Installing Air Lift Air Spring System on 2017 Ford Super Duty F350

Air Lift LoadLifter 5000 Ultimate with the on-board wireless compressor 72000. Demonstration of locating and using Ford upfitter switches. Links below:
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[@phillipcoble629]

Great video, thanks for taking the time and effort to put it out. I have a 2017 F-350 and added the exact AirLift set up. Ordered it on line and was going to have a local shop put it on after crawling around under the truck and not seeing a good location to install it. After I watched your video I installed it myself. Again thanks! By the way, Semper Fi

[@EpicCowlick]

No big deal really. Just hard laying on the back with the arms outstretched for so long. Oorah!

[@coralie3312]

Phillip Coble u

[@Yukonjackman1]

Remember that the 350 Ford didn't add a frame plate behind the cab like on the 450 so its a little week spot most guys are adding bags to handle more weight

[@LOS-jh8tv]

I really like these videos on your upgrades, these are all about the normal mods we add to these trucks so I sure do appreciate you taking the time to get this on You Tube! Keep them coming!

[@rockcrawler001]

This is a great install video. I just bought my '17 F250 and have been eye balling this kit. Thanks again ;)

[@napaboy101]

Such a good video! Thanks so much for all the details what what you did to install all of it and the before and after photos were awesome!

[@Robert8455]

Good job on covering your installation. When that clip fell into the frame, I'm thinking that is exactly how my installs will go. Ha ha. I like how you set everything up, looks top notch.

[@EpicCowlick]

Thanks. The video didn't show the whole story. I tried with my finger for a few minutes and gave up. Then installed the other side and finally got the idea for the wire. Worked great!

[@user-fs1sc9yf9y]

Finished my 72000 install last Saturday. Thanks again for all your help & videos on your install. At some point in the future I plan to install the Viair compressor to use with the Airlift 72000.

[@EpicCowlick]

It's a great system. You'll enjoy it. The little compressor will run forever if it's kept dry. Still, you might want to keep a couple of Schrader valves in the truck to splice into the airbag lines in case of failure.

[@85montess1]

Thank you for making this video was really helpful when I installed the exact set up on my 2017. Followed exactly what you did

[@mikemurphy9953]

I did this same thing to my F450 Dully a few weeks back. It's the same kit that you have and it was a very clean step by step install. I am really impressed where you put the compressor. I have installed several of these kits on previous trucks and I have always mounted mine right below the driver door on the frame rail.

[@EpicCowlick]

There is a TON of space up under there. I'm sure your normal spot is fine but it's kind of nice to almost never hear the compressor running because it's so far away. It's also comforting to know it's well protected from the elements.

[@isaactjones]

great video! you're production is getting better ;)

[@marcalbright4430]

Nice video I like the upfitter switch explanation!!!

[@FISHH00KS]

Joe, you're video pushed me off the fence. I bought the same set up off Amazon. Looks easy.

[@shelliebarnes1959]

Thanks for kool videos. always good to have someone break trail so to speak. I just also finished install of 5000 plus bags in my new 2017 f250 6.7. Piece of cake easy. One thing I did was while bags were assembled on thebench I fully compressed each bag then wrapped with a couple heavy duty tie wraps to keep compressed during install. Then cut off. Now comes 72000 install. I only haul a new Palomino SS550 truck camper at 1450 lbs to/from Alaska. I'd like to install a new 50 fuel tank but alas I'm truely humbled after watching you do it. Look job my man

[@EpicCowlick]

Great tip on pre-compressing the air bags!

[@JanBartos24]

Great video! Thanks for the close description...

[@michaelrausch6950]

Thanks for this video. Just completed the install on my 2017 F350 SRW. My last pickup was a 2002 F350 and I can't believe how TALL the new one is comparatively. In order to get level with my 2003 5th wheel I had to move the leaf springs on the trailer on top of the axle, which got me about 5". Still couldn't get the truck under the trailer when level. So, I had to take out the 3.25" factory spring block and replace it with a 1.5" spring block. Now I sit close to level when unloaded and level with the 5th wheel attached. And, I have 6" clearance to the bed rails. I added these same Air Lift setup, had to do some slight modifications to make them fit with the new spring blocks, but made it work. Now when I tow real heavy I can keep it level.

