Eric Bischoff SHOOTS On Hulk Hogan REFUSING to Job to Sting!

[@InsideTheRopes]

Was Hulk Hogan right to stand his ground? Let us know in the comments below!

[@bdot187um]

I'm guessing hulk's mindset was why just have one match, let's do this screw job finish help keep nitros momentum, help launchthunder & build for the rematch short term it worked out just fine but long term it bit them in the ass.

[@Aizenborgman]

yes he was 100% Right , Sting didn't respect the script and build-up that was prepared for him for his match with Hogan. They made him look strong for about 14 months. When the match came, he wasn't physically or mentally ready, and Sting admitted that he was using drugs at that time, which is forbidden. Sting wasn't a professional at that time, unfortunately. That's why Hogan handled the situation differently. Although Hogan could have decided who won and who lost, and he could have beaten Sting, he still didn't beat Sting. Bruce Prichard once commented and said that if Sting had done the same thing in WWE, Vince McMahon would have made Sting lose. So be fair and don't be biased towards Sting. and .people need to understand kid that Grabbing the Tights During a pinfall attempt is illegal . you can see Hollywood Hulk Hogan Grabbing Sting's tights .Which means that Hulk Hogan did Not Win clean after all . even when Nick patrick botch the Fast 3 count finish . which means that Hogan wants to make sure that Sting DOES Not lose clean. There is no other explanation for this. Hulk Hogan is truly a professional. But the likes of Dave Meltzer and some of the اhogan hatres will Never Understand the ART of Wrestling . Hogan did it again in their Rematch on Nitro and when the replay was played on Thunder you can hear Bobby "The Brain" Heenan say ( Hogan Grabbing the Tights .) And by the way. Bret Hart in a new interview, mentioned that he confronted Nick Patrick after the Hogan/sting match and said to him, ““Aren’t you supposed to Do a Fast count ?” and Nick Patrick replied, “Yes, but I forgot to do A fast count ” This is evidence of Hogan's innocence and that the real liars here are Hogan's haters

[@Paradox-vk9fe]

@@Aizenborgman Yeah I watched the match it was nitro not starcade

[@Paradox-vk9fe]

You know, yeah steve had problems, but they could have give the fans what they wanted. Do not tell me that Hogan even if Steve was 100% that Hogan would not have tried something shady. And Eric could grow a pair and be honest.

[@TonyWaller-oy8ls]

Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo both ruined WCW...WCW was once a powerful (overly competitive) wrestling company...Ted put the wrong people in charge.. Bischoff knew absolutely nothing about the wrestling business... ridiculous storylines/creative and giving the ok to ending the streak ultimately ended WCW....He had the talent but had absolutely no idea what to do with it... When WCW ended so did competitive wrestling... And the whole 83 weeks really doesn't matter...The star power made me want to change the channel but after a while it got old... Yes Hogan did save professional wrestling (more than once)... with help... but his "creative control"... and bad desicion making also played a huge part in the downfall of WCW... but at the end of the day it was Eric Bischoff who was in charge...

[@jsalith]

In a perfect world Sting wins clean and Booker T beats Triple H at WM19

[@nh7680]

Comedy act going over The Game HHH at WrestleMania?

[@AlmightyStoryTV]

@@nh7680comedy?

[@ComicBookGuy420]

​@@nh7680 Triple H losing to a WCW guy?😂

[@justinburch21]

DB wins the 2014 rumble Jericho wins the 2012 rumble Hogan and Rock go on last I agree with yours. I just wanted to add on lol

[@TeddyKGB12]

Austin doesn't turn heel at WM17 HBK beats Cena at WM23

[@matrixrevolution2600]

All this talk tells me that Hulk Hogan was the boss of Bischoff!

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Brother!

[@theblindgod666]

Yep, he was hogan's bee yatch.

[@dennishbergkamp]

Only love HH

[@PerkAngle123]

Its hard to boss someone that makes u alot of money.

[@ashscott6068]

@@PerkAngle123 They didn't need Hogan by that point. Once people start watching, they'll like whoever the storyline TELLS them to like. Look at Goldberg! They took a nobody and within a few weeks, HE was the one people were coming to see. And all they had to do was give him good billing, a good entrance, and book him to always win. Hogan never got big in the first place based on talent. He got big because he was always booked to win It's like music aimed at kids. The record companies TELL the kids who to like. There are some limitations. Sometimes the kids don't buy it. Sometimes they like someone you didn't expect. But if that happens, you just put your money into the guy they DO like. Give that guy a new character and put your money into giving him a big new entrance.

[@joeyoconnor3039]

Hogan never should've been given creative control

[@jasonk75]

The Hulkster is the GOAT, brother!

[@Little88Mac]

Then Hogan doesn't sign with WCW

[@joeyoconnor3039]

@Little88Mac oh well,then I guess we don't get hogan vs butcher at starrcade 94. That was such a slap in the face of the starrcade tradition, either they shoulda saved the hogan /flair cage retirement match 4 that event or it shoulda been hogan/sting or hogan/vader or no hogan at all?I wouldn't have lost any sleep over it

[@Little88Mac]

@@joeyoconnor3039 NWO wouldn't have worked without Hulk. Attitude era might now happen because of it. It changes so much in wrestling

[@joeyoconnor3039]

@Little88Mac it was a good thing but then got 2 be overkill..

