Insanely Heated Debate vs Glenn Greenwald

[@destiny]

Expert Analyst Challenges Destiny, Gets Basic Facts Wrong ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/g57NqIh3j9CFiZo

[@tnndll4294]

Wish Destiny would limit debates with crazy people like Greenwald & Alex Jones.

[@mikelivingood7797]

So Destiny when had a debate where he was supposed to prove J6th was an insurrection, says the protesters do not matter. Trump sending fake electors was a coup. I listened to everyone's opening statements no one said coup, everyone said insurrection. This is called moving the goalposts which is a debating tactic when you do not have a strong argument. If the facts are against you, argue the law, if the law is against you argue the facts, if the facts and law are against you pound the table and yell like hell. This is Destiny's pound the table and yell like hell video.

[@angeltonny1746]

😂4rfxrgv

[@gregor9189]

@@tnndll4294 Destiny is the crazy one pal.

[@groverrogers6916]

​@@gregor9189after watching this I realized how out of touch with reality Destiny is.

[@darkmatchsteve9963]

It’s hard to understand both sides without Alex Jones screaming

[@TheBadGab]

"-MRNA VACCINES!! -GLOBAL WARMING!!!" Already a classic

[@KennedyIvy]

I just opened a new tab with Alex screaming while I listened to this debate. Makes it easier

[@Pemmican1871]

@@KennedyIvy I have it opened for 24 hours every day. Makes life easier

[@bash555]

I got to have Alex screaming in the background to orgasm with my wife

[@Deathwhitch]

That fact that Jones unintentionaly keep Glen from talking makes him an accidental hero. True patriot. I'm gonna go buy his video game now

[@joebe123]

" there weren't thousands, there were only two thousand" -- Glenn Greenwald 2024

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Two thousand peaceful protesters

[@DeliveringSolutions]

No, from the snippet at the beginning, of which we don't see the entire context, Greenwald was just stating that Destiny had said that there were not more than 2 thousand people in the capitol building. But for real, until we see the entire part of that conversation, I think it is not wise to quote something without first seeing the entire point.... i.e. I'm giving Greenwald the benefit of the doubt. If you have ever watched Greenwald debate before, he is very articulate and does his research. The first part of this video is Destiny replaying clips of the 2 hour and 51 minute video and he knows his audience will not likely watch the entire thing. It's wise for Destiny to put clips at the beginning to make it look like he dominated the debate. The proof is in the pudding. I can't say more until I watch it. The video was just uploaded twenty something minutes ago....

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@Just_a_turtle_chadProtestors might be too harsh. A slightly peeved group is what I'd call em

[@chandlers6778]

@@DeliveringSolutions you said a lot so

[@100AcreWoodz1]

Bro. Imagine if 2000 people were outside glenns house throwing dookie at his windows and the police cheif waited 3 hours to do something about it

[@lukewithann7256]

I felt like Destiny was real close to playing the piano on this one lol

[@odeode4338]

I love when he does that.😂

[@aliendesign2023]

He plays the piano when he's getting owned. He should play funeral music. When someone is forced to scream and yell in a debate that typically means trying to cope with your weak argument. Right, libtards?

[@aliendesign2023]

@@kainoizking Got anymore libtard clichés to throw into the mix? or are you just going to stick with "copium?" When all else fails you can always pull out the race card. "Ya, that'll get'm on your side" 😂

[@MADDcartman]

As a Destiny Stan, I think he acted a bit extra. He’s usually the one that takes the high road and only slings mud once the other has but he constantly ad hom and interrupted.

[@groverrogers6916]

​@@MADDcartmandestiny has TDS

[@Notorious1441]

"Submitting fraudulent electors is okay if you're trying to buy time to find evidence of a fraudulent election." - Glenn Greenwald 2024

[@1vigorousdragon]

Your Democrat mates have done it over and over again

[@SubvertTheState]

I mean, it was fraudulent. The city I lived in took in all of the mail-in ballots which were late and post-marked them as on time. There was actually no way to even segregate late ballots from the others. That's what a Post Worker whistleblower revealed in my town Erie, PA. Now was that same tactic used on A NATIONAL LEVEL? No. That's why everyone had the same line. "No CREDIBLE EVIDENCE of WIDESPREAD, VOTER fraud." Why not say there was "No Known fraudulent activity in the election process". Because we are still finding pallets of Republican ballots in the f8cking woods under a bridge or half burned somewhere. I didn't even vote for Trump, I just have eyes.

[@derekc423]

nope. certification of the electors has literally never been illegally delayed before.@@1vigorousdragon

[@stevenmoffatt1423]

@@1vigorousdragon What election was that? Or are you one of those “all elections are rigged” folk

[@HarleyMeseekes420]

@@1vigorousdragonwhen?

[@twocheezitz9182]

Who else is happy to be watching destiny debating more popular people

[@maluminse6013]

Destiny is obviously trying to raise his profile by debating intelligent and celebrated opponents rather than the ignorant twitch callers that he's accustomed to debating. Big mistake for the soy boy. Glenn Greenwald is miles out of Steve's league.

[@cptcanton8203]

...and get owned. It looks like Destiny is hoping that people will compare him to the intellectual giant of Glen Greenwald.

[@maluminse6013]

@@cptcanton8203 💯

[@juliusb8242]

@@cptcanton8203 what did he get owned on?

[@xJDMWaRRi0Rx]

@@juliusb8242well I’m listening to it right now and specifically on the point of the jan 6th tapes, destiny is crying that Glen is talking about whatever Tucker Carlson released in his 30 minute report. When in fact, Glenn is talking about the full unedited footage from the entire event that were released by Mike Johnson

[@Gumsley86]

Glenn's argument can be summed up as follows: "yeah, but it wasn't that bad".

[@Rem_NL]

Destiny got destroyed, by Destiny..

[@robertotrevino1796]

@@Rem_NLso far destiny is showing that commune sense runs on the Dems side

[@Choscura]

"wasn't that bad" in a "technically not a coup by the president or an insurrection by his followers" sense, which is important, and also, he had more good points about "the way you go after bad guys isn't by being a worse bad guy" about the known bad behavior of law enforcement going after these idiots

[@taLLdavid33]

​@@robertotrevino1796yea the people who dont know what a woman is have common sense on their side riiight

[@akselandor8975]

Quite literally.

[@imaginaryfanboy]

This is the world Pisco wants.

[@leeammagno2393]

I'm glad I can now steal a blade of intellectual property grass

[@shanecorrigan8524]

What the fuck is a pisco

[@LoudWaffle]

@@shanecorrigan8524 It's a company responsible for the production and delivery of consumer-grade piss.

[@roymarshall_]

@@LoudWaffle hot

[@amplifier515]

@@shanecorrigan8524Pisco is a spirit from Chile and Peru made from fermented grapes. Delicious when prepared as a “Pisco Sour” or mixed with Coke (“piscola”).

[@tjbes]

Wow, Glen Greenwald could go to the Olympics with all the mental gymnastics he’s doing.

[@jdarmin]

and Destiny must be the Larry Nassar of those gymnastics given how hard he f*cked Greenwald

[@GeorgeSavrille]

"I will immediately contest all these points..." *Doesn't contest any of the points and rambles instead*

[@phoenixfire8226]

as destiny is wont to do.

[@note4note804]

Glenn saying an insurrection isn't an insurrection unless you used everything available to you to do it is like saying that you can't be charged with attempted murder by failing to poison someone when you own a gun.

[@TotalWater-d2o]

He's saying Donald Trump's actions objectively dont constitute incitement because he didnt actually encourage anyone to illegally enter the capital ; we dont retroactively define things as incitement based on how other people subjectively interpret what is said. He's saying Jan 6th wasnt an insurrection because the overwhelming majority of people there were unarmed, had no intention of committing an insurrection [confirmed in FBI interviews] and had no conceivable way of achieving an insurrection.

[@roymarshall_]

@@TotalWater-d2o You don't have to be armed to be part of an insurrection, that is nowhere in the definition. Their testimony after the fact once facing potential legal consequences carries little weight.

[@note4note804]

@@TotalWater-d2o Pointing out that you can direct morons to perform an illegal act and then highlight that they were too stupid or ill equip to do said act doesn't mean you didn't direct them to perform an illegal act. That's why attempted crimes are still illegal even if they fail. If I thought that my boss had a peanut allergy and I told my coworker to give him a peanut butter sandwich, it's still attempted murder if he doesn't have the allergy.

[@TotalWater-d2o]

​@@note4note804 "Pointing out that you can direct morons to perform an illegal act" - Except he objectively DIDNT 'direct them to do an illegal act'. - His statements were vague and open to interpretation (as-is often the case with politicians on the left) which IS NOT incitement and DOES NOT constitute a crime ; you cannot retroactively define speech as incitement based on how other people choose to interpret it. *"then highlight that they were too stupid or ill equip to do said act"* - Their obviously and woefully inadequate lack of means to achieve insurrection provides circumstantial evidence towards their lack motive. - The subsequent FBI interviews confirmed the overwhelming majority of the Jan 6th protesters had no intent to commit insurrection. - Calling something an 'insurrection' when 'the overwhelming majority of people involved had no intent of committing insurrection' is disingenuous.

[@TotalWater-d2o]

​@@roymarshall_ *"You don't have to be armed to be part of an insurrection"* - Sure, but being armed is indicative of insurrection and the fact they were not provides basis to doubt the claim. *"Their testimony after the fact once facing potential legal consequences carries little weight."* Their testimony and interrogations by the FBI, COMBINED with their conduct on the day (which can be best characterized as trespassing and minor scuffles with police - 0 murders and the most damage that occurred was the 'theft' of the speakers podium which never made it past the lobby), COMBINED with their obvious and woefully inadequate ability to actually effectuate an insurrection (both in terms of armaments and in terms of the possible outcomes from occupying the capital), Provides more than sufficient evidence to dismiss the unevidenced claim that the majority of them wanted to enact insurrection.

[@iknowyourname36]

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THEY SWEAR AN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION. HOLY SHIT IVE BEEN SO PISSED NO ONE HAS BEEN BEEN SAYING IT.

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

No it was to Donald! Pence is his VP, HE HAS TO SHOW HIS LOYALTY!

[@SaltyCorpsman]

I was getting a little irritated by that as well. There is a difference between legal and illegal orders. Of course, I suppose that is up to each individual service member’s subjective interpretation. We aren’t all lawyers, and you’d be hard pressed to find lawyers that agree on what is legal or not. To Glenn’s credit, there would be those that would have probably followed those orders. It does, lend some credit to his point. However, destiny is correct, it would be a horrible look if Trump had to take military action to effectuate a coup. It’s optically more appealing for a large popular uprising ushering in trump. Reminds me of Julius Caesar, 3 times he denied the crown. Sorry to ramble.

