Spartan-IV Reputation - Lore and Theory

In this episode: We take a close look at the Spartan-IVs and try to figure out why they have a reputation of being the worst Spartan Class, and why they're so widely disliked by the fans.
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[@grantreichel6870]

I would like to point out that there are still over 300 Spartan III's out there that 343 has done NOTHING with.

[@thexskating]

Which fucking pisses me off

[@Spookyy24]

@@thexskating same here bro

[@thexskating]

@@Spookyy24 LET'S RIOT!!!🤬🤬🤬

[@Spookyy24]

@@thexskating WE WANT SPARTAN III REPRESENTATION!!!

[@thexskating]

GIVE ME SPARTAN III's OR GIVE ME DEATH!

[@BrSgtJordan]

I saw Palmer being sassy as an awkward attempt to build camaraderie with a living legend.

[@thewretchedpleb7484]

Possibly, but the S2's weren't generally good with social cues like that. Although chief understood sarcasm when talking to Cortana throughout the original trilogy. So I imagine he gets it, just isn't amused by it. Kinda like batman with pretty much anyone else, I guess. Dude laughed literally once that I can recall.

[@amuroray9115]

@@thewretchedpleb7484 the S2’s have no social skills at all. Being trained to be elite super soldiers since childhood did that to them

[@dantrinh100]

Yeah, most do though there are few (don’t remember who but I think (THINK) it was Kurt or another) Spartans have been known to have conversations with non spartan personnel as well as cracking jokes.

[@chasemichonski7883]

@@dantrinh100 I remember Kurt being described as the one that makes friends from "Ghosts of Onyx" and maybe that one spartan girl from gray team, I forgot her name or the book though

[@dantrinh100]

@@chasemichonski7883 Adriana-111

[@zentonic2454]

Spartan II: Oldest child Spartan III: Middle child Spartan IV: Youngest child

[@JacobBite]

and johnson's the dad

[@muffinmaster491]

@@JacobBite dad went to the ark for cigarettes and never came back.

[@nkohler5601]

... Isn't the middle child suppose to be the one that gets upity? The oldest is the one that the parents are paranoid over doing something wrong with. The youngest is doted on to make sure they have the same advantages of the first two. The middle is expected to be better then the first but always in the shadow of the first and never given the same attention as the third and as such feels left out and overlooked. At least that is how I always thought of it.

[@billclark5055]

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

[@tlufo]

Spartan IV: not planned last child from a big family, to the point parents forgot it at the hospital.

[@Mgauge]

The problem with the IVs isn’t so much the concept, but the writers latching on to lame cliches.

[@jasonbarkley4586]

I agree

[@Cailus3542]

Geostomp Great concept. Poor execution.

[@torinodeguzman4243]

I think they were trying too hard to make 4s separate from the 2 3s

[@spaced94]

I think that was the point, IVs were peace time troops with little to no experience, carefree attitude. But it might be just poorly written

[@Mgauge]

spaced94 They aren’t peacetime troops, they’re decorated veterans. Some of them were characters in Halo 3 ODST. They have been in the thick of it since then cleaning up Covenant remnants, Forerunner technology, and Flood sightings. The problem is that the writers treat them as generic grunts rather than the elite veterans they should be to differentiate them from the 2s and 3s.

[@BigTylt]

I'm pretty sure that disobeying orders and running out into the open should at least be worthy of a demotion and some time spent mopping Infinity's decks.

[@vineethphilip3969]

unless its the Master Chief doing it in which case letting him do his own thing has never really been a problem in the long term

[@jester4057]

@@vineethphilip3969 But the S-IV got wounded and compromised the mission. Chief only disobeyed orders if it made sense to

[@vineethphilip3969]

@@jester4057 exactly, letting chief do his own thing has no downsides, letting the S-IV's do anything outside of orders is a disaster waiting to happen

[@FurryGram]

pretty sure they got roombas or something, but it would be funny to see a spartan just all kitted up and mopping a cafeteria as punishment for poor teamplay in a fight.

[@jester4057]

@@FurryGram that would be pretty amazing lmao

[@Misterbitties]

When Locke says “you’re not the only one here because of him”. I think he’s referring to the fact many soldiers chose to become Spartan IV’s because of the Chief. They looked up to him as a hero. This could of been such a powerful moment if Locke added onto his statement. Perhaps something like “we all chased after the Chiefs footsteps one way or another”, or something more deep and meaningful (forgive me Im not a writer).

[@nkosig4995]

Nope. Short story palace hotel chief saves his life and palmers. The writing is just bad in halo 4/5

[@gregmattes2119]

You still wrote it better than the actual writers

[@derpynerdy6294]

@@gregmattes2119 yeah could’ve added more to his character

[@danielbeck2739]

No need to apologize, honestly that is pretty solid. I'm not a writer, but between that or even Buck pressing on that statement and Locke mentions a planet and/or mission to give credence to notion that Locke was and/or fought along side of Master Chief would have been better then what we got.

[@panthaddon7942]

My take of "youre not the only one here because of him" is the fact that chief saved the universe multiple times and locke knowing this knows how awful it looks to hunt down a hero

[@Haimgard]

Put the surviving Spartan II and III in charge of the Spartan IV and they might turn into real Spartans.

[@shadowfox0087]

Guess what Jun-a266 a spartan III and the last survivor of Nobel team and Musa-096 a spartan II washout are the ones running the spartan branch

[@judaychop]

Shadefox 00 yep, the SlVs should be decent if not good or great spartans but the writers gave us Majestic. Yes all of Osiris, Thorne, Palmer, and a new SlV in the book Halo Renegades are decent but other than Thorne, Majestic shouldnt have been selected let alone passed training.

[@Spartan120]

Heck, bring back Franklin Mendez. He'll whip them into real Spartans.

[@kanden27]

Spartan120 Sadly, he’s on Onyx. He’s the director of a Human colony cooperating with the Arbiter’s people. As well as over some Spartans. Even Lucy and Tom.

[@ebonkinght]

I dont think all of them were like that it was only majestic minus Thorne that acted like frat douches.

[@osbaldocruz4735]

Spartan-I: Lack of technology Spartan-II: No need to explain Spartan-III: 4/5 of SII badassery with a 1/3 of their budget Spartan-IV: Decaff version

[@Tyhros]

Spartan-IV: Walmart

[@loganhebert7475]

@@Tyhros III are Walmart. VI are from wish.

[@billclark5055]

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

[@billclark5055]

Lets be honest, 4s are way better than Is

[@billclark5055]

4s are more numerous and have a different role. For every one III you have 5 IVs. For every one 2, you have 10-15 IVs. So IVs would realistically beat them in a war

[@joshuagayle8473]

Gotta realize, the IVs are adults and come from the military. They have that grunt mentality. Not raised lol that's why the IIs and IIIs are more mature. They were raised for it.

[@Nonamearisto]

Grunt mentality? They run away when their leader dies? Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[@joshuagayle8473]

@@Nonamearisto still grunt mentality. They aren't all trained to be leaders and step up either.

[@lostgem8225]

@@joshuagayle8473 it was a joke about the grunts...

[@Sad_Chief]

III's were war orphans

[@Bastyxx227]

@@Sad_Chief they still were picked up at a young age, 4-6 YO, similar to S-IIs

[@natzo89]

It's because they are typical marines with upgrades. Most probably volunteered just to get power upgrades and the prestige that came with the name that was built by the IIs and IIIs. There is this quote from a fanfic about the helmets which I like as it shows its importance. "Your helmet is a masterpiece of UNSC military technology. Motion tracker, VISR tech, vision modes and HUD for offensive capabilities, while defensively, it is heavily armored, projects the cranial energy shields, and protects you from radiation, vacuum, chemical, and biological attacks. None of which will help you if you do not have it on. Which the Prometheans took advantage of. As would any competent enemy." - Master Chief, Consequences of Revelation

[@theAverageJoe25]

natzo89 really? You take information from a fanfic? That’s just sad. Also very large portion of them are spartan 3s

[@moistedits4455]

JBear Antonicic spartan IIIs are spartan IVs?

[@natzo89]

@@theAverageJoe25 No, but I like the quote to highlight the video's point about helmets. I guess that went over your head.

[@facelessPysch0]

JBear Antonicic wrong. The vast majority of them are augmented volunteers from the rest of the UNSC branches. The S3s of which there were only a few handfuls left, were formed into Ferret Teams and other ONI teams or trained S4s. So no, most of them are not Spartan-IIIs.

[@mrsaltyauthor5992]

facelessPysch0 Gamma company survived the war so there aren’t simply a handful of Spartan-IIIs

[@Mortablunt]

Spartan 1: Proof of concept, pretty good, but just a harbinger. Spartan 2: Save some ABSOLUTE CHAD for the rest of us! Spartan 3: Spartans as done by the Soviet Union. Spartan 4: Annoying little kid who says they're a Spartan, too.

[@ranger3576]

Mortablunt I find your descriptions accurate imo. I especially like the Spartan 3 one.

[@Stellar001100]

Nah. Spartan 1: Knows what the ladies like.

[@justchilling704]

Rick Regina Amen to that.

[@RobinWhiteTX]

Yep! Just add what Rick said to the Spartan 1 profile!

[@phatdog]

To be fair the Spartan 4’s only fight in wargames so they are technically just little kids raging at each other in custom games lol XD

[@Beowulf0510]

"All she needs to line her out is a damn good fu.." Well someone has a crush

[@kpmh2001]

Poor 00 is just going through his own self-doubts.

[@creepersammyb2926]

lol yes

[@iona2225]

More like a hate-boner. Or a wrathful erection. A seething stickup. Aggrieved arousal. Okay, I'm gunna stop right there and goto sleep.

[@dantrinh100]

I don’t remember that line... anyone know where exactly he said that?

[@EssmirWolf]

That sounded a bit necessary.

[@EpsilonThirteen]

"If you're nothing without the suit, you shouldn't have it."

[@DaFlatulant]

@Arti Seeing as how the 2's were trained since childhood, I highly doubt that. Without Mjolnir and the augmentations, they easily still would have been some of, if not most, proficient warriors in the UNSC.

[@Khronik_]

Arti that’s just a lie

[@thanqualthehighseer]

Really? They why were the pre augmented Spartan 2's embarrassing the hand picked ODST they went up against in training. They literally showed them up and ran rings round them at every turn.

