Inside the BRAND NEW Nightjet New Generation - 17 HOURS In A Private Ensuite Sleeper Cabin!

[@simonpilk]

The concerning thing is that ÖBB have hugely hiked the cost of sleepers to eye watering levels. I did a sleeper from Milan to Wien in October and paid a €90 supplement on my Interrail. I have been looking at things like a sleeper from Wien to or from Amsterdam and the cost of a sleeper is more like €400 or even more in some cases!! That really removes any benefit so I have no idea what they are thinking!!

[@bigben5051]

100%! I was planning a trip through Europe for next month. A private cabin from Innsbruck to Amsterdam was over C600!!! I changed my plans, now I'm going from Milan to Palermo for less than €80. I would love to use NightJet more, but it's just so unjustifiably expensive!

[@simonpilk]

@@bigben5051 what on earth were they thinking when they changed matters. It’s a very crazy decision to take. It just removes and benefit at all and means that I and many others just cannot travel by Nightjet in future

[@anthonykerslake3856]

@@bigben5051😊

[@sqrtof81]

They fixed it again. Thank god. It's now based on dynamic prices, but they've been tuned down to reasonable levels again. You should be fine (though you probably won't save money using your Interrail on the Nightjet anymore).

[@simonpilk]

@@sqrtof81 so the better way is to buy a normal ticket? ÖBB will have lost my sleeper train customer, even coming from the UK that means about 6-8 sleeper trips a year and I am sure there are many others like me. A hotel will be much better or probably not taking an ÖBB operated overnight train such as CFR / CD / ZSSK will be better. About up to EUR 144 is ok with me but any more and they can forget it.

[@tomwatts703]

The pods are an interesting concept, I hope they can make sleeper travel more affordable - would love to see that kind of thing in the UK, or even through the Channel Tunnel.

[@dreimalnein22]

ÖBB did raise some prices 300% and no cheap early tickets were available - in the first week of these coaches and the operation of the next european train schedule.

[@alexmcwhirter6611]

Absolutely. Sadly the Nightstar stock was sold to the Canadians at a discount. 'Paper' operator Midnight Trains, who wanted to operate Edinburgh-Paris much to the excitement of Scottish rail fans, has now abandoned its plans.

[@michaeljohndennis2231]

I’d love to see these sleeper trains operating across the North of England on overnight SailRail services between York/Leeds/Doncaster - Manchester Victoria - Holyhead for the ferry to Dublin and the reverse trip from Holyhead - Manchester Victoria - Leeds

[@PtrkHrnk]

The pod are premium alternative to standard couchettes. It's unlikely that ÖBB or any other operator will see it differently...

[@claudiojaramillo5177]

Yeah it's nice, but it's also insanely expensive. Just flying the route would be 4 to 5 times cheaper. We really need to move subsidies from flights towards trains.

[@fredburley9512]

Nightjet great name - what a train design. Ahhh the freedom of Europe.

[@tobymildon1981]

Thank you for showing the wheelchair accessible cabin. It's amazing to see

[@howardcobb4656]

That train looks greats. The pods are not for me - just too confining. But that room was great. Hoping to include that in travel to Europe next year. Thanks

[@Hadubrand1965]

While the new trains are great... Sad story is that on the majority of routes ÖBB will still use the old rolling stock. AND they just increased prices, so that on most routes taking a flight is much more affordable (and that is neglecting the often very long delays (2-4 hours), which the sleeper trains are often experiencing.

[@that1niceguy246]

The old rolling stock is not a problem, but the price increase is an affront.😐

[@that1niceguy246]

@@paseospormadrid1751 Where do flights use cleaner energy? Coal isn't the main power source, we have water, nuclear, wind, solar too. I would have thought trains use less energy for the same amount of people over the same distance usually.

[@PtrkHrnk]

If the trains will be still full after the price increases, can we really blame ÖBB for that?

[@sagichnicht6748]

The ÖBB can't do magic. They have ordered 33 new full Nightjet trainsets. I don't know in how far they will replace existing ones. There is a massive shortage of sleeper train sets in Europe as the sector has been disinested for decades. Demand is much higher than supply even now as the ÖBB has expanded its Nightjet network. Regular flights are not much more affordable than a couchette when booking sufficiently in advance. This is double true if you own a Klimaticket which quite some Austrians do, which cuts single ticket prices down by around 50 EUR.

