Inside Mercedes' controversial F1 wheel rims

[@mindofmyown333]

Isn’t innovation like this the whole point of competitive motorsport? You come up with ideas to beat the competition that falls within the rule book while pushing the envelope

[@alecwalker449]

youd think so but mazda crushed at lemans with a rotary and everyone else pissed and moaned. nascar banned "aero" cars like the superbird while ford was working on one. it comes down to innovation comes second and making losers feel good comes first

[@Ozem_Israel]

Just my opinion,but f1 could be doing 300 mph by now,they purposely slowed them down for years and mostly I'm just glad they let the wider wheels come back at all. But it's pretty much a spec race now because when someone does come up with something it becomes controversial. Anyone remember the bendy front wings on the red bull?

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

No, not really. Innovation like this, yes. Innovation like this, in the manner they did it, no. I wouldn't say they're cheating per se, but they are dipping into things that aren't covered RIGHT NOW. That's where the weirdness is coming from. if the season rules involved using rims for airflow, this would be a nonissue. Everyone would be doing it. It's an issue of timing, more than actual cheating. Remember, the sport is all about technological advancements. They need data from real world test beds(cars) to make sure things work, and they need some regularity to make sure that data isn't tainted. when you introduce new and other things, you can't get a good read on the data you originally wanted.

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

@@Ozem_Israel I don't understand why you would make f1 300mph even if we could. Let f1 be what it was designed to be, and make a new class for the 300mph vehicles. duh. lol ;)

[@Ozem_Israel]

NiceWhenEarned RudeMostlyElse they when already going. 230 mph in the v10's if unchecked they would have kept pushing. F1 was supposed to be about who has the best with less rules than they have now. Keep your duh.

[@kcfish4862]

Man, back in the days when teams actually compete by inventing even better designs, those were the good days

[@larrygall5831]

Yeah. Now it's like listening to an E.U. political meeting discussing their next political meeting. I think there are some people involved in this that really don't need to have the job. I think they should loosen just a bit and let some interesting stuff (innovating again).. and draw some new fans in. It just seems like racing is getting too boring with all of this.. it's like attack of the clones out there. God forbid someone gets an edge with clever engine design, it'll never happen when they're making a big deal about a rim spacer.

[@kcfish4862]

@J D well I know that skill is a essential part of F1, newer technology that are there to solely increase the car performance (not like abs and whatnot where the car is improved by assisting the driver) also requires the driver to be more skilled to handle

[@ericwallace1470]

Oh I member

[@KarimAkors]

well they always tryd to bypass te regulations, the driffrents from the past and today is they now prohibbiting things that had never the chance to be run on Real race. Remember the BMW F1 Turbo car 1986what had nearle double the horsepower than everone else.. bam turbos were banned. or the automated aerodynamic system that changes in every corner what ends in unbelivable cornerspeeds and topspeeds. banned^^ i have to googel it but back than i think it was Lotus or was that senna with his active suspension system...whatever F1 today cart races are better if you ask me Formula E new lands new horizons ^^

[@jasonleungis]

Remember when mclaren made the extra break pedal in the 90’s?

[@bubblebuster6813]

We need to stop calling these things tricks, the idea is to come up with improvements to hell performance. It’s not a trick when others can’t figure it out, it’s smart.

[@KXP70]

I feel it's more of a nuanced meaning of the word trick when used as per the video title.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

I feel they used the word "trick" because of the way Hamilton commented about the Ferraris after Spa, I think it was a bit of a nod to that.

[@andreipavel1463]

What about Ferrari and it's double sensor from FIA? Ferrari was smart and they got punished for it,Mercedes didn't.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

@@andreipavel1463 Well, why would Mercedes be punished if the rims are legal? (according to the FIA).

[@KXP70]

@@andreipavel1463 I lost brain cells reading that.

[@larrylentini5688]

this ridiculous over-regulation and performance leveling is why nobody watches racing anymore.

[@droceretik]

www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-attendance-figures-hit-four-million-in-2017.A1haq5GkLe6SKsyya22Ia.html Live spectator numbers were up 8.77% and reached over 4 million in 2017. Television viewers are over 100 million. Nobody is watching racing anymore........really?

[@RemKingston]

@@droceretik Access and population increase. I would like to see figures of "Repeatedly watching season to season" figures

[@vangoghsear628]

@@RemKingston wow it's as any increase in viewership can be attributed to a reason

[@MichelLinschoten]

You must be American, i mean nobody is this dumb lol

[@larrylentini5688]

​@@MichelLinschoten You must be too young to know what F1 was like in the 60's-80's. What we have today is a snooze fest, for most types of racing.

[@MrGunsnrosesfan100]

F1 team: *innovates* FIA: No .

[@cyanwise3024]

FIA said it was legal

[@ivangamer8022]

it's like that you incentivate innovation.. u brainlet

[@xxDxxism]

Nah its more like RB protests

[@masonmills1499]

I hate when they try to limit innovation. Keep everything even for everyone forever, and also here are some more rules. At this rate in ten years everyone will be driving the same car, tech, tires, and wheels. The sport is quickly just becoming a bunch of people getting mad about not having an idea first and b*tching about it... Sad. It should go back to who has the best engineers and drivers IMO...

[@pg1171]

NASCAR already that. That's why I gave up on it and decided to go with only F1 and LeMans series.

[@matojxr1]

"Nahhh mate. You are too fast for us. Give us your secrets so we can keep up or GTFO." Basically that.

[@ipullstuffapart]

Agreed, Formula 1 is the sport designed to demonstrate technical advancement and to show how ridiculously fast cars can be. The concept of the other teams complaining about this is ridiculous, innovate yourself!

