Insane Ray Epps Debate w/ Conservative YouTuber

Destiny debates Ray Epps w/ Trump supporter DroneTek...
Date: 30 Dec, 2023
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00:00 Teaser / Intro
01:43 Ray Epps 60 minutes
16:14 Ray Epps is a fed?
38:29 Destiny debates Ray Epps w/ Dronetek
#destiny
#politics
#debate

[@destiny]

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[@wa-bu3ke]

Destiny speedrunning how to be bad faith as possible.

[@bradadult2075]

Destiny I haven’t heard you mention once the White House being stormed and Trump having to go to a bunker was that an attempted coup?

[@aflyingtoilet4946]

@@bradadult2075 ???????

[@bradadult2075]

Is Trump incompetent or an evil fascist genius? Or are you making the dumb take that he’s both lol

[@bradadult2075]

Didn’t democrats not subvert the election process because of Covid? When Trump called for the vote to stop being counted was than not when almost every prior election has ended? Since when did we not get results on election night?

[@thercs6601]

Literally every point this guy has is : “what about the democrats doing X, Y, & Z?” He literally refuses to engage with whether Trump did anything wrong, it’s always about the inherent unfairness of democrats doing similar things.

[@tommyhetrick]

he probably follows every conservative on twitter who cant't defend anything trump does so they have to pull out a butter emails or hunter biden

[@wheezer6695]

I mean... the democrats did a lot of cheating using the easily abusable mail-in voting system sooo Edit: And also the vote counters either being very tight lipped or "mishandling" votes

[@trashdoge1217]

​@@wheezer6695literally prove any of that i hear only theories of how its done but 0 Proof Mail in votes Help conservatives more anyways so what the hell Is your Point even ?

[@wheezer6695]

@@trashdoge1217 I just stated my point, throughout the voting process for the 2020 election there was myriads of ballets across the US that were fraudulent either being double votes, votes from dead people, and as I recall from illegals that were being counted, then later shown off more when people started doing recounts because things were a little fishy.

[@russell-gt1dy]

​@@trashdoge1217what are you smoking

[@AARon-fe1mo]

Every time he’s says “what about” he’s acknowledging what trump did was wrong.

[@Xetarine]

Using whataboutism like a tankie.... Every day I believe more that the horseshoe theory is real for the internet

[@Dronetek]

When you folks say "whataboutism" you're just trying to avoid consistent standards. Lefties set a precedent, then want to change the rules when it benefits them politically. That's why it's always, always different when you guys do it. Calling out the double standards is what you call whataboutism.

[@RadiantHealthForAll]

The problem with having a problem with whataboutism, which I mostly do have a problem with whataboutism, is that if one "side" gets to break laws with no repercussions then why should the other side have to face repercussions for doing the same thing?

[@MonoxideTF2]

@@Dronetek Not surprising the guy who argues in whataboutisms has this take on whataboutism. 😂

[@stephenguerra4031]

Calling out whataboutism is not a shied against hypocrisy.

[@906AKORN]

“So trump could be guilty?” Conservative “.. well one time when I was a kid me And my friend got arrested for a BB gun” 😂😂 holy smokes someone save us.

[@tambourinesmusicmachine]

This dude is hilarious. He takes super strong stances on a subject and chuckles when Destiny initially agrees, but then when given any sort of pushback he just goes, "Well, yeah...I guess those two things are very similar. BUT! What about--" It's like he's forming his opinions in real time

[@jloiben12]

Because he is. This dude came on here to roast Destiny but didn’t even know enough about what he is talking about. He even admitted this in the comment section of this video. Dude is here doubling down on his nonsense.

[@signoguns8501]

I guess thats a good thing tho. He's not totally committed to MAGA delusions. Just spent too long online and watching Fox news.

[@TheNewOption]

Plot twist: The conspiracy is that Ray Epps is actually a Trump/Proud Boys plant that intentionally drew attention to himself to shift blame away from Trump.

[@triknives]

The best part, is when he admits there is NOTHING that Trump can say even if he pleads guilty or says he lied that would convince him that Trump did anything wrong. Trump himself, could say it. And he would STILL find a way to be like "Nah". That's the delusion, that's the conspiracy.

[@donniejefferson9554]

​@signoguns8501 He is 100% committed to it. This is how the Trump stuff works. You know vague information (that is often not true) and just shout "But what about..." and eventually determine thar you are right when the person you are arguing with inevitably doesn't know the answer to something

[@therealrxo]

One of the most unintentionally funny, least self aware guys to come on in awhile. Feels like an old 2017 debate. Destiny had to literally hand hold him through his delusions.

[@uhok6712]

⁠@@-Trump2024-okay “trump 2024”. You’re def a high iq individual who isn’t just parroting the newest destiny talking point.

[@LiiRAE.]

@@-Trump2024- how about the part where he admits what trump did was an attempted coup? that was funny wasn't it?

[@therealrxo]

@@-Trump2024- I didnt know i had to explain the video to you lol. Its just the basic trope of a conservative going through literally every right-wing conspiracy that absolves them of responsibility to justify whatever conspiracy they are currently spouting off about, and then having to unpack each conspiracy individually to show that in no way their grand narrative could make sense because its literally all based off bullshit. basically like literally every other conversation with any trumptard 1.) hillarys emails 2.) russer investigation 3.)democrats complained about elections one time 4.) ray epps 5.)trump simultaneously had the right to do what he did on jan 6th but also was wrong if he knew about it 6.)trump didnt do anything 7.) okay maybe trump did something 8.) he did attempt a coup but he did nothing wrong and it was actually ray epps 9.)fuck this im leaving

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

​@@LiiRAE.Yeah so? It was the most based move Trump has done.

[@travelerfinder7840]

It's a repost debate edited with AI

[@iamdino0]

Ray Epps was standing next to Trump during the speech, whispering in his ear to tell everyone to go to the capitol

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

Try to look beneath the surface. Ray Epps told Ray Epps to do that.