[@actionalex3611]

@@SaltyCorpsman And the fact that Millie had actually been taking steps in case Trump would have moved towards that.

[@SaltyCorpsman]

@@actionalex3611 A valid point. There are enough safeguards within the system to prevent something like this. It isn’t fool proof, but I am confident that it is very unlikely to ever really be tried. Had this been a planned coup, I seriously believe there would have been more blood in the streets.

[@gsfouroone5045]

They swear an oath to the Constitution and Commander in Chief. So, they are required to follow the POTUS orders unless they formally refuse or resign. This is the oath military must swear for enlistement: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

[@Alpine_Nightly]

Greenwald's getting his face put on for his date with Destiny.

[@SoSickSry]

For the longest time i thought Eli Hassel was an oil painting of an IT nerd

[@schwango4816]

😂 based

[@AB-et6nj]

No just Jewish

[@Dirty_bubs]

And what a beautiful painting it is 🖼️

[@peterkirk8510]

I thought rose wrist got a haircut lmao

[@ShuffleboardJerk]

omg this is so funny

[@Jon-fc2ss]

"It depends on how a congressman is killed for it to be an insurrection" -Glen Greenwald, 2024

[@Michael-kp4bd]

I mean out of context that’s like one of the least insane statements he made 😅 Motive would 100% matter. Here, the motive for many of the law breaking violent invaders of the Capitol was to keep Trump in power, and that was Trump’s motive as well, so a killing would be clearly for insurrectionist purposes. A random psycho on a random day killing a random congressperson would likely not be evidence of trying to overthrow the government. Does any of this help Glenn in this context? No. But quoting the statement without context to make it sound wrong just gives it credibility for the annoying reasons i just had to outline.

[@EffigyofChaos]

That is accurate, though.

[@semo9197]

@@Michael-kp4bd Very true lmao, its almost like he forgot he was in a debate about an event where a large group of people broke into the capital 😂

[@CribNotes]

@@semo9197 "a large group of people broke into the capital 😂" Yes, with the assistance of under cover deep state agents. You young and dumbers are way too slow on this stuff.

[@MrMango331]

@@Michael-kp4bd It wasn't why, it was how. It's dumb af

[@russellwest8767]

Also, lol about Glenn saying “I’m above this” as a guy who was happy to share a panel with Alex jones

[@Skibbityboo0580]

It's true though, he is beneath it!

[@russellwest8767]

@@Skibbityboo0580 sorry skibbity I gotta edit lol I said that completely wrong

[@Skibbityboo0580]

@@russellwest8767 All good, lets just hold eachother by the peeworm, and go as hard as we can.

[@hberrisford12]

*grabs the peeworm*

[@LoudWaffle]

ayo wtf goin on in this thread

[@haydennash6780]

I love when people immediately pivot when faced with questions they don’t want to answer.

[@JerkDeBust]

dentiny's entire career in a nutshell.

[@Oxtrooo]

when did he pivot?@@JerkDeBust

[@easyegg9760]

@@Oxtrooo”how many people did the insurrectionists kill” Destiny: refuses to answer, “how many people died in Fort Sumter”

[@chrisjohnson-tn3gl]

i agree with you. it was kind of cringe how many times destiny fell back on this and just started shouting over glen's points or answers to destiny's own questions.

[@angelolopez2319]

@@easyegg9760 zero people died at fort Sumter just like zero people were killed by insurrectionist on j6 he’s literally giving him an answer lmao??? Just because you didn’t know and pick up on that doesn’t mean destiny is wrong

[@jacesantibata6917]

Eli is W moderator

[@parzivallampruge2549]

Rare

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

Mewh, i gotta be honest, why need a moderator between 2 people. He wasnt bad, but do we even need him?

[@Rodent_]

@@chinchillatwitch7234 i like how he push's people to explain their points more in depth.

[@BrendanBeckett]

@@chinchillatwitch7234 Why wouldn't you?

[@Joviakus]

100% agree.

[@hmkhgx8068]

Saying "peacefully" is the right wing "in a video game"

[@GDJ113]

And if the woman floats then she's a witch

[@CynicalGear]

What are you even trying to say?

[@thulyblu5486]

@@CynicalGear Some people incite violence and follow that up with "... in a video game" just to get plausible deniability just in case. OP says the right does the same with inserting the word "peacefully"

[@thulyblu5486]

wasn't the excusing-the-riots-brigade saying they're "mostly peaceful" pretty much all left wing? ...

[@CynicalGear]

@@thulyblu5486 well, that’s just a stupid statement then. Especially because destiny has made the same argument when it comes to Ray Epps. In the debate against drone tech destiny Consistently regurgitated the fact that Ray Epps once, after being called out as a feds said do it “peacefully”. But now it doesn’t seem to matter when it comes to Trump.

[@DJayJesse]

Greenwald is basically just a "coups are things that violent foreigners do on television with AK47s" kinda guy

[@deadgolfer6345]

Those are coups.

[@mrt7469]

He's right, those sound exactly like coups. Infact, if I had to picture a coup, it would look exactly like that.

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

​​@@mrt7469and sex trafficking is literally just what happens in the taken movies.

[@DJayJesse]

@@mrt7469 No. It's a "feels over reals" appeal to the tone of a situation that makes him look like an idiot

[@Miderguy_]

😂

[@Wunder_Dog]

Glen - There was not near enough people for this to be an insurrection. Eli - How many people does it need to be? Glen - You can't set a number for that. How did they not push back on that and just except him using that as an argument but he can't quantify it. All he said was 2-2000 is not enough to qualify for insurrection. Is it 3000, 10000, 1000000? Glen also kept talking about Coup when the whole discussion was insurrection.

[@100AcreWoodz1]

Glen dodging questions like Mohamad Ali this whole debate

[@danagadberry5129]

I want to hear a debate between an avid Trump supporter and another conservative Trump supporter who disagrees.

[@SlackerMagician]

disagrees on what? Jan 6th?

[@tristenatorplaysgames6833]

Just look at q. Half of them are saying the deep state pdfs caused this and the other half are saying yippee trump should’ve finished overthrowing the government

[@hairzilla]

Never going to happen, all people accusing Trump already hate him. Its the most partisan bs ever

[@Seaneey]

It wouldn't be interesting. They'd end up agreeing & making out for 45 minutes

[@danilonden3782]

You don't realise that trump supporters are in a cult, so they aren't allowed their own opinion.

[@Trossman107]

He just made up that 2000 russian soldiers were killed in the wagner coupe lol it was like less than 20

[@vp3398]

True! They just brushed such a significant overstatement off

[@dannyboy3163]

It was alot more than 20. 20 officers…thousands of soldiers

[@IncognitoAtreides]

That is not true. There were less than 100 dead. @dannyboy3163

[@Yolomcswaggins6969]

He also spoke about it being "crushed", when it was actually a negotiated settlement which saw few deaths. If they had been "crushed", then maybe it would have been 2000 but that's not the reality we live in

[@MisterS.]

Oh yeah I forgot about it xD Just making shit up as he goes

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

I personally think that the most annoying part of Conservatives denying the facts is that if a president on the left had said and did the exact same thing the day of and leading up to that day, they would be singing a completely different tune. But since it is someone on their side, they nearly injure themselves pivoting and reaching for whataboutisms.

[@MustardSkaven]

That's not a conservative problem. That's a problem of how partisan/divided the US is. That goes both ways. The US is obviously divided into 2 camps right now politically and each side is in an echo chamber and unwilling to consider the other. I'm a European and when I saw how the "fine people on both sides" got played out in the US, it became very clear how polarised US citizens are.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@MustardSkaven Actually there was a study done recently that MAGA voters in particular are a lot more inclined to lie on their beliefs and views and how things play out. The US is divided, but with MAGA the problem is a lot more prevalent.

[@ConsciousExpression]

@@MustardSkaven No it doesn't go both ways. We are perfectly capable of saying that people on our side are corrupt. For example who do you see defending the Senator who got caught taking bribes from Egypt? Oh right, nobody. Nobody is whatabouting that and trying to say it's not as bad as stuff Trump did. The right is the party of changing the subject and avoiding the topic. Period.

[@BlackHeartRC]

Glenn’s not conservative at all

[@unicorn73212]

​​@@jackeagleeye3453yeah a lot of these extremist groups want to over throw democracy they were actually very wise for sueing that guy because nobody wants a dictator in office sometimes I scroll past those Magda videos because there not conservatives there more like Nazis banning together to try and destroy this country and turn back the clock they don't even take care of there own women but they want to fly to other countries and try to steal there women. That group is asking for problems because they don't want to change they don't want to help people they just want the title of leader just so they know what it feels like to enslave people for their own personal benefit they certainly don't represent all men but they are usually the loudest.

[@tjbes]

I don’t think Glenn realizes that he admitted it was the definition of an insurrection and then went on to argue it wasn’t an insurrection. He is such an inconsistent and dishonest thinker.

[@truthstarved]

The common usage of terms and legal definitions of terms are not the same thing; the former is subject to myriad interpretations while the latter is shackled by precedent setting language. Destiny plays fast and loose with language in service to bias while Greenwald is limited by his regard for legal definitions.

[@tjbes]

@@truthstarved But the way Glenn described it is the legal definition of an insurrection. That’s my point. He undermined his own argument. It’s not Destiny (who I’m no fan of) who is playing fast and loose with language or constantly contradicting himself. Greenwald just gave an extremely weak argument.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Yeah, Glen has lost his cred. His arguments here are so very insubstantial. He doesn't even put forth any significant legal argument here.

[@JerkDeBust]

he won the debate easily.

[@JerkDeBust]

@@LukeMcGuireoides insubstantiated, not a word.

[@patrickb6862]

1:09:30 on wikipedia it's reported that 2 people from Wagner Group and between 13 and 29 Russian government forces were killed not more than two thousand as Glenn Greenwald so confidently claimed. I checked Russian wikipedia to check and see if they make a claim of thousands dying there for some reason; however, they claim that exactly 15 casualties amongst Russian servicemen and 2 Wagner mercenaries.

[@joelsommers]

I wish I had thought to check that. Of course it was so few that naming the actual number would have muted the point Glenn was trying to make. Thanks for fact-checking and commenting on that.

[@HarperSanchez]

You believe the Russians now?

[@GBGB000]

He said two dozen, not two thousand. The overall point is stupid, though.

[@tonymiranda39]

He's point does hold that a legitimate threat to the power structure of the Russian government was there, a well trained militia vs jan 6 a bunch of Karen's and fat dudes on Trump's diet plan....

