WING CHUN FIGHTER GETS OUTCLASSED! - Expert mystery guest breakdown!

[@inside_fighting]

Did you find the wing chun guy represented well?

[@Octaslash08]

He did well, Jeff is just that good at what he does. If I recall the only sparring sessions he's had difficulty is against active competitors in Karate Combat, ONE FC, or guys like Saenchai.

[@inside_fighting]

@@Octaslash08 he’s amazing for sure. Very high level

[@EpherosAldor]

I've seen that Wing Chun guy before, Kevin Lee did an episode with him. He is good as a knowledgeable, technical martial artist, but this video shows he really doesn't know how to apply the martial art and hasn't actually studied how to use it combatively. Seeing Izzo and sifu Milos using it in action and discovering how best to train combatively shows what Wing Chun is capable of. Good video, but the video from the last episode or two where you had the Wing Chun vs Kyokoshin showcased better Wing Chun in application than this.

[@inside_fighting]

@@EpherosAldor of course i agree. I don’t have any motive i just show videos i think are fun and interesting to review

[@alexanderren1097]

I’m not specifically a Wing Chun practitioner but I know enough to know 2 things. 1) This guy is representing the average level of most Wing Chun as practiced and trained today. Which is unfortunate because Wing Chun could be much more effective than it’s currently taught and practiced. 2) He’s not doing a good job of representing Wing Chun if practiced and pressure tested well.

[@Shojushoju]

I’ve taken lessons with Jeff Chan - he’s an excellent instructor & sparring partner!

[@inside_fighting]

He seems like it!

[@oldschoolkarate-5o]

cool: )

[@nunyabizness2477]

Wing Chun usually does get owned, but in all fairness, Jeff Chan is a professional fighter.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes Jeff is high level but he was going for easy here

[@jhonatanalviar4478]

​@inside_fighting I encourage you to watch their rematch

[@BMO_Creative]

Dominick Izzo knows his stuff! He combines Wing Chun with Tactical training and strength training. Seems like a cool guy.

[@stephenbramel9395]

I like it when you have Dom on, as an FMA guy I do think the trapping gets a little misrepresented. When you look at it almost all martial arts trap, Jiujitsu guys “collect” Boxers use a parry with a return punch. I think we have mystified it where people think it’s not real. I think the idea of “taking space” is right on though ! Good stuff guys!

[@inside_fighting]

I agree with you fully. Trapping just has to be demystified and simplified

[@johnnymism]

Most martial artists fail to separate how real violence plays out compared to sparring, totally different. You need to train both, and that includes learning to fail and testing your ability.

[@inside_fighting]

Agreed 🙏🏼

[@sardalamit]

But sparring is the closest to practicing real world fighting without injuring anyone, while continuing with daily desk jobs. Let's face it, we most of us will never face a life threatening violent situation in life ever. So we need to consider that vs the injuries we might accumulate in making out sparring even more 'real world'.

[@malcolmsoh5648]

I think the guy is a Jeet Kune Do practitioner rather than a Wing Chun practitioner.

[@TheKillakick]

So, the wing chun guy is Ninja Nate (now Sifu Nate), like an OG martial arts tutorial youtuber, kinda like Kwonkicker if you know him. He's historically mainly made kick/tricking tutorials from pretty sure a JKD background. When the modern wing chun craze took off, he followed the trend and focused more into wing chun and mook jong tutorials. To give him a little credit, he's never claimed toughness or fight IQ. So yeah, he's not a good fighter, but credit to him at least for wanting to try it out. And he never called out Jeff or anything; Jeff had been making the rounds trying different training methods and styles to include JKD/Wing Chun at the time. No excuses, but you guys are going a bit harsh on a friendly match

[@joeoleary9010]

I had a torn meniscus, I needed surgery to fix it. My knee would "lock up" which while not painful was very uncomfortable. Some meniscus tears can be healed with phys therapy, others definitely cannot. Had my surgery in Thailand, 1/3 price of the states. Right after the surgery I walked out of the hospital, which freaked out one of my friends.

[@robertosharpe5995]

Thank you Sifu Isso...You are a gem. Thank you for mentioning Sifu Jamar...positive and truthful.

[@georgeafutujr.9369]

In all my 46 years in NYC and Charleston, SC, I have NEVER seen ANYONE kick ANYONE'S butt using Wing Chun, despite having an "Uncle"/Cousin who is a Wing Chun Master of 30 years and being good friends with the late Sifu Barry who was an actual Streetfighter. If Wing Chun actually worked in The Streets, we in NYC would DEFINITELY train in it, not so much in Charleston SC since the majority of Streetfights "Projectile-discharging devices!" Are utilized.

[@alexanderren1097]

In the Wing Chun guy’s defense, Jeff Chan outclasses almost ANYONE! But yeah, this Wing Chun guy needs to seriously step up his game and do a LOT more pressure testing. Jeff’s doing more effective Wing Chun in this video than the other guy

[@inside_fighting]

Agreed about Jeff but i do feel you can see the other guy was lost and doing the same thing over and over

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

A lot of people miss this. Jeff Chan is very, very high skilled, and will make anyone look bad without trying. There's not shame in looking less than perfect to Jeff Chan, because unless you're in the top 1% of fighters he probably better than you.

