Installed Supermoto Tires on my MX2000 | Biggest Tire Sizes that fit Razor MX650 MX500 Wheels

[@captainwafles.y1533]

Cool stuff man! I just recently bought the mx650 and have been looking for others who have modded this thing out and how to do it. Great video and lots of information. Thanks!

[@PatOutdoors]

Glad I could help!

[@TURBOMOOSE]

Can't wait to see the riding impressions with the new tires!

[@SMG59-]

this is the content we need! keep it up 👍🏽

[@Jacwagonboy]

Great video, I really appreciate the description. Keep it up!

[@ghostphil69]

I know this video is a year old, but you can get brackets online to extend the swing arm so once you get the brackets you’ll have plenty of clearance without modifying the motor mount 👌🏽

[@PatOutdoors]

This video is super old.. I have 2 razors with extended swing arms now. But yes, good suggestion for those who don’t know yet!

[@ghostphil69]

@@PatOutdoors nice bikes, bro I’m building one myself a MX500 🤙🏽 great content thanks for sharing

[@Brwinka]

@@PatOutdoorsi wish they made swing arm extensions wayy cheaper cuz 350 bucks for two little pieces is insane

[@desertrance]

Interesting video that Razor looks great!

[@jonlee580]

That instrumental in the background reminds me of the song Temptations by 2Pac.. I like it

[@brandonp2896]

This is what I needed to know

[@bdrgarage7039]

one thing I noticed owning well over 20 mx500/mx650's is the wheels are not balanced and need to be tried in, some are better than others. I saw someone that had taken dirt bike rims and used the original hubs and new spokes. Looked great and rode smooth. Also had street tires.

[@PatOutdoors]

Totally agree, I noticed that NONE of my (4) razors have perfectly well-balanced wheel/tire set ups. I can't avoid noticing vibrations over 35 MPH.

[@xpndblhero5170]

This looks like the same tires I have on my Mx650..... I can't help but love the supermoto look and it rides SOOOOO much better. Edit: O no, don't try the tire levers... I broke mine trying to do that and I had to get tire spoons to change them, it's insanely difficult to do but the spoons helped, but what helped the most was a little bit of soapy water and I left the tire in the sun for about 20 minutes before installing. Edit 2: Should have stayed w/ the 16x3 in the front and 10x2.75 or 10x3 in the rear.... You have to consider that the tire expands at speed.

[@PatOutdoors]

You are absolutely right. The tires are stiff and tire spoons are much more efficient. Also 10x3.0" MAX for the rear. I realized that too late, but this was simply just an experiment to find out what it would actually take to fit a tire this large. I get some rubbing on my motor casing due to tire expansion, but only if I go over 40+ MPH.

[@xpndblhero5170]

@@PatOutdoors - That's what I've been telling people too because I see a lot of expansion on the 10x3, I couldn't imagine a 10x3.5... That would scare me, I'd be afraid of it popping at speed because it rubbed on the motor or something. Still an informative video and I appreciate that you actually succeeded on doing that w/ bike tire levers... I had to order spoons and wait 3 days before I could ride because mine was being particularly difficult and I broke my levers. LoL

[@xpndblhero5170]

I recommend the 16x3 on the front and a 10x3.0 on the rear.... Its almost perfectly balanced and it rides like it's on rails, I'd like to have pit bike rims so I can fully trust the beads because 40+ mph starts to get scary when you remember you're on a "kids toy". 😁

[@DirtDigglerDetecting]

Oh man Those Look GREAT. I bet you get a little better speed too. Burn out will shred tires and gravel will tear them up too. I really like that look :)

[@PatOutdoors]

I'm thinking it will also gain speed just because of the tire OD difference in the rear. Thank you sir!

[@sammydavidson4201]

Hey I was just wondering If I could use the tubes that the bike came with and still put moto tires on?

[@PatOutdoors]

No you cannot, too small diameter. It would not ride correctly with the gap inside

[@sammydavidson4201]

Okay, Thank you

[@ilkzode1822]

Hey friend, juat got the mmg front street tire on my razor from your recommendation. It looks clean. Went ahead and ordered the kenda 413 rear tire 3×10. Ordered inmer tunes from amazon but they are really small. Do i actually need a (3x12) inner tube?

[@johnsharkey2948]

The last bit looked like a tough bit a work.. Geting tire clearance..

[@PatOutdoors]

Which is why I don't recommend the size I went with. Simply did it to see what would need to be done to make it work.

