Rutger Bregman on Progressive Politics and Economics

[@fatdad64able]

Hats off to that fine lady from Africa who stood up and spoke out for people in "the richest country in the world" she spokeout fot people of which a good portion would call her "a commie". That's what's so sad here.

[@sa-iw4dr]

This guy understands the issues we face and how things work! His arguments hold true, and are well thought though and studied. He is a front runner in modern thinking and about being reasonable with solutions! Wish the audio was louder! Thanks.

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[@dylanblue2271]

Among many other fantastic insights, Rutger Bregman here points out the notion of 'keyworkers' long before Covid. Brilliant logical thinker.

[@Hawijack]

Millionaires run by billionaires! How clear and true that is.

[@jvcyt298]

I remember hearing somewhere in the "Star Trek" sci-fi mythos where it was explained how people gave up on the acquisition of wealth and turned to working towards the betterment of mankind as a whole and this became universal.

[@rajasmasala]

Star Trek are like Jesus, they're all a bunch of pinkos. #JesusIsAWitch

[@dystopiaeatsmoney]

Rojas-messilia. What’s a “pinko”?

[@rajasmasala]

@@dystopiaeatsmoney It's a term for peace-loving leftist I guess? Really not sure I know Code Pink, the anti-war outfit, has petitioned international election monitors (they're mainly CIA coup facilitators though so god knows what 4D chess they think they're playing at) regarding the election fraud in the Dem 2020 primaries where even the observable variance in exit polling flips 8% of the vote from Bernie to Biden or four times the coup-validation threshold.

[@pjpeace]

Napster (MP3’s), iTunes, iPads, holograms, CT scans, touch screens are just some of the innovations Star Trek has given us. Image if we were allowed time to be innovative and not stuck in bull $hit jobs because you need it for insurance?

[@carmenchantilly9049]

@@rajasmasala not possible he is on our team...but he is our friend

[@gottliebwurst]

Teachers of the Caribbean was my personal highlight 😅😅😅

[@gepmrk]

I love the way the Chairperson at Davos attempts to hide her discomfort - due to the unscheduled discussion of tax avoidance - by shuffling pieces of paper and trying to look busy.

[@nataliecampbell4132]

His idea of turning “pirates” into teachers and contributors of society reminds me of the class system that the Ancient Chinese had. Where although the Merchants were more wealthier there status within society was seen as less than to Farmers because farmers contributed more to societies well being than any merchants.

[@marsnz1002]

And unlike our modern society, actors and entertainers were considered the lowest class.

[@fatdad64able]

Well,......but historically this can be problematic as well. In Germany jews weren't allowed in the guilds and therefor started borrowing money and/or became merchants. You see what happened to them.

[@MartijnVos]

We definitely do not sufficiently appreciate the most essential jobs in our society. We saw it during the COVID lockdowns: the essential jobs are everybody in the food industry, healthcare, teachers, garbage disposal. They got nice applause from everybody, but they also had to risk their lives working during the worst lockdowns, because society would collapse without them. But we don't reward them for their essential contributions to society; these are some of the lowest paid, hardest working people whom we just expect to do it for the pride and glory. Meanwhile all the highly paid office workers could work from home, have less travel, get paid the same, but run much less risk of infection. And what's our contribution? Mostly optimising taxes for big companies, not producing anything of actual value. Pay the essential workers more, and the tax optimisers less.

[@imakemusique]

Great talk, lots of insights. One important point of feedback: ONE QUESTION AT A TIME. Thank you;)

[@ronachadwick7908]

Fantastic facilitator...so nice to see women picked to ask their question.

[@aviaja2008]

Rutger Bregman is right when he said that if people see the news a lot they learn what is wrong with society, what is wrong in the world, some people become cynical and wrong about humanity as results of the news. In my experience, most people know that the 'ordinary' people, the majority truly believe in the good of mankind and they believe that it is a minority that is cynical. Most people are good in my experience.

[@dinandbrocker9738]

Thank you, Rutger!

[@aaldrikbakker]

Who else is hearing Andrew Yang in his talking point! So excited that Yang adopts knowledge from Rutger! #Yang2020

[@Hawijack]

Accelerationist ,rampant poverty in the world’s richest country is destroying America.

[@ON-YT]

50:00 actually Canada has that now in Provences where there is no provincial carbon tax. The only problem is the largest polluters are except. Even despite that it brings in quite a lot of money for a lot of families after counting the cost of paying that tax.

[@hannamakela6989]

Taxes, taxes, taxes! Love and respect, Mr. Bregman!

[@ThePurpleCanadian]

We're working on a new political party that embodies these ideals. When we are in better shape, we would love to have Rutger Bregman speak to our growing grassroots base, and offer guidance as we evolve. (P)rogressive (U)topian (R)eform (P)rojects for a (L)iberated (E)arth

[@idigamstudios7463]

@Accelerationist Oh my god, you are all over the place here, go back to kiwifarms where you might actually be wanted.