[@EpicCowlick]

Way to go, that was no small project. You modified your trailer and the airbag mount points. It will be awesome from here on out. My trailer's axles were already flipped when I got it so that was nice. I was worried that the truck would be too high also but it turned out great.

[@montyparks4909]

Good job as usual Epic!

[@brewcrewfishing]

Great video Joe Average☺. I was hesitant about installing them but not too bad to do yourself after watching. Saced me some $$$ on install. Thanks

[@gmckenzie217]

Thanks for the video. This was super helpful for my 17’ F-250. I watched this video and the video we’re the air compressor went bad. I decided to installed mine in the cab behind the rear seat. I ordered the wireless Airlift compressor with the frame mount bracket. I removed the stock jack and it’s bracket. Using the stock jack stand bracket, I drilled holes into the bottom of the air compressor frame mount to match the jack stand bracket holes. I used the stock bolts and installed the air compressor frame bracket where the jack stand was. I then bolted the jack stand bracket to the top of the air compressor frame mount bracket. Just need to run the electrical and air lines. I hope the air compressor will last forever.

[@EpicCowlick]

Sounds like a great plan. Inside the cab is a bit noisy but it sure is dry. No worries about losing a compressor due to water. The only thing you'll have to maintain is the compressor filter which can fill up with lint and dust.

[@AM-kc3xg]

Great video / much appreciated. I just ordered a system for my F250 after watching your video.

[@EpicCowlick]

Thanks, you're really going to enjoy it.

[@pointblank1978]

I am so glad you made this video. Wanting to put airbags in my f350. Next video do a train horn install 😂

[@GeoBigJon]

Great video, thanks for sharing!

[@whiskeythrottleracing]

Good job! Thanks for the video!

[@GrillingNetwork]

Awesome job on the video!! I wonder if this would help smoothing rides if you were using your tow hitch?

[@terrygauthier5152]

Nicely done video, precisely what I want to do to my F250. I have the current airbags, but I do not have the compressor set up, and it gets pretty tedious to go out manually to check the airbag pressure constantly. So having a compressor on board is only the best logical decision I can make. Your video made it easier for me and gave me the confidence to go ahead and try this on my own; I appreciate it, Semper Fi!

[@EpicCowlick]

Glad I could help

[@KORUN666]

loved the fact it's a DIY like video ,you've made a Pro job here. Nice rig, those ToyHaulers are really big, thanks for sharing!

[@rasalas2x]

Another great video and perfect neat, installation. Thanks. So far the lower Torklifts are great for our camper but I need the Hellwig Bigwig which arrives tomorrow to help with side wind loading. Building brackets today for Viair compressor and tank. Due to winter salt I plan to stack them in the corner of the box (passenger side) with a sheet metal cover for appearance. No interference with camper and out of the weather. Horns will still go underneath. I am finding space for this equipment underneath but not without extensive mounting brackets or mounting surfaces without drilling the frame, something I avoid whenever possible for accessories. I look forward to your solutions. Thanks for your efforts to educate us all.

[@EpicCowlick]

Thanks. You're going to love that Hellwig for that big camper. That's a different animal than just managing a heavy pin. I am loving how well this truck works.

[@gascantx]

Nice job buddy!

[@WonderWhatsNext]

I have the same system in my 17 350 DRW, love those bags!

[@EpicCowlick]

I'm glad I tried them out. Very high quality product.

[@MMCUSN]

Excellent use of the screw pry bar hammer.

[@EpicCowlick]

Lol. I paid extra for all that functionality!

[@titolopez4270]

I love this video it's been something I have been wanting to do for years! So like you said that you can adjust each air lift from 5psi - 100psi would also be able to attach a line set to air up the truck tires or quad tires that are needed? If so can you kindly suggest how to do this or put a video? That would be so awesome.

[@FROGMAN524]

Great video!

[@jehlybean636]

Love your videos! Wish you updated more often. I realize it's been 2 years or so, but did you notice any difference in your ride quality? I have the exact same truck, but a 250. Pulling a 5ther as well.

[@jerryknorr679]

Great video thanks

[@billymann5325]

jeez that's a big ass donut!

