InMotion V13 - BETTER WITHOUT SUSPENSION?

[@cleverchimp]

You can hear the lack of suspension in your vibration-warbling voice, your knees struggling to suck it up. I can certainly see it feeling more crisp, but at 57 I’ll never step back on an unsuspended wheel again willingly. Sherman S is my dream wheel after catch-and-release of Patton. Takeaway is mainly how idiosyncratic are personal preferences!

[@mr_wrongway]

Definetely it’s all in the preference! Glad you’re happy with your choice!

[@Not_Evil_]

If no suspension means lower price, I would love to get it

[@raspberrypimilitant2242]

You just making me feel better inside because I'm a v12 rider who can't afford a v13 yet 😂

[@mr_wrongway]

Haha you’re welcome!

[@_blue_boy_123]

Same

[@nicottscole]

Lol😂 me too! I just got into this and have quickly picked it up. As I got to feeling comfortable riding I started wondering if I should’ve went bigger.

[@arevee9429]

The V12 is a pretty wheel. I don't have one, but the compact size and clean design looks good.

[@cargentiusg5289]

Same here lmfao I was actually looking up these vids seeing where the new wheels are at and I'm honestly so happy with my v 12 I might get a second one instead

[@Dogo.R]

Accelerating can be made very easy on a suspention wheel by allowing the EUC to tilt more forward during acceleration so it's mass helps with the acceleration. Its in the settings of for example the EUC world app. Removing suspension just results in more damage to your joints for the same benefit you could have gotten without it. The only difference is that braking right after accelerating is slower via the first method. But it's very uncommon to be braking right after accelerating in real world use. That's like a double screwup for that to happen. And even then it's not the end of the world just a bit slower braking which we deal with anyways with lower torque wheels and such.

[@Dogo.R]

​@@EUCvibes Careful with appeal to authority. Authority alone does not guarantee correctness. That's why appeal to authority is a fallacy.

[@caliman99]

@@Dogo.R So are the Feedback fallacy, confirmation bias and the fallacy of Incomplete Comparison. Removing suspension doesn't necessarily equate to joint damage. Your braking scenario isn't universal. Your input and insight are interesting, but don't take into account many other use cases. Also, none of us should opine on the V13-suspension unless we have tried it. Logic.

[@eunistroll]

Been riding my v13 suspensionless from the start... (Short fat guy problems). And a lot have liked my setup. Same as you they have the same feedback on it.

[@mexicanbatman666]

Stock V13 come in lowest pedal setting, I’m really hoping the Russians make a pedal lowering kit, as a 20-30mm drop would achieve a similar result and keep the barley adequate suspension I’ve done the measurements and there’s still a ton of clearance

[@Electric_roller]

I love my Commander Pro with its hydraulic suspension etc but the V12 HT I ride in between feels so connected...love the look of the v13 sans suspension,.

[@arevee9429]

Probably not for me (V13), but I've learned to withhold too much judgment until riding a wheel for at least a couple of hundred miles. I "hated" my master for a few hundred miles. Then I got it onto the dirt, and it became my new favorite - at least for off-road. One of my other favs, the Shermax kills my knees off-road.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

I thought that after suspension wheels started to come out, it was over for non-suspension wheels. But no. The ride isn't "worse" on a non-suspension wheel. Suspension is not "necessary" to ride, merely safer and bit more comfortable. But it's also less interesting, maybe even less fun. It's fun to feel the road so well, be so connected. Suspension muffles everything.

[@thedangleengankle8613]

I bought a used v11 and hated the suspension. One day, I just decided to try letting the air out of the suspension and riding it. I now love the v11 for all the same reasons you listed in your video (other than seated which I can't do).

[@Masterkif]

Ohhh i'll try this on my v13 !!! Thanks Adam !

[@TheDownloader86]

Hey Adam, it is great that you are trying such a things! I have never seen test of V13 without suspension. Anyway I still think that this wheel is nonsense. Too heavy (motor and tire 20kg? LOL). I am very curious about the new Inmotion adventure wheels with swapable battery!