[@Wallychans]

He’s on tape telling everybody to go in. Gaslight with exaggerations and sarcasm all you want... Meanwhile, “men are women and cops just hunt down blacks people” Right...? Lmao..

[@chrisdryer]

And sadly Ray Epps was not listened to by Trump so he went to do this before Trump stopped speaking.

[@daa5249]

That does not disprove whether or not he was / is a fed.

[@Wallychans]

@@daa5249 Destiny has a way of brainwashing his audience. They believe that by grabbing some low tier youtuber, and making them look silly in a debate, means the entire topic they were discussing is now dissected and can be labeled right or wrong. “Oh, some guy named Trumper2020 (whom nobody watches or knows) looked stupid when talking to Destiny, that must mean anybody supporting Donald Trump is an absolute idiot. Hahahaha” These are grown ass children we are dealing with...and it’s sad to watch Americans become so blindly tribal, honestly... Destiny milking their ignorance and stirring the pot for cash is just evil...

[@animagamer2]

This shit makes me sad man. I know we always say "It's a big problem that half the people in this country are living in entirely different realities" but it's really uncomfortable to be faced with it like this. Something needs to change because this shit is broken.

[@ChrisCoelho]

More people like destiny need to exist, sadly all the other streamers are just grifters he’s the only one putting in the work.

[@andrewfolsom3836]

Don't let them convince you that they're half the country. Remember that only about half of Americans vote and Republicans don't win the popular vote anymore. So these people are more like 1/4 of America at absolute most.

[@Kodiak42]

@@ChrisCoelhoif you think *all* other streamers are grifters, you’re nearly as conspiratorial as the dumbass being debated here

[@andrewross8584]

Here’s the trick. They don’t. It’s more sinister. And it’s pretty much an evil party

[@JJKillerElite]

Luckily it isn't half, it's about 25% and probably less than half that would actually put their asses on the line

[@thisisaname2250]

Whenever I hear any Trumper say "I'm open to being wrong", they 1000% never are. I don't even understand why they lie about being open minded.

[@brokenman58]

says the most closeminded people on the planet.

[@thisisaname2250]

@@brokenman58 good one dude. Wild that the party of racism, homophobia, bigotry and religion could ever say something like that. But go off. Daddy trump will surely win next time

[@jocksharerock7318]

@@brokenman58yes, we’re close minded to alternative realities. We don’t need Carlson to show us distractions with fireworks. Hunter S Thompson talked of Richard Nixon as being a badger, and the reason God created dachshunds. For all the bull$HiTTERS of January 6th, there’s a counter balance with Destiny. Painful when you’re on the side of alternative reality

[@marcuskissinger3842]

they don't know they're not open minded.

[@dagarbos]

They just say whatever they need to protect their ego at any given moment

[@xX5UP3RN00BXx]

I like how at 45:20 he says he's at a 7 on how much he agree with this and he's "open to being wrong" only to show in the next 3 hours,he absolutely will not change his mind regardless of evidence.

[@acason4]

Exactly.

[@puffdaddy69]

Guys like this will never concede, because their own ego is too large for it

[@acason4]

I think it's less the size of his ego (although definitely a factor) & more the fact that he's so tied to this belief, that if you refute it/point out all the glaring contradictions it's like the jenga piece that topples the entire tower & his cognitive bias just will not allow that. @@puffdaddy69

[@jocksharerock7318]

@xX5UP3RN00BXx Well said! Crazy when these guys don’t understand that it’s not a point/counterpoint situation. It’s reality, and they can’t accept it. Like there’s hordes of individuals that will be laughing at and mocking them for getting it wrong They sure want reality when medical teams are trying to help their ailments

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@puffdaddy69 There is a sunken cost fallacy going on with Trump where it's just too painful for these people to admit they may have gotten conned.

[@jloiben12]

Dronetek: Most people that were in the capitol were peacefully breaking the law. That’s not the argument you think it is

[@Dronetek]

The Democrat rioters over the course of 6 years broke many laws, yet Democrat DAs dropped charges.

[@jloiben12]

@@Dronetek Okay? Nice pivot. Want to say something relevant? Or do you think saying this totally different thing is bad somehow makes this specific thing acceptable? Because one thing being bad and another thing being bad doesn’t make the point you think it does, especially when you are agreeing with me

[@gratefulbear]

yah, after being peacefuly waved in was blm in the capitol that day?

[@ahopefor]

​@jloiben12 And he deleted his comment, what a terrible debater and coward of a man.

[@keys5595]

@@jloiben12💀 he deleted the comment

[@Lizard1582]

I like how the conversation starts with him having to admit there was more violent crime arrests than Destiny guessed.

[@ogolthorp]

Which just shows rioters were held accountable, no? Shouldn’t J6 rioters also be held accountable?

[@Lizard1582]

@ogolthorp dont know what you're saying. Im only talking about j6 rioters.

[@B-Nice]

Dronetek got that top 25 debate tactic of never answering or sticking to one question 👍🏽🏆

[@jenispizz2556]

Yeah, but did you consider that he has to do that because of Hillary's emails?

[@T-MoGaming]

Destiny was pretty biased here. Destiny- trump said voter machines are hacked Shows him democrats doing this Also destiny- they’re just saying the machines are sketchy. Hilary has used the words stolen election describing 2016. Sure I get it trump bad Biden good but that’s not really going to convince the Supreme Court he’s an insurgence

[@CynicalGear]

Kind of how destiny did the same thing, right.

[@JijonJang]

​@@CynicalGearNo

[@ukstevey]

Debating the conspiracy guys is so much more fun than the middle east debates, this guy walked back most of the talking points he made - hilarious.