[@skeetersaurus6249]

Yeah, I have a heavy optioned Chevy 2500HD (with all the extra tow options), but with my heavy 40-ft fifth wheel, I had a LOT of fifth wheel down weight that gave me a lot of rear-sag that I couldn't get away from...so I added the Airlift 5000 kit (with the single-line manual gauge) and simply 'T'd' the air line across the axle...worked out perfect! DEFINITELY killed the sag, leveled me out...best $400 I could have invested on it!

[@EpicCowlick]

The airbags can lift a lot of weight. I'm curious about the T setup with yours. I've heard that can allow airbags to push air from one side to the other and exaggerate a lean. Have you had any such problems?

[@workplaytv]

Hey I have to ask ya how you find the truck tows with the level and 37s? I have 3 6.7 PS that’s I tow a lot with. I am trading in my 17 for a 2020 and am wanting to either do a level or 4 inch lift with 37s and I run airbags on everything. Look forward to your response.

[@EpicCowlick]

This setup tows very well. Engine is strong enough to tow heavy with the 37 inch tires. The 2020 will be even stronger. The only concern is the bed height if towing a 5th wheel. My trailer's axles are flipped giving me 4 inches of height. It clears the bed rails great but would not if the trailer was at factory height. Tag trailers don't care and only need a good drop hitch. Goosenecks have plenty of clearance. Airbags are a must for stability and level towing in my opinion.

[@workplaytv]

EpicCowlick Awesome I appreciate the response. Yeah I tow bumper and gooseneck so I’ll be good that way. Couldn’t agree more. I even put bags on my 550. Check out there channel if you like PS content.

[@RobertKohut]

Nice!!

[@KidBako]

Epic, always enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing. Off topic here, but please share with me what fifth wheel hitch you went with in the new truck. Did you you go with a different hitch from the one you used in your 2011 SD? I recently went from the 2011 SD to 2017 F250 4x4 Lariat . . . love the truck! With the short bed, clearance between the rig and cab is very important. Thanks in advance.

[@EpicCowlick]

I'm still using the same B&W hitch that I got 6 years ago. I ordered this truck with the Ford 5th wheel prep so all I needed was a new base. The head is still working great and still pulling that monster toy hauler several times a summer.

[@benitorodriguez2965]

Thumbs up brah!!

[@saltrue1555]

Nice tks

[@nubbins70]

Great videos all around! One thing though, would you not want to isolate the DIY compressor bracket from the truck's frame, seeing as one is raw aluminium and the other is steel?

[@EpicCowlick]

I've made these types of brackets my entire life without even knowing about galvanic corrosion. Funny how I have always chosen aluminum because it doesn't "rust". lol. My take on that issue is that if the dissimilar metals have either an electrical current running through them or if the vehicle is in a humid or otherwise corrosive environment then yes, you should deal with it with proper fasteners. In my case, I have neither so I get a pass.

[@bishopgeorge1333]

Lol, I had a good laugh when you lost that nutplate, great video. Now since that you had it in for a while now do you have any leak in the bags where your remote 72000 come on and put air back in them sometimes?

[@EpicCowlick]

Great question. The airbags have been awesome and I'm really glad for this model which has the bump stops inside. My little compressor failed this summer and I lost all air while pulling that big trailer. I was glad for the bump stops but I definitely wasn't level anymore. Found a solution that gets rid of the air bag compressor. Check my channel for the latest updates on an onboard air system and integrating that with the Airlift wireless controls.

[@crazyjas4558]

Couple of questions as I am installing this week - how did you raise and support your truck to lower the axle and how does your remote work with the manifold so far back as I had trouble with my remote connecting on this same this setup on my 2012 F250 with manifold mounted under rear drivers side door. Great write up - thanks!

[@EpicCowlick]

I just put a jack under the rear hitch and lifted the rear of the truck a few inches. Jack stands under the frame once it was up higher. At first I did have trouble with using the remote in the cab. I had to hold it as if reaching into the back seats to change pressure. It works fine now from anywhere in the cab now so not sure why it struggled at first. I don't use it much in the cab anyway. I only change pressure when the trailer is attached and I use it as part of raising and lowering landing legs on the 5th wheel. I inflate to 85 psi after I connect and start retracting the legs and then drop to 5 psi when I start lowering the legs. Speeds the process up. I've learned to never leave the remote on the truck bed sides. I've almost driven away like that a couple of times so it's always in my hand or pocket or center console. No exceptions. lol.