[@AleGalaxyEUC]

Inmotion make you smile,finally

[@KokonCZ]

This is model - V12.5 :D an interesting idea, demonstrated in practice 🤙

[@small-timegarden]

Yeah, it's amazing the difference that the features of a new tire can make. I have the MSP-HT. My old stock there needed to change and I put on that motorcycle tire that the MSX 84v stock came with. Very zippy, have to lean a little more into the turn.

[@motorz1986]

Congratulations , in that , particular setup , you just made your self a perfect ninebot z10 , thats why it feels so good to ride that thing...

[@2disbetter]

I really can understand what you are saying. They all make sense, except for getting rid of the suspension. I mean not wiping out at speed due to a bump can be made or broken by the application of suspension. I don't see removing it as a good idea overall. Now if you are intimately familiar with all of the paths you are riding maybe suspension isn't so important, as you know where things are and how to avoid them.

[@loufugier3481]

I also removed the suspension on my begode master, it's much more manageable and fun to ride !!

[@RonnieRides]

Just use the stock suspension, it's like having no suspension!

[@loufugier3481]

@@RonnieRides 2 kg lighter and better COG :)

[@sr71_adrenaline]

Your helmet just got upgraded big time with that Sena intercom, nice! 🚀

[@Elunipsycho]

Liked your energy ⚡ I'm gonna try that right now!

[@mr_wrongway]

Cool! Whoo let’s do it!

[@chrisogrady28]

Can't beat Adam's mix of enthusiasm and anger at cars parked on pavements

[@atsswing8256]

very love v13 design can give user safety

[@ultrasupreme9312]

Would like to see a scooter versus EUC update video being that the technology has changed for both of them see if things are still the same

[@royalsd]

Euc always wins

[@TroyArn]

comfort aside, in the long run don't the shocks protect the battery and the electronics?

[@mr_wrongway]

I think you're correct! I don't have any data to back it up though

[@znail4675]

On the other hand the suspension makes you ride in rougher terrain. If you only ride on streets then no suspension should be fine.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

V13 cells are potted in epoxy (?). Not sure why they don't use urethane foam like Tesla which would be lighter and have some elastisity. Maybe the best anti-vibration fix is the neoprene on all sides of the battery that Begode uses but Leaperkim doesn't have this on their Shermans (only minimal amount on on side) and they don't seem to have issues. Maybe people don't keep wheels long enough for vibration to rear its head or any cell connection issues get blamed on crashes. I don't know why people just don't put a fat tire on. Sure for the manufacturers thinner tires are cheaper and lighter but a 3 inch sidewall can give you 50mm suspension.

[@tylerdorminey1910]

I know you are on a break from Begode, but that ex30 is pretty awesome. Would love a review video 👍

[@mr_wrongway]

I might make some content in august and I’ll check how the quality is like ✌️

[@MrNounours1410]

@@mr_wrongway you are true about quality check, but on the final, look the quality of s22 pro ( low quality, 1000 miles everything broken already ) the v13 ok quality impressive but need to drive without suspension for can get something affordable, so that better then begode really?

[@ultrasupreme9312]

Being that it is lowered to the ground on the foot pedals does that make it easier for a beginner to use an advanced wheel? Or is the weight still a big contributed factor to making it hard to learn on?

[@mr_wrongway]

Absolutely correct! I’ve had a couple beginners try my V13!

[@Dogo.R]

Well technically you can take high pedals and widen them and then stand more spread out and you will have just as much control as an euc with lower pedals. As for learning, a heavier wheel is more stable while you are going, but less stable when you are not moving. So heavy is harder at the earlier stages, easier at the later stages (since you dont need as perfect of control).

[@GGnext.crazycro]

Acceleration assist, and brake assist software adjustment solves the acceleration, and braking issue you are experiencing.

[@mr_wrongway]

I tried it. It’s not the case for me

[@Laenthal]

How this compares to the Abrams?

