MSI Ping Calamity / Is it fair to have RNG replay? - Summoning Insight S5E13 (feat. artificial ping)

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Join MonteCristo and Thorin with guest artificial ping, as they discuss the real problems with network latency at MSI, Riot's ruling to replay RNG's matches, possible positive changes to the MSI format, the dominance of T1/RNG/G2 in the Group Stage, predictions for the next tournament phase, and more.
MSI Group Stage viewership stats: escharts.com/news/msi-2022-gr...
This episode was filmed on May 16th, 2022.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:09:33 - Riot's infrastructure at events
0:28:58 - RNG rematches
0:44:54 - Viewership at MSI
0:53:37 - The MSI format
1:20:18 - Group Stage recap
1:52:05 - G2 Esports
1:57:51 - TSM article
2:03:22 - T1 and RNG
2:14:07 - EG, Saigon Buffalo, PSG Talon, and the battle for 4th place
2:28:25 - Closing thoughts and NA updates
2:33:04 - Viewer Questions: thoughts on Bo
2:36:12 - What items should you pay full price for?
2:44:27 - Esports player ID jokes
2:45:03 - Is any press good press for TSM?
2:46:28 - Similar paths for EG and G2
2:47:51 - "Peak" LoL team
2:52:34 - Memorable Bo5 losers
2:54:53 - Which caster stood up to Riot most effectively?
3:00:01 - Dota and LoL esports comparisons
3:02:49 - Greatest storylines in esports history
3:08:05 - Memorable messages to Thorin
#MSI
#LoLEsports
#LoLPodcast
#ESBIntro

[@gl0beest]

Cisco ads actually say "behind every zero ping match at MSI 2022", I laughed so fucking hard when I saw them 😄

[@D1L1vidz]

the viewership issue is that EU and NA can't watch these games because of the timezone. EU it's on during work times and NA it's on at some terrible time in the morning/night.

[@Olcia13131]

exactly, it is impossible to watch the games during a working day, I am always watching the replays in the evening. I think the viewership will go up for the rumble stage because most of the games are on the weekend.

[@seldomsane5278]

Oh well, I have to deal with the same thing when these events are in EU or NA, so we all gotta deal with it.....

[@D1L1vidz]

​@@seldomsane5278 Im not complaining simply giving some reasoning for the lower viewership

[@seldomsane5278]

@@D1L1vidz all good, more so replying to olcia

[@viktorasdambrauskas9058]

Even if I could watch the games, I would not. The format is just too bad and watching G2 stomp EG and ORD for 8 games brings no narrative and no other value.

[@nickmajora]

I'm totally down for 'Thorin Behaving Egregiously'. Sounds fire.

[@zimmerman1031]

Haven't seen a Montecristo and Thorin video in years, and for some reason decided to click on this and watch. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would, but no lie, the best part of the whole show was when you guys went into detail on food, the reasons to eat good food, and even the idea of Montecristo showing how he cooks foods, to eat healthy. It shows a certain maturity teaching people to take care of themselves.

[@tomoconnor8421]

All I wanted this week was to have you two carry on about MSI, thank you.

[@KuoOwen]

Not even halfway through this episode but just wanna say there is so much insight that has rarely been brought up and I'm loving it.

[@Kongaii]

Even Thorin prefers the Jankos x Plumy streams over MSI

[@CxerRy96]

1:16:15...but that's how I took the name "Riot" all my life, not Riot as in chaos but Riot as in Riot Squad...even their Riot skins are police officers...they are "Riot Squad" as in they break up the fun

[@Gaunerchen]

The lol esports site also doesn't display upcoming games from MSI. I had to use an external site to see the schedule. Shit like this is honestly embarrassing for a company with the size and resources of Riot. Edit: The schedule works now, but that it wasn't working for days is unacceptable.

[@108noonoo]

RNG shouldnt even be in the tourney its disgusting that Riot are even letting them play.

[@lanceelopezz223]

Yas

[@TheArizztokrat]

Could viewership not also be dependent on the timezone, as the timezone that MSI 2021 was on, was more suitable for EU and NA compared to the current one ~ 52:00

[@owenmcadams8546]

sheeesh thorin with the fresh cut🔥🔥

[@albinnordstrom2641]

Regarding the viewership of teams, its also really hard for both EU and NA fans to follow along the games because its middle of the night for NA and it's in the middle of work day for EU

[@3xtrahero]

Thats just selfish. What about the times worlds and MSI were held on NA/EU?? 🤌🏽

[@juliengaumez3171]

@@3xtrahero he isn't trying to say that msi should be in eu or na. He's just pointing out that there is another reason to why T1 games have so much more viewers than the g2/eg games.