[@Rob-qn8ed]

Two words - Russian and wikipedia. This is your source of truth?

[@NugKnights]

Imagine if in a murder trial the defendant says ignore the video of the murder. Lest just focused on the video of him eating lunch.

[@jennifershaw5302]

Telling people to be peaceful is incitement now? What did you think the clips show you?

[@serjarmen]

@@jennifershaw5302 yeah just ignore all the fear pumping in his speech and cling to a throw away line.

[@alexraymond5572]

@serjya6762 MUH FEAR PUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!! Charge him with fear pumping lmao

[@SKRATCH1988]

imagine in a murder trial ignoring the video evidence that exonerated the murderer and instead twisting the narrative to make it confirm your own biases.

[@paromanin]

"it's ok cause he said the word peacefully" lmao how far down your gullet can you possibly shove Trump's balls?

[@unclehollywoodshouseofther995]

I watched as Jan 6th happened. The one thing that sticks with me was people coming out of the Capital claiming "we stopped the steal" and cheering

[@alexraymond5572]

and?

[@DeliveringSolutions]

The problem with what we watched, is that it was select footage put out by the mainstream media who have a track record of their dislike for Donald Trump. The more one researched January 6th, I mean really research it, and not just gobble up what CNN, NBC, and even FOX say ... the more you realize that there were many under cover federal employees and 'contractors' helped make this what it was, and it still was not as violent as they wanted it to be. If you believe the media and you believe the government has only the best intentions and would never lie to you intentionally, then you will never believe that January 6th was anything other than what "the people that you trust" tell you that it was.

[@stonetemplepilot420]

​@alexraymond5572 these people KNEW what they were doing. They weren't there just to break stuff, it was to end democracy.

[@godyamit]

​@@alexraymond5572and part of an insurrection is the obstruction of a federal proceeding. I know it's a lot of information for your tiny brain but try to keep up

[@hoverboard]

@@alexraymond5572…AND that’s them telling on themselves- their intention was to illegally halt the electoral process. Insurrection

[@kaykwanu]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🏛️ *The debate focuses on whether the events of January 6th constituted an insurrection.* 01:23 📺 *Video evidence shows thousands outside the Capitol, engaging in violence.* 02:05 💬 *Greenwald argues that the scale of violence on January 6th doesn't meet the threshold for an insurrection.* 18:40 🚨 *Destiny refutes the notion that the January 6th events weren't a serious threat, pointing out the potential consequences if the situation had escalated further.* 21:00 📉 *Destiny argues that a specific percentage of violence is needed to classify an event as an insurrection or coup, but Greenwald believes such terms lack fixed definitions and depend on perspective and context.* 22:22 🧩 *Greenwald argues that the January 6 events did not pose a significant threat due to the lack of numbers and organization among participants, comparing it to historical events like the Vagner Rebellion in Russia.* 25:26 🗳️ *Destiny highlights the historic significance of the January 6 event, being the first time the certification of electoral votes was delayed due to protesters, challenging the notion of minimal disruption.* 30:49 🤔 *Destiny uses "Loki's wager" to counter Greenwald's argument about the scale of the event, suggesting that the magnitude of an insurrection should not be downplayed based on comparisons with more extreme events.* 33:35 🔍 *Greenwald emphasizes the importance of historical comparisons to contextualize events like January 6, questioning the authenticity of narratives that align with partisan agendas without historical precedent.* 38:44 📜 *Jack Smith, an aggressive prosecutor, did not charge Donald Trump with inciting or participating in an insurrection, suggesting it would be difficult to prove.* 41:58 💼 *Despite Jack Smith's prosecutorial aggressiveness, no prosecutor, including Smith, accused Trump of inciting or participating in an insurrection, raising questions about the feasibility of proving such charges.* 43:34 🤔 *Historical precedent shows that individuals were not charged with insurrection even in significant events like the Civil War, indicating that lack of charges does not negate the occurrence of an insurrection.* 45:10 🗡️ *Trump's failure to utilize executive powers to perpetrate a coup, like commanding the military, suggests his intent wasn't insurrectionary but rather aimed at delaying the certification of election results.* 49:07 🧐 *Trump's inaction during the Capitol riot, despite having authority and responsibility, raises questions about his intentions, indicating his focus may have been on delaying the certification of the election results rather than staging a coup.* 55:40 🧠 *Glenn Greenwald emphasizes the ease of peacefully dispersing the Capitol protesters after three hours, highlighting the event's absurdity.* 57:59 💬 *Glenn Greenwald argues against comparing the Bolivia election controversy to Trump's fraud claims, emphasizing the differences in the allegations.* 01:00:33 🔍 *Destiny presses Glenn Greenwald on how the Capitol rioters gained entry, emphasizing their use of force to break in despite police resistance.* 01:01:17 🤔 *Destiny challenges Glenn Greenwald on the casualty count of the Capitol riot, highlighting the absence of deaths directly caused by rioters.* 01:10:07 🔍 *Greenwald questions the severity of the Capitol riot threat, contrasting it with historical coup attempts and emphasizing the lack of meaningful danger posed by the rioters.* 01:12:44 📺 *Greenwald challenges the portrayal of January 6th as a clear-cut event, highlighting nuances in police conduct and media coverage.* 01:13:54 🗣️ *Pelosi's rejection of Republican nominees for the January 6th commission is discussed, with accusations of partisanship from both sides.* 01:15:21 💬 *Greenwald argues that Pelosi's commission choices were partisan, while Destiny defends the rejection of certain Republican nominees.* 01:16:44 💼 *Greenwald criticizes Pelosi for rejecting Republican commission nominees, stating it undermined bipartisanship.* 01:17:10 🔍 *Greenwald accuses the January 6th commission of crafting a narrative filled with lies and selective video footage.* 01:19:36 🔥 *Debate intensifies as Greenwald and Destiny clash over the significance of video footage showing police guiding protesters inside the Capitol.* 01:22:48 💡 *Greenwald argues that most Capitol protesters were nonviolent, challenging the portrayal of January 6th as a grave threat to democracy.* 01:26:28 🧠 *Greenwald and Destiny debate whether January 6th constitutes an insurrection, highlighting differing interpretations of events.* 01:29:34 🏛️ *Trump's supporters went to the Capitol on Jan 6 as he directed, aiming to disrupt the certification of the vote.* 01:31:12 🗣️ *Destiny emphasizes the importance of analyzing the entirety of Trump's speech and subsequent actions, suggesting they incited violence and attempted to subvert the electoral process.* 01:32:49 🚨 *Destiny argues that Trump's failure to immediately call off the rioters and deploy the National Guard demonstrates his culpability in the events of Jan 6.* 01:39:13 💬 *Greenwald questions why, if Trump intended an insurrection, he publicly urged for peaceful protest and later told rioters to go home.* 01:45:59 💬 *Greenwald highlights the State Department's labeling of events in other countries as coups and insurrections, suggesting a long history of such terminology use.* 01:47:08 🧐 *Greenwald argues against trivializing terms like "insurrection" by examining historical context beyond the Trump era.* 01:48:30 💡 *Greenwald distinguishes between political protests causing delays and genuine attempts at undermining power.* 01:49:39 🤔 *Destiny questions the motive behind the January 6 protest, suggesting it aimed to dispute the election outcome.* 01:51:57 🔍 *Greenwald references historical rebellions and protests to contextualize discussions about insurrection and coup attempts.* 01:55:28 📜 *Greenwald presents Trump's legal actions post-election as a recourse within the American democratic framework.* 01:59:38 🤷 *Destiny argues that a failed coup still constitutes a coup, regardless of its outcome, while dissecting legal arguments and intentions behind Trump's actions.* 02:03:11 🏛️ *Legal advice from reputable lawyers is relevant in determining criminal intent.* 02:05:43 🔍 *Trump pursued legal recourses and peacefully left office after exhausting them.* 02:07:22 🔒 *Not all crimes require mens rea (intent), but it's crucial in many prosecutions.* 02:09:41 🗽 *Trump likely would have left office even if legal proceedings delayed certification.* 02:12:01 📜 *Trump's request to DOJ about election fraud evidence depends on intent.* 02:13:25 📢 *Trump's responsibility for Jan 6th is a matter of debate; he may bear some moral responsibility.* 02:15:20 ⚖️ *Speeches inciting violence may have legal protection under free speech unless directly inciting violence.* 02:17:56 🤔 *Trump's belief in election fraud could stem from various factors, including distrust in the establishment.* 02:19:50 🧠 *Greenwald and others suggest Trump genuinely believed in election fraud, despite evidence to the contrary.* 02:20:45 🔍 *The persistence of Trump's claims of election fraud, despite lack of majority support and contrary evidence, suggests strong psychological incentives for his belief.* 02:21:15 🎯 *Dispositive proof is rare in understanding someone's state of mind, relying more on circumstantial evidence.* 02:22:39 💬 *Evidence that could change opinions includes a confession or lack of surrounding support for claims of fraud.* 02:24:47 🔥 *Discussion highlights tactics of deflection and obfuscation in political debates.* 02:28:16 🤯 *Greenwald's claim that the attack on Fort Sumter was only an insurrection in hindsight is heavily criticized as absurd.* 02:29:15 💡 *Challenging Greenwald's criteria for evidence, particularly his reluctance to criticize Trump's actions or beliefs.* 02:33:32 🤔 *Greenwald's avoidance of directly criticizing Trump's actions indicates a lack of good faith in the debate.* 02:34:54 🗣️ *Greenwald's selective interpretation of Trump's statements and actions is highlighted, pointing out inconsistencies and bias.* 02:36:17 💡 *Destiny questions why select footage was released to specific media, suggesting a lack of good faith in transparency.* 02:36:43 🤔 *Destiny challenges the significance of releasing footage after the Capitol breach, questioning what it aims to prove.* 02:37:27 💬 *Destiny criticizes repetitive arguments from Glenn Greenwald, highlighting the lack of substantial response to key points.* 02:38:51 💬 *Destiny emphasizes the importance of owning positions outright instead of vague justifications, criticizing evasive responses.* 02:39:32 🧠 *Destiny critiques Glenn Greenwald for associating him with arguments he didn't make, pointing out inconsistencies in his reasoning.* Made with HARPA AI

[@derekc423]

I think maybe Glenn was just in a coma on January 6 or something. He seems to have forgotten that the congressional floor had barricaded the doors with furniture, guns drawn, as people were banging on the doors trying to get in.

[@CribNotes]

Are talking about Q Anon Horn Guy who was being quietly and cheerfully escorted onto the congressional floor by Capitol security? Were you in a coma for the last 3 years AFTER Jan 6?

