Ingram Model 6: Like A Thompson Without the Price Tag (Sort Of)

[@jontee3437]

I'm pretty sure this is the pixelated thompson from Battlefield 1942

[@Kacpa2]

But BF1942 isnt pixelated..........

[@stalkinghorse883]

I heard that before Ingram got into gun development, he started a business manufacturing trash can lids. He thought he had a superior design but it didn't go anywhere. He was stuck will a very large inventory for years. I never did hear what happened to all those trash can lids.

[@patrickcdavis7712]

@@stalkinghorse883 They became M-10s......lol

[@agungpriambodo1674]

Yeah, it's less everything compared to the Thompson less weight less bullets less parts less complicated less jamming what else could you possibly want people

[@georanger6180]

@@Kacpa2 he means because the graphics were bad

[@karlt8233]

My dad was a LEO in the late 60's thru early 80"s and I remember seeing one of these in the Sheriff's Office Armory when I was a kid. I remeber telling my dad "Oh wow a real Tommy Gun". His reply was no its not a real Tommy Gun but it looks like it and shoots the same cartridge. Thanks for the review Ian, brought back some fond memories of time with my dad while "on tour" of his place of employmemt.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

A few thousand sales isn't bad for an immediate post war SMG. The simplicity is impressive and the stacked plates is a neat way of saving on machine time.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

@@jjohnston94 Though with padlocks the aim is somewhat different.

[@painmagnet1]

Quite sturdy as well as cheap to produce. With sheet steel like this, it can be hardened to 100% of its depth rather than shallowly as a thicker part would be.

[@garetz2011]

In Brazil padlocks are made from solid brass, but I saw a few made this way. Voltage converters use this method, I saw many of them when I was a boy. Interesting, I didn't note this when I saw this video a few years ago.

[@VargasKoch]

Me: "Can we stop and get a Thompson" Armorer: "We have Thompson at home"

[@derekbroestler7687]

LMFAO at this... Pretty much

[@giannisantetokoumnpo7473]

Thomp son at home:

[@mynametagidk]

@@giannisantetokoumnpo7473 don’t thomp your son

[@johnfagan1938]

@@mynametagidk lol

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@johnfagan1938 what did he say?

[@snape1464]

I keep getting distracted by that FG42 in the background. It's absolutely beautiful

[@briang4470]

If only it was a 1st design, I think the 1st designs look way better but they are both awesome

[@dragofill2808]

Me and my friends like to watch his videos get drunk and play a little game we made called "what gun is behind Ian"

[@freeman105]

i thought i recognized that

[@frankpienkosky5688]

@@freeman105 this sure looks like the gun sold in ads in magazines and even comic books...seem to recall a price of $49.95...I could be wrong...but it's odd he didn't mention that...saw those ads often in the '50's....in those ads it was listed as a machine gun but no mention was made of NFA requirements....

[@hudsonmeek6728]

Ingram: Hey Auto Ordinance you mind if I copy your homework? Auto Ordinance: Yeah sure just make sure you change the answers a bit. Ingram: Model 6

[@agungpriambodo1674]

If only Nazi Germany never invented assault rifles, I'm sure the Ingram model 6 would be the most produced and copied gun in the world due to it's simplicity Take that commies and their overrated AKs

[@panzerabwerkanone]

@Solipsil Nazi Germany did not invent ARs. Eugene Stoner did. AR stand for Armalite Rifle.

[@panzerabwerkanone]

@@andrehashimoto8056 The concept of the assault rifle started in WWI long before the Nazi's were in power. Storm troops to assault the trenches. AR DOES NOT MEAN ASSAULT RIFLE . It means what I said it means. Yes I speak German. You are talking about two different things.

[@user-ns3vs3bp3e]

Looks like if you described a Thompson over the phone to somebody who then tried to draw it without ever seeing one...

[@Hoopty91]

Lol, gold!