[@CCEkeke]

Bischoff keeps defending Hulk at every turn. Granted, Sting was clearly having personal issues. But given how important this storyline was, shouldn't Bischoff have been the one to make sure Sting remained focused? That was his job as head of WCW at that point. Hogan's "doubt" was another excuse for him not losing cleanly. And if no one is communicating, that is also on Bischoff to facilitate a smoothly running ship.

[@haloarrmor2000]

If Hogan dies before bischoff the real stories will come out.

[@RJ_MacReady]

I wonder who Bischoff voted for. 🙄

[@dj-te5yj]

Well Bischoff was there and involved, you weren’t. So I will take Bischoff’s word over some internet person that just speculates.

[@dj-te5yj]

@@RJ_MacReadylol what does that matter. Fetishize politics much? I’d say yes

[@RJ_MacReady]

@dj-te5yj It matters.

[@haydendecker6766]

Umm Scott Hall is the creator of crow sting. Sting himself said so.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Yeah Eric's memory is spotty at best, especially when it relates to hulks creative control issues

[@ramrodbldm9876]

​@@ComicBookGuy420 everything about you is corny, comic books 420 what are you 12?

[@theblindgod666]

Yes, you are correct. I think even ez e said the same thing on 83 weeks.

[@nick56677]

Yeah if it's a bad idea, eric "doesn't recall" and mentions Time Warner and Brad Segal over and over.

[@theblindgod666]

@@nick56677 I know this may not be on topic, but my take is Hogan killed wcw. They gave him too much money and he wasn't worth it. The first two years of his wcw, he did nothing for the company.

[@Q5954G]

Hulk talked Eric out of it basically 😂

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Good luck getting him to admit it😂

[@shadycnetwork]

​@@ComicBookGuy420I watched the movie about Sting's life and hearing Eric talk about it here I think sting showed up high. He admitted to having drug issues. I can actually see Hulk Hogan saying he's high I'm not going to lose to him here. Y'all are just so covered in hatred for Hulk hogan. I would say blinded. It's like how a lot of people are now with Vince mcmahon. Being blinded by hatred is a sad and pathetic thing little buddies.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@shadycnetwork Trolls used to try harder 😂💀

[@keithmorgan3932]

@@shadycnetwork Hogan was always drunk....smh......on pills so fuck that

[@shadycnetwork]

@ComicBookGuy420 I don't agree with you therefore I must be a troll? Spoken like a true snowflake.

[@MountaineerAthletes]

When dark sting came down from the Raptors and beat everybody in the ring with the baseball bat that might’ve been the greatest moment and wrestling history for me. That year that sting was dark one of the greatest years in wrestling.

Sting rode in with Raptors?? Like Chris Pratt?? That's heavy!!!

[@DubyaDaLastRepugPrez]

It was a great moment and it definitely made WCW a lot more popular than WWF at the time. The NWO storyline was great, very original and interesting. However, that Sting vs Hogan Starcade match just ruined everything. The beginning of the end for WCW.

[@Obeythemay]

How do people come to the conclusion Hogan "didn't job" to sting? I was young at the time and I thought Hogan was petrified of Sting. He constantly acted in a way that put sting over

[@Ewe-pt1jw]

You see how Eric separates the character and the story, and makes it an excuse about the talent? If that’s the case about Steve Borden, why would you push him all year until the last minute?

[@saintmarley6]

Because Eric is full of ish .. he just not tryna make HULK look bad ...

[@SmileAmerica-th7ye]

@@saintmarley6 hulk has not looked good since he lyed on arsenio hall tv show

[@shock_n_Aweful]

The crowd reaction to Hogan at the kickoff Netflix Raw episode was awesome. He hasn't been booed that much since he turned heel in WCW

[@mythrandor2924]

I felt bad for Jimmy Hart.

[@JudyMcCormick-r9w]

​@@mythrandor2924Oh God so did I. That poor man damn sure didn't deserve it. It's hard to believe he's pushing 80 and still looks the same.

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

Sting didn't kick out because he was told it'd be a fast count

[@user-cq5nl2gb8t]

Maybe if he was TAN HE WLDVE KICKED OUT

[@GamesCourier]

Sounded like Bischoff wanted to say that that wasn't supposed to be the "final" fall of the match?

[@DubyaDaLastRepugPrez]

I believe the referee screwed up, too. Because he was supposed to perform a fast count, but didn't.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

@@DubyaDaLastRepugPrez Hogan told the ref to do a regular count

[@scottstl6776]

What a story teller. Awesome...