[@MDFishTanks]

No no no. This will then just become about who can spend the most. Before you know it there will just be a few teams and F1 will be no more. The current strategy forces engineers to be even more clever and evolve technology that eventually has real world application. Much better for the sport.

[@wangruochuan]

in that case, the lower ranked team will get booted out pretty quick since they dont have all the money to burn. you gon end up having about 4-5 team competing if thats what you want

[@lmcc8798]

The non-formula fan would think teams get points for whining, not winning.

[@frostyab7579]

Ifthat was the case, Ferrari would be the undisputed champion for the last ten years.

[@cowpker4life333]

@@frostyab7579 its the only thing they race in anymore because they got there ass handed to them to many times else where 50years ago.

[@dhavalbhandari5554]

just started watching f1 recently and this comment is pretty accurate so much complaining in f1

[@JimBobe]

@Nobody Knows nobody knows

[@theerepenterakatheecomfort277]

ur correct i was a fan till i learned all they do is win by whinning so ur right on

[@wawingnut1]

The new guy seemed so nervous ☺️ he was really good though!!!

[@Mrtweet81]

Craig Nolan I struggle with anxiety so I pick up really well on other people’s nervousness. I felt he was nervous at the start but got more comfortable at the end. But it’s absolutely normal to be nervous during your first video interview, He did a great job explaining the technicalities of the wheels which he was there to do.

[@manicmute9440]

@Me You You're the prick here.

[@Shibagaesski]

Me You , your a joke

[@MrMiD.Life.Crisis]

I watched some coverage from '97 f1 season when Martin Brundle first started commentating. During Quali for the first round in Australia it was like listening to a completely different guy. Luckily he had Murray the absolute legend with him. You would never think he could go from that shy/nervous guy to the guy charging down the grid grabbing hold of ppl for quick chats. He is my fav commentator tho so i may be slightly biased!! Im sure this guy will settle in, its only then that personality comes accross. Hope everyones good.

[@BikingVikingHH]

His explanation was shit, and uncorrelated to the on screen graphics.get these nerds Off the fucking TV, and get somebody with a real world personality and experience on the screen please.

[@gna104191]

In the future FIA might as well make every team race the exact same car, tuned to the exact same specs, and replace drivers with the exact same racerbots. That way they can finally succeed in stopping people from watching

[@molobot2529]

But how would Ferrari win then?

[@SideComment24]

@@molobot2529 if they are all equal, just put Ferrari on 1st of the grid at the starting line. Tho that would be if Ferrari is willing to pay more than everybody else for the position.

[@molobot2529]

@@SideComment24 Ferrari wouldn't even have to pay because NoBoDy WoUlD wAtCh FoRmUlA oNe WiThOuT fErRaRi

[@99percenter1]

That's helping NASCAR lose its fan base. Edit: But without racerbots.

[@foolspeedahead]

Longest Dyson commercial ever.

[@brainmind4070]

talentedmangina Nah, if I had to guess, I'd say Dyson definitely bought at least one of those 30-minute infomercial spots.

[@foolspeedahead]

Brain Mind I think only the fake Dyson made by Shark does the infomercials.

[@brainmind4070]

talentedmangina Well, I had to guess since I don't know, so you might be right!

[@RennieAsh]

Do you think it sucked?

[@ihateeverything3972]

Embrace the succ. Nice bike btw

[@mattward7168]

The new guy smashed it, well done mate couldn't have been easy :)

[@vinniecocco9932]

True

[@JustaMinor12]

@@tfolmer1234 wut

[@op3l]

New tech guy, you're awesome. Be more confident.

[@nategmaycock9398]

Indeed

[@Montross]

How can you be more confident when you are guessing?

[@4G12]

I'll rather he be genuine then feign confidence.

[@brodyofhillcountry4050]

I think he just needed some rehearsal time.

[@warrenphillips69]

It will come with time

[@MegaFPVFlyer]

points should be awarded for the smallest engineering details that result in the most controversy. Ferrari appears to be in the lead with their camera cooling bag.

[@-BuddyGuy]

Red bull have a duct in their seat that diverts Max Verstappen's farts into the diffuser. His drinks bottle contains jalapeno juice

[@MegaFPVFlyer]

@@-BuddyGuy So *THAT'S* what they meant by F-Duct.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

@@-BuddyGuy I´m sure those farts go directly to Ricciardo´s engine and makes it explode every race.

[@DursunX]

Curious Cat 🔱 *comment of the month* 🔱

[@ceruleax6155]

McLaren's tyre positioners, literally arrows that point where to put the front left And right tire And are pulled by some wire. Nice tech! Haha i laughed when i saw it

[@tnrosbergb]

Mercedes: comes up with innovation FIA: wait, that’s illegal

[@rayZeFaraH]

It's not controversial , it's proper yo be called " Invention " .. brilliant team with brilliant solutions

[@phattygoodness7347]

@ductor knurl Well, that may be true...IDK. But I do know that its freaking stupid. Any effort to keep the brakes cool keeps them from fading and increases the safety to the driver. How can that be bad?

[@phattygoodness7347]

@ductor knurl I dont believe they've broken the rules because it's not in the spirit of the rules' intent. Its creative engineering. "Necessity is the mother of invention", and no innovation that errs in favor of safety should ever be shelved for the sake of aerodynamic "violations" that are ambiguous at best. Just my .02 cents. Thanks!

[@phattygoodness7347]

@ductor knurl Foolishness. No different than the EPA or DEP within the US Governnent. Fine organizations that have lost their way and their cause. Too much time spent on asserting their "rules" against common sense and the minutia of the rule's intent. Too many bureaucrats imposing their will to justify their existence. Use it or lose it. Sad...