[@inside_fighting]

@@volatileepiphanies5547 well i hope i made that clear in the video.

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

@@inside_fighting You did make it very clear. Unfortunately I think some people will see this and crap on the guy.

[@axelstone3131]

Wing chun was primarily used to stop the opponent, not to trade blows and “spar” like this. This is the whole problem with these sparring/fighting videos. It’s not even designed for this purpose.

[@erichanson7293]

The best part of this video was the discussion near the end about avoiding the fight/road rage craziness. We live in a world where people do crazy things when they feel slighted, and apologizing quickly when one is in the wrong can deescalate a potentially fatal situation. Good common sense conversation there. Thank you.

[@inside_fighting]

@@erichanson7293 ego solves nothing no matter how it plays out. You either hurt them or they hurt you. Seems useless in the end of the day. Glad you enjoyed.

[@chvhndrtntlr3482]

I recently did a chisao fight(sparring but with tournament rules and jury), I just join wingchun for 3 months, previously I learn muaythai(super basic level, only joined for 1 year) In that fight I do 2 round of 2 minutes, I try using wingchun punches, get dominated easily by people that already doing wingchun for 4 year, I record it.... With helmet and protector that I never experienced before I cant see things and restrict my movement much. What I saw is my opponent not using "wingchun punch" much, he using imperfect boxing punches Then in round 2 I not using any wingchun punches and straight using muaythai punches...and round 2 give a better result than round 1... And interestingly...when I use wingchun punches they not count it as point because they said that my punches give no impact to my opponent, but when I using muaythai punches they start counting it as point So it turns out you can use boxing and give more advantages to get point when you do chisao fight 😂

[@matthewtolmasoff2139]

Wing Chun, like aikido, should be considered an accessory, and not the main tool. "opinion only" . Boxing, kick boxing and grappling should be the main focus

[@matthewtolmasoff2139]

@@johndough8115 wow, that's cool. 8 hours a day. Truly impressive. I admire that 🙏🏻

[@georgeafutujr.9369]

@@matthewtolmasoff2139 You sound like a guy who actually can fight and has fought Matthew!

[@matthewtolmasoff2139]

@@georgeafutujr.9369 Thanks man, but I haven't had ring fights yet. Only sparring. My opinion is only an opinion. 🙏🏻😊

[@georgeafutujr.9369]

@matthewtolmasoff2139 But it is an accurate assessment. In my approx. 30 Streetfights along with kumites and sparring, the simpler Styles must always be utilized before attempting the more Complex Styles and Systems.

[@axelstone3131]

@@johndough8115lol you claim you trained more than Bruce Lee did which was around 25 hours to 30 hours a week for years . You also say you’ve fought and outclassed most with basic wing chun. Tough guy eh?

[@IzzoWingChun]

Hahahaha! Love it!

[@inside_fighting]

The new voice of inside fighting 😂

[@yarinelmaliach1444]

You should watch jeff chan's/mmasharded kung fu video's

[@yarinelmaliach1444]

You should watch jeff chan's/mmashredded kung fu videos

[@gThomasHagg]

Love it guys. Keep the good vibes :)

[@canyouhandleit6718]

Paradoxically the guy there hates any wing chun so to make it seem as if there is better wc out there. Firstly, that sucky wc guy (not using wc, like they all won't) would beat him easy in sparring. Imagine that. He's just a theorist. Not a master in anything just a loud mouth. Duncan Leong international wc is a system you must check out. Also, this book Myths and blind spots in the fighting arts' world has a chapter that wrecks wing chun chi sao, center line, bridging, and all lies in their training. He does however appreciate the system for other reasons and he gives good solutions for updating the system and all systems. One of a kind book, I doubt there will be another book like this. Many instructors will lose their sleep all I can say. Love it.

[@canyouhandleit6718]

@@johndough8115 I doubt you have any idea what combative training is. Sorry. All those years in wc were a waste of time. Maybe that book will open your eyes.

[@canyouhandleit6718]

@@johndough8115 YOU ARE DELUSIONAL WHICH MAKES YOU FULL OF CRAP. Wc looses everywhere, you are a bad liar.

[@canyouhandleit6718]

@@johndough8115 YOU ARE DELUSIONAL, SEE A DOCTOR. You are not fooling anyone.

[@Pieds-rouges]

i love the new intro voice 👌 i sometimes have the same when I take a hit in the cojones with no gear projection ☠️

[@inside_fighting]

HAHAHA. It happens to the best of us. It's how we get those night high notes.

[@GMizza]

A wing chun guy criticizing another wing chun guy for testing his wing chun, and putting himself out there. That's what's wrong with wing chun.

[@davids8518]

Super fun video. Loved it!

[@inside_fighting]

Much appreciated!

[@CoachPS]

Great video my man!

[@catstudent1]

Dude I died laughing at the last part of the video. 😂😂😂😂

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Great video! I've been training for over 60 years, and in my opinion Dominick Izzo is the real deal! If folk are really interested in Wing Chun, they should listen to what he has to say! :)

[@davidkelly414]

Very interesting and informative, thank you 😊

[@davidiz1980]

Cool collaboration. Wing chun could work if its supplemented with boxing and grappling.

