Influencer Concerns and Frustrates Viewers | Eugenia Cooney Case Analysis

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[@lee3171]

The only other time I have seen anyone who looks like Eugenia, it was images of concentration camp victims. To say she is thin is an absurd understatement. I'm amazed her body is still going.

[@TehKitteh01]

My best friend was diagnosed with Anorexia around the age of 20 and passed away at 40 looking as emaciated as Eugenia. Our bodies are so resilient but only for so long.

[@Krazie1nyc]

Yep! That's the 1st thing that came to my mind. She looks like a holocaust survivor

[@kateashby3066]

I’ve known women who were anorexic and never this bad and they were losing their hair in huge clumps. She’s got to be wearing a wig. It’s been my experience that anorexia goes along with other mental disorders. I don’t foresee her dying from natural causes at this rate.

[@user-jy6vp1zm9m]

My mom was this thin. She was 5’1 died at 69lbs. You can’t live forever like that.

[@vertblip]

"Underweight" and "thin" don't start to cover Eugenia's state, which tells you something about how this video is going to go. She's "emaciated".

[@DarioPriolli]

shes been concerning the internet since 2014...

[@grace4551]

And she is still going in 2023...

[@N0N4M30]

Actually it’s on purpose

[@fairykelsie]

Yupp since I was 13, I’m 22 now

[@mangore623]

That’s not how AN works. An end stage Anorexia is when the disease has been present for 5-10 years. After 9 years of AN, only 1/3 of patients recover. She’s in the end stages of the disease, and her death is a fait accompli. Anorexia doesn’t mean that you drop dead in a week or two; it’s a progressive mental/physical disease that is many years in the making.

[@joannajamerson35]

THIS

[@lunavalcreations]

She's a medical anomaly, how she even can stand up is beyond me

[@mhgg8748]

She must have a really strong body who is still figthing and not dead

[@Neonrain08]

Tbh most anorexics can survive 15 to 20 years most seem to pass away in their late 30s after having the condition 20 or so years

[@kingjoe3rd]

@@Neonrain08 exactly. Some even make it to early 40s, but late 30s seems to be the most common. Eugenia is around 30 now.

[@ruthhase-gutierrez9830]

I know a woman who has had this for over 20 years. Had to have her heart restarted in the E.R., had her rights taken away as an adult and was hospitalized numerous times. The last time I saw her, she was just 56 lbs (she's in her 40's and weighs less than my 9 year old). There's no reason she should still be alive, but she is. It's heartbreaking to watch.

[@lunavalcreations]

@@ruthhase-gutierrez9830 that's so sad

[@phokang7649]

I’ve struggled with anorexia and bulimia for almost 8 years now. TBH, if I was Eugenia and getting all this attention because of my ED I would love it. It’s sick but true. It would just enable me.

[@angelagenx6629]

I completely agree, the comments and concerns are fuel to a person with an ED. Years ago I struggled with bulimia too, I was somewhat forced into getting help before I was too deep basically due to the feeling of guilt, but comments on my weight enabled me as well. Body checking was a big part of the disorder, measuring myself, trying on my clothes regularly to see if they were looser, the satisfaction of fitting into my mom’s old size 2 clothes was like some sort of milestone because I would hear her brag about when she was at her thinnest she was a size two (she was treated for anorexia when I was very young), she was also 5’0 tall and I am 5’7” so I felt like I surpassed her and was better than her. If you can’t guess she was a big source of my eating disorder, she made a lot of comments on what I’d eat. I’m sure Eugenia’s is big source for hers as well. Her videos are also just a bunch of body checking, everything she does is fuel to her disorder. I don’t watch her content, I do occasionally watch commentary about her hoping one day I hear she’s getting help. People say to stop watching her videos, and I do think that might be a wake up call for her, it’s not a solution. She’ll still get that fuel to keep going from her mother or others in her community. It doesn’t take much to enable her disorder. Negative comments like “you’re too skinny”, “you need to eat” etc are proof to her that what’s she’s doing is working in her mind. She’s the one that ultimately has to make the decision to get help and I don’t think that’s going to happen, but I hope she proves me wrong.

[@CC_Babblecock]

I’m sorry to hear about your struggle & sending love for your recovery. Thank you for speaking out. My experience is in the caretaker role of someone who did recover. Anyone who knows the illness is aware it’s different for everyone, but her situation is now terminal. No one wants to say it, but this is what it is.

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Bingo, and yet here is another KZbinr raking in the cash- likely not to donate it or use it to better these cases.

[@georgiann6412]

Thank you for being honest.

[@eri7-11]

Not only that she's prolly making millions of dollars in ad revenue

[@islandgirl1818]

Underweight is an understatement. She's literally skin and bones. She's a walking skeleton.

[@mariahspapaya]

Yeah it’s pretty gross to look at. I don’t know how anyone would ever think that is appealing or alluring, unless they are literally out of their mind

[@hannahmitchell87]

@@mariahspapaya Anorexics don't lose weight to look appealling or alluring. It's a mental illness with deep roots & the physical symptoms are just that, symptoms. Like with cutting for example. Nobody thinks people do it because they like the way the scars look, do they?

[@Throatzillaaa]

​@@neko7606😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮6⁶

[@shay3929]

​@@Ana-iy8hqwhy are you telling others?

[@shay3929]

I'm sure she would see this comment in a positive way

[@leslieroth698]

As someone who struggled with anorexia for 30 yrs. Lots of relapses. Eugenia does promote it. Blue butterflies are sign of pro anorexia movement. She uses them and says she just likes them. She has young girls list their BMI in every post. It's a bad situation. Anorexia as a lifestyle has tons of support. I wish I had the answers. I am a grandma and still bodycheck and am still obsessed. On disability from spinal damage from overexercise. Eugenia is dangerous.

[@foreverNwonder]

❤️‍🩹 wishing you the best

[@leslieroth698]

Thank you so much!❤

[@Foxflight-pl5nd]

That is very interesting, on the blue butterflies. Very good to know for the future. And it means she is using "code words" only a certain community will understand; this makes her case more concerning, as it makes it more certain she is doing these things on purpose.

[@cocobutter3175]

Thank you for this. I've seen that she promotes it, she just does it very slyly, and I hate that she's getting away with it. I feel bad for kids and anyone struggling with it that gets recommended her videos. I wish she was at least age restricted, especially with all the intentional flashing.

[@concettaworkman5895]

Butterflies are also Mk Ultra. This diabolical government is running all these scams. Yes.

[@R4CHEL__]

Her mother plays a major role in supporting her social media and is the one behind the camera most of the time. It’s incredibly concerning and hasn’t gotten any better over the years, simply continues to spiral.

[@metalmamasue3680]

Yes !!!!! That's a huge part of this and has to be addressed in order to present the whole picture.

[@JamieWedge]

It's the $$$ if she gets healthy she will get less attention and views

[@margodphd]

Yeah. It's... concerning. How can her overweight mother not see the level of emaciation?

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Her mom strikes me as abusive, actually. She’s probably causing her issues more than she’s “enabling” them.

[@jenniferashley99]

In 1992 I worked at a frozen yogurt store. We had nonfat sugar free yogurt..it was shocking the girls who would eat that only. One young girl died who came in twice a day eating that, and sometimes would vomit before eating in our bathroom. I still think of her after all these years and what she missed out on in life..its such a cruel disorder and if Eugene doesnt get help soon she will have the same outcome

[@Ipetam]

I am honestly surprised she's still alive, and i really hope shes able to accept help before its too late.

[@SalemSphynx]

Me too, its beyond painful seeing humans make themselves suffer like that:(

[@JoBlo321]

Me too! She looks like a walking skeleton. I find it odd that her family and even the police are willing to turn a blind eye to it. Just like Karen Carpenter...her heart will eventually give out.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Each year I wonder if this is the year she doesn't make it. I'm afraid that if she makes it to the end of this year, next year will, sadly, be her last. There's no way her body can hold out any longer. 😢

[@kina18]

​@@KimberlyLetsGo She has lost so much weight even recently. Her face doesn't even have flesh, it's like a skull. I don't see how she can go on much longer. I wonder if a doctor has told her that she's deteriorated to the point that refeeding is going to be dangerous and possibly will not work. So she decided to enjoy what time she has left. The whole visiting Jeffree Star seems like a make a wish or something.

[@pnwlady]

It’s shocking how many people would rather die than gain weight.

[@thull21]

She's already dead, she just doesn't know it yet. The amount of damage she has done to her body is beyond the point where she can recover.

[@kaitlyngault3987]

You're not wrong... but seeing likes behind this comment is still eerie as heck.

