Infinite Labour Factory - Chaos Dwarfs!

*PRO-TIP Raid Zharr Nagrund (Tier 5 Settlement) They will never declare war on you!
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[@MercytheMad]

Thanks to Andrew Tobias for relentlessly harassing me about raiding! Hope this makes you happy :)

[@andrewtobias4545]

Yes 😂

[@tunetune7228]

I think raiding zhar nagrund is best because they don’t declare war and you can force confed them later anyway

[@Mahrac126]

Raiding Nagashizzar could also work. It's further away but you'd get diplo bonuses for raiding Skaven.

[@andrewtobias4545]

Turns out you can prevent the ai from recruiting a lord if you stand right next to their city. So eventually you can get the same effect as that faction if you defeat their armies and raid their one T5 region.

[@bighoss1860]

THey might not but the other chaos dwarf factions will, if you do this in RoC all the chorfs are right next to each other. Caused a major issue in my campaign where i went to retrieve the artifact from nurgle and zhatan wardecd me while my land was undefended, relations had dropped from raiding servants. Im sure astrogoth will join him soon.

[@Gr_ywind]

@@bighoss1860 Yepp, I thought this sounded too good to be true and it was. By turn 20 I was at war with the world just using one stack of gobo raiders. 🤨

[@bighoss1860]

@@Gr_ywind It works well in IE, just be mindful of the other chorfs in RoC, i clapped zhatan and managed to finish the campaign without getting wardecd by astragoth despite -500 relations.

[@unnamedshadow1866]

It is also Lore Accurate if you Raid your own Lands. Since technically the Dark Land is infested with Orcs. In fact it is the main reason in-lore why the Chaos Dwarfs rarely venture outside, they have plenty of material and labour around Zharr Naggrund.

[@andrewtobias4545]

In case it’s a bit hard to wrap your head around how strong this is here’s an example (from Mercy’s livestream campaign). He was raiding for 410 laborers and roughly 400 gold from a T5 city (Zharr naggrund). He was paying roughly 700 gold in upkeep. So that’s a net -300 loss in income, but then you can do a laborer action for 1500 gold in exchange for -200 laborers. That makes the net go to +1200 gold and +200 laborers. Well guess what, just use that excess gold to support another gobbo stack which makes the same 400/400, increasing the cost of upkeep by -300. So it then becomes a net of +900 gold and +600 laborers. So essentially, with that excess gold from the 1 labour action, you could support another 3 armies. 5 armies in total from 1 labor action making a net of 1800 laborers per turn which you could turn into conclave influence (+10 per 200, so 90 in this example) every turn, use to rush buildings, or even just convert into gold (9*1500=13,500) assuming you have enough different provinces.

[@andrewtobias4545]

Wine resources also reduce hob gobbo upkeep by -3% each. So u could easily reach something like half off. Also any excess labourers can be used to get conclave influence (+10) from laborer actions or rushing construction. Edit: This shouldn’t affect laborers due to the hobgoblin wording, however in the late game you can make the cheapest hobgoblins cheaper than goblin laborers at roughly 7 wine resources.

[@slaughterlord4190]

I was just watching a stream from a certain someone who dressed up as a chaos dwarf and was wondering if raiding would be worth it for the Chaos dwarfs and shortly afterwards I see your video, good timing and I am happy that I also thought about that :)

[@MercytheMad]

Great minds think alike! Ash has best Chorf Cosplay, hands down :P

[@l0necroc]

a littlebit of science

[@yanomamo89]

Raiding is finally useful lol

[@nelsonvallin3535]

I was able to finish the final battle in the RoC by turn 38. Thanks for the insight!!

[@Shpongle64]

That's funny. I did a similar thing in the past with Skaven slave armies for money and food.

[@reiteration6273]

Exploits like this are kinda funny, but I never actually use them myself. It'd be way too much hassle to do that every turn, compared to just constructing income buildings. 😅

[@JD-bk4zi]

I KNEW HE WOULD DO IT

[@thinksmarter7159]

Mercy keeps on giving. It really is Xmas everyday Mercy posts another cheeky top tip video ;)

[@Hawkens4k]

it was only a matter of time till someone finds a way to abuse the labor resource.

[@nelsonvallin3535]

Thank you Mercy I appreciate your content and effort.

