Unit Review: Kasrkin - 10th Edition Index

[@CMTechnica]

Still have 4 squads from 9th. Dual plasma and dual volley guns all. Run them as my stormtroopers of my custom regiment, definitely carried a few games of 10th

[@theredestshirt9726]

I just painted up a Squad of these yesterday but i had a buddy 3D print me some heads for my Halo Themed army, now I got a whole squad of Kasrkin ODSTs from Halo. Only two more to go.

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

That sounds awesome!

[@doppelgangerk]

box art paintjob...love it! you put lots of love to your amry!

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Thank you! Cheers! 😁

[@koboldm]

Great video! I have a squad of metal kasrkin that I love Just my 2 cents: if you run them with 2 plasmas and 2 hotshot volley guns and a castellan, you can give them take aim and first rank fire, second rank fire. That combo is a marine killer. But as you said, there are so many options with kasrkin! Great unit

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

I love that strategy you proposed 😍 great call

[@benjaminjack867]

My favorite guard models for sure

[@TK-yz3wt]

I might have to get a set of these plastic versions. I still have the metal versions from 20 years ago. I don't play but these models looked cool especially with the rebreather masks.

[@waterdotzable]

The plastic ones are great

[@13thbee16]

A bit of a history lesson, but having two datasheets for Kasrkin and Stormtroopers is in a way a return to the origins of the Kasrkin models. Way back in 3rd edition, the Guard had a system of army customization called doctrines. Cadians had a doctrine called Grenadiers that let you take some Stormtroopers that can't infiltrate or deep strike as a troops choice rather than an elites choice. Kasrkin were there to represent the troops choice Stormtroopers and you had the old Stormtrooper models for the elites choice ones.

[@13thbee16]

@@Gary-gq2le They did in the sense that they were a Cadian regiment and thus had the Cadian set of doctrines. The standard for customization was 5 doctrines, but the Cadians got 7. The Grenadiers doctrine I talked about before, 4 Restricted Troops letting them take Sanctioned Psykers, Storm Troopers, Conscripts, and Special Weapons squads, Iron Discipline (letting them take an upgrade related to leadership), and Sharpshooters (letting them take an upgrade that gave 4+ to hit infantry not wielding plasma or a sniper rifle a re-roll of a 1 on hit rolls).

[@KaraKrash621]

I think I’ve inadvertently done exactly this 😂 I’m new to the game in 10th. I’m running two “platoons” of 20 shock troops and 10 Kaserkin, each led by a Cadian command squad and Castellan. This is the base for all my lists. Still learning how everything works, so I don’t have feedback on its effectiveness yet, but I’m hopeful! Cheers!

[@Jan-pi4ri]

Imagine them with Creed, receiving 3 orders having the 3+ save as well as adding +1 to rapid fire and +1 bs. Tons of plasma and hot shot Las fire 🔥

[@rulesmanufactorum]

Great review! I’m slowly putting together a full scion/kasrkin paratrooper force - I like to fantasize about the guard getting a specific regiment for “special forces” when we eventually get a codex.

[@Tax.Fugitive]

Picked up a load of movement trays, they look awesome

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Hope you like them as much as I do!

[@jerrytoppins]

melta mines really helped with fighting chaos knights

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

As someone who always plays my Kasrkrins(Death Korps Grenadiers) they absolutely shred they never fail to achieve my goals. They are so useful as a firm point in a guard infantry line with the volume of fire that just breaks my opponents, they think that was the whole gun line firing it was just one and there are two more who are going in next my opponents just lose hope and well as their units. Typically I like to run 2 plasma guns and hotshot volly guns and the classic plasma pistol with power sword with an Cadian officer(extra Deaths Korps Marshal) because my opponents desperately try to kill these guys and they often get tagged in combat. Also the move move move is great to have with an officer to move 9 and then first rank second rank target's within 12 it's great as you can often hide them. The 6's sustained is absolutely brutal on this much high ap weapons, if Ursula is nearby its so effective. Now with the fix to orders and reinforcements I'm tempted to ditch the Cadian officers for commissars to ensure they are not battle shocked and still can be reinforced and on the second time they turn up they can just get extra orders from the command squad. However that's just in theory land and hasn't been tested.

[@Irencor]

I think you cant give them Orders while they are in a Transport. For some reason it doesn't work Rules as written check embarked Units (but it should work that way in my opinion!)