[@Pocahonkers]

But only if the person describing doesn't know the word "Square"

[@tenmil1]

It's a Thompson off dhgate

[@agungpriambodo1674]

It's literally the mental image everyone has when they hear American Mafia/Al Capone/Prohibition It's not accurate but close enough

[@donjones4719]

More like someone described the bastard offspring of a Thompson and a Greasegun.

[@Titan_TM]

There's something oddly charming about this gun, I rather like how it looks.

[@williammontroy9024]

To me it looks kinda like a Thompson had a baby with the h&k mp5s grandmother

[@thundercricket4634]

From watching this I get the impression that the designer was consciously going for as few milled components as possible, (Likely to keep production costs low and thus increase its marketability to large govt funded organizations like the military) and also mechanical simplicity (To keep the thing easy to maintain and reduce breakage). I could be completely wrong, but that's certainly the impression that weapon made to me at least.

[@adrianfirewalker4183]

Even the M3/M3a1 and STEN were adopted because they were cheaper and faster to produce than the Thompson. All because of simplifying the designs, which included Stamped parts vs Milled.

[@Ms95670]

Ingram said that he wanted it to be something that could be made almost anywhere

[@jussimakarussi]

10:20 When you're playing with legos and can't be bothered to find a thicker block, so you just stack the thin ones on top of each other.

[@aceroadholder2185]

If Ingram had designed this in 1940 there would have been a million of them made.

[@YouTubeViolates1A]

@@unnamed_boi Come to think of it though, the lethality of the gun doesn't mean shit when almost every gun can kill with a single round. If it kills, it kills. Obviously, the AK is a better gun overall because it's a rifle.

[@GamingBoTv]

@@KZbinViolates1A and a 7.62 has more stopping power and range accuracy. Do some research on the US invasion of the Philippines, then you'll see why it matters.

[@YouTubeViolates1A]

@@GamingBoTv What kinda dumbasses compare an SMG's "stopping power" to a rifle's? Regardless, nearly all guns kill. Stopping power still does not mean shit. If that was the case, those guys in the middle east with their Kar 98s would've whooped Russia.

[@MrPanos2000]

@@KZbinViolates1A It really doesnt work that way. Have you ever been near a firearm in your life

[@YouTubeViolates1A]

@@MrPanos2000 Yes it does. And yes, I've been around firearms. I've shot some too. Not sure why I need to be around them though to know that guns are lethal. I'm not talking about Nerf guns, stun guns, money guns, airsoft or paintball guns. All REAL firearms can kill. Except for maybe guns the same size as a Kolibri, but I think that goes without saying.

[@ZaphodHarkonnen]

The laminated sight block and trigger is really quite interesting.

[@entropy11]

They used some in the pilot episode of The A-Team, which is the only time anyone has ever heard or seen of these since they were made.

[@Punisher9419]

I like simple guns. To me it makes far more sense then stupidly complicated guns. My favourite ones are ones that are simple but high quality.

[@Echin0idea]

I agree, but I also tend to feel that once you're leaving out a drop safety your gun might be a little *too* simple

[@Punisher9419]

@@Echin0idea Yes and no. I don;t think a drop safety is always required depending on what gun you are designing and what it's intended goal is. If your just making a cheap gun that's effective enough to get he job done then it doesn't need one. Soldiers are disposable after all or at least they where in the past. These days in a modern military it's more important I think because military's invest so much money in their soldiers that they don't want to loose them. On the other side how often do you drop a gun and could it not simply be mitigated with different doctrine. If you teach your soldiers to carry a gun with a stray on would that not remove that problem altogether. And or not simply using other methods of a safety like a double position on a magazine so the magazine while not in combat isn't engaged but still in the gun when you want to fire it you push it further in and engages.

[@Drownedinblood]

So flintlock?

[@coaxill4059]

@@Drownedinblood Have you looked up close at a flintlock? Some were simple, most were monstrously complicated for what they were. A lot of older guns were very complicated and inefficient compared to more modern designs.