[@trapdoorfloyd]

Who cares in the end. Sting is the only wrestler in history to go 5-0 against Hogan in his career just celebrate that because nobody else has that kind of win record against Hogan. 🦂

[@sbj97]

🐐🐐🐐

[@davidgraham8299]

Bro, you KNOW that 5-0 win record doesn't mean 💩 it's a WORK, no one is really winning or losing anything

[@andthebeatgoeson69]

​@@davidgraham8299that's why being 5-0 vs Hulk means something. Hulkster is the ultimate politician

[@CatWipp]

You can always count on this channel for posting videos of interviews containing information that those of us in the know already heard 4 years ago 😂

[@shortyg1018]

Wrong information at that, Scott Hall was the one that came up with the concept and idea of Crow Sting.

[@songspire]

This is the cleanest response to the Finish Eric has given in the hundreds of podcasts about Starrcade 97. We need to know who’s stupid idea it was to work Bret Hart in to the finish now.

[@shepcon7892]

4 or 5 people don’t matter when you’re the boss Eric. Just communicate effectively to your collaborators Eric. Stop blaming your talent Eric. RIP Eddie G

[@fried_tacos1587]

Thank you, I'm so tired of hearing these people acting like their hands were tied. You let Hogan run the ship, if Sting wasn't able to be champ fine. You could've had Hogan take the belt off him if it didn't work out but instead he was a pussy and wondered why WCW crumbled from within because you let the inmates run the prison

[@bjmorris7414]

No matter what Eric says, Sting was supposed to go over that night. CLEAN, no controversy.

[@jaro4742]

So did Sting turn up to the building messed up? Thats the only thing that would make this make sense. Otherwise its just a Hogan Power Play.

[@sillybilly121212]

Yes he was abusing opioids

[@JudyMcCormick-r9w]

​@@sillybilly121212Show me a wrestler that doesn't after years in the ring.

[@abudujana13]

Thanks for the video, INSIDE THE ROPES

[@VincePipilas]

my god all these years later. HE DIDNT WANT TO LOSE CLEAN ON THE BIGGEST PAY PER VIEW IN COMPANY HISTORY. Stop this whole complicated personal issue crap. 98% of the wrestlers aren't "right in the head" on any given night back then.

[@bdot187um]

Even with all of stings "personal problems" it should've been a quick five minute squash, keep the belt for a while & if things were that bad have hogan win it back or make goldberg run through him, since he couldn't carry the company on his back for obvious reasons.

[@Violent_Wolfen]

That would have been worst that match was hyped for 18 months.

[@bdot187um]

@@Violent_Wolfen anything would have been better the mess we got.

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@bdot187um Really, you think that? That's just cope at that point. That very idea would have pissed off fans even more after all that hype.

[@bdot187um]

@@Violent_Wolfen I doubt it, most fans wouldn't have cared about the quality of the match, they paid to see hulk lose & sting triumph over him, as an alternative for steve's poor condition having a quick & decisive win would've been better than that whole screw job finish, cause even in kayfabe that mess made hogan look like the victim in all of this.

[@tadams9735]

​@@bdot187umCorrect, and Sting had been practically taking on the whole NWO by himself on Nitro in the months leading up to it, so it made less than zero sense for Sting to not win cleanly and with authority.

[@Jaweatherford86]

Bischoff forgot to add one important piece of context as to why they changed the finish: Sting didn't have a tan.

[@WhoIsCalli]

Thanks for uploading guys

[@larryconnerjr1835]

No matter what Eric says he was up Hogan’s rear end and it blinded him for what was best for WCW and the business which was for Sting to beat Hogan clean and become champion, that was the only logical way to end that storyline, I don’t buy the Sting had personal problems BS Eric always says about that Starcade , most likely Hogan pulled creative control and Bishoff has been covering it up all these years cuz he still up Hogan’s rear end

[@majinsnake]

Sting truly did have personal problems. One of those problems was substance abuse. It is all over the internet, and not just the wrestler's wikipedia page.

[@hankvanwell5322]

If hogan farted , Eric could tell you what he had for breakfast

[@BigDaddy-002]

Having Sting win clean and the NWO turning on Hulk leading to Hogan becoming a face again would've been the best way to play it.

[@Jimmyd134]

@@majinsnakethey all have problems. The guys was hardly on TV for a year. He hardly rasseled. Hogan couldn’t put his ego aside for the business

[@dericharris-c2b]

Facts 💯. Nobody wants to hear about any personal problems everybody has problems, Sting should have won clean at Starcade

[@ryanrusso2954]

One thing that never makes sense and after like 25 years still no one asks this obvious question... sting ended up winning ANYWAY. So what was the point of the convoluted finish? It just wreaks of BS and Hogan sabotaging the match to look strong.

[@pheo1418]

The "convoluted" finish is meant to protect and keep the losing wrestler still looking strong moving forward. I'll give you a few examples, Goldberg streak being broken required that he's been tazed and jumped by nWo before taking Nash finish for the 1-2-3- smh, 03-07 HHH was GOATED coming up wit ref bumps and foreign objects before putting someone over, Reigns was becoming that guy the last being champ. I respect guys like Batista Eddie Guerrero and JBL also Rollins were guys who took ur finish middle of the ring and put you over like a million bucks. Bret Hart MADE Diesel a believable threat and worked harder doing it than Diesel best buddy Shawn Michaels ever did..