[@3xtrahero]

@@juliengaumez3171 I wasn’t saying it should held in specific region as well mate. When games were held in NA it was the same for the SKT fans to follow up on games as you have had to atm; in the middle of the night/early morning/in the middle of the work.

[@sjoerddz]

@@3xtrahero but we can't watch live during a work day, you are not telling me everyone took days of just to watch all the games live.

[@3xtrahero]

@@sjoerddz wtf is going on here? Am i not clear enough? It’s just how the world works man you can’t have everything like you want them. Next year MSI will be in EU then lck/lpl fans will have the same problem. How the hell did work come in all this…

[@hamstar7128]

Imagine the MID season invitational is actually mid

[@oscarwong67]

Monte was on fire this episode, the explanations were so good

[@lemke5497]

The viewership and network parts were very well prepared. Amazing content

[@Pastelbluesox]

Nice fade thorin!!

[@boredindividual]

I really think MSI would be more exciting if they took 1st and 2nd seed of each region instead of just 1st. I watched the majority of the EU, NA and KR games and nearly all of them were pretty painful to watch because of how unbalanced the groups were. I know thorin suggested this idea at some point. Can't remember the exact timestamp.

[@keyurpatel1860]

That’s pretty close to jus being worlds. But I like the idea regardless tbh

[@tobyhall8048]

@@keyurpatel1860 Why can't it be just a mid-season worlds? Who made that rule up???

[@itemtest1]

Finally I've been waiting for this episode. So many interesting things happened this MSI already. I hope we get more information 🤔🤔🤔

[@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702]

A lot of interesting things but almost 0 interesting games LUL

[@itemtest1]

@@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702 EG having better draft and somehow losing every time to G2, that is quite interesting in my opinion. Does that mean LCS is in really bad state this spring?🤔🤔🤔

[@Habeev07]

39:16 Hey RIOT you are giving 10% of your $ to COMMUNISTS!! Moreso 100% since Tencent owns it. How dare you allow this to happen. You started out as a NA company and sold your soul to the DEVIL!! BURN NOW!! BOYCOTT THIS GAME!!

[@Habeev07]

side note: ITS FUCKING MORONIC THAT MAO'KAI ISNT PLAYED. LITERALLY EVERY ABILITY HE HAS IS A FORM OF CC. Q,W,R ALL DISPLACE/ROOT AND THE E SLOWS. IT MAKES NO SENSE TEAMS ARE NOT PLAYING THIS CHAMP. CC WINS GAMES.

[@lordkubikum]

@@itemtest1 That is literally the only interesting thing that happened. You could add Saigon Buffalo upsetting DFM. But the other games were just T1 and RNG stomping minor regions.

[@philippscott9904]

Watching on KZbin because the spotify episode isn’t out yet :) assuming it is taking longer because of the video as well?

[@itanocircus2077]

Thinking on what Riot does to the format each year, it's appropriate that the tournament is MSI: Mindless Self Indulgence

[@mitchellwilliam95]

I like my coffee black, just like my metal

[@Snootz86]

Have to agree on MSI.. which is a shame because one of the best moments in LOL was 2019 MSI imo.. 3 amazing teams that would go onto worlds semi finals and also team liquid who talent wise were the best NA team ever.. give more NA vs EU.. hell give more LCK vs LPL instead of those regions canbalising each other ( at worlds)

[@Habeev07]

39:16 Hey RIOT you are giving 10% of your $ to COMMUNISTS!! Moreso 100% since Tencent owns it. How dare you allow this to happen. You started out as a NA company and sold your soul to the DEVIL!! BURN NOW!! BOYCOTT THIS GAME!!

[@Habeev07]

Side note: ITS FUCKING MORONIC THAT MAO'KAI ISNT PLAYED. LITERALLY EVERY ABILITY HE HAS IS A FORM OF CC. Q,W,R ALL DISPLACE/ROOT AND THE E SLOWS. IT MAKES NO SENSE TEAMS ARE NOT PLAYING THIS CHAMP. CC WINS GAMES.

[@reeson]

@@Habeev07 compare maokai value to ornn value and then you'll maxbe understand that if even ornn is just ok with a better Laning phase / better mid game / much stronger engage and insane scaling with ornnaments

[@anonihme5142]

don't you think the timezone in which the games are played would also play a significant role in western viewership?