[@Sara-xr9ph]

the interviewer should do stand up he has such good comedic timing lmaooo

[@2ONQ2]

He's from the Guardian, a newspaper that is now editorially controlled by MI5. That's real Comedy Gold.

[@_misschoi]

YES!

[@benjamesv]

Why the three questions at once? Rutger can hardly give a proper answer to each question. Please change to one question at a time next time

[@taiwanjohn]

I agree. I absolutely hate it when they take questions in groups. It ruins the flow.

[@stephenmcinerney9457]

Well the first question wasn't a question, it was a speech (whether policy change comes more from grassroots than policymakers), and kind of orthogonal to the topic, so they ignored it.

[@pipster1891]

It's not necessarily that people want the rich to pay MORE tax, it's that people want the rich to pay the tax they are SUPPOSED to pay by law.

[@RosesAndIvy]

Unfortunately, most of these corporations not paying taxes are legal. There are many legal loopholes that corporations hire lawyers whose sole task it is to seek out these loopholes.

[@troddenleper8915]

However, Republicans have hacked away at legislation all in an effort to make the rich pay less. So, if by law, they are still not paying their due share. A major tax reform should be in place.

[@fatdad64able]

You are correct. They'd still be rich if they paid much higher taxes.

[@rachelkarengreen99]

They should definitely also pay more taxes.

[@eheheh3263]

Don’t they skip paying the amount of taxes by law also??? They are taking advantage of the loopholes they have… so maybe there shouldn’t be any loopholes…

[@trollunion54]

First question at 47:00 was a statement (not a question) but very important (about decentralized governance via blockchain etc.). Bregman didnt seem to know much about it. Brilliant talk, but the future of the global society depends on our ability to address that woman's points better than Rutger did.

[@HeyCharlieBrown]

KZbin #AndrewYang he’s running on #UBI and has over 150 policy that will move the US forward in the 21st,

[@aljan5047]

#ProtestForUBI

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

$1000/mo. is a joke and would not be worth eliminating social programs for. UBI is the way forward but Yang's version was neolib bullshit that wouldn't get you anywhere in most cities. It'd be a backdoor to simply cut social spending, not improve society, because its net value to people would be negative.

[@aljan5047]

@@BigMikeMcBastard sorry it won't. So the unemployment benefits and stimulus check is BS as well. $1k won't hurt anyone. Will it hurt you?

[@engagementengagement8836]

@@BigMikeMcBastard yang never said he would eliminate all other welfare programs

[@ronachadwick7908]

Fabulous

[@AlexanderStone]

My question to Bregman: In raising taxes, how do you insure that a tyrannical rightwing gov't doesn't take those taxes and use it for beefing up the military industrial complex? Taxes are great, if a responsible gov't is in power, and terrifying when the opposite is true. What can be done to mitigate this concern?

[@michaelpeters364]

They already do... that's already happening... while social programs, education, protecting the environment... anything for the public good, has had their budgets cut, because supposedly we can't afford it... but we can if the rich pay their fair share.

[@AlexanderStone]

@@michaelpeters364 So.... what do we do about rightwing militarism? Ignore it? Great, the rich give us more money, Rightwingers increase military spending... am I missing something here, or is this logic flawed?

[@AlexanderStone]

I'll ask again, how does raising taxes help humanity when rightwing gov'ts use it for evil?

[@michaelpeters364]

@@AlexanderStone No, don't ignore it.... but not funding social programs or UBI because of worries of something that's already happened and continues to happen is foolish.

[@AlexanderStone]

@@michaelpeters364 Funding UBI while blowing up foreign countries is not acceptable. It is however very American. A pacifier of sorts.

[@Mr0611Thomas]

Fun drinking game: take a shot every time the presenter makes a movie reference

[@taiwanjohn]

Well, this was a fantastic chat right up until the guy said "let's take questions in groups of three". I fucking HATE that; it ruins the flow, and puts undue burden on the guest. PLEASE STOP IT!

[@philsarkol341]

the vision of the 21st century for the US and the rest of the world by Rutger Bregman...Rutger for president!!

[@dsciulli]

Yang gang 2020

[@HeyCharlieBrown]

21PROJECT 💯

[@samjoshi1812]

30:00 you can't just simplify this into 'taking from the poor' many rich people are rich because their business ideas are popular in the markets I would love if Rutger would actually address this question - how can you raise taxes without sending the rich into offshore loopholes? And how can we just dismiss every millionaire and billionaire as socially useless?