[@BillyGlyde108]

I just noticed the summer gear vid

[@BellaFinch]

I'm 60kg and I ride my v13 without much issue at this point, it feels so zippy to me. love my wheel with suspension but its interesting to see it without suspension, planning to swap to a street tire soon though!

[@EricAero]

Just a quick question : While a tire change, do we have to balance tire/Rim as we do on cars ?

[@mgtowlevel5293]

It should be balanced. CNC shop with precision made these wheels. I have a MSX V2 2500W HT. Changed my tire without issue. No speed balance weights on it b4.

[@FinnBjerke]

I ride my v13 fast, 82 kmh is my speed record. So its a small motorbike really. I'll try upgrading pedalheight, you are absolutely right off roading v13 is a bad idea. So why does it come with a knobby tire? This wheel is too bloody expensive.

[@chrisogrady28]

The massive wheel alone must soak up a lot of the roughness

[@mr_wrongway]

Unless its a a big bump - correct!

[@chrisogrady28]

@@mr_wrongway I inline skate a lot in the city, and the difference between an 80mm and a 100mm wheel is insane, so going up to like 2 feet is ridiculous haha. When I have to ride an 80 it feels like being on jackhammer

[@CameronMassie]

Nice! Well I hope someone will make a CNC delete kit!

[@mr_wrongway]

Agree! Hopefully the new V13 sold to customers is also compatible with that!

[@KP_Snaxx]

What is the name of that tune at the beginning of you video please...is there a You Tube link.

[@Not_Evil_]

Can you show us how far can the suspension be lowered without removing it? Im curious

[@lap87]

Would you say that a street tire works in nordic winter times also? Or should i stick with the kenda knobby for my og sherman?

[@FinnBjerke]

I have a snowtire on my V11. Not knobby, google it

[@aylsart]

Hi, I love your channel, I was thinking of buying my first wheel, I was thinking of the v12 ht as the main option, the city where I live has many hills and I like what I've read but I would like to take into account other options that you can advise me ,thank you so much

[@Csilk]

mans really doing a video review with a selfie stick on public roads while driving

[@victoman77]

Any thoughts on battery/range with or without suspension? TGV = Transport Gaulois Véloce! Lol

[@mr_wrongway]

I didn’t notice much of a difference yet. TGV lol

[@better.better]

something I'd like to know: is there a way to mount hitches for a BOB trailer? or is there a specific EUC that we can? Ideally I'd like to get a Sherman-S or Max, but I usually I have to carry around 10-30kg for work, so that's the only thing that stops me from getting one.

[@mr_wrongway]

I might be trying that in the future! Already eyeing a bit of stuff!

[@MathieuTechMoto]

Would be curious to a conversion kit for the Sherman-S... Ah yeah that's called a Sherman Max

[@mr_wrongway]

Sherman-S has more torque and power! I think it’d be interesting to see!

[@MathieuTechMoto]

@@mr_wrongway oh yeah !

[@tanyano9]

Has anyone put a street tyre on the V14?

[@mig6220]

Wait- how do we get the "anus tickler" option?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MikaelLevoniemi]

Now it looks like begode RS on steroids

[@gregorion28]

v13 without suspension rides...... better than with suspension...... it means that older big wheels like monsterPro, Abrams, Monster still are real competition for newest biggest v13/masterPro - lighter, cheaper, more reliable and easier to ride. 🤩🤩🤩

[@KiwiMark67]

I wish the roads & paths were better where I live, I now only ride a non-suspension wheel for short rides, for longer rides my Sherman S is so much better (I've put 1,700km on it so far). Riding a non-suspension wheel here is just so very jarring!

[@JonahHax]

Congrats! It seems you finally got an Abrams that works. Shame it costs 3x as much as an Abrams. (Sorry you got a dud Abrams to begin with. Abrams is great with the new motor and firmware..)

[@mr_wrongway]

Yes it’s a bummer it’s so expensive! I might try the Abrams again at some point :)

[@andiman45]

waiting as interested in a review by you on the A2 begode...

