Wing Chun beats Kyokushin!!! - Was not expecting this!!!

[@MYVLMA]

Great Video! What makes it great ? It is how Ilan proved again that he is not only a fighter or a busy martial artist, it is that he is a true expert in understanding movements, patterns and styles. Not favouring anything, but showing and explaining things pretty detailed as they appear. I love both styles and I have seen more Wing Chun guys getting knocked down by karate guys than the other way round, but in these situations everyone can see the benefit of Wing Chung philosophies and fighting mottos. Great job Ilan and thank you very much for your kind and nice words. I feel very honoured. I appreciate it a lot. God bless you🙏💪😉

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you my friend 🙏🏼

[@EpherosAldor]

One of the things that aggravates me about Wing Chun and much of the FMA is that you have all these awesome techniques you learn, all these sensitivity drills and and reactionary tactics, but it really just goes all out the window because a street fight looks very much like you see here in this video, where the two opponents just dance around just out of range, then someone does something and it's back to out of range or the fight is suddenly in a clench/grapple. When training in Wing Chun and Kali, for myself, I never see these styles train for this behaviors. Instead, everything is exploring flows and drills, which is great because you learn so much about the art and about movement and more, but when it comes to street fighting, applying them in these street tactics isn't there. That engagement barely, if ever, exists in a street fight. Anyway, great review and discussion here, and thanks so much to Sifu Milos for helping to bring more light to Wing Chun!

[@calmwater2529]

4:54 blocking is not a fundamental Wing Chun concept. Gauging space through sensitivity is. When in Bai Jong, (training guard posture-I don't use it when sparring but it is used by 90% of Wing Chun persons) the Man Sao (asking hand) or front hand in this case, is there to feel for incoming force, weapons (hands), and seeking a bridge (to trap) or an opening in the opponents guard or punching sequence. It does not force a block... it feels. This is a very old video. These guys move well but don't have any power nor versatility at all. They seem to be newer students.

[@AmericankickboxingMMA]

@@inside_fighting wing chun guys are clawing the eyes of kyokushin guys.

[@gerryvazquez4955]

I have trained both systems. Found both of them to be highly effective. My teach had us pressure test the damn of out of our Wing Chun. We’d get invited to different school for friendly all out fight fest. Good time. I found that Kyokushin gave me the grit to fight beyond the fatigue. A spirit that has helped me in all facets of my life. I love them both. I have seen this video years ago and always felt like the Karatekas were lacking. I would had loved the challenge to test my Karate.

[@inside_fighting]

I think they jusut weren't expecting the Wing Chun guys to bring it that hard. Kyokushin more than any system develops that fighting spirit i find.

[@richardlau2447]

Both style fighters were of different levels and sizes.both were not the best of their arts. Obviously there are way better. I too trained in king fu and karate. The one who trains hard is the better fighter.

[@sallhame]

In what style did you train hardest?

[@grantsolomon7660]

I trained in Choy Lee Fut and they drummed it into our heads that it is the best.But I started training with friends that did karate boxing and met someone who had done wing chun.The wing chin fellow had insane speed and his angles were so precise it totally opened my eyes.Do your art for me love of it what ever you do and to hell with politics.

[@minhducle8895]

thats a GOOD wing chun school

[@Ed7501]

WTF the second wing chun guy was sparring with his glasses on, lol

[@inside_fighting]

@@Ed7501 yes absolutely nuts 😂😂😂 i forgot to mention it

[@B..B.]

True power is knowing no one can punch your face

[@craneandcobraclosecombat]

Eye protection 😂 The last karateka probably wished he had glasses on!

[@grantsolomon7660]

You have to be able to see what going on.

[@lainhikaru5657]

If it's just playful light sparring I do it with my glasses on too, otherwise I take them off

[@unifedgongfu]

i really love few things here, as addons to what you have already said: 1. most of them bareknuckle sparing. 2. i just love hot to dojos met to have friendly sparing competition. no big event, no medals or trophies, no big ego. just met to fight, to learn by defeat or be endorsed by small polite victory. the type of competition where everybody wins. not as a cliché. if i would have a group, i would love have this sort of casual, sparing competitions with other schools and styles.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes no egos respecting hard sparring

[@loneronin6813]

Something else I really liked about the Wing Chun practitioners in these videos is that they changed their angles to match and remain directly in front of their opponent instead of leaping to just moving forward with their hands flailing. They were focused, used footwork, and didn't just jump straight into attack mode like a nervous habit. They were patient, and it did them a service. I only trained in Wing Chun briefly (and I can only grapple from standing now due to disabilities) but I had a poor teacher who would just sit in a chair and watch all the students try to teach each other. One thing I noticed was that everyone was in too big of a hurry to start punching and they all seemed scared or nervous to do anything else but charge forward flailing, making getting around their attacks or just jamming them up before they got a chance to move an easy task. Back then my only training was in Judo, and we would do drills where I was told to just throw the same combination of punches and even in these simulated drills, I still ended up being able to overpower, "The Wing Chun Guy," as they would call themselves, and one time this one student bragged about being able to detect patterns even though I was just throwing the punches I was told to throw. She kept telling me to do something different to try to surprise her, so I added in a backfist and if I hadn't stopped, she would've been hit because she had no defense for it as well as no defense whatsoever. My point is that I've experienced bad Wing Chun and while seeing good Wing Chun you can really see the differences when comparing the two.

