheap, allowing other infantry to move up. Please pick away my thoughts.

[@stevenschnepp576]

It's why the Emperor gave us Tauroxes.

[@elRandomTk]

I like old squads and will try to use them as much as possible, because heavy weapons teams are love :D and for lore/fluff reasons - simply put I don't like to have more shock troops than regular ones in an army, speaking teoretically I would like half vanilla infantry and half between Cadian and Krieg. So i like your idea in teory, but I think it's not practical because they cost same as cadian, and you have no limitation to the number of squads for both - so in choosing them you are not saving on points or limited resources (your wave 2 would be the same either way) and you would be better off simply choosing the best men for the job. And for the way they function, it is really better the other way around, heavies don't like to be moved while the double specials give you the opportunity to take both medium range support while advancing, and some hard hitting close range if you do make it to the enemy, plus the drum upgrade for the sargent and the exploding sixes in datasheet, all point to medium/short range supremacy - they are called shock troops after all :D So for now I plan on using them on back objectives and/or around some sort of rerolls bubble if I have the space (with lascannons or mortars, and plasma or sniper rifle) and advance with cadians. If you want to wave with infantry I guess you can use them with heavy bolters and meltas? I also find the point costs kinda weird, we could end up with cadians costing premium in some time, and your idea would be good in that scenario

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@elRandomTk I'd be amazed if they didn't wind up bumping up the cost of the shock troops.

[@hahaureadmyname]

I like the thematic arrangement of Power sword + plasma pistol / Sniper Rifle / Heavy Bolter

[@nerdlydelicious1876]

In my 2K lists I take 3 infantry squads mixed in with the rest of my shock troop squads. I give them a mortar, and whatever special weapon I feel like will be good on them (usually a sniper rifle as I put my plasma and melta on my shock troops). While the shock troops are pushing and taking objectives with support from my tanks, my infantry squads hold the back field, camping on my home objectives and screening to block enemy deepstrike. If I’m facing an opponent who has deepstrike capabilities, I’ll keep a Commisar in the back to isssue remain vigilant to widen the are of no deepstrike. The mortars let them support the rest of the army while they do this.

[@davidgreenberg3942]

I think it is important to remember they have a box caster. I put them on deployment zone objective with a heavy weapons team within 6 inch to relay orders to. 4 lascanons Whiting on 3 when you need it is comforting.

[@markdorn8873]

Could the Infantry Squad be the new Conscripts?

[@TheMostSlyFox]

not at 6.5 points per model 💀

[@jamesloder8652]

Lol what? No

[@FrostandFists]

Great video, my man! I always use a couple of these to keep a couple of Lascannons on the two units holding my back objective. With Take Aim on the Vox, it's a reassuring amount of firepower on my objective holders. ~ Wolfbrother Methos

[@FrankyFes]

mordian why do you call the banner bullshit? it only counters the BULLSHIT BROKEN abilities like x wounds per phase" that are by far the worst rules ever made in any game. the banner should be called the equalizer

[@49Insanity]

How do you guys build your armylist without updatet battlescribe ? Pls dont list on Papier...

[@newsovietman]

you can update manually with beta - check BS subreddit

[@jasongarfitt1147]

No comments on special/heavy weapons choices? Or did I miss that bit?

[@GunwitchUK]

Krieg all the way. So much better than vanilla Cardigans 🤭😉

[@StevenZagaris]

My plan is to include 2 units of infantry with Mortar team in most lists to defend backfield objectives and keep out of LOS if possible. Am I dumb?

[@operator9858]

Might as well just take mortar teams then no?

[@antonijeeremic8282]

@@operator9858 that is a whole heavy weapons slot for a 55 point unit. I shelved my morter teams for the time being as using those slots on lemun russes is better and even the rogal dorn once i get it.

[@operator9858]

@@antonijeeremic8282 but you can take your russ in squads right? Or as command choices no? Or heck just use the new triple formation list. Could even leave room to spare...

[@byzantiphile7630]

Forever the best boys.

[@operator9858]

So im just (trying) to get back into the game after many years but with 9th you can not only split your unit fire, but can shoot at whatever target you want then doesnt it entirely come down to point efficiency? Kaskrin with their 5 special weapons and the cadian shock teams seems like the only real choice...these rules seem really stupid and will only limit your options down to whatever is the meta...again, really seems like a stupid rule set. Think ill have to see if the fellas would be willing to try 7th or something...

[@antonijeeremic8282]

That is how it has always been pretty much. Something are just better and fulfilling a roll then others.

[@operator9858]

@@antonijeeremic8282 well ya thats true to a degree, but in the past when you had to focus fire or couldnt cherry pick targets or had things like flanking bonuses there was a lot more ways you could fill those niches...or more importantly defend against them...

[@Lilrockerdude13]

Volley would be good only to get you out of a very sticky situation or if you just need that last wound to knock out something big with the heavy weapons team. Other than that the CP is better put someplace else