[@thull21]

@@kaitlyngault3987 Yeah, really was not expecting this.

[@beachlife4346]

@@kaitlyngault3987 people like because they agree not that they "like" that she can't recover.

[@luna_belle5029]

​@@beachlife4346this is correct

[@BenildeMoreno]

​@@kaitlyngault3987 Yeah, that's terrible but she's right. Even if she attempts a recovery and manages to get rid of the disorder, the damage is done.

[@rweems5796]

Many years ago I knew a young woman, a veterinarian who owned her own practice. She suffered from anorexia and bulemia. She was smart, a professional and loved by her family, a family that had struggled to help her. She experienced multiple crises, each of which left her mid-30’s body ever more depleted. She was one of those women when shown a photo of her within in a group, she couldn’t identify herself in any photo - she saw herself as fat, regardless of just how cadaverous she actually was. A matter of months later she was dead due to organ failure. Until the individual wholly accepts a reality reflective of her/his actual health state, this is one psychological problem that is almost impossible to overcome.

[@MiniiCitrus]

I'm a student nurse and have worked as a CNA, so I've seen a lot of grisly things, from open bilateral leg amputations to unstageable pressure ulcers. Eugenia's illness gives me a visceral feeling of horror that I haven't experienced with anything else so far.

[@OscarFrosty]

You should visit the eating disorder clinic in your hospital some day - I think you would meet a group of kind hearted, artistic and wonderfully caring people, although wounded and traumatized. People that deserve treatment for their life threatening disorder. I know this because I was one of those people. It's horrifying. Eugenia is suffering immensely and deeply. It baffles me why people can't see this.

[@gayleoverly7613]

I’m a home health aide. I’ve worked with a lot of elderly ladies who suffer from eating disorders. From binging to restricting. It’s really hard to have a changing body as we age.

[@MiniiCitrus]

@OscarFrosty what? Of course she deserves treatment and empathy? I can be horrified by what I see and still feel that way.

[@WhatisReal11]

Its a miracle she has stayed alive lookin that way for over a decade, its unreal.

[@slowyourroll1146]

@@OscarFrosty we can see it, but we can't forget the fact that she is negatively impacting others in her community and in general

[@patricial641]

You should do an episode on her mother - who is her enabler. She’s almost 30 and could afford to leave home and be on her own but it seems she is stuck being a child.

[@crazy_old_bat]

Wait…she’s almost 30?!? She looks 18 tops.

[@911dips5]

Yes ,her mom is nuts. Totally enmeshed with her daughter

[@marcellepesek3038]

@@911dips5 Well, someone at home had to see this happening from childhood on, and done nothing - if anything, encouraging it. I'm surprised Social Services weren't called in and had her taken away!

[@nattyfalk3185]

I've been thinking about her mom since about 2018, I have a strong feeling that her mom is using her!

[@annnee6818]

Her mom said "I know she eats she's fine!" It's insane. I can't imagine what would get a mother to say that. Either total denisl combined with extreme ignorance or... she likes the thinspo money.

[@mori.kurogawa7936]

I've had anorexia for 13 years, at my lowest I've weighed 35 kilos at 160 cm. When I was sick I didn't realize that I looked awful and sadness-inducing. Later, when I saw the photos I gasped. I have also been bullied at school and at home by my father. At some point I just started recovering. I guess after all those years I gained distance from the trauma and got better mentally. Art helped me personally a lot. Seeing anorectics still hurts me a lot, but no, it doesn't make me want to relapse. I've reached normal weight, got my cycle back and now growing a baby boy 🤰

[@TehKitteh01]

Congratulations on your recovery and on the soon to be baby boy. I'm so proud of you!

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

I'm so happy for you. 💛

[@stefs3460]

Congratulations on both your recovery and baby boy arriving soon! You must be a really strong person to get thru that. That is a very difficult illness to recover from.

[@sonder122]

Good on you, best of wishes.

[@J3nJ3nl0llip0p]

Psssst...it CAN come back AFTER birthing...as a fellow, who went through it...I'm thrilled for you! Please just be aware it RE-FLARES post-birth for alot of us. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@badgurl5758]

How could any adult say that she doesnt need treatment? She needs help in every way possible, not social media clicks. Soo sad 💔

[@ramfaki1256]

Precisely my dear...hate the tragical reality that she's dying in front of peoples' eyes day by day. Doesn't any family member worries about her existence?It's a matter of surviving,-let alone well being,health,e.t.c..

[@GreenxEmerald]

Honestly I’m surprised she’s survived this long, I always expect to hear she’s passed. Very sad and upsetting.

[@msbluesky]

Dr. Grande could you analize Eugenia's mother role on this situation? She has appeared many times on her videos and continues reassuring that she is doing ALRIGHT, that SHE KNOWS how to take care of herself. On the other side, she goes everywhere with her, even when Eugenia visit friends, and some people say she's controlling and profiting from Eugenia's eating disorder. I'm sure there are many parents like her and would be interesting to analise this kind of family dynamic.

[@KellyLCornell]

Her mother is in denial, she cannot accept the guilt of acknowledging she neglected her child throughout her upbringing. So she refuses to see the truth, which is why Eugenia consistently tests and challenges her mother by making the public speculate on her weight.

[@traceyarnaud8433]

@@KellyLCornellI’m not so sure she feels guilty sadly

[@KellyLCornell]

@@traceyarnaud8433 she doesn't, because she doesn't allow herself to acknowledge the truth I believe

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

@@traceyarnaud8433 Sadly, there are a lot of toxic parents out there. Even if she's in denial, I don't think that's an excuse for letting your child die.

[@mary-melissatyree4003]

her mom is the biggest problem..she is the enabler. She wants Eugenia exactly as she is. She will loose her cash cow so to speak.

[@jbegg1978]

The weirdest thing about this to me is the police officer who said she’s “always been thin” and likes chicken sandwiches. As if there’s no problem here. Also what a weird thing for a police officer to say. Maybe she’s surrounded by enablers like this.

[@farmgal77]

I think he's on the payroll

[@thegreencat9947]

She may "like" chicken sandwiches...but she is not eating them. Bad policeman...bad..bad..boy. shame on them all.

[@pamelapamper]

So is he supposed to arrest her for starving herself?

[@jbegg1978]

@@pamelapamper no. But why would he even say something like this? So unprofessional and bizarre for a law enforcement officer.

[@thegreencat9947]

@@pamelapamper To protect and serve....direct community assistance to her needs. Let her know there is acceptance and assistance.

[@user-bp6gp2rc1v]

It doesn’t ‘seem’ like a life and death situation, it IS a life or death situation.

[@PaletaLee]

Soo true! And the fact it doesn't kill someone quickly, makes people sometimes reluctant in seeing the truth 😢

[@margali666]

I hate that KZbin is pushing her content when searching for totally unrelated videos like spinning wool or cast-on for knitting.

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Isnt that on KZbin? The way in 2016 it was pushing vidoes of children to anyone who searched “bikini haul.” KZbin used to show you content based on vicinity but those kids had a lot of foreign men time stamping in the comments with ❤❤❤❤

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

As a registered dietitian it is safe to assume that she qualifies for the diagnosis of malnutrition. Furthermore, in a culture that is already obsessed with body image, she is a terrible influence for teenagers. Thank you for the review Dr. Grande.❤

[@AbadonBIack]

To be fair, she doesn't encourage anyone to do what she does (she actually pretends like there's no issue) and I highly doubt any teenager is looking at her, reading her comments, etc and feeling pressured to get thinner. If anything, she's actively showing people what happens when a disorder like that goes unchecked.

[@Dietconsulting]

​@@AbadonBIack this is actually how anorexic teens will think as they look at her. RD here and I've spent a lot of time talking to people with EDs

[@AbadonBIack]

@@Dietconsulting I think it may be a bit different in her case because she's universally slammed, from people calling her a bad person for even existing on the internet to people shouting at her from every possible angle to seek help, though both are only doing it for their own gratification imo. It's less like a 15 year old looking at a model who's a bit too thin or an already thin celebrity pushing a new diet, where they get praise for behaviors that are ultimately harmful, if not for them than for normal teenage girls who suddenly feel inadequate in comparison to them. If KZbin still had dislikes she'd be decimated, vs someone like Grimes for example that's viewed as quirky or interesting because she eats nothing but spaghetti for a year, risking her health and well-being and making it seem like a fun thing to do and getting praised for it or alongside it.