[@MustAfaalik]

Well said! Been training in WC for many years & noticed that there is too much reliance on chain punching (S Blast), even then they are wrongly executed & at an ineffective distance. WC practitioners need to learn to close the distance & train in short & explosive power.

[@M_K-Bomb]

I will admit it does seem like one of the key differences with an effective martial art versus an ineffective one is their actual training in defence alongside any life training/sparring.

[@huntergrant6520]

Joka ninomiya fought wing chun guys when he was with kyokushin. He won. But he said their only issue was footwork.

[@MustAfaalik]

@@huntergrant6520 Damn right! WC is classified as a short system & clearly not suitable for the ring but can be effective when distance is closed as in a fight. WC guys tend to rely on chain punching & forgotten about arrow punches. Enuff said.

[@blacksheepjhn1027]

Back when I was more active in my Wing Chun training, I was taught that area you call the red zone should be thought of as a magnetic zone. Once the opponent crosses that zone we were to charge into them with the nearest weapon, usually the foot, depending on if you're late, early, or on time with the movement.

[@gw1357]

I'm a Wing Chun (adapted, mixed with some other stuff) guy that does spar a lot and different styles. You talked alot about the range management and you're right, but its also about bearing management -- keeping your line of attack on the opponent all the time. Look at the way all the Wing Chun guys meticulously manage bearing -- constant little steps to keep all four weapons (both hands, both feet) lined up on the opponent. Using that lead hand (the "man sao" or asking/inquisitive/questioning/interrogating hand) like the front sight post on a gun. That's a real important thing because you're only able to explode in (I call it "pouncing" like a cat) if your body is already precisely aimed down the line.

[@MrRourk]

Wing Chun mixes well with Mizong.

[@JackShen]

Thanks for finding and sharing this, feels good to see some WC guys come out on top once in a while.

[@inside_fighting]

Yea it’s cool to see why it works when it works

[@superfatbobtail]

Kyokushin-kan never has a branch in Jiangxi, China. The "Kyokushin peoples" in the video were a group of Tae kwon do instructors found Kyokushin has a much bigger market protential in Jiangxi, China. They purchased their kyokushin-kan gis from online suppliers and claimed they were legit kyokushin instructors in order to expand their martial arts business.

[@SoldierDrew]

I came from a strong boxing & grappling background, and trained goju ryu and hapkido, fought against Emin Boztepe in the 90s and couldn't touch his face or torso. He was incredible. As was my untouchable sifu Keith Fain.

[@Wise-Fool97]

This is one of my favorite examples of WC in action. It was shocking just how effective their guard was and their ability to defend and stay at the proper range. Instead of “defending” per say they just exploded into the target to stop their attack, along with their rudimentary grappling experience on both sides “which I was shocked and impressed by” basic grappling goes a long way. Another amazing video Coach! Thank you again 🙏

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks so much!

[@LambSauce.]

First guy really understood the concept of wing chun as well. You aggressively overwhelm your opponent into "survival mode". Their confidence dissipates. Same concept is used in ground fighting with the keysi fighting method as explained by Andy Norman. You keep attacking and overwhelm your opponent into just trying to survive your offense and shell up or just defend and hesitate to attack back.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes it shuts them down

[@peekaboojujitsoo525]

As Mike Tyson use to say, "take it to him"

[@leolejo4891]

To me what i learn from this video is the more experience u have the more u know how to adapt in any situation. Thanks for this good video👍☺️🙏

[@hendetta]

Really appreciate how your videos emphasize both the advantages and disadvantages of any martial art form. Respect.

[@kevingray4980]

About Wing Chun footwork, the most advanced looks simple, but like an iceberg with a lot hidden beneath the surface. Beginners get into trouble trying to copy the advanced strategy of directly contesting the center instead of the beginner strategy of cutting angles to catch them off center. Cutting angles is safer and easier at a low level, but more work and harder to pull off at the high level. If you first master footwork for the beginner strategy, it serves as a foundation and you can always fall back on it.