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

​@CribNotes yeah that's a shit point he was moved their after they were escorted out. We literally see him break in earlier.

[@Tesla_Death_Ray]

Woah I didn't know they tried to get into the building! This changed everything. That's so coup.

[@MishaLan23]

No he just knows what an insurrection is and that this was obviously not one which is why the media and the committe withheld video and lied about the death of a police officer

[@uhok6712]

@@MishaLan23show us the video then. Oh wait. It doesn’t exist because we saw the whole event live from like 500 different cameras. Sorry your coup failed. Maybe get less stupid people next time.

[@integratedfrost435]

Definitely the best moderator we've seen

[@odeode4338]

It‘s crazy that Eli‘s channel is only around 6k.

[@merlin72001]

He consistintly let Glenn ramble over Destiny.

[@Gardimus]

I don't know, that mod for the Alex Jones debate who did nothing most of the time, let Alex hijack every conversation, condescendingly told everyone how great they were doing, especially Glenn, and then started screaming like a lunatic is a close second.

[@PR-lf1qr]

He has great moderator physiognomy. He looks like a great early 20th century author or poet who wrote about his time as a signalman or code taper during the First World War.

[@roymarshall_]

@@PR-lf1qr I feel like that is significantly impacted by his background which literally makes him look like an author bio photo

[@dbroooo]

Glen sounds like a south park character when he talks.

[@Dietcheesey]

He sounds like Bob Odenkirk

[@ThrustWithVigor]

It’s like nails on a fucking chalkboard

[@Deathwhitch]

I'm not your buddy pal!

[@travisclementsmith6949]

Wasn't the official protest confined to the Elipse? When Trump directed them to the Capitol, didn't he direct them to commit an illegal act? Therefore, the only legal protesters are the ones who didn't go to the Capitol. The level of violent intent, therefore, increases for those who move beyond the March to the Capitol to actually entering the Capitol. The last escalation occurs from those escalating violence against the officers. Whether or not the majority do not realize the crowd is being used as cover for the more concentrated and purposeful activity does diminish the act of insurrection.

[@CyanPhoenix_]

I like having Eli in these debates, he could do a bit better with moderating but he asks some great, hard questions to both parties and it definitely helps the more reasonable person stand out.

[@galaxycraftings]

a bit better with moderating destiny** you mean.

[@ddubya4097]

He needed a couple mute buttons and a timer though

[@ddubya4097]

He needed a couple mute buttons and a timer though

[@snakebebop]

​@@galaxycraftings he was too busy moderating Glenn

[@galaxycraftings]

which is a pretty large issue when destiny interupted the majority of the conversation@@snakebebop

[@mcbean1]

@33:58 Oh please, lets not act like if this had been Dems opposing trump's election in 2016, Reps would not be 100% on board with saying it was an insurrection

[@ForOrAgainstUs]

Not that they wouldn't hop aboard an already moving train but... You familiar with the May 29 riots when Trump and family were moved by the secret service to a security bunker?

[@SlackerMagician]

They literally said he was an illegitimate president installed by putin for 4 years but ok

[@MrGgabber]

They did. Multiple Democrats tried to get Biden to refuse to certify 2016. Jamie Raskin even petitioned for alternate electors

[@SlackerMagician]

Dems said Trump was illegitimate and installed by putin for 4 years and republicans never called it an insurrection

[@mcbean1]

@@SlackerMagician Do you think just saying something is the same as inciting people to riot?

[@JackSack-w5h]

"There weren't thousands of people inside the Capitol. There was only 2,000 people"

[@odeode4338]

But let‘s be fair, if some says „thousands of people“ the usually mean a much larger number than 2000. It‘s a term to say it‘s a fuck ton of people but we don‘t have clear numbers. Plus he likely has Destinys large number, of multiple tens of thousands, in mind.

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Two thousand = thousands lulw Wouldn't that be more like 5k or over that?

[@earlofpants]

@@Just_a_turtle_chadno it means more than one thousand, pick up a fucking dictionary lmfao

[@calculator91]

You'd say a "couple thousand" if you were shorthanding it.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@Just_a_turtle_chad I know you guys support alternative facts lol

[@mordakie3805]

Glenn lost ..he was going in circles .he had one talking point and kept going back to it

[@josephmotherheehee]

Amen, felt like I was in an acid loop.

[@mattcoakes5682]

The crazy thing about using "It ended in Trump peacefully giving up power, therefore it wasn't an attempted coup" as a defense, is that means that anyone could become president, try to do a sneaky coup, and as long as you forfeit before they charge you, you can't be held liable. Even if you wanna say Trump didn't try to do a coup, it's just not the precedent you want to set...

[@Branif]

The problem is Destiny always wants to tell us to trust in the institutions, and on this, he wants to clutch his pearls. Very inconsistent

[@THEKNIGHT108]

@@Branifliterally nothing about this is inconsistent, the president alone does not an institution make.

[@mattcoakes5682]

@@Branif So for one, that is a complete non sequitur to my comment, not sure why you are replying to me with that. But to engage with that - it's not inconsistent at all. Destiny has general trust in our institutions but has never said "trust all members of all institutions regardless of what actions they take." If he had said those words, then I guess his criticism of Trump here would be inconsistent? But he has never said anything remotely close to that.

[@alexd4566]

That is like saying “I didn’t actually kill my aunt, since I missed my shot. Therefore, it wasn’t attempted murder” It’s a ridiculous argument.

[@JobVanDam]

I just think liberals have to call Jan 6th a coup and an insurrection cause they can always tell themselves "but the right is MORE dangerous look at Jan 6th" Meanwhile the amount of things where the left has gone too far is insane. Then again i'm kinda used to this the left has such high standards for the right. The right standards are dont be crazy, and thats a huge bar for the left.

[@russellwest8767]

Does prigozhins rebellion even meet Glenn’s criteria? I could have sworn he never stated explicitly that he wanted to get rid of Putin, and it also quickly failed

[@LoudWaffle]

No, and it also only caused the deaths of 15-31 people (the Russian side, as usual, gives conflicting numbers). Couldn't have been an insurrection if the casualty numbers were that low, considering the amount of people involved.

[@thatshadowguy1005]

No, and neither would the Whiskey Rebellion, nor Fort Sumpter in-and-of itself. It's clear he's purposefully inflating his standards just to defend his position. In hindsight, J6 didn't achieve much, and Glenn latches onto this to downplay it as much as possible. He HAS to, or else he might lose his coveted "Most Anti-Establishment Guy Ever" award.

[@MisterS.]

He keeps saying that it was "squashed", but Prigozhin ordered his men to stand down after negotiations involving Lukashenko

[@georgekolton9059]

Lost major respect for delusional Greenwald...at least on this matter. He nauseatingly keeps mentioning how the transfer of power was "only delayed by a miniscule and irrelevant 3 hours". It was "only" 3 hours because the insurrections failed in what they wanted to accomplish. Not because that "little" delay was all they wanted. The various chants going on tell us what they would've done, if they had succeeded. Greenwald misses that point and is basically saying that someone shouldn't be locked up for trying to kill somebody, because their aim was bad and the bullet missed.

[@StinkCabbage]

Excellent comment 👌

[@thulyblu5486]

You had respect for a lawyers' arguments before?!

[@GovnaBuckingham]

did they forget to bring guns?

[@sorrymyenglishbad2535]

@@thulyblu5486Probably had respect for a Pulitzer prize winner.

[@georgekolton9059]

@@thulyblu5486 Greenwald does have a very good take on the Israel - Gaza situation and has done it justice in debates.

[@brandonbenjamin5425]

I love how Glenn keeps shrinking the length of the insurrection at first he said 3 hours and a lil past half way into the debate its an hour😂😂

[@stevegreen6086]

Just stating the obvious…ITS FUCKING IRRELEVANT

[@jamesalexander958]

The length was zero

[@Micscience]

You have to be a young person to follow Destiny. I am willing to bet not one older wise gentleman follows Destiny. He is like this new age debater that lives in a internet bubble by not understanding historical context or he down plays it's significance. On the other hand when he is just alone or just talking to someone not debating he actually seems really smart. I don't get the guy I really don't.

[@gianthills]

when the left have no argument they exaggerate.

[@Boxcar808]

@@Micscience Well you wouldn't, you're dopey enough to believe age somehow automatically grants wisdom.

[@MrArthurT1100]

When the Pulitzer Prize winner, in the first five-ish minutes of a conversation, is seriously saying polls in January suggest a candidate *will* win...good god.

[@DCzero50]

If you think thats what he meant with that point youre actually brain dead

[@evanbyrne7020]

Snowden won that Pulitzer Prize, really. All the Greenwald had to do was publish.

[@CribNotes]

Do you actually think Dementia Joe 2024 will get as many votes as Dementia Joe 2020? You're out of your mind. Or do you think Gavin Newsom will show up on stage this summer and win November? Or how about Michelle Obama!! Yay!! What percentage of Americans don't even know who the fk Gavin Newsom is?

[@vorbo01]

He was saying the polls favored Trump to set up his hypothetical, not once did he even imply that because the January polls show Trump winning does he thinks it's ironclad he's going to win. Are you okay?

[@scottwills8539]

@@vorbo01 He brought up the polls constantly in the conversation, not to "set up his hypothetical" but to cheerlead for Trump. Are you okay?

[@PoachStevens]

I needed to see Glenn Greenwald get a back-hand like this, pretty much since he left the independent. He caught several today. I was a fan before, now I’m just glad you exist. Even though Destiny is a girls name.

[@mattsreptileroom]

Lmfao, are you kidding?! Destiny got embarrassed

[@hansgullickson4080]

His fans do t think so. Lol

[@user-el4su7tl6f]

U mean "the intercept"? Not the independent

[@Chronoboost_]

@@mattsreptileroom Anyone would be embarrassed in Destiny's scenario. He's debating an imbecile. I would feel like it was such a waste of my time. Glenn Greenwald COULD be embarrassed, but he lacks social awareness.

[@georgekolton9059]

@@mattsreptileroom You have it backwards. Greenwald made one ridiculous claim after another, failing badly at explaining how an obvious coup wasn't a real coup....because not the correct number of people died... because 2 thousand wasn't "thousands"... because Trump left peacefully AFTER the fact... because Trump did nothing to get things under control for "an hour" which was actually more than 3 hours....bla bla BS.... Greenwald went down in flames. Period.

[@B-Nice]

Edward Snowden is rolling over in his VPN

[@NR-wg4cf]

😂

[@bxile730]

Destiny cooked this man on the insurrection aspect

[@oldrichkosacka5522]

Typicall destiny supporter comment. No supstance.