[@austinwhite3132]

Arti stop trying to make the IVs valid they are physically,mentally and immature compared to the IIIs and IIs they are poor excuses compared to there predecessors

[@austinwhite3132]

Arti go back and read lore dumbass

[@pookiemonkey1474]

For the record, I work with a lot of “regular” soldiers (grunts, MPs, engineers) and SF guys (SEAL, DOE, Delta) in my line of work. Though I rather not say what I do in an open forum, I can agree that the “real world” soldier may act like the Spartan 4’s. But I can’t say the same about the SF (Spec Force) guys. They’re one of the most humble and most straight forward guys you’ll ever meet. Kind of guys you would want to have a beer with. That said, I do have respect for all branches of the military but there are the few that I respect above others. I’m not sure what it is about these SF guys, but they have this aura about them... they don’t need to be loud to be heard, don’t need praises, have a switch on there brain to “turn off/on” when they need to and just plain do their best to be under the radar. When it comes down to it, Halo’s“original” Spartans weren’t designed only from the Spartans of the past, but rather and equally with the real world heroes (Special Forces) of today as well.

[@McKillahGuerilla]

I was in the Marines and I've met a few SOF operators, and I agree with your assessment their humility is beyond approach and I can see how UNSC SPARTANS can compare to modern SOF units particularly tier one units.

[@JHS270694]

My father who served in the Pakistan Air Force has similar opinions. He's had a chance to meet members of the SSG (Special Service Group) and SSW (Special Service Wing), described them as no nonesense, stoic and professional with a relaxed/respectful "salook" (which means 'demeanor' or 'conduct' in Urdu) about them. Whereas my father was a lot more loose, playing pranks with their peers, having fun whilst on duty etc. He wasn't a pilot, common misconception, don't think playing pranks piloting a fighter jet is safe lol. Not everyone who serves in an Airforce branch is a pilot, but I digress. I'd wager its practically the same with all SF's around the world which the S2's and 3's are purposefully based off.

[@SilverKnightPCs]

Yeah I did 6 years out of Army Special Operations... spartan 4s are like new trainees that havent got through selection yet... but frankly represent most of younger service members

[@landonmarek7524]

This makes me wonder why 343 didn't bring in folks like you guys to figure out how best to design the characters of the S-IVs. You've all hit the nail on the head.

[@RoCK3rAD]

Heroes?

[@isaacgoeth5158]

*"Some are closer than others."* *Hearing that coming from the woman behind the Spartan II project reassures me that there is something akin to 'hope' regarding the potential of the Spartan IV's.*

[@midgetydeath]

I think she wants them to just shut up and do their damn jobs. To just focus and do what their training tells them and to follow orders. Like how we see tactical incompetence among some of the IVs. Sure, it's only a tiny few. But, that's a tiny few among people who were already elite and highly veteran soldiers even before receiving four years of training as Spartans. By then, there is absolutely no excuse for _any_ tactical mistakes or disobedience from any of them barring enemy action or great necessity. Thorn is mostly good in this way. He follows his training, has good tactical sense and awareness, and obeys his orders without bitching about not liking them.

[@sagehoge]

i wouldn't trust Halsey's idea of what being mentally stable is tbh I mean she thought it was chill to kidnap children and replace them with clones that die and for her to test out the first spartan II on ODSTs and all this was to crush a rebellion which she didn't even do.

[@paperclip6546]

Funny how the kidnapped children act more like adults than the Spartan-IV's. lol.

[@1005rhys]

I mean, Halsey said it herself, childrens minds are easier to indocrinate. Majority of Spartan 4s are cocky, brash. They are either vets of old wars or just top of their class in the army/navy/odst

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@@1005rhys Children don't stay children for very long if treated like adults.

[@MuShinnen]

@@1005rhys ODST's were elites though. They were special forces. It makes no sense for IV's to behave like they are written, because by the time you survive as much as the average ODST has to be chosen to be a spartan 4, you'd have lost the attitude these guys have. These guys act like it's their first tour of duty.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@@MuShinnen No. A lot of special forces are arse holes. And if given the liberty to proceed as they see necessary then even more so.

[@MuShinnen]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Which still doesn't equate to ALL of them, and that's the point. For whatever reason people don't seem to understand that you can't judge an entire group of people based off the actions of a handful.

[@thegoatking9506]

you pointing out that spartan 4's regularly take off their helmets reminded me of Kat getting shot by some random elite

[@isaachinds3736]

She had her helmet. She just wasn't mindful to reset her shields. That needle is made to pierce. 4s are just asking to die. No sense of urgency or care.

[@MrMetalHead1100]

the goat king she had her helmet on though.

[@neko281]

Isaac Hinds wasn’t the radiation emitted from the ship preventing them from getting their shields on?

[@Litany_of_Fury]

@@isaachinds3736 One of those Halo2 jackels

[@Ghost7065]

wasn't that a a jackal

[@osiris7127]

Master Chief walks into the Spartan 4 barracks MC - IT SMELLS LIKE BITCH IN HERE! S4s - "look down in fear"

[@PoeticDeath-iy4lz]

Because of the 69 likes, I choose not to like this even tho I do

[@LoneWolf-vu6qy]

Me - Your GF was in here earlier, Chief.

[@osiris7127]

@@LoneWolf-vu6qy Chief- no wonder she took control of all those AIs with only you losers to defend us.

[@Funvideos-ei7xr]

Get in the armor John

[@lavellelee5734]

Can I use this🤣

[@Plastikdoom]

Oh, and. The II’s were beating the covenant without shielding, they were literally the ones that got the covenant tech, and delivered it, so their shields could be reverse engineered, and improved upon. And the ones who helped develop, used and tested all the equipment that the later generations used and humans overall.

[@billclark5055]

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

[@billclark5055]

That's dope sauce

[@__last]

All the spartan 4's saw how shit they were when they saw chief walking at the end of Halo 4 towering above everybody. That satisfied me at least a little bit.

[@mup8661]

That scene is the first one that comes to mind when I talk about Halo 4. Its power and respect personified

[@Blueslyfox]

@Alex K because they had the same augmentation that made them grow to that size. Its already been stated their heights are similar to Master Chiefs.

[@its392yugrajio]

This comment made me laugh so hard 😂😂😂

[@sometimeslol5578]

@Alex K those are fives I thought? Or some sorta second generation fours so CE they have newer augments

[@emanacacio324]

P

[@felisildaraphaeljustink.5361]

Some rando UNFC Admiral:"We need help, we're being overrun, send spartans!" *Sends Gen 4s "God we're fucked..."

[@gino14]

CaPtAiN LaSkY aSkEd FoR ThE BeSt!

[@grantblackman]

@@gino14 Then why didn't we get even the 2nd best?

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

This video was hard to watch seeing as how half of the Spartan-IV's that we see act like teenagers, and college students at best.

[@VallornDeathblade]

Fireteam Fratboy

[@warlordhax5995]

Was just about to comment (like 2 min into the video) that they're college bros not legendary war time weapons

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@VallornDeathblade Amazing.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@warlordhax5995 Wise choice.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@Softy k.

[@d1arkblue]

the game make the ODSTs seem like better soldiers than the Spartan-IVs.

[@sativasoundsandgaming9142]

Blue Pepper spartan IVs are made up of ODSTS

[@sativasoundsandgaming9142]

Blue Pepper that’s true lmao but they learned

[@bluseygal8321]

@Blue Pepper ODST is hated Spartans early on the war because they felt like the Armour was just handed to them

[@bluseygal8321]

The Spartan 4S are just about as bad as driving as kat

[@rou8390]

Thing is though, many Spartan IVs were originally ODSTs. For example, Palmer, Buck, Romeo, Dutch, Gretchen, and Mickey (sorta).

[@partysnax3120]

Honestly I like how some of the spartan IVs are the most accurate representation of real enlisted soldiers/marines. In war you try to use levity to numb the trauma.

[@lilomega7390]

people who never been in service always think is 24 hours of seriousness, thats farthest from the truth, there are plenty of time for lightheartedness even on the battlefield, now take regular people who enlist and become Spartans, the only thing that change is their physicality, people act like the hardened badass that makes no jokes is the ultimate soldier, irl those soldiers also joke around especially when there is nothing to do. these people see what Hollywood put out and these games put out a false narrative on what a elite soldier is and people buy into the bull crap. i get halo is fiction but the hard reality is even in stuff like halo you will always have people trying to enjoy themselves when in hell

[@starhammer5247]

But the S-IV's of Majestic had a tendency to fuck around in active combat zones and take off their helmets just because. There's a time and a place to fuck around, and it's certainly not in a place where you can get shot at any moment.

[@Isu908]

@@lilomega7390 We see this with the marines and odst npcs in the games and it makes sense for spartan iv's do be the same. But as spartan ii and iiis when their lives were literally made and conditioned for war from single digit ages i cant imagine that they have that same joking-mentality

[@lilomega7390]

@@Isu908 that’s fair, I’m mainly talking about how people have an issue with how human the layer Spartans are. Yeah if you were trained in nothing but killing from a young age you may lose the ability to have humor but for Spartans that enlist willingly it’s different

[@LordEmperorBoss]

I’d say the most notable trait of the S-4s is that they are the most Human. This is both their best and worst trait. Which is why only a handful of them are actually worthy of being called a Spartan.

[@mitchell3593]

Best? In terms of being soldiers, this makes them shit, in terms of being Spartans this makes them worse than shit, the whole idea of the Spartan programs were to create weapons that could think, not humans who could fight.

[@RedMcCarl]

They honestly don't seem the most "human" to me I don't know enough about 1s other the Johnson but the 3s seemed like the most normal humans in the sense that they were the most down to earth realistic and "stable" the 4s simply show in my opinion the absolute worst aspects of humanity and while the 2s are generally considered the most broken in a way I've always felt they exemplified quite possibly the absolute BEST aspects of humanity that despite being broken despite being twisted and tortured by war you can still be loyal loving merciful understanding honorable and most of all heroic

[@walmartbargainbin]

Buck is still the best Spartan-IV. You can’t change my mind.

[@emanuelgonzalez1975]

Lack of options mate

[@Nonamearisto]

He's really an ODST, which are badass normal humans who earned the right to be called top-quality troops. With Spartan augmentations, he's the best Spartan IV there is. Locke isn't bad I suppose, but he's really, REALLY bland.

[@VindensSaga]

Buck is awesome yes but I think he should have stayed an ODST. Because ODST are badasses

[@Rexhunterj]

@@Nonamearisto He also suffers from a case of "YES MAN" itis. ONI tells him to hunt a hero down "because" and he says "Yes sir." and does it without question. Even Buck asked Locke "Why? The man is THE hero of our species." essentially. Locke projected a perception of a lie onto a hero to justify his actions, he seemed to think the man in the suit was arrogant and had no respect for authority when the opposite is true, John respects the chain of command, but he also knows that the same chain of command can be the reason people die needlessly, the reason he and Hood play off each other so well is because they believe the same things.

[@epicmickey2351]

Good thing Buck left the Spartan Squad, reformed Alpha Nine, and married Veronica.