[@inside_fighting]

Depends on the teacher. I’ve met some great wing chun guys recently and it changed my view for sure

[@Pieds-rouges]

Few days ago i have seen the video published by my vlma showing to you "how to close the mid range". I am looking the wing chun guy fighting in this video and i am definitly sure he didn't watch this video 😅 Probably he should because his wing chung looks like air bending to me The guy with white gloves is doing more wing chun than the WC guy, by making contact and trapping with his hands WC guy is doing JKD not WC in my opinion

[@smartresearchwingchun494]

Host, this is to you. All mainstream Wing Chun practitioners are doing the techniques unscientifically. This is why no one is capable of using the techniques. And they have clumsy body and weak arms. This is caused by their unscientific use of limbs. I have a book on this and Izzo had heard about me but he refused to examine the problems. My book is "The Wing Chun Revelations".

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

One thing I notice is when Wing Chun spar and do badly, Wing Chun people say it's not "real" Wing Chun. I've been hearing this since at least the 90's. When will we see "real" Wing Chun fighting? Is that okay to ask? And someone will say to me, Wing Chun isn't made for sport/sparring. Okay, we've seen other martial arts like BJJ captured in street fight footage. When will Wing Chun show up?

[@toyoseries]

Look up Qi La La's matches and you'll see.

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

@@toyoseries Already seen them thanks. He's not the issue here.

[@CBCB8282]

The best WC people I've seen essentially charge in in more or less a straight line. I'd like to see a high level WC practitioner try to do that against a competitive boxer or MMA guy who understands foot work and clench work. Not an insult most wrestlers also tend to dive in if you are doing mixed rules sparing/grappling but I've seen wrestler pull that off at a high level I've not seen a WC guy do the same.

[@jackman4004]

Jeff chan do wing chun more than the wing chun guy himself 😆

[@jaromor8808]

starts at 8:25

[@MYVLMA]

Very interesting and entertaining video. Good talk! Come, stay, and send, throw away your hands and rush forward - 來留去送，甩手直衝 - it doesn´t matter what style, if you violate this motto (It is a mutual Wing Chun motto) you will always be caught off guard or out-danced.

[@inside_fighting]

Can’t wait to do another video 🙏🏼 hopefully in a couple of weeks!

[@MYVLMA]

@@inside_fighting Me too!

[@davefletch3063]

Poor structure when executing both attacks and defensive. One of the biggest mistakes made across all styles

[@thebaneking4787]

Stem cells are amazing. That’s the absolute stupidest take on Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He admits he knows nothing about it and he proves it by saying that bs. When you learn submissions you don’t run your partner down. You create a flow and rolling helps it work. And it works phenomenally. I’m a Catch Wrestler, BJJ, Combat Sambo and Judo, Muay Thai, Dutch Muay Western boxer and a combatives player. I went 6-0 professionally. 5 first round knockouts and 1 16 second first round submission. I was Taskmaster before Disney made him a mute woman. I’m a Universal Martial Artist. Sparring does help alot of people. He doesn’t think professionally bc combatives isn’t a sport. He probably doesn’t spar bc he probably knows something about himself he doesn’t want to admit to himself or you. Wing Chun has its uses but I think you backed the wrong pony brother. “The gentle art” claim is put on Bjj bc you don’t have to be the aggressor for it to work. Catch is aggressive but everything is stealing from everything these days down to their philosophies. But I’ve had my neck broken in Bjj and I don’t have any issues that would relate to Wing Chun. Im sorry for you bc you are on a quest and you do great work. But for him to be on here a speak on “Soft arts” and putting Bjj in the category is like mind blowing. You should show him Rickson Gracie. And he teaches wrestling? Man…. I think he’s a talker. Love your channel. But you should push back on what you know for a fact. Never let anyone speak false without correcting them with what you absolutely know as TRUTH. There’s no “Soft” Submission Arts. And they’re only submissions when you accept the tap. And that doesn’t exist to me now that I’m no longer a professional. Again I appreciate you and apologize. I’m a passionate man when it comes to fighting. I don’t think I would know who I was without it. God bless 🙏🏻 ouss I’m not the 2nd coming of Bruce Lee. FYI (For Your Izzo) He is right about how fights break out and not knowing what people are putting up with. And what prosecutors say when you’re trained. Credit due. Credit given. I’m probably gonna look up Diamond Jackson lol.

[@ShinjitsuKK]

6 months of wing chun... I'm sorry, I really disliked it but I was a 16yr old kid 😅 A few yrs of sport karate and I found kyokushin! I wish I found kudo before I was 30 bro, I'm passed 40 now but imo it's the Best! 👊👍

[@inside_fighting]

Kyokushin and its offshoots are just plain awesome

[@ShinjitsuKK]

Have you tried Ashihara Karate? I'm not a student but did a bit a seminar, there sabaki takedowns and general movement is next level to mine mate 👊

[@axelstone3131]

You know training to take hits and be tough is a good way to end up in the hospital or worse when it comes to self defence. You should treat every punch like the guy has a weapon because many people carry concealed weapons you won’t even see.