[@HereTakeAFlower]

​@@AbadonBIack I'm gonna be honest, if they see her as a celebrity, all the criticism she gets goes out of the window. Remember that SSSniperWolf is a literal criminal and a scrub and yet is considered "the face of girl game streaming". In conclusion, I'd strongly advice to keep mentally unstable celebrities as far as possible from teen girls in particular. My ideal solution would by if she went the Nikocado way and showed signs of improvement to her audience, otherwise too bad, the cultural landscape won't really miss her.

[@herpiss]

What’s really crazy is that the majority of people who watch her videos actually hate her or have a fetish for women with EDs.

[@Tomy_Yon]

That girl is an Amy Winehouse case. Everyone knows something has to be done, but nothing happens...

[@joelhall5124]

But her friends did do something! It didn't end well

[@XYZ-kb3mm]

cuz you can’t just cure something someone doesn’t want to treat, just like anything else. she’s not literally trying to kill herself with violence so hospitals can’t prove anything. this is her own doing, and she’s the only one who can undo it. not her fault but her responsibility

[@sexyitalian891]

Yeah, to be honest, it's a bad read of the situation. She's a grown adult. She can make her own decisions at this point. It's not on anyone else to change her or fix things. It's all on her.

[@cleoh666]

​@nocnoc9931 they've done them but her mum has a hold over the situation

[@lilys7431]

She’s an adult not much anyone can do.

[@jillianelainec]

She didn't continue to pursue modeling because the modeling agencies wanted her to get rid of her social media presence and she wouldn't. There's also videos from her old Facebook account that indicate she was the bully, not the bullied.

[@Callmethebreeze902]

This is absolutely terrifying as a mom. I wish she’d learn Karen Carpenter’s same struggle and plight dying in her early 30’s. Sadly I fear this isn’t going to end well. Being skinny and wasting away aren’t the same thing.

[@heidicarlton6296]

Get the mom out of her life. Same issue as K. Carpenter with her mom. So sad.

[@true282]

You should look into her mother. Red flags everywhere. Even the mother refuses to acknowledge her daughter’s illness.

[@echogl]

Eugenia is 29 years old - an adult.

[@Fazerella]

​@@echoglher mother lives with her so she is very much relevant to this issue. Also, your children being "adult" doesn't void your responsibility as a parent to your unwell child.

[@Missticc]

DENIAL. There has to be some mental health issues surrounding this.

[@sun_paper_girl]

@@Fazerella I'm just guessing and giving her mother the benefit of the doubt, but maybe her mom knows she doesn't have long so she plays along. and or maybe Eugenia herself is threatening her mother in some weird way.

[@metalmamasue3680]

If you don't know, her mother has been on video with her saying she's fine. Because of her condition, many caIIed about her and her mother moved the famiIy from NE to Texas, in the Houston area I beIieve to escape the scrutiny. Her mother toId Eugenia that if she Ieaves her to get heIp, her mother wiII have a heart attack and die. Obviously there are huge red flags with her mother who is 4 or more times her size. The doors are kept tightly locked and her mother aIways answers it. She may be 30 but she's far from an independent aduIt. So no, her mother doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Not at all. This has been going on for 10 yrs or more.

[@peakydene1943]

I’m also surprised she is alive and that her heart is still functioning. She’s lost so much muscle and it’s bound to affect her heart. I’m 80 and I remember in the ‘70s when the world sadly watched the multi-talented, lovely singer Karen Carpenter-who even Elton John and Paul McCartney were quoted as saying had one of the most beautiful female voices in the world-waste away and become thinner and thinner in just a few years because of anorexia. Neither her friends nor her brother, Richard Carpenter, who was the other half of their famous singing duo, “The Carpenters,” could save her from starving herself to death from the Eating Disorder, and her heart gave out and just stopped beating and she died in 1983 at age 32. It was quite sad. This woman appears to be even thinner than Karen was at her death.

[@christinehutchins123]

I think she was at a healthy weight when she died. The damage was already done to her body. That's the thing,they can recover mentally and emotionally, but may die anyway because some damage physically remains. Very sad.

[@marthawilkins1303]

Carpenter was using ipacec syrup to induce vomiting as well as laxatives to empty her bowels. She may have died from hypokalemia (low potassium)

[@CarrieK-qh8dr]

So incredibly sad...hopefully Eugenia will get the help she needs soon

[@monkeynumbernine]

I remember that, I can't believe this young woman is alive and she's thinner than Karen Carpenter.

[@hw7029]

@@marthawilkins1303yes! These over-the-counter drugs caused her death. She was abusing them to lose weight. Such a sad story.

[@philippal8666]

My last inpatient AN admission was at 34. 7 years ago. Statistics are statistics, you can recover. Those with AN are determined. They can do anything. I never saw myself as thin. The angles I photographed myself at mirrored Eugenias. Sometimes I saw a flicker of it. However weight restored, I look in horror. I don’t look like ‘me’ I was disturbingly ugly. The problem was fear. Absolute terror of feeling things again. I was in a hospital which made you stable. I hit a certain BMI and could Think again. It was weird. I kept a social life, a job, the normal. But I was numbing huge pain that I’m still dealing with. I can however now Scuba dive, mountain climb, I worked through Covid. Recovery is possible after decades. But. Social development needs help.

[@tc-s3510]

Congratulations on your recovery and continued success; I cannot even imagine how hard the journey has been for you. Stay strong and know that we are also celebrating your success. ❤

[@kkalani97]

Congrats! Yay!

[@charitygoldart]

Wow, what an amazing recovery story! Well done you.

[@CC_Babblecock]

I am sorry to hear about your struggle, but pls don’t compare your situation to hers. We don’t know you or what stage you were at. Some people (at this stage) might get a miracle, but in my experience in the caretaker role, EC is terminal. It’s dangerous to suggest it might not be.

[@charitygoldart]

@@CC_Babblecock She didn’t compare her situation to Eugenia’s, she just shared her story to give other people hope. Doing her down here is really not appropriate; she’s overcome a huge challenge, you should be offering support & encouragment, not judgement.

[@Juhani139]

One of the few times I disagree with Dr Grande. She should NOT be allowed to post - it will affect her mental health negatively to get positive feedback about her current situation.

[@ramfaki1256]

👌🏻👌🏻👍🏻❗

[@PaletaLee]

I agree 1000%

[@bluetextonwhitebg]

not to mention she is 100% glorifying and fetishizing eating disorders. there is no way she has not lead dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of her viewers down the same path.

[@franciscopino5284]

Calling that body "skinny" is a huge euphemism. It is simply amazing to see how a skeleton can walk and move by itself. Just the idea that someone can find that image of death attractive is mind-blowing.

[@LaciRae]

referring to her as a skeleton is her favorite compliment.

[@marcellepesek3038]

@@LaciRae That really says it all, doesn't it? And she's permitted to stay online to mislead others into this same misrepresentation of what a human female body should look like? What a disservice to society! There have to be some limits!

[@LaciRae]

@@marcellepesek3038 extremes will always exist. fortunately, most do not aspire to be one of the extreme. those who do are wired differently. like the people who get plastic surgery to the point of no longer looking like a naturally designed human. banning the sight of people deemed “freaks of nature” by the masses is inhumane/unethical. that’s not the road that should be taken.

[@artieche9]

She’s calls herself the skeleton queen

[@cleopatra444]

@@artieche9ew , for real 😷

[@CatalinaFOIA]

At a minumum I wish Eugenia was told that she must age restrict her videos to 18+ yrs of age or older to view. This won't prevent all young children/teens from viewing her videos however it would change the algorithm for pushing out her content to young viewers.

[@whosaidthat9265]

Should the same apply to fat positivity folks who actively talk about and encourage obesity?

[@kisaragistation5220]

​@@whosaidthat9265 Like who?

[@jeninegrasc8414]

I agree. Who gets to be the arbitror of what’s acceptable self ab*se to post? KZbin, I guess. Does that mean if a person wants to cut, or smoke m*th, or sh*t hero*n or a host of other things to self destruct, that it should be able to be accessed by anyone under a certain age group? I’m all for freedom of speech and all, I just wonder if by the opinion that this is a mental illness, I’m mean, come on, the woman is skeletal, that it’s then hard to deny any one the right to post anything on KZbin that might be considered harmful in that similar vein. Do you think anyone would really want that? Slippery slope. 😬

[@whosaidthat9265]

@kisaragistation5220 are you serious? You want me to make a list of the numerous "fat influencers" who proudly boast about their excessive daily calorie intake, go on rants about how disappointing it us when other obese people have the ordacity to lose weight and protest that science and doctors are wrong about the negative impacts being g obese has on one's health? Let me guess....that's not happening? 😅

[@EllaNonimato]

when you upload to youtube there is a part where you have to choose if it is childrens content or not. if it is you can't comment.

