Rutger Bregman - “Utopia for Realists” and Big Ideas for an Equitable Economy | The Daily Show

Historian Rutger Bregman, whose speech at the Davos World Economic Forum went viral, explains why often-dismissed plans to correct inequality can actually work.
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[@ziemayet]

Ah , the guy who humiliated tucker carlson on his own show that it was never aired . And mentioned tax in front of rich people THIS is a savage beast

[@darnatorres3047]

Actually people are saying that he used profanity on Tucker's show and got irate and extremely mad when challenged.

[@azadmadhu9994]

@@darnatorres3047 If you watch the video, it was tucker who actually started using profanity and got upset

[@TrielaRhyfel]

@@darnatorres3047 uhhh he used profanity on a white supremacist, he must be so baaad

[@TrielaRhyfel]

@@darnatorres3047 something tells me you didnt hear the actual recording.

[@christelheadington1136]

@@darnatorres3047 -Ah.Trump's favorite source,"People are saying...."

[@Wielie0305]

1 year later Coronavirus came and look who’s working on the frontline. Certainly not the bankers, stockbrokers, hedgefundmanagers, etc. Sick system. Respect to the garbageman, policeman and the nurse in every country around the world.

[@selfishcapitalist3523]

It's the researchers, entrepreneurs, manufacturers, consultants, DOCTORS and analysts who are keeping us afloat.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

@@selfishcapitalist3523 nope

[@selfishcapitalist3523]

@@corneliusantonius3108 Yep. They are responsible for stocked shelves. They do the backend work.

[@knowun]

@@selfishcapitalist3523 I'm a construction worker, building an electrical system for a hospital. I understand that we are all necessary to keep the ship afloat. Some people seem to make it their business to poke holes in the hull though.

[@selfishcapitalist3523]

@@knowun 100% agreed

[@TheKiman2]

The Dutch are known to be blunt. And this guy is blunt. I love it.

[@ZgermanGuy.]

Yea love near.the dutch border we got that here to

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

They're also 'afraid to walk in the grass' as Marx would say. He's certainly not the average Dutch man.

[@thatdutchguy2882]

Direct. It's called Dutch directness, we are a logically critically independent thinking people and communicate like vulcans.

[@thatdutchguy2882]

@@thatyoutubechannel9953 He's actually typically Dutch.

[@thatdutchguy2882]

@Tim Grahn Jawn.

[@nkjassal]

Trevor Noahhhhhh... you need to bring this guy back. Let's see what he says about the essential workers now. He referred to them as "wealth creators".

[@SuperMoodyyy]

Put this through a smart translator decorrespondent.nl/11122/vergezichten-hoe-kan-de-wereld-er-na-corona-uitzien/427585290-2c7cf61d it’s his thoughts on how the world could look world after corona

[@mps397]

Im currently labeled under that whole essential worker thing. Honestly my furloughed neighbors are making more money than me sitting at home for pandemic reasons. Im not getting any extra incentive to be working other than its a job.

[@joelmartindominguez8273]

@@mps397 Hang in there mate! You are part of the people who make the world go round!

[@hurlydobbins8982]

People need to understand where the foundation of a nation rest. Further that the erected power structure exists for the people, due to the people. It is in a Nation's best of interest to see to the well being of it's people, to ensure security and an environment to flourish in to further bolster and enhance legacy. The US is explicitly divisive from meddling administrations and spheres of influence. The US coddles the grossly affluent. It turns a blind eye to the rot. The sanctity of office is defiled. Trust has been eroded. Minds culled and scattered to disuade a unified voice and vision, for it threatens exposure of the disingenuous. What possible, meaningful change can truly be hoped for when it is the system itself, the global network of multinational interest and exploitation, is the administer of said change?

[@lilsammich8252]

The wealth "creators" have gotten more wealthy during this crisis. Do you begin to see the plan now?

[@maxf6879]

I know people say this a lot, but it’s sad when a comedian is asking tougher questions than our news media

[@Gearmeshkutt]

Comedians make their money by shedding light on the ridiculousness of the status quo. The job of today's media is to distract you enough so that you don't question the status quo. They are millionaires paid by billionaires to keep you in your houses, work as they tell you to work, and buy what they tell you to buy. They divide you up and push you to rage at each other over the most trivial things. What did he tweet today? What shade of skin am I supposed to hate? Which liar am I supposed to defend? God forbid we collectively start asking meaningful questions. What would they do if we ever unified and called the people making decisions to account for what they have done?

[@snapgab]

Comedy actually has a lot of overlap with what journalism is supposed to be about, journalism is supposed to be about speaking truth to power, about holding the powerful accountable by shedding light on their activities. Comedy is very similar to that because comedy is often about making fun of the status quo, and the powerful tend to be the embodiment of the status quo, so the funniest jokes are often about the most powerful people.

[@Gearmeshkutt]

@@snapgab I agree with the statement of what journalism is "supposed to be". Most of the media has decided to cash in on division, sensationalism, and spewing the propaganda of the wealthy. The gap between what they should do and what they actually do seems to increase every day. They will spend days wringing their hands over the tweet of a fool. I don't see them investigating and making the lives of big pharma executives difficult by shedding light on them. Just one of the endless examples.

[@hc7417]

so true. just ask Jimmy Dore !

[@sh0werp0wer]

Lol, I don't think you've seen how Bregman is usually handled in the news media. He was on BBC just yesterday and it was literally just 3 people constantly trying to smear him to no end. Bregman is *not* the type who gets away with softball questions.

[@annegeorge5367]

Wow, we need historians like this involved in public policy in the U.S.

[@Ou8y2k2]

And scientists. Basically, people with brains and passion.

[@Yanaschaf]

Noam Chomsky for example. There are dozens of great talks and interviews with him on youtube.

[@cieslik7564]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKfPhnqPq7GaZtU

[@bornfree8073]

No we don't need politics in academic fields. If you believe so, then you are a moron

[@naiyoseam5654]

Just as long as they agree with me.