[@Autonamatonamaton]

I gotta say, there seems like there's two distinct trends of Wing Chun. One is the one that seems ineffective in sparring and gets clowned on the most - emphasis on sticky hands drills, flowing trapping movements, no actual live combat sparring, that "rooted" stance that looks so beautiful in demos but gives you terrible footwork in fights - I'd probably call that "Lifestyle" Wing Chun because it seems like a really fun hobby that would keep you fit, like Tai Chi or something. The other seems to be the actually combat effective style, where the emphasis is on exploding along the center line with a blitz of attacks aimed at different heights (straight kicks to the legs and body, punches to the head). This seems to be the kind of style that you could teach people to overwhelm untrained opponents on the mean streets of China, even (as the legend goes) to defeat bigger opponents, because even bigger opponents can be made to back off if your initial attack is as explosive and violent as possible. Both of these types have their own benefits, and I'm definitely not a hater of either one! Good to see some effective Wing Chun get recognition

[@philyip4432]

Wing Chun has improved a lot in the last sixty years . I see this with my own eyes.

[@ReshAleph]

hey bro, love the intro. My dad did Kyokushin and my little bro trains an Aussy NRL team how to sprawl and manipulate when tackling. He's a Wing Chun, Wrestling, Muay Tai, Boxing type of fulla and teaches BJJ. I like the weapons, doesn't matter what system you use as long as it works and they all work, you just need to know the application. Bruce Lees' Philosophy works perfectly for me, it makes sense, it is logical, reasonable and practical while being simple in principle. The complexity of simplicity. Anyway appreciate you brother, thank you.

[@DeepImpFitness]

It’s always about the fighter

[@inside_fighting]

Yes but also how they train… tools are relevant. It’s a combination of both the fighter and the tools they have

[@DeepImpFitness]

@@inside_fighting hmmm. Didn’t think about it from that angle. I’m a fighter as well. Train TKD and WC for 20 years. Saw holes in both so I supplemented with some BJJ and boxing. Now I combine everything

[@hotpopcorncake]

I'm not fan of Wing Chun, But i do notice in the Philippines Fma practitioners they implement Wing chun as their arsenal to close up the gap in close range. I personally like to use my mantis kung fu in close range with the trapping and throwing instead of the never ending Chain punching. As used to practice Kyokushin, I find this video very weird match.. Becuase if I step in the plate to fight with these guys they would be a different outcome.

[@alexanderren1097]

When I was a kid and saw the Ip Man movies I thought Wing Chun was a really impressive fighting system. Then I got older and learned more about martial arts systems and I dismissed Wing Chun as not being practical. Now, after learning MORE about Martial Arts, I’ve realized Wing Chun can be VERY effective but it has to be trained well, drilled, and pressure tested. Unfortunately most Wing Chun today isn’t well trained but the same can be said for most Karate too. Also, as with Karate (my own primary style) I’ve come to realize the majority of Wing Chun’s forms are primarily about stand up grappling, clinch fighting, and takedowns/throws/sweeps. Jesse Enkemp and Kevin Lee did a video comparing Karate’s Tekki/Naihanchi Kata to an old Wing Chun form. Now that I’ve seen it, I really believe both forms may have a common origin.

[@inside_fighting]

@@alexanderren1097 i agree entirely. They definitely have a common origin

[@Ed7501]

haha... yes. I'm a reformed Wing Chun hater myself :D

[@shawntailor5485]

I remember reading the little paper IP MAN books on sticky hands in 10 th grade . So 71 ? When king fu just seemed to be a picture of someone standing funny . Good job teacher !

[@shawntailor5485]

Kick auto corrects ass please

[@johnmichaelcanares2633]

They're definitely connected. If you trace back history, Karate and Wing Chun has the same lineage.

[@uli9084]

One of the best commentators. A lot of schools even prove only to be effective in chisau. Note also the more natural structure this wing chun uses to put more power in. A lot WC guys have very bended backs, wchich can be awkward in a real fight. I did both styles kyokushin and wing chun.

[@davidiz1980]

You are right about most wing chun practitioners not pressure testing. These guys are the exception to that.

[@NickKano11]

Really goes to show that it's thr training methodology rather than the techniques chosen that makes an art effective.

[@davidiz1980]

@@stanclark3992 I agree but all of that won’t mean much in a street altercation if you don’t spar regularly against a resisting opponent.

[@gunh4129]

I think most Martial Artists in the world are not pressure testing. That not only apply to Wing Chun. Even in boxing, Brazilian Jiujitsu and Muai thay, etc also have a lot of glorious hobbyist that don't have the quality of an athlete. That including me. What we see in this video is one of the example that not all Kyukushin practitioners are professional athlete. many of them are also hobbyist who don't have the body quality to fight in a ring. For me, the problem of most Chinese Traditional Martial art is, that they are mostly solitary business. The shi-fu / teacher is the highest boss in the gym / dojo. They don't have any association that greater than that local dojo. That's why even the teacher don't have the qualification of an athlete. They are just a high level hobbyist that pass the tradition from the older generation to the youth. What make Kyukushin better is because they have a better management than most Wing-chun dojo / gym. One of them is the appearance of championship within their rank. From within their own dojo, town level, regional level, national level, into the international level championship. That's why Kyukushin teaching has improve, more than many Wing-chun and other traditional martial art gym /dojo. Because they have the need to improve their disciples into an athlete. If all Wing-chun dojo can united and founding an international association that can accommodate several levels of championship, Specially full contact fighting championship, I'm sure that Wing-chun will developed more than what they have already have today. At least, they will have several students who ready to fight against people like Xu Xiandong.