[@ILLUDIUM_Q_36]

Causation doesn't actually mean correlation. The design isn't a mechanical device with a set intended purpose. Banning this design is equivalent to banning the spoiler. They both deflect air based on design not the actuation of independent device attached to the car.

[@iliovecaRS]

Agree

[@DeerHunter308]

The fact that these rims are "controversial" is why I have not given one rat turd about formula one in years. Remember the days when the cars actually looked different???

[@UnitSe7en]

When have F1 cars of the same era ever looked different? I'm a fan of 90's F1, but only a casual observer today. F1 is being regulated to literal death, the tracks are boring and the cars are ugly. But aside from minor aero, minor dimensional differences, etc, I can't think of a time when they ever looked different to each other... That's kind of the point of the discipline. You have a format that you have to stay within with your design?

[@billallen4793]

@@UnitSe7en 50's-early 80's it was a great time....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠

[@Paul-pj5qu]

You make s better point than some others. Maybe over regulation means the best teams spend huge money for modest innovation to exploit the rules fur tiny advantages that win but are otherwise not worth much. For example this alleged advantage may have cost s fortune to come up with a execute, but it's of little too no value outside of F1. But if you doesn't the same money on engine innovation outside the current rules, may be things of real value outside F1 would result. This is probably why some manufacturers spent their money with Lemans LM1.

[@HrHaakon]

Will we at some point get F1 Group B? "Just go fast lads" and that's about it? I can imagine the fireballs and innovation.

[@Derpy-qg9hn]

every other motorsports fan proceeds to diss it because not every engine sounds like a petrol-guzzling banshee, and it proceeds to kill at least 25% of its own drivers :P

[@jayryan3181]

Perfect

[@PA551ON]

Ok. We can do that. Under one condition. You have to be the one who go to the drivers families and kids when they die in said "fireballs" and try to convince them how cool it is now that their dad/husband is dead.

[@thestrippingharibo2370]

@@PA551ON they sign up for it. You gonna bitch and cry when a mma fighter gets killed too? Low safety regulations and clear contracts with the consequences.

[@pat_7267]

But...i noticed no one talks about the plume of hot exhaust air under the ferarris' rear wing...they are the only cars who have that...they are definitely stalling the rear wing and no one has said a thing yet!!!...

[@keoncheung4750]

Haven’t you heard? FIA = Ferrari International Assistance

[@Kombat_Wombat]

What about Renault?

[@Redbaron_Gaming]

@simon lloyd Found the Nas-tard!

[@dafff08]

can someone explain whats with the fuss about aerodynamics? isnt it the point to be more efficient than anyone else? if its about equality why not let bots drive and give every team the same exact car...

[@axipixel5811]

Well, sadly, giving every team the exact same car is the entire point of the regulations these days.

[@afish8883]

If the costs are a problem and they are a big enough advantage that most if not all of them basically have to run them then this can become and issue.

[@robleurni8420]

It’s impressive how he managed to say all this about the rims without seeing any graphics while talking

[@JonathanCorwin]

I just find it odd that the FIA/Charlie Whiting can say something is OK, but a protest to the stewards could potentially overturn this. Can't the teams get a definitive answer from the stewards first? It's as if F1 wants teams to be disqualified after the race, as per Haas.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

The Haas case is quite different, their floor was illegal, it was their mistake not reading the rules properly since the part that was illegal was quite obvious (the front plate has a specific round corner with a specific radius, they choose to not have the round corners and have the barge-boards attach directly to that part, that is illegal). The problem was that the FIA gave them a timeframe they were unable to comply because they don´t have their own factory, they have to wait for Dallara to build the new floors. But in the end, it was Haas mistake by not reading the rules properly. I agree that the FIA should have a final say on the legality of each piece if they investigated them prior to be installed, if the piece is greenlighted by the FIA, then the stewards should not have a say, unless they find that the piece installed is different from the one the FIA greenlighted (which seems pretty obvious).

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

Teams protesting over advanced Air flow for a rim........Air flow to a rim.......yea. lmao. What a bunch of little pansies!

[@alessiosem2238]

This solution had already been rejected on redbull in 2012 because out of regulation. Mercedes has proposed them again knowing that they were still out of regulation and the FIA ​​has made it wrong by allowing them to use them in some GPs. In the GPs in which the holes were open the Mercedes did not suffer from blistering and excessive heating of the tires with a consequent drop in performance, when the holes were closed they suffered the aforementioned problems. The rules MUST apply to everyone and mercedes has proved to be clever at the limit of the illegal while the FIA has been ​​unable to enforce the regulation to the letter. The regulations apply to everyone not one except neither for Mercedes, which obviously has the most significant weight on FIA.

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

lol. next the wing pansies will be saying 'no flow over wings', right? you're an idiot. you're suggesting that cheating on a minor level is acceptable. fuck your life.

[@millinom]

@@alessiosem2238 yeah but the point is, why is it even a rule. If it's related to safety, then fine. If it's related to inhibiting innovative design because it gives an advantage, then it's bull shit.

[@chanderson2559]

@@millinom by that same token, most rules are bullshit in your opinion. there are restrictions to keep teams competetive.

[@AusExplorer]

@@chanderson2559 most rules are bullshit. if people want even vehicles the go play with gokarts or AUScars or something where everyone gets the same vehicle, F1 should be about pushing innovation and the rules should only be made and set based on safety factors, reliability and emissions/consumption levels. IE: design should be for keeping drivers safe, making all major parts last a season and only putting out X Kg of emissions per Km. If some povo team can't afford to compete at the pinnacle of motor sport then go back to F3 or FF or something.