[@RhayaderGoesToTown]

I love this guy because he doesn't feel like a "TV personality", he's just a well spoken man that actually knows what he's talking about, and is not afraid to speak out. We need more people like Rutger. Be like Rutger!

[@SomeRandomGuy164]

If you listen to the Rudi en Freddie show you'll notice he's not that well spoken, but I get your sentiment. I often find his arguments awkwardly phrased and his logic making leaps and lacking in parts (in his book De Meeste Mensen Deugen he tries to repaint all of history in the light of 'people are actually decent' and even feels the need to discuss the Holocaust in this light, which obviously goes down horribly) but I do usually end up agreeing with the points he is trying to make. He certainly makes you think though which is really the best you can ask for from a popular historian/journalist. I think it is only healthy to have public figures that are not idolized nor demonized.

[@charlottevanlangevelde1114]

After an inspirational video people always say “we need more people like..” While instead they should say “I need to be more like..” We can only influence our own characters

[@tim3440]

Rutger is considered a lunatic in The Netherlands. Thats why we send him to you guys.

[@stadtjer689]

@@tim3440 idiot. That’s why his books are selling so much and he has won multiple prizes...

[@avinashreji60]

@@tim3440 judging from your comments you sound like the idiotic American political discourse that’s skewed so far to right relative to Europe

[@frostkiss2]

His book "Humankind" moved me deeply and changed a big part on how I look on people and problematic situations, how to handle them (basically not to expect the worst from humankind, we were conditions to think like that). It made me def more optimistic but also more frustrated because now I see how much cynicism has taken hold of us all.

[@virus-he4dq]

same here bro. That Book is #ucking awesome.

[@TheMindProjection]

I got through it regularily. Just to regain lost perspective. It's such a great read.

[@Mus4shi15]

Love this guy. Needs way more airtime.

[@ThierryVerhoeven]

Well, he was gonna be on Fox News, but then decided to pick a fight with Tucker Carlson... Not that I blame him for that.

[@dutchpy1]

Put him on Fox News. LOL. Trump might get a little share of common sense.....

[@poker4400]

Freedom Dividen, Single payer for all, fight Climate change, end Citizens United and replace GDP with a measurement that shows average wages, how the elderly are doing in retirement, education levels, mental health, healthcare, infrastructure ect. ANDREW YANG FOR PRESIDENT 2020.

[@MB-yg9vg]

@@ThierryVerhoeven as he should I think we are lacking bravery nowdays people need to stop trying to make things work with the GOP we tried it for decades not going anywhere we need to say it as it is it's common sense!

[@liesbethdevries4986]

@@ThierryVerhoeven Bregman exposed Tucker who then had a narcissistic injury. Know narcissism, know the pathology. Bregman knows how to expose these narcs.

[@venkatt0081]

Terrific segment Trevor...glad that u gave a platform for sanity...

[@Yanaschaf]

Absolutely. We need more people like Rutger on all platforms.

[@schloops8473]

Great job Trevor. He really got him to get his ideas out and his questions helped instead of hampering the flow.

[@avestagp]

We're already paying a lot of taxes and don't get any benefit. What makes you think raising taxes is gonna solve the problem? The issue right now is allocating the money to things that don't bring any value to people. We're spending so much on Wars, Foreign aid and black budget that we could solve a lot of education and health care issues

[@cathjj840]

A Avesta - He's not advocating that you, me and the rest of us working people, not even the still comfortable parts of the middle class, pay more taxes, but that the very, very rich pay Their Fair Share. Because as a historian, he knows that the riches of the rich are far greater proportionately than what they've been except for just before the 1929 crash. And in fact, through corporate welfare, military industrial complex spending and tax structures in their favor, those rich are actually collecting our taxes, much less contributing much if anything to the common good. While we get no proper return from what is pumped out of us.

[@michaels4123]

This guy is fuckin nuts, can't believe people this this is sane. He didn't even answer some of the questions.

[@lenmil8421]

Andrew Yang just interviewed him on his pod cast Yang Speaks. Brilliant conversation.

[@johanbelin2990]

A modern day hero. His unaired Tucker interview is hilarious and a must-see. A complete domination!

[@Heisenberg2K]

Yeah. He burnt Tucker with 3rd degree burns.

[@leoradenhartog9636]

If it's unaired, then where might I find it? (being from the Netherlands)

[@AGDinCA]

@@leoradenhartog9636 Hope you find this helpful... Here's the full interview between Rutger and Tucker ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJDRd3xoj8dqp6c And here's Tucker, trying (in vain) to do damage control... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYivfJh5bd-afbc

[@leoradenhartog9636]

@@AGDinCA Thank you so much, kind stranger!

[@Draperie]

And he was so cool while doing it

[@DjangoFett33]

Rutger was brilliant at davos.

[@idjles]

Listen to the whole thing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGavpXmkorWlq7c . in some ways Winnie Byanyima, the executive director of Oxfam, was even more savage and insightful.

[@aliciacastromartin]

That man has solid rock balls! Talked about rising taxes to the rich in Davos, told Tucker Carlson that he’s a millionaire paid by billionaires in his own show... #mynewhero

[@bigjohn6846]

Yeah the irony is he was talking to a millionaire when he was speaking to Trevor.

[@MariaPaulaTapia]

@@bigjohn6846 I may misunderstood what your saying. But if your implying Trevor is a millionaire than I don't think you understand how much money he actually makes.

[@michielvoetberg4634]

That is basic Dutch culture. Be direct and be precise, no dumbing it down, don't soften people up. Bring it to them as it is.

[@TheDaniefab]

@@MariaPaulaTapia Trevor is a millionaire. He just bought a new home in LA for around $20 million dollar.

[@patrickperez6791]

Trevor Noah is not a millionaire.

[@josjanssen6733]

Proud to be Dutch when i listen to this guy.

[@josjanssen6733]

@Jesse Veraert trots op je enge wereldbeeld ? Succes

[@ingec1736]

Jesse Veraert Haha, goed argument. Inhoudsvol. Zinvol. You go girl

[@jupiler]

@Jesse Veraert discussies zijn niet uw sterkste kant.