[@gw1357]

I'm really enjoying this channel's embrace of Wing Chun.

[@JohnDoe-mp1yn]

really the problem with most "traditional" martial arts gyms is that a lot of practitioners avoid pressure testing and get myopic about their art. wing chun is really effective in that range where you're too far to get a clinch on a wing chun guy. straight punches are very hard to see due to the fact that human eyes react faster to peripheral movement, and legit wing chun guys really good at blitzing their opponents down.

[@contemptussaeculi8084]

WC was specifically designed to defeat linear attacks made with commitment, which is how Kyokushin attacks 75% of the time

[@khublieoldschoolgamer5737]

In the early UFC there was a Wing chung fighter who did quite well I think he won up to seven fights. A tall red headed guy..

[@dannyharris9897]

I like the episode because it emphasizes distance management. I think distance management is best learned in stick fighting. However, distance management gets much harder in the streets (which is something that doesn't get practiced enough.

[@qudavid1128]

Wonderful video once again and love your appreciation of the techniques. Had seen some of these clips in the 'bash Wing Chun' crew posts but this was different and shows the difference when someone technically diverse and appreciative of martial arts does the explaining. One take away for me tho, is the sudden realisation of the importance of Range and have decided to delve into it much more closely and try to master it, if that's possible.... Respect

[@amanokal5635]

Kyokushin guy must have skipped learning to kick .

[@inside_fighting]

I think they just got a bit overwhelmed with the punches

[@leolejo4891]

that what a call panic

[@philip6419]

FYI: In WC, Ip Man didn't train everyone the same. There were those WC learners who were into 'style'.. [Moy Yat].. and those who were "Fighters'... like WSL, and 'especially' Ip's early student, Hing Leung ( Duncan Leung] Ip was alone and missed his Sons. Duncan watched his father get murdered by Violent scum and then met Ip. It is said.. Ip took him in as a son and taught him "everything" the system has. Today, Duncans 'Old' system is much sought after.. with Forms that are Unique,... the "Sword" wooden Dummy, the "sticks" for footwork and the Tri-Podal for legworkl.. etc. So, IMHO.. 'depending' on who was taught and trained by Ip.. is who-beats-whom on the circuit!

[@florisvanlingen]

I believe one of the Wing-chun pratitioners here is Ding Hao and his sifu is Yu Chang Hua. You might remember them from the following: Ding fought Xu Xiaodong and Lost. Yu fought the one armed boxer and lost. Ding fought a kickboxer and lost.

[@SQUATCH100]

The entire concept of these two martial arts is to explode forward smashing through the attacker so that you can get the heck out of there. I have never understood the concept of stopping your attack. If you're trading blows, practice boxing.

[@illiJomusic]

Nice Lee Xiao Long shirt. When I watch Strickland fight, I see Wing Chun and JKD for all the same things. Straight kick, and lead hand managing distance.

[@inside_fighting]

Yea i can see that

[@JonathanMartinez-fw5fq]

Thanks for doing this video with critique, shows that wing tsun can be viable if you know what your doing.

[@aluisiofsjr]

That Wing Chun fighter later fought against Xu Xiadong and his friend fought the one arm Boxer, that same day of that viral video.

[@AKlover]

I would think the Kyokushin fighters would take more of A wrestlers approach of "take A hit to give A better hit!" Kyokushin guys seem to not protect their face so the Wing Chun fighters can constantly peck.

[@inside_fighting]

@@AKlover it doesn’t take much to the face to cause damage. That’s the big caveat

[@Heavy-metaaal]

Three martial arts I think are the best: Kiokushin Karate, Wing Chung and Jiu Jitsu. I think, if you know these, man, your opponent you be in serious trouble. 👏👏👏

[@hypramgeth7449]

What I saw was timing. Wing Chun's body dynamics is so tight it doesn't give an opponent much chance to disrupt momentum building but it can interrupt the flow of an opponent's movement if they're predictable.

[@winddragonmma]

In the old school Wing Chun was very effective because of how they trained it.

[@fate2decide21]

Wing chun also did well during the 70s when Gary Lam was full contact champ between Gung fu and karate competitions. Wing chun practitioners need to spar with different styles to learn how to adapt, take a punch, close the gap, when to retreat because we don't really cover up or Bob n weave. I think Jimmy Fong is a great Wing chun practitioner with Kevin Lee too

[@AndyBrice]

When I did Wing Chun (many years ago) it was all about moving forward, straight up the centreline into close punching range - which is very difficult to deal with if you are used to sparring with lots of space. You definitely didn't stand still or move backwards.