[@skeel77730]

They don't use logic because they have a hate boner on china and riot

[@Ellefsen97]

Yeah the timezone is honestly the worst for western audiences. NA is sleeping and EU is at work/school

[@turnermarius4471]

@@Ellefsen97 I will watch the T1 and g2 on my mobile, while a work on my desk.

[@Thundawich]

With regards to the ping issue, did it also affect the fog? One thing you notice with ping is that when you uncover fog, stuff in the fog doesn't appear instantly. Your pc tells the server that you've uncovered the fog, then the server tells you what is in the fog. With some packet loss or higher ping, you can end up nearly being in melee range of minions before they actually appear.

[@ForrestRuke]

Hey Monte & Thorin team, cannot find this episode on Google Podcast. Please help :)

[@cadedario5560]

I remember California used to be on 10 ping back in like 2014 or something. I sucked back then but it was so nice.

[@Fan361]

what is with "apple music" podcast would like to watch it there

[@harrymcnally4290]

If they wanted to keep the continuity of the acronym for simplicity/viewer recognition or whatever excuse- they could just call it mid-season international

[@MegaKorva]

Never played with lower than ~45 ping ... i wonder whats it like with 0.

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

As far as format is concerned. I think that the LEC format nailed it almost perfectly. You have a massive doubble round robbin, followed by a doubble elim bracket, where the top 4 teams have 2 lives. It's really good to know which team is actually the best in the tournament, and it's really entertaining to watch, especially cause in the lower bracket you play one more game than in the upper bracket. Even lesser teams get many chances to do well.

[@edwintovargarcia]

Where is the Spotify upload? :(

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

Is there any reason why we don't have WIldcards (in true sense of that word) , I remamber that In Starcraft 2 there were spots for in some tournaments where Just random players could compete for these and you had some , that came out of of these pre-games to make deep runs into the real tournament. Majority of these games weren't shown , if any were shown... but that was so good for story purposes. I Imagine Kcorp , taking on g2 and actually taking off games of them. Or T1 academy or something like that

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

I didn't know I needed Thoorin telling the story of Jankos and Plumy but I can't stop smiling hearing him discuss it.

[@skeel77730]

it was cringe really

[@soadodadjian730]

where is it? i should have written down the timestamp...

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

@@skeel77730 I find cringe sorta funny I guess. Having serious "esports historian" Thoorin discuss some dumb weird relationship stuff is pretty ridiculous. But you do you and get bent out of shape over fifteen seconds.

[@skeel77730]

@@TheLoos3Goos33 only one getting bent over is you

[@MultiGreef]

You could even make a deadbrain rebrand to Mid Season International, and at least it would make sense.

[@ThexNaaathan]

Lets change the MSI name to the Bud Light Invitational.

[@stratfender89]

Is it fucked up I watch more Summoning Insight than League events?

[@dobbs663]

same bro, when msi was announced to be on 35 ping i was already off it

[@skeel77730]

yes you are fucked up

[@AMGKITTENZ]

What is even the point of MSI now. The winner will have a massive asterisk put next to their victory and all the losers can say they lost because of lag.

[@nissleycrunch9097]

Like imagine if it's T1 vs G2 in finals, will they play on ping? So shit lol

[@jasong.3991]

@@nissleycrunch9097 Tru

[@nissleycrunch9097]

@@HappyroosterYT thats how I felt at first, but if you asked G2 and T1 they probably all say I want 0 ping

[@skeel77730]

You say that until T1 wins and you be all over reddit celebrating

[@AMGKITTENZ]

@@skeel77730 I'm not watching this shit show. Wake me up when they win worlds

[@Zwijger]

I think worlds 2017 finals qualifies for the question, if only because everyone believed to the very end SKT/T1 could/would get it together.

[@lanceelopezz223]

Tyler1 is a lot more entertaining than Christian Rivera. Numbers don’t lie.

[@distortion6981]

On memorable B05s i have SSG vs H2k semifinal even though it was a 3-0 those first 2 games were so good by H2k. I was surpired going back looking at them because in my mind they got stomped 3-0 but revisiting i think there is a world where h2k can win. The funny thing is their import mid was the one underpwerforming

[@szabel.]

best part was the food convo, is so true, bought a house recently and started cooking with more whole/healthy foods and it's been amazing

[@Pseudologion]

I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that the source of the 30% drop in watch rate in western viewers is from the format or having 35 ping to accommodate RNG. I think the biggest reason to explain the drop in viewers is the fact that it's held in S. Korea, and not iceland. When matches start at 3AM+, you're going to lose a lot of vierwership from the Americas and Europe.