[@michaeltheunissen609]

Jy sal vir my verstaan al is ek van Suid Afrika maar ja, definitief! Rede om trots te wees verseker. Ek het die boek dadelik gekoop na hierdie onderhoud laas jaar. Terloops, ek het 'n maand in Utrecht spandeer laas jaar, baie mooi land wat julle het !

[@AndreasDelleske]

As a German, I envy you :)

[@margiecallahan3009]

I'm old, and I love Rutger, Andrew, Anand and anyone on the same page as they. To think I used to be a Republican who believed in Trickle Down Economics. They are not allowing anything to trickle down; it's all trickling up...to the elites, and has been for decades.

[@loreninavloggingcup]

Keep it up Margie.

[@Qrtuop]

In case anyone is interested - a lot of his points are based on David Graeber's books 'Debt: the first 5000 years' and 'The Utopia of Rules' (where he starts using the term "bullshit jobs"). Both excellent reads! Like so the titles spread!

[@seriousviewer5528]

Tell us more. My local independent bookseller does not have it in stock.

[@gazesalso645]

Sounds interesting, thanks!

[@clumsiii]

thanks Laura -- looking up Graeber now --

[@savioschronberg3036]

Heard about the book before. It’s on my list.

[@ryn2844]

Yes! And for those too lazy for books, this awesome speech by him is available on KZbin, very much worth the watch! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYuseoGOnax3mdU (David Graeber, debt: the first 5000 years)

[@glenbarrington2634]

As a conservative, and an "old white guy" my natural inclination is to reject these ideas. However, he presents his arguments in a logical, and non emotional manner. I like that. I'm gonna buy this book.

[@autohmae]

This might seem strange, but you should really watch a long video of presidential candidate Yang. For example: Andrew Yang Discusses the Automation of Labor & Universal Basic Income at SXSW 2019 He's an unusual candidate, but new ideas (or old ideas you might not know a lot about) are healthy !

[@glenbarrington2634]

@@autohmae I'm always open to logic and reason! It won't affect me, but in 30-50 years, my then adult grandchildren will have to face the real possibility of a HUGE number of people who are simply redundant, this is unavoidable, I suspect. They will have moral, spiritual, and legal issues we can only speculate about. I'm a big believer in reason and logic and would like to make a world future that will at least help them wrestle with these issues.

[@okkietrooy7941]

And as a conservative you can also engage in the discussion with arguments in a logical and non emotional manner. Than you will get the best end result.

[@autohmae]

@@glenbarrington2634 I don't know what the world is going to look like in a decade let alone anything else. But something (some suggest Universal Basic Income) would really help to take the edge off bad things that might happen to people and prevent worse.

[@christiangeiselmann]

Why do you put "old white guy" in quotation marks but not "conservative"?

[@marybirkholz4582]

The things he's saying here about what jobs work for wealth creation have pretty much been proven out by the pandemic. Pay attention world.

[@wasabij]

The countries with the most millionaires wants the help to get back to doing what they're doing. The French Revolution wasn't just about the kings.

[@luminatron]

They say history repeats itself, so in a way, historians are prophets.

[@shanonfernando1326]

@@luminatron Damn.. never thought of it that way. But now i realize that’s totally true

[@dthomas9230]

@@luminatron The 1st time history repeats itself is a tragedy, the 2nd time it is a farce - Marx

[@mysterytoe1452]

I think this interview with Rutger Bregman in March is why Trevor Noah was so open to Andrew Yang when he interviewed him in July.

[@lenmil8421]

Yang just interviewed him on his podcast Yang Speaks.

[@kynolkahn]

I really enjoyed that you gave this guy a platform. His ideas are refreshing.

[@maximeteppe7627]

these are faily old Ideas as he says himself, though. Which is a testament to the strength of the neoliberal influence around the world, and libertarian propaganda in the US.

[@JannaCR]

Is this actually refreshing in the US?

[@friendly1870]

Can't keep humanity asleep forever. People are waking up. So you know *they* are going to start a World War soon.

[@maximeteppe7627]

@@friendly1870 not sure if intentional, but sounds a lot like some anti semitic dog whistle. Have the triple parenthesis gone out of fashion, or are you just unaware of how your words can be interpreted?

[@friendly1870]

@@maximeteppe7627 I mean exactly what you see. If you are half as smart as you pretend you must realize this world isnt the way it is by chance.

[@manuelfeenstra]

Bregman uses language in such a way that ordinary people know watch going on , and what we can do to improve live for them.AOC does it the same way.....I love it.

[@hamishgaffaney5323]

And to think English is his second language

[@cathjj840]

(Just for info, Dutch is the foreign language that is closest to English. But Empire being what it is, The Dutch learn English easily and commonly, whereas Americans don't bother [learning Dutch ('s true, not much need) or even very much of the richness of English].

[@roseban5938]

What a great interview. I’m 17 now and I have always said that people’s views on jobs are strange. Yes, doctors and lawyers are vitally important. But so are the trash collectors and teachers, we can’t function without them. They are equally important.

[@kemueeel]

can't think of a better way to promote a book, respect

[@treppas]

Two great people talking about amazing ideas.

[@teuast]

tbh i'm just glad trevor gave bregman a platform, this sort of talk has been sorely lacking on this show in recent years

[@treppas]

@Zzzzeyd Everything is bullshit from a different perspective. It doesn't change a good conversation about a world that can exist.

[@alexanderlupi1716]

@@treppas only Bregman. Noah is nothing. An overrated comedian who is not even funny.

[@treppas]

@@alexanderlupi1716 and being an asshat greatly forwards the human narrative.

[@michaels4123]

Trevor has uncomfortable when bregman was talking about 90% taxes cause Trevor himself is rich as fuck.

[@mscbijles1256]

As a teacher and a Dutchman, I can only agree with Rutger! Such well laid out points.

[@tulp_graphics]

Hij is top!