[@kopekopekop]

Destiny talks about thousands of people violently entering the capital. Glen: “imagine two people with knives standing outside the capital”

[@acason4]

LMAO. It's always a pivot & an obfuscation with people like Glenn. All of his previous credibility is on the wind...

[@alexwestconsulting]

thousands of people didn't "violently enter the capital". Most people with very few exceptions simply walked in.

[@masonterhorst]

@@alexwestconsultingbreaking and entering is legally considered a violent crime. The door/window doesn’t fix itself for each person to break again after the first few people break it to enter. Doesn’t mean the other people didn’t also commit “breaking and entering” if they trespassed through an already broken door or window onto property where they were not legally permitted. Also even if we granted that point, Glenns own stated estimate for how many explicitly violent people there were was around 120-200. That is like 100X the example he keeps falling back to “two violent people”. It’s a laughably stupid point.

[@gimpg5329]

@@alexwestconsulting So ig if someone breaks into your house, you would be fine if a bunch of random people just wandered into it, since the door is now "open".

[@acason4]

@@alexwestconsulting So I'll let a 100+ of my friends know they can swing by your house anytime to break/kick your doors down, smash out your windows, damage your property screaming hang "Alex West Consulting". Also, I'll be sure an mention that as long as only 5 of them damage your property you'll be fine to advocate to law enforcement that the other 95 that dog pile in behind them were not violent & didn't actually commit a crime. That's the logical entailment of your delusional line of reasoning. Face palm.

[@thedappermagician6905]

The difference between this comment sections and Glenns on his own video is astronomical.

[@goosemasters]

yeah, its what i was expecting. I thought destiny was annoying. Especially annoying since I just watched his extremely polite and asskissing debate with Ben Shapiro. Clearly he knows how to be calm and rational,,, just not today.

[@xJDMWaRRi0Rx]

First time learning that all sides live in their own echo chambers huh?

[@mikem4481]

@@goosemastersbecause Shapiro is a neocon and largely agrees with lib hacks like him. i think ppl are starting to see what's going on now

[@vishg5148]

@@goosemastersyou gonna cry about it? Maybe glenny boy shouldn’t have lied the entire time

[@SkilledTadpole]

Nearly every comment there is an ad hominem attack on Destiny, effectively none address the substance of his argument. No surprise.

[@matthewobrien7326]

Simple Glem’s argument boils down to “if you try to coup badly, you didn’t try to coup.” It’s akin to going to court and saying “I tried to murder my wife, but I’m a terrible shot so it’s not really attempted murder.” I would urge Simple Glem to return his law degree to the Cracker Jack box from whence it came.

[@maluminse6013]

Simple, Pulitzer prize winning, Glenn

[@matthewobrien7326]

@@maluminse6013I don’t care if he won the Heisman, he’s still Simple Glem. His entire argument here is, at best, intellectually stunted to the point he cannot defend it. It’s not an insurrection because the threat wasn’t sufficient! And/or there were no guns! Or Trump left office! Or…reasons! Simple Glem is simple minded.

[@MrDreadEnd]

it cant be considered a real cou

[@matthewobrien7326]

@@MrDreadEndit’s only a diet coup, because there weren’t any helicopters and Trump didn’t call the military? The zero calorie coup.

[@smackyourlocalfrauditor9767]

😂😂😂 not the cracker jack box

[@archietech5495]

Destiny should have just jumped to the other side of the screen and debated himself cuz good ole Glenn came to the stage ill prepared

[@cringemeariver5266]

You are black bud, your opinion is worth nothing.

[@Idkwhyyouresostupid]

Destiny got dog walked but sure when you live in an echo chamber I can see how you would think like this,.

[@Horsenado1776]

Glenn contradicts himself. He says that his words stand for himself when Destiny brings up historical analysis then proceeds to talk about this not meeting the definition of a coup or insurrection based on historical analysis. Double-think Glenn!

[@JudasMaccabeus1]

It’s what happens when the main goal is to defend an ideology or narrative rather than the truth

[@exiledhebrew1994]

@@JudasMaccabeus1I think you guys are just misunderstanding what he’s saying. If the events of January 6th were truly not an insurrection; then his words do stand on themselves. You don’t have to go Machiavellian to explain basic logic

[@mpurusho]

Donald Trump: “You’re too honest Mike [Mike].” Glenn: “Trump really believed his lawyers.” 2:05:11

[@StinkCabbage]

You nailed it

[@gianthills]

too much cnn, kid.

[@mpurusho]

You’ve given me a lot to think about here. Let me check back in a week,.

[@StinkCabbage]

@@gianthills Too much System Update junior

[@coolroxas]

Yo all the TDS fans in here saying destiny is TDS. Lets be clear, destiny has never been to, worked or associated with The Daily Show. Though he may have enjoyed it when Jon Stewart was on.

[@Godfrey544]

Didn’t he come back?

[@coolroxas]

@Godfrey544 starting Feb only on Mondays yes😂

[@mikem4481]

the left cant meme...

[@coolroxas]

@mikem4481 Hey, you're that one guy^ hi that one guy

[@seankenny1275]

the correct guy@@coolroxas

[@chriswalsh2481]

Destiny was outmatched and thoroughly defeated but instead of talking the L with dignity whined like a B afterwards 🙄🤨

[@Druid75]

Wrong

[@stevegreen6086]

FACTS

[@animagamer2]

2:18:11 "NO HE'S NOT DIPLICITIOUS! LOOK, HIS CLOSE COMPATRIOTS SAY AS MUCH!" No one can honestly believe this man operates in good faith and is also intelligent. You can believe one of them but the beliefs are mutually exclusive.

[@thulyblu5486]

He is a lawyer... should tell you everything

[@saltking2715]

man, is Glenn training for the olympics? these mental gymnastics are through the roof

[@michaelturley3457]

Couldn’t beat Ben in a debate about this so he went to Glenn 😂 Destiny should just take the L and get over this childish argument

[@JobVanDam]

@@michaelturley3457 He has to hold onto this tell himself the right is just as crazy or more crazy than the left. He cant let it go.

[@sitonmuhdeckasshole]

I think it's because he considers himself influential in politics and thinks pushing this narrative helps Biden's chances of reelection and he know he can out argue most people to convince his audience that wants to hear it was an insurrection that it is. I don't think he actually feels like it was a serious insurrection, he's just looking it as a good opportunity to play the whole TRUMPS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY card. If you think 2000 hillibillies were a threat to democracy and downplay them being disorganized and not using serious lethal force, you're just not interested in having an honest discussion, he's just doing political activism here. That's why he smiled when he argued it with Ben because he knew he was about to be silly and probably lose but he had to give it his best shot. He doesn't buy any of these arguments@@JobVanDam

[@TheFatAssCat]

@@JobVanDam y'all so triggered you've come to this strippers youtube channel to cope without any kind of actual argument. Just like your daddy Glenn.

[@stevewillis1916]

And then there’s you, who watches twitch streamers for political advice 😂😂😂.

[@hecticfreeze]

"Yes they delayed the vote, but only by 4 hours" How does anyone take Glenn Greenwald seriously when he says things like this?

[@gianthills]

maybe because he is a legit journalist and the other guy with the weird jaw is a high school graduate

[@mophead1666]

The thing that I'm mad Destiny didn't catch was Greenwald being really concerned about Trump saying precisely "peacefully and patriotically" during the Jan. 6th speech, but when he told a secretary of state in Georgia to "find me 11,780 votes, give me a break" all of the sudden Trump was just saying he believed there was fraud in the state, and there was all these ways you could read between the lines, when his precise words were that he asked him to find votes. In both instances he just picks whatever option favors Trump. Total hypocrite.

[@Neon_Lotus]

I just want some water for the weeds. They're so dried out. Please. These sweeping generalizations are sucking out all the substance.

[@zohare9028]

I think it's ridiculous for the definition of insurrection to require being incited by armed forces in this day and age. Using those means to cause a coup or insurrection would be disastrous for any large country, or for the people inciting it.

[@k45207]

25:31 this is such a good point. You can’t define a rebellion by its chances of success.

[@justaperson8144]

Rebellion..... Insurrection...?! Are we parsing semantics? Additionally, is that reality? In other words, if I can play word games better than you...am I inherently supposedly more "valid"? I love words, games with words (crossword puzzles...etc), and to be clear, just like the propagandists.... I'm good at it. I have chosen not to use my gift for evil... not everyone does. To be clear, some do... So...my premise would be, the VAST majority... you know those elderly folks and even some 40ish people being swept up in the notion that "hey, I guess we can go in " does not by any measure qualify an INSURRECTION. Lol. No guns, "from the supposed GUN NUTS"....are you kidding me? Nope. No how, no way.

[@k45207]

@@justaperson8144 sounds like you have strong feelings about this 😂 you can call it word games if you want. But I think defining it based on the chances of success especially in hindsight is a bad argue. Because a majority of rebellion and insurrections do have a low percentage of success they are almost always the underdog. Look at the American revolution on paper most people are putting their money on the British. If it didn’t succeed would it not still be call a rebellion or insurrection?

[@justaperson8144]

@@k45207 Unsure...are claiming they were successful or are you claiming I was unsuccessful in proving the OBVIOUS.

[@k45207]

@@justaperson8144 not trying to be rude , but your question was worded weird. If I understand what your asking, I’m saying whether or not it was successful it can still be a rebellion or insurrection. No definition of either word entails that it has to have been successful for it to be defined as that action. Also you saying “I guess we can go in” is a huge misrepresentation of what actually happened. You make it sound like they were on some guided tour of the facility 😂

[@bonko86]

@@justaperson8144 these were certainly all words

[@gangster125]

Destiny, can we please find out EXACTLY how many people made it into the capitol? Because THAT is what decides everything. WTF 😂 Glenn is so far gone man. It’s gotta be Russian money or something, cause it just doesn’t make sense with him and Taibbi

[@bonko86]

Glenns only point in this entire video was just "only a few people used violence", he just repeated the same point regardless of the point they were talking about

[@GovnaBuckingham]

Thinking Trump intentionally tried a coup by just saying his supporters should go protest at the capital while making 0 other preparations is peak autism

[@StinkCabbage]

​@@GovnaBuckinghamYeah and I guess in your reality submitting false slates of electors is a huge nothingburger as well?

[@stevegreen6086]

You truly believe 1000’s of people went to an “insurrection” yet miraculously forgot their firearms? FFS you people are brain dead

[@0397rb]

but trump did. ​@@GovnaBuckingham

[@0397rb]

​@@GovnaBuckinghamthat's not how autism works

[@Alright70]

Does Glen think that we didn’t watch everything for at least 10 hours that day? Jeez..