[@FrontSideBus]

Typically, true to form, Ferrari miss a trick with some innovation and then try and get it banned...

[@eudofia]

You have to remember that Mercedes made FIA put some extra sensors on Ferrari's double batteries. So Ferrari is now keen on revenge. Tit for tad

[@FrontSideBus]

eudofia Indeed, but it’s suspicious that Ferrari lost their power advantage as soon as the sensor was installed... so they were obviously doing something they shouldn’t have been doing and yet the FIA took no action...

[@eudofia]

@@FrontSideBus That's right. The reason they are so angry. Just as when they lost the power advantage, Lewis was racking up the wins while Vettel was finishing 3rd or 4th. I bet Ferrari fancies the constructor's championship, so they will do anything to try and outscore Mercedes in the remaining races.

[@TheCookieRider]

@@FrontSideBus Also Mercedes got FIA into checking the Ferrari Halo Mirrors. It's not only ferrari doing this. Every team is trying to prevent progress of their opponent. Renault with Haas, Ferrari with Mercedes, Mercedes with Ferrari and so on.

[@FrontSideBus]

Highsider - Motovideos I think halo mounted mirrors actually look better but those extra winglets were obviously aerodynamic and not structural at they claimed.

[@markwarrington2788]

Good lord I was even nervous for him.

[@RobinDrooger]

I love your content, but just sit around a proper table. This leaning back on couches with awkward camera angles and nobody knowing what to do with their hands is a bit weird. It distracts from the genuinely good insight you have to offer.

[@roninblax]

🏳️‍🌈📣

[@scottielambert9312]

Buzz Killington

[@theerepenterakatheecomfort277]

nobody....you ohmygosh the hands arent on a table omg

[@BatBeardGames]

How about they lift some regulations, I want to see what ungodly speed they can muster out of these banned "aero" improvements.

[@blackhawks81H]

Nah M8 as much as I Agrre with you, they could never do that. Back in the late 80s early 90s, which is getting on 35 years ago the LMP cars at LeMans which aren't even open wheel were approaching speeds of 270mph...MPH in race trim on practice laps before they eventually put the chicanes in. I'm sure cars like the Porsche 962c and the Sauber Mercedes C9 could have easily topped 300 with minimum aero packages. And that's with 35 year old tech non open wheel cars. If you let F1 teams go full out no restrictions with today's tech, they'd probably be able to make cars that could hit 500+mph and still stick to the tracks around the corners. It would just become impossible for human drivers to survive the G forces in the turns. At this point they need a certain amount of regulations for sanitys sake because the tech has advanced light years beyond what human drivers bodies can react to/survive. I think the highest Gs pulled in any kind of racing these days is red bull air race pilots who've been known to pull +12g on occasion and remain conscious... Then again those guys make fighter pilots look like little girls considering they do all this 50 feet above the surface of the water. I belive they've begun instituting penalties for exceeding 10g though, again, for sanity sake. I do agree with you though. While some regulations are definitely needed they should calm it down a little bit with over regulating

[@larrygrogan4408]

What blackhawks81H is true. Technology has advanced beyond what the human body can endure. They built cars a LONG time ago that put excessive G’s on the car, and by excessive I mean they exceeded what a human could withstand without graying/blacking out, the cars could endure it but developers knew a human could NOT.

[@mrfreckles666]

As much as I'd love to see some crazy machines hitting crazy speeds it's kind of necessary to make it a competition between drivers and not between the cars themselves

[@tophan5146]

can't wait for AI races

[@Aereto]

@@tophan5146 Or better yet, the invention of Wipeout racing with innovation to levitation tech.

[@tonkatoytruck]

You never answered the real question. "If the FIA approved the design, why were Mercedes afraid that Ferrari would protest?" You so called experts do not know any more than we do.

[@absolutmarc4261]

I thought I was to blame for having a hard-time hearing you guys, until I realized KZbin automatic CC-sub-titles also can't hear much of what you say.

[@mauricemotors8207]

This is F1 we need more teams testing technologies to further F1 tech and Roadcar tech.

[@djsalose]

if any other team would do it they would ban it straight away..

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

put chevy in f1

[@ThatWolfWithShades]

@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Please don't.

[@DiscoR53]

What’s wrong with exploiting heat management.

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

DiscoR53 it could be defined as a moveable aerodynamic device.

[@DiscoR53]

Willy Lamb Please explain your position?

[@mattmoulton8537]

Nothing inherently wrong with it but I it becomes a problem if the added complexity/expense/design elements prohibit the other teams from capitalizing. If that's the case it just gives the more financially backed teams like Mercedes and Ferrari an even bigger advantage. So it should be officially addressed one way or another.

[@TheColinChapman]

@@willywillywillywillywilly Then the FIA has to ban rims. EVERY rim is rotating, and EVERY rim has air flowing though it. Then every rim - regardless of ist design - is a moveable aerodynamic device.

[@markmark5269]

Lol, uses the word "exploit" and is surprised there's a problem.