[@beastoperation7068]

Would it be a good tire setup to do 2.75 thickness in front and do 3.0 thickness in the rear or should I do 2.5 in the front and 3.0 in the back.

[@Rocxstarmade]

Could i just use any old 3x10 inner tube for the 3x10 tire?

[@PatOutdoors]

As long as it’s for the same matching size, yes

[@darrenjackson6207]

Hey bro your abnormal tire wear is most likely due to low tire pressure.I have had my mx650 for 3 years plus with the same rear tire and I ride mine on road and off and I still have usable tread . Sometimes I ride it to work which is a 33 mile round trip.

[@romeinc]

Bad ass video thank u..

[@MaxNovogratz]

I know this video is really old, but can you please help me I kind of need to know the link to the smaller back wheel and an innertube for it can you please help?

[@vincentgirard502]

Amazon for like 40 there kenda tires

[@basquiattv2458]

The link in ya bio for the front tire lmao the tire is huge the stock mx front wheel is 12 inch when wheel you have is for a 16 inch wheel so it not going to fit

[@PatOutdoors]

16 Simply refers to the overall diameter.. not the wheels size. It's for a 12" wheel.

[@marcrpen]

Not the 2.75-16..i was jus about to order an in the description it says for a 16 in.rim..the 16-2.50 is right..but the the 2.75..dbbl check .

[@Razorcrew_Cole]

90/90/10 is max size without doing any weird modifications. Again that's only for true supermoto this is not a supermoto if he has a 12" tire up front and 10 in the back lol a supermoto is same size rims front and back not just putting slicks on lol😂😂😂 I don't know why he got such a baby front tire too I wouldn't listen to this I have all the specs on TikTok

[@Jordon_Fischer]

Would it fit an sx?

[@grantharris7451]

Just to clarify you got a 3x16 for the front tire and a 3.5x10 for the rear.

[@PatOutdoors]

Not a recommendation. I just used a 10x3.5” for the rear as an experiment but had to do lots of modifications to make it work. Would not go larger than 10x3.0”. The front overall diameter is 16” yes, but designed to be fitted for a 12” rim. Though I recall using 2.6” width. Looks like the listing may have changed

[@grantharris7451]

Thanks for clarifying.

[@Razorcrew_Cole]

90/90/10 for the rear 90/90/12 for the front if you're not doing a true supermoto and keeping that dirt bike style ram

[@Razor_NayNay]

Hey so I have the same rear street tire, but when I put the front street on, it went from 35mph to 30mph, then I tried the dirt tire on front and street on the back, and it went 31.5mph. Did your bike go slower than before when you put it on?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Razor_NayNay nope. Unless your bike is simply not making enough power to freely push the heavier tires. Also what pressures are you running?

[@Razor_NayNay]

@@PatOutdoors 36psi and the dirt is 40psi. My bike is a 48v 2000w. But when I tested it going 35mph it was like 2 months ago

[@johnsharkey2948]

You didn't show the front tire removal.. it wS too quick a shot... think i gotta do more than that to remove mine..

[@PatOutdoors]

You should make a video better than mine to demonstrate, super long videos can be boring. Maybe I'll redo it on the next bike build.

[@programmingwithbaker-codin953]

Are you sure you link descriptions for innertubes are correct? I clicked on link for 3.5” and 3” came up

[@PatOutdoors]

Could be outdated from the seller. This video was over a year ago

[@carlcofr]

Did the new back tire increase top end speed?

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes

[@Mattkrassop24]

Why use a 12 volt battery over a 48 volt battery?

[@PatOutdoors]

You add (1) 12V battery to add to the other (3) to wire in a series to make 48V. OR you can just install (1) 48V Lithium battery if you have the money. This bike is now 72V, if you want to check out the later videos

[@IdolTyme]

Did you, by chance, create a wiring diagram for all of the 12v accessories that you'd be willing to share? Thanks!

[@PatOutdoors]

Hmm too much to explain, but check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJmuqZmZp5h-Z7s

[@IdolTyme]

@@PatOutdoors Very helpful. Thank you, sir!

[@y2kpeemachine]

Are these the factory rims? Plus I am missing my swing arm bolt assembly, where can I find one?

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes they are. You can usually find replacement MX650 and MX500 parts here: www.monsterscooterparts.com/brands/razor/models/mx650

[@Oliedo]

Do you have the link to the smaller rear wheel ?

[@MaxNovogratz]

I need to know too!