[@Shorkshire]

You also gotta remember even Halsey said they've basically run out of perfect candidates for the earlier Spartan projects.

[@nuclearjanitors]

SPARTAN IIs and IIIs had much more of a reason to fight and push forward than IVs. Has everyone forgotten the climate of desperation the Human-Covenant war had? Has it been that long? It was do or die, indoc or not. Humanity's last best hope against the Gun Pointed at the Head of the Universe.

[@Themrine2013]

@Ana L'Seepage humanity is no longer on a survivalist war footing though. Insurrectionist from what I understand aren't that much of a threat anymore.

[@rushpatriot2866]

Well orginal the IIs where for rebel suppressing not alien warfare. Unlike the IIIs which were made for this exact reason. Though I dont see it being a bad idea to open a new spartan program. Also if anything like a threat of human genocide occured again I wouldnt see s problem with kidnap and in doctoring 7 yrs olds for spartan program the were more honed and efficient. Anything else would be of less importance at the time.

[@rushpatriot2866]

@@Themrine2013 The voluntary aspect of being a spartan 4 can be deadly for the unsc though case and point is Mickey.

[@RAMZAVFX]

@@rushpatriot2866 its funny, even the canon fodder 3s act better than the 4s

[@tavianarmstrong974]

@@rushpatriot2866 zane

[@Statium409]

i like to imagine that the nameless fireteam is fireteam crimson.

[@kpmh2001]

makes sense.

[@ThatOneGuy-iv9sn]

Yup

[@tristanbackup2536]

Thier are offical megablock toys of em.

[@PackHunter117]

Tristan Backup That’s true. There’s official figure sets of each fireteam

[@IamCanadian3333]

It's funny because I made my "Crimson-Leader" Spartan wear the GenII Mark VI armor (ie. the one you get from beating Halo 4 on Legendary, including the visor), in dark red armor (because if you're fireteam is named after a colour, than obviously you should use that colour :P ), and one of Mega Bloks Crimson members does wear this armor, so that was kind of a "yay me" moment for me. Sadly, the Crimson Emblem that Mega Bloks and Halo 5 uses for Crimson is not actually available in Halo 4 (I just used the "117" one you get from beating Halo 4 on Legendary along with the aforementioned armor).

[@qwefhj3011]

Halsey: First, we taught them how to be silent. Then we taught them how to be Spartan. Halsey savage confirmed

[@Scream_Lord]

Orion-IIs would seem the most fitting to me. As the original Orion Project volunteers were also consenting adults and the research and breakthroughs from that project was the basis for the Spartan Program which was why they were called Spartan-IIs and IIIs as a respectful nod toward them. SO, sense the IVs are also consenting adults and the augmentation technology is originally derived from the Orion Project, Orion-IIs or Orion-IVs makes the most sense.

[@bombomos]

That makes alot of sense. I like this idea

[@LieutenantSilver]

I like it too. Orion-IVs sounds best because it acknowledges the level of technological development while still recognizing the difference. I get that the UNSC wanted to exploit the PR-boost that came from the Spartan-name but you can also justify reverting to Orion with military respect. According to Mah Boi Zack from the Comics Matter, one of the most striking qualities of U.S. Marines he met was humility. When they were tasked with cleaning up, the buck wasn't passed to the least of the team but instead they all did it together to efficiently finish their duties ASAP and without any rank-pulling shenanigans because at their level of performance they all become intricately familiar with their ultimate fragility as human beings. So that writing would be true to life.

[@thatoneguy9291]

Orion IV: spartan II’s were originally called Orion II’s, I think

[@phatdog]

It does sound good but that would mean ONI would have to admit that THEY were the ones that technically started the human experiment program that Halsey later adapted into the Spartan 2 & 3 program, which they would never admit because they want to use Halsey as their scapegoat hence the reason for the name change in the first place lol. But it would make more sense since the Spartan program is Halsey’s and the Orion program is Oni and I’m pretty sure Halsey had nothing to do with spartan 4’s

[@suetekh1201]

Actually while the Orion project was the grandfather of the Spartan II and III projects the Spartan II's and III's were called such as a nod to the original ancient Spartans, due to the fact that they were taken at a young age to begin training and indoctrination. That was even explained in the books. So technically you would call the IV's Orion II's not Orion IV's.

[@isaiahdobesh5109]

“Need to line up a damn good fu-“

[@TheSnowshreader]

That was fire!

[@princesuperboi]

this needs way more likes. hot damn!

[@DigitalDNA]

He ain't wrong.

[@ceddosamurai]

I would.

[@kpmh2001]

I'm so used to hearing him speaking professionally and clearly and then I just got hit with that.

[@RangerHouston]

The Spartans in Halo 4&5 feel like their moments away from doing the fuckin' fortnight floss dance.

[@b4nd1tk1n6]

I finally killed a elite! Electic boogy time

[@TheonlyWelc0mematt]

I just ram them with a ghost

[@commondirtbagz7130]

@@b4nd1tk1n6 oh yeahhh victory royale! *dances vigorously*

[@Sikorsky1111]

They're like the Halo version of Red vs Blue if you really think about it.

[@OrangeSolaire]

Serving soldier here. I have to thank you for your video, as it helped elucidate the game with a bit of realism. You are absolutely correct in your criticisms of the Spartan IVs with regards to their behavior on the battlefield. Acting recklessly during combat and treating your peers with scorn is, while realistic for run of the mill infantry in some cases, not acceptable for special forces operators, full stop. I haven't played Halo 4 much since becoming a soldier, and so I never saw the cutscenes through the lens of my military experiences, but now I see more detail than I previously did. You have done a service to the gaming community by explaining so well how a professional soldier should behave.

[@enclavesoldier769]

Fuck off, soldiers aren't uptight bitches that work the work all the time. Good soldiers know the time and place and are human by doing retarded shit. The "real soldier" thing is also cringy as fuck.

[@0121D0ONE]

@@enclavesoldier769 Can Confirm.

[@derekmensch3601]

@@enclavesoldier769 same with Marines we fuck around all the time especially when we are just around each other. But when it comes down to it. We do our jobs well.

[@BlackEpyon]

@@derekmensch3601 So you're the 9-5 soldiers?

[@derekmensch3601]

@@BlackEpyon yes, we are infact human. Most are when you are off duty or even on duty but not doing anything. And we aren't soldiers.

[@awesomehpt8938]

When everybody is special no one is

[@Jellycat-art]

Harry Tinsley calm down there syndrome lol

[@justchilling704]

Jarod Nguyen Lol

[@billclark5055]

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

[@blank8197]

@@billclark5055 I like the idea of spartan 4s, too. Because that’s what Spartans basically are like in the movie 300. They were trained in battle to be well close to a super soldier rather than being adopted in childhood and ejected with things that make them stronger. I never liked the brainwash thing from the start anyway even though I do like the older spartan gen armors more

[@andrewkuebler4335]

As I am listening to the audiobook "The Rubicon Protocol", I can assure you the depiction of the Spartan IVs is IMMENSELY better in that book. Exactly what you might imagine Spartain IVs to be like; proud, calm, collected warriors that represent the best of the UNSC, but as they grew up human, they are immensely better psychologically capable of relating to and bonding with regular soldiers. While not the unreal legends of Blue team and the spartan 2s, they are still viewed by their peers as demigods, and they bring hope and courage to the soldiers they meet. They are capable of more than any other soldiers, and they are above all else determined to win. The Master Chief is even noted for saying that while the Spartan IVs don't have training quite on par with the spartan IIs, they more than make up for it with tenacity, technology, and comradery. It is clear in the book that they are truly spartans of the future. I wish we could have seen them. Many of the dead spartans in Infinite are featured in the book.

[@Litany_of_Fury]

Seems like they were surpassed by ODST in effect and role.

[@nuclearjanitors]

ODSTs are fucking awesome, fuck sPaRtAn iVs

[@theAverageJoe25]

nuclearjanitors Spartan 4s largely are ODST you dolt

[@chickenmonger123]

друг They where ODSTs by and large. I think it’s a mostly a portrayal issue. We loved ODSTs as the finest regular soldiers we could field. And then we made it so they could actually match the effectiveness of Spartan II’s in the old armors. Gave em the title of Spartans. And then they where portrayed as frat bro’s. If they had the attitudes of Humanities finest regular human’s shown in the ODSTs portrayals, with the capabilities of Spartan augmentation you should have a damn fine group of individuals. Proud and ready to get to work and do what they’ve always done except better, that’d be the type I’d respect..But we didn’t.

[@nuclearjanitors]

@@chickenmonger123 ODSTs were absolutely not "regulars"...They are SOC light infantry.

[@antoine121]

I think the Dialogue was just bad.

[@deanwalker3956]

And they called Spartan IIIs "disposable".

[@glowhoo9226]

The only thing that makes the spartan 3’s inferior is that most of them were outfitted with inferior armor, save for exceptions like noble team. This came down to the budget though. It wasn’t much of a problem with the the previous Spartans, but now that the procedures were safer, more children survived them and became Spartans. So they had to spend more on armor.

[@copperpepper5353]

I’ve seen more Spartan 4s die then 3s.

[@zonnodon163]

Shiiiit

[@nkohler5601]

​@@copperpepper5353 we have also seen more 4s then 3s on screen. In their first book 'ghost of onyx' it was stated that the first class of 3s, all 300 of them, died on their first mission. A mission with a 0% survival ratio and as such no plan for extraction. The second class of 300 was better but 90% still died only after a few missions. The 3s had a special detachment called 'headhunter' made up of 3s that survived 2 such missions and as such were given more care... if only by a small margin. The 3rd class was made up of ?315? but most of them were deployed off planet at the beginning of their book with only a few dozen on their training world of Onyx and they are the primary ones talked about. It's not that more 4s have died then 3s, its just that when it was that Bungy did different things with them and 343 only seems to only care about the games and generality then the detail work. That is not an excuse, Del Rio was stated in the books to be as much a political appontie to command in UNSC Infinity as anything else and he only treated the 4s in the same manner as the ODST. And the 4s act it. The 4s are, to use the trope, an average size fish in a small pond while the 2s were made to last and the 3s were to die in a blaze of glory.

[@deanwalker3956]

@EPHRAIM HERNANDEZ Except there are almost no battles like that anymore. The war is over, remember?

[@thelegendarysupersquid7556]

I like the idea of less professional Spartans. It makes up for their numbers, and their incompetence means that humanity still needs the Chief. It shows that the IVs aren't a replacement for the previous gens. They're a bandage made try and ethically and cheaply fill the void left after Reach. They're meant to be incompetent. They're not meant to be better than the previous gens. They're meant to be cheaper, and to boost morale among civilians and other military elements. They exist to fail so Chief can look better.