[@garywebb2432]

cause debating conservatives on Jan 6th is like going back to level 1

[@Scrumshiz]

@@garywebb2432 He looked like just enough XP

[@ANTIStraussian]

​@@garywebb2432 has it happened jan 6th was changed from an attempt to stop Bidens coup of America to a party to say goodbye to Trump.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

​@@garywebb2432 you mean the most patriotic day in American history?

[@garywebb2432]

@@just_a_turtle_chad how so? please elaborate

[@oleholm9857]

This guy should be legally forced to Call destiny “Daddy” because of this regering he just received. That of course is not possible as Destiny is a girls name

[@LesterBrunt]

The guy saying that "this is how you get authoritarianism, by demonizing innocent trump supporters" has got to be the most absolute insane form of gaslighting. If somebody said that to me in person I would have lost it.

[@mariomurcia7509]

"this is how you ensure national socialist power, by demonizing inoccent supporters of the Reich"

[@knickson4796]

Why?

[@LesterBrunt]

@@knickson4796 What why? Maybe take the tiniest amount of effort to write down a couple of sentences to formulate an actual question if you are actually interested.

[@AintThatRich]

When trump supporters say they’re happy to be proved wrong.. 😂 you can never prove a trump supporter wrong because they shift reality, move goal posts and make shit up, until you’re 800 layers deep.

[@Spencerwalker21]

My gf did this to me I handed her my phone with the full quote on Hillary told Biden not to concede and told her to read it out loud she melted down saying you don't get tell me what I need to believe I have the freedom to lie and stormed off to play rune factory 5.

[@mindful_wander]

Yes. Delusion to the max

[@lavellelee5734]

​@@Spencerwalker21bullshit 😂

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@lavellelee5734 nope she did that

[@HamburgerHat1]

@@Spencerwalker21who gives a fuck about what Hillary Clinton thinks. She isn’t the president.

[@seiakari]

41:57 dronetek starting off with the dumbest possible argument "why do we care about all the people fucking shit up and not all the people being harmless". I don't know if I have the endurance for that level of stupid.

[@Dronetek]

All we heard for several years during Democrat riots is how mostly peaceful it was. Suddenly that standard is out the window when dealing with your political opponents.

[@taliker]

@@Dronetek It seems like you really hate when people deflect correct criticism with whataboutisms(which is indeed infuriating) yet it's basically all you do during the entire conversation. Just something to think about. :)

[@dizzleslaunsen2372]

@@Dronetekdo you guys even understand how many people have been arrested and charged after blm protests turned into riots or looting? I don’t know why yall always pretend nobody ever gets arrested at blm protests. It’s just bizarre. Not to mention you just choose not to believe things no matter what the facts say. That’s the fundamental issue with the maga cult…….just cherry picking and mental gymnastics can explain everything.

[@aflyingtoilet4946]

​@@Dronetekcan you engage with anything at all instead of saying, "but democrats"?

[@Dronetek]

That's how you all would like to operate, on your own set of standards while you hold your political opponents to standards that benefit you the most.​@@aflyingtoilet4946

[@MrJackBlackCat]

Genuinely one of the most frustrating debates I’ve heard in my life. Some people are just too far gone man

[@Spencerwalker21]

But what about obummer and shillary lib owned.

[@MikeTsBees]

I really feel like there's no point in debating. But then what do we do. If you don't disagree with them they assume you agree with them.

[@lilstevechan8427]

@@MikeTsBees That's why getting Trump off the ballot is probably for the best. The Republican party desperately needs a new direction and going full sunk-cost on Trump is not it.

[@devilmayclarify666]

@@MikeTsBees The point is the audience. Now we know more about Alex Jones' rationale, which could serve other things, like talking to Alex Jones fans who are on the fence. In fact, the debate may've put some fans more on the fence in the first place.

[@MikeTsBees]

@@devilmayclarify666 One of my close friends was at J6. If I showed him this I know it wouldn't change his mind at all. I feel like an interactive recreation of the event with time stamps would be the only way to lay this out for people. I was at Kenny space center and I feel like I could create something like some of their interactive displays that could show how the crowd moved and what Trump and law makers were doing at different times.

[@jazz2]

I love how all of these debates just devolve into "What about Hilary and the Dems" and Republicans explaining some grandeur conspiracy that has no evidence and only vibes to back it up.

[@awtodor]

They need something else to focus on because when you focus on Trump its absolute batshit. He blatantly attacked and tried to overturn our democracy. It can't be held up to even the smallest scrutiny.

[@debrabeck8191]

Yeah. You never want to talk about the real conspirators.

[@Sck519]

This guy is clearly working backwards from a conclusion he already has and he is really bad at it

[@ScuzzyForPrez]

All these people saying "take the Capitol" but no one saying where to take it.

[@phanomtaxskibididoodoo]

True! They were going to take it for trump but where were they going to take it? Where could Trump have possibly wanted it taken? We might never know.

[@datoxx7977]

Yeah! They must have meant "take the Capitol out to dinner"!

[@mr.needmoremhz4148]

@@datoxx7977 Talking about dinner, did they have logistics setup for food and stuff when they would have decided where it would be taken? Like if people are serious about doing something for multiple days, they bring food and set up a logistics chain, I think?

[@mr.needmoremhz4148]

​@@phanomtaxskibididoodoo like on flatbeds, that would actually be cool. Did you see that transport of the Levitated Mass (340 ton boulder)? How would they do it? These are the interesting conversations. I saw people move houses but the capitol? The dome alone weighs 4100 tons 😂

[@Raydie99]

This single handedly brought me back from the right wing abyss. Amazing 👏

[@Lizard1582]

Its funny how the Tucker's lost mail story implies it was some 200 iq infinite resourced espionage job but they couldn't be bothered to leave the box looking untampered enough to get past some random ups employee. But hey, conspiracy theorists are never lacking in their fanfic writing.