[@tinneronyt6789]

​@MaxNovogratz look up 2.75- 10 37j kenda tire thats whag I use

[@kevinyaeger8167]

Has anyone just built a back wheel with a hub motor? Could have a larger diameter wheel with motor out of the way, waterproof, and regen braking.

[@Toolguytaylor]

I followed the link and ordered 16 inch tires because that’s what you have under the links. My whole stock tire could fit inside there. I fucked up now. I have to return it. Can you change description with accurate for the stock front wheel? I think the 16 is too big way too big.

[@PatOutdoors]

This was over 2 years ago and I've had the same link on there.. The seller may have changed what they'll selling recently, but the one I used IS a 16" (overall diameter) tire that's fitted for a 12" rim.

[@Razor_NayNay]

Same bruh it’s way too big

[@Toolguytaylor]

@@Razor_NayNay yea the one they sent is for a 16 inch rim not tire xD like he said must of changed the link product maybe when they ran out.

[@Razor_NayNay]

@@Toolguytaylor yeah it sucks, now I have to return it and wait.

[@JonahNAloha]

Hey brother Pat, just wondering if there’s anyway that I could give some height to this bike? I was planning on trying to see if a 14inch rear would work but, looks like clearance issues. And maybe a 16inch front. Lmk what can I do for more height. The back tire mod on this bike looks good.

[@PatOutdoors]

Check out my later videos on the 72V Razor. I ended up installing a DNM 190mm Rear shock and Alter Ego fork, which raised the bike about 2.5" overall. You can't put a larger wheel on the rear without at least getting an extended swing arm fabricated. The stock fork will not fit a larger front wheel either. You can probably do a 14" front wheel with a pit bike fork though

[@JonahNAloha]

Apologies this comment was ment for a razor mx350,

[@PatOutdoors]

@@JonahNAloha Unfortunately I have limited experience with those bikes besides overvolting the stock motor. I don't believe you can fit that wheelset size on that frame and fork. It would take a lot of fabrication and it may be easier to start with a larger bike if height is what you're looking for.

[@trikkyreal730]

Do you think 3.00 10 will fit without drilling new holes

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes, that’s the size I would recommend if you could find it

[@programmingwithbaker-codin953]

3.5 refers to width or diameter of tire? You were saying 3.5” was going to touch the motor (diameter) but then you kept talking about how wide they were I’m confused Sorry

[@PatOutdoors]

10” is the inner diameter of the tire (size of the rim.) 3.5” is the with of the tire and adds towards the overall outer diameter of the tire. 2.5” width rear tire is approximately 1” overall diameter smaller than this one

[@KUKI_de]

nice Video! 🔥 Thumbs up and keep it up :)

[@PatOutdoors]

Thanks, will do!

[@lbisd]

Hey I’m just wondering if you had any problems with charger because mine will not work and I have the same set up as you, I am thinking about getting rid of it

[@PatrickKasilag]

What do you mean it doesn’t work? The fast scooters one? Please contact Fast scooters, maybe they would be able to get you a replacement one

[@lbisd]

@@PatrickKasilag I meant like it will only blink green and refuses to charge my battery’s, I contacted the people and they did not help much so I was wondering if you also had issues with it as well.

[@Kevin2023-]

So the front is a 16” and the back is 10”?? Even though razor says 16” and 14” or 12”in back

[@PatOutdoors]

16” tire size refers to the outer diameter, same thing with 14” rear. The rim/wheel sizes are still 12” front and 10” rear. I have three of these bikes now, all same thing

[@randomcuriosities8441]

Is there an advantage to using SLA batteries over lithium ion?

[@PatOutdoors]

Can’t think of any besides cost. If you can afford it, go lithium. Much lighter, compact, and can produce more power

[@xixamxforgottenx]

Do you think you could run the same size up front to make them match?

[@PatOutdoors]

Nope! WAY too wide for the factory MX650 wheels. Also a different diameter.. 12" vs 10", The SX500 Wheels can run 10x3.0" both front and rear though

[@Razor_NayNay]

When I put the tires on. My bike went 5mph slower. Anything happen to u?

[@PatOutdoors]

Did you check to confirm you have no rubbing issues?

[@Razor_NayNay]

@ yes

[@capabel1]

Will these fit SX-500 also?

[@freakenstein1984]

Can you do some tires for me

[@JthemovementDaneTV]

Do they have a wider tire or bigger one for this?

[@PatOutdoors]

For the same size wheels? Wouldn’t recommend it..