[@aprilmason1616]

Dit is het eerste dat ik van hem zie. Ik zag zijn naam, en dacht; is dit niet een Nederlander? Wat cool. En later zegt hij dat hij uit Nederland komt en toen moest ik het wel verder kijken. Goed verhaal, tof wat hij doet! Ga meer van hem kijken en zijn boek op mijn lijst zetten:)

[@Johnjo85]

I find "dutchman" offensive, say dutchperson from now on, equality for all!

[@mscbijles1256]

@@Johnjo85 you're joking, right? If not, please let me identify as a man, as that's just what I am. A bit too much p.c. for my liking.

[@jontraz5993]

@@mscbijles1256 I think he was joking my dude

[@stevenfoster9402]

This may have been the most important interview Trevor Noah has ever done.

[@augustus331]

Definitely

[@shanonfernando1326]

Agreed

[@Timocoh]

Definitely

[@caderatliff3712]

Over a year late to this party, but ... what an awesome interview!

[@whatabouttheearth]

They feed him back into the news feed so people who missed it looked it up, causing a cybernetic feedback loop of sorts, where now you will get more relative videos.

[@krisnagokoel9397]

"It's not communism, It's common sense"

[@jasonbean1176]

I was recently disparaged as a communist for saying that I don't eat at Mickey D's. Life is strange..:)

[@catherinekibugi1731]

Yeah daaaah!!!😞😟😟

[@DavidCaddock]

Yeah no it's communism.

[@boostedonix3906]

@@DavidCaddock is this your follow up to economy's definition is logistics only? It takes a special kinda person who has the entirety of the human condition at his fingertips and still refuses to search for common definitions.

[@skeletonrowdie1768]

It's good we start making thais distinction clearly, even if it's only beneficial to the proponents.. It gives us a determined and clear goal as to what we are supporting

[@rosetucci6087]

Brilliant book and a brave outspoken man who will help the rest of us revolt.

[@mscbijles1256]

From the fringes to main stream!

[@rosetucci6087]

That's how education should work!@@mscbijles1256

[@methembethomastshuma9587]

communism doesnt work 😠😠

[@mscbijles1256]

@@methembethomastshuma9587 drop the "communism" claim and look at what's really going on. As he said, not communism but common sense. Minimum wages, some sort of health care system, other preventive and protective services. They're there to help ordinary people enjoy their lives. What's wrong with that?

[@drummertp12]

Hey Trevor you need to bring this dude beck sometime. I think hist perspective on things as a historian is really nice

[@JeanCFLG]

Didn't know Beck was an historian

[@drummertp12]

@@JeanCFLG a DUTCH historian

[@augustus331]

Yes. The rich have gained trillions in the last year, while more and more people are going hungry.

[@rachelloello]

I have been so distraught over how hard it is to live here in America. I almost checked out for good the other day. I no longer saw any point of trying to live if it was just going to continue to get worse. After listening to his view, and hearing him say, that we have to look to the future and have hope...this man just saved my life. I realize it's up to us to build the future we deserve. All of a sudden, I want tomorrow to be better and I believe it will be better. If I don't give up hope, and continue to work towards it. My Thanks to you Good Dutchman.💝

[@SuAva]

You're also welcome to come live here in the Netherlands any time

[@abetterwayblueprint225]

It will get better- we can all make it so- I'm 65 and I still believe I will see this in my lifetime- keep believing because the world need people like you who really care!

[@mandelajabril9677]

rachel wells please reach out to me! Like minded people need to unite. You are not alone. Instagram (@madeinjordans33)

[@misuchimiss1161]

@@SuAva EU makes it hard for Americans to immigrate there. Am I wrong?

[@lieselotte0209]

Snappingturtle 267 Have you ever been outside of the US?

[@vadergrd]

wow ... probably the most intersting guest Trevor Noah ever had. really insightfull !

[@JeremiahAdams2014]

Yes, other than Andrew Yang I'd agree.

[@Sullaban]

I might listen to this a second time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2fSgntpnKt6h6c&authuser=0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2jWo52kp6qqaKc&authuser=0

[@ftwallday3112]

Rutger Bregman is the best

[@ftwallday3112]

@Snappingturtle 267 💩

[@ftwallday3112]

@Snappingturtle 267 making the wealthy pay their taxes isn't socialism it's common sense. Socialism entails collective or workers ownership of the means of production.

[@avarmauk]

The Dutch directness is something the entire world needs to learn from, including me. The Dutch care about what is true, rather than who is right. If you say stupid shit, they’ll just say, that’s some stupid shit you just said. I love it.

[@annekekramer3835]

Yes, we absolutely do that. Included, but not limited to: your family, your boss, a random stranger on the street, etc.

[@nadominhoca]

Doesn't look like, as he was spilling some false information there, specially about the higher tax rates in 50's and 60's. NO ONE piad those high taxes. The rich found several LEGAL ways of avoiding paying those absurd rates.

[@lucase3047]

Unfortunately, that is not as rigidly true as it used to be anymore. Lots of retards believing all kinds of conspiracy q nonsense these days. The level has gone down....

[@tim3440]

Rutger is een outspoken communists... Its the same as Wolff...

[@dthomas9230]

@@nadominhoca But they didn't keep it and paid an average of 37% but their deductions built the Interstate Highways their trucks needed to deliver their own goods.

[@SushantKhare4]

He is slowly becoming my favorite person in the world.

[@kamengkundilya1808]

Bregman made me believe in the discipline of history again.

[@autohmae]

'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

[@Barrrt]

Yeah, he's like an "engaged historian" instead of the stereotypes who are just collecting dust along with their books. Could we make a word for the discipline of history that engages actively with current reality to help shape our views?

[@cathjj840]

Promote learning it, then, please. Only half as many people are studying history at universities these days (US).

[@kamengkundilya1808]

@@cathjj840 A lot of people are studying history in India but without an ounce of appreciation for it.

[@anxiousopossum]

@@Barrrt There sort of is a discipline for this type of history. I have a Master's degree in it myself, we are called "public historians" - people who specialize in history OUTSIDE of academia, history meant to benefit and be consumed by the public. It's a growing field that was once scoffed at by academic historians, who create a sort of bubble of knowledge that only is accessible in the walls of universities.