[@jenispizz2556]

Yeah, but have you considered... Hillary Clinton's emails?

[@MrNick-og4qm]

Didn’t Hilary have her aides physically break phones?

[@paradoxtheruler7596]

Like the fanfic the Russia hacked the election to make Hilary lose

[@rainmaker6261]

Stealing mail requires a 200 iq Infinite resourced espionage job? Wtf are you talking about

[@Lizard1582]

@rainmaker6261 It's called hyperbole. Lower the slider of difficulty as much as you want; it's easy to reseal a box.

[@garywebb2432]

The entire Jan 6th discourse is just 1 giant Patrick wallet meme psyop I'm calling it

[@Hooga89]

The real "insurrection" happened in July 2020 anyway, when the Joint Chiefs of Staff put out a statement saying they would refuse to follow any direct order from the President that tried to use military force to shut down the George Floyd riots.

[@jdjenk04]

It truly is. If you swapped Trumps name out with any present or past Democrat or even let the name remain anonymous, you could get ANY Trump supporter to call it a coup/un-American traitor/insurrection. For whatever reason, they will agree with every fact and premise but will never call it what it is.

[@CrowTCG]

I have my criticisms of Destiny, but damn, his super detail oriented style of debate with receipts and proof is almost exactly what you wish you had to reach for when your stupid uncle throws a new crazy curve ball at you in a conversation about politics.

[@mizel101]

My favorite part of this was when he was describing a time when he and his friend were disturbing the peace, got a "disturbing the peace" charge, and that's supposed to be a faliure of the justice system

[@T-MoGaming]

Except if you’re believing his story as fact then he didn’t disturb the peace his friend did and he stopped it

[@906AKORN]

@@T-MoGaming I did hear the story. They were clearly both involved. One was just the driver. An that’s coming from only his side. Either way his BB gun story was the most ridiculous analogy to trumps situations. This guy will tell himself anything to try An relate with An justify trump An his bs. All he had was deflection, false equivalence analogy’s, an what about ism. All to deflect An deny trump is ever wrong or guilty of anything.

[@T-MoGaming]

@@906AKORN are you involved if someone whips out a gun in your car and you stop them?

[@Dr_Clevins]

This is content. Every once in a while you want to watch a genuine debate in easy mode.

[@andrewvanderhoof2531]

Like watching the Yankees play against a little league baseball team lol

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

I saw the livestream Saturday. Destiny said no way anyone would defend Ashli Babbitt. However, he would be surprised (and disappointed) to learn that many Conservatives do defend her. They even started using the phrase “Say her name” in response to what happened to her, We talk about groups like BLM choosing the worst victims, but the sad truth is that Conservatives basically just said “Hold my MAGA hat” and choose even worse people to support when they learn the hard way.

[@whasian1487]

All I know about Babbit was she was a military veteran and a business owner who was the only person to die on Jan 6th after being shot by a capitol police officer while she was unarmed. What's else is there to it?

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@whasian1487 Ashli Babbit committed suicide by cop... arguably suicide by Trump to be honest. Basically she was amongst the protestors that were threatening to kill hte politicians on Jan 6th, attempting to break into their chambers. Ashli was very close to breaking in when an officer warned her to stop multiple times, she did not, and then she was shot dead.

[@Blexg]

⁠@@whasian1487she was attempting to break into the speakers lobby further into the capitol. Had capitol police let her through more people would’ve come through and had access to congresspeople and probably kill them. She’s just some idiot that tried to break into an area she wasn’t allowed to and got wasted

[@UnseenOct]

​@whasian1487 Maga wants to make her a martyr and say she was a victim of disproportionate police violence. But the truth is that she is a moron who "fucked around and found out" by climbing through a window in order to pass a barricaded door while a guard had a gun pointed at her

[@lydiawilder5996]

That she was leading the charge into the room where the electors were waiting, and that she initiated the attempt to break the window into the room, that she was the first to smash the window, that she was warned that deadly force would be used if she didn't retreat and chose to continue crawling through the window anyway.@@whasian1487

[@jloiben12]

Why is it the people who argue about Hillary’s email servers almost universally never actually know the facts or the relevant law

[@MonoxideTF2]

Because conservatives don’t read anything ever.

[@HomesteadDNA]

Because we know how the relevant law has been applied to others, and how it was not applied here. In other cases, they didnt just "Take someones word they didnt mean to do it" simply because they said so. Anyone who has had a clearance, knows that if you send classified info over the PUBLIC INTERNET, youre going to be charged. Regardless of you saying "I didnt mean to" after you did it.

[@HomesteadDNA]

Matter of fact, we have seen people charged with just having classified info in a locked closet with Secret Service watching over it.... but, not charged with it in a garage.... BOTH are bad, and what is worse is that there is CLEARLY no protocol to keep classified info in the white house. For ANY President. Which is the bigger insanity.

[@jloiben12]

@@HomesteadDNA Okay fine. I will use you to demonstrate the validity of what I said. What is/what are the relevant statute(s)?

[@Dronetek]

What facts didn't I know about? I knew more about it than destiny did.

[@edbartek6550]

He concedes every point and then says Hillary Clinton.

[@billsherman1565]

Most intelligent conservative lol

[@jonathantoast_2055]

It’s been a while since a smackdown like this happening on this channel. I missed the good old days

[@idkfa1000000]

an absolute banger to finish the year with

[@GodEnderX]

" he looks like a fed." yeah there were alot of former military and police officer's there that like to role play civil war in their free time.

[@daa5249]

He definitely looks like a fed given he couldn't buy a prison term after Jan 6th although he was clearly motivating people. There were people they didn't know even of the vandalism and break that were let in doors and they walked around and got long prison terms. In terms of Epps, he was onsite motivating people and no one wanted to arrest him although they did arrest someone whom wasn't onsite and gave him a 20 year or so year prison sentence claiming in whatever terms they used that he motivated it.

