Rutger Bregman . Utopia for Realists- The Case for a Universal Basic Income

[@hassanseun]

Absolutely achievable for serious and sincere nations. Thank you for out-of-the-box thinking Rutger Bregman

[@pic5857]

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[@marc8935]

Rutger Bregman is always coming hard with his presentations! I’m from Holland as well and I love his podcasts, books and talks.

[@CodyCLI]

@N You forgot to take your meds.

[@joylynnfujimori6567]

N ...& YOU ARE A LIAR & SUFFERING FROM A BRAIN DEFECT, SO DO US ALL A FAVOR & STFU‼️💯⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

The feel-good communist bullshit smells particularly pungent here so let me get this straight. In some two-horse Canadian town nobody had heard of, based on some government study nobody knew about, files hidden for 25 years were uncovered by a (coincidentally leftist) sociology professor so dedicated that she spent a decade diligently analysing them (socialist-speak for fabricating them) and came to the irrefutable (yet, surprise, irreproducible) conclusion that giving people free shit fixes the root causes of poverty despite hundreds of years of real-life observable evidence to the contrary. Sounds like the standard socialist academia modus operandi of cheat, lie, and fabricate as you go along, or in other words BAMN - by any means necessary.

[@sa-iw4dr]

@Nat Dear Nat, f-off you robot dim-witt! Rutger Bregman tells the truth like it is! You don't have a solution!

[@sa-iw4dr]

@@CodyCLI C Snap, thanks makes you wonder who are paying these creepy robots to say some stupid shit?

[@wesjuh2872]

I came here after he burned the fox newsman. Only thing i can say is that this man is a legand.

[@rosanarosa104]

me too. just after he got Tucker to lose his cool.

[@brentpal]

@John Drake love how you act like the richest country on earth cant help its citizens lol we did just fine from the 40s-70s with high taxes.

[@focusedeye]

@John Drake "Completely unworkable ideas." Not if everybody paid their fair share of taxes. Particularly corporations. Which is exactly his argument, the same logical argument he used in Davos which brought him to our attention.

[@focusedeye]

@John Drake I'm sorry to have bothered you with my lowly 124 IQ. I knew that extra 6 points could have made me at the very least an economist like Prof. Richard Wolff, an Ivy League graduate and teacher of Economics...from a Marxist perspective. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp-8kI2nf5tnmas Unlike most people considered "leftist" in the Democratic Party stateside, I would think a self professed Marxist Economics professor could maybe enlighten you kzbin.info/door/K-6FjMu9OI8i0Fo6bkW0VA or his personal website: www.rdwolff.com/

[@katy3901]

@John Drake From the offset I don't want to get dragged into an IQ debate. I don't think that anyone in this conversation is an idiot; we just have different opinions. The argument for UBI is multifaceted. It relates to taxation, of course, and the ethics of governance. What's certain is that it's been tried multiple times, with positive results. What's certain is that this is one way of valuing the unpaid work of many- work that contributes to society, but doesn't produce a paycheck. It allows for autonomy in employment. It's a way of shifting the economy away from pure focus on GDP and capital, more towards progress (like with the GPI). Funding is obviously a loaded question, and I'm not going to pretend to be an economist, as much as I'm interested in that field. I do think that Yanis Varoufakis' ideas for a "universal basic dividend" sounds promising, purely based on the fact that so much income is generated socially.

[@nobodythatyouknow241]

The world needs more people like Rutger Bregman!

[@pratyaysarker537]

I am from India and I am in 100% agreement with Rutger...His way of presenting the idea is very impressive

[@hodgesticj1534]

Are you 100% in agreement with his ideas or the way he presents them?

[@pratyaysarker537]

Hodgestic J is your question focusing on my agreement to the idea being shared or more on the degree/ intensity/ % of agreement?

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

He is inevitably leaving many things out of his presentation, his calculations, and those unexpected things will doom the idea itself.

[@faqts2846]

@@ggrthemostgodless8713 but he mentioned experiments done back in 1974 in Dauphin.. Why can't we just analyse the data instead bluntly declining the idea on the first place. Hungry failed as he said because from the first date it was clear it would be done for 2 years and just on the 11th hour they asked if we can extend it for another 4 year

[@joylynnfujimori6567]

TheMostGodless SinfulBastard You are DOOMED BY YOUR STUPIDITY ‼️🖕

[@leealexander3507]

You could get rid of a lot of programs that simply don't work well in exchange for this one thing that would almost certainly be an improvement.

[@joylynnfujimori6567]

Lee Alexander GUARANTEED ‼️💯

[@focusedeye]

​@Snappingturtle 267 "David Hill privatize social security and every American would retire a millionaire." Really? tcf.org/content/commentary/twelve-reasons-why-privatizing-social-security-is-a-bad-idea/?agreed=1

[@jeh5830]

Snappingturtle 267 except when we socialise the losses and privatise the profits aka the global financial crisis.

[@focusedeye]

@Snappingturtle 267 Thought I'd crawl out of my comfortable, socialist, leftist "hole" to see what the dumpster fire below the 49th had been put out yet...it had not. Three non-related questions. 1.) Did you get your $1200 yet? 2.) Are you tired of winning yet? 3.) Were you born an asshole or did you work at it your whole life?

[@AlexanderStone]

Oh heck yeah! This is great! I first saw your battle with Tucker Carlson bahaha! So great! We are sympatico, Compadré! Bregman, good sir, I look forward to the book!

[@octaviusra]

venture capital for the people

[@rockyroc9155]

Its venture capital. People can afford to take risk. I like this idea. Even I could take risk and do what I wanted if there was system of basic income.