[@Gunman610]

Al Franken talked about this on the Howard Stern show when he was debating Scott Depace, when Depace said that poor people aren't job creators, to which Franken said, yes there are, by buying things. Rich people don't create jobs out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it to keep up with demand.

[@JulieDodgshon]

Thank you, I’ll look for it online. Two Men who are funny, outspoken & underrated for their brilliance! Funny (not) that Al Franken should be the one fired for harassing women! Al was a consistent supporter of Womans & LGBTQs Rights in the Senate! He was THE reason Jeff Sessions was not allowed to derail the Muller Report (not his fault it under-whelme). Al’s comedy character creation, Stuart Smalley, became a 12 Step Icon! I was able to find Sterns comedy (selected) funny in that his misogyny was at such a cartoonish level that it served as negative commentary on itself. I became a fan thru watching of his short lived 80s UHF dial TV series with spoofs like _ Howiewood Squares which was being (too) honest with its exploitation unlike ...

[@Sullaban]

Al Franken had a great comment about the poor creating jobs by buying things. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2fSgntpnKt6h6c&authuser=0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2jWo52kp6qqaKc&authuser=0

[@zurzakne-etra7069]

@@JulieDodgshon and to think that Joe biden, an actual predator is being allowed to be president, but al franken had to step down.

[@iamfodder1017]

and thus they are job creators. Never been hired by a poor person, how about you?

[@lemmon-up4er]

@@zurzakne-etra7069 liars

[@The_Bashar]

He is sooo measured in his speech, yet not boring, instead I wish his answers were longer!!

[@over-cn7qw]

"We want a higher basic income so we will block this because zero, zilch, nothing is better than a bit of money" Only rich politicians can come up with such flawless logic

[@alalalala57]

The statistics are right. Nothing is better than a bit of money. Its not simply a lack of education. Its not simply a lack of philanthropy. Its not lack of character. Its lack of money.

[@over-cn7qw]

@@alalalala57 you simply dont get it. even 50 bucks a months would help a lot of people

[@mariahclaar7915]

@@over-cn7qw You don't get it, $500 would help a lot more. Why settle for a hamburger from the dumpster when you can buy the meat and buns and make it at home...because you can afford to. I'd hold out for the 2nd option too.

[@randyjax09]

I can’t stop laughing at the photo of Rupert Murdoch reading Utopia for Realists. 😂😂😂

[@Barrrt]

I think it's awesome that he's read it and don't find it funny at all. We need people at the top like him to take note of these ideas. True innovation will come from the bottom up but it would help greatly if influencers like Murdoch enabled this instead of fighting it.

[@randyjax09]

Barrrrrt Initially I thought the same thing but he’s kind of a sociopath. A part of me feels like he’s just doing opposition research so that they can strategize a way to counter and discredit Rutger’s proposals over at Fox (since Tucker already went down in flames).

[@Barrrt]

@@randyjax09 I agree, that might be true. But discarding any positive intent beforehand is a wasted opportunity IMO. I just read an article about people from hategroups changing into loving people. People can change. But not if you keep shoving your worst judgements about their identity in their face. People become how you treat them. Let's treat our sociopath billionaire class like the people we'd want them to be, for we just might shape em a bit. Be kind and cautious. Count on the worst, aim for the best :-)

[@ttanizawa901]

Do you really think someone like Rupert Murdoch would even entertain these "radical" ideas? Go through his personal history rolodex and you might find some things that are bit...unsettling to say the least.

[@randyjax09]

T Tanizawa That’s pretty much what I was saying in my previous comment. I think he’s a sociopath just trying to brainstorm ways for Fox to spin rebuttals to those “radical” ideas. Ever the propagandists.

[@dawnadriana1764]

Intelligence. Honesty. Commonsense. Ethics. Like water in a drought, the thirst I have for this kind of discourse.

[@okkietrooy7941]

You could try to start a discussion like this in your own environment on a smaller scale. Yep, it is a discussion about ideas. That is fantastic. Maybe at the end his ideas are not implemented for a good reason. The discussion however it is still worth the effort. New ideas will emerge. These kind of discussions will ultimately lead to the best result for everyone and not only for the privileged few.

[@tim3440]

Rutger is een outspoken communists... Its the same as Wolff...

[@MeoWooff_01]

Murdoch is literally melting from reading the book

[@MrCoffeypaul]

Can't believe how ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT this is now with Corona?

[@NamisJC]

Haha u realy think people gonna star to think?

[@MrCoffeypaul]

@@NamisJC Why not? You are.

[@Wielie0305]

Jurica Jaranovic I am... and l am not alone, but are we powerful enough in this corrupted world

[@freelovedragon1417]

Guys got balls! Love it!

[@bobbymkd457]

R Owens and brains!

[@catherinekibugi1731]

R Owens I agree and his are mega BIG BALLS. ....Thanks Trevor please bring more of this young millenniums who say who don't B.S. about important issues & try to be all PC I'm from Africa but my most of my family lives in the U.S. studying and try to make ends meet so i have a keen interest in such conversations....thanks Trevor!!!

[@patrickperez6791]

Yes . The great Tony Montana has tought us alot.

[@ReadyMindsetGo]

This interview actually gave me goosebumps. Wow. Indeed there are a ton of ways we as a species can use our creative spirit to find solutions to the problems we're facing today and will face in the future. We do not need to depend on old, outdated and frankly conservative ways of thinking.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

Hear..hear! All these old way of thinking! Like religious zealotry, wars fought because racism, bigotry!, if those kind of funds and energy used for those waste of activity, use instead for efforts of income equality, educations, science research ...man, we've could already swims the vast space and deep seas. But what can you do, human are stupid.

[@ReadyMindsetGo]

You can work within your circle of influence to create change.

[@momova2593]

You should also read Bergman's new book. He is such a smart guy.

[@poldermaskerarmory8198]

De Meeste Mensen Deugen!

[@7slaper]

Very Dutch, and proud of him! (And Noah is great too).

[@filipkantura8467]

Very powerful stuff...hope in the future regained.