[@tomthompson7400]

i remember when there was even overtaking in f1 ,,, now its more interesting to watch the crowd than the race

[@MrWaffel]

It's not a question of innovation, it's a question of budget. It's so much harder to innovate better than your competitors when your competitors have twice the budget and already have an advantage. We're talking tens of millions of dollars in difference. That's why there are so many regulations. "Small" innovations like these cost millions that smaller teams don't have.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

The difference between the red bull design and Mercedes comes down to position: RB was running a blown axle which basically uses the air coming from the brakes and "spins" it, effectively closing the sides of the car (the "spinned" air helps the organized air between the chassi and this vortice stay in place, instead of bleeding outwards and ruining the effectiveness of the diffuser). The Mercedes rims can´t do this because it´s on the rear of the car, plus the amount of air that comes out of the rim doesn´t seem to make much of an impact aerodynamically. Ferrari is just playing their only card to stop Mercedes from winning the championship again, Mercedes just played it safe and didn´t run the rims after this to make sure those points wouldn´t be removed later on. And of course the new rim will have an impact, it was made to control the temperature of the tire and the blistering because of overheating, which is one of their problems most seasons, so by going back to the previous rim, those problems came back. But if it doesn´t have an impact in aerodynamics, Ferrari doesn´t have anything to hold on to. Because teams are allowed to let the air flow thru the rim for cooling, what they are not allowed is to use this air as an aerodynamic vortice to enhance the air flow thru the car, but that can only happen if it´s used in the front axle, frankly can´t see how they can do this using the rear axle.

[@piereligiodisante]

Active aerodynamics isn't only banned if affects aero in positive, but also for temperatures. Of course with the exception of the engine cooling.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

@@piereligiodisante What? That makes no sense, every bit of the car is made to monitor and actively control the temperatures of the brakes, tires and engine. It makes no sense the teams not being allowed to control the tire temperatures, which is key for success. What you cannot do is actively heat or cool down these elements (use a button to turn on some system that does this). They are allowed to cool down any component passively (which are basically what the rims do, they disperse heat from the tire thru the rim, without any active system). And yes, they can divert air thru the rim to help cooling it (which cools the tire) but they cannot gain aerdoynamic downforce on this, which is what is banned from the RB idea of 2012).

[@Zitr000ne]

@@The_Curious_Cat You seem very knowledgeable on this topic and I really liked your comments, but regardless of that, saying "thru" still makes you seem like a very unintelligent person...

[@identiticrisis]

@@The_Curious_Cat One way I could see this being aerodynamic is if it, say, pulls air out from under the car at the rear, or from in front of the rear wheel via the brake cooling ducts.

[@Rockymountain11]

@@Zitr000ne lol wtf why would you say that

[@sen5908]

This has been going on for years, it’s all about innovation in f1, they get a shed load of rules they must follow, and it’s upto the designers to look for any loopholes within the rules for that given year, think back to some of the f1 cars from the past 1) lotus twin chassis 2) brabham fan car (which was leagal but they managed to get it band) 3) mclaren two brake pedals 4) mclaren carbon fibre tub 5) Williams active suspension 6) brawn double diffuser 7) red bull blown diffuser 8) mclaren f duct 9) red bull flexing front wing 10)Ferrari semi automatic gearbox These are just a handful, it’s going on constantly in f1, they are basically inventors working to a rule book

[@rafaellastracom6411]

It's a conduction barrier to keep the brake heat away from the wheel. No big deal really.

[@TheLazyMoney]

Yeah did this need to be drawn out?

[@kylemcw8301]

Every team that is protesting over this..... needs to pipe down and put that energy into innovating rather than moaning! You wanna be the best....... you gotta do the best..... F1 is the pinnacle of technology.... so long may Mercedes or any other team for that matter continue to innovate like this!

[@billrussell7672]

You guys are missing the whole point See the Venturi The wheel is pulling a vacuum under the body. Just like the turbine cars

[@1331devils]

Great stuff, Jake. Fantastic addition to the channel. I love hearing about all the technological aspects of the cars, especially such current news!

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

This is why i stopped watching F1. Schumacher's retirement from Ferrari actually merged with the death of F1. FIA just neutered the sport. It used to be the source of the most exotic tech that comes to everyday cars ; stuff like ceramic brakes, carbon fiber, magnetic suspension, even the banned active suspension. Except for KERS nothing really comes out of F1 anymore, cos there actually isn't any real innovation. FIA is banning everything new and interesting. Also downsizing the sport doesn't help at all. In essence F1 now is an empty shell of greatest sport ever.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I gotta admit, those generators on the turbo are the one piece of F1 tech I would want to bolt into a production car next year. But yeah, not a lot of interesting development coming out of F1 in a long time. Crud, that Nissan front-wheel-drive GT-R with the through body aero tunnels is more interesting than anything that's come out of F1 in the last ... 20 years or more!

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

@@ScottKenny1978 I noticed the later years that the sport which has the best tech development is actually WEC. When we had Audi back in it, it used to be an epic 3-way with Toyota and Porsche and i remember thinking "God, this is some real intense shit; we have NA V8 with 1 kinds of hybrid sustem, next Turbo V6 with another kind of hybrid and lastly Turbo inline 4 with third kind of a hybrid and all of them are so close." This is the kind of entertainment i wanna watch. Cars using different methods to achieve the highest performance. And LMP1 cars nowdays are far more advanced than Formula 1 cars. They use a lot more downforce and are capable of incredible time; something which was impossible back when Formula 1 was discovering all of the new tech.

[@mikemills69]

"Through a series of holes if you like" they're holes all right, air despises non-holes.

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

Definitely a good addition with new guy.

[@aaronjohnson9755]

The "bumps" on the outer portion of the lip look like they function as heat sinks as well. Absorbing heat from the rim, and running colder air over it.

[@crimpcreep6887]

Mercedes re invented the wheel! The 935 did the same, not allowed to change Roofline, but nothing in the rules about Another Roof on top factory one. Legal Outlaw.

[@asambi69]

Similar to Volvo in BTCC they couldn't change the valve angle on there cylinder heads so they milled part of the head off to change the angle of the valves.