[@just_another_gearhead]

Yeah, it's easy to take risk with free money. But, the board game Monopoly also taught us of how good investments and bad investments work. Give people money and let them make high risk investments will ultimately create a huge market inflation bubble that's only sustained by supplemental income which is based on revenue that is taken from tax payers....meaning ultimately you'll have to tax the richer class even more or send the economy into recession and maybe even depression. The housing market crash showed us what happens when unqualified buyers are given mortgages they cant pay. The banks foreclose, investors money is lost and it takes years for the economy to regain strength and ability to grow again...which growth means jobs, jobs mean money, money means ability to invest, and viola a stabile economy is reborn........now think real hard if you really want to go on another huge risk that WILL fail...and fail spectacularly. We barely recovered from a housing bubble, imagine actual monetary inflation...its not hard, look at Venezuela right now.

[@purpleghost106]

​@@just_another_gearhead Money is a tool, not an absolute. It has a function, it is supposed to allow for ease of trade, when it's hoarded- be that by bankers or billionaires- it's no longer performing that function. Giving it to people who have little means it will always be spent on needs and always be circulating. That's the most basic form of economic stimulus, Kaizen for the society via Keynesian economics. Jobs don't mean money for all, and there are never again going to be enough chairs in the musical-job-chairs because automation is what it is-- unless as Rutger was talking about, you make bullsh*t jobs. But why? Why work extra JUST to have money, when you could skip the corporate middleman and just give your population money? Again, money is a tool. We should only HAVE to do the jobs that actually are needed, work less but more meaningful work. Also, that is a misconception about the 2008 housing crisis. The actual numbers say it was that these were largely investment properties which meant the person who the mortgage was given to didn't give a f*ck about the property because it wasn't actually their home (Quartz has an excellent article on that: qz.com/1064061/house-flippers-triggered-the-us-housing-market-crash-not-poor-subprime-borrowers-a-new-study-shows/) There were some people who lost their primary homes too, yes, but they were the minority. The housing crisis was created by 2nd homes and house flippers who were trying to make a profit and their profit was part of what created the housing bubble. Capitalism without checks and balances is a Jenga game, it needs good regulations to act as replacement blocks and structural supports or it's only a matter of time til each profit-block that can be taken out has been and the whole thing topples.

[@just_another_gearhead]

@@purpleghost106 I do appreciate your reply. And I'll look into researching more of some the pointers you brought up. I have to say though, I am pretty hard lined in the direction I'm thinking but who knows maybe you'll turn me...or perhaps just as likely I'll turn you. One thing that is for sure is that people from all sides of the isle need to come together and figure out how to at least conversate. Again, thanks for the cander and reply sir.

[@monitoradiation]

@@just_another_gearhead It takes two to tango, though. Don't just absolve the banks that were giving loans out to people who obviously can't service the debt. That's just predatory. But the banks didn't care because they bundled these mortgages and sold them off to, say, pension funds that eventually was left holding the bag when these things blew up. Also, you kind of make it sound like banks and those big hedge funds dont do high risk investing and/or mortgages. Maybe i'm mistaken. But that's literally their bread and butter these days. Their leverage ratio under Basel 3 is only what, like 3-10% depending on local discretionary regulation, and it's not even going to be implemented until this year. When I took out my mortgage if I didn't have at least 30% of assets/debt I'm considered risky. Now obviously I'm not equating myself to an bank because we dont operate the same. But if you're looking strictly at what causes bubbles, your run-of-the-mill family who can't afford a $500 emergency (which is like 40% or more of americans) is more likely to use it to pay off their mortgages, student loans, maybe afford to eat slightly healthier, put their kids in better daycare and overall likely reduce their existing risk. They are not going to make any riskier financial decisions than banks who have thinks they will get bailed out by taxpayers and are way higher leveraged.

[@purpleghost106]

@@monitoradiation &​ @JustAnotherGearhead I think you have the right of it Super-Duck. Everything I've read in the interim from the crisis suggests that the banks involved have continued 'business as usual' style with the high-risk investments, and the bank-bailout meant they never had to change tactics. Except in Iceland, because they actually jailed their bankers. (tbh Wish we'd done that.) Also Gearhead, I appreciate your openness to ideas. I'm very used to people just shifting goalposts and not being interested in facts, so thank you for actually considering what I have to say and talking to me like I'm a person. I also feel like more people need to actually discuss these issues seriously. It's a bain of my existence that people are so apathetic about things that are actually important. It's so sad to me too because solving this issue of the wealth gap is the difference between millions of people living their dreams, or dying in squalor-- and personally I'm on the side of wanting people to be able to live their dreams. Like I just want a better world, we could build it if we tried, I'm sure of it.

[@brendavigeant2277]

There was a study done in Dauphin, Manitoba, Canada during the mid 1970's called "Mincome." Every resident was guaranteed an income above poverty level, all they had to do was register at the town office. They were hoping for positive results, what they got blew their minds. High school dropouts stopped. No teen pregnancies. Crime was virtually non existent. Calls to emergency services, doctors, etc. dropped significantly. The residents actually had the disposable income to enjoy life. The fisherman bought a boat, almost every young girl had a pony, the mood of the community was astounding. Everyone was happy. Sadly, the experiment closed, the results were filed away, and that was pretty much the last we heard of it.

[@SnrKagemusha]

The speaker brings this case up at about 25 minutes into his talk

[@joylynnfujimori6567]

BRENDA VIGEANT Probably Because the conservatives could no longer steal tax dollars!

[@alvinfinkel5353]

There are two scholarly pieces that have been done on the Dauphin experiment. They are Evelyn Forget, “The Town with No Poverty: The Health Effects of a Canadian Guaranteed Annual Income Field Experiment,” Canadian Public Policy, 37, 3 (September 2011), 283-305; Derek Hum, “A Guaranteed Annual Income? From Mincome to the Millennium,” Policy Options, January-February 2001, 78-82.

[@santinorider7536]

Had it been a bad result, then it would have been front page news.....

[@santinorider7536]

@Snappingturtle 267 You obviously didn't read the reports. Did you overlook the savings made in healthcare, policing, social disruption? UBI done well, pays for itself...

[@LolaBgcps]

This makes me question everything.

[@rangerjenny1278]

If UBI meant people wouldn't work or do anything, then why are all these trust fund babies on TV and running businesses? why aren't they just not doing anything?