[@julianbinder2371]

don't let them lobby for tax rules that let them so that and than tax them where the product/ervice is sold

[@9000ck]

His smiling while Carlson berates him is a win for the ages. Love him for doing that. His final comment; 'in real life people are really nice' struck me as enormously privileged. Maybe people have been really nice to him in life. Good looking, young, intelligent educated white men generally have people being really nice to them. This is not the case for alot of people. For most people. If you are poor or have a disability or have a mental illness or even don't speak the dominant language people are not really nice you. People mostly ignore you and barely tolerate you.

[@wda65]

White young people are nice with each other, so are black old people among each other and disable people or poor people are not different among each other. So people are really nice and without a doubt when they need each other. Like families, communities, sports clubs, universities, etc. They are not so nice when the narrative of scarcity is brought up in one way or the other and that is the narrative the mighty and powerful keep on telling from generation to generation, so everybody (almost) believe it. In our countries the Netherlands and Belgium we are mostly nice people to mostly everybody because the narrative of scarcity is not so prevalent in our society. The tension rise whenever politics polarise some minorities and cut some funding to public projects. My take away is when scarcity is not a worry, people are not worrying and then most of the people are nice.

[@sebastianlenzlinger9291]

He speaks about crisis situations. The point is that people ARE mean atm. Because that’s what we expect. He referred to studies made about crisis situations and how people turned out to be helpful instead of selfish.

[@momishka7]

Rutger Bregman will you marry me?!? Help!! Get me out of here! #trappedinthemidwest

[@NATIONofGRIZZLAM]

The hardest part of this all is that...I totally agree with UBI, raising minimum wage, higher taxes on the wealthy, and curtailing the use of corporate and personal tax havens off shore. The saddest fact about our economic system is that billionaires are not going to allow any loss of their labor-less capital gains. They will do anything to win. An astronomically wealthy person I know ( great, very compassionate person btw) once told me personally that it doesn’t matter how much you raise the minimum wage or provide UBI to the public. It won’t happen overnight, but the influence of corporations (to provide returns their even more influential index funds that are partly invested in them) will simply raise the price of goods to avoid any financial impact to their bottom line and their shareholders. This is their responsibility to their shareholders under our current economic system in America. Sad but true.... still voting for Bernie though.

[@sa-iw4dr]

What do you want they already do stuff to get us to hate each other and create more suffering. The biggest fear they have is the 90% is going to demand their rights and tax these wealthy fairly!

[@clarkbowler157]

Then the UBI should be raised. The goal here is getting the idea in the door. It is a GREAT idea!

[@Reaper1947]

In the U.S. if we had reasonable priced Medicare for all, that alone would go a long way for the U.S...Then put a stop to rich foreigners bidding up real estate with their money laundering schemes. Then a $15.00 an hour minimum wage would be extraordinarily helpful. That's my 2 cents. TheReaper!

[@Maddie9185]

joeblackakareaper you’re doing better than most politicians.

[@sa-iw4dr]

That's just a start, you are missing a huge piece of evidence here that Rutger is pointing out and I have noticed too! That is the 1% is not paying their fair share! Those rich foreigners your talking about are created by the Capitalist Systems Around the world, so our Rich go to other countries and buy their lands! This Rich Capitalist's are making money hands over fist off of us the general populations and aren't being appropriately taxed in order to have a Sane and humane world! So are rich flied in their private jets to see this guy speak, don't kid your self they fear the 90 % demand they are taxed fairly! The wealthy rather give to charity that way they still have control over their money and people. Time for some change.

[@Reaper1947]

@@sa-iw4dr Just because I didn't mention it doesn't mean I don't see it. I was around and in business for the entire take over of the U.S. Government by Corporate America. All that said, workers need real representatives in unions and Washington. TheReaper!

[@poppykitsch9603]

Australia has a population of 26million and a GDP which is a third of of Californias. We have a minimum wage of $19-21 / hour depending on age.

[@sa-iw4dr]

If you kept up with inflation I think the minimum wage would work out to be even higher than 15.00 dollars per hour.

[@JohnnyRoseofVersailles]

Look I love Rutger and I love that he's making the rounds, but why isn't anyone inviting her to speak to?

[@russwilson2305]

Jonida Sanco -I never heard of her before today. Who is she?

[@peterschmidt7409]

My question is: when everyone gets a basic income of let's say, a thousand dollars, who would prevent the landlords and the rest of the influental rich guys, to raise our rent for a thousand dollars? Or the great companies like Nestlé or Mars to simple double or triple the price for bread and milk and stuff?

[@navatejavardhan8965]

I want to see a debate between Rutger Bregman and Ben Shapiro

[@HenrikWittenberg]

Ben Shapiro only debates college kids, not adults (watch his appearance on BBC with Andrew Neil). kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYmUqGOhaquAmbM

[@Skies133]

Ben Shapiro wouldn't let Rutger Bregman speak. Bregman isn't out to attack or on the defense but have an actual conversation.