[@udisinger4422]

Nice analysis. I love learning. Always something to learn. Wing Chun fighter is more static but does move in. I think the idea that Wing Chun is stiffed and not dynamic is a myth All you have to do is watch Sifu TengYao videos. I think it's the best representation of the dynamic aspects of combat wing chun. I think social media in general inside martial arts circles have given wing Chun and Kung Fu in general a bad reputation by filming unskilled of pseudoskilled fighters. In this video most look like solid fighters that are willing to take risks and fight nose to nose. It's not only moving forward and occupying center line It's also using timing proper footwork agility in footwork ability to fight outside center line and reestablish an outside center line if needed. He is using lots of Bik Ma stepping. Not using Jun Ma enough. Just my opinion. As you said Wing Chun pride itself of simplicity but to my experience it has plenty tools within that simplicity to have a savage battlefield. Often I find as I visited dojo's worldwide United States and overseas that the curriculum is very static no dynamic relying on theories and forms rather than combat and application 👊 solid channel keep sending them videos

[@JKDVIPER]

2:55 right. He controlled the range. He economized the exchange. And that’s real raw brutal wing chun striking. We have a lot more shifting and control though. But still.... good I agree.

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

This is a classic example of 'it's not the style but the practitioner that counts'.

[@craneandcobraclosecombat]

Nice. And there’s much more in WC too. Check out Adam Chan for a quick example. Good WC has loads of sensitivity, angles to strike, angles to imbalance the opponent, and nasty, sneaky in-close kicks. And, YES, it does better on the street in self defense due to the speedy razing or shredder style of striking and the fact that half the strikes are illegal in Sport contests.

[@austerepotato3159]

The biggest problem with WC is that it’s reactive/defensive, and our reaction time is too slow to be effective..

[@kirvin2]

Why would the camera man record their feet??? Maybe they think they can learn their footwork. The more experienced of the Wing Chun practitioners have an explosive power that you mention a few times. This is a combination of explosive power and inch power. Karate and Wing Chun both have their roots in the same arts and believe it or not these power concepts are in karate, but rarely taught. Also the part where you said the fighter used his front hand to gauge distance. This is in Passai Kata, when you are in a cat stance and pivot with your forward hand searching in the dark. These concepts come from the same arts in southern China.

[@Knucky_Sammich]

Everybody have fun tonight, Everybody Wing Chun tonight!

[@inside_fighting]

😂

[@Greenminded1]

I competed in MMA for 10 years. I was traditionally trained in Wing Chun. Chi-sao is sick for BJJ. Striking style of WC has never worked for me in a real fight. But grappling, movement, and flow,… Wing Chun has much to offer.

[@martinstuvland8620]

Amazing video. Though I am curious why the kyokushin guys don't use front kicks as much. As that would seem an excellent why to counter wing chuns rapid punches. Maybe it's just what you say. That they get overwhelmed and aren't prepared for the explosiveness!

[@inside_fighting]

I think that’s what it is. And lots of lead kicks from the wing chun guys maybe.

[@Heavy-metaaal]

Man, this red zone is interesting. And the idea not to block the attacks are interesting too. 🤔

[@lusitanus6504]

The wing chun guy could take of his glasses!

[@inside_fighting]

@@lusitanus6504 he’s too bad ass to care about broken glass in his eyes!

[@lusitanus6504]

@@inside_fighting 😂 I Guess so.

[@sardalamit]

He is training for the Da Streetz! You don't have time to take off your glasses when someone attacks you, do you?

[@JKDVIPER]

I knew I liked your show. 😎🤟🏼💯

[@thomasbrown3793]

Love the Predator head in the background lol

[@counterstrike89]

Bro, Wing Chun's whole theory is range, everything about it is about the range, that's its biggest advantage and positioning the fighter to always be at an advantage of position and range. But yeah, maybe a lot of Wing Chun guys don't spar enough.

[@ardeleanuradu]

I would love to hear your take on the KI FIGHTING SYSTEM. created by the late Joseph Simonet. It's based on wing chun and silat, with a touch of kempo.Especially his supported elbow frame is incredibly effective, and i talk from experience.

[@TwiztedHumor]

Now imagine if the wc guy actually had iron arms like you are supposed to have in any historical martial arts.

[@dababy4182]

Yes when I transitioned from kyokushin to kickboxing/muay thai the first few months were extremely demoralizing as I got easily overwhelmed by head punches. I was getting bested by people who had done kickboxing for less than a yr. But it got exponentially better once i got the boxing down and I would progress much faster than others.