[@sagichnicht6748]

@@paseospormadrid1751 The rail in Austria uses almost entirely hydropower (from ÖBB owned power plants). Not sure about elsewhere but your claim borders on the absurd. There is hardly anything worse than emissions by planes at high altitude which is why flying once is worse for the climate than driving all across Europe in Sleeper trains in circles.

[@railwayjade]

I love Tauruses and I love the livery

[@Flo-M]

Excellent documentary! I really enjoyed it 👍

[@tombombadil9123]

Surprised that Siemens would allow such technical issues on a bran new train Overall it's great step in the right direction. I'm looking forward to my forthcoming trip from Zagreb to Innsbruck on EN More sleeper trains across Europe please :)

[@HerrGru]

Great Video 👍 this is a great Train

[@samtrak1204]

Europe is so innovative

[@lioneldemun6033]

Ah ! The rose - tinted glasses of North Americans and Australians.....

[@8Nifon8]

@@lioneldemun6033 I think it meant to be a sarcasm.

[@povrides2you724]

yaaay it was nice to meet you and show me around youre cabin

[@alexmcwhirter6611]

Thanks to Midland London for compiling a both detailed and objective KZbin.

[@mariadelmarjimenezarroyo]

Please do a review onboard the RENFE AVE S102 Talgo pato and the Alvia S730 from Madrid to Extremadura. Good video, I am subscribed to your channel. Happy New year

[@AG7-MTM]

Looks like every country has its way of sleeper services. Canada & USA: take scenic routes and market as a sightseeing route, Europe: travel conventional routes by night similar to planes, Japan: absolute ultimate sightseeing service that despite the high price, the target group seems more than willing to sell out! (South Africa seems to have started this with the Blue Train, India also tried with the Palace on Wheels)

[@petemiller8289]

My wife and I travelled from Vienna to Feldkirch on the sleeper train - why? -because it also carried our car. Please could more Nightjet services offer a motor-rail option. Great video by the way.

[@downonthestour]

Definitely wanting to check out those pods mate. Great Video!

[@David2012342]

I love your videos i hope i can suggest that if you want to record out the window at night and have control over the light to turn it off, it helps if yiu want to record out the window

[@Jennyeq]

I wish the Caledonia sleeper was this good! Just a shame about the delay....

[@paolopansini5185]

A question to you: I see that you traveled in compartment n. 101. Considering that this compartment is exaxtly on the wheels, was it comfortable? Did you notice particoular noises or vibrations? Thank you Paolo

[@petergilbert72]

OBB’s pricing model sounds like the Caledonian Sleeper highland services: used by wealthy tourists and train aficionados rather than as a form of transport.

[@stephanweinberger]

As long as they still manage to sell every seat & berth, why would they not do that?

[@crytocc]

@@stephanweinberger Because transport shouldn't revolve around profit?

[@stephanweinberger]

@@crytocc That's not something ÖBB can change. They have to pay for their employees, for the trains, the tracks and the energy. If running international night trains should be considered "basic infrastructure" then there needs to be a consensus in society (in this case in multiple countries) that it should be subsidized.

[@stephanweinberger]

@@xr6lad again: these a re flexible prices which depend on the demand, just like with airlines. If the train isn't full the prices are lower; the prices being so high indicates that the trains _are_ full.

[@michaelashall4523]

One day they will realise that lower prices will increase the passenger numbers.

[@paddybm3245]

It might be that the doors between the coaches don’t open to discourage the walking around which creates noise and might disturb the people trying to sleep. At least they did that in the old night trains

[@kevanhubbard9673]

Maybe OBB should take over the Cal Sleeper twixt Scotland and England and get rid of the idea of the Ritz on wheels introduced by SERCO's head oligarch Lord Soames when SERCO PLC ran it and have a practical service that people can actually afford to use?

[@petergilbert72]

How did you like the ‘fore and aft’ alignment for the bed?

[@barendnu]

I do think that OBB should let couchette travelers know about the extra luggage options, besides the lockers, that you’ve shown. Without a sign, I don’t think that people will know that (a) there’s a storage compartment beneath the lower beds and (b) secured luggage racks near the seated car, to use.