[@patrickd5274]

You know feds literally setup and were involved in the kidnapping attempt of a governor but you don’t think they would be at a planned protest? Big brain.

[@TonyCox1351]

@@daa5249wasn’t Nick Fuentes also on site and yelling through a bullhorn urging people to storm the capital? He didn’t do any time that I’m aware of

[@daa5249]

@@TonyCox1351 I'm not sure to be honest, it could be true, but Epps was in many videos.

[@blakeog2034]

@@daa5249you’re as delusional as the people saying Jan 6th was “antifa” lmfao

[@TheResidualEffect]

While these convos are entertaining, I can feel my brain decaying slowly listening to this.

[@ash12181987]

Every conservative debate I hear these day, is 2 hours of conservatives saying that Donald Trump is guilty, stupid, and incompetent.

[@monkeybudge]

This is what taking Tucker Carlson seriously produces

[@musicalmikey8887]

I asked my parents, "If the crowd got into the capital and was succesful*, and Donald Trump remained in power, would you have supported him?" And they, without any hesitation, say yes.

[@chrisdryer]

But they did stop the vote. That is why they were charge.

[@musicalmikey8887]

@@chrisdryer I suppose the second part of my statement, that being if Trump remained in power, was the more important part. ^.^ Should have been more clear.

[@chrisdryer]

@@musicalmikey8887 - huh. It's almost like they couldn't actually do that and didn't plan it and it was just a riot. Sorry your parents are dumb and undemocratic.

[@ihaveachihuahau]

Based as f.

[@namenome3680]

in what world you live.... they go into the capital and then what ? it automatically makes Trump president ? bruh

[@PresidentBelichick]

This deserves a debate debacle compilation

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

You’re coping if you don’t think they wouldn’t have flatlined Pence. That crowd would have screamed like the main act coming on stage if they saw him

[@PaulLovato]

It wouldn't have happened because it was all theater.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@PaulLovato don’t bullshit yourself. They beat cops, broke down windows, and shouted “Hang Pence”. When the crowd is crying for blood, fucking believe them

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@PaulLovato Mobs don't do theater very well.

[@PaulLovato]

What do you mean? Mobs are captured minds. Nothing happened other than boomers venting some emotional distress. It was perfect, the left got photo ops and the right got to play victims. Easy Hegelian dialectic, while the war party continues to fleece the masses. @@Bertinator-nm9ld

[@downsjmmyjones101]

​@@PaulLovato Mobs are known for their ability to stop and reflect on decisions.

[@ronin504]

Wow, this dude is twisting himself into knots to avoid giving Trump any accountability.

[@fento6054]

These conservative debates bring back old memories ngl

[@VC-th2yh]

Seriously! I’m so glad we’re starting a new MAGA dumb-fuck arc. So satisfying.

[@jordandomingue9310]

The rally was literally called “stop the steal” lol

[@Plainbear]

Claim Refute claim with proof Yeah but, here a new claim

[@TheCoolerFury]

August is gooning hard with this content.

[@adymatt334]

This guy is the absolute king of whataboutisms

[@GroudonsGame]

"Can you kill this guy for me?" Con KZbinr: "It's just a question! No attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder here! It didn't go past the question! What about the democrats tho?"

[@smokelord2002]

Man this guy is squiirrrrrmmmming in his answers. Hes doubling down but i think hes starting to see the truth to what he claims.

[@ladyvanda]

Content is so much better when it’s not about the thousandth close friend, family member or loyal pet betraying Destiny. ✔️

[@Impervious11]

I feel like Destiny was too defensive of Ray Epps. There's no reason to defend the guy or give him credit because he may have actually done some shitty things. Just juxtapose him against Trump (as Destiny also often did). That's the winning strategy IMO. Anything that they claim Ray Epps COULD do, they shouldn't be able to argue that Trump COULDN'T do.

[@benjisdad16]

1:09:21 admits Trump is an incompetent loser. Still wants Trump to be president.

[@mr.needmoremhz4148]

Sure, name someone competent that could win in the US? And I have no stake in your election outcome, but this is a broader problem in many countries. The same powerful families and groups and children off get in power, completely disconnected from the citizenry, nobody really likes them. It's just fascinating in the US it's on a whole other level the last decade. The sad part is most of your crap blows over since we live in the western US influence sphere and the same rhetoric is already used here.

[@trashdoge1217]

​@@mr.needmoremhz4148Biden literally avoided a recession and you want more competence

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@mr.needmoremhz4148 Well you could go with Trump who is uneducated on almost every political subject, or Biden, who has actually gotten both sides of the aisle to work together on bills and tackle all sorts of difficult tasks like the debt ceiling crisis.

[@mr.needmoremhz4148]

@@jackeagleeye3453 Okay fair trump didn't have many buddies I give you that 😂. Well, the debt thing that is more an administration thing I think, and the debt thing is probably the most divisive topic even in my country. I don't understand how governments can spend billions on non-economic incentives and claim to care about dept or inflation. I also think neither trump nor Biden comes up with most of the things or negotiate those types of things. But fair, if you are happy with Biden and improves your life, that's your guy. I think Trump comes over like a bully and has no political correctness, but I don't think he was so bad, maybe I'm wrong. But besides that, wouldn't Biden be better off retiring to enjoy the last few years of his life (same for trump, btw). That's one thing I noticed that he is deteriorating, either it's his age or something else.

[@Daren6111]

​@@trashdoge1217 not a Trump supporter, but wasn't the Federal Reserve responsible for that? Genuinely curious

[@Telperion16]

If you didn't catch this live PLEASE watch when they get to the Tucker Carlson part towards the end PLEASE DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR, that whole parts is a piece of art.

[@rampantdisorder]

Any link and timestamp?