[@hamishgaffaney5323]

I agree with him, to get to that place we will have to fight extremely hard for it, as those who control the economic power will fight it till the bitter end

[@webstertippingpoint572]

The irish banker strike killed me. Great to hear that garbbage collectors are more important than the high-paying fancy white collars.

[@transient_]

Does that show how wealth should be re-distributed? Garbage collectors in mansions and bankers in tiny apartments? :)

[@sirhoovythesandvichdispens6309]

It does have a bias in it though. Rutger said that 85% of the money was inaccessible, but it is a common idea in banking that it will never occur that every customer of a bank takes off their money at once. So if 15% was still accessible, it would indeed not matter much if the bankers striked. If they went on a full strike, like 'noone gets their money', just like the garbagemen, who were like 'noone gets their garbage collected', then I would be interested in the consequences.

[@mandlerparr1]

@@sirhoovythesandvichdispens6309 The wealthy would feel the effect first, these days. Banker's don't really have an effect on most people's access to money. All my things are already set up automatically. Pay goes in automatically, bills paid the same way. A banker is only involved when they are trying to get something from me. If I need to go into a bank, a teller can do everything I need. The poor already have access to resources outside of banks. We have stores that cash our checks. Some jobs used to cash checks for their employees, and if push came to shove, they would go back to that. The poor who do use banks do so because it is a convenience and saves money if done right. But it is not a need. And the banks have only themselves to blame, since they decided that the money of the poor was no good to them. So, the only ones that would care would be the wealthy who need banks for massive loans, and thus need bankers. This is simplified, of course. The rich need the banks for a lot more than just massive loans.

[@rlud304]

@@mandlerparr1 Yes but there was no internet in the 1970s. Not applicable

[@mandlerparr1]

@@rlud304 That is why I was clarified 'these days.'

[@kristenduarte4661]

This book is absolutely fantastic! Buy it, read it, donate it to someone else and force them to do the same. We need this so bad.

[@LogixXtreme]

Seeing this as a Dutchman makes me proud to be Dutch

[@rozemarijnbalemans4561]

Ja ik ook! Very proud indeed! 👌

[@ryandiepstraten4323]

@Snappingturtle 267 what are you, genius? Do you write laws, have you studied the history of the world, do you fight for eradicating poverty? Or Are you just some person behind a keyboard who has nothing better to say than 'idiot' and 'socialists' to people that have ideas you don't like?

[@ryandiepstraten4323]

@Snappingturtle 267 what are the facts that totally debunk him then? Because it seems to me you have nothing to back it up.

[@rozemarijnbalemans4561]

@@ryandiepstraten4323 meneer Diepstraten, mag ik aanraden deze duidelijke idioot niet van aandacht te voorzien. Lost niks op. Is gewoon een conservatieve Amerikaan, lekker laten leven ;)

[@ryandiepstraten4323]

@@rozemarijnbalemans4561 got it 👍 Dankje!

[@chezefying]

I’m just amazed that this guy is so articulate and funny in a language that is not his native language. Proud of this fellow Dutchie. Great ideas!

[@minnievenkat]

Rutger, my man! Backing stuff up with facts and taking truth to power and echo chambers.

[@shrutivalluri8340]

This is why historians are important. So much to learn from our past.

[@claumonasterio]

Wow, the world needs more people like this guy!

[@drawer982]

Thank you Trevor for having Mr. Bergman on your show. I can't wait to buy Utopia for Realists!👍👍👍

[@MegaSaikat]

Strong ideas man...we need people like you

[@yvonnecampbell7036]

This is just Dutch honesty and common sense.......because it's true. That's normal in the Netherlands, "Hollandse nuchterheid".

[@jafranck9880]

@Snappingturtle 267 u a turtle, what do u know about society

[@Denz2799]

@Snappingturtle 267 needed for our democracy though. It's just needed for the balance

[@merry_christmas]

@petterhny Every Dutch "right wing" party is pretty center/left for American standards, because America politicized certain topics the Dutch reckon basic human rights (or "common sense" as Rutger states). Although parties indeed endlessly discuss the proportion of money going towards healthcare or education - abandoning your right to affordable healthcare or education is out of question. In America they're not even agreeing on that part.

[@kass1089]

"Protect the worker/employees not the jobs!" Mindblown

[@nancymesek]

This is what it’s like having conversations with the Dutch. Intelligent and able to speak sensibly. I love living in Nederland.

[@mojiokedara365]

Ja ik ook.

[@wayangwarrior]

Aaah dank u wel en fijn dat je ons zo fijne mensen vind Hahah every one has a little Dutch man inside Hahah groetjes uit Overijssel

[@seriousviewer5528]

Wonderful how many Europeans and even Russians speak English much better than people in the U.S.A.

[@jerrymiemarcus]

Well, try having a civil conversation with a PVV'er about Zwarte Piet, Guldens, refugees. We're not there yet unfortunately. Still too much emotion because of polarisation.

[@aprilmason1616]

Veel buitenlanders verwachten dat niet en dan krijg ik complimenten op mijn werk en bedankjes. Tis echt de normaalste zaak van de wereld voor mij:p

[@robotics4kids]

AOC and Rutger Bregman! I have hope for the world because of these two and more like them.

[@jontraz5993]

They represent our whole generation of young, informed people. LET'S DO THIS BERNIE 2020

[@brandonm949]

@Snappingturtle 267 Great argument. You must be proud.

[@brandonm949]

@RC Christian Or American capitalism is just depressing as hell. More and more people have to deal with rising costs but stagnant wages, depression and anxiety are on the rise, so-called "deaths of despair" are way up, and overall life expectancy has gone down the last 3 years. Productivity continues to go up, but we still work similar hours for similar pay, which means everyone is taking on a higher mental load every day than in the past and isn't being recognized for it. We need to get back to the 1960s philosophy of workers and businesses having an equal say when it comes to work policies.

[@TheCaptainKim]

All Dutch people speak perfect English. It's wonderful.

[@PEGGY18MAFIA]

Except van Gaal 😂

[@TheRainier280]

Excluding old people lol

[@Snekcneh12]

@@PEGGY18MAFIA Ahh yes, Van Gaal, that's another cookie.