[@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst]

Maybe the Kyokushin guys agreed to this match so that they could get some experience defending head shots.

[@inside_fighting]

That’s usually how it goes. A little bit of training on kyokushin fighters in other styles goes a very long way

[@christophermorocco1709]

Hey, I would like to see more Polynesian martial arts videos

[@woopishk]

i love win chun it has flaws or the practictions don't maximise the techniques for instance 'head up chin exposed'. the use of Elbows, underutilized jab and the leg check, some call it push kick. all of these are bundled in Win Chun. You have to make it your own. Me I am a Ti chi practicioner 240lbs and 6' . i use Win Chn Techniques with the Krav Maga mind. my body type, my skill, my aggression. but I never leave out the basics.

[@jaredchan4736]

I think the first wing chun guy was a young Ding Hou. The guy that eventually got thrashed by Xu Xiaodong. Look carefully, I am quite certain it is him.

[@Herowebcomics]

Kyokushin is good for toughness,but Wing Chun gives you good hands!😎

[@mercedcali6519]

Is there any way you might be able to show techniques using the igorot axe? The L shaped one.

[@tactusxii]

Kyokushin karate doesn't train punches to the face. By the way: maybe IP man was real!?

[@KevinHopkins-re1zv]

its also not all about the technique failing or not failing between the styles, it has a lot to do with the skill level of the individual using the techniques. As someone who started off with tae kwon do for 5 years then mma for 3 years before getting into wing chun and jeet kune do to add new skills to my inside striking game. everybody using the techniques even within the same school same system and even same ranking does not have the same skill level. you have to take that into consideration for why something worked against one guy and not the other, it may not be just the technique. ex: just because someone can throw a back kick does not mean they understand the timing or possess the speed to hit the opponent with it. when i started mma they told me we never do spin kicks like back kick spinning hook kick here because they do not work, what he should have said is he does not use it because he's not trained or skilled properly to execute those very effective kicks. i drilled the same guy with the same kick he said wouldn't work against mma in sparring and the same guy said, 'i guess it does work" after i was done. because of proper training and understanding of the technique i can land my back kick quiker than most people can throw a roundhouse kick, and i have repeatedly proven that in person. just look at video's of Raymond Daniels to see how effective these kicks can be in mma, but also yes there was a learning curve in switching from taekwondo to mma which is to be expected, its why i'm such a strong believer in mixing and blending the styles together. in martial arts in general, experience has taught me everything works and nothing works, there's a lot to that including skill level, luck, hard work to increase physical attributes, and just having that dog in you that others don't have. don't freeze, often times, the hardest person to fight is the one who believes he can beat you.

[@makesenz]

No Kyokushin black belt detected. Looks like one of those typical promotion vids were Kung Fu beats everything and everyone. I'm a Kyokushin black belt myself and we just don't move like this.

[@theursidaepugilist]

Yeah Ive seen this video a lot either bottom tier school or not kyokushin or a promotion.

[@alexazuaje4780]

Very beautifull video keeps on like that❤

[@MrRourk]

Wing Chun mixed with Mizongy is very effective.

[@EvanTateMusic]

A lot of the Pro Champions these days don't Spar in the traditional sense of the word. They do more "controlled" sparring, so that one can actually trains and NOT get wild.

[@inside_fighting]

Yea they don't want the brain damage and they want to save it for the ring. But those guys went through the hard sparring already. I think it's necessary at some point.

[@hellohennessy3462]

What happened to "If it looks like Wing Chun, then it isn't Wing Chun"? Very cool video. Best WC application out there.

[@inside_fighting]

@@hellohennessy3462 i like that saying 😅

[@sergiobatista2272]

Wing Chun may or may not look like wing Chun, it doesn't matter. What it really matters is that the practitioner knows what he is doing. And this wing Chun practitioners in this video aren't showing really good wing Chun, as a wing Chun practitioner myself (since the 90s) I can tell you guys that this is only a basic normal way of fighting. If they were from the Leung Ting lineage, they would fight much better than this (even if they were beginner to medium level). Distance control is a thing that I've been observing that that 90 % of fighters fail, not only in wing Chun but also in all combat systems. I've also seen that in mma fights most fighters have bad distance control, and also bad strategy, that's why I've never considered mma fighters good fighters... Sorry mma fans 😂

[@hellohennessy3462]

@@sergiobatista2272 Actually, mma fighters have good distance control, but when both have good distance control, your goal is to disrupt your opponent's distance control. In the video, the WC people had distance control, while the Karatekas did not. This made it appear like the WC person had very good distance control and controlled the fight. But if the WC practitioner were to face a pro mma fighter, both practitioners would look like clowns playing tag. If anything, western combat sports have better distance control as it is one of the fundamental trainings compared to traditional martial arts

[@hellohennessy3462]