[@knib864]

Love Rutger Bregman!!!!

[@pippoespera8902]

It's our duty to push this. UBI, a good progressive tax system, and also, the AOC proposal of taxing every dollar above 10 million earnings per year with 70%. And being harder on tax evasion. We know almost every rich people evade taxes big time.

[@CG0077]

I think it is close to $180 Billion every year worldwide in avoided taxs, and thats at the tax rate about half what AOC proposes.

[@pippoespera8902]

@@CG0077 Only 180? I'm talking about all countries not just the US. What about tax heavens?

[@biplav32]

Lol they will avoid taxes even more after 70%. The rich will keep all of their money in offshore accounts and even move. USA will be a hell hole like Venezuela. This is the goal of commies like Rutger. Before you bring up 90% taxes during 1950's. The effective highest tax rate was 42% and the tax base was much larger. 22% tax rate (not effective)was the lowest tax rate.

[@pippoespera8902]

@@biplav32 It doesn't matter that rich people avoid taxes. We should go gradually towards there. Times are always changing. We can do it.

[@biplav32]

@@pippoespera8902 We should gradually deport commies like you.

[@DeadMarine1980]

The state of Alaska in the United States has a UBI already. It's the redest of red States, super conservative and they love there UBI.

[@goodtimetraveler8261]

wrong. alaska has _profit sharing_ from oil proceeds. it's not created from debt.

[@DeadMarine1980]

@Rex Henderson well if you actually listened to Yang's proposal he said technology companies.

[@tannerarmstrong1496]

Also Alaskas oil profit sharing is not any where near enough to support a person by itself. When I last lived there it was a couple thousand dollars a year, which is way smaller than any ubi proposal I have ever heard

[@focusedeye]

@Rex Henderson A simple google search turned up this educational nugget: www.yang2020.com/what-is-ubi/

[@rangerjenny1278]

@@goodtimetraveler8261 sharing tax revenue IS sharing profit. semantics are how they get ya. #WordsMatter

[@ArtemKonstantinovich]

I love this man. "Humankind" is in my top 5 of favorite books.

[@ralpholynyk5321]

i experienced the reality of poverty, and with our social security net, experienced the need to de-program myself from the illusion of worth only being related to what one does for a job (took a few years!) i was challenged to find my worth as a human,and discovered i had lots ambition and desire to explore talents, interests and my curiosities, thru the limited income from the state, i discovered that poverty eventually creates a block in ones abilities to pursue those human desires, 'i cant afford that'....weather its going to school, getting materials for an invention, or artistic creations, then i discovered that that little extra money beyond ones basic needs (food-shelter-utilities) gives a human OPTIONS.... having options in life is what helps one explore and advance their own personal meaning and fulfillment... thus a 'real' stable livable income liberates an individual towards personal happiness... imho.... in this virus crisis time, people have not had enough time to process and de-program from the so called 'normal' ways they attain self-worth and such-thus the panic to 'get back to old normal-work and such...encouraged by corporate pressures to have 'workers' back making them money once again....we are ALL in this experiment...hopefully this lecture can be a call for real change... awesome- sharing this around!

[@jlcapaz]

I love what I hear in these presentations and in these comments! Hello people of the world! We must make this happen.

[@hillarymerce5881]

@Snappingturtle 267 Im pretty sure your the stupid one! Your brainwashed into thinking the way u do...which obviously makes u the dumb one because u cant think for yourself! The way we are doing things isnt working! Wake the hell up!

[@StevenKHarrison]

Universal income, universal health care FREE THE PEOPLE!

[@pioterhejdysz868]

by robing other people money?

[@SquarishLink]

make people free by creating a class of slaves who need to provide for the "FREE PEOPLE"

[@StevenKHarrison]

@@SquarishLink That is a totally idiotic statement, Thanks for making laugh this morning.

[@SquarishLink]

@@StevenKHarrison who will pay for your utopia project? how will you pay over 330 million americans thousands each month?

[@StevenKHarrison]

@@SquarishLink You will fool, we're gonna tax the shit out of you and your billionaire buddies..

[@vegab2543]

I came here to find a great case to support Andrew Yang for president.. Bregman is an international treasure.

[@boludoconcamara9298]

Damn that really hits on people knowing what they are against, but not for.

[@aurifelix]

I'd love to hear more about ephemeralization and how automation and technology can makes things incredibly cheap, which makes UBI even more palatable.

[@tim3440]

No talk of inflation. You have a real life example of a UBI right now... USA done it through covid. Conclusion; inflation. A lot of inflation.

[@Neb.333]

Great brain...new ways of viewing the world thank you 🙏

[@joylynnfujimori6567]

Nancy Benner It’s not a new way, but it’s the right way!

[@kimweaver3323]

My late wife was a genius at motivating her team. She was retired from the USN and went to work for a large contractor in secure communications. She had a lot of frustrations but also referred to her "Dilberts" slaving away in their cubicles, with a sweet and gentle smile. Hung on her doorknob........... "The floggings will continue until morale improves". Navy humor.

[@marquessman]

This guy is Brilliant!

[@dellmedia]

I love this man!

[@auction00]

Rutger, thank you for pointing out that the news is about exceptions!! I actually never thought of it that way and now am feeling better about life. Also, thank you for calling out Davos and that Tucker character whom I used to like until you enlightened everyone that he's on the take.

[@tyseng9629]

Worked in banking shy of a decade and every position I held (5 ladder climbs in total) wholeheartedly were BS jobs. That period was riddled with bouts of heavy boozing and declining health but it meant I didn't have to fake calling in sick. In the end ghosting my boss was the most satisfying moment of my tenure! Took me a couple years of soul searching and prudent whittling of my personal coffers to finally "make it. " I was fortunate to have had the financial means but for the many Dreamers without, it would provide that first stepping stone towards a more meaningful path in life.

[@tim3440]

No talk of inflation. You have a real life example of a UBI right now... USA done it through covid. Conclusion; inflation. A lot of inflation.