[@FrodoBoschman]

Hahaha make that the cat wise!

[@MWorsa]

Pretty close anyway.

[@Samarpanrai94]

The way he aruges so bluntly and truthfully which is sometimes hurtful is the dutch way. I am non dutch student studying here in the Netherlands and I can tell you that our conversations are always on point. No bullshiting. If you do, you will be called out and corrected publicly.

[@radhwangothic]

Love this guy since the Tucker incident. Didn’t know he has a book. You gotta love historian since history repeats itself. Will buy the book for sure

[@datdoggiedanny]

I loved this interview and Bregman's ideas. What strikes me though is that Trevor finally asks what happens if we don't take these ideas seriously. Which irks me extremely, since yesterday the Daily Show had presidential candidate Andrew Yang as a guest, who has an entire policy page on his campaign website build around many of Rutger's ideologies. But TDS chose to make it a Ronnie Chieng bit where he just jokes about Andrew's race without letting him explain his ideas, his policies and plans. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that I had hoped that Andrew Yang had gotten an interview format similar to Rutger's. I think Ronnie is hilarious, but it needed to be more informational. Like this conversation with Bregman.

[@milaaquariosoulinc4994]

Political optics

[@tonymuhamad]

I thought this same thing, it was so damn disappointing they didn't even let Yang speak. But they gave Kamala Harris a full segment and plenty of time. Makes me wonder who s pulling the strings at TDS. maybe the bosses upstairs wont let them give Yang the official stamp of approval, so the staff are showing support for the policies by having Brahman explain them in detail after flashing Universal Basic Income in Yangs segment

[@peterslegers6121]

Here's a decent CBS interview with Andrew: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5bNlniCrr9krs0 And here's The Daily Show's topic with Andrew: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3umg3isZ6lqh8k

[@floris-janvandermeulen8054]

I'd LOVE to see Rutger and Andrew together on a talk show! Perhaps on Real Time with Bill Maher ?

[@philsarkol341]

Rutger is a hero..from my country the netherlands..where common sense is something the dutch hold high. I'm so glad to see him here being intervieuwed by Trevor Noah..two very smart people sitting at a table. I like the historical facts from wich Rutger Bregman is pointing at ..in order to give simple logic solutions=common sense.

[@sa-iw4dr]

Thank you Trevor Noah will you have this guy on again and again? This guy's a Hero!

[@lemonielala3080]

I'm a litte bit (aka madly) in love with Rutger actually ❤ The man is unapologetic and fearless 💪😍

[@k-paidmt602]

Thank you for having him on. I just bought his book (the Kindle edition) at dun, dun, daaaaaah....Amazon (oh, dear, perhaps just a little problematic, but there it is), thanks to this interview! He is living proof of the VALUE of HISTORY (and Geography, and the social sciences in general)! STEM subjects are great, but like everything else, they NEED a CONTEXT!

[@christerrence2110]

Wonderful interview, Roger Bregman was great in answering some great and helpful questions from Trevor. Amazing show, Cheers to both of these sensible men.

[@karenjenkins201]

"Who are the real wealth creators..." Oh that line just grabbed my heart. So true!

[@karenjenkins201]

@Snappingturtle 267 did you watch this or are you just being an opinionated little troll? Do I know you.... nah.

[@TheArtemis07]

Thank you so much for having this scholar on your show. I love his work, and I was very interested to hear what he had to say. Wonderful thank you so much for having Rutger Bregman on your show. I love his work, and I was very interested to hear what he has to say. He’s brilliant!!

[@sanesanyo]

Not surprised that a Dutch person did this. Dutchies are one of the most frankest people I have met in my life. Man got balls.

[@stevej.7926]

We have got to listen to our historians more.

[@AlwaysHereAndNow]

Word.

[@SuperManning11]

Now, as we start to think about how we will rebuild our economy, is the time to start taking these ideas seriously. Otherwise we will rebuild the same inequities that have been festering for years and ultimately holding back growth as the wealth gap gets wider and wider. We need to be smart rather than digging our political heels in to a system that has been broken for some time.

[@klarastern5597]

please watch the unaired interview with Tucker... it's here on youtube! And it would be VERY important for the usual Fox-viewer to see!

[@chezmoi42]

I just posted it for someone up above who said "People are saying" that it wasn't aired because he was offensive to Tucker. It should be posted everywhere. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJDRd3xoj8dqp6c

[@klarastern5597]

@@chezmoi42 yeah!:D

[@mehjones8008]

Here's the background: Carlson had read that he decried limousine liberals so he wanted him to do that on his show but Bregman turned it back around on Carlson and exposed that he is in fact a limousine conservative

[@chezmoi42]

@@mehjones8008 Thank you for that tidbit. I admire Bregman even more for his perspicacity.

[@klarastern5597]

@@mehjones8008 I have to say I'm a bit scared something might happen to him... people with a lot of money and power are getting more and more pissed.... but the good thing is, that you can't kill ideas. :)

[@d1nonly14ever3]

Rutger is awesome....hope he keeps speaking up and opening minds to better the world.

[@TdSj10]

Simply one of the best and important videos you can see online...

[@KairiHawkeye]

What a solid talk! Makes me ponder whether I might be dedicating plenty of my time ticking the list of a bullshit job... But, well, in a developing country, currently this is a position I should be thankful for, not loathe.

[@MyChevySonic]

The real threat of communism or socialism in failed countries was the dictators behind them, not the policies themselves. But leave it to conservatives to not be able to distinguish between them.

[@kevinpratt5436]

100+ million innocent lives needlessly lost but we'll get it right next time!

[@JL-xp9ne]

Your line is as smart as Rutgers line with "common sense not communism"

[@user3458]

that is a no true scotsman fallacy. No big fan of socialism. But the US could actualy look at the rest of the developed world and realize that social democracies help stabalizing the middle class. And preventing the poor of the need to become criminal.

[@thomasreno4613]

@@kevinpratt5436 it's not communism when this economic system was in America from 1950 to 1980. Top marginal tax rate was in between 60 percent to 90 percent.