[@inside_fighting]

@@ShinjitsuKK yes it’s my favorite karate

[@inside_fighting]

@@axelstone3131 being tough and conditioned both physically and mentally is extremely relevant to surviving a confrontation…

[@anderswallin3883]

If you don't know how to fight, it does not matter what martial arts you practice. Knowing how to box makes any martial art dangerous

[@M_K-Bomb]

I think with Sifu Nate he turns to Jeet Kune Do when he does sparring as he also learnt that and I would assume sparring is more common in that curriculum. I remembered the video he did with Jeff Chan called 'Muay Thai vs Wing Chun Sparring' being a better as Nate's footwork was a problem for the Muay Thai footwork. But, after seeing a bit of that video again it appears as if they are throwing a lot of kicks and it doesn't look very Wing Chun like.

[@axelstone3131]

Whatever he says he’s doing it isn’t jeet kune do. He’s had very poor tuition in the art but then again the majors of JKD that is taught is not Bruce Lee’s JKD.

[@M_K-Bomb]

@@axelstone3131 Well, he says he knows JKD so I'm going off him. And yes, there can be a lot of different changed versions of JKD out there due to it's popularity and room to be hijacked.

[@axelstone3131]

@@M_K-Bomb there is only one JKD and that’s Bruce Lee’s JKD. The fencing footwork, structure and body mechanics are what makes the art work. All these other interpretations are bastardised forms that look little like Bruce’s art. All this “interpretation” nonsense has killed the art. Most people think JKD is some sort of modified wing chun, or “just add whatever you want and call it JKD” it’s neither of those things. Nate is a JKD concepts guy I believe. So he’s trained a lot of different things that Bruce Lee never did and essentially tried to blend all these things together. There is a prevalent myth about Bruce “mixing” arts together to create JKD which isn’t true. What happened was in the beginning he looked other things to find their weakness and how to exploit them, not to necessarily use them. Later on he essential threw a lot of this out and developed something more simplified, direct and non-classical, which was jeet kune do. You also don’t need to learn wing chun to learn JKD. They have completely different footwork, body mechanics and structure. The two biggest components of JKD is actually fencing and boxing, not wing chun. Whilst wing chun did initially play a role from 1967 it became less and less to the point of it pretty much disappearing completely by the 70’s. It’s like people think Bruce just didn’t simplify things past 1967 and that he just stuck with what he taught at that time but it’s important to note what Bruce taught isn’t necessarily what he himself was practicing. He took trapping and chi sao out the curriculum in 1970 but had already moved away from it himself by 1968.

[@stefangurguriev1047]

Wrestling is was and will be the king of martial arts. We should strive to revive wrestling with submissions aka catch wrestling. You can easily add punches and kicks to wrestling, but if you have good grounding you nach punch.

[@CrowdPleeza]

One thing trained martial artist need to do is practice defending themselves against the types of attacks untrained people are likely to come at you with. Many trained people are acustomed to using good technique when sparring. Untrained people will come at you with more wild strikes. This could throw off some trained people. So practice defending against wild attacks.

[@nmr20067]

I agree with almost everything you guys said. But I also know multiple trained boxers that have been stabbed to death in Baltimore in the last 20 years. One was stabbed because of mistaken identity. So that means they didn’t even know he was a trained boxer that competed. My Dad told me at the time it would not have mattered if they did… Also, just recently Nigerian immigrant that wrestled in high school and recently turned pro a as boxer was killed by his neighbor that some feel was obviously jealous of him and the attention he was getting from being a successful boxer... So that Nigerian was dangerous in hand to hand combat; he had The Best of Both Worlds in pro boxing and amateur wrestling… His neighbor may have been aware of fighting skills, but those skills didn’t matter. He walked up to him and allegedly shot him point-blank - allegedly…..

[@gw1357]

If you're not coming forward, its not Wing Chun. That's an undeniable bottom line. I think Izzo is being kind of flippant about "you have to eat punches." There's a lot of footwork, tactics, and hand work that are supposed to protect you as you "seek the bridge" and close. But he's right, Wing Chun requires a determination to move to close quarters and finish. I agree with Izzo. That guy is a JKD, not Wing Chun. (I say that as a guy who has done both.) You see it not only in the hand techniques, but also in the boxing style head movement and footwork. The best practical, combative Wing Chun that I've found on youtube is VLMA (which I first discovered on your channel, great stuff) and a Smarter Fighter (a teacher named Martin Brogaard from Denmark). I also like Kevin Goat (from Canada) but his Wing Chun is mixed with a lot of other stuff. Mark Phillips from Fight Science (London Wing Chun Academy) and Adam Chan from Kung Fu Report (Vancouver) are also great. Kevin Lee from Francis Fong's Academy in Georgia is great, but he's more recreational and more exploratory than practical. I actually think Master Wong's technique is very practical and effective, but that gets lost in some of his bombastic presentation and people think of him as a goofball. I like Izzo's stuff too generally, but there's some points where I think he oversimplifies stuff.

[@inside_fighting]

Sifu Milos is amazing

[@gw1357]

@@inside_fighting You'd really like Brogaard too.