​@@sergiobatista2272 Actually, I'll be honest, I doubt you can fight. I tried being nice, but my mind just can't leave in good conscious after ignoring 90% of your comment. Lineage won't change much. What is the main difference between lineages? Principles. Those are the only differences. Training methods are the same, you have the same techniques. MMA fighters are bad fighters? Then what is a good fighters? No strategy? what are you talking about? You say these things because you have no idea what it is to fight. You probably think that feinting at the head is stupid, but by doing so, you instill the fear of getting jabbed into your opponent creating openings. Maybe your definition of a good fighter is different. Maybe, a good fighting won't necessarily win against a bad fighter. But if we both share the definition of good fighter, then you and I would be dog shit fighters. The guys in the videos were very good fighters. I can't let you disrespect them. 90% of wing chun blocks are uesless. Why? because each block is only designed to block 1 specific attack. Then the question comes, how do you know what attack is coming your way? 50% of a hook, is a refular straight punch. If you Pak Sau, you are done. The guys in the videos were succesful thanks to Bil Sau and Bong Sau. Bil sau will stop straight pucnhes ard hooks all together. Bong Sau will do the same but at a very close range. No matter what attack comes, Bil Sau and Bong Sau will save you. Any other techniques will just fry your brain. And guess what? Bil Sau is just the equivalent of a long guard and the Bong Sau is just a Wing Block in MMA terms. If a martial art needs the practitioner to be superhuman and above average, then it isn't thanks to the martial art but the fighter. I'll also take this oppurtunity to criticize another aspect of Wing Chun. The abosolutely weak punch in the entire world of martial arts. Short range of motion wasting all possible times for acceleration, the short range overall forcing you to be in the elbow range of your opponent. Look at how many punches that kyokushin guy ate? I use the chain punch a lot. I use it as a tool to pressure, but I'll always resort to the regular staight punch to finish the job. Bruce Lee said it himself. In relative terms, Wing Chun has the best short range punch. It exploits 100% of the power that can be generated in the realm of physics. But a regular punch, despite only exploiting 80%, will generate far more power. I don't know if you remember anything from your physics class back in your highschool years. I'll finish my rant here.

[@hellohennessy3462]

@@sergiobatista2272 And finally, I don't know how you consider MMA distance management bad, when you have fighters that can reliably dodge punches by 1 inch. This just shows that when punching, they are accurate in their distance management but mere inches, while the defender can easily pin point where the hit will land and avoid it by an inch,

[@SoldierDrew]

The wing chun guy in glasses obviously comes from a totally different lineage thane because we were taught never back up, wing tsun only has forward & lateral movement but no reverse/retreating/backing up. Backing up is not Wing Tsun. We the adversary advances we rush out to meet them in battle.

[@VikingMale]

There is a lot of grappling in wring chun.

[@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst]

NOw that I'm a little older, I'm starting to realize that most martial arts have more grappling than it first appears.

[@inside_fighting]

It came out in this video

[@benconforzi5696]

I swear some of the most shallow people on earth are Martial artist. All of them forget that it's the fighter, NOT the fighting style but NO it's always the martial art fault. It's never the artist fault. Some people are better at fighting then others, yet for some reason they all seem to forget that.

[@arbogast4950]

IMO wing chun guy in fight 4 looked more like Xing Yi feet with wing chun hands.

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

Wing chun seems clearly designed around the usage of blades, where it becomes highly effective as power's not as important as clean contact and penitration. And with that caviat I'd rank it highly practical and street effective. But hand to hand it's offense lacks stopping power. First exposed to wing chun in the 90s by a navy seal, but highly doubt he was employing it empty handed.

[@kevionrogers2605]

They received wing chun and kali training from the inosanto lineage. Later, in the training, Sayoc was added to the curriculum.

[@scriptkiddy1492]

A question about the last wing chun guy using his right as lead hand: Is using the dominant hand to lead a wing chun thing or should we rather assume that his left hand is the dominant one?

[@enriquetorres1745]

Yo man, I watched your video about all kinds of different martial arts styles. But there is one you forgot. Jeet kune do from the greatest martial arts bruce lee. I really like to see you talk about jeet kune do and choy li fut kung fu

[@Frankie1622]

I am certain fights 4 and 5 were the exact same fight but shot from different angles (and by different camerapeople)

[@Polentaccio]

They are a bit sloppy and like all Wing Chun, leave their damn chin out there hanging BUT as you mentioned, wild forward pressure and using that Jack Dempsey fall step as they move to get more power. They could use some parrying to set up their shots though but what do I know, I'm an out of shape dad bod now and haven't sparred in years. I'd probably get my gut behind a few heavy shots as well and say the hell with parrying lol.

[@ArizonaTengu]

Wing Chun guys taking advantage of the common weakness of Kyokushin fighters…Head attacks. Just like boxers overwhelming them too.