[@robbishop6450]

nice truck. .good video. . what's the 5th wheel capacity on those 2017 f350? I had a 2013 f350 swd had to get rid of it and get a dully for my tri alxe toyhauler. keep up the good work on the videos. .safe towing

[@EpicCowlick]

Max 5th wheel towing is 20,600 for the SRW F350.

[@gregparrott]

Very well documented video - Thanks! Does Firestone also have an airbag setup specific to this application and if so, what prompted you to choose Airlift?

[@EpicCowlick]

I had the Firestone Ride Rites on my previous truck and thought they were great. I knew about the AirLift versions and was always curious. Knowing now how well made the springs and the mounting brackets are I'm glad I gave them a shot. High quality product.

[@gregparrott]

Thanks for your perspective. I've had both and felt the Firestone's were more robust, especially in their mounting brackets

[@EpicCowlick]

That is interesting. I've installed both and felt like the AL bags are more substantial, thicker. And the main base bracket is larger and sits directly on the jounce bumper instead vertical extensions of Firestone's lower axle tube brackets. But at the end of the day, it's all just engineering. Clearly there is more than one way to skin a cat, so to speak. The Firestones proved themselves on my previous truck and these Air Lifts are new to me but have a great reputation. Time will tell.

[@gregparrott]

My experience goes back about 8 years ago on a '97 Chevy. Perhaps the design quality of bracketry between the two manufacturers varies (i.e. is model specific) or Air Lift has just improved relative to Firestone. I must admit, I like Air Lift's incorporation of a bump stop integral to the bag. One manufacturer whose bracketry was REALLY poor was 'Hellwig'.

[@kennethbeauchamp7453]

What are your thoughts on the Stainless Steel option? It has a slightly different part number but seems to have the same fit and weight capability.

[@oscard0215]

hey cowlick... are u still running the readylift 2.5" level on this video?? or did u go with something else? keep up the great work. love these videos.

[@EpicCowlick]

Yup, this leveling kit will stay. Very happy with it.

[@suburbanhobbyist2752]

Yes sir, that is correct. It's not a project worth doing if there isn't a sticker involved!

[@jeffreyleshinsky1728]

Double check the hardware you have to hold your module on, I think you said aluminum bracket, if you’re using steel bolts you’re going to get galvanic corrosion and it will erode the surrounding metal.

[@EpicCowlick]

Funny how I've used aluminum for this type of application my entire life and never even noticed any corrosion. When Ford published the aluminum fastener document it went a long way to educating the masses. I think the reasons I've never had problems is partly due to a couple of things. There is no electrical current running through the brackets I've made and I live in a high mountain desert with low humidity. That and I've never kept a vehicle long enough to see failures. Time will tell.

[@justinwaite26]

I'm still shocked at how high the new SD's sit ..looks awesome! ford is the only one that need very little add on's to look trick

[@EpicCowlick]

I agree. It's two inches taller than the last version. I put a level on the front and with the 37 inch tires it just looks awesome.

[@justinwaite26]

EpicCowlick haha I know your dilemma..I have a 2014 350 platinum ,I love the way it drives super smooth yet I hook a 42ft toy hauler and it squats it just level no bags needed..but I'd like to put a level kit in...but then I'll need to put airbags and if the truck is going to sit a little taller I think it needs a broader stance..so better put rims on..but then I really like how smooth the stock platinum wheels look and roll..lol there's always a snag !

[@RayT70]

Thumbs up.

[@grobmcgee]

Nice install. I have the same truck and am looking at the same Airlift setup (5000 Ultimate + 72000 wireless compressor). Did you notice any deterioration in ride quality after installing the airbags? And does the airbag setup make a difference in how the truck handles when pulling your trailer? I have a 9,000lb travel trailer and while I haven't noticed any problems when towing, I've been told that the front end will be a bit more stable if I have an airbag system to eliminate squat. Just curious if that's been true in your experience.