[@danman1789]

It's Hogan saying "okay, I'm gonna lose, but not clean". That way he can still come out fairly "strong". Obviously everybody there knew there's no way that Sting can lose. That's not negotiable. I still remember me and my buddy watching that on pirated cable TV. We just looked at each other like WTF. and what the hell is Bret Hart doing involved. Then Sting finally wins are we're like "I guess I'm supposed to be happy"?

[@ComicBookGuy420]

​@@danman1789 It was the same with Hogan and Bret and Yokozuna years earlier in the WWF Hogan's history of "that doesn't work for me brother" messing up ppvs is well documented

[@danman1789]

@@ComicBookGuy420 Yes, I'm aware of the stories about Hogan doing stuff. But I'm also aware that when you're the GOAT and the guy responsible for basically all of this happening, the guy who helped make all his co-workers rich and the boss a billionaire, you have clout. Of course you have influence that others don't. It's no different than if Michael Jordan tells you what the play is and when/where to get him the ball, you're not gonna question it.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@danman1789 Lulz, Michael Jordan's failures are well documented, but there are days worth of tape from people who were actually there talking about everything Hogan did If even half of what is said about Hogan is true🤷 You're saying hulk is responsible for everything What about all the guys who made him look good over the years, Andre, savage piper They had nothing to do with it?

[@DwightCarrMusic]

Saw that show in Macon. I was a young kid, but that and a Goldberg dark match are the only 2 times I remember ever seeing WCW live (both in Macon)

[@jimsheppard3166]

I've yet to see an interviewer really bear-down on Bischoff about this event. They let him off too easy. -How did you, as the President, let this happen at the last moment? - If you had doubts about Sting's ability to carry the load, why did you still have him win the title? - If Sting is still going to win the title, how does a convoluted finish change anything other than making the match worse?

[@RightCenterBack321]

Conrad Thompson did. He asked all those questions you posed. It didn't really go over well. Bischoff just dug in his heels. He has a strong personality that's tough to break down. The only way to make him vulnerable is to make him comfortable. That's how he eventually conceded that the decision was all up to Hulk Hogan, after decades of downplaying the role his creative control clause played in the outcome. Bischoff will never allow himself to be put in a situation where he's forced to be held to account.

[@jimsheppard3166]

@ I listened to this one, as well. Conrad was ruthless in grilling Bischoff but never asked the simple question "What was the miscommunication you keep referring to?" I drove me up a wall just listening to it.

[@RightCenterBack321]

@ Had Conrad held it together a bit better, he might've asked more pointed questions. I think Conrad got frustrated by Eric coming up with what felt like excuses for why Sting couldn't go over clean. However, had Conrad asked that question, Eric would've flim-flammed the answer. He would've never gotten specific, because diffusing accountability is exactly his point.

[@TheUncannykodiak]

this is why Hulk was never fully excepted back as a baby face. If he'd done the job we all was looking for with Sting. That could have organically open for a redemption. There is no redemption without humility. So we couldn't unsee Hulks true colors from there on.

[@nostalgiaman6816]

“There were nerves that day.. lot of politics that day too - which made it even worse.” - Sting

[@hopalong829]

“Sting just hangs around in the rafters etc…” That was great and it was YOUR FREAKING COMPANY meaning YOU BACKED THAT IDEA! he laughs through like 4 disclaimers before he answers, and puts all the weight on sting. Eric would have been in the middle of the phalanx, giving orders, hoping everyone else dies. So he can tell the story

[@sampiHBK00]

The final result of the match was still Sting winning the world title. It would have made more sense to just stay with the original ending. Give Sting a chance with the title for a month or two, then take it off him if he was still having personal issues. Unfortunately Hogan didn’t want to go with this plan after seeing Stings condition that day.

[@VirgilBoyd-t1g]

So wait, if Sting was expecting a fast count (as what was discussed), a kickout would have en moot. Hogan told Nick Patrick to do a normal count. Hogan came out looking great. Everyone else came out looking like they restarted a match that was won fair and square. Every wrestler has a mental issue every now and then. Hogan screwd with the match.

[@songspire]

Exactly. I guess sting was supposed to kick out of the fast count right after the fast 3. But he barely kicks out of the slow 3 count by Patrick. So sting kinda screws up there. Hogan gets in Patrick’s ear to do a slow count , to protect Hogans own ass Why Bret Hart is even involved at all is the biggest cluster of the whole stupid finish

[@Steven-mk4gg]

I like Bishoff a lot more than I used to since Inhave listened to some of his podcasts. That said, I fully expect another video of him riding Hogan and defending anything and everything Hogan ever did or said. Edit: well, I was half wrong.

[@TheMetalAllfather]

Hogan turning heel was *HUGE!* the Hulkster turned his back on all of America, and Hulkamania, brother. It was unbelievable, Wrasslin's Judas Kiss.

[@michaelpoore21]

Nick Patrick said he was told 3 different counts by Bischoff, Sting and Hogan. Regular, slow and fast count.