[@Voning.]

My heart breaks as a mother. I couldn’t see my son withering away like this. I pray for this poor girl, whatever internal suffering she may be suffering.

[@inmydarkesthour2278]

Exactly! Something seriously wrong with her family

[@paulasoy2731]

Thank you for at least showing her some compassion. ❤ Most people are just spiteful and hateful towards her.

[@mindyschocolate]

@@paulasoy2731because it’s gross to do this to her viewers. She’s blowing them off. She’s manipulative. Why they stick around to “try to help her” is beyond me. I won’t contribute to that train wreck so I avoid that channel.

[@kitgin4504]

Her mother and she make money doing these videos. Don't kid yourself.

[@roadlesstraveled34]

I was a teenager and ballet dancer in the late 90's, during the heroin chic thing. Magazines and models like Kate Moss ABSOLUTELY influenced me, I'm 39, so I've had anorexia or bulimia for about 27 years. (Wow ... I never did the math before.) I phase in and out of recovery. Right now I'm out. Obviously there are many things that cause an eating disorder but it wasn't hard to find media that encouraged me to keep at it.

[@alittlebindi25]

Her family profits off her physical and mental illness and they have denied this woman, their child, a normal life. They need to be held accountable.

[@Truthseeker-kc8rd]

I feel so too. Someone should atleast lodge a complaint or sue.. i dont know if thats possible.

[@nikkis7375]

You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to receive help sadly.

[@OneFreeButterfly]

im sure they benefit some how from her earnings over the years however her family is already well off. they live in a muli million dollar home her dad is really the sole bread winner her mom hasnt worked since her kids were born.

[@KellyLCornell]

I believe her mother is in denial because she cannot accept the guilt of the neglect she imposed on her daughter. Her mother is mentally ill and is unwilling to acknowledge reality.

[@dizzymindy6024]

I agree

[@oliviakalinowski8742]

I was hospitalized for anorexia when I was 15. I was 5’6, 79 pounds. My heart rate was in the teens and I could barely stand. I’m shocked that she is alive and able to live a seemingly “normal” life. I genuinely had no energy and she looks more unhealthy than I did. I wish her nothing but the best and hope she finds a way out of this.

[@lauracatherine9925]

when I suffered from anorexia, i'm 5'5 and got just below 100 lbs before i was forced into treatment...i was always in the hospital for potassium deficiency, i cannot help but think she has permanently damaged her body...just when i think she can't get any skinnier she somehow does....and i know it's really not about being skinny. To me food was poison and i felt clean and pure without it, i hated food, it was an enemy. Telling someone they're too skinny is a compliment when you have an eating disorder such as anorexia,. I didn't get my period for 5 years, i feel really bad...she shouldnt have subs. She needs to be sectioned

[@catseatcookiessofiagacha5210]

I'm so glad your ok.❤❤❤

[@Jose-Gonzalez-cfl]

I struggle to keep my weight up, digestive issues, not eating disorders, and when my weight starts to dip into under 20 BMI, still within the normal range, and I feel it. Tiredness, foggy, general malaise, etc... Once I'm able to gain a few pounds, I'm a completely different person. I have no idea how she has energy to stand.

[@Getbackjojo]

This is self harm - and against all social media guideline

[@cupcakegiver]

Dr. Grande, you are very well-spoken, have a perfectly even temperament, and are able to discuss these sensitive subjects with such delicacy that it is remarkable. Thank you for always being so thoughtful in your perspective.

[@briana_patrick]

Thank you for addressing how she's very deliberate about her titles. People tend to baby her and act as if she's completely innocent and unaware of the affect she's had on people. But it's very clear that she knows exactly what to do to get people to talk. It's right in front of our faces. She is sick, but that doesn't excuse all the troublesome things she's done over the years. She's going to pass away without ever taking accountability.

[@taylors445]

Exactly. She’s not as innocent as she likes to portray. She has first hand knowledge of the damage she does online. Her discord was full of underaged girls who were helping each other lose weight in order to look like her. Her own moderators were giving out diet advice. Plus some of them were predatory and harassing the young girls in the community. When people complained to Eugenia she pretty much said that she wouldn’t do anything about it. She said that the predator was nice to her so she didn’t see a reason to ban them. Only when she got enough public backlash did she even ban the creeps in her discord. A lot of people believe that these people who fetishize ED are paying her and the person harassing these girls was one of her biggest supporters. That’s why she didn’t want to get rid of them. Honestly I could believe it because she’s so willing to troll her audience and those who show concern. Her titles and her videos that she constantly body checks in are evidence enough. Not to mention all the “accidental” flashing. She’s a 29 year old women. Though she acts like she’s naive, we all know that’s not the case. Her old videos were much more vulgar and offensive. She only started this innocent act when people really started coming after her for promoting ED. I understand it is a complicated situation, especially with her mother. However she shouldn’t be treated like a baby when she’s definitely not as ignorant as she likes to behave. The mom pulls the same innocent act. I’m sure that’s were she learned it. The mom showed her true colors to Jaclyn Glenn and Eugenia’s old friend group when they had the intervention. She was screaming at them, cursed them out and tried to get them arrested on kidnapping charges. Not only that but she told Eugenia to run away from the police and mental health professionals. Clearly the mom has the ultimate say over Eugenia’s day to day life. I’m guessing the only control Eugenia has is her ED and her online presence. Maybe that’s why she acts out online. It doesn’t excuse her behavior but it sure would explain a lot.

[@jezabell]

I think her titles are sarcasm. Getting back at the bullies by trolling them.

[@AMYV3]

She gets paid by men that have sexual fetishes by idk crossing her legs or bending over or lifting heavy boxes. They talk to her in code while she’s streaming when she’s doing what they want and you can see them send money to her This isn’t a conspiracy theory. You can see it and people can show you. If you don’t see it. It’s so odd. I didn’t know that was allowed. Onky fans may be a better place to be.

[@deb3670]

​@@taylors445 Well said and you're right!

[@AMYV3]

Another thing that is so concerning is her relationships in her family her mother and brother don’t work so she is supporting them they are also overweight no I wouldn’t say they are terribly unhealthy in danger. But I fear she sees them and it gives her another reason to not gain weight. To her. They are everything she can’t stand. But the real sore spot is that she had no family to help her make the right decisions. The moment she gets healthy. She looses subs. She just doesn’t have any talents that can get millions of people to be interested in her. And her family knows this. So anyone that tries to help her is going to be torn down by not only her but her family as well. Now that is maddening. To choose money over your siblings, daughters life. Needs to be against the law. Putting people in danger that may cause her death.

[@lkreyche]

My late husband was a psychiatrist starting in the 1980s. He had excellent results in those days. Patients lived in hospitals, went to school there, sometime for 2 or 3 years. That's when insurers stopped it. They were losing money. They started imposing lifetime caps on treatment. Outcomes are worse now.

[@Taureanfitness]

If I had an opportunity to stay in the hospital for a year or 2 I would have 100% recovered. But anytime I got even remotely close to getting better. They kicked me out and said oh, you're good now. Yeah, right? I was not even close. I relapsed the day after I got home every time. I'm a really strong person but I didn't even have the option of a good transitional step downtown. It is so I went from street impatient too. Seeing an outpatient therapist once or twice a month, which was not nearly enough. I have little resources and not enough money for treatment. It's frustrating and many times I just throw my hands up and give in.

[@frumtheground]

I wasn't alive in the 80s, but this doesn't surprise me at all. It's hard to find adequate treatment for most things as it is. And EDs are notoriously difficult to treat. It's so sad.

[@mizconti]

During the Reagan era .. my mom lived abroad and came back after what you speak of and saw homeless populations being an actual thing.

[@essennagerry]

​@@Taureanfitness I'm so sad to hear about these unfortunate things you had to go through. Please keep fighting, I'm so thankful you're still here. I wish you all the best in everything! ❤

[@drk7031]

@@Taureanfitnessyou have to find the motivation within you and change your mindset . That’s the key .

[@lucilanavarrete9287]

It is unbelievable how her heart is still working.

[@lisabracken273]

Karen Carpenter lost her life at 32 - the body cannot sustain itself like this as it ages

[@voodoochild7533]

Back in 2012 she use to frequent a clothing store I worked at. She was quite thin but not like this. She was always so warm, sweet, and genuinely kind to my co workers and I! Seeing her like this is heartbreaking.