[@rocketpower3957]

The viewership number includes both eastern and western viewers excluding China. While you lose western viewers, you gain eastern viewers. And LCK spring 2022 got the highest peak viewers! So I doubt the timezone is the main issue here.

[@Pseudologion]

​@@rocketpower3957 Eastern viewers is LJL, LCK, SEA (garena servers) and LCO. From the perusing that I've done, the player base overall is much much smaller in total from these servers than in EU and Turkey (who usually watch the first half of the day), the players from servers in the Americas (who can catch the tail end of the games) assuming said people are following a reasonable sleep schedule. You're cutting the viewership in half from a massive part of the total player base sans China. Hence the 30% decrease in part makes sense. As a footnote, we're still only 1 week into the event, so it's too early to tell how the viewership will pan out at the end.

[@kurobara3]

I think life from sc2 is a pretty cool story. Youngest gsl winner and I think the first proper royal roader

[@varunreddy2106]

For 12 teams we could do exactly what the dota major is doing now, 2 groups with 6 teams each, bottom 2 from each group go to the lower bracket where they will wait for the loser team from the first round of the upper bracket

[@kris6456]

Ping jumping up and down, RNG playing remotely and their group playing extra games, ORD playing 8 straight against two major regions. Every team here is playing in a different tournament lol

[@ssenkrad67]

1 major region*

[@kris4876]

So are you guys just not uploading to spotify anymore?

[@lastfreenation]

There is a new Spotify channel that also has video. Search for it on Spotify!

[@kris4876]

@@lastfreenation Followed. Thank you for the reply!

[@LEThavFUNnSMILE]

The podcast not on spotify yet guess it is processing

[@andrewhibbard7406]

It's on a new channel. The old channel will be renamed soon open.spotify.com/episode/5AJdyXfnQqytgZWK0yT3dV?si=vZSmoM67TV2VjDafF8d9bA&

[@uncannyostrich580]

@@andrewhibbard7406 Thank you brother

[@emceemikey]

Lemony snicket taught me denouement

[@hybridxtr]

I have 60 ping and it's the lowest I've ever had my ping and I've been playing since release lol I didn't know most people played on less edit except for the pros obviously

[@JackTheRifter07]

I think that riot should truthfully adopt a massive bracket, I mean even Wimbledon is based on a 64-man single elimination bracket. I think it would be completely doable to run a 16-team double-elimination bracket. All the teams that are competing technically did their own group stage within their respective countries.

[@jamps_tv8778]

Omg thorin mentioning this being on brand for american sponsors reminded me of the cnn ukraine applebees meme so bad rofl

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

1:14:30 "International Spring Season Championship" instead of Mid-season invitetional. I think it would be better, cause all the regions already have 2 seasons where if you win spring, you're still the champion of spring season. And the MSI is the best teams from each region of the spring season. Then you have all the domestic champions competing of who is the world champion of spring. Edit: Maybe the winners of MSI could be called "The champions of champions". That's a fucking cool title to be able to have.

[@benjaminp2776]

can we all just take a moment to acknowledge thorin lookin crispy with the fade?

[@gg4935]

artificial ping KILLED IT this episode

[@m4vify]

Why did they get rid of the Battle of the Atlantic again? I feel like a lot of league consumers would watch something similar these days. Could do the same with China vs Korea. That must generate a lot of viewership, no?

[@nuraby_9228]

Iirc, Battle of the Atlantic was during offseason between Worlds and Spring, so teams probably didn't want to go and I'm pretty sure it didn't last beyond 1 event. Rift Rivals was canceled because NA and EU fans/players complained and weren't interested, despite KR and CN being balls to the wall all-in on winning their Rift Rival event (And Flash Wolves would carry LMS as far as they could lol.)

[@1337slic3]

I don't watch pro league anymore but I clicked to see Thorin's Peyton manning jersey

[@mValerianW]

Daaaaamn ya boy Thorin is looking slick as fuck!!!!! 🔥

[@matt5137]

I think mid-season invitational is so prestigious

[@cammurray4648]

Would be interesting to see what Faker’s dmg/gold looks like

[@iGoatYouTTV]

Let’s Goat

[@schacherseppeli9601]

For the Alien-Team-Question you actually just could take the whole M5 team... Darien and Genja alone would already brake them, throw in some Diamondprox, Alex Ich and Edward and they are done!