[@joshkeijzer]

@@tim3440 That’s a very simplistic way of looking, Tim. Yes, the inflation is soaring but it boils down to both the increase in demand and bottlenecks in supply chain. You are purposefully ignoring the latter for the sake of your argument.

[@tim3440]

@@joshkeijzer Ehm... No I am not ignoring it, nor is it a simplistic way of looking at it... The FED printed 25% of all dollars in 2020... The ECB printed 33% of all Euro's in 2020... Like honestly why wouldnt there be around 15-20% inflation? Exactly what we see right now... The only reason we dont have 25-33% inflation is because we export dollars and Euro's... And considering my first reaction from 5 months ago; yes inflation is also created by UBI which creates those bottlenecks because there is more demand for certain goods and services.

[@Mellowcanuck33]

I think a UBI will be a shot in the arm for creativity, art, music, home made.

[@robert2690]

Millions of people want to spend more time with their family without having to worry about their expenses and whether their wages is enough given the amount of hours. I don’t need vacation, I can stay at home hanging out with friends and it doesn’t cost no more than $500. To me, that’s living. Living shouldn’t cost that much. If the government gives me a UBI check every month, an affordable housing unit no more than 100 sqft and a 2nd floor, and a program on how to invest and make money very fast, it is possible I can make more money and so by taxing me a bit more, the tax dollars should provide more affordability healthcare and investment towards education, our infrastructure, etc. This is how you fix poverty, help poor communities. That’s why I vote for these things. I don’t need a gun for protection, society should create solutions so that the government can help the community so that there will be less crime and more people striving for success.

[@Godstrumpet2010]

The problem is GREED. One of the 7 Deadly Sins. If greed can be looked upon properly as a society, the scope of poverty can be diminished. But as long as we worship wealth by any means, poverty will continue to grow and destroy the potential of many generations.

[@danieltiller1421]

@Snappingturtle 267 Is that true though? If you take your subjectivity away you could easily see modern socialist countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway , Iceland outperform America in almost every way. Better standards of living, less poverty, less crime, less substance abuse and people are generally happier.

[@danieltiller1421]

Snappingturtle 267 I’m not American and know very little about Bernie Sanders. I’m European and have been to all the previously mention countries. Even worked for 6 months in Denmark. You are correct in that they are not true socialist countries but they are a little more balanced and appear to be socialist compared to the US - which has shifted further and further right of centre. They are all on paper poorer than the US but the average standard of living is FAR higher. The truth is a wellfair state, healthcare, free education do NOT make people lazy. It’s funny I bet you have no problem with the US spending trillions a year on the military but get all up and arms at the concept of poor people having the right to free healthcare. I’m not a socialist I just think with a true democracy you should have transparency in the government and trust them to actually do stuff.

[@playlist4637]

Love this guy

[@rdh-daliasjb3796]

When this was part of the Green Party manifesto in the 80's there was a program on the box with economists discussing UBI, and they all said it would work, and the figures added up.

[@rdh-daliasjb3796]

@Snappingturtle 267 Spappingturtle losses mind: Anti-virus download needed!

[@AndiKnittel]

Thanks a lot for sharing. Good lecture with some interesting ideas. 🙂🎸

[@Bri_bees]

The assumption that people acting in their self interest is bad is not true. The ubi suffers from the problem that it removes power from politicians and they love power.

[@anthonywhite4831]

ßri amen. They love power because power is money

[@sa-iw4dr]

Bri, Politicians we can vote out and need to do that! The 1% not paying their share of taxes!

[@Bri_bees]

@@sa-iw4dr Vote out one megalomaniac and vote in another. The political class is driven by power , if you want to give them more power over you that's your choice but that is all taxing the 1% will do . You will get some token benefit so you keep voting the "right " way but that is all.

[@sa-iw4dr]

@@Bri_bees Yep, those poor people that are wealthy I feel so sorry for them why they have no place to go or sleep at night! I mean what will they do; not with no food on the table or not being to pay their medical bills and all. I feel so broken up about those poor rich people they will be so harmed by paying their share! f-off!

[@Bri_bees]

@@sa-iw4dr I didn't defend rich people all I said the the Only effect of talking more money from them is politicans taking more of your freedom. Can't you see how happy they are now they have total control over everyone.

[@Maddie9185]

I love this men. So damn smart. Pay attention guys, this is what real women look for in men; real substance.

[@ap3885]

madeline cruz you’ll love Andrew Yang then

[@jrconcerned6064]

You have that right Madeline.

[@miscdylaneous5269]

“What you assume in other people is what you get out of them” -Rutger Bregman

[@brycebray9149]

Watching during chaotic 2020

[@ttrons2]

Well said an idea whose time has come. We are in a crisis now. I will be dead within 10 years I worry for my children and grandchildren. I am optomistic because of life's inate drive to servive and carry on. It is a chemical reaction that is difficult to stop.

[@Larkinchance]

This man reminds me of Steven Pinker. Mr. Pinker is extremely intelligent and I have great respect for him, but I disagree with his “It 'll be alright” optimism.” So does Nom Chomsky. Rudger Bergman follows similar lines. People living in a social democracy really do care about each other and Mr Bergman has grown up in this environment. The US is competitive and money driven and today they do not give a shit about their neighbors if they even know their names and it has taken a turn for the worse. Universal Basic Income sounds great to me, but what good is it if you cannot keep a roof over your head.. Netherlands cares about its people. If there is a need for housing, they built it. I wish I could say the same about the US.. Fiat money always rises above what people can afford. With respect, Mr. Bergman knows how to work a room and I hope his book sells out.

[@angelsoflolz]

Overthinking as I usually do, I also feel there are gaps that optimism may simply not fill. But he is right; if you in the US thinks this about the US and the people in it, it's only going to keep being true. It'll be a loooong up-hill battle to actually believing others aren't selfish cut-throat bastards. It's gonna be a long battle now, but believing it can't change is definitely part of the problem keeping it true. And, UBI is supposed to keep a roof over your head if working as intended.