[@Seeker-wq8jc]

I too appreciate the efficiency of simple designs. Doesn't need six thousand well made parts that take forever to manufacture and costs a fortune, when you can have only a few quick and dirty parts that perform the same function just as well. Oh no, the gun broke or got damaged in the field, too bad you can make a dozen of them for the cost of one more expensive gun, and arm more people while you're at it.

[@harshbansal7982]

It looks like a mix of the Thompson and the mp5 to me . Lol

[@Kacpa2]

Only because of front guard being angled. Nothing else is even remotely similar H&K guns

[@williamsxd2004]

I was going to say the same LOL

[@harshbansal7982]

Kacpa2 yeah

[@TheBudgieKing]

wow... your right!

[@DumbArse]

Kacpa2 It's the shape, use photoshop and put them on top of eachother if you don't see it

[@blshouse]

I'm just here for the sound effects... 8:50

[@yaboosnubs]

is there a jesus soundboard already? XD

[@alaric_]

I bet there will be at somepoint!

[@jmarchant5352]

Same. That "boing" was adorable. :D

[@manopeace9175]

Boing!

[@ultrablue2]

Another interesting video about a truly “forgotten weapon”. I hope a review of the MAC 10 and 11 isn’t far behind!

[@jacoblucas4259]

Seconded!

[@danielpearcy4545]

I thought hes done those already?

[@wildward93]

Why a MAC 10 when there's probably some shitty Cobray gun out there!?

[@TheRogueWolf]

Believe it or not, it looks like Cobray actually produced M-10 and M-11 guns (and a semiauto .380ACP, the M-12).

[@bensmith4563]

@@wildward93 come on man every one knows cobray is the greatest firearms manufacturer ever

[@Kar4ever3]

Look at that beauty in the background, flirting with everyone.

[@ricepicker562]

Looks like a fake Thompson you'd use in some kind of alternate reality ww2 game

[@krosskreut3463]

As wolfestein ?

[@GhanyNurisAlhakim]

Or B Movies

[@kylosalvesen]

"Oh, great guys, I found the "Thomas" gun"

[@Guysm1l3y]

All the best brands! Sorny, Magnetbox, Tompson...

[@treatb09]

i have a thomas gun with speed reload, looking for a x2 dmg multiplier, anyone up for a trade

[@sqeeye3102]

What a simple gun compared to the Thompson, I wonder how much it would have cost at the time. Thanks for bringing us this unusual piece of history.

[@davydovua]

Safety concerns and fire selector mainly, though tbh the solutions on Thompson would work and do work completely in the same manner on every other blowback smg without that rudimentary delaying system.

[@davydovua]

This design is just as plain and simple as you can get away with, and I certainly would prefer something more sophisticated.

[@dandel351]

That's a very interesting gun there Ian. I can't wait to see it firing and the comparison to the Tommy gun.

[@same242]

>Peru licensed and made about 8000 of them Me (out loud): Good for them!

[@Predalien195]

I think the M6 in .38 Super would have been amazing... I really think the .38 Super should have become far more popular than it was and would make a great sub gun caliber much like the 9x23 Largo.

[@lexedmonds9075]

THANK YOU BASED FORGOTTEN WEAPONS FOR DOING A VIDEO ABOUT THE GUN I ASKED FOR IN THE COMMENTS SECTION OF A PREVIOUS VIDEO.

[@SuperHoneyOil]

its actually pretty clean, I like it

[@Ulquiorra4163]

Ian, this video is an external link on Wikipedia when you search the Model 6. Way to go, man, Wiki is starting to see you as a great information source!

[@MrNapoleanMortimer]

Nice anecdote about the correspondence. Details like that are why I love this channel

[@juhai7048]

An interesting What If -scenario where Aimo Lahti would've been designing guns in the US...

[@alaric_]

Lahti and Ingram together... I am sure the result would have been something very nice!

[@milivojetomovic6138]

The

[@maxcolt4124]

Imagine if someone made this as a cheap semi auto carbine

[@AmphiStuG]

It would be like an American Volksturm gewehr.