[@markjerstad4664]

As I hear your voice stammering over the small, sharp bumps on the pavement I appreciate my Sherman S even more. I fully understand the benefits of the lower pedals but could there possibly be a way lessen the travel and lower the pedals? Another words be able to still talk, not lose your fillings and speak while you're heading down a bumpy path?

[@spetz911]

You just made shmax out of V13

[@mr_wrongway]

Yes but with less torque, range and more weight!

[@spetz911]

@@mr_wrongway I’m still wondering if Master Pro is just my Monster Pro with a smaller tire, higher pedals and much more difficult to handle. I tried it 2 times on a quire street but I couldn’t figure out if that would be a worthy upgrade(I really need more range).

[@UnidudeNine]

What's it like to hit deep pot holes on that wheel?

[@mr_wrongway]

It’s bad :)

[@Index-o1234]

It's an option.

[@KaizenOz]

lol. Patton susp delete kit coming up next?

[@mr_wrongway]

The manufacturer doesn’t offer any :/ maybe I’ll try but it’s not in the works at the moment

[@EkoKolo_Katowice]

Lower footplates .... well Z10 or Sherman welcome here :D

[@vampiping]

its just because of the tire

[@OldSloGuy]

Just my opinion: Suspension is now a marketing gimmick. I doubt if there are a dozen riders in the world who bottom out 100 mm of suspension on a daily basis. I would like to see maybe one third of that travel. Why? I would like to be able to walk a straight line after dismounting. Without suspension, it doesn't take much of a ride before rubber legs sets in. There are better ways to get a foot massage. Reducing the stroke offers a way to make the suspension smaller and use different techniques. Optimizing for 100 mm precludes a number of otherwise useful mechanisms. Lets not be like the guy who bought a dump truck because he needed to haul a few loads of gravel for his long driveway, then when that weekend was over, he told his wife it was her new everything vehicle to take the kids to school and get groceries. He justified it because he spent one weekend annually hauling gravel for his driveway. Lets not get sucked in by macho advertising.

[@yanickgenest1324]

Indeed. I use a Master as a commuter. The 80mm of suspension is more than needed. A course of 50mm would be enough for comfort.

[@eBoard3R]

⚡🤙🏼👀🤙🏼⚡

[@bartsted8369]

90/90-16 will be too wide for the v13 I think

[@mr_wrongway]

I bought one, will see. It should be 85/90-16 but there ain’t like that I think :/ will see!

[@mgtowlevel5293]

Lemme get this straight. Y'all buying suspension wheels to disable the suspension 🤣

[@infa008]

I wonder what it would be like if you kept suspension but just super lowered the pedals?

[@mr_wrongway]

I will test that in the future :)

[@fabiopms]

mas qual o sentido de pagar U$4000,00 numa roda sem suspenção?

[@Oneffunes]

Nice job selling those accessories for them

[@whatswheelygood]

They don't sell the v13 sus delete kit. It was an early buyer bonus to have it included. I am very lucky my used v13 came with one and i've been riding 1100 miles now with sus delete and its everything wrongway says it is.

[@VECTOR_Coasters]

i really want a new rs/msp with all of the new innovations except for suspension because i think that suspension isn’t good for most use cases

[@HungrySpinz]

I don't usually give a crap about chinese companies or any company at all but imagine being in this market and people want suspension(which is better don't give a crap about who says it isn't just check all the other sports with suspension, suspension always wins) they start making suspension wheels, now this video appears saying the wheel is better with no suspension, before they wanted bigger wheels, now they want smaller wheels, holy crap. I'm hoping they say t hey don't know what they want and just do their thing

[@MikleM1]

Is it April Fool's Day? 🤣

[@StriDer908]

You need to collaborate with Veterans or InMotion to make an ultimate street wheel just like Chance with Begode "the ultimate trails wheel"!! If u can combine 3 wheels to make an ultimate street, what would those 3 wheels be, and why? Thanks!!!

[@BaubelePreux]

Conception faults, weight, price... This wheel is rubish !

[@karolloo91]

Czemu nie nagrywasz po Polsku ?????? Napisy chociaż !!!

[@ed2335]

Be better with 2 wheels