[@EpicCowlick]

When the airbags are deflated (5 psi) you really can't tell they are back there. I put a camera under the truck once and ran over some rail road tracks and the bags compress as far as they can go. It's all factory suspension when they are deflated. As to the handling, I think they stabilize the truck a lot. The rear end can get bouncy if there is not a lot of air in them and really stiffens up when up to pressure. Everything is just positive except sometimes I have to reach the wireless remote into the back seat to change pressure. It must be at the edge of the range with the receiver in the far back under the bed.

[@dag09247]

@EpicCowlick , question I have seen several installation and most of the videos have them wiring the compressor to the fuse box not to the upfitter switches. Have you had any issues using the upfitter and wished you had gone to the fuse box?

[@EpicCowlick]

Absolutely no regrets. The best reason for using the upfitters is the ability to turn it on or off so easily. I've seen some guys wire them to hot circuits or 'always on' but that seems to be begging for a dead battery.

[@dag09247]

@@EpicCowlick that is what I thought a well thanks for the info

[@jamesswenson5939]

Do you know if the application would be similar to do in a 2014 f350? Also how much did it end up costing you? Great video!! Thanks

[@EpicCowlick]

I had a similar setup on my 2011. Same kind of deal just different places to mount. If I could do it over on the 2011 I would have installed it above the spare tire like on this 2017. Just too easy. You can get all this between $650 and $700 at lots of online places.

[@lifeonthemountain2816]

Did you jack the rear end up and put the frame on jackstands to lower the axle or were you able to install the bags with the truck just sitting at right height? I just got the same kit and was wondering if I needed bigger jack stands or not...

[@EpicCowlick]

I put a jack under the rear hitch and lifted the back end up a few inches. Then a single jack stand under the receiver. If your jack stand isn't tall enough, you can stack some lumber to get it high enough to hold the back of the truck up. There's not much risk of injury because if everything were to fail it would just come down to ride height. No biggie.

[@burtbarrow930]

Thanks for video, what size tires do you have on that truck?

[@EpicCowlick]

Toyo 37/12.50/20

[@chandler828]

You are the dad I aspire to be one day

[@EpicCowlick]

Thanks. Nothing is more important than family.

[@SledDemon]

Can these be installed while the truck is on the ground? I had a set for a '13 F250, but when the instructions told me I had to suspend the rear axle via placing the frame rails on jack stands, I just brought it to a shop. Now I have a '17, and I'm wondering could I have done it without the axle suspended? It looks like you just had the axle lifted to allow ease of access during installation. Can you confirm this. Thanks, and great video!

[@EpicCowlick]

I just jacked up the rear end under the hitch to increase the distance between the axle and the frame. The tires never left the ground.

[@adamhodder5403]

@@EpicCowlick Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply.

[@mbuck34]

What are your thoughts on the airlift smart air II? I'm trying to decide between that system and the wireless system in this video. Thanks!

[@EpicCowlick]

I don't have any experience with the Smart Air product. I put the 72000 on my previous truck as well as this one. I will say that Air Lift improved the design of the 72000 by adding the air filter/water separator on the current generation. Six years ago the filter wasn't there and the manifold failed due to moisture. It's always good to see a product improve over the years.

[@dantheman6931]

Awesome job! No manual fill valves?

[@EpicCowlick]

I was tempted to put them on my first truck but never did and never ended up needing them. Same deal on this truck. The compressor and controller are pretty dang reliable.

[@deviousrcngkrew]

Just saw your video and wanted to ask what kind of hitch are you using, does it have a slider and what's your turning radius like how close do you get to the cab, and your truck is a short bed right thank you

[@EpicCowlick]

It's a B&W companion hitch using the Ford factory fifth wheel prep in the bed. No slider. I've been many places seriously off road and never impacted the cab. Just have to be aware or it can happen. Lots of variables the largest of which is the front cap of the fifth wheel.

[@KenHodson]

is there any particular reason why you chose upfitter switch number 4? the power wire you hooked up to the up that are switch comes from where? I'm getting ready to do the same install just looking for a little clarification.

[@EpicCowlick]

Upfitters 5 and 6 can be switched to always on and I'm reserving those for other things. I figured I wouldn't really be turning it off and on much so I could put it in a less convenient position.