[@autohmae]

Maybe look up Yang 2020 and lets see if it's impossible in the US.

[@joylynnfujimori6567]

Larkinchance CAPITALISM IS THE PROBLEM...IT IS THE CUNTSERVATIVES CODEWORD FOR GREED‼️

[@Larkinchance]

@@joylynnfujimori6567 Joylynn.. You are certainly right. To make any meaningful drive to counteract global warming is to ask these multi-national corporations to commit suicide and they are not about to do that.. This gentleman poses an attractive proposition but an unstable currency would gobble up whatever the minimum might be. The US is not Holland. Finally when will people see that conservative/liberal is a device to keep us divided. Complain about the Republicans all you want but the Democrats are just as bad.. What is going on in Washington between Trump forces and the Democrats is a palace revolt.. It has nothing to do with us...A pox on both their houses.

[@ottolaakso1944]

This is a woeful misreading of social democracy. The whole point of social democracy is that you don't rely on people 'caring' for each other. You guarantee essential needs by right. And the principle of universality (which Americans seem to find so hard to wrap their heads around) means that everyone benefits. Everyone pays (of course the wealthier you are, the more you pay, in relative as well as absolute terms), and everyone gets access to the same services, not just the neediest. Social democracy is basically like private insurance, only on a massive scale and funded by taxes. Basically social democracy is an impersonal and coldly rational enterprise and that's exactly why it kicks ass.

[@andresthomas1043]

As a teacher, I see a lot of bullshit jobs in my school. Half the staff at my school could disappear and it would have zero effect. I call the people that have these jobs closet workers because they tend to work out of a closet. They usually work with 5-6 students a day but spend the majority of their day in meetings or working on paperwork(Classroom teachers work with 23 students and usually do paperwork at home). The problem with closet workers is that they don't really care about student achievement. Because they make up half of our staff they tend to drag our school policy into directions that don't support student achievement--They want things like school wide assemblies or school wide activities that have nothing to do with student achievement. If all the closet teachers stopped coming to our school the majority of our students would have higher academic achievement!

[@pioterhejdysz868]

Is this a goverment run school? If yes that's the answer.

[@iemon7722]

A beautiful mind.

[@hydraelectricblue]

I see it now this is the next stage in human history and evolution. The only thing I disagree with is the altruism assumption. Children have to be taught to be altruistic. It's not native to all children. I've seen toddlers kick other kids out of the way in the face if they are on their way to the slide.....

[@mariuszfurman6531]

Altruism in not taught, altruism has to be suppressed. No mammal species can be non-altruistic and survive. We have to care about children and members of our group to transfer our genes. Take a hundred children, give a kitten to each of them and check how many of them will strangle it because they can. Buy first grader a pet piglet. Next day show him how to kill it and prepare meal. Serve it. Show someone a picture of crying person, ask what he feels. Show a picture of smiling one and ask same question. This is empathy. Almost 100% of us has it. Animals have it too. We don't want hurt others. We do because we believe it's what we should to do (to protect ourselves, others, to eat, earn, to be a good soldier...). Kids fight like pups do. Not to hurt but to learn the life.

[@ginademiranda1216]

These questions are somewhat silly. There are people who have UBI and use it to start businesses in the main. They are called "trust fund" babies.

[@umno4856]

Snappingturtle 267 you dumbass people trade money no money is owned by one man it flows throughout society

[@thundertruck6577]

eliminate rental property every dwelling people spend on their housing should go to the purchase of their housing this should be number one in the United States

[@blastard8980]

What about less taxes for everyone and letting people keep their money? That's freedom

[@Mermaid2261]

The common sense historian! Love it and him!

[@ozahmed4523]

This guy is like a Dutch Angel!

[@JB-he1jt]

You just described how killing animals by the billions each year to survive is no longer necessary. The rise and awareness of veganism!!

[@herauthon]

one lesson from history is.. that humanity learned that there is one lesson from history..

[@wilmawatts9824]

Only catching up with this video. UBI is really needed now during this time of pandemic.

[@astralrealm333]

any Yangers?

[@HotPinkst17]

Love this idea, but haven't heard any solution to the owners just raising the cost of living to absorb the UBI into the upper class. UBI would have to come with a price freeze it seems. With robots taking all the jobs people will only be needed for science and art, so this idea is totally logical, but the current upper class is positioned to dominate any change in the power dynamic over the lower classes. If the intent is to provide housing, food, and clothing to a dignified degree then this needs to be integrated into citizenship and protected from greedy corporate domination.

[@FilipinoHODL]

#GoogleAndrewYang

[@HotPinkst17]

@Jon Cumberbatch Excellent points. Furthermore we all have inherent value and shouldn't be made to scrape and scramble for life's necessities when they are in abundance, it's dehumanizing and just the rich exploiting the poor.

[@robert2690]

@@HotPinkst17 Millions of people want to spend more time with their family without having to worry about their expenses and whether their wages is enough given the amount of hours. I don’t need vacation, I can stay at home hanging out with friends and it doesn’t cost no more than $500. To me, that’s living. Living shouldn’t cost that much. If the government gives me a UBI check every month, an affordable housing unit no more than 100 sqft and a 2nd floor, and a program on how to invest and make money very fast, it is possible I can make more money and so by taxing me a bit more, the tax dollars should provide more affordability healthcare and investment towards education, our infrastructure, etc. This is how you fix poverty, help poor communities. That’s why I vote for these things. I don’t need a gun for protection, society should create solutions so that the government can help the community so that there will be less crime and more people striving for success.

[@sheilaramsey846]

In my Utopia, this guy has a conversation with Terence McKenna. And I'm sitting in the front row. 😎

[@adron7748]

#andrewyang the only candidate who actually spoke about UBI in the US

[@thetayterminator1436]

#YANGGANG

[@30secondsofminecraft84]

He makes more sense every time i hear what he says . lets work to create our dreamworld we have everything we need to do that.(and dont forget nature ofc cus without that we woudnt be here.)