[@ashishshenoy3778]

yes maybe this makes sense for hyping Chief up but it makes no sense to me that a military branch is gonna spend big money on weapons (spartans) that are not fully lethal and reliable and long lasting. When you send soldiers and weapons systems to the battlefield, you cant afford to have any of them be incompetent, you know? It would sit with me better if the IVs were designed to fulfill a different role than IIs, one that doesn't require them to be enhanced emotionless supersoldiers taking on impossible possibly suicidal and species-saving missions. That's probably what you were getting at, but i dont like the idea that IVs were or should be designed to "fail". If the IV's were indeed designed to replace (lore-wise) the IIs, then the IVs should definitely not be written as incompetent.

[@elijahwillardson7371]

I like it only if 343 leans in/acknowledges that. But them pushing Spartan IVs as if they're perfect is really annoying

[@Vennant]

I agree, maybe they should adjust the psychological evaluation of Spartan IV program candidates, but otherwise it might be better choice over older versions. It's similar to difference between Sherman and Tiger tanks. Sure tiger is a better tank, but it's way too difficult to manufacture where as you can quite easily make thousands of shermans to replace your losses, and they are still capable of going against tigers when used properly. Spartan IV's are simply better choice for UNSC long term. Of course ideally they should also have II's the III's available when the situation calls for it.

[@twohorsesinamancostume7606]

That literally makes absolutely no sense. You don't waste massive amounts of resources on supposedly elite troops just to make someone who is MIA look better. When your elite troops are bumbling morons who constantly make themselves look stupid that doesn't boost morale. The exact opposite actually.

[@thelegendarysupersquid7556]

@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 I meant from a story telling perspective. Of course the UNSC wouldn't waste the resources to make a spartan that they knew would be incompetent. But from an out of universe perspective it makes sense to have them there to still be a capable fighting force but not a replacement.

[@blindvalkyrie9352]

I think tripping on a treadmill is a good reaction to seeing THE Master Chief

[@PrettyDamnDandy]

Honestly, that comment felt nitpicky as all hell to me

[@Kakuretaka]

@@PrettyDamnDandy Disagree, If I saw a hero of mine you can be damn sure I wouldn't trip, I'd want to impress them I'd not only turn up the speed but I'd salute to. I'd prove to that legend I was worthy of the mantle of Spartan the SIVs are not

[@FarAtmosphere]

@@Kakuretaka seeing a war hero show up out of no where would surprise many people, losing concentration and footing leading to that spartan tripping a bit.

[@Frostyman452]

@@Kakuretaka You’d make an active effort to, but if you’re anything like the majority of people on the internet, you would fail, miserably and somehow make an even bigger fool of yourself.

[@Bastyxx227]

@@Frostyman452 well, they are supposed to be spartans, with spartan augmentations and reflexes, not a regular soldier or folk in the internet

[@darkguardian1314]

Spartan IV don’t like to wear their helmets. They need to wear their helmets at all times. I blame Palmer for allowing them to be this relaxed, Spartan II should have been in direct charge. Worst case a Spartan III...

[@glowhoo9226]

Blame the unsc for that. IV’s are adults by the time they become Spartans, therefore their personalities have already developed and are less likely to change. Look at Locke for example, he was a hitman for ONI, so he’s serious, but he isn’t bland and boring like chief. Buck was an ODST so he knows how to be professional, but he uses his humor to make situations less tense and help him keep calm. Any psychologist can tell you humor in tense situations can actually be helpful. The spartan IV’s are supposed to be inferior to previous generations. It’s the whole reason Halsey was branded a criminal. She kidnapped kids and turned them into soldiers, making them fight each other and only the strongest the soldiers survived. It created superior soldiers, (which were originally made to combat terrorists and rebellion) but it robbed families of their real children, and these kidnapped kids were brainwashed into loving Halsey and viewing her as a mother.

[@Phantom6.6.6]

@@glowhoo9226 oni kidnapped the children and hired Halsey to make the various implants and genetic modifications while also raising them and helping to teach them. Halsey was just used as a patsy a fall guy by oni so that they weren't entirely disbanded by the unsc high command

[@takenking2925]

Master chief needs to train every spartan

[@crazyscotsman9327]

@@takenking2925 While I agree the Master Chief should be the one to assess those looking to become Spartans, it's below his paygrade. The man should be in charge of the entire Spartan branch and calling the shots.

[@montebarnes3021]

Spartan 3s were in charge. Jun helped train them

[@theblueneko677]

"All she needs to line her out is a damn good fu". Made me spit out my drink.

[@adrianrichards26]

No one disrespected my mans master chief when he was walking through the ship at the end of 4.

[@addisonwelsh]

No one ever disrespected him, Halo fans are just crybabies.

[@lv7_p1kachu]

@@addisonwelsh the covenant tried it. Hell, even the banished recognized chief’s status and legend during the gameplay demo.

[@JaelaOrdo]

Spartan 1s: pretty cool, Johnson was one, they didn’t really get any cool armor though so eh, 6/10 Spartan 2s: godlike beings, had the best armor, best weapons, best training. Ate grunts for breakfast and washed them down with elite blood. Never died, they just went missing in action. 10/10 Spartan 3s: pretty sweet, using orphans was admittedly a genius if a bit unethical idea, SPI armor was cool but couldn’t touch Mjlonir. Most of them died though cause they weren’t used properly. 8/10 Spartan 4s: Cocky, arrogant douchebags, undeserved sense of accomplishment. What is that Gen2 armor, it looks like cheap plastic shit. Overall about as useful as a marine driving a warthog. 0/10

[@VV-nw3lz]

Jaela Aurelius More like as useful as Kat driving a warthog.

[@theAverageJoe25]

Jaela Aurelius want some cheese with that whine? 4s are veteran ODSTs, ARMY special forces or 3’s

[@Modelstl063]

Jaela Aurelius Spartan 3s we’re actually used correctly. They were created to be suicide soldiers. To buy the UNSC and humanity time. Which they did.

[@matthewdominguez4350]

Personally I don’t believe that the spartan 3 program was as unethical as kidnapping 6 year olds to make the 2’s. The 3’s were orphaned from the human covenant war and mostly joined willingly

[@Ghost7065]

spartan 1 are 8/10, 3s 9/10 and the 2 are 11/10

[@rodrigorubio8545]

I think the IVs should be called Orions, in homage to the Orion program, which goal was to turn, adult soldiers, into super soldiers. It would make more sense, and it would be a cool name to honor the first step into the spartan program.

[@clonetf141]

Every single spartan: picks up alien weapons and kills more aliens with it because they ran out if ammo Spartan 4s: play with alien gear like a toddker would with his new toys on christmas

[@mark1A100]

I don't know man whenever I pick up an energy sword in the campaign I never once stopped and thought is this an optimal weapon for engaging my target. I would go woohoo grab it and never look back

[@alexisbaz8746]

@@mark1A100 I'feel the same xd, I just can't leave the energy sword is so cool, and when I really need to do that I'grab the Sword when I'don't need the other weapon anymore, i always end up searching and telling "where is my sword?, there is!"

[@devastater97]

What they're doing is something that happens in literally every war, taking the spoils of battle, they're just doing what that very same Elite did to the Humans it killed, looting objects as souvenirs

[@ho213]

@@mark1A100 I make sacrifice because it'll serve me better later on

[@TCRP117]

Also, eggheads, eggheads, eggheads. ‘All these science nerds on this space ship fixing my power armour, giving me super powers. Who needs them?’ - Spartan 4 Command

[@cheeseballgooberpants3591]

TCRP117 Yeah diss the people who literally keeps you a bit farther from death, reason I said a bit is because with that attitude he/she is gonna get cocky and get themselves killed.

[@holdguard4624]

Do you really think the same scientists aboard the Infinity - who want to study ancient forerunner tech partially because they majored in the fields of alien technology - are the same scientists who designed the physical and mental enhancements for the SPARTAN-IV's because THEY majored in biotech and human enhancement? Two completely different specialties, two completely different types of scientists. For all we know, the SPARTAN-IV's actually respect and praise the scientists who gave them their enhancements but they just find the scientists on the Infinity annoying. Think twice or put some logic into your comment before you post it.

[@holdguard4624]

@Zweigling Indeed. TCRP117 and Cheeseball Gooberpants are not very bright.

[@Nyx_2142]

@@holdguard4624 Yes. Because its not like the people who created their armor or enhancements would need to be on the Infinity to monitor them or repair/upgrade the armor. You are such a fucking tard. The irony of you telling someone else think twice after spewing some bullshit you clearly didn't think about.

[@WalrusWinking]

Lmao they're just Marines without their armor. Except Marines respect the MC.

[@jawerho]

"Gave Locke the depth of a spoon!" Laughed way too hard at that. Good writing brother.

[@Nonamearisto]

More like, gave Locke the depth of a piece of paper laid flat on a table.

[@edg4rallanbro753]

I can't help but feel like Spartan 4's acting like frat dudes is intentional. They weren't raised and trained in wartime conditions and more likely just amped by the legacy of the Spartans and thus don't carry the proper respect for the job. Marines in Halo are very happy-go-lucky, so it doesn't really surprise me how careless they are. Hopefully we see how this gets shaped in Infinity, I think a galactic catastrophe would make the 4s respect their job more. Halsey talking about how Gabe(?) was the only one fitting for a Spartan makes me think 343 is at least a little aware of this.

[@starhammer5247]

They all went through the Human-Covenant war. It was only four years after the events of four, so you'd expect them to at least have some level of professionalism.

[@James_Mode]

@@starhammer5247 but at the same time post war, especially one so significant as the. Human-Covenant war leads people to be a lot more party like, to relax as much as they can thinking that relatively, everything is peaceful.

[@starhammer5247]

@@James_Mode Maybe but you'd expect the veterans and the best of the best to at least have some form of trauma from seeing what the Covenant can do and would apply that to the enemies they're currently facing. Even then it would be smarter to keep in combat formation and not do stupid shit like these guys tend to do. Not even a vet in peacetime would do that shit in an active combat zone.

[@DerDrecksack87]

@@starhammer5247 the war lasted for 28 years, so most of them went trough rough times for years, so war becomes the daily routine and most wartime generations kinda get numb to it (just look at current warzones) Also you actually play together with Buck in Halo ODST, back when he was a jumper, it is set during Halo 3 when the Covenant attacks earth.

[@starhammer5247]

@@DerDrecksack87 And he played by the book. He wasn't stupid.

[@cornflakesandmilk8157]

They're basically Marines with Shields.

[@michaelfilias4691]

Wrong they’re a lot more than that... lol

[@Khronik_]

Michael Filias no they are basically just that there is nothing special about them they’re just shielded meat shields

[@seemslegit6203]

They are basically just marines on steroids wearing power armor. Callimg them glorified ODSTs is an insult to actual ODSTs

[@HolyknightVader999]

@LOAN NGUYEN Not even. The ODSTs were more professional, barring Romeo.