[@trevorhammer8507]

great video. Do you have the titan fuel tank on this truck also and if you do where there any fitment issues. Thanks

[@trevorhammer8507]

sorry meant S&B tank

[@EpicCowlick]

I added and S&B 60 gallon tank to this truck. Look for the video. Probably the best mod a truck can get.

[@prypiat27]

lol reading the manual while eating a donut.

[@oscarlerma2628]

Do you have any problems with the bags when it comes to getting your tires rotated or having your truck lifted for oil changes? Just wondering if there is anything you have to do to keep them from stretching too far, possibly damaging the bags.

[@EpicCowlick]

It's an interesting question but nothing to worry about in normal use. Think of crossing a ditch on an angle off road. The rear axle will travel past the unloaded range and the bags are designed to accommodate that. Having said that, if you go crazy during offroading, suspension limiting straps can be used to make sure the axles don't go too far.

[@DN4AGDX]

So once the air bags are on can you still use the truck 4wheeling. Looks like the bags limit axle travel.

[@EpicCowlick]

With the jounce bumper inside the airbag, it replaces the factory jounce bumper (bump stop). Axle travel is exactly the same.

[@carlkey9136]

Very informative...I have a 2017 350 towing a heavy fifth wheel with a similar sag and considering a similar solution. How much air pressure did it take to lift your trailer? When unloaded do you run the bags at 0 pressure? Many thanks.

[@EpicCowlick]

I just got back from a 4,800 mile trip pulling the trailer all the way and was so glad to have the system on the truck. It is just so much more stable than with the factory springs alone. I inflate to 90 psi when towing and 5 psi when not.

[@carlkey9136]

Perfect...I just returned back from a trip to Utah...beautiful state btw and can definitely could have used them.

[@carlkey9136]

Any issues with your setup? When I contacted my dealer they are trying to sell me firestones bags but the air lift compressor. I like that air lift has the built in jounce. Many thanks for your opinion.

[@EpicCowlick]

I actually had that setup on my previous truck and never had any problems. This time around I went all Air Lift partly because of the internal bumper. When you compare the Air Lift and Firestone side by side the Air Lift is more substantial and the Firestone feels "thinner". But like I said, my previous Firestones worked great for the 6.5 years I had them. The big reason people went with Firestone bags in the past was because the Air Lifts were difficult to install. This new version is pretty straightforward as the video shows.

[@tripletrouble30]

I just purchased a 2010 Ford F350 King Ranch with a 6.4 Diesel... Ride is horrible with stock shocks.. I am thinking about changing shocks and adding air bags.. Did the air bags help with the ride when you are NOT towing? Thanks

[@EpicCowlick]

Airbags are normally at the lowest inflation pressure (5 psi) when not towing. If they are filled at even 25 psi or more the rear end gets very firm. Most people don't like that but some do. The OEM Ford shocks are notorious for being crappy. Upgrade to Fox or true Rancho 9000 series for a huge upgrade.

[@michaelpizzi5416]

I have a 2017 f250 4x4 maybe you can help me out what's the numbers for air left 5000 and the wireless remote there's so many kits out there it's making my head spin. Does it matter that I have a BW patriot slid hitch all ready installed? Thanks for your help

[@EpicCowlick]

I had a B&W companion on my last truck which was a 2011. The hitch did not interfere underneath with the airbags but I did have to loosen one side plate to get the airbag bolts in place. No biggie. I can't say for sure as I haven't seen that combo but it should not be a problem. LInks to the airbags and airlift system are in the video description. I will never have a truck without airbags again. They make the truck so much more stable when towing heavy.

[@homeschool74]

I'm thinking about putting 2 inch shorter blocks in the rear rather than leveling my truck out since it's already so tall. Would this kit still work if the blocks were 2 inches shorter?

[@EpicCowlick]

That's a good question. Air Lift makes the 5000 model without the internal jounce bumper. I'd check to see if that would work or if they have different mounting options for a lowered truck.

[@chrisegan9670]

Do the air bags get rid of the bucking the truck will have once in a while when towing? no fronts?

[@EpicCowlick]

Chris Egan they make the truck much more stable, firm, and planted while towing. They reduce all the bad emotions significantly. But nothing is perfect there will still be some bounce and some checking almost no matter what you do.