[@Oldladysgin]

I like sleep trains, a lot. I will not travel on them without ensuite, for me they take the place of hotels. I don´t want to stay in a Youth Hostel and my days of sharing the likes of bathrooms have long gone. Happy to travel and happy to pay, but only with ensuite.

[@bigben5051]

OBB Nightjet used to be great value for money and a great alternative to flying and hotel stays etc. Now it is unjustifiably expensive. I'll be sticking with flying for now.

[@PtrkHrnk]

If the trains will be still full after the price increases, can we really blame ÖBB for that?

[@bigben5051]

​@@PtrkHrnk If the trains are full even after the price increases it only proves that too many people have more money than sense.

[@sagichnicht6748]

@@PtrkHrnk We could if the ÖBB were to artificially keep supply sparce but the ÖBB is in fact doing its best to rapidly expand the night train offers. So no, I don't think one can blame them. Also, the price is dynamic on the nightjets. So if people don't use it sufficiently tickets will decrease. The new trains are very sought after, as they are still so special. That certainly doesn't help in this regard.

[@Kaiserschmarren]

19:35 yeah thats really not a good idea, especially as they promised they will cost arround 60€ for a pod one way (looked it up and it was arround 180€ one way!!). Dynamic pricing will result in less people actually using the service i think, especially when the DB ICE is ways cheaper edit: cost of trains shouldnt be demand bases but fixed, and in a somewhat near range to airplanes

[@TrainSimDriverAT]

Well - a DB ICE ticket from Vienna to Hamburg is not very much cheaper either. At least compared with the service in Nightjets.

[@Kaiserschmarren]

@@TrainSimDriverAT thats right, ... till Westbahn enters the price battle

[@TrainSimDriverAT]

@@Kaiserschmarren Night-West-Bahn!

[@Kaiserschmarren]

@@TrainSimDriverAT Double decker which has 3 mini cabins above eachother xd.

[@TrainSimDriverAT]

@@Kaiserschmarren That would be nice. I think in the Comfort Sleeper a window at the top bunk would be much better. It would also look like a double decker!

[@scotttaylor8706]

Wish me had this in America, Our Trains are lacking in so many ways.

[@mariegarside8830]

I would like most of the features.

[@michaziobro5301]

Are this cars quiter than old one? In old cars i couldnt sleep me lnded at 8 am sleeping in the bench waiting to 2 om for hotel

[@arnoldhau1]

I thought regular sleeper car is not first class, only deluxe?

The BR101 has a top speed of 220km/h as far as I know. So maybe there was an other reason for only doing 200km/h. I like the idea of the pods, but I think the storage is lacking, and also no showering options at all.

@@paseospormadrid1751 the track had LZB, you can see the wires between the tracks so that's not an issue.

[@Johnnyr-yb7ff]

Hello, i am from Germany and I now excactly, how fast they drive usuall... 200km/h is the top speed of the travel- speed. They never run more than 200km/h, because the locomotives are only used for the ICs. The IC- wagons in Germany can "only" drive 200km/h so the Br. 101 doesn´t need to drive faster😅

[@Franjo5000]

Any some 101 were allowed for the Metropolitan to drive 220 but that is in the past.

[@rajeshraghavan2248]

@2.11 Windows XP aspired landscapes.

[@matthewharty6531]

the one time you love a delay...when it pays for your trip lol

[@tehdime]

3:25 glitch in the matrix 😂

[@lordsleepyhead]

I like how the cab car has a vectron snout despite stille being hauled by a taurus.

[@hanaex4478]

Bc the people are stupid😅 they want to use the Vectron for it, but cant bc the Loc is not allowed for passenger trains yet. Its kind of complicated. I hat the idea bc I'm team taurus

[@lordsleepyhead]

@@hanaex4478 is this specific for Austria? Because vectrons are already in use on passenger services in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany.

[@hanaex4478]

@lordsleepyhead nevermind, sry, that was misinformation from me, the vectron can be used since mid 2020 for passenger trains. But the drivers cab of the control car (with the vectron design) doesnt have a permit yet. So the only way forward is with a locomotive put in front

[@Travel-by-Train]

I which one day to try it.🍒🍒🍒

[@thomasreiser]

Eurail 1st class holders can access obb lounges

[@TheosTrainsWalesOfficial]

The big question is, why don't the UK take inspiration from OBB? Siemens Viaggio coaches and tri-mode Taurus locos would be a perfect replacement for the LNER InterCity 225's!