[@Freerezervex]

? The video is time stamped lol​@@rampantdisorder

[@jtcali2086]

​@@rampantdisorder 2:40:11 is around the start. The Trumper cope is so hard I almost feel bad.

[@DaRkJoKeR77]

So January 6th wasn't an insurrection or really even a big deal in general, but we need Rey Epps as a scapegoat for the not big deal not insurrection!

[@jonglenister3268]

No, its- everything Alex Jones has been acused of doing, he did not do. Meanwhile ray eps is on video doing it and you guys defend it. Also its evidence of a dude, that we think is a fed, trying to encourage people to storm the capital and a bunch of actual trump supporters saying "no, we're not here to do that". Duh.

[@chrisdryer]

Well no Ray Epps was telling people to storm the capital before. That is evidence he planned this. He even bragged about orchestrating it and was at the first gate breach.

[@salbiase2117]

Invert that

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@salbiase2117 Ray Epps wasn't an insurrectionist, or even a big deal, but we needed January 6th to happen so that we could scapegoat him for that???

[@patmacrotch5611]

The main difference between Hilary and Trump and not sure why Destiny missed this point... Hillary's teams took every LEGAL route possible. When Trump was told by every court he lost he decided to take NON legal routes.

[@tpbenze5032]

I’m pretty sure he did say this especially when saying she conceded early. When he complained about hearings Destiny responded with that point, saying that was a legal method of contesting

[@michaelh878]

It is legal to delete emails claiming they are personal (when they aren't) when you are told by courts to hand them over?

[@tpbenze5032]

@@michaelh878 no, but there is no evidence that it was Hillary’s direction to do so. Also has nothing to do with contesting an election, so nice pivot

[@jek4837]

The entire Trump/Russia investigation was rife with corruption and illegal acts by the government, and it all started with the Steele Dossier funded by HRC.

[@Senpatriarch]

Tucker describing the normal SnD process of a Carrier is fucking hilarious to me and I don’t know why

[@cradio52]

Lmao starting off this “debate” by referring to the 2020 BLM protests as “the 2020 Democrat riots” is just… I mean… I can’t 😂

[@spreadthewordpolitics9092]

its true they were literally burning cities lmao

[@ThePurplemaneater]

@@spreadthewordpolitics9092 the contention is referring to them as "democrat riots" as though democrats organized them and not random groups of people who are disconnected from the government. Just like you're disconnected from reality.

[@Classikh]

@@ThePurplemaneaterIt’s funny cause the average Republican is closer to being a capitol stormer than a Democrat is closer to being a protest rioter.

[@froggaegodeath2855]

@@spreadthewordpolitics9092by burning cities you mean a target right.. 😂

[@spreadthewordpolitics9092]

@@froggaegodeath2855 No actually over a billion dollars worth of damage nationally... also alot small business with no insurance in their own communities... seems like a great idea

[@willbishop5754]

The bit that gets me is the claim that you can’t storm the capitol peacefully when Ray Epps “told someone” to storm it, but the shaman was storming the capitol he was doing it “non violently” and got a harsh sentence for it

[@epicpurevids]

its easy to understand if you use some logic. This man agreed to be the feds media puppet. He agreed for a lighter sentence and in return he would go on any media show they told him to go on and say exactly what they want. It's the most blatant thing I've ever seen, Destiny is too smart to be so blinded by the media's bias and obvious agenda. It blows my mind how Destiny just... ignores how the media seems to ignore insanely huge details of that day... it clearly wasn't a government insurrection, police were ordered to let these people into the capital lmao and riot squads/tear gas/ baton wielding police only showed up after they got what they wanted... anyone with a brain would know this type of security should have been on standby after the election at important spots in preparation of the obvious riots that were going to take place which the government had intel on weeks in advance. They let it happen so they could weaponize it, most clear shit I've ever seen, again how does Destiny not get it?

[@RolaiEckolo]

"It's only okay when my team does it!" - every Republican ever

[@jeffanderson1708]

Maybe too harsh of a sentence, but...was he given permission to go up to the podium on the Senate Floor?

[@ReIigionlsForIdiots]

@@jeffanderson1708 police literally calmly walked him around building showed him around and unlocked the door to the senate for him.

[@jeffanderson1708]

@@ReIigionlsForIdiots how do we know that that police wasn't a tr**p cultist and in on the insurrection?

[@jakeshuker8614]

You had me at "Pull Up Bar" hahaha

[@jackeagleeye3453]

For the Trump supporters that wonder why people refer to them as a cult, Dronetek is a great example of why that is the case.

[@redcityliberal716]

“It was in discovery.” What a great ending.

[@JaimeVillarreal-el6gp]

Destiny is way too good at this shit man, he deserves every dollar for being able to make people sound far stupider than they probably are. Bravo.

[@truefoodsociety312]

This wasn’t some scrub off the street. This guy claims to be like tucker Carlson…

[@Lou-Meatskavitch]

This dronetek guy made himself look dumb, Destiny didn't have to do anything for that to come out, lol.

[@dazza761]

there's a rea\son you aren't debating jan 6rs and destiny is .dunning kruger is a bitch dude.@@Lou-Meatskavitch

[@tiktokexposed898]

That guy made himself look dumb of were being honest tho

[@mohurst9063]

Agreed, I couldn't debate this guy because I couldn't catch all of his debate skills. Pivoting, what aboutisms, and cognitive dissonance. I wouldn't be able to debate it even if I knew all of the facts.

[@gokulnaththeboss08]

Damn this debate was painful to watch.that guy got road rolled over

[@Deathsinger99]

Bro got full combo’d in every regard ☠️

[@mindful_wander]

This was seriously amazing. To walk so deep into the rabbit hole, with someone who will endlessly do mental gymnastics to avoid the possibility that their whole web of views is founded on faulty logic, and NOT throw your hands up and just give up all hope is insanely impressive.