[@markbecht1420]

The front sight block and trigger lever. Laminated steel is common in transformers, and the Crosley CoBra fire pump engine (later race car motor) used a brazed sheetmetal engine block (COpper BRAzed) so it's method of it's day, like 3D printing (for good or ill) is currently

[@a_shuchu_601]

If Grease Gun received furniture updates like Sten MkV

[@Kacpa2]

Its far closer to sten if you think about it xD. Just that it has proper double feed mag and Good furniture and longer barrel xd

[@acefromouterspace3681]

It looks like it's taken some design elements from the VolkssturmGewehr, which is probably a coincidence. But an incredible looking gun nonetheless!

[@homegunsmithunger598]

Very interesting design, thank you for showing it. The receiver looks very similiar to the sten but the lower receiver is much easier to manufacture in a homeworkshop. It is also interesting, that the firearm is lighter than a M3 Grease gun, altough he just used a tube and flat sheet metals. In my opinion it is superior to similar firearms from this era, and it can be produced cheap, even in very small numbers. Very good to see, that he kept his philopsophy of simplicity and had success with it later on (Mac-10, Mac-11).

[@davidhyer3404]

Can you imagine a alternate reality where eugene stoner, lj sullivan, and aimo lahti worked on the ar-15 development?

[@germanyball1379]

An AR-15 with a big fricking drum!

[@guywithphone9222]

@@germanyball1379so an AR based LMG like an American version of an RPK.

[@johnyricco1220]

The reciever and magazine were both made from extruded seemless tube, which was a new technique at the time.

[@kubrick1969]

Awesome mint condition all the Morphy items... Even Gun Jesus must be impressed.

[@donjones4719]

Many police models probably spent 90% of their lives sitting in a rack at headquarters.

[@mysss29]

Wow, that front sight _is_ fascinating. Thanks for the reasoning on not using a grease gun mag...I guess those only became sort-of common after they started coming back as parts kits at some point...? Also, really? No one bought many spare magazines for their new _submachinegun?_

[@natwolf687]

I thought that was a bit odd too, not buying s whole lot of spare magazines. But police and prison work isn't exactly combat.

[@dksdg]

I'm at my happiest relaxing at night eating cereal watching Ian's SMG videos

[@Seniorup]

I love how many of the guns you're shooting lately :) really ads to it all to see it in action after learning about it.

[@wmabie1]

I had a "Dewat" one of these back in 1965, sold it in 67 as it answered my question of how it worked.

[@RexApplegate]

I'd been waiting since the dawn of web videos to see a good video on these guns. Thank you.

[@LibertyTreeStudios]

There’s something very aesthetically pleasing about the way this looks

[@jeffreyday2414]

I don't have much interest in guns (shot a 22 once 56 years ago) but I've watched a few of your videos and man you know your stuff!

[@pemjoe]

I've been waiting for this one for a long time. Thank you. I can't wait for the shooting range video. And the videos on the other models !

[@farmerboy916]

It still suprises me every time I hear anything regarding California in one of these videos, having grown up in a post AWB world

[@rcbif101]

I guess I'm one of the few that find beauty in its simplicity. Would be cool if someone made 80% kits of it!

[@aojpictures]

It looks like a Thompson that hasn’t fully loaded in yet.

[@agungpriambodo1674]

and Ingram is impatient, so he sells it before it fully loads

[@daxstreamer7992]

+mp5

[@huntercompton9650]

There's a lot of interesting manufacturing features on this gun, the design of the magazine follower is identical to that of the K31 (except in size) and the use of stacked stampings was something the Germans were doing with non-critical components such as the hammers in LP-42 flare pistols.

[@asphaltmemories4597]

Ever since you started this series on the Thompson, I knew this would show up in some form or another.

[@KAZUYAGONNATRY]

assuming thompson is retro rich gang iconic machinegun,this gun is poor street gang using.

[@ArcturusOTE]

And eventually Ingram's Model 10 would be the choice of street gangs

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you Ian ,

[@loupiscanis9449]

Oo , So the Original "Copper Chopper " then , Interesting, Thank you .