[@CapitalFProductions]

It’s a lot of minutes of dancing around just to avoid admitting Hogan sabotaged it. If he’s trying to imply Sting had a drug problem but was still gonna go out there, the easiest thing is just to make it a squash and he drops the title soon after

[@TheSlashTraxNetwork]

Heenan almost messed it up lol

[@SC-g-cox]

Only old matches I rewatch is of Sting. Plus a great human.

[@fistofthebrownstar6216]

Santa With Muscles sales are about to go through the roof

[@jameslonano5659]

"That doesn't work for me brother" lol

[@DubyaDaLastRepugPrez]

That Sting vs Hogan Starcade match was the biggest wrestling disaster of all time. Just horrible how that ended.

[@animejoe4041]

They should have done everything in their power to make sure that match went off without a hitch with a clean finish. Sting should have looked as dominant as he did when he won his first world title from Flair at The Great American Bash 1990. Sting should have imposed his will on Hollywood Hogan at Starrcade with Hogan not knowing what to do to keep Sting down. Towards the end of the match, Sting takes out the big guns of the NWO and then forces Hollywood to submit. Earlier in the year, Luger had a much better clean win against Hogan on Nitro than the clusterf**k Sting had at Starrcade. Luger took out Hall, Nash, and other members of the NWO before submitting Hogan. They could have done something similar with Sting. Afterwards, they could have given world champion Sting a little bit of time off from wrestling in the ring in order to get clean in time for Superbrawl. He'd still make appearances on Nitro to give the NWO nightmares but wouldn't wrestle until Superbrawl.

[@CLuvTV]

I'm more interested in the last half of the video about the creation of the NWO, I've heard Nash Hall and Hogan's side but now Eric's

[@BigDaddy-002]

The phrase that killed the WCW- "It doesn't work for me brother."

[@bloodeagle6458]

The timing is impeccable

[@AlbertStaggs-u2y]

Some of us know the truth about what really went down because some of us actually worked for wcw but can’t tell

[@DaveReece-u4b]

“That doesn’t work for me Brother” is Bischoff’s fault. He gave Hogan creative control.

[@sevartt9046]

I think the nWo story and the crow Sting story are the same story. The nWo probably wouldn't have worked as well as it did if it weren't for crow Sting. The crowd was chanting "we want Sting" every Monday night while the nWo was taking over. I imagine WWE having the rights to nWo, but not the rights to the Sting character is the reason Sting doesn't get the same amount of recognition for WCW's early success as the nWo gets.

[@mrsinistertoyou]

when i was a kid, there was a year where school ended and everyone went on summer break as usual. i wasn't into wrestling at the time, and my close friends who i kept in contact with over the summer didn't either. when school started again, every boy in the school was wearing a NWO shirt and i had no idea what it was all about. got into wrestling shortly after and the next 5 years of WCW vs WWF was the most interesting 5 years of TV of all time.

[@joedavid82]

I’m a HUGE Hogan fan. Best hero and best villain

[@JReyesHTX713]

Hogan was the poster boy for WWF prior to his WCW career. Sting would’ve been something to see how it played out. But those 2(Hall & Nash) made it seem like WWF was taking over WCW so Hogan was the one to join them.

[@WraithTDK]

STILL pissed about this to this very day. Always will be. That was my favorite wrestling storyline of all time, and it just. Freaking. Ruined. Everything. Could have been one of the greatest victories in the history of wrestling.

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

This generation turned wrestling into a popularity contest. Sad

[@DavidGadea2112]

Sooo Eric was the Boss and he had no control over his contractors ?... Didn't you fired Disco for not doing what you wanted him to do ?, Lack of communication, Eric you were the Boss, it was on you.

[@MiketheratguyMultimedia]

And if he somehow wasn't then that's his fault as well. If you're the person in charge you don't go making contracts that let the other person say no, they don't have to do the job that you've given them. This just goes to show how far people like Eric were willing to go in putting the needs of other wrestlers below the desire to make as much money with Hogan as possible.

[@jamalwest7658]

Problem was, Hogan had it in his contract that he had creative control over anything that involved how he was portrayed,, hence the reason why Russo blew up on him in 2000. So if anything, blame Eric for originally agreeing to that when he signed him in 1994

[@joshuasteward6097]

The problem with the match anyway was that Piper and Luger had beat Hogan. So why does one win by Sting really matter? Was the NWO really gonna fall apart?

[@jamalwest7658]

@joshuasteward6097 the piper wins never mattered because the belt was never on the line or they had fuck finishes involving macho man, and sure Luger beat him. Only to lose 5 days later on a pay per view and not do anything else for the rest of that year so Hulk immediately got his heat back

[@CynicalBeard]

That Scott Hall impersonation tells you all you need to know as to why Hall never won the world title

[@wellitsherenow]

hes basically saying sting was on dope for a yr

[@matthewburke5502]

Given that this match was the match of all matches, regardless of how many hands were in the pot you would expect communication to be front and center for this. I mean the entire WCW vs NWO was tied to this one match. EB mentioned that he knew Hulk somewhat well at this time. My question would be was that the only one he was keeping up with? Regardless of what the “personal issues”were with Steve/Sting, it couldn't have been something that just popped up over a few days. Maybe EB should’ve paid a little more attention to the other stars on his roster. Even if Steve wasn’t scheduled to make an appearance for several shows at a time. Seems like if he would’ve done that then the problem about what we are going to do could've been dealt with a lot sooner than it was. Just kind of funny to hear EB say even if Sting would’ve gone over clean, even with his issues the story still would’ve worked. Sounds to me it's just Hogan being Hogan and a leader of a company not knowing how to lead

[@LuisMotta06]

What is the date of this interview? Please update the description to clarify this important detail.