[@joeoleary9010]

I think the *have* means more that the possibility of punches in bridging the gap is a price that must be willing to be paid. I trained with a Gracie on takedowns and "you have to eat punches" was part of the technique. In other words, that commitment to bridge the gap has to come with a price; there's no realistic way to bridge the gap without elevating one's risk of being hit.

[@TronForlox]

lol all the excuses for wing chun completely sucking. it loses EVERY TIME.

[@gnos1s171]

Nope, just depends how you use it, you're just wrong, here's an example of a wing chun school having a couple of their students fight with students at a karate school (kyokushin I believe) and I believe they win a majority of these matches, again, you're wrong, cry about it 🥱 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPChGakeLmSg6Msi=6km3gUfoeOLpP_Ib

[@gnos1s171]

Soooo... we just going to act like qi la la's kickboxing matches where he's winning fights with wing chun just doesn't exist?? 😂😂😂

[@mattbugg4568]

Soup kitchen jacket! Awesome

[@AmericankickboxingMMA]

this shows that if Wing Chun can not claw the eye of his opponent, he can not will.

[@georgeafutujr.9369]

A Defender in a Street Assault needs a PROVEN Streetfighting System and unfortunately "Flight-time!": Sparring is "Okay!" But nothing can take the place of actual fights against actual Streetbullies and Criminals except being trained by an Instructor who is an actual Streetfighter, and being trained by an Instructor with actual Streetfighting experience is a LOT SAFER and less damaging than real Streetfighting. Take it from me, a guy with about 30 Streetfights, 5 of which were with Multiple Attackers!

[@Lionheart_Kickboxing]

If you have 30 streefights you’re an idiot who seeks violence with people who can’t fight. That is nothing to be proud of it shows lack of self control and critical thinking.

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

if I take your back, dont worry about getting choked. worry about having your spine snapped I'ts VERY easy to do if you're still on your feet.

[@DeepImpFitness]

The main problem with traditional WC guys or any other traditional MA is that they turn the style almost into a cult

[@mikeneidlinger8857]

I practice Tai Chi which doesn't use force against force and uses minimal force. Wing Chun doesn't use force against force and adds force. They had some great Wing Chun instructional on KZbin before they were taken down. I think the guy's name was Benny Meng, from the Wing Chun Museum.

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks for the info!

[@joanstone6740]

Do you have any videos that show Tai Chi working in real fights I haven't been able to find any

[@mikeneidlinger8857]

I used to practice Silat and Escrima for 15 years before I switched to Tai Chi in 2008. Tai Chi is just a bunch of concepts in a form. If you don't know real Gong Fu, you won't get it to work. You know there are many styles of Tai Chi and weapons. Yang style is what people have usually seen. I like Sun Style for fighting. I also practice Wu/Hao style.

[@joanstone6740]

@@mikeneidlinger8857 Yeah I've never seen it t Be effective anywhere by anybody .there's that famous old footage of a wu Tai Chi master fighting a crane Master and they look like kindergarten kids

[@joanstone6740]

@@mikeneidlinger8857 kzbin.info?search_query=wu+tai+chi+vs+crane

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

One thing about this I find funny, is Jeff Chan goes out of his way to say Wing Chun works, but it's Wing Chun people that shit on the Wing Chun guy. Am I living in the Twilight Zone, where the MMA guy is endorsing Wing Chun and Wing Chun people are crapping on Wing Chun? I think the big problem is culturally Wing Chun people have problems accepting that someone may be more skilled than them, so every time Wing Chun doe not dominate, they say things like it's not real Wing Chun, or they say Wing Chun is made for 'the street". They seem to have a real issue with admitting that in a given situation, one guy just had more skill than the Wing Chun guy.

[@kywaeh́sedits]

it's the practitioners not the art itself. you should checkout applied wing chun especially their training they are great and they are amazing at covering and they spar a lot, pressure, a lot of good drills and timing drills, workout/exercises and they also do long bridge not just short bridge meaning they do long range technique and other types of wing chun has them too, applied wing chun is just another way of saying yip man wing chun. You should watch duncan leung and You should also checkout sifu henery andera his KZbin channel is called ultimate martial arts academy and he has a lot of great stuff you should checkout the applied wing chun training that they do and his post, just to clarify with some techniques that you may see like a roundhouse kick or a hook or uppercut, those are wing chun techniques, the roundhouse kick is also called the sweep kick which comes from a additional from of the tripole kicking form and there are 8 kicks in wing chun and the sweep kick or low or roundhouse kick is one of them. you can also search up applied wing chun vs other martial arts like muay thai and there will be fights of which wing chun beats muay thai.

[@TheLuconic]

Im a Master Wong student and one of the first drills we do is literally step in while striking. Either thats to punch, elbow, kick, knee, doesnt matter. We move forward while this JKD fighter with a wing chun fraud license didnt do any of that.

[@georgeafutujr.9369]

Today, I estimate that 90% of Black Belt Martial Arts Instructors HAVE NO STREETFIGHTING EXPERIENCE, unlike 35 years ago, when no sensible dude would EVER allow himself to be trained in a Martial Arts School by an Instructor who NEVER FOUGHT in The Streets.