[@zandafolf]

He knows so

[@robinsonc5]

​@jethrotool4828 when they were trying to get access to politicians? When politicians had to stop the vote because people were trying to kill them, etc

[@ibaphomet6291]

On cnn

[@BluntforceJ]

@@jethrotool4828 They were dogs chasing cars. They tucked tail as soon as Babbitt got dealt with.

[@zandafolf]

@@robinsonc5 And that's why there's audio video of police calmly letting them into the building right? And the only people hurt were from police firing into the crowd. Cool, awesome. Lets read more tweets of how AOC felt her life was in danger when she wasn't even present. Fuck reality.

[@GlovesOff_jc]

Glenn acts like we don’t have footage of thousands of people pushing forward against police resistance to get to and inside the Capitol. Maybe only 2k got inside but many more than that were occupying the building and surrounding areas after helping create the conditions for others to get inside.

[@mrmr2488]

Dude, that's called a riot lol.. This is obviously not an insurrection. Stop being gaslit.

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@mrmr2488Okay, it was an insurrection themed riot, with all the gallows and "1776" and "hang the vice president" and "we stopped the vote"

[@Jonesyyy12]

@@mrmr2488irony if you saying don’t be gaslit as you gaslight 😂

[@mrmr2488]

@@dawnkeyy Glenn’s understanding of what an insurrection is, is just correct. Boomers yelling meaningless slogans and a crowd full of feds cannot be taken seriously as an insurrection. For the record, I don’t like trump. I think he set that crowd up and colluded with the “democrats” to create this dog and pony show we call Jan 6th. Trump will be president, he won’t get in trouble and the show will go on. But you absolute fools that think that was a genuine and planned attempt at overthrowing the government are truly being led into a ditch. I almost feel sorry for you, almost.

[@C3Rl3]

​@@mrmr2488 a riot to do what? was it like stealing a bunch of stuff from target?

[@Christian_TH]

Glenn would by this logic argue that a suicide bomber who fails to kill any other people, isnt a terrorist.

[@nickmrkobrada8027]

I think he would accept it’s a terrorist. Just not one capable of taking down the pentagon and the two towers. This feels like Glenn is saying “they used this as a massive event organized to allow trump to win… but it wasn’t” and destiny is arguing the definition of insurrection. Just the unspoken theme, I feel.

[@smcqui]

No one had a bomb or gun except the Capital Police

[@100AcreWoodz1]

​@smcqui many people were armed. They just never discharged them

[@smcqui]

@@100AcreWoodz1 Name one person

[@NastazyaPhylipovnaTchornaya]

​@@smcquiI'm afraid I don't have their personal information. Are you deliberately being deceptive, or did you not see with your own eyes individuals- not FBI stooges - in trees with ARs around the ellipse? Confirmed by Capitol police recordings? Why did Trump want the metal detector removed from the ellipse so his supporters could "peacefully protest, march with [him ] to the Capitol [and] fight like Hell?" Yeah, it's spelled CAPITOL. The CAPITAL, in the USA, varies from state to state. DC is the federal capital. Austin, TX, is the state capital.

[@Riplboss]

I remember in 2005, watching a protest of around a thousand people at an American Base in SKorea. The Korean Police protected US government property by beating the living shit out of the protestors, effectively holding back their advance and not allowing the protester to set foot on the property without consequence. It's crazy to watch another country better protect the US government compared to the US protecting their own.

[@BarbaPamino]

Because that wasn't a false flag psyop designed to create a hoopla and make one side look more evil than the other. Why else do you think all the Antifa and BLM groups were given memos to stay home? Silly Americans. And yes Trump is in on it too. He's just another actor in this theater.

[@Riplboss]

@@swickens930 not all protesters are rioters

[@BarbaPamino]

@swickens930 and less than 5% even entered the building. Of that less than 5% only 1% actually did anything violent. That's not even a riot. That's a psyop.

[@IntoxicatedSensei]

Destiny was the first one to start name calling. Just sayin’.

[@DannyIMCF]

I mean these kinds of things of who did what first are always silly because Greenwald and Destiny have been shit talking on Twitter for years lol (and in their last debate)

[@XenoTravis]

I get Glenn's point but I think he is better off just saying it was a crappy insurrection and media is over exaggerating it. When he says it isn't an insurrection just seems like he is wanting an argument

[@MrGgabber]

Then that also applies to Democrats supporting the 2020 riots

[@AlmarWinfield]

if it was an insurrection why do the people who say it was an insurrection not charge anyone with insurrection? I can't get past that level of cognitive dissonance in these discussions. Also, if someone robbed a bank and the security guard let him in, took selfies with him and lead him to a vault and opened the doors for the robber - you'd call that an inside job. Yet for Jan 6th we pretend that all logic is suspended and these facts don't matter.

[@maluminse6013]

It wasn't an insurrection. Not even the msm was calling it an insurrection until several days after the fact...when they'd had time to agree on their narrative.

[@theomnidegenerate5236]

@@AlmarWinfield this is so hilariously ironic you talk about cognitive dissonance , and yet you say the fax don’t matter then you actively ignore all of the facts. Such as the fact that they were not lead in the broken, and then the cops went into riot control mode, because the barricade had already fallen. 😂 you people are a joke. Truth is a lie to you and lies are the truth you live in a delusion. Also, if someone riots breaks down businesses sets cars on fire, and so on, yet nobody gets charged with rioting. I guess they weren’t riots.😂😂😂 your logic is nonsense

[@jaxom8062]

​@@AlmarWinfield there are knowable answers to all of your questions. everything you asked has been answered so many times. because insurrection is a nebulous term that can mean a wide range of specific criminal and not as criminal acts, legally speaking. what people are being charged with are well known, well defined criminal charges they conducted while in the act of an insurrection. your bank analogy is a terrible one. if the cop distracted and lead the robber on a goose chase in order to control him and keep him from the vault, that would be analogous to what the cops were doing on jan 6. and he would be praised for doing a great job by everyone. on jan 6 the cops were leading crowds and individuals places to keep them contained, away from lawmakers (the vault, in your analogy). that is riot mitigation 101 for law enforcement.

[@counterflow5719]

If they gave all the video footage to a half dozen film makers, each one of them could concoct their own story about what happened. You would have 6 different versions of the truth.

[@alexandersohm7501]

Every time I see one of these debates, the people who say it wasn't an insurrection always act like there is no such thing as people being charged of lesser crimes than the one they actually committed. Just because everyone wasn't charged as harshly, does not mean that they weren't all just as guilty. The line from Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men always comes to mind during these debates. "It doesn't matter what I believe. It only matters what I can prove!"

[@mrmr2488]

“it only matters what I can prove” exactly lol. They can’t prove it was an insurrection because it wasn’t. It’s so cute how destiny thinks Jack has the dirt and that he believes Trump was leading an insurrection but he just simply doesn’t want to charge him with trying to OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY, lol what a joke.

[@jek4837]

Are you saying that they were "all guilty" of insurrection? If so, no. You're operating on the "guilty until proven innocent" which is the exact opposite of how our system works .

[@uhok6712]

@@jek4837nah, they’re all guilty, but the real reason they rioted and tried to kill the Vice President is because trump lied about the election, so he’s the most guilty.

[@jek4837]

@@uhok6712 Wow. You're even more ignorant of the law and reason than the OP.

[@uhok6712]

@@jek4837 nah I’m just not a partisan hack like you

[@AnthonySuperCoder]

Watching Glen weasel around live was torture.

[@williamboyd9690]

As opposed to whining and sulking like Destiny did the entire debate because he wasn't getting his own way? Crybaby central 😆

[@Xornicus]

​@@williamboyd9690 spitting facts and watching some moron deny reality can be depressing. When you realize how fucking stupid some people like Glen are it really makes you lose hope in modern conservatives.

[@DannyIMCF]

Glenn Griftwald

[@Rem_NL]

Destiny calling Glen a partisan, while displaying the most partisan statements just shows the total lack of self awareness.

[@DjMaxi005]

Grifter = "he was more on the left and I liked him, but now I disagree with him, so he must be doing it for money" You have more bad faith than an average ISIS member

[@PixelPenguin77]

L Greenwald

[@ssj4punkrocker]

@@Rem_NLif those kids could read, they’d be very upset

[@GovnaBuckingham]

did you know putin invaded ukraine before but forgot to bring weapons so they had to go back and start again

[@jeksol]

Don't be such a political hack!! Said destiny with a straight face.

[@alexrustad5176]

Fr

[@rousseaufishing3795]

I love how coup means asshole in Portuguese and Greenwald keeps saying it around Brazilians who don't speak English

[@darkaquatus]

So this was a total waste of time. In the end they just disagree over the significance and the danger level of jan 6th. It turns out that if you can't agree on that, you will never see eye to eye on anything related to the topic.

[@scottholder4431]

The problem was.....expecting Glenn would be honest or charitable or rational.

[@sacredraisincake]

If you think about it January 6th was worse than 9/11, WW2,WW1, combined

[@Spytyler12]

​@@sacredraisincake for our democracy, possibly.

[@GovnaBuckingham]

The problem is the conspiracy theorists can always say "well I think that was the intention" if you have no evidence just point out the unprovable. The cope is hilarious. The fbi cia and military just decided to let it all go I guess LOL

[@kara5202]

I dont even think its about that… Like Shapiro said in his debate with Destiny was that they just dont take what Trump does that seriously. But if Biden did the exact same thing you know they would be going crazy. Its all about politics

[@anthonyjohn4380]

Glenn Greenwald really believes that Trump did not control the whole narrative and was convinced by others is delusional in so many ways. My ears are bleeding.

[@cromBumny]

So how did Trump control the narrative? When he tweeted "peaceful patriotic protest "?

[@gianthills]

tell that to all the data scientists who proved there was massive fraud. follow the science, kiddo.

[@scottkidder9046]

The lengths to which people will go to excuse bad behavior that threatens our democracy. The most sacred tradition of democracy is a peaceful transition of power. Apparently it’s only okay to condemn this behavior if the military marches into Washington and has a chance of actually forcing the democratically elected leader out of office. Unless there’s an actual military coup, then people really can’t do anything to erode our traditions and norms or threaten our ability to have a democracy. So I guess we should just vote for someone who attempts this behavior again until they’re actually successful and then we should call it dangerous after it’s too late… Glen is the opposite of an American and he represents a massive and growing danger to our democracy. He would have welcomed Hitler into power in Nazi Germany and would only have spoken out once Hitler was successful in consolidating power although honestly even then, I doubt he would have. It’s intellectuals like this that pose a major threat. Its intellectuals line this who allowed the political movements in the 20th century that killed millions of people to happen. We can’t have people making excuses like this and covering for behavior that is clearly incompatible with democracy. He should be ashamed of himself.