[@daveicc495]

UBI is necessary for those who are disabled and those who have donated to society such as those who are serving in the military and other governmental jobs.

[@philtronnn]

JodyJohn123 it’s necessary for everybody. Just like healthcare, and education. All 3 are a great balance check to the unbridled capitalism and wealth hoarding that has been eating our democracy and the planet for the past 50 years.

[@philtronnn]

Snappingturtle 267 you’re busy on this string. Lots o shit to talk. No real substance.

[@timothyjohnson1511]

Decades ago the owners of the too big to fail banks made massive investments in oil-based energy infrastructure, knowing they could profitably sell the energy to millions of consumers to heat their homes, power their cars, and the factories that produce the many products we buy. If someone were to introduce a very low-cost energy source, these massive investments would become worthless. Both the banks and your pension funds include some of these investments. This is the motivation for the UFO ETI and Free Energy secrecy and suppression. These energy technologies would collapse our current global Petrodollar based economy. However, today we hopefully recognize the Petrodollar economy is a system of global enslavement which siphons away our wealth with devaluing currency and overpriced energy. Today we spend more than $6Trillion per year on direct energy expenditures. Additionally, the overpriced energy embedded in everything we buy including housing, food, medicine, consumer staples and durable goods of all kinds increases the amount by which we unnecessarily overpay. Nikola Tesla demonstrated cheap, fuel less, clean energy sources more than one hundred years ago. However, the bank owners, having already made massive investments in oil, which must return on investment to have value, would become bankrupt by free energy. Since the government depends on the banks to borrow and spend, both were compelled to suppress free energy, to the detriment of humanity. How much of our earned discretionary income has been siphoned away to pay for these mal-investments? $6Trillion per year global energy expenditure, times . . . 8x multiplier as the effects of overpriced energy percolate through the economy. This is the money velocity (12x) times the Kummel Ayres energy contribution multiplier (0.7x) described in The Last Oil Shock, pg 116-123, times . . . 100 years, divided by two. Since, 100 years ago oil had a low net cost. Which is: $6T x 8 x 100 / 2 = $2,400 Trillion This is the motivation for the UFO, ETI and Free Energy secrecy. Source: DuckDuckGo: siriusdisclosure suppressed-energy-technologies

[@boylepeter]

Brilliant!

[@Maddie9185]

I love history

[@josjanssen6733]

The news is about exceptions. Everybody sit-up and listen !😊

[@ozahmed4523]

However news does make things happen in modern history! News and incidents are what spurs change!

[@Kevin_TN]

So how are the UBIs going that were mentioned in this?

[@plerpplerp5599]

Rutger is een lekker ding.😍

[@mariemack5836]

Rutger Bregman I now know where the Irish accent comes from. Ref 23:40 for evidence....Lol

[@Chyn1994]

i would move to the city but City per month in Norway is too expensive even im a inventor and a entrepreneur

[@khatarshab2214]

Rutger the new Mandela from our generation

[@Nikolajnen]

@Snappingturtle 267 Oh my god. How can you be so dumb... and apathetic.

[@MindandQiR1]

Andrew Yang 2020

[@criticalthinker6736]

I agree with the need for UBI as a next step. However, I also encourage all to read about and look up a resource-based economy, of which UBI is a crucial first step if we are to survive and flourish altogether as a species. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnqwqmOHd7iEjdE kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqiZn3mNgcaGh7M

[@CraigCastanet]

Bullshit jobs? He's exactly right on this point.

[@martin36369]

1.We cannot afford to not have a basic income system, with the ever increasing automation encroaching on employment, either they will have to take the vote away from the unemployed, or the unemployed when they reach a critical mass will vote in the system. 2.The trials that have been done, have been done with people who have been educated with an educational system that has been geared towards training for jobs, not creativity, think how much more successful a universal basic income would be with generations nurtured to be creative. 3.We also need cheap clean energy, the materials genome project will eventually come up with new materials for efficient thermoelectrics & enhanced conductors such as the two-dimensional Graphene, that will cut waste heat., & allow one wind turbine to do the work of a hundred.

[@jabel6434]

martin smith , Thanks for this sane comment.

[@richardgregory3684]

Well if you want to pay taxes of 80% so you can see it handed out to other people who don;t have to lift a finger in return good luck. The whole thing about "it would save on welfare" is false. a UBI is a subsistence payment. Lots of people on welfare have specific needs that mean they have higher basic costs - if you're disabled then your basic living costs are higher than average. You would very quickly see additional payments and top ups being created in order to cover all of that, and they would invariably involve means tests and procedures to make sure people weren;t makign fraudulent claims. So all the apparatus of the welfare system would still be there. You're dreaming if you think lots of people would not see they could live a relatively decent life on UBI only and would jump at the chance of leaving all the jobs that people hate but which must be done to keep society running. How would you persude people to clea sewers, collect rubbish bins, clean toilets and all the other stuff peopel only do because they are paid to do it, if they could get by on doing nothing? You honestly think that the average person would not happily quit their jobs and adopt a surfer lifestyle? Your audience is filled with highly paid people often in academic or business careers who are doing jobs they like. Of course *they* would not quit. Ask an audience of cleaners or sewage workers and see how many would put up their hands! The idea that everyone is a frustrated artist, poet, scientist or entrepeneur who only need free money to unleash their genius is nonsense. A heck of a lot of people are just average, and would happily sit back and take their UBI and watch TV or play computer games all day. Lots of pensioners do that when the get their UBI.

[@marcusfolke4783]

good conf

[@schloops8473]

I came up with the term "bullshit job" after watching a black mirror episode where people had to do a lot of cycling on special in-door bikes every day... because no way in hell would that be to get electricity but only to "provide jobs" to people so the system can survive. For me, a bullshit job is a job that serves the sole purpose of pretending a system is still working. NB: not pretending I have anything to do with the emergence of that term in the public mind

[@schloops8473]

@Snappingturtle 267 how so?