[@Habeev07]

RIOT BETTER CHANGE WORLD'S FORMAT. IT'S BEEN 12 FUCKING YEARS.

[@c-valueenigma4977]

EUW Berlin is at max 20 not 35 unless your home connection sucks

[@timplaxstar]

How did the betting sites that sponsor you handle the RNG replayed games ?

[@dominicholder7323]

So basically Riot did everything in their power to make EG at least beat Order by changing the ping to NA solo queue ping!

[@b3ne222]

Spotifiy please lads

[@Pkuall4life]

Group Stage, TOP 3 QUALIFY; 1st seed plays 2nd seed, 3rd seed qualifies down to a lower bracket.

[@thomaslauritzen]

3:12:10 - 3:13:05 is easily the funniest ~60 seconds of Thorin I've ever seen, looking forward to the banter this channel will have with all of the new projects! 😂

[@PhuongHoang-gm6xx]

I think one thing we always forget when it comes to match format is the time restrains. All international teams are allowed to be in the country around 3 weeks to 1 month max (and they have to rush back to prepare for summer splits). That's why I think, though it's unfair to do BO1 when you have strong teams playing against each other, it unfortunately the only thing RIOT can do within the limited time range

[@nick.gordon]

CSGO and Dota matches are a similar length to LoL and they manage better formats on LAN. It's not like Riot are the only company that have to operate within these constraints, there are options available they just don't want to do them.

[@potowogreedo]

My dude check how many matches have been played in the PGL Major that's going on right now, and the timeframe.

[@dvsdnl]

Major Server Issues is an annual tournament put on by Tencent through Riot Games. It’s most well known for robbing fans of great match ups and having every group end with a perfect record team.

[@roller98]

Someone should raid an event so we can get that code.

[@Monotheist137]

Its sad that escore esports will rip it off your content in to their shitty videos, because its really good. Btw is there a dota 2 thorin or something? Since lol is business not a sport, would like to start following dota2 instead of lol. Lol could be such an awesome esport if done right.

[@hyoudouissei9997]

nice haircut thorin

[@moggreg]

For the food discussion: most of the best ingredients are really cheap which means I as a student can live on real food instead of ramen everyday. I just dont think people put in the effort to cook or choose ingredients based on whats on sale and what not. I live in Sweden so maybe its better standards here but prices shouldnt be.

[@PassivesAbseits]

MonteCristo should have asked me... I watched this shitshow... for exactly the right reasons: I wanted to see, how the minor regions are developing. Now these results were still rather disturbing, since all the minor regions (Including EG, compared to G2) took major steps backwards compared to last seasons, where DFM really looked competitive... But yeah, the question, whether the 2nd VCS Team can beat NAs first seed, is all there is left in this tournament... Just for comparison: Last year around this time, C9 after the first round robin had to beat Damwon and hope for DFM to lose to Infinty, to avoid tiebreakers... and we all know, how well NA does in Tiebreakers... The only team, that went 8-0, was RNG. No team won 0 games... Riot expected more of this. No one expected the gap to widen as much, as it did. The minor regions have to figure out, how and why this happened... Or as another example: Last year, Istanbul Wildcards beat Mad Lions... this year, they didn't come close to challenging PSG.

[@PieTheRunner]

Why not call MSI the Tournament of Champions?

[@seldomsane5278]

Yeah, I would've preferred 100T or TL at this tournament... Inspired (and Impact to a lesser degree) carried the shit out of EG in the LCS playoffs. I could give excuses for 100T, but in the end, the EU MVP dragged his team kicking and screaming to MSI, and now EG as a whole have been massively exposed.

[@erica2980]

The funny thing is in league of legends the best player of all time actually has been overrated. For years it didn't matter what he played like, which players looked like they were in better form than him. Faker would be 1-5 on every list of top players leading into worlds.

[@smarton1600]

Selling class 2a carcinogenics and class 1 carcinogenics as healthy food.