[@whatrtheodds]

Kind as long as her anna addiction is met. She isn't kind to herself though. Her lifespan will most likely not be older than 35 let's be honest

[@sidneycat432]

She has destroyed all of her muscle, it’s a wonder she can even walk.

[@Haley497]

And everyone seems to forget the main muscle in our bodies is the heart. She has displayed severe atrophy of all her visible muscles for a while now. Just hope the heart doesn't follow during a live stream.

[@foundmary]

she cant even function normally, she twitches, stutters a lot, walks like shes walking on glass, its horrid

[@ebudae]

And her teeth and hair will fall out.

[@afangforapples]

She can only get so underweight before her heart just.....gives up. The heart is a muscle, and when there's literally no other muscle left in your body well....

[@daisydaniel4593]

The power of influence and the collateral damage that ensues has been side-stepped.

[@StrangeArrangements]

My 14 year old granddaughter was following her and lost a large amount of weight. She would refuse to tell us her weight or get on a scale. Eventually, she came to her senses and is at a healthy weight. That girl is dangerous IMO.

[@theraptorsnest5891]

Kuddo's to your granddaughter for turning this very destructive mental condition around!!!!!!!!!!

[@foreverNwonder]

So true and I’m so glad your granddaughter is back on a healthy path!! Kudos to her and I hope she continues to improve ❤️

[@alexialira3839]

So many people of all ages watch her or at least know about her, but know it's unhealthy and don't fall into an ED spiral. Eugenia doesn't have that power to influence healthy folks into looking like her. It's vital to pinpoint the reason(s) your granddaughter (people in general) fell into it and address them. Was she bullied? Is her home unstable? Fights at home? Issues at home? Are the parents not having talks with her? Are they too busy working/stressed to talk to their kids and just have one on one time? Is she depressed? Anxious, ocd? Is she sad the guy she likes is into thin girls idk, Whatever, etc. It's very young people going through something mentally that get sucked into an unhealthy spiral and actually seek other unhealthy people. Similarity breeds liking. So people, be present in your children's lives.

[@Katch.22]

IMO, ur granddaughter was easily influenced and needs to strengthen that. Eugenia has nothing to do with what she chooses.

[@lillyvgutierrez9685]

Omg wow

[@oneluckygirlandherdog]

Well we can see from the rapid response to Dr Grandes video here how interested people are in hearing a certified professional's opinion on Eugenia. Thank you for doing this video Dr Grande.

[@ihaveseensuchthings]

@oneluckygirlandherdog Agreed. For years I’ve been deeply alarmed by the influence Eugenia’s reach may be having on young minds, especially those vulnerable to EDs. But listening to Dr. Grande, this was the first time I’ve considered another side. As horrifying and unwanted as it would be, if this disease ultimately does take her life, the problem of anorexia and the legitimate risk it poses to life will perhaps be more broadly recognized and understood by millions of young viewers and fans. Death is an abstract until it becomes a known quantity. I have to hope that’s some kind of silver lining.

[@EllaNonimato]

his certified professional opinion was ridiculous, tho.

[@robertwasinger8193]

@@Colleenrefine same with overweight people!

[@avalore90]

@@EllaNonimato Why do you think so?

[@bonnie7684]

@@EllaNonimatoIf her appearance is upsetting, just don’t watch. Juveniles internet use should be supervised by their guardians/parents.🤷‍♀️

[@missyb15]

surprised you didn't mention her mother controlling her every move.

[@samanthahicks3333]

She needs long term hospitalization. I can only imagine how exhausted she is after doing one of her videos.

[@christinadiaz4349]

That girl is unaliving herself. Any sane person can see that. That’s it!!!🙌🏼

[@arizbethreyes3813]

We all are

[@PurpleGold.]

In front of our eyes. What a disturbing world we live in.

[@e.e.harrison1357]

It's her way of checking out.

[@christinadiaz4349]

@@PurpleGold. my God! 🙏🏼

[@l-l-amy-l-l]

Unaliving in slow motion...

[@PamelaH_HappyVibes]

In 1989 I had an awesome best friend Vicky that had this same eating disorder. She was the first person to hold my Son when he was born that year. She passed away a couple months later due to cardiac arrest. This was caused because she didn’t eat enough. It crushed me! She was my Son’s Godmother and a wonderful person. I hope Eugenia gets help before it is too late.

[@ev9738]

She may have had an endocrine disorder.

[@annettepiff4583]

Karen Carpenter also died from anorexia.

[@ryrez4478]

​@@ev9738 cant u get an endocrine disorder from not eating enough?

[@StressDespot]

13:15 "if she were obese, nobody would be criticizing her this way" um, dr. todd... may i direct your attention to nickocado avocado?

[@susan9188]

As a retired Nurse whose cared for many anorexics my observations are. Anorexics control their body because they feel they are unable to control anything else in their life, but their own body. She is almost 30 years old, but her relationship with her Mother is akin to a five year old. It seems she cannot do anything without the reliance of her Mother. Her Mother says she does eat and that Doctors say she is perfectly healthy which is a big fat lie. This girl is in the final stages of life, she has no muscle at all anywhere because her body has used every single bit of energy it can muster by eating away at the muscle to keep her alive. This also means her heart rate will be dangerously raised and she will have problems breathing and will cough a lot. Her Mother has Munchhousens by Proxy for sure!

[@Yungdiogenes]

This is sad. I remember being a teenager hoping she would recover.

[@Olivetree80]

Same, it's crazy how long this has gone on, I'm 25 now

[@metroscene]

Same and I’m almost 30.

[@TomasPetkevicius94]

Same. I'm old now.

[@evenbetterthanthereaIthing]

Imagine she outlives all of us.....

[@leokimvideo]

I'm really surprised Eugenia Cooney is still allowed to be on KZbin considering how strict the terms of service are now especially related to 'shocking content'. Just the mental health aspects going on is also extremely worrying. What I don't understand is why her content is often pushed up and featured on my homepage at times. KZbin normally stamp out producers who have a negative effect and shocking content, yet Eugenia Cooney is untouched by the incredible systems that are set to 'protect' the audience and producers.

[@TremblingQualifier]

Because you watch it

[@leokimvideo]

@@TremblingQualifier Just to let you know I DO NOT watch her content. I don't need to view 'shocking content'

[@84rinne_moo]

@@TremblingQualifierI literally never watch her videos and I always tell YT that “do not show me this” and I have reported her videos before. Yet without fail, they still pop up in my feed eventually. Hmmmm

[@hodgeelmwood8677]

I'm surprised she's still alive.

[@cinarynroll]

@@hodgeelmwood8677tbh I thought that’s what we are waiting for…I hope she recovers :(

[@Iretsm]

Dr. Todd, I love the cadence to your voice. It chills me out me. Also, I find your analyses very interesting… can’t stop binge watching your videos..

[@Taffi0623]

Omg. I just watched the first 15 seconds of her latest video about Halloween products and she is literally skin and bones. It is horrifying…this poor young woman is in the clutches of one of the deadliest diseases there is. Prayers for her! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@mindyschocolate]

She won’t accept prayers. She’s against help. Don’t waste your time.

[@Teaselpoppy]

I wish people would stop comparing her to Karen Carpenter. Karen had talent and didn't flaunt her illness, she also did not play to fetishists.

[@intentionallyleftblank3016]

That silky voice! I loved that she played the drums too. 🥁

[@Yumicpcake]

That's not why they are comparing her. It's the eating disorder- as if you didn't know !

[@polly_nah]

If you have a look at Eugenia's earlier content was actually very charismatic and clearly had something that attracted people to follow her before she got infamous for her weight... She also could have been a professional makeup artist or fashion designer with her talent/skills, but unfortunately her illness took that away from her EDIT: re-reading this now I really do hope that she still has time to explore her creativity and talents further or at least finds peace... Probably away from the internet if I had to guess 🙏

[@audacious6312]

Yikes. She’s extremely sick. You are asking someone who is mentally sick to act mentally sound because you think she somehow owes her viewers something. Her being talented or not has nothing to do with this. Look where all that talent got Karen Carpenter. Her mother always thought her brother was the great talent in the fam NO matter what she did.

[@UsernamesForDummies]

She has often been asked to age-restrict her videos, which would at least keep children from consuming her content, but she refuses to do so. This gives me the impression that she cares immensely for the money her very young audience brings in. Personally, I find that irresponsible, greedy and completely selfish.

[@WindsofChange]

I love your username....just saying....LOL

[@UsernamesForDummies]

@@WindsofChange 😀thanks!