[@budapestkeletistationvoices]

England didn't make Brexit to get inspiration from Europe, never mind buying rolling stock from there

[@stephanweinberger]

Would Taurus locomotives fit in the narrower UK loading gauge?

[@budapestkeletistationvoices]

@@stephanweinberger I think yes. If the big American locos fit, Taurus would fit. But it's no longer in production, but Vectron

[@stephanweinberger]

@@budapestkeletistationvoices which "big American locos" do you mean?

[@budapestkeletistationvoices]

@@stephanweinberger the General Electric ones

[@darksars3622]

It basically a premier inn room on rails. minus those, pods.....

[@darksars3622]

eh

[@darksars3622]

excepted the doors don't work

[@John-qq8he]

Did the train have any cafe or bar available for a drink or snack?

[@alexmcwhirter6611]

No. But maybe light catering (besides breakfast) can be provided.

[@hoodyniszwangsjacke3190]

That's not common in Night Trains, bc few ppl would use it at night. Most ppl just want to sleep to get relieved to their activities the next day.

[@alexmcwhirter6611]

@@hoodyniszwangsjacke3190 It depends. In the UK the Caledonian Sleeper to Scotland has a Club Car (only for those booking sleeping car accommodation though) where passengers can have snacks and dinner. It's famous among N American customers as genuine Scottish food is served.

[@John-qq8he]

@@hoodyniszwangsjacke3190 I would!

[@markdavid7013]

We could use those in the US.

[@yoship11]

The legacy fleet is really taking a beating in most reviews for the new Nightjet trains - for example, you saying the cars are from the 50s and 60s while showing cars from the early 2000s and late 90s - and honestly, I think it's unwarranted. The sleeper cars from the 2000s are really good and offer more flexibility. Compartments can be reconfigured for 1, 2 or 3 people and even be merged with adjacent compartments. And they are more reliable then the new trains. ÖBB has some truly old couchette cars and and they really should have replaced those years ago, but every cent went into these new sets, which came late and problem-ridden, because ÖBB wanted a Raljet-like train instead of new and impoved single cars.

[@AmiNa-nw5ld]

As a claustrophobic that thing is not for me. Nice idea though

[@bobtudbury8505]

the future? the future is bright, even the paris berlin kicking in again etc etc

[@Ebc1129]

The prices are insane. € 700 Zürich to Amsterdam one way. For what?? There’s no way I’m gonna pay that price otherwise I’ll demand flawless service.

[@paulnbrenda358]

We finished a two week travel from Scotland to Switzerland then down to Naples. We took the NJ from Vienna to Venice. We had a 2 ppl sleeper and cost was 200 euros each. But see see Hallstatt and get to Vienna hop on a rolling hotel then wake up in Venice “PRICELESS” St Pancras station London is better than Vienna Station they don’t have homeless ppl all over the place but the good thing is we left Bible tracts all over the place and maybe a few of them read one

[@RafaquaQuetta]

Euston King's Cross St Pancras International is the OG station in Europe

[@alexanderivkin7086]

ÖBB fixed their dumb pricing system finally. Booking 6 months in advance : Hamburg-Vienna Mini-Cabin or 4 bed compartment 54,90 Euro, double compartment sleeper coach 99,90 Euro. Single occupancy still ridicolous expensive, starting at 229,90 Euro.

[@bjoeljones]

Braw train. The American rail system could take some lessons on their sleeper compartments.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Looks nice but three hours late. Not very reliable and priced up to €1000 is ridiculous.

[@NormanAllen-ps9ju]

I cannot understand why these expensive new cars were delivered with so many defects !!

[@finlayfraser9952]

No bar car!

[@brian402]

Awesome way to travel within Europe, but the price structure to do so., tempts people to fly as another option instead. NO Buffet / Restaurant / bar car, that's gotta suck for starters!. You made a really good video trip report, nice work with the camera footage too!.🚝👍

[@JPepega]

A personal toilet in every cabin seems like a huge waste of space. The only reason someone would design the coaches in such a way is to inflate the price. Oh, wait...