[@Rinksiderips]

Kevin Nash never had a problem with it.

[@DaBigCheeso]

If it had been Sting, it would have been another wrestling storyline. Hogan turning heel got WCW mainstream press attention

[@darreleddings5901]

Kogan was never going to drop clean to sting

[@ashscott6068]

They created Crow Sting, and he essentially had superpowers within kayfabe. He was constantly taking out the entire NWO by himself. It was a plain and simple revenge story, but Hogan - EVEN AS A HEEL, needed to get the "real" win. He didn't even tap out for the loss. He wanted it to always be in people's heads that Hart could have called a submission that hadn't happened. If you want to keep the belt on Hogan, have another run-in like they dide every week anyways. I think the belt should spend most of its time on a heel anyways. But the Crow gimmick has to end with Sting beating Hogan clean. And it should have been an easy win, based on the storyline to that point. Ideally, they should have had the whole NWO attack Sting with baseball bats earlier in the night. In the movie they were ripping off, the hero is already dead and can regenerate. And that's pretty close to how they were portrayiong Crow Sting.

[@MR.__G]

Wcw had one job and that was put sting over clean at starrcade. They messed up the ending and the title gets vacated. Had to wait 2 months for the rematch just to get another crappy finish. Sting only held the belt for 2 months, dropped it savage and then savage dropped it to hogan the following nitro 😅😅 the way wcw dropped the ball in 1998 is incredible

[@JeremyVanbrunt-v7v]

This one night gets overlooked a lot in favor of the fingerpoke of doom as the start of the fall but sting not going over clean ...wcw never felt the same after that to me.

[@Youwillnotlikemyopinion]

The fun things is Hogan helped push WCW forward and bury them at the same time. It's sad he really was always in business for himself.

[@shadycnetwork]

If you've watched the movie about Sting's life he basically admitted he had issues with drugs back then. I think he showed up high and Hulk said no I'm not going to lose clean to that guy if he's high.

[@userman44]

Yeah, but that still doesn't justify the decision to change the match. "Uh oh, Sting's high. Therefore, instead of giving him a simple win, let's make the plan more complicated and convoluted." That just doesn't make sense. The guy's too high for a match with one finish, but he can wrestle a match that has TWO finishes?

[@shadycnetwork]

@userman44 maybe it doesn't make sense to you but then again you've never run a wrestling company. It's similar to what sting did to Jeff Hardy when Jeff was high. This was the biggest match of the Year sting should have had enough respect for himself, the match, his boss and the business to not show up high.

[@germanshep2008]

I don't even think sting new where he was. He didn't drop down from the roof. His timing was way off.

[@Mickieshelton]

nah..then rebook the match. It's just too convenient. It always is with Hogan.

[@shadycnetwork]

@Mickieshelton it always is with somebody you don't know personally and have never spoken to in your entire life lol. This is the know-it-all fan mindset that most wrestlers despise including guys like mjf.

[@TheJoeDavis]

5:37 - Eric not answering the question directly. As much as I enjoy hearing him speak, he just can't admit Hogan played his card and Eric capitulated.

[@danielwinters7181]

Sting wasn’t tan enough and hulk got mad. Eric back hulk because sting wasn’t…..tan. Bunch of 🤡

[@Aizenborgman]

ok mr 🤡 cool story

[@danielwinters7181]

@ your mother

[@traviswitchey1441]

Sting got over even more than he already was being the franchise of wcw and then shows up with arms bigger than Hogan’s but OBVIOUSLY not as tanned. Sting’s response to Hogan and Bitchoff’s response is always the same- “ask those guys”. Eric and Hogan can’t baby face themselves 4 life on this one, brother 💯🖕

[@danman1789]

Exactly. Sting is such a class act that he has never buried those guys for what happened. In 27 years, never done it. Contrast that with someone like Bret Hart who can't be handed a microphone without viciously burying somebody.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

​@@danman1789 Bret is way too comfortable in talking about his deceased friends habits and affairs for my liking

[@danman1789]

@@ComicBookGuy420 Oh absolutely. His book is wild. He didn't hold back nothing.

[@TeddyKGB12]

​@@danman1789In Bret's mind, he really won the matches. I don't think he can accept the fact that it was predetermined. Every interview I watch of his, it's always......"I was the best at this, I was the innovator of that, That match was my idea, This guy said he was honored to work with me, Shawn was a dick, Goldberg ruined my career"........ just get over it, man. You made millions of dollars by pretending to fight another man in your underwear, how unhappy can you really be?