[@schloops8473]

@Snappingturtle 267 maybe it would help if you told me why you dislike him.

[@haga059]

I would definitely choose basic income and ditch my bullshit job for simple life. It would reduce carbon waste buying stuff and burning gas for working. It's matter of time and my job would be replaced by much smarter AI robot anyway.

[@juancarlosbuendiacuellar768]

Yeah , it makes me think on those ex - wall street brokers who left that crazy life and bought a modest house far from the madding crowd , and start a new life, biking and playing a guitar. its almost the same , just it comes from the goverment who realizes there are too many bull shit jobs.

[@jeffreychongsathien]

Can UBI work while central banks can print money? (and hand it out to the rich/bankers)

[@criticalthinker6736]

Maybe. I say why not just skip a money system altogether and transition towards a society system that is actually designed to put the health and well-being of the public and environment first, like a Resourced Based Economy? UBI is just a stepping stone in the long run.

[@robertrstevens]

One conclusion that can be drawn from Bregman's words of wisdom is that the worst aspects of our lives - feeling discouraged and powerless and generally frustrated with all the insanities surrounding us every day - are things whose causes lie in the basic and fundamental ways the world is WRONGLY perceived. Many of Our ideas and the ones that The Politicians carry around in their heads are getting us into a lot of trouble and misery that is totally unnecessary. Bregman is telling us that we can change this. We CAN march to ANOTHER drummer. LONG LIVE RUTGER BREGMAN !

[@bibitobastosqueiroz]

Dude, chill.

[@hillarymerce5881]

@Snappingturtle 267 From what i can tell... you were born with a silver spoon.

[@hillarymerce5881]

@Snappingturtle 267 Point is no one anywhere in this world should have to worry about the basic day to day human needs....clothes, food, shelter (i.e)....these things should be basic human rights for everyone! Having to grow up that way should never have to happen (which i experienced also). Its about giving everyone a fair chance in this life! There are enough resources in this entire world for everyone to live comfortably and not have to worry about these things. We live poor/middle class/ non elite and then bust our ass our whole life like fuckin robots in this systematic system to keep the rich richer and with a dream to get richer ourselves because that is what is most important and provides security?? They keep us stagnant for a reason! They have the ultimate control over us entirely. You may have made something better out of yourself through your struggles, but most dont! Most lower class people see no hope, see no future, and just live to get by. This definitely stagnants people from becoming who we could ultimately be and evolving into our higher self of purpose. Which is what our mission is here on earth....its not to slave away for another mans fortune. Life definitely has a deeper meaning and we are taught the exact opposite...change is good. Most times its exactly what we need. I honestly dont have a clue about politics or even care to learn because its just static separating us as a human race. Its deeper then that.....everyone crys....whos gonna pay...whos gonna pay? Its just paper that could be reprinted and reprinted a million times over and yet it actually has power to let nations fall....like what in the actual fuck. When you actually step back and look a the bigger picture it really doesnt seem to have any meaning at all...except one that man created to have righteous power over people and "prove" that if we have less we are the weaker link...and if we want more then we should do as they say. I just dont get it. Maybe i just look at life differently because of my personal experiences. All i know is that it pisses me off that we waste so much of our time here on earth just to survive and take care of our loved ones basic human needs when clearly our universe has advanced so much more then that and we shouldnt have to worry about those things anymore. All the resources are at the tip of out fingers. Theres nothing to actually figure out anymore more except how to be better versions of ourselves. Love, live, learn. We are a whole. We're in this together!

[@Gardengallivant]

What an interesting question, what is a bullshit job? Caring for the elderly, small children or the ill cannot be stopped without social disaster yet much of this is totally unpaid labor or "women's work". Just as when garbage collectors strike, it becomes critical, when parents and caretakers quit working for a few days. Our communities see it as normal to pay middle managers, lobbyists, fund managers high salaries but a parent raising children gets nothing for the necessary labor of birthing and raising our altricial next generation until they can attend school potty trained and fully able to interact socially with language, the basic golden rule of empathetic social interaction along with familiarity with the current culture and technology. Then there is the dutiful child caring for the previous generation of parents, as they lose ability to care for themselves. This is another unpaid laborer providing for societies wellbeing. Maybe we should redefine what jobs really need to be paid versus the ones that are make-work to ensure our GDP keeps growing. We live in a closed system, on a planet with limited resources, so we cannot keep growing our economies. Instead we need to look to a new economic system that is stable and recognizes the basic requirements of social communities. We have an economic engine that produces our wealth but it is there to provide for our social well being. We have the technology, machines so we can provide for all members, including recognizing all contributions towards our emotional social continuance. We need the care we provide for our family members and our societies' vulnerable so maybe the UBI is also a way to let people take the time to care for each other, too. Some young people will get schooling so they go on to create while some will learn crafts but many will invest time in caring for their family or for people in their community.

[@AkaiAzul]

Always strive for a utopia, but never actually achieve it. Perfection doesn't exist, so if one believes they've achieved it, then something, somewhere, is very, very wrong.

[@thedude7319]

I like the emotional value of the idea, but people should be wary. the person in question didn't really provide numbers of any value, the estimates are just estimates. the only numbers of any use are the time of the strikes, and the 7/13 who got a ''roof over their heads'' but even this number needs scrutiny first of, a very low sample size but since the funds weren't avaible this need to be addressed in that double blind placebo study, also the definition of ''wealth/health/...'' needs to be defined so well you can't get any quackery or befudging with the numbers. If they do it right from the start than you got proof for a decade if you do it wrong or fuck up, you fuck up the idea for the rest of us

[@masondeross]