[@obryan876]

Can you please contact me with further information look me up on facebook Lucas Schmersey

[@crimpcreep6887]

Ducati had a Single Cylinder motorcycle for racing, they added an Extra Dummy Cylinder to even out rotating vibration of a single Cylinder. Was a V.

[@crimpcreep6887]

@@asambi69 Chevy 409?

[@crimpcreep6887]

Titanium half shafts on the 935 were over $200,000. Why most Privateers were subsidized by Miami Sugar. One guy who got caught by the DEA donated his 935 to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum. Tried to get it back after prison term was up. NOT! This was 80s $.

[@kencohagen4967]

The Corvette had wheels that drew air through them to cool the brakes. It's only logical that someone would want to improve on that technology.

[@jacksrandomadventures2769]

why complain when someone has a great idea.. use their idea and try to improve it .. should be thankful when new ideas are found.. im pretty sure its called progress

[@studioviper3016]

New guy is nervous but has the knowledge. It's easier to get more comfortable infront of the camera with practice/experience than it is for someone who's comfortable in front of the camera to quickly learn about tyre thermodynamics. Keep it up - looking forward to the next video with him in :)

[@_mw55_]

Who is watching this after Bottas pit stop failure at Monaco GP 2021?

[@TheNanawillslapyou]

A “Rim” is what you shoot a basketball at, a “Wheel” is what you mount a tire on...

[@FreeOnGoal]

Andy Reid has lost some weight since his time at Sunderland!

[@Smitsva]

Yes more of this in depth technical videos please;) Good job new guy!

[@goldennugget223]

New guy is awesome, a tad nervous but he'll get used to it I guess haha

[@AnyBodyWannaPeanut]

This was kind of an odd interview... It would have been nice to see a more standard wheel to understand what the differences were.

[@tristramgordon8252]

Great way to get to sleep at night, play this vid

[@davidelliott5843]

Air within a centrifugal pump is thrown outwards so we’d expect air to be pulled in through the centre hole rather than being pushed out as suggested by the diagram.

[@intheabyss2863]

okay... how do i buy them for myself?

[@SufferingAddict88]

4:45 what, the FIA "differentiates" when Merc does it? You mean like with wing-mirrors? Imagine my shock! Anyway, really good video. Well explained!

[@monolinkster]

Just use the old wheel fairings from the '08 cars

[@jxmint4458]

Tru, 08 is the best season for me

[@stephenlane9127]

Well done both, good presenter allowing the technical expert to explain at his pace his understanding. I like the approach!

[@juleskerstens4472]

That’s the reason that we say that Ferrari has bad strategy

[@MrTeff999]

Well that was eight minutes of stimulating conversation.

[@grantfraser6777]

Mercedes used these to win the championship and now are choosing not to run them just incase more people protest and then they get deemed illegal which would mean that the six races they ran these tyres and won consecutively would be invalid and would have to give the championship to ferrari. That is the only reason they have been deemed legal because it would cause too much drama in the sport and would be a big scandal. If they don't run this spec again this year it proves this is correct

[@TheCorrectionist1984]

It doesn't work that way

[@Sctch_Egg]

Same for Ferrari, spookily after Fia instructed them to fit extra sensors to their batteries suddenly their straight line power advantage dissapeared. Should we also take all the points off of Ferrari for the entire first part of the year?

[@federicocataldo2327]

@@Sctch_Egg nop because overall Ferrari's Power unit was more poserful than the Mercedes, and that battery innovation was pulled off immediatly So. Merc gained more points than Ferrari

[@Sctch_Egg]

You have missed my point completely, it would be ridiculous to strip Ferrari of points for something deemed legal. Exactly the same with Mercedes and their rims, they have been checked and deemed to be LEGAL by the FIA Technical dept.

[@federicocataldo2327]

@@Sctch_Egg legal? So why the pull It out? Because other say it's illegal=so it's illegal, and then i'll explain you my point

[@GargantuanMetal]

It's like Jeremy Clark said, "If you want to see amenities and features that will be on other cars for the next 10 years, go look at a current year Mercedes."

[@kashmir883]

Happy 100k

[@CheapSushi]

Really like the info and details being presented but I gotta say the setup and the seating positions for the speaker and host is really awkward.

[@Ugar333]

Loved it but get some plants boys.

[@robertbarta4912]

It amazes me how a few little holes can make such a huge difference in braking and tire temperatures and race outcome.

[@seliparjepun3909]

i would rather call it competitive innovation.

[@MrEugenio1994]

call it cheating, because there's no way this is not a moveable aerodynamic device.

[@natelav534]

Nearly every motorsport has been plagued by over regulation for so long. Regulation should be used to keep drivers safe. The entire point of racing is to build the most innovative fastest car...

[@fisheatsyourhead]

Until the richest team hoovers up all the developmental and driving talent and it becomes unwatchable because you know whose going to win *cough merc for 5 years cough*

[@natelav534]

@@fisheatsyourhead lmao youre the only one who actually gives a damn about the drivers winning then. Its about the cars its a car sport

[@coldgamer5631]

We all know why you are here right now :(

[@michaelbeyer6792]

I would also think with a cooler rim, they would also have more consistent tire pressures too, thus allowing them to run higher initial tire pressures and have optimum performance immediately after a pitstop.

[@KumRuzvalt93]

Ferrari does something in gray area on engine, FIA bans it after Merc complaint, Merc does something on gray area on wheels FIA doesn’t ban it

[@Sctch_Egg]

Only its not a gray area FIA have ruled it legal, therefore all other teams can use it. Strange you dont mention the ferrari battery situation earlier this year. Clearly using the batteries in a gray area it didn't get banned because ferrari stopped using it after FIA instructed more sensors, clearly Ferrari knew what they were doing was on the edge if not illegal so stopped it.