[@MYVLMA]

99%

[@georgeafutujr.9369]

@@MYVLMA Lol!

[@EliteBlackSash]

A hobbyist vs a pro fighter. The Outcome is decided before it ever starts. For the JKD Sifu - if he wants to better represent his Wing Chun, he should train Wing Chun and Muay Thai together, with an emphasis on Thai Plum.

[@chrismalp7702]

Hi everyone, I think that this kind of light sparring (not to defend the wing chun guy I am a Jeff Chan supporter) lead to nothing, or spar hard otherwise work at the pads, or related to self defence, pressure test your skills more related to real violence, also if is not possible to replicate a real scenario in my humble opinion... Put under the light this light spar honestly doesn't show if anyone is better than another in this case... Forgot to say at the end of the day e have to adapt our style mindset at the moment-

[@ehisey]

This kind of light sparring is a great way to showcase what you can do. If you cant showcase under light work, you are really going to struggle under heavy pressure.

[@Dannyjkd1]

Lol one jeff is pro fighter and two, izzo will love This, that's ninja nate. JKD

[@dlvt79]

chan seems to apply more wc than the other!

[@Greenminded1]

I took Wing Chun for a 7 years, then I did MMA for 10. Chi sao only works on the ground for me. WC striking never worked for me. The footwork was beneficial. They do have decent cardio (in general). I dunno, each style has its uses.

[@leolejo4891]

What i see this is sparring between MMA( Mix Martial Arts) that men in long pants have bit wing chun, bit JKD, bit boxing, and bit Karate

[@flip0345]

Bruce lee made wing chun famous, but he studied everything not only one discipline

[@thebaneking4787]

Jeff is known for going to hard on new guys. There’s multiple videos. But that’s how I had to learn. I always liked Izzo it was just that Sly guy he was always with. Lenny Sly. Look into him. I don’t like him but he makes Aikido look legit on a HOLLYWOOD level. I’d be interested in knowing what he’s doing these days though.

[@onyxstone4618]

Izzo has to defend Wing Chun. But the problem with the excuses is, that Wing Chun is like this in every video you will ever find. Boxing as a fist fighting style is far and away superior.

[@ehisey]

There are good videos out there and even ones with Jeff. The amount of bad WC video is less about the art being bad and more about it being a popular whipping boy.

[@universalredguard]

Wingchun dude is not stepping in he's just lingering back, being all weak and timid, its cringe.

[@hotpopcorncake]

When he mention 52 blocks i'm like 😬😬😬😬😬 But what ever

[@ehisey]

Most martial artist heal different than general public do to the training snd body conditioning.

[@JKDVIPER]

4:47 Ninja Nate is a tough kid. I’m telling you. He’s not only an athlete, but he can really do the bruce Lee stuff. The athletic stuff. The acrobatics, his trapping, but at a base, he is a tough kid from a tough town, and he’s no wimp. Just saying. Because DOM was kinda making it seem as if something is wrong with his material. Nate has fantastic ability, but his fighting skill is way up there. 😎👈🏻💯awesome show by the way! What Jeff and Nate were doing was having a friendly sparring match with GLOVES ON. Wing Chun is devastating. We do it with no gloves. It hurts bad. 😂❤ya, but that was neat though. Two nice guys just shaking it up is all.

[@screamtheguy6425]

The point wasn't that he wasn't tough, it was his poor technical ability to execute wing chun. I'm a wing chun guy and Nate had no distance management, footwork, and was obsessed with using his bong sao energy rolling punches while his body was rolling side to side. There's no wing chun if you can't occupy the center.

[@JKDVIPER]

@@screamtheguy6425 I see. Ya, to me, Nate is going easy because Jeff and him are good guys, no need to show off kinda thing. To me, for starters, they shouldnt be wearing boxing gloves for wing Chun anyways. So that's one issue I see. 😁

[@KatoMLee]

Izzo is correct

[@The_AntiVillain]

If you pause then the "." and " , " keys moves the video by 1 frame

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

Wing Chun with gloves it's like a Pure Boxer Kicking, Obviously Wing Chun will be nerfed if they put gloves the style are made for bare hands that's the whole point of WC.

[@Lionheart_Kickboxing]

This excuse has been around forever gloves or no gloves shouldn’t change the effectiveness of the art so much that it doesn’t work.

[@theursidaepugilist]

@@Lionheart_Kickboxing Jka shotokan and kyokushin are bare knuckle they don't use this excuse.

[@algierssolja]

BJJ alone is better than wing chun, but bjj mixed with Taekwondo is laughably better than wing chun in a very dominant way. Wing Chun ain't like BJJ. Kyuokushin, MMA, Boxing/kickboxing/thaiboxin, Wrestling/BJJ/Judo those are the top tier arts that function. Wing Chun is on a level with Aikido and all of the arts with cooperative opponents like 1 and 2 step sparring. When BJJ guys compete you literally assume the risk of death (blood cut from the brain) or great bodily harm (broken limbs) if you have a bad ref. That's not happening in wing chun brother. Even in wrestling you are just going for pins.

[@axelstone3131]

Bjj in self defence will get you killed. Stay on your feet and don’t be brainwashed.