[@jernisharichard5032]

Yes,she is not a good role model for children... especially if this eating disorder will affect them negatively.😢

[@agostinodublino1387]

she makes me feel so nervous that after a few minutes into this video I made myself 2 sandwiches- just for safety

[@karyannfontaine8757]

I am one of the people who requested, politely, that she begins a fans only channel. She could have a regular channel and another fans only to do different things to please those who subscribe.

[@amccann7]

One thing about Anorexia Nervosa is that victims of the disease have a distorted view of themselves. When they look in the mirror they see themselves as overweight, even though everyone else sees them as underweight. Even in her videos she may see herself as overweight. It’s hard for us to understand, but its a well-known feature of the disease that people who suffer from it, really have an unrealistic image of themselves.

[@silb8498]

it's horrifying that KZbin is letting this going on.

[@made-line7627]

She has indeed mastered the skill of saying a lot without saying anything.

[@susanlee8609]

Glad you covered this story. The fact she's nearly 30 makes it more disturbing. Surprised you didnt bring up her arrested development and any theories you may have on why an adult woman wants to look, including dress, act and sound like an adolescent or teen and even a child, such as some kind of trauma. That is how she is connecting with that age group. She is playing dumb by acting like she doesn't know how she could influence them when she knows that she is acting like their age! So of course, when they watch her, they're not seeing a nearly thirty year old woman. They are seeing someone like themselves or their friends. At this point she can wear toddler clothes. My daughter was treated for an eating disorder. And at the hospital, we had family group therapy with all the parents, and kids and one exercise was to list bad influences and she was listed along with Thinspo and anorexic models and actresses as an influence, making them feel like they had to be that thin to be attractive. She may not outwardly try to encourage people to do that. But she covertly does it by flaunting her body in those outfits, making teen, preteen maybe even younger girls feel fat if they can't wear clothes that small a size.

[@Emilysmith-oi1rg]

A lot of adults like cute alternative fashion it's not weird

[@earthmama9597]

This obviously stems from trauma! Eugenia and company moved to another state after a friend of Eugenia got her in mandatory treatment. She was looking better. I saw a video where Eugenia talks about wanting a hamburger and saying her mom told her, You can eat at any ol time, you have work to do now. Her mom plays into this, she exposed her having her try on a bathing suit at the store in front of everyone. Yes, Eugenia is "old enough" to know better but trauma and I'm sure lack of nutrition play a part in her making healthy choices. Honestly I think her mom bloomed, bl=gr, her to be this way. She is her mom's cash cow. Also, anyone see that mom is constantly overweight!?

[@yourmybeans]

Oh wow I thought she was like 19 or so 😳 not 30

[@TheVeganVixenBlog]

Her mind is so delayed. It’s a sign of starvation long or not. Not enough fat not enough food to the dome.

[@earthrooster1969]

Thank You! A very compassionate video this! ❤

[@holaizzy]

Wow! I didn't expect this video to stir up so many emotions for me. That feeling of helplessness is all too familiar, for me. I've been on both ends of the stick with this type of situation. You said it all when when you said, "there is no easy answer." 💔

[@SECruise]

As someone with an eating disorder, I absolutely hope she gets help. I’m in treatment right now and it’s probably one of the most important things I’ve ever done. Hopefully it’s not too late for her.

[@Jen-Chapin]

Happy you are getting help ❤

[@Stacy_SJA]

Then you shouldn’t be on KZbin looking up anything that has to do w ED. YOU need to be responsible for YOURSELF. Just like EC.

[@SECruise]

@@Stacy_SJA I didn’t look it up, it was on my homepage. I’m doing okay and Dr. Grande’s video wasn’t triggering. Thanks for the concern.

[@its-MK...]

Wishing you health & happiness. 💜💜

[@caitlins143]

You go girl X ps love that last response it made me smile. You're a strong lady ❤

[@MotherLodestone]

As shocking and unnerving as it is to see anorexia on a screen, its utterly mind blowing when you see it in person. I've only seen it once, and it took my breath away. Who knows what's going on, but I wish her any kind of healing.

[@Lilboozibert]

Ikr. Cameras usually add weight. Unless she's using the death-camp filter, she must look even more frightening in person.

[@alittlebindi25]

I lost 14 kgs in a year due to tuberculosis and I honestly couldn't recognise myself in the mirror and that frightened me so much. I spent the next year just recovering from everything my body had lost.

[@Lilboozibert]

@alittlebindi25 My friend I hope you are doing much better. I hope you have healthy nourishing foods, medicines, and comfort.

[@tanyaedwards4574]

oh my gosh, I just commented the same thing- I honestly hadn't seen your post, but I've been in that situation too, it literally made me feel so sad. 🙏

[@alittlebindi25]

@@Lilboozibert thank you 🙏🏽 it was ten years ago and I reached a healthy weight in a few months! The trick was a lot of paneer (Indian cottage cheese)

[@TheMinimalistTherapist]

Thanks Dr Grande. I think youve brought together the various arguments around these issues really effectively.

[@ScottSchorr]

It is difficult to imagine how her organs continue to function without their shutting down. For instance, the heart might eventually give up its pumping, as a result of a lack of food energy (heart infarction). I believe she wants to be especially loved and enjoys the attention. Sadly, it will be particularly emotionally challenging for her close friends and family if she were to pass away prematurely.

[@charliesierra2490]

Calling her skinny is a gross understatement. She is quite literally to the point of intentional, long-term starvation. There's also a fetish aspect to this where men pay her for certain videos. Also, people criticize the "obese" every day. To say the reaction would be different for a fat person is ridiculous. There's not a single fat person on the Internet that hasn't been harassed even if they're not in lifestyle/weight/body positivity/makeup space.

[@shiitakemoosh1763]

True

[@venusnightshade]

Thank you for speaking truth. I almost spit out my tea when Dr. Grande recited the reasons people support this very sick individual and it included, something like (and I'm paraphrasing), 'obese people don't get this kind of scrutiny'. This is both ridiculous and laughable. I've been in the mental health field 20 years and was an investigator for protective services before that. I've seen thousands of individuals suffering or made to suffer because of being 'obese.' ---- I can count on two hands the number of folks I've seen suffering or made to suffer because they were thin. It's just ignorence at it's finest, plus, hate and bigotry toward the 'obese' is (in)arguably the last acceptable prejudice a person can openly display with impunity.

[@sanaaniz]

Men pay her !??? To see what !!!??? Wow sick

[@reagan2347]

I agree. I would consider myself 'skinny', but I am 96 lbs at 5' even. I believe I am technically underweight. That is much different than what she is. She's about half a foot taller than me, and I'm guessing at least 25 lbs lighter, probably more. I'm not good at discerning weight in anyone over my height for some reason lol. She has far surpassed skinny.

[@Danceeagle9725]

I don't agree with a lot of what he says here, but I don't think he was saying obese people don't receive criticism or discrimination, just that people generally don't try to deplatform obese people or accuse them of trying to influence others to be as large as they are

[@OhtheSuffering]

When she did that video with Shane, I really thought she was on the cusp of recovery. She was looking a lot healthier, more peaceful, reflective, and coherent. Devastated that she relapsed and has gotten far worse. I think the majority of people who still keep up with her channel are doing so out of morbid curiosity, waiting for that day.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

I was super skeptical though. She skirted around the answers and her thoughts on the entire subject. I saw someone who had not admitted to her issues. She even has stated in previous videos that it was scripted and she was told what to say. So, it wasn't her own thoughts and feelings about her issue.

[@notthefather3919]

I wasn't hopeful. With the same enablers around her, I knew that her recovery was virtually impossible.

[@CWM-xl8ki]

Have you seen the EC subreddit? It’s fucking vile, basically multiple fully formed humans drooling over her future death. I’ve never seen anything like it. I’ve got screenshots of one post where someone was talking about how excited they were to see her die. And they could t leave the subreddit incase they missed her death. 🤮

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

There might be less attention if she does not look like a living human skeleton.

[@OhtheSuffering]

@@cheesechurger-tq3nz But even if it was "scripted" there's no denying how much healthier she looked in those videos. Her face had more meat. There was more calmness to her.

[@CaulkMongler]

I shudder at the kids who may see her, who are struggling with self image and confidence, who see the kind of attention she gets and think they can mirror some of the attention she gets…

[@lizs7301]

I always find your videos informative and interesting. Thank you for sharing.

[@carweee]

Thank you for covering this case. My thoughts are with Eugenia and her family, and I hope she seeks help and can one day successfully recover from this deadly mental illness.

[@titolino73]

to me it seems the mother doesn't help a lot .....