[@miikavuorio6925]

Epps should sue Carlson and Trump for defamation no? Seems like quite a clear cut case to me, why hasn't he done so

[@miikavuorio6925]

Upon quick googling he seems to be in the process of sueing Tucker Carlson, good

[@Dronetek]

Defamation? What is wrong with you people? He's literally on video telling people to storm the capital.

[@MrTuas]

Holy shit its the guy

[@anthonyhawk1118]

are you literally that stupid? hes on tape telling people to enter the capitol...

[@Sas-ym4gg]

@@Dronetekthe comment is not saying he doesn’t have responsibility for his actions. Its saying he shouldn’t let Trump pin it on him.

[@Decrystallizing]

A really good thing to bring up if people criticize the “storm” language supposedly used by Epps is that the term “the storm” had been used by Qanon supporters well before this point.

[@joja7211]

I was a little disappointed with how quickly you gave up on the last conservative call ins, but this conversation was fantastic! You were unbelievably patient, did a great job cutting off rambles, and kept the conversation to a few focused topics. Also recently you got into the habit of letting someone finish their ramble and then go "point by point", I think this worked great against red pill groups but made you come off a bit scitzo in these more political conversations. You avoided that tactic here and you came across incredibly grounded and the conversation flowed very smoothly. Love what you do and love seeing you figure out how to reach these Trump defenders.

[@theoverlord4863]

Dronetek: This is one of the topics I know the most about. That is very telling about how little he knows about any other topic 😂

[@ATHF346]

This guy moves goalposts like I move bowels, loosely and with no conviction

[@theropilane4812]

LMAOOOOO W comment

[@ramesj9161]

jeff-RAY EPPS-stein… pretty crazy right?

[@yamo511]

cool it with the antisemetisim

[@Xetarine]

sus

[@ElCatrinMuerto]

Footage of people being calm does not eliminate footage of people rioting. Thats like saying how could my client murder her, look at him strolling calmly through the store before and after.

[@robinvonsummer]

I admire Steven’s patience. This Jan 6 conspiracy is so brain dead…

[@Dronetek]

He's not going to bang you.

[@dontcensormebro3217]

The fact that Epps stated to go INTO the Capitol the night before 1/6 is a fact, not a conspiracy theory.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@lootbird He has debated lauren southern, rob, ctv, nick fuentez, any of the conservatives that used to hop on dylan's show. Who should he talk to for a "higher bar" of quality? They are all equally braindead on this matter. For tucker to have *any* arguments, they had to severely doctor footage.

[@TR13400]

​@@lootbird at some point you have to think maybe there's just no intelligent people who defend this nonsense?

[@TheBruce571]

Destiny just lies through the entire conversation.

[@Wickybizob1]

I love the super confidence of a large Trumple in an Arena were Destiny tests his theories, before the final boss. Like Dronetek is literally just a Rancor before Jabba the Jones fight.

[@CodyBlakeDay]

TIL barricades and cops apparently dont count as notifying ppl they're not supposed to be there

[@randybobandy9828]

Those barricades weren't at every entrance... The side where the old lady entered there wasn't any barricades

[@datoxx7977]

@@randybobandy9828 So? Should they have put up signs saying "Hey guys, please don't break in here"?

[@ihaveachihuahau]

TIL that cops moving barricades apparently leaves an imaginary line in place.

[@jek4837]

@codyblakeday Barricades and cops definitely do count. Now, what's your opinion for the people who were just let in by the cops?

[@kopekopekop]

Is he really saying that it’s more likely the government op was texting his nephew about his covert mission?

[@westingtyler2]

2:30:22 the moment destiny goes full DESTINY. 2:53:00 watching Destiny's brain become fried from this convo. 2:54:40 Destiny summarizes the situation.

[@JustChayse]

I hate that they say "THE MEDIA" does this or that. The media is a nebulous term that doesn't help in any way. "The media" is whatever the hell you want it to be. Whatever news you dont like to hear is the big spooky media.

[@leafonhead777]

There's a hundred things to say about this brain melting debate. But I think something that sums it all up nicely was when Dronetech said that the former chief of capital police said in his own words that jan 6 seemed like a set up. And then when he linked that quote it was a Tucker Carlson interview and Tucker Carlson was actually the one that said it seemed like a set up.. Very poetic, not sure what Tucker Carlson has done to the brains of conservatives, but this was a perfect moment that sort of says it all..

[@CynicalGear]

I think destiny’s motto would summit up better, which is it’s different when we do it.

[@bennettsnyder315]

When you really dig down on this stuff, so many of their arguments devolve into "Trump didn't intend to cause a coup, he's just really, really stupid, and that's why I support him"

[@Zachary-Daiquiri]

"Dude this is probably one topic I know most about" Destiny: "Ok, here's the revolver." "Oh, I never read this one" Scene.

[@AvWoN]

I have never seen someone get this dressed down before. He had absolutely nothing left. If this does not change someone's opinion on their narrative/world view then nothing will.

[@Dronetek]

In my defense I came totally unprepared and it went for way longer than I planned.

[@anthonyhawk1118]

@@aflyingtoilet4946 hes not whining and bitching lil bro.. are you 12?

[@aflyingtoilet4946]

@@anthonyhawk1118 what do you call making excuses after getting blown the fuck out? Especially after calling someone out on twitter for their lqck of knowledge

[@anthonyhawk1118]

@@aflyingtoilet4946 not crying or bitching.. you literally just said the word stupid

[@jloiben12]

@@Dronetek … I am bad at talking with a political commentator on their platform that’s why I got absolutely hoodwinked. If that’s what you want to go with that’s fine but that is even more embarrassing

[@pocpic]

1:45:40 this is so infuriating. Like whether someone was negligent, reckless or malicious is such a basic thing that a court has to do decide in a criminal case. But since we can't 100% prove someone's state of mind, we might as well treat every homicide as involuntary manslaughter.