[@Luci823]

The wing chun just need to be modified they do have boxing gloves should have done mma. This guy with the white hair has been talking for years never seen him spar

[@udisinger4422]

100% He does pseudo wing Chun well keeping boxing distance notary hearing to occupying center line and swarming opponent. Wing Chun is nice to knows combat no defense pure savagry. These kind of exchanges gives wing Chun bad rep in my opinion. The problem with many traditional martial arts is that big part of the curriculum has no combat exchange. They are played like sports. Wing chun is no sport.

[@tairra777]

that guy is doing JKD not Wing Ch un I train in both

[@paparadeliko]

10:30 and after. that's the issue with the theories on wing chun. Once u put it in practice, crowding and being mindlessly aggressive, and being ready to eat some punches IS partly garbage. Bare knuckle or not, u will get starched if ur chin isn't made of iron, and u just will get countered. A martial art solely based on attack? And badly executed attacks, its not even a 50 /50 chance

[@ehisey]

Getting hit is a real part of any fighting. The trick is learning to take the hit.

[@ehisey]

Classic issues with lack of sparring. WC guy did not engage at effective ranges. WC guy lacked to have the basic skills to make the basic techniques functional. Most styles will shift down to the basic skill sets of kicks and straight punches when sparring becuase it is basics. Requires resistances work dedicated to refine the unique aspects of an art to a functional level. Without that those skills go never achieve usablity.

[@MrCBTman]

More like professional fighter beats amateur. So many of these mismatches are really about that, not the arts being used. Plus, you can’t judge an art focused on creating injuries (the goal of self defense training) on how good it is at sport-fighting (where the rules are there to prevent injury) and where half of its techniques are not available.

[@blainerock4129]

What about the MyVMLA guy?

[@blainerock4129]

Sifu Milos Drakulic

[@dimigeorg1044]

If you want to learn self defence you should learn wrestling, boxing, muay thay, kyukushin karate and as an extra wimg chun and krav maga.

[@DenshaOtoko2]

It's Ninja Nate a JKD Concepts sifu.

[@axelstone3131]

He’s useless. That’s what you get by having a concepts teacher and being taught nonsense.

[@KatoMLee]

Did not see any wing chun. False advertising where is the wing chun? Why is the wc guy trying to box?

[@tailssexe]

I didnt know guys who wear villian shirts act like a tubby wubby teletubbies towards someone who he hasnt ever fought. I think he would whoop em even tho villian has wing chung background he is so stupid he would get bruised all over if he fought a real fighter let me see a video of villian fighting instead of all that talk

[@pm7081]

At 5 minutes he mentions Simon Lau, is this the same guy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmfCfGp6baeSqsk

[@bigbodykarate6403]

to anyone that thinks Wing chun is effective i highly recommend going to a MMA or Muay Thai gym and sparring a few rounds . you'll change your mind quick .

[@souetrejeremy]

The comparison makes zero sense because MMA is not strictly speaking a "style", so i don't even know why you bothered writing this.

[@kywaeh́sedits]

very ignorant comment i've seen wing chun been effectively used against arts like muay thai is it is the fighter not the martial art.

[@Danetto]

thats what u should stick to xd commenting on other youtubers videos...

[@Dan.50]

Wang chung was created for Black Belt theater. It's got a great backstory, a cool looking training dummy, everything you need to get people that don't know any better to sign up for class. At the end of your journey YOU actually become the wang chung dummy!

[@axelstone3131]

Wang Chung lol

[@KatoMLee]

What is wang chung?

[@guyfawkes5012]

that dude is just obnoxious x.x

[@inside_fighting]

Izzo? He's proud of it lol :) It's part of his charm.

[@pathfinder7614]

Izzo knows his shit, that's for sure, but he definitely is interesting. I live in Chicago. I inquired about lessons from him, he told me it was $3,000 a month and he requires 2 days a week and 2 months minimum payments at a time. I was dying laughing as I was reading that email. I train kickboxing, BJJ, and MMA from a former world champion in a state of the art facility for less a year than he wanted to charge me a month. Or maybe it was $1500 a month, but $3,000 per payment because of his 2 month thing. I just remember it was ridiculously expensive. He might know his shit, but he way over values his instruction. Buy a car or let this guy train you in wing chun for a year.....lol.

[@axelstone3131]

He’s a dickhead. A lot of people don’t like him for that very reason.

[@marioehlerding7359]

Das ist kein Wing tsun chun.

[@karloreda]

These are all bullshit. Take a bear and give him boxing gloves. It's the same. And t's simple. Always the same videos and te same stupid situation.

[@souetrejeremy]

The thing is the literal techniques (situational by definition) from WC don't work out as well in a sparring situation where a skilled opponent also feels your body mass and gets to react accordingly. Jeff Chan is also that good at knowing and playing into them (see the Kevin Lee videos where's he's featured). I heard Bruce Lee didn't rely on WC techniques (trapping, mostly) as much during the late development of his approach of JKD, as you don't really need them with the footwork and ability to work on the range (while WC is kind of about two guys fighting in a phone cab). MMA is exactly what it stands for : a mix of martial arts and not some sort of "supreme style" meant to obliterate the others. One needs to expand their vocabulary to deal with the concrete situation of facing an opponent with various backgrounds.