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Their unit ability is what allows you to do that, not an Officer unit. They can issue themselves an order, regardless of being on the table or not.

[@lancevillarreal38]

Strategic reserves specifically states that a unit can still use its abilities. Models in a transport are not in strategic reserves, though. So, in the case of Kasrkin, they cannot order themselves coming out of a transport.

[@Irencor]

@@CadianSergeantSteel thios is the part from the rules comentary i was talking about: "Embarked Units: Units embarked within a Transport do not count as being on the battlefield for any rules purposes. This means that, unless explicitly stated otherwise, embarked units cannot do anything (e.g. shoot, fight, use abilities, etc.). Similarly, you cannot select an embarked unit as a target for any rules, including Stratagems. " seemed like clear to me that they cant use it

[@lancevillarreal38]

Ok I see what you’re saying. Trust me, I would gladly be wrong and be happy about it lol. Bc I friggin love these models. So I was trying to figure out the best way to use them. Wanted to go transport, but didn’t think they could order themselves. If this is the majority though, then I’ll go that route! Thanks😃👍🏽

[@Irencor]

@@lancevillarreal38 i think everyone would like them to use the ability. It just makes sense!

[@sigmatus303]

Once i work it out how mine will be in Auscam lol. Kasrkin are better looking minis then Scions in my opinion so glad they returned

[@lukeedwards8018]

Hey quick question. If you have an officer model attached to a Kasrkin squad and you had all of them in a Chimera. Does the Chimera still have access to he scouts 6” ability ? Thanks in advance

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

If the Character model doesn't have Scout, then you cannot perform a Scout move, which is a bummer for most Guard Leaders with Catachan or Kasrkin.

[@lukeedwards8018]

@@CadianSergeantSteel Thanks for the response. Not the end of the world. Just changes things a little tactically. Really like these reviews you are putting out

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

@@lukeedwards8018 thanks so much! Can't wait to do a few more.

[@razielnelson1466]

What's the take on putting Primaris Psyker with Kasrkin? I feel like that 4+ feel no pain could greatly benefit them so long as you don't roll a 1

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

I absolutely agree. I like it, plus the 2 DMG attack the Psyker has can really compliment killing space marines, which Kasrkin are supposed to be able to do well.

[@slyoldowl]

You earned a subscriber. Also my kriegers against your cadians 😊 itll be fun.

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Welcome to the channel and glad to have you here 😃 and anytime we get a chance at an event, I'm game!

[@Mt-zr5bf]

My biggest Problem withe the current rules (for guardsmen units in general not only kasrkin) are, that you have a sergeant with a firing range of 12", Trooper with 24" and a marksman with 36" Why cant i have a Sergeant who has a Bolter or He-Lasgun so i can optimised a unit for fighting on 24"+ distance? Yes the Deathkorps and Standard squad can have Bolters, but why not my Elite (which arent so elite in comparison to standard units from other armies, but cost the same) Units

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

I hope we get upgrade sprues that help correct this. ALL of my old Cadian models had Boltguns on thr Sergeants. I loved the look of it and how badass the sergeants felt among their squad members.

[@Mt-zr5bf]

@@CadianSergeantSteel Yes, the Drumfed Autogun is one of the dumbest guns GW implemented, it felt like a mocking from them.

[@pb4977]

Very interesting video. Would you recommend Chimera or Taurox for them?

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Chimera is my favorite, but the Taurox will get them farther into the battlefield and support them executing a unit. Only downside is the Taurox can't shoot after Advancing, so you lose some firepower support so maybe it is beat for objective capturing in most cases.

[@mxj4607]

Cadia castelan gives sustain hits as well

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Yep, which is great with those special weapons 😍

[@mxj4607]

@@CadianSergeantSteel exactly

[@c-secofficer123]

I’m looking at the Instructions.. and I cannot see how to build the second volley gun…

[@badrabbit9703]

Do you have a video on how to apply the Kasrkin camo paint scheme?

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Darn right I do! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJynZ6ewesuHZrMsi=GWiOBclq4lL8TmUl

[@badrabbit9703]

@@CadianSergeantSteel fantastic, thank you! I just got my first minis and I have a unit of Kasrkin but I can't find any videos on that specific. Also, for someone just starting out if I find some stand alone bodies how may Kasrkin can you make out of the bits that are left?