[@eppinizer]

You might as well bring Rob back, at least he was well read and engaged, for the most part, with the debate. This is just embarrassing.

[@MrMctastics]

Still waiting for the Rob Noer Omniliberal arc

[@asapuptown156]

i think destiny gave this guy an existential crisis

[@bloink3511]

This is the kind of content I missed. The lav arc, then subsequent red pill arc really took it outta me

[@ejkmadman27]

It's gonna be a fun new year

[@beriznak]

The first 30 minutes of this video is one of the most entertaining segments destiny's covered in a while

[@lotusmilano]

Having watched this in real time when it happened, its fucking wild to me any person would debate the intention of the "protest" 3 years later

[@Ectomesoendo]

Destiny just crushing this kid with logic and knowledge. Poor bastard. Could not have gone worse. Not one single good point made.

[@harlycorner]

For many days before January 6th, I was lurking around on Parler. Most of that I could see was people talking about storming the Capitol. I saw so many threats of violence that this came to me as a surprise that nobody was prepared when things actually started happening. I was actually trying to call for peace and I was swarmed by crazy mega lunatics. In addition to that I was on many telegram channels, Are you indeed a 24-hour live stream from telegram channels to show what was happening real time.

[@anthonyhawk1118]

sure you did

[@gratefulbear]

was blm in the riot that day on jan6?

[@demikava6663]

ya@@gratefulbear

[@jackeagleeye3453]

I checked out one of Trump's websites too prior to Jan 6th as well as on it. They were marketing it as a "1776" type of moment, and implying many of them would die. I distinctly remember members there saying not to bring children as they could potentially die too.

[@gratefulbear]

was told previouscomment violated tos so is dsetney doing a serious deep dibe or not? smh 0 comments seem to be honest ingines@@mastermobius1084

[@slibbs2869]

The fact that he’s so positive Ray Epps was orchestrating January 6th while completely ignoring everything Trump said

[@menkaragamble8175]

*see edit* This moment at 2:53:53 reminds me of a certain quote about how dishonest actors act: "They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." -From Jean-Paul Sartre, "Anti Semite and Jew" first published in 1946 *edit* Watching it over a few times, I think it's possible the guy's tone was more expressing annoyance/hurt that Destiny insulted him by saying "you can't be a real person". I know we shouldn't treat people that disagree with us as evil/bad faith without good evidence, but as someone who argues with relatives who do a similar disengagement tactic when they have no response, it's really frustrating to see this.

[@FatherManus]

Never heard of Ray Epps before reading the title.

[@jaerys8823]

Then the media, the swamp did a good job on you sheeps

[@akiko2096]

Yeah when you only watch CNN why would you hear about him

[@MasteRgamer-mk5bp]

@@akiko2096 ohhh epic own by akikohayami2096

[@3br1ce7]

@@MasteRgamer-mk5bpbrutal cooking for his fake news !

[@yamo511]

that's terribly sad

[@Solidus__]

I can't believe I made it through this entire video. Happy New Year everyone.

[@Hebrews_412_KJV]

People spent the last 7-8 years defending Trump(a politician) and without a doubt will spend the rest of their life doing just that. What a waste of life!

[@genericusername4039]

This was an incredible conversation. Massive respect.

[@Notnameworthy]

I love how many times you can hear him kind of pause for a sec to battle with his cognitive dissonance after conceding points that should completely defeat his argument. But of course he loses that battle every time.

[@timmni]

I have so much respect for Mike Pence upholding the vote and not succumbing to the threats... An actual Gigachad

[@yamo511]

more like actual uniparty stooge

[@DoubleCheekedUp00]

Eh Mike Pence consulted a lawyer on whether he could do it or not. He only didn't bcuz the lawyer told him he couldn't get away with it. He was willing to help Trump in several other ways and did. Ntm not overturning our democracy is the bare minimum of his oath to his position. Not something that deserves praise.

[@anthonyhawk1118]

are you 12? lol

[@galacticmonarchy1546]

​@@anthonyhawk1118Dude Mike Pence didn't sacrifice a child for donald trump in the senate, actual gigachad bro !

[@TonyCox1351]

@@DoubleCheekedUp00got a source for that? I don’t buy that Pence would have done it anyway. Pence may be a Christian lunatic but he seemed completely fed up with Trump’s shit by the end and no interest in installing him as king

[@s0xfan04]

The ending is the best. I don’t think the guy knew he is still believing in a demonstrably proven lie

[@jamesmontalbano]

"Trump said 'peacefully' one solitary time and that makes him innocent of everything forever and ever"

[@MAX_BRENDO]

Nobody said that. And that is factually incorrect. This is a strange man and red herring.

[@jamesmontalbano]

@@MAX_BRENDO it’s literally what Trumpers say routinely. Not that exact quote but the genuinely and without any irony or self awareness repeatedly say that Trump’s *one* utterance of “peacefully” means he’s off the hook for the riot. It’s disgusting frankly

[@MAX_BRENDO]

@jamesmontalbano that is literally absurd. It is one of the many reasons they give. It may be one of the major reasons but it is bias to state its the only one. And anyone with any objectivelty can see you are bias. And it's not the utterance of the word peacefully. It's in the context of him saying to peacefully and patriotically protest which is a guarded civil right of the first amendment. See how disingenuous you are? Now that's disgusting.

[@jamesmontalbano]

Yes I agree it's absurd that people think that Trump's single, lone utterance of the word "Peacefully" at the end of a speech somehow makes him completely innocent of everything to do with the riot he caused by lying about the election for months and whipping his psycho cult up into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy by claiming their country was being stolen from them and that they should "be wild"@@MAX_BRENDO

[@MAX_BRENDO]

@@jamesmontalbano @jamesmontalbano ¢ 10 hours ago Another fact-free criticism, the exact thing Destiny was talking about Hypocrisy at its finest.