[@traviswitchey1441]

How did this turn into a shit on Brett Hart shoot when Hogan and Bitchoff ran things?

[@MikeSteele-g7y]

It's all very strange considering if you check the record books, Hogan has NEVER really defeated Sting in a one on one contest.

[@knowledgeuntamed9177]

This may of broke Wcw tbh. Stings in the Raptors taking on the whole Nwo!!!. Wait! Hogan beat him. And now he's joined the Nwo 😢

[@myjourney3229]

I wonder how Steve would’ve done playing the crow character in an actual Crow movie. 🤔

[@christianlowman2698]

Probably not very good. Brandon Lee is the only Crow

[@christianlowman2698]

Probably not very good. Brandon Lee is the only Crow

[@larryosselborn9009]

Not a fan of hogan

[@rambo_r3239]

the only people who are still fans, are probably racist rednecks lol

[@terrymoore595]

Only racist and bigot's are

[@willfordTHE4th]

That doesnt work for me brother

[@CannedHam2479]

@@willfordTHE4thTough break, Brotherrrrrrrrrrrr

[@willfordTHE4th]

@@CannedHam2479 C'mon Brother....Leg Drop 1,2,3..... Pose End Show

[@sithari518]

Bischoff spends 25 mins basically explaining in a roundabout way that because Sting wasn't tan enough, Hulk had the finish changed.

[@aether13x69]

I wanted to hear his thoughts on Heenans call, "But whose side is he on?!"

[@jocelynjigsby6969]

Top 3 plots in all of wrestling history by far. Maybe top 2

[@highenergy8281]

Why didnt Borden wrestle lightly under a mask to open up for house shows to at least stay in shape?

[@antology7]

I totally agree that it would have been the best way to prepare but Bischoff was asked that and he said the risk of Sting blowing his cover was enough to ruin the mystique.

[@highenergy8281]

@antology7 I don't buy that. Borden was the ultimate professional. He could have easily acted like a Mexican wrestler under a mask, , just to keep in shape

[@antology7]

​@highenergy8281 Yes, I totally agree with the idea of Sting wrestling a mask to prep for the match but Bischoff said he wouldn't change anything prior to Starrcade. They address the house show suggestion at 2:24:23 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKjQiqN_raaXeZo Bischoff dismisses the idea of Sting wrestling house shows to shake of ring rust at 2:25:53 He didn't mention Sting wrestling in a mask but you can hear how adamant Eric is about any form of house show matches before Starrcade.

[@highenergy8281]

@@antology7 What a stupid mistake.

[@kidhoopz1686]

BluChew always finds a way into a wrestling story lol

[@Christina_Cage]

The ref not actually counting fast was the issue. It ruined the spot, ruined the angle, and ruined the match.

[@derekbooth1825]

In WM19, if Booker took out a pin and poked HHH, he may have zipped around the air like a baloon.

[@JustinMorris-l6w]

I would have liked booker t to have won the actual top prize which was wwe championship which jbl held during 04 in which booker was contender for at that time.. he eventually won world title in 06 as the king booker persona.. but imagine him being in the history book as a wwe champ would have been more special in my opinion.

[@ghostsignal]

Hogan wanted to be the third guy because of the potentially huge payday. Remember, his contract paid him guaranteed money plus a percentage on PPV's he appeared on that performed better than the WCW average at the time. He knew that Bash at The Beach was going to be one of the best-selling PPV's WCW ever had up to that point, so as Nash once said "Hogan wasn't going to let that money train leave the station without him on it."

[@GRRAB]

Eric "I never had a problem witth Scott Hall" Bischoff

[@korsakovpodcast]

First off, Sting beating top Hulk Hogan clean is the most stupid decision i ever heard and Hulk felt it. Putting the end of Hollywood reign by clean win would mean a horrible blow to Hogan stocks and career. Second of all, if it was a fix, Sting was in on it. He was the one who didn't even try to kick out when he was closer than anyone to Nick Patrick.

[@ArchangelSteve]

Terry/Eric sock account spotted.

[@jerrymorganjr]

So crow sting was acting like crow sting, and you decided he wasn't ready?

[@SteveRanke-e4y]

I know right? Eric makes no sense

[@Mein-v1n]

What happened? Sting showed up to the arena hours before the show drunk or something? So fuckin what if so. Guys would wrestle hungover or drunk constantly. Hogan just got in Bischoffs ear and politicked that Sting wasn’t ready just to further his agenda and Bischoff sided with Hogan. Plain and simple. If you ask me that night was the start of the decline of WCW

[@jackoneill842]

Steve Borden was massively depressed on the day of Starcade 97 and as a result, his character does nothing in the match, outside of a couple dropkicks and a turnbuckle splash. He stands there, totally empty -the match is painful to watch…Bischoff’s main failure as a leader was not addressing his talent’s mental state, until it was beyond too late.

[@JC23783]

Oh this is another one of those comments sections where a bunch of randoms on the internet know what happened at starrcade better than the head of the company who was actually there. 😂

[@JReyesHTX713]

Eric’s said how he was in Ted Turner’s office when he came up with the idea to turn Hulk heel. Now, it’s Hulk’s idea?