[@kungfuwitcher7621]

No, it’s forward and reset, and forward and rest and so on until you defeat your opponents. You are not supposed to let your openent kick you, in reality you are supposed close the range so you deny your opponent any space. However, Wing Chun can be flawed so that’s why the likes of me study a hybrid system that is refined more for the modern age.

[@francescorossi7456]

Hello Inside fight, do you know gran master Emin Boztepe? Is one of the best wing Tzun fighter in the world. I really good real wing Tzun.

[@danimass6067]

4 and 5 are the same fight just from a different angle

[@inside_fighting]

Interesting. 🧐

[@christianmueller6583]

WC still looks like an chinese adaption of the old school english pugilism from 200 years ago. Maybe some chinese lads back then got into brawls with english sailors in Shanghai , haha. That pretty smart footwork they show isn`t part of their "Kata", or ?

[@christianmueller6583]

@@johndough8115Interesting . By the way , my grandad called Boxing "fencing with the fist", too ( "Fechten mit der Faust", um genau zu sein) !

[@Jon-tsuki-geri]

The main problem with the second wing Chun guy tho bro is he was wearing glasses bro! That is crazy. I've seen this video before and if remember correctly it's a club vs club rivalry that we don't seem to have in the west.

[@alanc457]

Don’t have in the west….anymore! 😆

[@nunyabizness2477]

So, when Wing Chun guys actually spar as part of their training they're actually able to use it effectively. Crazy, right?

[@inside_fighting]

hahahah who would have thought?

[@sergeantonionzindros-luu2366]

Hey could I plz get a link to the og vid?

[@toddellner5283]

In the end people fight people. Systems don't fight systems.

[@honigdachs.]

Sorry to disappoint, but the footage referenced here is most likely BS. The "Kyokushin" dudes didn't look like any Kyoushin fighter I've ever seen (I'm from that style myself). Generally Kyokushin people are very strong and stable, almost immovable, and have clean, focused and powerful technique. The guys shown here have no idea what they're doing, and their general approach doesn't look like anything a typical Kyokushin practitioner would do. I'm pretty sure that these people are either frauds, or have been presented as "Kyoushin" without their own knowledge. There is unfortunately a thing in China where they come up with bogus events to showcase the supposed superiority of chinese arts. They have people dress up as other styles and then enact mock fights where the Kung Fu guys end up beating everyone. Maybe this is one of those.

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

I'm glad that this did not turn into a man-love event.

[@lindseytufts2968]

Gotta do one on southern praying mantis

[@itllkeal]

I often wonder why inside fighting is great for 1 on 1 against someone like Mike Tyson when he could destroy 2 or 3 at once, but outside fighting serves better for multiple opponents at the same time.Thanks

[@inside_fighting]

@@itllkeal yea it’s preferential based on your body type and movement style. Fighting in the outside is always safer technically

[@gnos1s171]

Honest question, why don't people in kyokushin ever create applications/bunkai to their kyokushin kata? they have a lot of kata, from both naha and shuri styles of karate like goju ryu and shotokan, but they almost NEVER use them, there's some that do like sensei Cameron quinn, but they're few and far in between, even though it would probably help them in ALL aspects of fighting, you can't say its just because of their style of kumite with no punches to the head, because goju has that too, but they still find ways to apply their kata

[@inside_fighting]

I’ve trained with Cameron Quinn. He’s adapted to be more modern. I think it depends on the school. I’ve been lucky with my instructors

[@gnos1s171]

@@inside_fighting but still, why don't most of them try applying their forms?

[@alanc457]

@@gnos1s171where would they apply them? In sports fighting?

[@gnos1s171]

@@alanc457 that, or they could have kept the shinken shobu rules that they used to use for certain matches, it used to allow head punches and grappling, But for some really dumb reason that I am not aware of, they got rid of it.

[@AmericankickboxingMMA]

wing chun guys are clawing the eyes of kyokushin guys.

[@hotpopcorncake]

I practice wing chun in Vietnam once I was curious how they train once I notice when I light spar with my friend they have worst footwork ever. I threw a lot fake strikes And no way they couldn't block it since they so stiff..

[@inside_fighting]

That’s sadly too common in wing chun

[@electrium17]

Wing Chun fighter moving backwards is kinda weird

[@mnrick1960]

The WC stylists represented themselves quite well except on the ground. However, the Kyokishin guys were very weak examples. It is, as it us often said... the man not the style. There is something to be learned and gained on both sides of this.

[@wesleyjackson7487]

There is a video on youtube called wing chun vs boxing without kicks you should check it out I also think that video showed good wing chun

[@inside_fighting]

I’ll find it! I’m guessing the boxer beats them up 🥲

[@wesleyjackson7487]

@@inside_fighting The youtube channel is called wing chun tv

[@mikeneidlinger8857]

I laugh at both styles because I only move in reverse so I use the reverse punch from Karate Do!