[@itskastrand]

i cant wait for the debate breakdown video from that one editor guy. they’re so much fun to watch. it’s like a 40k battle report

[@tunnelsloth5948]

Who?

[@ignotuscapillary8313]

​@@tunnelsloth5948 On destiny's second channel there are some videos breaking down his previous debates. They can be pretty informative and help to keep track of everyone's arguments and how people either counter or fail to counter certain points.

[@dcnik]

Funny how greenwald pivoting from discussing the topic posed before him is an analogy but anytime destiny posed a hypothetical greenwald characterizes it as trying to state false history. This guy is so bad faith and clearly has no intention of arguing on the merits.

[@shinyskull4654]

Great debate, destiny did really well conveying his points. Clearly gave a more solid argument. Wish glenn would have engaged more with destiny's questions and not going on a spiel not related to the question and being unable to give a counter argument without being condescending. He may call destiny a child but glenn needs to grow up.

[@hyperionsf3220]

That's literally what Destiny did. Destiny kept making statements in the form of a question. Destiny got bent over for doing this in the debate with Alex Jones. It's why Destiny is called a bad faith actor. He's 1 step away from being Sam Seder, because he keeps losing ALL debates, when his questions aren't statements from the start.

[@milantarbuk1039]

​@@hyperionsf3220Keep huffing that copium my dude, the fact you take Alex Jones seriously already tells me your takes are trash 🤣 Try getting life advice from the meth addict in that dark alley next time, you'd get an answer just as intellectually valid as Alex Jone's xD

[@Discsforbaskets]

Notice you didn't show footage of the ones being shown around the capital by the police. Why is that?

[@olemanyounger5040]

Good point Glen bringing up Prigozhin in Russia. What happened to the ring leaders of that insurrection? Oh yeah, they're dead.

[@bertthompson4748]

Why does that matter? Can you draw a link?

[@olemanyounger5040]

@@bertthompson4748 It was stupid for Glenn to bring it up as an insignificant Russian event, given the Russians thought it was significant enough to kill the leaders of Wagner and disband the unit. Also flexing about Russians "Crushing" the insurrectuonists in just 12 hours isn't true. Prigozhin and his men left peacefully, they weren't crushed by russians. The link is Glenn trying to desperately obfuscate the obvious fact that Jan. 6th was an insurrection.

[@bertthompson4748]

@@olemanyounger5040 oh i see. I didnt get that from your original comment. I thought you meant it was a good point to say "trump wasnt murdered like prigozhin so it cant have been a true coup". Thanks for clarifying

[@stinkydinkybuttmuffin9693]

What a deranged comment, Glenn was saying the Wagner rebellion was an actual coup. Now your suggesting that this was a bad decision from Glenn’s perspective as it introduces the possibility of trump’s rightful punishment?…death? It’s an evil world that I share a country with the likes of you. Destiny was humiliated by Glenn.

[@Genarii]

What happened to the ring leaders of the Confederacy? This was somewhat addressed during this very debate.

[@Pustul]

Another point I wish Destiny made is that while it’s obvious that a few thousands people will not overthrow the government of the USA by themselves, their goal was to prevent the counting of the votes and to incite Pence and other politicians not to certify the election which could ultimately result in a coup.

[@LizStaples]

The Oathkeepers/Proud Boy ect alliance, used the crowd to gain entry and as cover. They had planned to catch Pence or other Congress people and aides hold them hostage. Once they had hostages they would call their reinforcements to distribute weapons cached nearby to the crowd and hold the capital till Trump could be installed. When they failed to secure hostages the whole plan fell apart but that doesn’t change that the plan was there and they tried to implement it.

[@mikeb1596]

They wanted a 10 day investigation before certification. Conveniently, the fake pipe bomb is what caused the evacuation from the chambers(not the protesters), which immediately forced an emergency session to eventually take place which eliminated the chance for an investigation.

[@James-hm8tq]

Exactly, if it got sent back to the states that day, I would have been a huge day for trump. It was a huge step in a coup.

[@Xornicus]

​@@James-hm8tq conservatives will NEVER face the mirror on that

[@gg-uq6zm]

1:55:47 “ Prestigious lawyers like Rudy Giuliani” 💀

[@wahh3074]

R agedlikemilk

[@rainmaker6261]

Lol and this is why Glenn goes out of his way to explain the history of Rudy Guiliani to Destiny and his crew of brain dead children who believe history began in 2016. Rudy Giuliani has been on this planet for 80 years. He was a widely respected lawyer and mayor for far more of those 80 years than he has been broady scorned, a very recent phenomenon.

[@seamusmcavey3826]

@realrudygiuliani worth a follow

[@davidsaraclark3739]

You know Giuliani was like, the batman of prosecutors in his early life, right?

[@ssj4punkrocker]

This comment is fine example of the American education system

[@timwhite5562]

I love watching Destiny googling everything that comes up. I'd wager it's "how to defend against 'X' in a debate."

[@mikelitoris774]

Glenn doesnt know what the whiskey rebellion was, that is very clear

[@jasonmorgan27]

Neither do I, does that change the fact that this was just a protest though? It amazes me how the Government is ass pounding 100% of the citizens and 50% ask for more. People are sick of this shit and these criminals.

[@meijiishin5650]

@@jasonmorgan27 It's important because it wasn't "just a protest". It's called the whiskey REBELLION in the modern day, and it was called the whiskey INSURRECTION until the 1860's. People at the time thought it was an insurrection, yet it involved only 600 people and only 5 died. The point is that Glenn's argument of there needing to be more death, more people, and more chance of success falls apart with this example because none of those conditions were met and it was still known by name as an insurrection.

[@jackpaul3315]

You had to google it… dont lie

[@jasonmorgan27]

@@meijiishin5650 and? so? people are fing pissed bro, that is the bottom line. This government is infected with criminals that walk around with impunity like Kings and Queens. Quit trying to overcomplicate this thing, it was a protest of really pissed off people that have had enough.

[@Why_Do_We_need_These_Handels]

Nobody does😂😂😂 that's why the Zionist brought it up

[@Impervious11]

I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed by this one. I think Glenn's arguments are pretty weak as they mostly amount to "who cares" and "it wasn't a big deal" but I think more time should have been exploring why Destiny thinks it *is* a big deal, rather than arguing over semantics. I think it happened once near the end where Destiny asked about a scenario in which the protestors actually reached the congressmen and harmed/killed them, but the debate had devolved so much at that point and Destiny didn't seem too interested in breaking that down. So much effort was put into the word "insurrection" instead of why what happened is really bad for our country and why Trump is culpable. I think it would have also been better to further explore what level of expectations we should have for the president. Rather than trying to argue with people who say "we can't know what he was actually thinking", why not ask what is a reasonable level of expectation for the president. Did Trump do enough to verify the claims he was making? Obviously not, but I think it would be more effective to show that he ignored so many credible people who he appointed or were on his side, and he sought out the "truth" he wanted. That is really dangerous, and is a key distinction when someone says "well people around him were telling him there was fraud." I know Destiny touched on that a bit, but again I think that's worth exploring further and again putting it in the context that this is the president of the United States, not some guy on the street who we hope will approach the country's interests in good faith. That all said, the part I was most disappointed with, which Glenn rightly called out, were all the times Destiny had to proclaim how he is so right about things, and how no one sees it the same way as Glenn. Glenn is right, clearly many people do see it the same way he does. Clearly many people do think it's not a big deal, sadly. The whole point of the debate is to convince them, so when condescending remarks are made about how wrong he is, how he's not using any facts, how he's a partisan hack, and how nobody agrees with him, then the people who *do* agree with him are going to hear that and be majorly turned off. Hate his views all you want, and again I think many of his arguments are weak, he's still a fairly reasonable and educated person who is willing to engage with the topic. Destiny treated him like he was your average conservative moron who jumps into discord for a casual conversation, which was clearly not the case. He got a lot of credit for his more even-handed approach with Ben, but this debate was a regression to how he used to debate so many people. Talk down on them, repeatedly pronounce how wrong they are, say they're scared, say they don't engage with facts, etc. This was one of Destiny's weaker debates in recent memory, and it could have been a really great one.

[@gianthills]

wrong

[@NastazyaPhylipovnaTchornaya]

​@@gianthillsThank you -:) the previous comment was all over the place, from legal arguments about mens rea, which are irrelevant, to who was mean to whom to Ben Shapiro to basically utter inability to think straight. Thanks for the laugh 😂

[@ashen_two]

The fact that this is the absolute pinnacle of what conservatives bring to discourse about January 6th is TERRIFYING.

[@SaltyCorpsman]

I agree, my party should really let this die. Call it what it was. They should be using this as a point to show how the application of the law is one sided. Denounce anyone that was part of this insurrection, but point out the similar activities from left wing radicals that go ignored, unpunished or even cheered in by elected democrats. Not trying to be a what about-ist, but it’s clear it occurs and causes a lot of the division we see among the population.

[@ashen_two]

​@@SaltyCorpsmanI just don't see a real purpose for that beyond simply making conservatives feel a little better about J6. You say "similar activities" like any "leftist" American protest has ever been remotely similar to this. This event was wholly unique and suggesting other parties have participated in "similar activities" only serves to water down the gravity of J6 as a comfort to Trump supporters. We should not be dealing in comforting words to those who would gladly have overthrown the government.

[@SaltyCorpsman]

@@ashen_two I disagree, obviously haha. The point should be to call out illegal behavior when it’s illegal. Shouldn’t matter the politics. Perhaps you missed the summer of love? The fires and rioting in the capitol from left wing groups? Yes, there has been large(r) scale violence from the left during trump’s administration, which were largely downplayed by media outlets and cheered on by left wing legislators. It’s is a tired talking point from right wing pundits? Absolutely, but give the devil his due. They aren’t wrong. Is Jan 6th novel? In many ways, yes I would agree that it was. We should certainly punish those that committed crimes. That includes any that Trump can be proven guilt of too, even if that disqualifies him to run. Fair is fair. The man himself said we are a nation of laws. I’m just saying that should apply no matter which side of politics you are on. As Americans, this is something we should all agree on. What I mostly see are people on the right downplaying Jan 6th, and people on the left downplaying the months of rioting we saw just prior to the election. Both sides are wrong on this matter. Remember, these people aren’t our leaders, they work for us. Americans need to stop letting them tell us what to think just because we are on ‘their side’. Idc who someone votes for, that doesn’t tell me anything meaningful about who that person is.