[@tcroft2165]

The FIA have said its legal and so have the only stewards asked. And the idea given the history of F1 that the FIA is anti Ferrari is comical.

[@kakerake6018]

f1 team: innovates FIA: am i a joke to you?.

[@andreipavel1463]

The interesting part is that Mercedes blocked this holes in the last 2 races and guess what happened:they had problems with the tyres and didn't perform well. Now you ask yourself how did Hamilton win this championship? FIA helps Mercedes so much. let's remember the double sensor on Ferrari. :D

[@yourerightmybad7363]

yeah, let's remember the banned mercedes suspension. you don't have long term memory deficit, do you?

[@TheColinChapman]

yea, it really is a pity the Ferrari cannot trick the rules anymore....

[@TheUlitamateStunt]

I've not been a fan of F1 for very long, but what I can say is that between being a technological sandbox, and a good spectator sport, the FIA have definitely chosen their side. I think heavy technical regulations are the unfortunate necessity of creating a grid that has any chance of fair racing. Spectators can follow the journeys and fights of the drivers and the emotions that come along side that -- the regulations bring the cars close enough so that the drivers can make a big difference. I think F1 could benefit from a chance in coverage. So much goes on behind the scenes that I think could be really dramatic and entertaining -- the team planning that influences decisions in tire setups and brake balance and such, the kinds of things that can otherwise unexpectedly manifest on track. This is to say, I imagine that if F1 was unregulated, the race wouldn't take place on the track but rather behind closed doors, inside the factory. I mean how much actual coverage of things like this do we see? How much do we see or know about these small, sneaky improvements that teams regularly make to cars? A new innovation would literally just be "oh look a team is winning" and then after a short time every other team would be running it. And eventually everyone would be driving too fast. 2019 is the first year I've followed the season, and there's this X-factor to Mercedes that they use to consistently win. You _might_ say Ferrari has the fastest car, you _could definitely_ say that Max is the fastest driver, but Mercedes has incredible under-the-hood strategy and management and sensibility that helps them come out on top. I feel like it would be interesting to dive further into this, in comparison to RB or Ferrari. I guess it comes down to the fact that, I think, being a technological testground and an entertaining spectator sport are unfortunately mutually exclusive.

[@fetusofetuso2122]

too bad Ferrari didn't develop this. It would have been banned long ago.

[@savagesteve5894]

Venturi holes coupled to the Undertary for increasing aero effect.....worthy of consideration.....may be innovative and looking forward to seeing if the tech is conclusive.

[@gilette01unrasiert70]

Okay there is one thing that I frequently ask myself but nobody talks about. What about teams using parts that are designed with partly the goal of making the air more turbulent and for the car behind harder to follow? Its dirty tactics but I would bet a lot of money on Mercedes doing this with these rims for example. Just imagine what happens with the air that ist blown through the wheel when its spinning while driving in a 200kmh Corner?

[@TheTororist]

teammates usually have similar performance and more often than not it will be your teammate who follows you on the grid. such a design would only hurt the team. as for the ethics of it, i doubt that would be illegal

[@gilette01unrasiert70]

@@TheTororist I get your point. Yet these days we see the top teams, especially Mercedes, sacraficing Points of the weaker Teammate for a greater good, hence the Championship for the stronger one.

[@TheTororist]

@@gilette01unrasiert70 not if it puts the WCC on the line. believe it or not, most of the team really values the WCC over the WDC (and it often comes with bonuses attached) but its very rare fore the team that wins the WDC to lose the WCC. The last time that happened was with hamilton and mclaren in 2008

[@mr.b3ntley449]

At Silverstone, Kimi said the Mercs were easier to flow than the Red Bulls

[@Victor-kv4jt]

@@mr.b3ntley449 well, Red Bull is known to have good Aero and it might just happen to produce more dirty air as a side effect.

[@johntechwriter]

That’s some pretty slick animation. Done in house? Or provided by M-B?

[@noworriesmate8287]

Socialist racing. Everyone has to be the same 🤔

[@plottwist1733]

IMSA cars were using an early form of this back in the 80's. I remember seeing them using rims with raised centres so that air could flow through them and cool the brakes.

[@liith4692]

I bet if Ferrari do it it will magically get banned and penalised

[@TheFootbaldd]

I have always had a problem with racing clubs trying to limit innovation. Im now an engineer, but have always been a tinkerer and that has always bugged me. If I come up with a better idea it shouldn't be restricted, other teams should follow suit if they think it is advantageous. I would say that I am more interested in the design than just the driver. I always have spent more time in the garage than on the road anyways, but that is one of the major factors that discourages me from wanted to get into a series. If I build a car I don't want to be severely restricted by class rules in terms off design approach. As long as it doesn't impact safety of the driver or other drivers it should be encouraged. Group B will always be my favorite, but obviously they were too close to the edge for that time.

[@ashavin3018]

Since mercedes have blocked the holes their form have reverted back to where it was in the first half of the season. The last two races they have looked very average. We go now to Brazil so we will see if their struggles continue. Am not making excuses for ferrari as we have too many errors this season BUT its becoming clearer that mercedes in the 6 races had an unfair advantage..

[@loqs3749]

ashavin 301 stop crying

[@TheColinChapman]

ADVANTAGE probably, but "unfair"? what article in the rulebook do they violate?