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Oh, good question. I would say roughly 6 because of weapon options. Maybe up to 7.

[@waterdotzable]

Sucks they went up 20 points but I'm keeping both my squads because they look cool

[@calronkeltaran493]

I also want to point out something in the wording of the kasrkin ability and see what you think about it. as you said yourself: the kasrkin ability states, that the unit gets an order in addition to any other orders issured by another officer. this would indicate, that a unit of kasrkins can gain more than 2 orders as long as the officer targeting them can issure more than one. so in the most extreme case, you can have your kasrkins with 4 active orders, is you use lord solar to do this. this is prob not realy practical but creed, gaunt or any officer with grand strategist can issure 2 for a total of 3 orders. so do you think that is intentional or an oversight, that should be ignored? apart from this, I think they work best either on foot or in reserve, depending if they got an officer attached or not. a transport is questionable because RAW, no unit abilities work while in a transport. so they loose their order for the first turn they disembark. if you also attach an officer, they loose scout as well. on foot, they can easily duck into cover for your first turn, so nothing except for long range indirect can even target them. so if on foot, they should run without officers to profit from scout. instead issure an order from far away with mastervox. the advantage here is to keep the unit cheap and more expendable. if you return them with CP, they don't even loose any figthing power. if they get a castellan, just come from reserve. they now get not only their ability, but the order from the castellan as well for maximum dakka. this gives more options but makes them more expensive as well. not sure if the extra pistol + substained is worth this anymore. especialy since scion squads make for better surprise firepower with superior DS and the scion command squad

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

I think because the wording is "an additional" it infers a single extra order to take effect, therefore nullifying Creed's ability. I address the second part in my Balance Dataslate video as it changed how orders work, arriving from reserves in transport, and other synergy combos beyond this video a little bit. I don't think your wrong in any of your thoughts are how to run them most efficiently or effectively though.

[@michaelwool5960]

Just ordered my squad marks buddy.

[@DodgethisCZ]

Hello good sir! More I watching your videos more I want move from Kill Team to big cadian army :) Can you tell me some good competetiv list with kasrkins and cadians? I dont know about standart 40k too much and I want to see if I would like it model wise :) My fantasy is cadian battle line where kasrkins focus on worst enemies thats my little roleplay :D

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

I would recommend this list kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGeTh31rZqaqqKc plus two Chimeras, two squads of Kasrkin, Creed, two Basilisks, and another squad of 20 Cadian Shock Troops. That right there is a flexible and dangerous list to play with. Start with the smaller list or a variant of it and learn those units in and out. From there, you'll be able to use a full 2000 point list like a Swiss army knife to have a tool for every situation you find yourself in.

[@DodgethisCZ]

Thanks you are best! @@CadianSergeantSteel

[@DodgethisCZ]

@@CadianSergeantSteel one little question. Can I work even without transports? I dont like Chimeras. On the other hand I love those flying models but I dont know so far how transport even works :D

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

@DodgethisCZ yes. You can definitely play it without the transports. You'll just need to be more cautious deploying your elite units such as Kasrkin. Luckily the Scout ability gives you more safety met during deployment.

[@DodgethisCZ]

@@CadianSergeantSteel thx you are awesome! Btw I ordered Combat patrol and kasrkins so far where should I go from this point when I love artilery and cadia :D

[@MRjLANKY]

I thought if you added a character to a unit they get there ability and vice versa

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

ONLY if the ability os a custom ability that says "this unit" or "all models in the unit gains" , etc. If it is a keyword ability, both the bodyguard and the leader unit must have it for the units to be able to use it.

[@m123c456r789]

Great video!

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Thank you!!

[@m123c456r789]

@@CadianSergeantSteel I'm getting in to 40k, I chose Guard because I love the theme. Your videos are great for learning about all the units, I love the passion you have for every unit, even the off-meta niche ones. Any chance for a Medusa Carriage Battery video soon? I've got 3 in my army and I'm really enjoying them, battle shocks everywhere.

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

@m123c456r789 I Unfortunately do not own a Medusa... yet, but will soon to keep an eye out for that.

[@Denis3232-s9d]

Without deep strike and ability receiving commands in transport they are almostly useless in 10th edition

[@Denis3232-s9d]

Scions better

[@CadianSergeantSteel]

Scions are more expensive and get less special weapons and wargear options. I think each unit has a roll in varying lists and strategies.