[@SaltyCorpsman]

@@ashen_two hmm I thought I had responded to this. Edit: I did, just in a different thread here.

[@SaltyCorpsman]

@@ashen_two Like destiny said, this has been the first time people entered the capitol to stop a presidential election certification. In that regard, there is nothing like it. However, it would be wildly out of touch to say this is a first time that a mob has entered government buildings to prevent other governmental processes. Happens a lot more often than I bet most people are aware of. Now, it’s true most of the time protesters aren’t killed in the process, but it does happen. In fact we’ve seen police stations, courthouses and IIRC an elected official’s home burned down from left wing riots/protests. What I didn’t see from the right wing was elected officials going on tv and cheering it on. I think it is fair to ask for equal treatment for both political crazies. I think it important to call out the unhinged people within our own parties. Maybe you don’t see the similarities, and that’s fine, I don’t think you’re evil, or stupid or hold malice. It’s just a matter of opinion.

[@Mackahroney]

I came to comment section to see how many people havent seen the whole debate and decides to choose destiny as the winner haha i dont even follow eli and i saw the debate in my feed somehow. Destiny lost this one, im surprised he reposted it here

[@arunsalwan8558]

i want Biden and harris to exactly what trump attempted and hear Greenwalds opinion

[@JobVanDam]

Biden already tried to circumvent the law, twice, with student loan debate forgiveness. Even tho the Supreme Court told him he can't he did it anyway. He also tried to force companies to force vaccines on their employees. The right complained and said it was bad but we didn't say its a coup and this is a historical moment.

[@Professionallayman]

Biden and Harris both supported the russian collusion narative, which considering destinys conveniently loose definition of insurrection, would apply. It's also worth mentioning that while Biden was VP, he verbatim said that it was a good thing that the US was getting less white. Not a neutral thing, no, a "good" thing, something to celebrate. his words. Imagine voting for a psychopath like that.

[@seankenny1275]

who?

[@lc7173]

​@@seankenny1275 he means he'd would love to see the reaction if the roles were reversed. Imagine if Biden and Kamala Harris had said what Trump said to a group of protesters and they had attacked the capital while cheering for the deaths of Trump and other Republicans. I'm willing to bet my life that Greenwald would be shitting and cumming on how it was a terrible stain on democracy from the leftists. But since it's the right who did it, he breaks his back to down play the attack.

[@markalan804]

It would b the same.. he is not a partisan hack like destiny.. Glenn is call Israel war criminals

[@woojoow]

I love how Glenn's entire argument about the Dems covering up J6 footage relies on the fact that they didn't release footage in the committee which was just alternate angles of footage we'd all already seen on J6 itself. Any of us who were watching the news saw plenty of footage ON THAT DAY of capitol police leading J6ers around through doors and shit. Glenn's created an entire conspiracy theory out of the fact that the committee wouldn't included more footage of the same shit we'd all already seen, that wouldn't have done anything to alter the already-understood context of the event anyway.

[@georgekolton9059]

You're absolutely right! I'm actually dismayed at how some people made the "issue" out of this that they did. It would be the equivalent of having a video recording of someone intentionally plowing their car into a crowd of people, and then having clowns like Carlson suggesting that there was some conspiracy against the driver because they didn't also show the few seconds earlier, in which the driver didn't plow into anybody...yet...as if that somehow changes the bottom line of what ultimately happened. It's absurd....

[@ddubya4097]

@@georgekolton9059 I like your analogy, but in something like that, every ounce of footage prior to that of this person driving would be scoured and analyzed to the hilt. Their coworkers would be interviewed and social media nit picked over to detect any evidence of pre planning and motive. Turns out the driver suffered a heart attack and lost all control as to why they plowed into the crowd. Do you think I’m wrong about this? Brian Sicnick was pronounced dead from wounds suffered by being bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher, oh but wait, turns out if you watch the footage not released, he is fine and well. Whoops, turns out he died the next day of a stroke. Context matters and all the footage shows it for what it really was, and that is a “Mostly Peaceful Protest”.

[@rednblack7856]

1. DESTINY calling Glenn a partizan hack is insane... Destiny is literally a mouthpiece for the Democrat establishment .. no one tows the line as much as Destiny does . The fact that Destiny thinks he is an objective mind in all of this says how delusional and disingenuous he is. 2. Obviously, it was a cangaroo court, but since Destiny is an extreme partizan hack .. he shrugs all the questionable acts the democrats do under the rug or justifies everything they do. 3. Deatiny tactics of throwing under the table insults to Glenn wa spretty weak. 4. Destiny doing the Trump mind reading and reacting caracture versions of trump is not a good and convincing argument... It's just an extreme form of TDS. 5. A proteat is not an insurecction. If someone really thinks that angry people with flags can storm the capital and take over the country is an insane argument. 6. In conclusion, Destiny came off as a wild unhinged partisan player that needs to throw insults left and right.. all in all, poor from Destiny. 7. Glenn more reasonable approach made him have the better arguments. 8. Results ..Destiny is Establishment shill - Glenn is an independent thinker

[@orionide4032]

I think you should work on your grammar skills.

[@BA-wt1gl]

@@orionide4032 him points is good

[@Vorse_Raider]

It is absolutely batshit WILD that Glenn is out here defending a coup because it only lasted three hours. Most successful coups are quick. What if it had succeeded Glenn? Would he still say that it wasn't that bad because it was only three hours?? Jesus.

[@LanceLegend]

"Not thousands, two thousand" ... wow, no words for this

[@mrmr2488]

This is how dishonest you people are. Saying “thousands” to any reasonable person implies a lot more than that. There is a reason we have words like a “couple” or a “few”. Thousands is intentionally used to alters peoples perspective. Or maybe that’s just me. I would say “a couple thousand”. Not THOUSANDS with tons of emotion and emoting. But maybe I’m just different idk.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@mrmr2488 Your subjective use of the English language doesn't change it's meaning. Someone with 2 million is still has millions.

[@mrmr2488]

@@user-lh7mt7zo7l True but to pretend that exclaiming very loudly “THOUSANDS” doesn’t imply a lot more than a couple thousand, is just being dishonest. That’s a theatrical use of language to inflate, in the listeners mind, how big of a deal it all was.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@mrmr2488 You're acting like 2000 people isn't a big deal. 1000 or hell even 500 are a big deal so yeah exclaiming "THOUSANDS" makes sense because Glenn is clearly downplaying the situation.

[@respectfulgamer7232]

Yeah, I think it's just you. I commonly hear/read the word "thousands" intended to mean 2 thousand as well as 10 or 100's of thousand.@@mrmr2488

[@brainstewX]

2;38pm, 30 minutes after the capitol was breached, Donald Trump tweeted: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” Destiny: Yah but that doesn't count because he didn't tell them to go home. He told them to stay but be peaceful. Derp. Me made good point.

[@itryesitr8053]

So we're going to conveniently ignore the fact he encouraged them to start an insurrection beforehand? Smartest trump supporter

[@brainstewX]

@itryesitr8053 We'll conveniently ignore the thing you made up, yes. Telling people to march peacefully isn't encouraging an insurrection. Smartest TDS cultist.

[@itryesitr8053]

@@brainstewX Not made up. Trump kept yelling to his base that the election was rigged and how Pence can stop it. Him saying peacefully one time after all the incitement does not excuse all that. You can accept the facts or keep coping

[@brainstewX]

@@itryesitr8053 Nothing you said qualifies under the law as incitement to imminent lawless action. The fact is that he told people to march peacefully. You have to ignore what he said, and then add in things he never said, in order for your argument to work.

[@itryesitr8053]

@@brainstewX It absolutely does. And Glenn failed to prove otherwise

[@Shlumpledink]

Greenwald talking about what a "real coup" or "real insurrection" is feels like someone saying a certain type of music isn't really music

[@luthercorp]

Destiny accusing people of cherry picking jan6 clips… makes us sit through 5 minutes of January 6th cherry-picked clips before watching the debate.

[@moonlemon09]

Wait so you think the clips at the start of the video are fake? Or do you think because there is other footage of the event that means what's captured in those clips is meaningless? I'd love to hear a legitimate explanation of what you're attempting to get at.

[@aod_derekjeter4493]

It means he found the morons in the crowd and posted their videos on this video. Its not a hard concept. He did a tucker himself. ​@moonlemon09

[@ddubya4097]

The more hilarious comment was Destiny talks only about the .1% of video that the Jan6 committee released as the only narrative that matters, but when 100% of the video is released, Tucker is selectively nit picking?

[@patticake5367]

The half-hour segment on Glenn's channel has people glazing him in the comments.

[@woodman24222]

Welcome to KZbin😂

[@tristenatorplaysgames6833]

He only posted half an hour?

[@theomnidegenerate5236]

@@tristenatorplaysgames6833 you would too if you got bodied this hard😂 he was a joke

[@BingusMax]

Well yeah, thats usually how it works.

[@thatman6488]

Yes, and this comment section is glazing Destiny. Your point?

[@themrch4oskol206]

I think it would be wise for destiny to maybe be a bit less dramatic in his speech. I think he once or twice exaggerated a number, giving Glenn the opportunity to focus on that rather than address the point. Love yall and have a great day!

[@felipec]

That's all Destiny is: a show.

[@meijiishin5650]

@@felipec Yes. That's why he streams all of his research publicly and has a disagreements channel where people are only allowed to talk to him on stream if they disagree with him. Because he only cares about putting on a show. /s

[@maynardsrevenge]

Agree, not that I could do better. On this subject I've noticed Destiny doing that a lot. For example claiming if you disagree with him, you are "on an island" alone and that NOBODY else agrees with you (which Glenn rightly called out as being false), and saying that literally everyone close to to Trump told him he was wrong and had no recourse when in fact several closest and most respected legal/advisors (up to that point) had provided him ostensibly legal avenues to continue contesting the election, which he believed was stolen (even if wrong).

[@felipec]

@@meijiishin5650 do you understand what a biased sample is?

[@DavidJones-ot8qu]

@@felipecElaborate on how that applies here

[@MacA60230]

first time I saw actual videos of jan 6, damn your country is crazy guys

[@cptcanton8203]

Well considering the message that Destiny is trying to portray, there are a lot of videos of January 6th not presented in this video. The media and authorities surrounding the January 6th narrative have been doing their best to try to keep the narrative that it was an insurrection and Trump and his supporters are bad. The more info that comes out..., the truth does not match up with the narrative.

[@tunnelsloth5948]

The crazier part is half the country says nothing happened that day and it was a guided tour.

[@Jockito]

​@@tunnelsloth5948I'm trying to think of the last guided tour I went on when someone smeared literal human sh*t on the walls...nothing comes to mind so far