[@Xfaction1111]

The easiest way to make Palmer an awesome character is to have her say “Master Chief” with a respectable nod to Chief and thennnnnnn as Chief is shedding his armor and Palmer is an established and proven character have her make the I thought you’d be taller statement. You can Raz a friend but you need that mutual respect. Otherwise it comes off as a slight.

[@robertherek4020]

I kind of saw her comment in a different light. Master Chief is a " living legend ". He is the story the troops get told to motivate, and enemy's tell in hushed tones as the nightmare they fear. He comment " I thought you'd be" to me is more of a way of saying the old story of the bad ass being talked about like they are 10 foot tall and bullet proof. Or meeting the bad ass legend who's reputation makes him sound like superman

[@cringekiller348]

@Robert Herek The real superman got clapped by batman.

[@AS-fp4gb]

She wants to smash and was trying to establish banter. The way she looks him up and down.

[@SpartanFlyboy]

Give me boomer Spartans any day

[@judaychop]

IKnowMyWorldWars ik its a joke and im not the type to stereotype generations anyway but ill be the turd to point out that Halo takes place 500 years in the future. But i agree, Slls are the best.

[@glowhoo9226]

Chief is a boomer spartan, and he’s got no fucking personality at all. I honestly hate hearing him talk because it’s always the same thing. At least with people like buck and Locke we get some damn personality. Though I’m not hating on it because spartan 2’s are extremely indoctrinated to be serious. They make it a point to explain that children are easier to indoctrinate than adults, hence why the spartan IV’s don’t act like the other generations

[@isaachinds3736]

@@glowhoo9226 Locke with personality? Nani

[@khenudae1158]

Justsome Honeybear chief has a personality, read the comics, books and watch the fall of reach and halo legends if you want to understand why chief acts the way he does. My guy john is an absolute legend

[@pododododoehoh3550]

@@glowhoo9226 Chief has tonnes of personality, his general silence shows his personality. Hes calm, methodical and speaks through his actions. So when he does speak your left hanging on his words.

[@waltera3628]

I’d much rather see a spartan III reboot, than this Spartan IV abomination.

[@miekelei2761]

walter a Gamma company is still somewhere ...

[@gregmattes2119]

How dope would an odst style game with a spartan 3 in SPI armor be?

[@harveyquinn3535]

I like the idea of anybody can be a spartan, I just feel like everyone hates spartan 4s just cus of how bad the writing is.

[@gregmattes2119]

@@harveyquinn3535 in my opinion, the “anyone can be a spartan” kind of takes away their mystique to me, especially when spartans that not everyone can be exist in halo.

[@harveyquinn3535]

@@gregmattes2119 yeah but 100 plus spartan 4s are more effective than 1 spartan 2

[@MUJUNKY]

Spartan II's to Spartan IV's reminds me of something I heard on the Hazard Ground podcast numerous times. They have a ton of special operations guys, Army Rangers, Seals, Delta, MARSOC, Raiders, etc. come on the show And most guys that were familiar with selection for Delta said something along the lines of "We had some truly excellent guys get sent. Peak physical, smart, good soldiers, but loud, braggerts, arrogant. They never got selected. The silent, cautious, polite ones that may not have been greek gods, or the best shot, didn't come back to our unit.". That really seems to be the distinction between the Spartans.

[@Chernochegger]

If the flood assimilated the entire galaxy, could the precusers be reborn from the collective intelligence of all beings

[@Phantom6.6.6]

Actually there is a theory that each time a key mind is formed the flood regains a part of its ancient power like when they shut down all the precursor tech the forruners had salvaged

[@rajendrashetti2363]

The Flood are a corrupted version of the Precursors. For all its worth, the Precursors may not be biological or even mechanical beings at all. They could literally take any form or shape if so they desired. The Flood is just an ironically crude version of a 'cleaning agent' they employed to assimilate all sentient life in the galaxy. Maybe when it is all over, sentient life starts again under their care.

[@kronos48221]

I like the idea of referring to the Spartan Corp as "Hoplite's", with a elite group called Spartan's. Like the headhunters of the Spartan III's.

[@qualitylawncare819]

Corps* Hoplites* An* Spartans*

[@BlackEpyon]

Calling them "hoplites" would just make the S-IV's seem like meatshields for the REAL Spartans.

[@justchilling704]

kronos48221 Nah, despite common myth, the ancient Spartans weren’t all that special.

[@rajendrashetti2363]

Yeah, good luck convincing that Hardcore veteran ODST that he'd be called a 'Hoplite' once he goes through all that training and augs...

[@justchilling704]

Rajendra Shetti Exactly

[@slaytonrevelation7693]

I actually *like* the dynamic that there is a newer generation of Spartans that can't hold up with the previous generations and are soft from peace.

[@bruhbruh13968]

When you put it like that it makes sence because irl peace time troops are shitbags because they have never had to do some real shit so they never take anything serious until life comes at them fast and they will be mentally overwhelmed and crumble

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

Soft from peace? The war has been over for like 4 years. They where all alive during the war, and most actually fought in it.

[@Callsign_Bear]

Soft from peace? Each and every single Spartan IV fought in the Human-Covanent War. The war had only been over for 4 years, with them still taking on many remnant factions. They weren't soft, they were different than the faceless, emotionless super soldier we're all used too.

[@nonethelessfirst8519]

@@Callsign_Bear and that made you feel accepted didnt it.

[@Callsign_Bear]

@@nonethelessfirst8519 What? The fuck does that even mean?

[@0121D0ONE]

I think 343i have done a fantastic job at showing off the IVs. Hear me out. I believe that they did this on purpose. To give off that "they don't make them like they used to anymore" vibe. They are augmented marines and ODSTs that volunteered for the Spartan Branch. They are amped up and their role model was the chief. To see them stop what they are doing to watch this Legendary Titan walk past them just shows that no matter how much they do, by being a professional Spartan or making shoddy mistakes, they would NEVER amount to the level that Gen IIs are at. No matter how much they ascend to become super soldier, they are nothing in the presence of a Giant. A Giant that played a crucial role in Humanity's fight for Survival.

[@warcrimes390]

Maybe, if that was their intention

[@thaneros]

@@warcrimes390 it was done on purpose.....Cortana and Halsey point this out in Halo 5. I guess people don't pay attention.

[@alizaidi2893]

@@thaneros doesn't matter they're still written as being completely unlikable,

[@thaneros]

@@alizaidi2893 Subjectively

[@alizaidi2893]

@@thaneros objectively, just because a minority of fan boys who love anything halo defend them doesn't change the fact that they tried and failed to center the main games around them. They're shitty written characters

[@angus57720]

Here's what the II's and III's have that the IV's don't: Professionalism and Discipline.

[@cheeseballgooberpants3591]

Ryan McCallum Honestly true Also while I’m here is it sad how spartan assault portrays Spartan Palmer better than the halo 4/5 and spinoff showing that lousy attitude spartan better than the actual game, but I digress

[@blaketfg9374]

Jorge(a spartan 2) and the rest of echo team(spartan 3s) take their helmets off in combat zones. Chief used to take his helmet off in combat zones shown in the comics. All spartans do it

[@gregmattes2119]

I still like to think spartans are usually reluctant to take their helmets, especially more experienced ones like Noble 6, Emile, and chief Having spent so much time in their armor they eventually begin to feel almost naked when they’re not in it. If you look at the timeline of halo reach, the campaign takes place over a month. Many missions probably carrying similar lengths of time

[@starhammer5247]

The difference is that Jorge was about to die, Echo likely had their reasons, and none of them fucked around when they just finished fighting an enemy.

[@Reegor]

Not in combat zones. Established bases are one thing, or anything considered a “safe zone” even though you are aware your actively in combat. Like in the long sword after halo ce when he takes it off at the end of the game. Also in the books when chief observed the behavior he’d note that wasn’t acceptable. In ghosts of onyx it mentions the IIIs had a bad habit of taking their helmets off when they weren’t supposed too. Like someone else mentioned Jorge was gonna unalive himself so what did it matter

[@blaketfg9374]

@@Reegor any place designated for war is a combat zone even if there are areas that one can take a breath. All of reach was designated as a combat zone. But you're right Master Chief is much more mature than the newer spartans however there is a lot to mention. Master Chief used to be really childish and sometimes still is. Remember him scaring a grunt by saying "boo" he had no reason to do that other than to entertain himself. He also does what he wants even if it's against orders and you can say well he does what he wants because it is what should be done or because it's the smarter move, well it's not. Dr. Halsey said it herself Chief isn't the smartest spartan, the strongest spartan, or the fastest but he is the luckiest spartan. I would honestly just chalk it up to him being immature when he was younger, and obviously the newer spartans are younger so they are going through the same immaturity phase, but has matured much more because he has had the most time to. Even Spartan 2s of halo wars were immature. If you are fighting wars all the time usually the best way to keep morale up is to have a sense of humor. That being said you are right chief is definitely best with his behaviors and I think they probably made spartan 4s just because they wanted more super soldiers and didn't do the proper screening or training. And to give echo the benefit of the doubt they did not know how gone to shit reach was going to get, they only took their helmets off after clearing a building before they knew all of reach was invaded

[@Reegor]

@@blaketfg9374 yes I understand a combat zone, that’s what I said any established base or safe zone even if your actively in combat. Just like all of halo was a combat zone but when they had taken the butte, master chief didn’t even have is mjolnir armor on when he want to talk to Silva. Because they’d taken the butte back and established it as alpha base, or a safe zone. I remember chief getting tossed from the gravemind right into a hot zone with the prophet and brutes all in a closed room then him landing in front of a grunt, which yea he said boo and scared him. Maybe he should have been more tactical…. Interesting example I guess… As far as chief doing what he wants it’s because he has tactical command once he hits the ground. As long as the mission assigned gets completed, once chief hits the ground he’s in charge of everything and everyone unless he runs into an officer in charge of another squad. Which means he does what he wants because that’s the point of his rank…. I’ll give you the comment about those wash outs that are red team in halo wars I guess? As far as chief being the “best behaved” it’s not because he wants to. He’s squad commander of all the spartan 2s. He was taught to not join in,to separate himself and no show emotion so as to maintain respect among his “subordinates”. Really behavioral examples you’re mentioning Really have nothing to do with the simple disciplines of combat that had been beat into all of their heads in a very brutal fashion. Don’t take your helmet off in a active combat zone.

[@DeltaTwoNine]

Shame halo drifted away from the “Military" in the "military sci-fi" genre halo combat evolved marines were more competent then the Spartan 4s.

[@Swordsman99k]

They wanted to emmulate the Space Marine vibe with the S-IVs. Even though there's literal space marines in the game....