[@bunkyboy9156]

This looks like someone ww2'd an mp5

[@stevenbobbybills]

Speaking of which, look up pictures of a wooden furniture MP5. People have modified them with original G3 parts, it's lovely.

[@hendriktonisson2915]

Could not find a single picture of the mentioned Ingram M20 light machine gun.

[@ironwolfF1]

BSA Rep holds up a STEN Mk V..."So, what do you think?" Ingram: "Hold my beer."

[@rancidpitts8243]

I like that, only no one's truck was wrecked, house set on fire, or had to have Paramedics show up.

[@sandow8575]

I like how this video is 2 weeks from being 2 years old, but KZbin still shows it as a year old

[@kermanguy1877]

It looks like a Thompson made from memory by someone who manufactures MP5s and has only been told about the Thompson.

[@ФилиппЛыков-д8е]

There is something else going on in the lower assembly: there is another part, a plate on the right of the trigger, that provides a single shot capability depending on how far back the trigger is pulled. And the cutout in the upper receiver is for the trigger and that semi-auto sear rather than for the trigger and ejector.

[@OmegaLittleBob]

This looks like a hunk uh junk hammered together in a garage......and I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jnathannger8654]

this is kinda sad for a fan of mechanically interesting pieces. uet its sooo simple it becomes interesting again. how?

[@ozzypascal7210]

Great gun videos,Thanks Ian.

[@mattorama]

I really dig the format of presentation and history one day, range time the next day.

[@rsideout]

I just realize that I own the M6 that Ian has in his video. SN 227. Small world, Pretty cool.

[@briantaylor3204]

Well you're up early gun jesus

[@iannordin5250]

Bold of you to assume gun jesus sleeps

[@WesMerc]

I like the cleverness of stacking sheet metal. I'll have to remember that.

[@joevidya]

If the grease gun didn't exist this would have been a nice alternative.

[@vector6977]

Like a Sten with IKEA pressboard stocks.

[@Rhynome]

STÆNN

[@darkninjacorporation]

I just find it funny how there are so many SMGs out there which are basically just a Sten in different configurations; sheet metal tube, spring, steel cylinder with a firing pin, and a barrel. Whatever magazine setup you want thrown in.

[@jeffreycase285]

Ian thank you for your well researched and through discriptions of these arms. I do have an interesting suggestion I was researching a pistol caliber carbines and came across a d-max from Oregon it is a side magi zine form the 80's

[@jeffreycase285]

Apologies d-max was out of Washington not Oregon

[@rusty_square6319]

Thank you Ian, very cool!

[@jakesolver4359]

"We''ll find out later on the range" or will we?.....

[@troy9477]

Looks like a solid, simple design. A manual safety might be nice, but is not absolutely necessary. I am surpeised they made the stock woth so much drop. By then, everyone knew a straight line stock was generally better (Hyde M2, German FG 42, etc). Maybe it was to keep the Thompson look. Any idea on the rate of fire? More than 600 is a waste, and the Grease Gun proved that 400-450 is fine. Looking forward to the range video. Great video as always. Thank you

[@bigbob1699]

The stacked plate sight and trigger parts are a hold over from the radar magnetron design .

[@sudaev]

They made a few in .38 Super - that is awesome.

[@supersonicbros23]

Looks like a gun for the DIY market; like a gun you'd want if you can do basic machine tools in your home shop, if something breaks just hammer out a new one!

[@morelenmir]

But... You forgot to cover the most important issues with the Model 6? Are you legally required to wear black leather gloves while shooting _this_ Ingram? Its an very serious point!

[@TheLanceUppercut]

I swear, some of these open bolt stamped submachine guns look like I could probably build one in my garage.

[@maginzentroideone9666]

Looks like one of those Mattel toy Tommy Guns from the 60's

[@b.griffin317]

have you encountered the ingram MG? A blowback full-power-rifle-cartridge MG would be an interesting episode.