[@JthemovementDaneTV]

@@PatOutdoors I am making a custom razor so mines is welded and has extended swing arms

[@JthemovementDaneTV]

I just don’t want to spent money buying a whole wheel package thats like $300

[@dradreams]

Slotting that is very dangerous and will absolutely loosen up during rides to move holes just fill straight

[@Canadian_72vRazor]

so does it work on the stock rims?

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes, these are the stock wheels. But I had to modify the motor mounts to be mounted further forward. I would stick with no larger than 3x10" rear tire if you don't want to do heavy modifications

[@keithturner7635]

Do the 3 fit without any mod?. Trying to do mod without too many to no changes to frame

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes, I wish i went with a 3" from the beginning. Though I'm not sure if it will clear aftermarket heatsinks (if you have one installed)

[@keithturner7635]

@@PatOutdoors No it doesn't thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind when upgrading to 48v. I was thinking doing 2.75 back 3 front because I was worried about the wheel touching the motor. Do you think that would be an issue?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@keithturner7635 3" front will be way too wide for the factory MX650 wheels. No larger than 2.6" front in my opinion

[@keithturner7635]

@@PatOutdoors I was picking from the ones you had as options on the description. So 2.75 front and 3 back?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@keithturner7635 3" REAR: amzn.to/3Jwu2qT 2.5" FRONT: amzn.to/3ncnvKk I think this is the most appropriate size combo for the factory wheels

[@ericdeltorto8639]

How long does this last?

[@javon161]

Do we HAVE to run these tires with an inner tube

[@PatOutdoors]

Unfortunately yes, these wheels are not designed for a tubeless set up. Maybe they're able to be modified to run tubeless similar to mountain bike wheels, but I haven't seen people try yet.

[@GeradHopkinsOfficial]

How do you actually adjust the motor ?

[@PatOutdoors]

You cannot, that’s why I had to slot the motor mounts to shift the motor forward on the fork. I do not recommend this tire size because it’s not worth it. I’d say stick woth 3x10” max

[@DubJay315]

Will a 20 inch BMX rim fit the front of the 650? Thanks.

[@PatOutdoors]

I do not think so. Also consider that the mx650 uses disc brakes for the front

[@DubJay315]

@@PatOutdoors Thank you.

[@videntemusic2465]

Hi bro I can install bigger tire and rims

[@Kingofdapirate]

Can I fit a heatsink

[@PatOutdoors]

Not without swing arm extensions (which I just installed a few weeks ago) - in a later video

[@Two_wheelsmovement]

Can u drop the link for the tires?

[@PatOutdoors]

Everything's in the description!

[@baliboi_santa4162]

Couldn't you just buy rsf650 tires and put them on the mx rims?

[@PatOutdoors]

You can for the rear, but the front is a different size.

[@baliboi_santa4162]

@@PatOutdoors dam I'm building a mx650 too and I wanna make it a supermoto but I can't decide which sizes to get lol like every yt vid recommends different sizes and brands and all that

[@baliboi_santa4162]

@@PatOutdoors still heavily appreciate your vids tho man there awesome and very helpful 👌🏽

[@That1E_K1129]

Qhy not just fab up a 1 or 2' swing arm extension. It's not hard. You have a welder correct? Get creative. And itll let you leave some sick hole shots brotha

[@PatOutdoors]

@@That1E_K1129 this is a very long time ago. I have 3” swing arm extensions on this bike now

[@That1E_K1129]

@PatOutdoors NICE! I was gonna say that would have made so much more sense. I am sure it looks super sick with the 3" stretch! I just today picked up a Ground Force Drifter. I have a ton of plans for. I already ordered a 3000watt brushless and a 72 volt 20ah battery. Also got a drifter 360 ( its like a 3 wheeler with a crazy cart set up on the front wheel. I got them and 4 other scooters for a super crazy deal I felt so bad I ended up paying him more than the asking because he was robbing himself and my conscience kicked in. 😭 I have plans for both. But I have to get my crazy cart done she needs 2 rear casters. My kids are hard on them bit the ground force is mine 😉

[@FSK1138]

why not just transfer everything to a larger frame and then put on biger wheels .. i am sure you can find a cheap or free doner frame used

[@PatOutdoors]

This was a while ago, already picked up a Yamaha as a doner frame with a larger wheelset. Appreciate the input though

[@KeatonsCarlott]

You need a proper fork. I can help

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes please help. What fork upgrade lets me keep my current wheelset?

[@mrguppy1016]

Just get a suron

[@ryancollar1]

Buy me one

[@basquiattv2458]

🥲 help this is my third time watching this video am I the only one guilty of this ???