[@AvatarFanUno]

Lol the first comment has always to be the "100 million dead"-conspiracy

[@compound26]

Wow.. a really good historian. Great video

[@yazminsmileyface]

This interview hits different in 2020/2021. We got a real time answer on who really are essential workers.

[@nedthumberland]

*We must make sure people like this, including Anand Giridharadas, have a louder voice in this world.*

[@paulk5706]

I’d love to see this guy debate Ben Shapiro

[@selfishcapitalist3523]

Me too

[@sabre-sevendelta6675]

It would go something like this..... Ben Shapiro would make a point that makes total sense based on FACTS, ......Rutger would get angry along with all the other left wing dems in the crowd, he would not know how to respond to Ben and claim "Ben's a racist!!!" The entire debate would be pathetic!

[@user-hp8hg2ix1b]

@@sabre-sevendelta6675 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIfMqaSshMh-bqc Yeeeeah, I don't think so.

[@Yondaime751]

Sprinkler/Irrigation Repair you up his talk with Tucker Carlson and tell me you still think that

[@zacotb]

Ben can only go after college kids, when he's faced with someone who knows what he's talking about he changes into an angry boy who talks fast.

[@usilifeofavietnerd7996]

Read the book. Love it so much. I wish Andrew Yang and this guy can sit down and converse.

[@fabiankehrer3645]

I guess you already watched it but they did on YangSpeaks. The Crystal Ball interview on the Forward party is also very interesting.

[@JimmyJames420]

Holy crap! I feel like I'm watching John Stewart's Daily Show! Finally, Trevor Noah showed up. This show had been barely tolerable for years, and it used to be the greatest outlet for information. Focus! Keep it up.

[@kass1089]

Please Trevor. Invite him to the daily social distancing show!

[@twTheivid]

Really glad you guys gave this man decent air time. I see too many shows giving important gusts way too little time. Kudos.

[@patrickmihajlovic4112]

Tbh..... I'm so proud to be european while enjoying this discussion !

[@patrickperez6791]

@@jerrymiemarcus what?????¿¿¿¿¿¿

[@boostav]

Sorry but there's no such thing as being European.

[@jontraz5993]

@@boostav yeah there is?

[@jontraz5993]

@Kathalijne Brinnosch and European.

[@jontraz5993]

So am I, brother!

[@AndereAlbert]

Best interview ever.

[@rolandvanderhilst7033]

If it ain’t Dutch, it ain’t much! Fascinating from the first till the last second. Trevor was clearly intellectual overwhelmed by Rutger. Trevor makes sometimes fun of the Dutch, but our Social system is so much better then the American one, that you can really ask yourself, who’s making fun of who?

[@tim3440]

Rutger is een outspoken communists... Its the same as Wolff...

[@sietsedegroot5198]

Proud to be Dutch

[@101nka]

Does your surname mean the big?

[@fullmetalprism5249]

Sietse de Groot you should 👍🏿

[@sietsedegroot5198]

@@101nka yes it does

[@101nka]

@@sietsedegroot5198I'm South African it's just like Afrikaans

[@stultsj25]

Andrew yang is running for president on these types of ideas. Highly recommend watching his videos

[@Social_Pugatory]

Justin Stults Actually Bernie is not Yang

[@dkylv]

Yang's "Freedom Dividend" and "Human Centered Capitalism" are exactly the policy proposals that we need. They address the problems that Rutger Bregman talks about in his book! Bregman's book is how I started researching UBI, and is a big part of the reason why I came to support Andrew Yang.

[@Social_Pugatory]

Dmitri Villanueva Did you miss other parts of the Book? Or read the other books? It doesn’t began and end at a UBI. Bernie has a robust plan that covers every base. Yang has UBI, that can be used as the libertarian dream to eliminate a social safety net. And on healthcare and everything else he has half-measures. Yang doesn’t go far enough. UBI would be a great addition to Bernie’s plans but not a single issue worth electing someone as president for.

[@dkylv]

Yang has 160+ policies, more detailed than Bernie's plans, outlined on his website.

[@Social_Pugatory]

Dmitri Villanueva Having a lot of policy plans means nothing if they’re mostly as trivial as getting rid of the penny. And half-measures of Bernies policy’s don’t count. That takes a huge chunk out of those 160 policies.

[@mgmthegrand]

This man is incredible. Love the way he took control of the conversation and completely changed the tone of the interview.

[@7CzofRhye]

Fascinating!! The real smart people can explain things in simple easy way. He is one of them! I am going to read his book!!!

[@TheSmreeder]

And ... Another point in history. Jimmy Carter tried to start the green new deal by Putting Solar Panels on the White House. Dropping the Thermostat to 64f in the winter and Calling for more Renewable Energy. When Reagan won he was so Pissed about Renewable Energy he pulled the plug on most , if not all projects and Ripped the Solar Panels off the roof.

[@lanitagrice7644]

TheSmreeder Reagan...Trump - bad things happen when men whose only claim to fame is bad movies and bad TV shows are elected to public office. Never could stand either one of them on the tube when they were supposed to be entertaining, could stand them even less when they entered the White House. Why do we elect stupid people to office? At least Richard Nixon had a good brain - he tried to get a basic income started to end poverty - but it tanked in the Senate twice because the GOP wanted to be stingy and the Democrats wanted to make basic income a realistic amount. Too bad.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

Reagan was awful, but "awful" is relative (cf. Trump).

[@aaldrikbakker]

As a Dutchie it's really weird to see him on this channel, because he is not getting much coverage here. His ideas are 'dumb' here of the right, while UBI is in a way a right policiy. I hope he will gain more attraction in Holland again and politicians will pick it up what Andrew is doing. Every country should get an UBI to make the WORLD GREAT! And, why aren't he and Yang talking to each other in a 2 hour long podcast. They can both talk for hours about this stuff. Let's make that happen!

[@catvisiontv855]

Andrew Yang supports UBI! Let's vote for him in the US!

[@DreamlessSkies]

This interview is what gives me hope.