[@immikeurnot]

Imagine experiencing the piss-poor ergonomics of a Thompson and coming away thinking "this is the ONE part of that experience that I'm going to keep." I love the pipe wrench marks on the barrel nut. Just screams "quality".

[@Hipas_Account]

I find the connection to Aimo Lahti very interesting, I also wonder how it would've been had he gone to the States.

[@HappiKarafuru]

When i heard Ingram, i automatically thinking about that .380/.45 acp or 9mm Machine pistol, the Mac10/11 because maybe it one of his most well known gun.

[@kenwintin3014]

I want, I need! A year later and no new replies. I remember seeing these in news stories and on TV back in the 60's. Fell in love with the ogre of smgs. What can I say.

[@ridgicembrano2608]

Forget the Thompson, that looks like an early MP5 (but with wood).

[@kredes80]

Nice simple oldschool SMG, waiting for shooting video:D

[@alexmg2420]

It was actually a Suomi drum mag that Lahti sent to Ingram. Ingram was disappointed because he wanted to study the 50 round Suomi coffin mag to adapt for use in the Model 6. (At least according to the MAC Man book.)

[@borjesvensson8661]

No wonder he got a drum if he asked Lathi. The coffin mag and the 36 round stick are swedish designs as far as i know.

[@MindjackPWNS]

I actually love the look of this gun, but that's probably because I love unusual, less well-known guns.

[@VIIthLegionEnjoyer]

“Whatever adjective you would use to describe the Mac-10” *Ostentatious*

[@johnnyappleseed6415]

Auction estimate seems extraordinarily low for a transferrable MG . Maybe the Yugo of collectible MG's???

[@nunyabusiness3082]

Just seen one of these at a "gun buyback program". The one with the foregrip and finned barrel. Someone turned it in for $500. It didn't show up in the photo op for the media. I wonder if someone made it "disappear" they always like show the "scary" ones but it's not in the photos. 😂

[@thegeneral123]

My grandfather was serving with the RAF in Cypress and he told me a story of how he and his unit were in the back of a lorry when someone dropped a Stirling or Sten SMG with the bolt locked back in the safety notch. IIRC he mentioned that the guys were instructed to keep the guns either with a magazine out or with the bolt forward. This guy had the magazine in. So it fired when dropped. My granddad said that the gun had a runway and stitched a line in the canvas and someone pushed the gun so it fell facing towards the back of the lorry rather than killing people. I think this is rather unlikely as he did like to embellish a good story into a great story and over time things would get bigger and more impressive with each telling. I do believe though that there was a negligent discharge due to the SMG being dropped. Probably just a single shot.

[@terminator-qf6vw]

my father was with 61st battalion at milne bay he told me story of one of the guys just about cuttiong himself in half with his own owen gun i have always wondered how he managed to do it acidentaly

[@Falconguygaming]

Darn you Ian I was looking for the link at the end to the range

[@Josh93B93]

When the M1A1 and Blyskawika had an illegitimate love baby...

[@steveguida2639]

9:58 should be the ad in the sportsman's catalog you could buy this out of

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

Like Thompson and Sudaev had some tender love and this is what came out of it

[@Yumao420]

Ingram M6 in 9mm and Maroszek .38m in 7.62mm would be two guns I would love to get. Also, they would have crushed if mass produced in WW2. Also I imagine that a Sam 3 and a bunch of Ingram 6 would be a good fire team

[@getreal2977]

Wow, the design is so simple in many details, I wonder what the production costs were for one unit?

[@philiphan123]

Me:Mom can I get a Thompson? Mom: No, we have Thompson’s at home The Thompson’s at home:

[@linokleinmeuleman5233]

I like the fg 42 behind you .

[@andrewwaterman9240]

I seem to recall seeing a photo of a Model 6 where the barrel was flush with the front sight block , Mannlicher-style. Did barrel lengths vary? Were the Peruvian guns different?

[@herman7661]

Beautiful FG42 behind Ian.