[@codysteevis9536]

Ben Shapiro is not the good faithful debater he pretends to be. Don't be fooled by his demeanor. His "facts" aren't actually backed by any logic at all.

[@fofie64]

In real life people are very nice. This is true. It’s better to exchange point of vue for activism

[@veryfitting]

I was surprised that you didn't see many positive left wing Brexit visions. It's obvious to me, nationalisation is now possible when we vote for it and we can change our economy as we see fit. Look at Greece, look at the "level playing field" anti-nationalisation laws coming in. It makes sense, to a degree, to be excited about that!

[@ej-fo8pd]

What is that word “fair”?

[@nescius2]

what are you? extra-terrestrial? use a dictionary

[@samjoshi1812]

meritocracy

[@ludovic2431]

You should never have questions in clusters. You miss a lot of detail and you don't win time.

[@ludovic2431]

Why, because we need new ideas. At this very moment many governments are dealing with serious societal issues they do not have answers for. So change is essential and so you should not vote Conservative.

[@mikechaffee4331]

Borders are important because it provides alternatives instead of reverting to the lowest common denominator.

[@billthompson7072]

Weaving utopia takes generational continuity

[@carmenchantilly9049]

Tucker....I'm giving you a HEARING??? Uh, not an Interview? Uhmmmm....isn't that what courts do, what kind of power does he think he has?

[@andrewmay1171]

AH, those evil corporations! They are soooo evil, soooooooo evil they give money away to employees in exchange for nothing! (useless jobs)

[@sa-iw4dr]

Just remember they all have children that need incomes! Corporations, are run by a board of directors! When Capitalism have no constraints it will always see humans as robots and treat them as such! You sound like you are being sarcastic? If you are being Sarcastic you might be miss- understood? If you want to be miss understood then why bother? What Rutger says is correct!

[@michaelhiggins2562]

Tell the truth. You don't want to raise taxes. You want to take all the money rich people have and spend it on you give-away programs.

[@nescius2]

I guess most of us are really bad at inheriting massive amount of wealth.. those guys really deserve that because they did get born to a rich family.

[@robinlee232]

...but, today, March 2021, AOC has not been very helpful, in a "revolutionary" way.

[@andrewmay1171]

His critique of useless jobs in the private sector is laughable. First of all, a worker's opinion is obviously not a good objective metric, and second of all it's the "hideous corporations" paying, so he should be just happy those stupid businesses are giving money away to the so called woking class. Higher taxes on corporations? No need! Apparently that money transfer is already taking place in the form of paychecks for useless jobs... This guy is brilliant, really.

[@sa-iw4dr]

You can't get any more "Archie Bunker", and plain boring. Really you have no objective!

[@markvanderknoop131]

They don't give away money. They bay critics.

[@michaelhiggins2562]

Are these creeps still telling the "no potty breaks" lie?

[@uadpen]

If Rutger wrote with an honorable intention, or if deep down he was descent, not purely selfish, then his book would be free to download. It's not. Waste no time w/ "Best-selling Dutch Historian."

[@Boog1137]

Awe naive little Timmy doesnt get how a market functions

[@sampathkumar1010]

Pink ear?

[@frag_g]

Absolutely false. I worked in a poultry factory in the US. And that is not the case.

[@taand4725]

I know a Mexican who works a regular job, so Mexican drug cartels don't exist. See how stupid your argument sounds?

[@AlexExale]

There are employers who complain about their staffs bathroom breaks. Employers and business owners complain as the bathroom break is lost productivity. At it's worst they indeed do make workers shit their pants.

[@nescius2]

@@AlexExale we had this in one supermarket chain in my town, cashiers had to wear nappies, i stopped going there.. no thank you!

[@eavenlyjenstillman7034]

Interesting how comments get sent elsewhere lol This man is not a good man.

[@TheBiomedZed]

why do you think that?

[@glennevans5824]

He’s selling his book...doing appearances....so he’s looking to make as much as he can.....so he throws stones at Tucker......amazing...everyone follows the 💰💰💰💵💵💵

[@brawlinharry6461]

yeah, no. im pretty sure that he is promoting his book because he believes it to be important, not because he wants to make a buck. if that was the case, he wouldve chosen a different career...

[@sebastianlenzlinger9291]

You do realize he isn’t against capitalism, right? If anything he’s against neo-liberalism. He doesn’t say so explicitly. But in his book he makes a point out if the fact that UBI only works in a capitalist system.

[@pipster1891]

Give people $50 a week and it disincentivises them. Give corporations billions of dollars, it's necessary to keep the system from collapsing, though they only spend it on bonuses and share buybacks.

[@sebastianlenzlinger9291]

Virtually all studies say that you’re wrong about money disincentivizes people

[@dystopiaeatsmoney]

Next up...”The New Human Rights Movement“ by Peter Joseph