The truth is, his idea of a 15 hour work week is too high. By 2034, half of all jobs we have now will be automated. That isn't because we are waiting on the technology, that's because we are resisting the automation. In the next 30-50 years, we'll have AI that does 99% of jobs better than humans (this doesn't require true intelligence, just adequately trained deep-learning neural networks iterative improvements of what we have today). We can automate nearly all customer service jobs today, using very personable AI that can carry on conversations. We can automate nearly all transportation jobs today. We can automate most manufacturing jobs today. We don't need most insurance jobs if we turned to a more "turn in the broken item, get a new one" type policy, along with medicare for all of course. You don't really need life insurance if your dependents are all getting their own UBI. You'd need disaster relief type insurance still, and a small amount of crime related insurance to replace stolen items, but most of this can be done by AI customer service with perhaps some supervising people until AI has learned enough. The idea of people being programmers or maintenance techs for this system is also fantasy, because AI can almost do it better than we can today let alone in 30 years. Doctors can do remote surgery today, and in 30 years AI will just operate the machinery without a doctor anymore. What will be trickier might be jobs like comedians, but AI will eventually do that better than us too. As a software engineering, I can assure you, I would not recommend children in grade school today plan to be programmers in the future, because it just isn't realistic. UBI needs to be designed to give everyone an upper middle class lifestyle, not basic subsistence living. There just won't be job to be had. There also isn't a realistic limit to what we can produce, when you factor in the vast resources we have available in the nearby asteroids (and we've already landed probes on some of them, so this isn't a technical limitation but a political one). There is no functional reason everyone on earth can't drive a Ferrari made entirely of platinum in 20 years (there are asteroids with more of it on just one of them than ever mined on earth), with carbon fiber versions today in the mean time. We are being held back by outdated patent systems, and outdated economic philosophy predicated on workers being human. This is all just common sense, and easily researched. Here are the first two search results to get you started. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/04/24/a-study-finds-nearly-half-of-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-automation www.planetaryresources.com/

[@Khaledf]

I actually slept a half or three quarters of this lecture. The tone of his voice made me sleep as a baby. So, *what did he actually say?* It would be very nice for someone to summarize the ideas he's selling. 🥺

[@andrewforrayi9666]

Solarpunk is the next Utopia!

[@ddskimmer]

Except for open borders all you said is right on! I don't believe one society and its generated wealth should be dispersed and shared with those that have not worked to contribute to it, nor can themselves contribute to it for lack of education, or by their nature have extreme racial differences. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against immigration. As long there is controlled and legal immigration that ensures the host country to retain is racial, religious and national identity is fine with me. If Universal Basic Income is globally this would be an ideal thing and the IMF and WTO should flip the bill since they ripped off the wealth of many first and third world nations.

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

How can Universal Basic Income be considered Universal when it isn't even Global? It seems more like National Basic Income to me.

[@Chyn1994]

i bet we will play games and Olympics

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

13:40 The idea of Basic Income; and what he says about it, that it takes care of all humans' basic needs and thus anyone can "quit any job they don't feel like doing or staying in"; this is interesting because it would completely change the way we VALUE things and what is DONE, thus, nasty and dangerous jobs where people actually put their lives on the line or if the job is risky for some other reasons, those jobs would have to pay a LOT MORE for people to do them, thus I imagine that very high or very intelligent people would fill these jobs, instead of the low IQ uneducated people that currently film these positions, but as I said, the jobs would have to pay A LOT MORE. Unfortunately MOST these jobs are also very repetitive, and most repetitive jobs WILL BE done machines soon; in fact a few repetitive jobs that machines can already do, are NOT being done because they want to keep people "working". Still, the CONSEQUENCES or restructuring results of social orders and whether these changes or consequence can be SUSTAINED for long is a very interesting area to dwell and think about; and most surely if the idea is implemented (doubtful) there will be many things we, who took the time to think about the CONSEQUENCES of it, will have missed, or even missed the consequences of the consequences. The danger might be that many of these ideas are NOT reversible, specially if they got a lot of opposition NOW... look at any country that is NOT capitalist, and they all have artificial obstacles or "embargoes", CIA operations or "coups", or some sort of drastic "sanctions" on them, so how can we ever REALLY know if they work or not?? Same with the idea of Basic Income, I think.

[@ericinman430]

I don't owe you shit, for nothing: Or, maybe, I should take your shit, for nothing.

[@stormwarning1235]

Here's an idea, everyone in school gets the same grade whether they work hard or not, whether they study or not, whether they care or not.

[@Salaryman_]

i have a bullshit job...

[@d006k]

Bankers in India keep going on strike for one reason or the other.

[@CartoonManWhoo]

Yang2020

[@yd8104]

5:00 it's a detail but this is one of the major problems we have. Giving statistics the wrong meaning : If 1/3 or murders occur within mariage, it means that 2/3 are happening out of mariage, so if there was a causality it would be that it's safer to be maried. Talking about and taking measures for the exception.

[@grus599]

. I like his idea, and I think we can start it in the schols, no any grades for kids, and let see what impact it brings. I believe Norway runs this experiment. I have only one disagreeable point - socialism also has incredible ability to create bs jobs, I lived in one, I know.

[@jedics1]

I welcome anyone who bring awareness to a UBI but I think he left out a lot of the reasoning and benefits like how much money is saved immediately from not having to pay to administer/enforce the welfare system? Look no further for an industry founded on BS jobs with their online courses that teach zero to nobody but the bottom 1%.

[@hamzashaikh2099]

I suggest you to learn Islamic economic model, Islamic social model and Islamic political model. It is a solution for all the problems in the world.

[@The.Adept.Chamber]

The Union. The people's welfare. Read the Constitution.

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

11:50 "...what we assume in other people, that's what we get out of them..." I call bullshit on that.... He is talking about a REALISTIC utopia... and yet if you "assume all good things in a person or group, you will surely be disappointed. But I can already hear his answer, he will smirk and say, But of course you have to use some common sense, etc etc.... so what is it? "What we assume we get" or...

[@paulbucklebuckle4921]

Venture capital for the people ,,,

[@user-lr6pg7ti7t]

I love all this, but my brother in law...Basic income or not. He wouldn't move from the couch I know it for a fact...I doubt he's the only one...

[@vuththiwattanathornkosithg5625]

Go to Tesla, SpaceX, Neurolink.😁

[@KandyGTV]

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