[@midtown3221]

The augmentation is great to have, but they're just souped up grunts. They aren't real Spartans. Just call'em Vanguards. "...and I sometimes wonder perhaps all she needs to lighten up is a damn good fu-"

[@WolfeSaber9933]

The stupids are vanguards, the greatest are Spartans.

[@rock3793]

They're veteran marines and ODST's.

[@kolinmartz]

She’s just a bitter old control freak that’s upset that someone did her job better h Th an her and she has no input in the creation of spartan 4s. She’s even slightly pissed that spartan 3s don’t see her as their mother like the spartan 2s do.

[@UGNAvalon]

Kolin martz are you talking about Palmer or Halsey?

[@dustindubbo2892]

She’s bitter not because they are using her resource without her consent maybe a little, bit they have the audacity to pin all the blame and laws the Spartan program broke all on her. Not to mention continuing the program that she created with not just the Spartans but also mjolnir. They are using her as a scapegoat which is why she is pissed at them, and that the whole idea of her Spartans being humanity’s best soldiers sorta goes down the shit by the attitude of the 4s.

[@deadlyundead]

I think you misunderstood what Locke was saying when he said "You're not the only one here because of him." The John or S117 was a symbol of humanity and more than likely inspired many of the Spartan 4's to volunteer for the Spartan program.

[@solowingborders3239]

15:42 I caught that mate, I wonder if De Marco would volunteer for that.

[@jannegrey593]

For good of human kind, I would do that too. Except I don't have as much problem with Palmer as others since I don't play Multiplayer. But it was a great line.

[@LuoSon312_G8]

Too late ya. Me thinks Lasky already knocked her down a peg after spartan ops, after her circus act.

[@XBLNamjah]

While I agree with all the points you mentioned, there is one that I feel should have also been mentioned that gives context (but still doesn't excuse) to the S-IV's behavior. I don't doubt the S-IV's training, nor their worth as super soldiers as we have clearly seen that they are capable of great feats. However, I believe that their lack of discipline stems from the fact that, compared to the II's and III's at least, there is no real threat to Humanity when they are introduced. They are machines of war in a time of peace. The II's and III's were pushed to the brink along with Humanity and every fight was to the death. And while the common impression of a "true Spartan" is one that is disciplined and focused, they are still human. There are plenty of Spartans who have made wisecracks, shown overconfidence, or otherwise just been very vocal. Emile and Johnson come to mind. But take Emile out of context and place him in a time of relative peace, much like what the IV's have experienced. How does his behavior come across then? The II's and III's were regarded as badasses and heroes because they overcame insurmountable odds against a ruthless foe. And sometimes they didn't survive. The stakes were always high. This is likely why Chief at the end of Halo 4 garnered so much attention from the other Spartans. No doubt all of them have heard of their Legendary feats and accomplishments, but for them to see it in person? The man before them had single-handedly stopped the Didact from composing Earth and lived to tell the tale. Meanwhile, what threats do the IV's face? They have received the most advanced technology the UNSC has to offer. They have been trained by Spartans. And what do they fight? Robots and remnants of a faction that, at its greatest, couldn't take down a weaker version of Humanity. The IV's constantly let their guard down, are overconfident, and display generally sloppy behavior because they have nothing to lose. You mentioned it briefly, but given how the end of Halo 5 gave rise to another great threat to Humanity, Infinite will truly test the new generation of Spartans and give them a chance to earn the name.

[@RebelOfTheNorm242]

XBLNamjah that second to last paragraph is exactly how I always felt about that scene. The 4s were pulled away from their first chance to actually make a difference, when the infinity left Requiem. Then they had to watch while the Chief saved Earth without them...just to see him come walking down their training room with a nonchalant walk....they were star struck ASWELL as basically feeling small in the light of witnessing first hand, what they have to live up to

[@Alexr-gl9gv]

Well said

[@judaychop]

XBLNamjah while i agree with most of what you said, that doesn’t explain the extreme immaturity and recklessness of the SlVs in those cutscenes, the SlVs are my least favorite too but i still recognize that those cutscenes were a poorly written representation of them, theyre still soldiers that are sought out because theyre the best, then given the choice to become spartans. They should still be good professional soldiers even if theyre not the hardened super soldiers the Slls were.

[@FireSurge]

I can only hope this is the angle that 343 uses in the future Halo games when it comes to the IVs.

[@MuShinnen]

A lot of people highlight what the spartan II's and III's have done as remarkable, and I can't argue it is. However, take into account where the IV's are coming from. They are handpicked from the best soldiers among the ODST (already considered elites), and other branches. That means in all likelihood as we've already seen many of the IV's probably fought in the same battles as the Spartans. They had to survive those insane odds as base level humans with inferior armor. That's impressive, and a lot of people seem to forget that. These guys will have seen their squad mates, their brothers die. They will have seen a great many other horrors that war brings, and to be able to get through that would accumulate mental toughness. None of this is portrayed by Majestic, but that doesn't mean people should discount every other spartan IV as if they will be the same. Majestic is depicted as a group of fresh faced soldiers on their first tour of duty, and that's not remotely accurate to what a IV would be when battle experience, training, and augmentation are taken into account. You'd see a lot more IV's with an attitude similar to Loche's vs the childish attitude that we actually had due to sloppy writing, and awful, overused cliches.

[@andrewjohnson6768]

*talking about Sarah palmer* “sometimes I wonder if all she needs to lighten up is a damn good fu-“ literally sent me 😂

[@ssr9638]

Just got to that part and holy fk I just started laughing and wondering if I heard that right 😂

[@sigmapopsical272]

Also... How the hell did majestic make it through training...... Lol

[@crimsonking4151]

There are a few jackasses and block heads sprinkled around the special ops community but the three qualitys the get them through is exceptional strength and endurance, strong commitment, and they generally prove to be very selfless individuals during selection.

[@DeadSpaceWing]

Or Fireteam Crimson cleaned up after them....again.

[@Nyx_2142]

@@crimsonking4151 If you got caught disobeying orders and running out of cover like the fuck stick did in the real military, any officer within a 5 mile radius minimum would shitcan your ass before you could blink. And that type of behavior would've shown itself well before you joined any special forces group and prevented you from getting into one.

[@SakaraCoyfox]

They graduated so they could be put in the super special secret platoon where all the super secret special soldiers graduate into for super special secret missions, in which the jackasses are sent to "make a wondrous mess of things" create a distraction die while the ODSTs do the the real job xD

[@jaredpyle3425]

Locke’s response to buck, is easily misunderstood, but what I get out of it is that Locke regrets having to hunt down the savior of humanity and he’s going to do it because it needs to be done.

[@mederichebert]

I thought the same thing as you. When Locke says "you're not the only one here because of him." It could also very well mean that they both chose to become Spartans because they were inspired by the Master Chief.

[@jaredpyle3425]

Médéric Hébert the problem is, they left it too open to interpretation

[@tallonmetroids271]

Personally, as prior military and a Star Wars fan, I absolutely cackled at the "I thought you'd be taller" jab. I honestly love the fact that she was giving a little ironic humor to John. I know if I met the CO of another unit and they cracked a joke like that, I'd like em immediately, as a person. There's always room for humor on the job, even when you're in the shit. Especially in the shit. Sometimes, it's really the only thing that can keep you going. We've also got to remember that Palmer was an ODST before becoming a Spartan IV. We all know how ODST's though of the Spartan II's, and especially John. I wouldn't be surprised if she was keeping her "taller" jab for if/when she met him. Other than all that, yeah, the IV's weren't my faves with dialogue. It was a change from the usually stoic and semi-nonverbal Spartan II's, and aside from Palmer's friendly jab, I can agree it wasn't a great change.

[@manywinters]

agreed

[@ianbirge8269]

The conversations and banter while in a non-hostile environment was fine by me. It's the rookie mistakes they make when in combat that made them out to be second-rate.

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

>ones Ogs got badasses like johnson >twos Huge over reaction to a terrorist attack of child abductions turned super soldiers >threes Iron blooded orphans raised by a mythical father figure >fours Jobber power rangers

[@relativity694]

I think it would be really cool if in Halo Infinite, they have a side story where your multiplayer Spartan is the main character, like in Halo Reach. Maybe add other characters like Buck, maybe some new ones.

[@PositiviteaTheFirst]

Yes

[@maninthedark99]

That was the intent with the Academy storyline in the multiplayer mode, till 343 scrapped it in season 4.

[@lilosnitch3247]

Spartan IIs "U can never outdo us" Spartan IVs "Ok boomer"

[@Delta-un5tr]

And then all the Spartan IV's died The end

[@z-man1237]

Orbital Spark WHOOHOO

[@CedarHunt]

@@Delta-un5tr Aww there was a happy ending after all. ❤

[@Nonamearisto]

The only place Spartan IVs outdo Spartan IIs is in the red light district of Rio de Janeiro.

[@CGFrost]

Still waiting for Spartans IVs to actually do something that's galaxy saving😳

[@ivenotwatched1episodeofnar71]

They really missed something good with palmer. As an odst she was already a fucking badass, going against a brute chieftain alone and coming out alive. For that achievement alone she was already fit to be a spartan but, the way they handled her personality was disappointing. Instead of being a mystery and only speaking when needed to they turned her into an unprofessional and insufferable character.

[@Bastyxx227]

I feel sorry for the S-IV, because they have a Karen as a boss

[@gino14]

She's a stand in for the personality of SGTMAJ Johnson as the franchise's resident loud badass. Unlike Johnson, however, she's insufferable... and _she's your boss._

[@Infantry2011]

I'm rereading the fall of reach again. This video gives me even more respect for the spartan 2's.

[@mitchell3593]

I wish had more about thier training

[@nickairsoft2922]

My take on it is that the spartan iv are supposed to be more “human”. The point of the spartan program was to take children and turn them into the ultimate fighting machines. He had much of his humanity stripped from him because of his time in training and combat. Mission first and everything else second. The IVs had relatively normal lives compared to chief. They received their training, augmentations, and equipment like a spartan but were not excessively groomed to be machines like previous spartan gens. Cortona asked chief which one of them was the machine and I think the IVs were written to drive that home. I think him finding the humanity he never had could potentially be a big plot point in infinite, realizing that he is still human and that he can’t just be a fighting machine forever.

[@Garium87]

Why does being more human equals being a frat boy? Do they represent the worst of humanity?

[@matheusrubimdepaoli5409]

@@Garium87 acting like a lot of soldiers don't act like this.... have you seen the seals? A bunch of them are assholes, they're still effective

[@starhammer5247]

@@matheusrubimdepaoli5409 But they don't break formation, don't take off their helmets in combat scenarios, don't focus on just fucking a girl when they're meant to be doing their jobs and don't do stupid shit when on deployment. That's one of the many issues people have with the fours, or at least my major issue. It's their stupidity.