[@inside_fighting]

I thought Kevin did well against him tbh

[@souetrejeremy]

@@inside_fighting For sure. I saw the video where Jeff was the one trying WC against Kevin going for different styles, including Savate.

[@screamtheguy6425]

Ok to correct you, Bruce Lee didn't have to rely on trapping because he was Bruce Lee. He was talented and hardworking. Not because having tactile sensitivity is useless. Bruce had amazing power and speed with good mobility, his first punch would stun you quite accurately. However, he has the trapping as a tool from wing chun if you were able to intercept his attacks.

[@lovelife1867]

Jeff Chan is not a nice guy. He is a nice guy when he sees he could lose or it is convenient to be nice. He is always pushing and when he went to Th , I actually saw some of the ppl I trained with, he did not understand the assignment until his ass met the floor.

[@inside_fighting]

@@lovelife1867 he seems like a nice guy with lots of people. I’ve seen him spar friendly with lots of well known KZbinrs

[@lovelife1867]

@@inside_fighting i say black you say white. But we all know who's right (me). Don't be an endless contrarian damnit

[@inside_fighting]

@@lovelife1867 😂😂😂

[@lovelife1867]

@@inside_fighting

[@Lionheart_Kickboxing]

Jeff is one of the nicest people you can meet and his sparring etiquette is excellent. He prefers to keep his words to himself or say nice things then give negative critiques.

[@alexanderkappelhoff2819]

I'm not a fan of this other youtuber. So snarky.

[@lukasbalchunas1272]

I'm a gay Lithuanian man and I'm muscular and practice martial arts. I enjoy wrestling with strong men and it makes me feel good and excites me. There's something erotic about wrestling as a gay man. I love being close to a man and feeling his arms, chest and back.

[@inside_fighting]

Well that escalated quickly 🧐

[@axelstone3131]

@@inside_fighting🤣 what a crazy comment

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

you like getting TAPPED, with a padded limb. If you REALLY get hit with a shod foot or a bare hand, you not only wont like it, you might well never recover from it. That hand can have a knife in it it and you'll never see it, before you've FELT it. this clinch and grabbling bs is very, very dangerous. I MIGHT risk grappling, with my teenage daughter, but everyone else is going to get their knee bent the "wrong' way" and their face clawed-off.

[@MarcusAurelius12]

Guest talks too much. Lost interest

[@rickyjames4228]

IVE HAD FRIENDS AND UNCLES WHO GREW UP ON THE OLD HOUSE OF MARTIAL ARTS THEY PICKED THEIR ART FROM THE LATE 70'S EARLY 80'S AND STUCK WITH IT NOT LOOKING TO SEE IF WHAT YOU DO IS EFFECTIVE IN OUR WORLD TODAY THEY WATCHED UFC WITH ME SINCE 90'S SAYING " I WOULD DO CROCHING CRANE TO HIM ETC ETC AND IM LIKE YEAH LOL THE WING CHUN PUNCH IS GOOD AND EYE GOUGE BUT ILL KEEP MY MUAY THAI BOXING AND MMA( GRAPPLING) IVE PUT TOGETHER OVER THE YEARS.

[@webherring]

That guy was basement self-taught JKD all day long, not wing chun. To paraphrase Will Smith, keep my wing chun's name outta your F-ing mouth!! 😑

[@ansgar759]

Really bad commentary.

[@MrCBTman]

I dislike these disrespectful video titles. Especially for a channel that is typically very respectful.

[@inside_fighting]

Not intended to be disrespectful. I felt like he was outclassed even though Jeff was going very light.

[@MrCBTman]

@@inside_fighting Jeff is a professional fighter who also has a martial arts channel composed almost entirely of his sparring sessions with elite fighters around the world. He sometimes goes around cities asking people to try to punch him in the face and films it. Sparring is his hobby, his sport, and his vocation. He’s fighting someone who’s regular training schedule is not sport or competition-focused. That is why Jeff won so easily.

[@inside_fighting]

@@MrCBTman not so simple… Jeff fights numerous guys who are not pros and plays their game and you see him learn and struggle… here there was simply outclassing even as he lowered his standard… The ability of the wing chun guy to hang in there was not because of Jeff’s skill alone but also because of his own lack of fighting experience and pressure testing which is the entire point… most wing chun guys lack this skillset… not all… but most.

[@MrCBTman]

@@inside_fighting He’s never sparred or competed at anywhere near Jeff’s level. This kind of sparring is not a good test of wing chun’s strategies and techniques, which are oriented toward creating an immediate injury that ends the encounter.

[@BeefDog666]

unfortunately in my experience 90% of wing chun schools in the u.s. were trained themselves to “guard the ricebowl” as the chinese say. in otherwords they dangle a carrot for 10+ years without actually teaching you to fight proficiently while shelling out 1000’s of dollars. i recently switched to MY VLMA in florida under Sifu Milos and its the total opposite, like no other wing chun school ive ever seen. he’s shown me that wing chun is certainly one of the most violent and vicious fighting styles known to man and i was a skeptic. i think WC gets a bad rap because of this

[@IzzoWingChun]

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