[@danielrziha6381]

This is fine cottage there, sir . Well played.

[@TheAussieBlue]

Remember. Dawizhaar don't practice slavery, those are labourers, not slaves.

[@olanordmann2743]

Prisoners with jobs

[@mrviking2mcall212]

“Labourers need rights to their holidays, boss!”

[@Kredelwow]

thanks for the video man :D

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@swabilius]

aaaaaaaand Mercy broke it already :P

[@jasondoherty7497]

Labour of love

[@fenrisianwolf9229]

@MercytheMad Did they change raiding for Chaos Dwarfs? I've raided tier 5 province and got only gold? I enjoy trying out exploits. :D

[@MercytheMad]

Yes they did change it since launch. I have not thoroughly tested it though.

[@VyperByte]

The sponsor today is raid shadow legends.

[@ollym8355]

Nice tip, thanks

[@janovmi2]

thats so cool :)

[@Guillimann]

So do you recommend we set it up in an allied settlement?

[@stephens021]

Zhar nagrund, it starts at high tier, they will not declare war and you can force confederation whenever you want.

[@MercytheMad]

You get more if it is a tier 5 settlement with maxed out, valuable buildings. You could you it in an enemy settlement but you would need t protect it and probably put and army in ambush stance between your farmer armies and their city. (you cannot actually attack the city or it will lower the city level and reduce your slaves-per-turn.

[@Gr_ywind]

@@stephens021 They won't but the others will. Unless you want to tangle with the other chorfs, avoid it.

[@stephens021]

@@Gr_ywind I have used this in all 3 campaigns that I have played so far and I have never ended up at war with any of the other chorf factions.

[@Gr_ywind]

@@stephens021 In immortal empires it's not guaranteed but in RoC it will happen when they see an opportunity to screw you over. Chorfs like to kick you when you're down.

[@Donutking17000]

How are you getting so much labour? I have 5 armies and they're generating around 120 labour per turn

[@MercytheMad]

Hey Donutking, two things - first they nerved raiding in last patch. The amount of slaves you get now decreases with each extra lord you add to a region. So probably decreasing returns makes it only with.putting a few now (have not had a chance to test new patch). Second- the amount of slaves/labour is based off the gold output of the enemy region. I think it is about 1/5 of the gold base. So 1500 gold region income might equal 300 slaves for raiding, but then that is reduced when you add more raiding armies, but it is not reduces 1 for 1 . I thinknit is a curve so you still get more for adding a lord but the amount each exra lord adds is progressively less.

[@lonetrvllr]

Skaven alchemy ver 2.0

[@andrewtobias4545]

Mwahahaha

[@indosuprem2296]

Can you do this as the red chaos dwarf to other chaos dwarf?

[@MercytheMad]

The Tower is the same for all the Chaos Dwarfs afaik

[@madmanthepope6448]

Does the army have to be full?

[@exobreaker6149]

i think u get more gold/labour when the army is full

[@madmanthepope6448]

@@exobreaker6149 Oh okay ty

[@stephens021]

More units = more gold.

[@madmanthepope6448]

@@stephens021 nice ty

[@soybean9098]

Yeah they should prolly nerf raiding with multiple armies in one Provence

[@pascaldifolco4611]

Haha Mercy now cheese as muach as Legend !😂

[@user-uz9ih3ev7x]

With patch 4.0 they declare war on raiders, so I guess this feature is fixed now

[@MercytheMad]

Yes, as of 4.0 they do declare war on raiders, you can still siege lock them and set up a raid farm anyway, but raiding is different now (diminishing returns) so it is not so desirable to set up raid farms.

[@victorcaldera249]

i have never seen them actually do it in all the chaos dwarf campaigns i have done

[@chomnansaedan4788]

You just reenacted our world history before 1860. Who will lead the orcs from their "situation" lmao.

[@SuperCosmicChaos]

omg lol Thats going to be patched lol

[@janbananberg357]

Too cheesy for me, good idea though

[@Schokraen]

idky but i dont get it xD

[@stephens021]

It is like the old skaven food raid cheese.