[@magicbryant8]

Hogan went to Nick and told him to not do a fast count unbeknownst to anyone else. Hence, Sting goes with the gameplan by not kicking out, effectively letting everyone know that Hogan won, Bret looks bad for cheating, and Sting just failed to finish the story.

[@RightCenterBack321]

Eric still struggles mightily to tell what ought to be a pretty simple story. After 25 years, you'd think he'd be able to come up with at least a narrative, inaccurate as it may be, that he can stick to. I get that the story is a sensitive one, but Eric struggling to tell it to this day suggests to me it'd damage his own credibility, as well as put Hogan under, if he told it more honestly and openly. Constantly invoking Sting's personal troubles is blame-shifting. Unless Sting showed up intoxicated or something, there's no reason not to put him over. None. If you watch the match, it was awful, but there's nothing to suggest Sting couldn't do the bare minimum necessary to get to the finish. This wasn't a Jeff Hardy situation. There's nothing Eric could say that could make me see things from Hogan's viewpoint. A true professional understands that when something needs to happen, IT HAS TO HAPPEN. The only rational (not the same as reasonable) reason for not putting Sting over is because Hogan flat-out didn't want to for personal reasons. I get that he had creative control, but then Bischoff should've never spent so much time downplaying the role that it played in the outcome. The fact that for years, bringing up creative control in his presence was so triggering tells me Bischoff had something to hide. When you get to the finish line, you make it happen. As for communications problems, anyone who's been around the block a few times knows that communications problems don't emerge in a vacuum. They happen because of the culture of the company. To have a communications breakdown at literally the most critical point in the company's history isn't just inexcusable, it's systemic. Bischoff struggling to be straightforward even when all of this is now public knowledge shows me it's all a bunch of BS. If you want to deceive people, you make the story as complicated as possible. If you want to tell the truth, you make the story as simple as possible, even if it might be complicated in reality.

[@chriscarmichael5726]

This is not the story Bischoff told before on his podcast. He said he was mad at Sting for not being in shape and no tan. He even said Hogan and him were worried about Sting repenting WCW looking like that. I wish I could remember what episode it was. I remember even Conrad getting mad at Bischoff.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

maybe it was the episode about Starrcade 97, one of the earliest episodes of the podcast.

[@Jimmyd134]

Yeah. I used to listen to Conrad and EV until every 3 minutes Conrad whispering GEICO. Or every 4 minute there was an advertisement And Conrad did call him out and he still stuck up for the Hulkster

[@lomaudit9674]

It was more than just "not in shape and no tan". sting was messed up back then and under the influence of alot of things

[@GraveDigger7183]

Why is this still coming up ? there are thousand and thousand of interviews podcasts whatever where people talked about and Eric and Sting where part of many of those Interviews so just let it go .

[@Cajunman1977-k3f]

Hulk Hogan helped destroy pro wrestling along with McMahon. Greed and stupidity destroyed a great business

[@brosevideogames7908]

If Sting was in such bad shape he couldn’t work, how did he work against Hogan the very next night? And at Superbrawl? Both in matches that did a much better job of making Sting look strong… but unfortunately it was too late. Supposedly you had all these doubts whether Sting could consistently work main events, yet all you did was constantly book him in main events. Sting really has no excuse for not kicking out, though. Fast count or not, if you take a guy’s finish and just lay there, it looks like you got beat.

[@dericharris-c2b]

Man all of us as kids just knew Sting was going to beat Hogan clean at Starcade. That’s why Hogan got those boo’s on Raw. All the foolishness over the years. That was the beginning of the end for WCW. Sting was too over for that to end like that

[@gern7535]

He's trying to blame Sting. It was Hogan's fault.

[@germanshep2008]

Whats the thoughts that sting was intoxicated that night. We all know sting was addicted to pay pills and alcohol at that time

[@jamiekelley4076]

Hogan should have lost clean. The NWO arc, as it stood, was getting stale. Sting should have won the title followed by the NWO imploding and turning on each other. Afterwards you have Sting vacate the title setting him up to be the Undertaker equivalent where he doesn't need the title but breaks heads when he needs to. Probably being the boogeyman that finishes off some of the remaining NWO. You set up a tournament for the vacant title where you probably have Goldberg come out as the new champion where he goes on a half year run run of destruction. Here is where you have Hart reform the NWO as the Pink and Black addition to take the belt from Goldberg, injuring him to take him out for the remaining year, setting you up for a Hart heel faction run into the 2000s. This is a chance to break up the Nitro and Thunder shows into two different teams similar to what WWE was about to do. You can have the NWO wars on Thunder with Hard and a Nash led babyface Wolfpack going on while WCW remains on Nitro. This gives new talent in the WCW Nitro brand a chance to grow away from the veterans and NWO mania. You eventually have Goldberg come back to the Nitro brand to be a monster among men again. Hopefully with even more training and skill this time around.

[@adrianhemmer6728]

So it wasn’t miscommunication with Nick Patrick

[@mexmexican8619]

Sting was just Warrior Lite