[@michaeljohndennis2231]

There is absolutely no excuse why these are not brought into use in the U.K. - those in charge need to stop with the excuses and just get it implemented as quickly as possible

[@moodophile]

I mean, the trains not fitting the UK loading gauge is pretty convincing as excuses go....but you do you.

[@budapestkeletistationvoices]

I keep hearing the moaning that the Piccadilly Line trains are built by Siemens in Austria instead of by Alstom in the British Empire.

[@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm]

@@moodophile That can be fixed if some really wants them there. Reluctant to change. Sad, especially when people want them.

[@mikemainer3009]

Nightjet with their obscene price increases has really screwed the passenger. Of which, I hope they lose their shirts. And no way it is desirable to "save" money by traveling in a bloody Japanese-like pod with its confined space, no sound-proofing and no real privacy, especially considering that the screen between pods looks like it can easily be opened by someone in the adjoining pod. As such, Nightjet will not be my mode of travel. Best to stick with daytime travel on faster and more cost friendly carriers.

[@sagichnicht6748]

Maybe you should inform yourself before spreading disinformation. The sliding door between the pods can be of course only opened when both sides release the lock. There is no such thing as a sound proof night train but you get ear plugs for free in your package, if you need absolute silence for your sleep. I am not sure which night train is supposed to be sound proof, would love to know.

[@stephanweinberger]

Look more carefully. @11:41 you can clearly see that there are two latches/locks - one for each side. This isn't a new idea, cabins with connecting doors (to combine two cabins into a suite if you travel eg. as a family) have existed on night trains for decades.

[@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm]

@@sagichnicht6748 Only the one in your own home is quieter, I hope.

[@tombombadil9123]

Only the most ardent train enthusiasts will pay over a 1,000 EUR for this. Quite a disappointment right at the very end. This does not bode well for the future of sleeper trains

[@sagichnicht6748]

1000 EUR is ridiculous but have a look at the actual prices. That is probably the max price if you are using a double sleeper cabin alone. You pay of course for two in that case. If you don't go for that luxury option (and opt as a single traveller who just hates the idea of being with a foreigner in the same room for the pods) prices even in the worst case, are much more reasonable. If you book a sleeper train a few days in advance you can be lucky if you get a place. The highest prices for single comfort plus, the most expensive option I could find did not exceed 475 EUR, that is very expensive. But if you fly first class, how much do you pay for that again? The plus is just luxury. The Single comfort is already at 355 EUR and that is a ticket at short notice (and like i said, those single sleepers, you pay effectively for two as you also consume the space for two). The pods can be found at around 100-130 EUR, even when booking at short notice, as long as they are not booked out.

[@tombombadil9123]

@@sagichnicht6748 thanks

[@markvogel5872]

The pods look awful. I'd not want to be sitting on my bed for the whole part of the journey when I wasn't sleeping. This seems like a good concept as a budget option for maybe backpackers or something but not for adults. I'd be claustrophobic in that thing.

[@titteryenot4524]

What? 🥴 You lie on a bed! Chairs are for sitting on. 🪑👍

[@RM-xr8lq]

in an occidental country so not much reason to use, would be nice if they bring some of these conveniences to the secular and civilized part of the world 😂

[@CharlesHarpolek4vud]

' same as you may the executive would rather arrive slept well and relaxed instead of hassle onto an off of a little metal tube in the sky... There are very few things to say for fast and lots to say for relaxed. There is no accident there is a vertical hanging space for your nice jacket and pants. How was real wrinkly and grumpy lumpy from an airplane.... Well I'm on the budget and it means a lot to me to see a lot of travel, seeing a lot of what is nice without being lumped into a hotel room with the fees they charge. But I have the right to ask for a lot from a sleeper train...,.. More than a nearly clean pillow for my neck and the seat that lays down just said amount that is so miserable.

[@terrytc1]

They look as inviting and as sterile as a Japanese pod hotel in Tokyo. No style or class. Very disappointing.

[@lioneldemun6033]

Slow and expensive. No thanks.

[@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm]

Passport checks between two EU countries? Amazing. Why have an EU at all except if you are are poor member and need the subsidies. That's not really free as you need to kneal to the power of the EU bureaucrats.

[@SimonGrayDK]

That long shot of the burgundy EU passport... 🥲

[@budapestkeletistationvoices]

You have a nice Tory blue passport