[@jakegreenstein778]

Video on Spotify. Bye YT

[@belesir8847]

For the peak LoL team I'd go: Top: TheShy 2018 Worlds Jungle: Tarzan 2019 Spring Mid: Rookie 2018 Worlds ADC: Deft 2019 Spring Supp: Ming 2021 Spring

[@mattfairon3465]

Khan, karsa, faker, uzi, and hyli beat imo

[@Big14shokz]

Dandy + mata worlds 2014 + faker 2013 are the highest peaks ever tbh

[@iridiscent.d7414]

If we're talking about peak relative to other players at the time I would go: Top: TheShy 2018 Worlds Jungle: Canyon 2020 Worlds Mid: Faker 2013 Champions Summer ADC: Uzi 2018 MSI Support: Mata 2014 Worlds

[@milkman2266]

Thorin hair 😍

[@mojoojojoo5818]

I play with 9 to 15 ping on euw and stuck in dia 4 kekw

[@doublejesusful]

1:29:09 well after this mornings skt vs eg game this didn't age well. Guess the argument could be inferred that Monte is saying skt isn't a good team? 🤔

[@Dfelder261]

So... I def understand Thorin's point about the 20-0 run but I dont think he watched a lot of those series. They were literally experimenting w drafts, loss a game and then absolutely stomp the next game. Like sub-25 min stomp. And as good as those teams G2 beat... they would get smoked by GenG and DwG. The only legit single game losses were Canyon and Chovy super carries. And those 2 r goats.

[@lanceelopezz223]

Correct.

[@lagarttemido]

As a Brazilian, I can say you are 100% right on what you guys said. Well done! lol

[@kaliver517]

Not to pile on or anything but I haven't watched the games and I'm not even watching the CSGO Major yet either. The fact it's a shit format now featuring shit latency and only a couple teams worth watching... I don't even know what the point of this is. I mean, can someone explain it to me like I'm five years old? Why would you host an international tournament with almost nothing worth watching? Make it 2 NA teams, 2 EU teams, 3 or 4 LCK and 3 or 4 LPL teams in a good format and at least it wouldn't feel like a waste of time. We'd get a bigger sample size of matches between regions and narratives could carry over to Worlds. As is, this is a complete miss.

[@ilcavalieredellupo4339]

1:52:00

[@zembleton9789]

youtube full of adds now time to change again.

[@ilcavalieredellupo4339]

1:03:40

[@psixi7230]

3:12:44 LMFAO

[@SirDumplin]

@2:02:50 - 2:03:00 mad funny

[@Matt77093]

All this talk about ping has been really interesting. I'd already heard people say things like "its illegal to play leesin on more than 20 ping" and being from a city that has 65 ping to my server, its actually so disheartening to think one of the steps towards competing at the highest level would be to move closer to the server.

[@CxerRy96]

2:00:15 Regi is actually Gaunter O'Dimm, technically he just bends the rules to his will

[@Verlisify]

Monte talking about his blacklist reminds me of what happened in Pokemon. The Pokemon Company has shut me out because I *checks notes* proved Tournament Officials were covering up 90% of tournament finalists cheating. Meanwhile people disparaging the developers, pirating the game, and hacking the games receive care packages.

[@esportsinsight3199]

Sorry this happened to you!

[@lastfreenation]

Sorry this happened to you!

[@Verlisify]

@@lastfreenation That actually means a lot from you directly. Thank you. It is crazy how everything is deeply corrupt these days, even Pokemon. Here is a watch if interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3_SaHWKp8l6i80

[@TheDarkKnightEE]

The irony of frosk mouthing off about privilege why defaming a company that literally will re hire her no matter what she does

[@wolfachilles5451]

MSI is so bad it’s going to make T1 worse. We might see an RNG-esque slump at the beginning of summer after practicing against shitters for a whole month

[@HopefulNihilist]

3:08:15 For those who are curious as to why brazillians equate the number 24 to being gay, it's because in Brazil there's a illegal gambling game which is played with numbers from 01 to 25, and each of those numbers is represented by an animal. The animal that represents 24 is a "deer" or in portuguese "veado" which has been used historically as an homophobic slur, even tho not to the same degree of severity as the "F word" is used in the US. PS: To be fair tho, "veado" is also often used as an endearing term among friends, so yeah.

[@lanceelopezz223]

h00m00p00b1c!!1!!1 waah waah

[@milenamorelli9799]

Ok as a Brazilian, I'm shocked Thorin knows about the number 24 bs hahahaha Though I haven't heard people take that seriously since I was in high school, which makes me wonder how old and how fragile those men are

[@Meteor204666]

Did Thorin really say European soccer and American football?

[@trollguyyeah]

the boomers of esports