[@Friedrich687]

That's not what spartans are. Spartans are disciplined, efficient, intelligent supersoldiers who are sent to do the impossible. These "Spartan" 4's shouldn't be called spartans. If they were called something else, like Installation suggests, i'd be far more acceptable. Instead, we get what is essentially a living smear campaign against the spartan program.

[@matheusrubimdepaoli5409]

@@Friedrich687 talk about being triggered about a title lol, bro calm down and stop acting dumb, it's not that serious Most of the spartan 4's are efficient, the only ones that weren't were team majestic, and you acting like all of them are like majestic shows just how much bias you have against them for no reason. Thorne is all you just a spartan should be and so are all of team osiris, you not liking the personalities of fire team osiris is irrelevant to this argument since this is about discipline, efficiency and intellingent which they tick all of the boxes, also you're ignoring all the others from books and comics Your hatred for them and your arguments to say all this just shows you don't know what you're talking about, and you're purposefully using incorrect information to support your clear bias torwards them... truly all you're doing here is throwing a tantrum over a name because one team does shit you don't like and you generalize it to act like all of them are like that. pls touch some grass

[@kukelhupf]

Spartan IV's remind me of the early episodes of RvB. Edit: Especially Caboose.

[@drowzydullahan]

I think that's probably why I actually liked the IV's. Lmfao Cause I got early RvB vibes.

[@Swordsman99k]

@@drowzydullahan They were fun because of how incompetent they all were lol

[@blaketfg9374]

Remember Master Chief likes to scare grunts by saying "boo" and he also pretty much always does things his way the way he wants, and that seems a lot like childish behavior we see with spartan 4's even spartan 3's of echo squad were childish but they still did their mission. Spartan 2's of halo wars were quirky and childish but that's just how soldiers are. Even the most deadly of special forces or navy seals laugh and act like children.

[@Sikorsky1111]

Yep,but Master Chief only goofed around like that every now and then,not every other minute like your average Spartan IV.

[@iw_legendary_sayain2215]

0:36 My blood still boils to this day whenever I see this cutscene again.

[@FarAtmosphere]

she can't joke around with chief?

[@devdream9277]

@@FarAtmosphere Spartans 4 are supposed to be focus

[@FarAtmosphere]

@@devdream9277 Palmer was just joking around with him to lighten the mood. Real world soldiers do it all the time, not sure what you're getting at

[@devdream9277]

@@FarAtmosphere Real time soldier are not spartan like they don't have advanced tech who can complety change the war if it fall in enemy hand

[@devdream9277]

@@FarAtmospherebut that's not the question i'm dumb sry

[@HaloFrostMan99]

And considering the fact that there are still roughly 11 or 12 S-lls in active service in 2557 out of the 34 from 2525, while in a smaller time frame entire companies of S-llls were lost and god know how many S-IVs were lost and they've only been active for like 3 or 4 years

[@shadowNooob]

III’s were sent on suicide missions though

[@thomas_jay]

I beg to differ on Locke. He's focused on the mission. That makes him more Spartan than any other member of the team.

[@samuelbishop3316]

The " I thought you'd be taller" wasn't that bad. It was banter. We see Palmer disobey a direct order later out of respect for chief.

[@TyrellzArt]

When was thar?

[@markss367]

@@TyrellzArt when del rio orders her to arrest the chief.

[@camfox5187]

She just wants some master meat is how it took it lol

[@markss367]

@Chin Crimson hahahaha

[@johnknoxis7916]

Yeah it’s an obvious joke. Halo fans just hate the idea of every single character not kissing Chiefs boots every time they see him

[@jaymikevillanueva1212]

Honestly I like the IVs. They have personalities and are the most human of the Spartan generations. Granted they're flawed and some are reckless but they're also new in the game. It's my hope we'll see thoughtful and ethical minded Spartans like Thorne and Vale, level headed ones like Buck, and professional hunters like Locke. It's these Spartans that are meant to carry the torch. I think the IVs are more than capable of carrying the Spartan name. They are the result of countless innovations and painful lessons gleaned from previous generations. They are the true heirs of the original Orion Program without the moral qualms that marred the IIs and IIIs and are equipped with updated tech. Also bear in mind EVERY S-IV is a combat veteran and a career soldier. They're battle hardened and are killers in their own right. The fact they survived a majority of the war without their new Spartan augmentations and Mjolnir powered armors speak well of their skills given good deal of them were special forces. Remember, ODSTs aren't the only special forces the UNSC had in its disposal. What about UNSC Army Airborne, Marine Force Recon, the Army Rangers (and Green Berets), or Navy SEALS? What about the Spetnaz or other special forces teams of other nations that still exist within Earth's regional militaries? Or even highly trained spies within ONI? All these warriors are well within their right to be called Spartans if they were chosen and accepted to be one.

[@sebanimega4189]

Agreed. Someone like Johnson is a Spartan, as much as people like to ignore that fact. S-IVs are much closer to S-Is than the S-IIs or S-IIIs could ever hope to be, and for that I appreciate them greatly.

[@InnuendoXP]

given how most of the war went, and how overwhelming the covenant were, survival of the war was more to do with right time & place than skill. As for "deserving the name of Spartan" - it's not that they aren't good soldiers, it's that "Spartan" has until now described a particular kind of soldier, with a particular set of qualities that IVs seem to not be able to be counted on to have.

[@345y5]

Quality over quantity. Mhmm.

[@rolay504]

One thing you have to consider is that they aren't facing the covenant anymore. They are not fighting a massive superpower with endless resources and a really organised command structure. They are fighting smaller fractious paramilitary forces at best.

[@starhammer5247]

But that does not give them an excuse to slack off and fuck around in an active combat zone. When in their home base or HQ, they can go ahead, but not when they just finished fighting.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

A video on spartan medicine i.e how douglas healed his augmented shoulder post atriox

[@kpmh2001]

it's the chemical composition of the shoulder that's changed the most if I'm not mistaken. I imagine the biggest problem would be setting the damn thing.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

@@kpmh2001 douglas is a spartan 2 so he has the physical carbon plates that were grafted to his bones opposed to the chemical processes of spartans 3 and 4s

[@kpmh2001]

@@hashiondiscord8540 That's a good point actually, the plates would probably have to be removed for the shoulder to heal properly, unless it was a clean snap, and given the amount of time it takes him to return to the field, that's my best guess. If it was a more erratic fracture (powderization, which I doubt) than frankly I don't know.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

@@kpmh2001 it could be a fracture that separates the plate from the bone cracking both in different ways aswell.

[@kpmh2001]

@@hashiondiscord8540 True, but I don't recall the game giving us a lot of details about it. Guesswork is just about all we have unless we can find a better source.

[@unitNitro]

8:18 I'm pretty sure she's referring to Fireteam Crimson (Player character(s)) here. Throughout the Spartan Ops, Crimson team constantly ourclasses Majestic. And with Canonically less members. Crimson is AT MOST four Spartans, and at minimum.....just one. Putting Crimson solidly in the "hyper lethal" category that Noble 6 and Master Chief occupy

[@aaronstrerk5521]

The reason Spartan 4s are undisciplined is because they don't have 051-Kurt training them. I had this out-there theory that Kurt is somehow still alive, and it was based on the passage of Dr. Halsey's comment in Ghosts of Onyx. The statis pods that contained team Katana was said to be able to survive any form of destruction because it didn't exist on the same spatial axis. The explosion would just phase through the target. Now I know it's unlikely that Kurt survived by jumping into one, but I don't see why they would bring up his connection to Forerunner tech and symbols that he went through during his final stand. He was written to feel a connection to the shield world and had an instinctual understanding of their writing. Like he knew what was written in the ancient Forerunner facility but at the same didn't understand a word. Why do that and kill hm a few hours later?

[@FurryGram]

I do think they should keep the title "Spartans" but should be called 4's in game as a nickname. I do think i like them as they are portrayed (to an extent) and i think it would be a lot more badass for a team of spartan IVs that joke around and poke fun at each other but they should also be ruthlessly competent and deadly and work well as a team. like how the Noble team was, but slightly more jovial. More like a band of brothers/sisters that also know how and when to stand at attention and pay respects.

[@rajendrashetti2363]

Alpha Nine works on the same level as what you visualized

[@sike2399]

Spartan I's is an honorific for those who participated in the Orion Project, retroactively paying homage to the predecessors who trailblazed the first series of enhancements that made the Spartan II Program possible, so it's definitely deserved. Spartan II's & III's actually fit the designation because their combat training and military indoctrination began in childhood just like they did in ancient Sparta. Spartan IV is another situation where the name is really just an honorific based on superficial comparisons to previous generations. Even the 4's know they don't measure up and it shows in how prickly and insecure they are about their status as Spartans. Still, they are expected to go out in the galaxy and do a Spartan's job so the least the UNSC could do is let them wear the name. They may not have been child conscripts but the training and enhancement procedures they have to endure are in some ways harder than the other programs. They weren't blank slates so they had to unlearn a lot of bad habits and relearn a lot of instinctive skills that the enhancements had thrown out of whack. Spartan 2's & 3's went through this at puberty before their bodies had finished growing so they hadn't had the chance to establish a baseline for their abilities whereas the 4's were already fully grown and had spent years relying on the strength and reflexes they already had. Bit of a dramatic transition, I would think. And then their augmentations were a lot more extensive, invasive, and high maintenance as well. Almost all of their organs altered or replaced, way more cybernetic and mechanical implants, strict diets and constant fine-tuning between missions. It's not like the UNSC doesn't make them earn the name Spartan even before they send them off to battle.

[@andrewdduvall1]

The spartan 4s we've had the unfortunate experience of witnessing are nothing comparable to the spartan 2s and 3s pardoning the spartan 2 programs original purpose that fought for humanities survival. While I expect admirable spartan 4s can surface the current expectation is low and respect along with it.

[@theAverageJoe25]

BlackJackZach the 2s were created to crush human rebellion

[@andrewdduvall1]

@@theAverageJoe25 yes I'm aware that why I said to pardon it

[@judaychop]

Rishav Roy theyre the some of few admirable spartan lVs we’ve gotten

[@PositiviteaTheFirst]

@@judaychop I like to believe that most Spartan IVs are like Buck, Alpha Nine, Fireteam Crimson and Fireteam Shadow since most of them are veteran ODSTs, and that Palmer and Majestic are the exceptions to the rule

[@battleborks5026]

“All she(Palmer) needs to line her up is a damn good fu-“ you my friend are a fucking legend, that shit had me busting out laughing and that is a truly rare occurrence

[@juliobrian4757]

I fell off my chair with that one

[@KillMonger592]

Imagine if noble six had MJLONIR gen 2 armor ...