[@mekudu-man3804]

@@stephens021 mmmmmh cheese

[@andrewtobias4545]

You can raid for say 400 laborers and 400 gold right. Your upkeep including goblins is like 700. You can then convert 200 of those 400 laborers into 1500 gold via labor action. That makes it so that you have a net of 1200 gold from that and 200 laborers from having an army raid (no supply lines btw). The extra gold can then be used to support another gobbo stack as well. So you’ll pay another 300 gold or so from that (cause you’re raiding for 400 already), but then also get the full 400 labour which is a net of 600 labor and 900 gold from two armies raiding. You can then use that as excess to get +10 conclave influence for 200 laborers or use that to rush construction. (Or both). Of course this is an optimal scenario when you’re raiding T5 regions, but the gist is still there.

[@Schokraen]

@@andrewtobias4545 Awesome I think I got it now. Thanks for the extra explanation. :D

[@HawtDaawwgg]

Meanwhile Dark Elves can spend 600 slaves every 5 turns for 1000 gold and 2 control for one province... like seriously suck a joke that dark elves slave mechanic gets stripped and parts of it are put into a dlc :P Slaves for Dark Elves right now are just get them build income buildings, use ark rite, and everything else is optional, it doesnt matter if you use them or not, they can be helpful at times sure, but its not needed for anything speical, as a mechanic its just boring and seeing the dlc get what the slave mechanic for the Dark Elves should have been is just a punch to the gut.

[@keilanl1784]

Unfortunately Dark Elves lost their old system literally because of this exact kind of exploit in the video. Once you reach a critical mass of slave-boosting characters/heroes in a province, the slave mechanic is completely worthless and you never have to touch it again. I'd say that's pretty much just as boring :P Also, I don't know why a faction's rites being optional is a bad thing? All factions' rites are pretty much optional. That's the point of rites. In fact, I'd say Dark Elf Rites are some of the most important to their faction in the game. Do you not play Dark Elves on Very Hard or Legendary? Diktats and Rites other than Sac to Mathlann become much better when you actually receive public order problems or want various buffs. Depending on the faction you're playing, you get monsterous units as Rakarth and Malus, you get extra sacking value and buffs to Black Arks as Lokhir, and you can get Dark Conduit (which is a fantastic ability). Sorry you think the slave system is boring, but considering you're complaining DE rites are "optional" means you probably haven't gone through the effort of experiencing everything Dark Elves has to offer.

[@HawtDaawwgg]

@@keilanl1784 Im not complaining about rites, I am complaining about how they took the Dark Elves old system (being able to control where the slaves go ect) then replaced it and gave the old system to a dlc faction and updated it when they should have just updated for the Dark Elves. Overall I dont mind the new system, you cant abuse it like WH2 which is good, but right now if you wanted to (you wouldnt) you could ignore most of the rites if you wanted to and you would be fine and thats why I find it boring, its not that I think any of the rites are bad, its that in the end its just a glorified 2nd resource that you just want for income mainly which is thematic and makes sense for Dark Elves but I just wish there was abit more todo with them. But Im most likely just thinking and wanting their slave mechanic to be more important than they really are or ever will be for their faction. also I mainly play normal normal and I have only tried Morathi for Dark Elves so far in WH3, she seemed like the best choice to mess around with slaves since she had some changes and has some bonuses with slaves thanks to slaanesh corruption

[@MercytheMad]

I assume they will update the Dark Elves system with what they learned making the Chaos dwarfs...changing the cooldowns, definitely is one thing they need to add for DE.

[@Regnier575]

​@HawtDaawwgg Why is not being able to abuse it a good thing? It's a singleplayer game, someone abusing a mechanic has no effect on you 🤦

[@HawtDaawwgg]

@@Regnier575 While I agree, it is a singleplayer game for the most part, but having a province stacked with 10-20 plus something masters isnt an interesting gameplay loop, its boring, cheesy and a crutch. (Nothing wrong with cheese unless its the only/perfered/best way to do something)

[@zupdogg1760]

The real cost of a second army is additional logistical upkeep on all your armies across the board

[@andrewtobias4545]

No supply lines for chaos dwarves. Warriors of chaos don’t have them either.

[@hagenstanger788]

Aye most factions that have unit limits of some kind dont get supply lines, its a good balance mechanic to be honest.

[@zupdogg1760]

@@hagenstanger788 I didn't know that very interesting thankyou

[@beaniecrab7597]

@spiffingbrit