[@BarnaliD]

People have been saying the same thing for over a decade now and she still looks the same. I'm over it.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Eugenia isn't just very thin, she is emaciated. Many people admit that they check in on her to see how far gone she is. I admit I check in hoping she has made a little bit of recovery. Now, I'm just standing by waiting for the announcement that she has passed. She seems so sweet and for her to lose her life is a terrible loss. You didn't mention the manipulation that some feel that her mother is behind this. I wonder if the mother has Munchausen by Proxy disorder. I think her mother comes up with EC's titles to spur on interest. At this point, EC's health is past the stage from which she can recover. It's terrible that millions are helpless and can only watch a young woman kill herself slowly.

[@janinesmith369]

Yes, sadly😢 very true

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

@ She, more than likely, deserves her OWN analysis! We'll revisit her about EC passes away. 😑

[@allaboutmedicationaides]

I find it bizarre that her immediate family members (both parents and brother) are obese, yet she’s very underweight.

[@aruvielevenstar3944]

I think her mother has munchausen by proxy big time. To bad dr grande didn’t mention this. I think Eugenia is very sweet and that her mother encourages her ed. If she has so much views on social media, she gains a lot of money, or her mother keeps all that money as she still lives home and isn’t allowed to leave the house without her moms permission and her moms accompany

[@daddy4967]

@@allaboutmedicationaidesI grew up with family members that were obese and while I won’t say it was the sole factor in my own development of an eating disorder, it certainly was *a* factor.

[@Phili2012]

Self harm scars, gore, excess blood is blurred. Certain things are restricted or warnings given. Now that is a double standard. It’s self destruction by another name.

[@janelleyharris5042]

Thank you for this video! Your background decor is very festive and fun!🙂

[@ashtonlorainew]

Your last thoughts are very insightful! My mother was an alcoholic and killed herself in 2019 and this is very similar. As mentioned, like with substance abused, you’re just waiting for the inevitable to happen. You’ve tried to help, they don’t want it and so you either stay in their life or you don’t. It’s awful.

[@Me-An-88]

😢 i am so sorry u and Ur family had to go through this horrible experience. My mother also died due to alcohol abuse when she was 50. That was in 2005. There was nothing we could do cause she was an adult and could make her own choices. I don't Wish this on anyone.

[@umacdonald]

one aspect I think you've missed with Eugenia is that she also attracts fetishists and is very aware of this demographic as a streamer. She will constantly move around her room and pick up large objects like an empty box in the corner to consistently get donations. I don't watch her videos, wish her nothing but love and happiness, but she's very aware and constantly uses her camera to body check while streaming. She can live her life and this is how she's happy, as scary and concerning as it is for viewers. We can only hope that at some point if she decides she wants help that she accesses it. Otherwise blasting her content up is just supporting what people are so concerned for her about.

[@TheDramacist]

And she speaks and acts like a 14 yr old. She's in her 30s. The sexual dysfunction that she encourages is vile. Yet her desire to flaunt her body (outfits) on streams demonstrates her blatant intentions

[@hamnabilal4617]

Exactly, there’s whole compilations of her bodychecking

[@phren716]

Yes, I was surprised Dr. Grande didn't at least touch on this aspect. I imagine a sizeable portion of her audience is fetishists.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

Eugenia also does flashing as well for donations 😬

[@Whatsup766]

Yep seen her do that.

[@rochcarothers-ts3jx]

Immediately close these when they enter my feed.

[@williesnyder2899]

EXCELLENT synopsis doctor!! Your conclusions about the cost of individual liberty/autonomy in personal health decisions…highly pertinent and directly relatable to many of your viewers . . .

[@daynasafranek7807]

As someone in “recovery” from a serious eating disorder, it makes me sad to see her going through this. She’s a grown woman who can choose her treatment. It’s so difficult to understand how this controls your mind unless you’ve been through this. She knows; but she’s not concerned. I put “recovery” in quotes, as it is true. Like any addiction or obsession… you have to manage it. You never beat it.

[@andpeggy532]

No one does understand until you either go through anorexia personally or you are involved with someone going through it. You are right that it controls you and it is almost an entity of its own with the anorexic so proud of being successful in not eating. Heartbreaking and exhausting to go through.

[@lilithowl]

All the best

[@glauvie]

Finally. The MOST psychologically fascinating case there is, involving so very many.

[@KellyLCornell]

I believe she does what she does to test her mother. She wants to test whether she cares. She has major cognitive dissonance from what her mother tells her compared to what the world tells her. She struggles between accepting that her mom doesn't tell her the truth even if it kills her, or accepting that society is all out to get her. Her way of maintaining control is through increasing public speculation and FORCING her mother to acknowledge the giant logical hole.

[@amandaserena2007]

​@@KellyLCornellAbsolutely. This is very obviously a deep issue with the mother. My heart breaks for her.

[@biggietheshorkie2578]

You did a great job explaining this and challenging people's uncomfortable feelings that often lead to trying to protect and manage others behaviors in unhealthy and unhelpful/enabling ways.

[@_Kittensworth]

Dr Grande, thank you so much for this video. As a disabled person, I'm disturbed by the comments calling for her to be banned from social media. The implications are dark, it reminds me of the "Ugly Laws" that once banned sick & disabled people from public spaces until as recent as 1974. I don't think that's necessarily what people intend, but that is what they are doing. Your compassionate and reasoned conclusion is appreciated.

[@SLKAA]

Dr. Grande's choice of topics to cover never disappoints. I hope everybody and their family are having a good weekend. 🎉

[@FernRoses]

Indeed. Matthew Perry analysis comes to mind

[@larryfoster]

She seems like a middle school girl addicted to attention. It is heartbreaking to see this WOMAN stuck in this state and how she is seemingly so helpless to break the cycle she is stuck in....

[@LaBelleAraignee]

Arrested development from the onset of anorexia as a teenager seems highly likely imo.

[@SilentThundersnow]

I don't think it's always fixable. It's really hard to unbelieve a lie you believe.

[@allaboutmedicationaides]

It’s hard to believe she turns 30 years old next year because she acts so childlike and girlish.

[@lauracook8203]

Thank you for treating Eugenia as an actual human being rather than a walking disease that certain "creators" have chosen as a concept to have her canceled as they continue to make money off of her misfortunes. There are two women who I believe care an do treat her with concern and kindness but most of them start out feigning concern but then quickly turn to jokes about her looks,her family, her voice, her living quarters- anything one can think of. They call her out for being naive but guess what, she's on tiktok for God's sake. Its a personal. And that persona is putting lots of naive bux in her pocket. And the more people talk about her, the more exposure and money she gets . And I've said this several times- people love to use the excuse that she's doing this on purpose knowing young girls will want to be like her. Maybe 10 years ago but showing a 12 or 23 year old one of her dancing videos would be akin to showing kids a video of a homeless 30 year old meth addict and the kids saying "hey, yeah! That's for me!" 10 years ago she was a stunning young lady, dressed cool and hanging with friends. But at aged 30 she appears as a frightened, lonely, emaciated woman playing Miss Havesham in her pink room desperately trying to freeze time. Any adolescent wanting to emulate her should already be well into therapy. If she doesn't want to talk about e.ds, there are plenty on tiktok and you tube that adore talking and talking about every crumb they eat every hour of every day and hey, if it helps them, then I say great for them. Whatever works is awesome. But just imagine for a moment that someone you care about or respect comes to you in confidence to let you know she found out she has end stage lung cancer. She smoked for years disregarding all the medical warnings against it. Let's also imagine that she has a successful KZbin channel making candles. Nothing deep or spiritually uplifting but she loves doing it. She never wanted the surgery or chemo/radiation. She is not married, has no children but she has a few good friends and her family that all wanted her to do everything she could to cure the cancer. They pressured until she caved She had the painful surgery and chemo that made her ill for over a year that chemo stopped. She went Into remission until just as she was feeling herself, she relapsed. She told no one and made the decision to not do any of the surgery, chemo, etc. She kept her channel going and announced that while she appreciated all the concern, she would not be talking about her illness online. She felt good, kept her candle channel and enjoyed 3 years of pain free life and passed quietly at home. Addictions have a much higher percentage of relapse than most anything. Maybe Eugenia is just tired of fighting such a losing battle and sick of people harping on it as if its the only quality she has. So please, just let her live how she sees fit the same way you would with a cancer patient. Being unkind never helps anything. Ever.

[@rebeccashields9626]

Well and her entire livelihood depends on her being so physically and mentally ill people watch. Her whole income is based off of her mental illness. She has huge monetary incentive not to get better.