[@iglagfbnsdfq1500]

Dave Riot we don’t actually know if gen 2 has that much of an impact on spartan IIs and IIIs. Gen 2 seems to engance your abilities more, but with a performance ceiling around that of gen 1.

[@KillMonger592]

@@iglagfbnsdfq1500 ever saw that video they made when they were advertising spartan Locke's armour for halo 5... when he was doing some impossible shit boosting up walls and all the fancy ground pounding and shid... yea if noble 6 had that armor and those abilities on reach he'd probably slaughtered each and every single covey on lonewolf

[@Kakuretaka]

Whole point of Mjolnir mk4/5/6 is it has no ceiling. It works by taking your brain signals threw a port in the base of the skull and moving before you do. This is covered in the books the first time John, Fred and Alice put it on, The suit moved faster than there actual limbs and took time to compensate for, Going form jerky movement to fluid. the more time they spent in the armour the faster their reaction times got. What we see in games is them slowed down to give us a chance to play. In the game you dodge missiles and projectiles moving at 1000m/s if not more. Gen2 Works with the wearer not for them and as they are not as enhanced as Spartan IIs a Spartan IV cannot be as fast or as strong. this is why the fight with Locke should not have been a contest it should have been over far sooner. John held back as if he didn't he could would have killed Locke. Now sure John is pushing 46-48 at this stage even with time in Cryo hes is getting on in years but as we have no benchmark for age on the Spartan IIs lets argue he is getting slower. BUT if thats what it takes for a Spartan II to almost lose is be twice the age of a Spartan IV I think that shows just how incredible there abilities are.

[@Swordsman99k]

@@Kakuretaka John is 46 in canon I think, but he is also three years younger at minimum because of Cryo at the end of Halo 3. Then add however much time he spent in cryo otherwise, and add to that his peak physical condition. Chief physically likely sits at around 35 right now.

[@sleipnirodin2881]

The "protails" of the *Spartans 4* in *Halo 4, was actualy, well made.* Let me explain please, dont aim directly for my head. [This is not a "faillure".] 343 give us a actual myriad to compare. Between the *greatest extremes* , the old rugged brainwashed handpicked to achieve the peak of , not only a simple *"military hardware"* but the culmination of a *"Perfect human figthing machine, and being".* On the other side is simply *"Us"* , Veterans handpicked to participate in the *Spartan 4 programs* wich is no less than a fracture from the *"Elite and indomitable" Spartans 2.* [And Spartans 3, even if they're fields of action is quite different and so is they're build.] *Spartans 4* are not the *"Perfect mind, perfect lance, pefect shield" Spartans 2 ought to be,* and, well, are. *Spartans 4* are a *"Manufacture of super soldier"* not the *"Super soldiers"* themselves, they are created has dispensible strong assets, just like *ODST's* are. In this manner, and corresponding with the lore. [Halo wise.] The differrence is obvious, and *343 wanted us to see this clear demarcation line.* Like *Halsey* said, indeed, some of you approach what a *"Spartan"* [Emphasis on the singular use of the word, "Spartan", here.] could be. Spartans 4 are simply the *"New Marines, the new frontline"* in the years to come for humanity. [A unit of "Lancers" while the "Elite force" are in waiting for singular enemies, or situations, wich will require they're "superior skills".] *THIS* is what the Spartans 4 are. *"A blunt instrument",* effectiv', but in need of a operator. Wich is what Marines are, [In the Halo univers.] in they're most basic form. [Dont forget either, that, for these mens and womans, all of this is new. At the time of Halo 4.]

[@LunaS043]

Fucking THANK YOU.

[@sleipnirodin2881]

@@LunaS043 At your service Sir.

[@absoluteunit8334]

I actually hadn't considered that this is just the first step into Humanities next evolution. I believe the Librarian in 4 says something similar to Chief along those lines as well. However this does raise the question, what happens when the 2's and 3's inevitably die off, do to either old age or battle? Do we create new ones? Do we simply move on without them?

[@Dmarshrex]

Thank you!

[@sleipnirodin2881]

@@absoluteunit8334 They certainly be revered has the - *"Savior and the first steps of our great evolution"* None will surpass them, *"fame wise, and service for the entire Humanity"* i do feel like this. But only time will tell.

[@tackleberry9386]

Thorne didnt remove his helmet in combat, he was transported to requim from the infinity due to contact with the artifact. Its accepted that spartans can have helmets or armour off whilst on board the infinity

[@z-man1237]

He could’ve at least had his helmet with him so he can have is HUD and Shields ready

[@Samdaman747]

I think by necessity, what we expect when we think "Spartan" is going to have to change with the IVs. While I agree that changing their name would remove the comparison, I don't see it happening, so the comparison will continue to be made. From the jump, the IVs are at a disadvantage and they weren't helped by 343's earlier portrayals. IIs and IIIs take the term 'career soldier' to an extreme that can't be matched. The IVs view being a Spartan as a promotion or new MOS. IIs and IIIs view being a Spartan as who and what they are. It simply isn't the same, and that's a good thing, because I think we can all agree child soldiers, however much the ends justified the means, is not something we would like to continue using. With regards to your main complaints about the IVs shown, I sort of do and sort of don't agree with you. Fireteam Majestic, at least Madsen and DeMarco, are cocky and arrogant, and frankly, it's not all that surprising. Some people just are that way, regardless of it being warranted, let alone being a supersoldier. I don't mind banter, hell Chief is full of one liners and snark and Noble Team spends quite a bit of time, in the field mind you, bantering and I loved it. Their lives are stressful enough without being able to laugh every now and then. As for Palmer, I'm in a very tiny minority who didn't mind her character. I think her first line to Chief is thrashed because it didn't land, but honestly? Imagine meeting your idol and getting flustered and trying to be witty but it falls flat. That's about as human as it gets imo. Maybe the IVs don't bother me because I don't expect them to be IIs or IIIs, they're IVs, flaws and personalities and mistakes included. As for Locke, he's as emotionally controlled and professional as you want the IVs to be. I think his line about Chief inspiring or saving him showed that regardless of his personal feelings, they have a job and they're going to do it, regardless of the cost or their opinion, which is the epitome of a Spartan. Let's be honest though, we all just wanted more Buck lol.

[@E2WAVY]

I didn’t really mind Palmer either, but she did seem to get a little annoying at some points. At the same time tho I kind of like that point you made about the banter between Spartans like the IVs were always meant to conduct themselves so professionally and be this and that and yet IIs and IIIs like you said had their own banter and comments to things here and there, and that made me think about that short movie about the SIII headhunters and how Jonah and Roland were conversing throughout their mission, and even towards the elites near the end. Yeah IIs and IIIs are amazing, but it seems just a tiny bit off when the IVs are given what it seems to be like higher expectations as far as mannerisms and interactions go. Even tho some like the scenes shown of fire team majestic for example I feel like they could’ve really shown at least some more discipline. Even some respect becoming a spartan and starting out as a IV. Being humble at the fact that, even tho they may not be on the level of the IIs and IIIs, they are sharing the title alongside those spartan generations and are the building on the already significant reputation that previous Spartans built.

[@sir_ridley388]

Reading all this makes me feel like we fell for all the ONI propaganda.

[@Wtfgladiator]

Sir_ Ridley388 you shouldn’t have said that... the spooks are coming after you now...

[@TheMhalpern]

Agreed the banter is good, it makes them human,

[@peperlover99]

I could not agree more with this post.

[@ineedtobestopped5690]

Maybe 343 can explain the unprofessionalism within the Spartans iv as political string being pulling by high ranking politicians or generals. Perhaps tampering with service records to get their entitled sons or daughters into the program without going to a selection or weeding out process.

[@0121D0ONE]

That would actually damage how the story is set up. A S2 wash out runs the Spartan 4 training. Do you think he would approve of that?

[@5xg378]

If i remember correctly, one spartan from majestic got to the spartan iv program that way.

[@h0llyw00d_CTMC]

Sure their armor and augmentations may be stronger than 2s and 3s but they’re made Spartans at an older age. They grew up having a life. Real life problems. Only problems 2s have is their mission. It is all they’ve ever known. I do like the 4s though. I love that 343 gave us new characters that they can build off of. I hope in Infinite dlc they give appearances to all of them. Blue team returning, Osiris returning, Red team returning, Majestic returning. It would be awesome.

[@flatarthur3161]

The Spartan-IVs are weaker and slower than the previous two generations.

[@davidc2225]

I mean tbh what did you expect? Spartan 2s were bread to be Spartans. They knew nothing other than being Spartans and were hand picked by Halsey for the program. Spartan 3s were also bread to be Spartans except they weren’t hand picked by Halsey, they were picked by ONI trying to create cheaper versions of the spartan 2s, that’s why they were made in such greater numbers and were sent on missions that they weren’t expected to come back from. Then you get to the spartan 4s, just regular humans that volunteered for the program after already having served in the military either for the fame of being a spartan or like Thorne because they’re actually trying to make a difference(hence why Halsey says he’s closer to being a true spartan) so you don’t get that same indoctrination that the 2s and 3s got.

[@starhammer5247]

But even a marine knows better than breaking ranks and being stupid behind enemy lines or in an active combat zone. Doing either will get them or their team killed.

[@LuoSon312_G8]

And Buck owes more to a certain S3 than yet he knows.

[@deltahunter4810]

Kou Her we talking about Six?

[@LuoSon312_G8]

@@deltahunter4810 yes

[@Noface678]

Why what did noble six do to help Buck?

[@LuoSon312_G8]

@@Noface678 during the covenant glassing of New Alexandria Noble Six rescued Buck and his odst fireteam, that was accidentally left stranded without an aerial escort during the mass evacuation. The survivors which would canonically be the team featured in Halo 3 ODST, minus the rookie.

[@Noface678]

Kou Her thanks man I had no idea, I actually played the mission where you go around tower to tower saving people and blowing up the jammers today.

[@HeWhoComments]

I want more of Spartan Thorne. He was the only IV I liked from Halo 4. He actually seemed mature. If all the IVs had similar attitudes as his, they would’ve been more fleshed out and enjoyable.

[@starhammer5247]

Having one be a wisecrack that takes their job seriously when in combat would make people like them more than what Fireteam Majestic was like. Thorne was what you'd expect to see, three fifth's of the team were what you didn't want to see.

[@ryanlarson3482]

That “nameless fire team” you actually can get some dialogue from them aboard the infinity that would indicate they are veterans from the human covenant war, some of them even fought side by side with chief. I assume this is why they are much more professional than Palmer or majestic

[@TheDarkRaiker]

I don't remember were I readed but the Spartans that apear in the campain are in fact Spartans III thats why they act like real Spartans, because they are real Spartans