[@ashavin3018]

Ok, Let me say it plain Mercedes were cheating with altering their rims!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@loqs3749]

ashavin 301 you’re still crying

[@markmark5269]

ashavin, this is what happens when you try to have a sensible discussion on KZbin. To add to the wheel rims, lets about the uber strict fuel flow regulations for which Mercedes outrightly cheated by finding an alternative way to add fuel to the engine via the oil breathing system. What happened to them over that cheating? Nothing. Yes Lewis fanboys, he was driving a cheat car, go research it. On the other hand, Ferrari find a way to manage their batteries better than everybody else, using exactly the same components under the regulations as everybody else, but they are asked to remove the quote Lewis Hamilton; "trick" (sic) after Mercedes serial complaining, even though the FIA doesn't actually understand how Ferrari are doing it.

[@Cris-iw6su]

New guy needs his own KZbin channel without the fluff

[@thelimatheou]

If Lewis does it, FIA says its OK :P

[@RyanJW023]

Andy Hunne if Ferrari tried it would fail, like their championship challenge

[@jxmint4458]

It's just being innovative it's not dirty tactics. People always try to find excuses of why Hamilton is fast but in reality it's his pure skill, people can't just except that

[@Pal42_]

@@jxmint4458 "innovative" how can something from more than 5 years ago be "innovative" smh

[@Pal42_]

@@jxmint4458 And also that's your problem. When a person criticised Mercedes, you're always ready with the "Oh yOu crYbaBy hAMiltOn iS bETTer". Well, yes, Hamilton drove much better than Vettel and we all know, from a Ferrari fan. But that means nothing. Because Mercedes used something not planned by the rules, and FIA said that it was a "LIMITED ILLEGALITY" You know what does that mean? That i can kill a person and the judge will say "even if it's illegal, i'll let you free" but then, at Austin, they made them close the holes. And they were the ones who mostly suffered from blistering. But then said that it was LEGAL (wtf?) But then again they closed the holes for Mexico and this time Mercedes suffered from a huge graining. But now, the greatest question... WHAT, IS, FIA, DOING? THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!?! ARE THEY LEGAL OR NOT?!?!?

[@Its_Might]

Lol salty Ferrari fans XD

[@spanzer6179]

OK, I just scrolled through a bunch of comments and nobody has mentioned that evacuating any air from under the car will certainly increase down force.

[@dudecool8165]

You all are trying to say Mercedes cheated,no they just have the best driver.

[@joehentalack2443]

GIVE LEWIS A TORO- ROSSO and see if he wins a title........

[@dudecool8165]

@@joehentalack2443the best driver always find a way to win.

[@davidsteninger2278]

New guy isn't the most personable, but you can tell he really knows his stuff, which I prefer to a charismatic person who doesn't know very much. Good new hire!!

[@myc763]

Hey Autosport, for a high adrenaline sport as F1, this news and info format is rather dull :( I could be the only one.

[@Smithy250]

They're talking about a wheel rim and regulations not Pablo Escobar.

[@myc763]

@@Smithy250 lol. Good one, I'll give you that. Definitely fresher than this news format. It's usually the same format though, no matter the topic.

[@acruzp]

F1 is only high adrenaline during a race. The vast majority of the time F1 is a thinking sport... it's very sterile, clinical and impersonal. Most races are won or lost long before they start.

[@sulavchhantyal3918]

Yes! You are the only idiot in here.

[@myc763]

@@sulavchhantyal3918 slow hand clap. Very big of you. Hope you sleep better tonight. Also, your life must be very boring.

[@danielhaynes1642]

If you look at old rally cars they use to do the same thing. Except they used discs. Alot of people look at old rally wheels and see the plate coving the wheel and think it's just a gaurd, when in fact it has find at the time similar to a turbo. Sucks in cold pushes out hot. Keeps the brakes and tires cooler.

[@ashavin3018]

So effectively mercedes were cheating with these rims

[@DavieDrum98]

ashavin 301 just because it’s not in the fucking rule book and others can’t figure it out, doesn’t mean it’s cheating you twat. It’s excellent and innovative ENGINEERING. Get your head out of your ass.. “Cheating”...

[@DoriFord]

It looks good in graphics. But I'm really having a hard time understanding how they expect to overcome centrifugal forces inside that spacer, lol. If the vanes are in the spacer, then the spacer pumps the air from inside to the inside, not the other way.

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

The assembly is a wheel. The wheel incorporates a rim. The tire attaches to that. The Assembly is a wheel.

[@kevinkirk4285]

In the interest of safety, if it helps to prevent catastrophic tire failure, it should be allowed.

[@lenwoodcruze3594]

I'm just glad that this sport is still to this level of competitiveness that a company would even think to design a new part to gain a advantage.

[@gordonanderson3111]

You missed the "Why". The airflow is needed to cool the super powerful and fast electric motor/brakes. Being inside the hot tire and next to the red hot brakes - the motor/brakes NEED cooling.... I would use liquid nitrogen. FIA - Please let them advance this and not keep electric drive back.... AGAIN>

[@Jake12220]

Good content and the new guy did well, but the setting almost came across like a job interview, seemed a little tense.

[@sundaygolfer3]

That technology has been around at least 50 years. Mercedes may have refined the technology to include the hub but during the Ca-Am era Chaparral, McLaren, Lola, Ford GT among others used the vanes on the wheels to pull the air out.

[@stephenbachman132]

Racing Point "write that down, write that down" 2020 they literally wrote that down.

[@mxolisikhumalo1916]

😂😂😂

[@ΑρχηνΘείαδίκη]

So, in short, it's engineered to create a vortex of air towards the centre of the wheel. This vortex draws the heat away from the tire to the centre of the wheel as it spins. Then a series of holes at the centre pushes the heat outward, away from the car. Clever engineering isn't really cheating. It's still a spacer, and the added cooling probably helps a bit in the hot tracks. If it's truly effective others should just adapt their own.