[@ArissaTinkers]

Thank you so much for making this video. You touched on so many topics that were very helpful. How can we help as outsiders in this situation? Or if someone is close to us, are dealing with ED and we are just watching it happen? Is there anything that can be done? Like help them do more things they enjoy? Or trying to help them expand on hobbies that they never developed in the past?

[@mermaidmemoirs]

Very insightful and great points Dr. Grande

[@pnwlady]

I’ve seen people, before they die, waste away. It’s scary. This feels like a grotesque and unethical experiment. KZbin shouldn’t allow her content rather than incentivize it.

[@amandaserena2007]

I agree. It needs stopped immediately.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

I'm not sure how to make internet platforms liable for the hate they knowingly incite and profit off of. I've tried for decades. As long as we hate others, and it's making bank for the rich, why would the owners of our internet ever limit who can use the platform? People go to channels like hers, for the hate they are addicted to. Hating her disorder is still just hate. Look at her comments, it's a place we go to hate her disorder. It feels good to hate it, and we leaving comments feel obligated to say something to prevent harm. That need to help others is making some tech man very, very rich.

[@lilyw.719]

If everyone flagged her videos as promoting self-harm, her channel would be gone.

[@24CiViC]

I’ve reported her videos - made no difference. It’s just sad.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

@@24CiViC Thank you so much for this comment. I've alerted YT to Kristan Hawkins, too. Known member of an identified group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, for years. Literally years. Watched the onision drama too. We're going to let hatred be the undoing of humanity and the "Elon Musks" are going to profit off of every second of it.

[@rachelburke9223]

Addicted to attention is as dangerous as any other addiction

[@nillyk5671]

The problem is that KZbin forces us to watch her videos. I have blocked her channel over and over again but she keeps popping up. Even when I search for something totally unrelated she shows up in the results. It upsets me. I don't understand why KZbin is doing this 😢

[@derkeheath5172]

That "We don't ban fat people from youtube." argument is a darn good one which I hadn't thought of. I was extremely skinny as a child/young man (not anorexic skinny, but very skinny), and was always shocked by the cruel comments that jealous women would make to me. It really gave me a severe complex. Later, I dated a fat woman, and was even MORE shocked by the absolute hate some people would show to her for no other reason than her weight. It made me feel a LOT better about being skinny.

[@truecrimenwine489]

Yeppppp. How about those with cognitive issues or mental health, driving dangerous cars, boxing, guns, anything that could cause harm when taken to the extreme has the same potential. When we start restricting free will.like that we loose the good choices too, it's just forced.

[@beverlyho9559]

I applaud you for mentioning you have dated a fuller figured woman. Society can be so crazy. I was never overweight, 115 pounds, 23 inch waistline in my youth, had an hour glass shape. I was called chubby or fat. No boy would date me in high school. Not popular at all.

[@Foxflight-pl5nd]

For those concerned about her behavior and impact, I would recommend avoiding watching her videos and subscribing to her content. This is because other approaches seem unlikely to work. Even though it may be tempting to still watch her content to see what is going on and whether anything exciting or controversial will happen, this will further increase her popularity and may even be her intent--to draw more attention by being shocking. So if possible, try to avoid watching her videos out of interest after seeing this video.

[@debbiederosier1591]

I never seen her post or videos except from other creators that post and share their thoughts. I would never even look her up or watch one for that simple reason. Also from what I’ve seen she doesn’t really create any genuine content, just a lot of looking in the mirror or showing of clothes that maybe a 10 year old might try on. There’s no meaningful content she puts out. Not sure how she had that many followers except to watch the final moments, which is very disappointing

[@Bakeroo]

I agree. However, her short popped up on my homepage. I’m a 50 year old woman that watches Dr Grande and cat videos. I’ve never show an interest in this subject, or her at all but it’s worrying that KZbin are promoting her content.

[@Lemieux_7]

It’s heartbreaking to look at her. She is so sick. Being so severely anorexic is so dangerous. The worst part is hearing her own mother co-sign her disease. 😢

[@ctaber2011]

Ya i mean she looks more breakable than a 95 year old women, if she fell i think she would break a bone.

[@K10jak]

I’ve seen one video of her and her mother cooking a meal. Oh it’s just not enough!!! I would drag my child to a facility before a cooking episode for online watching.

[@jiminiebliss]

​@@K10jak Problem is she's not a child, she's an adult. Her mother can't force her to go to hospital.

[@K10jak]

@jiminiebliss well, I'd drag mine. Rules or not, to try prevent her death. At least I'd sleep at night after. And at least I know I tried to prevent her death. Even if everyone else thinks its OK. 'Oh there's rules, oh better let her be' BS. At least I'll sleep tonight. Did what I could.

[@kellitrevino650]

@@jiminiebliss - I hear you there. My adult child refused to go last year up until she was unable to walk and unable to work. It’s a terrible disease. My kid is working so hard on recovering now! It takes a lot of effort every single day. I pray every day.

[@user-pl7qj7rd1g]

Definitely one of the most unbiased views of the situation & put forth several thoughts that might quite possibly help ppl understand the legality of her ability to post & not be banned..Great informative video & a wonderful human being that didn't feel the need to use & abuse this girl, her situation & her images for his own gain..Bravo sir!

[@honeybee1852]

This video is so well done. Thanku dr grande it’s awesome to see a video that’s not just judgmental but is fair & non biased. Really like how you emphasis about both views

[@Ravyne]

I initially started watching Eugenia because of her make-up tutorials. As a previous Goth from the 80s, I was interested in seeing how Goths of the 2000s were doing their make-up and comparing/contrasting it with how Goths of the 80s did theirs. She'd developed a gorgeous style with her eye makeup, and I found that compelling. However, I also had an ED in the 80s, and I could tell that she also had an ED. As she began wasting away before my eyes, I had to stop watching her. She didn't necessarily trigger me, but she did remind me of how I justified my weight loss back in those days and how I had affected friends and family around me who were worried about me. I check-in with her videos about once every three months or so now, to see if she is still alive. I know there is nothing that I say or anyone else says that will help her. You have to want to help yourself, and Eugenia is getting incentives to continue as she is doing by earning money from her disorder. As long as she has viewers and the money keeps rolling in, she will not seek help. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, and I cannot be a part of that anymore.

[@mindyschocolate]

Agreed. I can’t understand why anyone subscribes to that train wreck channel. They can’t help her. She won’t accept it.

[@Galidorquest]

She's basically like a underweight equivalent of Nikocado Avocado.

[@TehKitteh01]

I agree with what you've said in regards to her right to post on social media, but I disagree about there being no negative impacts to her online presence. I suffered from Anorexia some years back and every comment I received played a role in my downward spiral. Her being in the public eye means she gets thousands and thousands of comments daily, good and bad that drive her further into the arms of her illness. "You look like you're dying" and "You are beautiful" to most people, mean two different things. To her, they both mean success. Her live streams mean she can avoid eating (or even drinking water) for several hours at a time because the illness can't let the viewers see she ingests anything and at the same time, get the validation in needs from the inevitable comments. I believe she knows what she is doing. People with eating disorders can be extremely manipulative. She openly talked about her disorder after her stay in treatment, then went right back to saying things like "I don't want help" and opening mocking people who express concern for her. On top of that, the videos of her dancing, like the Selena one, caused a huge uproar and what was her response? Do it again with less clothing. She got called out many times for flashing the camera and continued to do that as well. The constant attention she gets its absolutely impacting her. There is no question she is very, very ill and to some degree, her deteriorating cognitive functioning, combined with the evil voice of her ED is compelling her to push the boundaries even more but she was made well aware of her impacts on her viewers long before it got this bad and she refused to dial it back. Could removing her from social media make it worse? Possibly. However, allowing it continue is also making it worse. The only difference is her young fans and the rest of the world get to see it. It is truly heart breaking and at this point, I fear death is in her near future. To anyone who is still reading, take care of yourselves and if you feel you're heading down the same road as Eugenia, seek help. I know first hand that it's scary and extremely difficult but we only get one shot at life and living it in that kind of misery is simply not worth it.

[@smudgesaysno524]

At this point, its on her. She has been given SEVERAL opportunities to get help and she just mocks us.

[@ohravenous1]

You took the words out of my mouth several times, Dr I appreciate you. The issues I have are the same as yours. If we start banning her... we have to ban muck bang and people who are obese. Then we start banning anyone with a different opinion than ours. It is ridiculous to think she is influencing anyone to be like her. As a matter of fact it probably does the opposite. Also, if she is happy with herself there is nothing that can be or should be done. As always thanks for the great content it is satisfyingly insightful and clear.