[@1230yamaharider]

did you do anything to prevent galvanic corrosion where the steel and aluminum are in contact?

[@EpicCowlick]

+wombat warns Good question. The only aluminum I used was for the mounting bracket. No other penetrations or mounting points. There is no need to treat the bracket since it is mostly in contact on a painted surface and no electricity flows through it. The ground wire goes all the way to the battery.

[@bill84345]

I am considering a F350 vs F250 to gain payload but I see you get some sag. What is your truck GVWR and how much does your trailer weigh dry and loaded?

[@EpicCowlick]

The fifth wheel puts just over 3,500 on the hitch over the axle. Without the airbags, the truck sags too much. It's a heavy trailer and loads up to a little over 18,000. Dry is 4,000 less. GVWR on this truck is 11,500 but it is different truck-to-truck depending on how it is setup.

[@grnsgottaM]

What would be the scenario where you’d want to have different PSI from one side to the other?

[@EpicCowlick]

For a fifth wheel, I'm not sure there is a scenario since the load is always in the center of the axle. For an in-bed camper? Sure, you can see how the load may be heavier on one side or the other. Maybe if you happen to be hauling something in the bed that is heavy on one side? Just spit-balling but in my case I've never inflated one bag differently from the other.

[@carlkey9136]

How much space you recommend between the truck bed rail and the bottom of the fifth wheel when hitched?

[@EpicCowlick]

Carl Key The basic rule of thumb is to have no less that 6 inches if the truck and trailer drive on improved roads. 8 inches if off road.

[@Fordsuperduty6]

How do you like the way the truck pulls the trailer? Me and my wife are looking at toy haulers.

[@EpicCowlick]

The new generation of diesels are monsters. Plenty of power and loads of comfort. I choose Ford for reliability. They just work and work and rarely complain.

[@FISHH00KS]

Joe, @ 2:22 what torque did you final tighten the cup to the lower bracket?

[@EpicCowlick]

They are Nylock nuts and achieve full torque as soon as the bolt passes through. The trick is just tightening enough to allow the cup to slide a bit.

[@blackgmc01]

Question do you have a charge wire on your f250 at the Trailer plug?

[@EpicCowlick]

I can't say for sure. Pretty sure because everything works as expected. Remember that on these new 2017s you have to plug in and press the brake pedal to send power to the back.

[@bs-pu3dg]

Do you feel very confident knowing that you went with Air Lift over the other manufacturers?

[@EpicCowlick]

I am very confident with the Air Lift system. The current 72000 wireless compressor is improved with a water separator/filter and the airbags themselves have a very robust mounting design. On top of that, I just pulled the trailer about 600 miles and went underneath the truck to see if anything came loose and all was well. Very happy so far.

[@marcelosantana5800]

show me convide para um passeio nesse linda ford end trailer obrigado

[@EpicCowlick]

Vá para um revendedor ford e faça um teste!

[@brandondiaville9252]

Are those the 20x8 wheels? I have aftermarket wheels I swapped from my old truck to new, but like the new stocks. How is the towing of the 5th wheel with 37x12.50s on that narrow tire? I would like to fit 37s on stocks and still tow

[@EpicCowlick]

They're the factory 20X8 wheels. Towing with big 37 inch tires have an impact. They screw up the final drive gearing and effectively make the rear end something less than 3:31. If it wasn't for the powerful 6.7L engine, I'd be looking to re-gear the differentials to correct. I wouldn't call a 12.50 inch wide tire a narrow tire but it does great towing even when very heavy. No problems there. Technically the tire needs a 8.5 inch wheel but there's no problem running on the 8 inch OEMs.

[@brandondiaville9252]

EpicCowlick thanks for quick reply man, I meant to put narrow wheel, not tire haha.

[@EpicCowlick]

I figured. No problem. People worry about tire wear or towing stability but I haven't experienced that. Maybe if the wheel size was off more than an inch or better but not when it's only a half inch.

[@AM-kc3xg]

Hi - curious is you could give me your 6 month review / feeling on your Air Lift? I am debating between Air Lift or Firestone. Thanks for the wonderful videos.

[@EpicCowlick]

It's a great system and zero problems to report. I trailered about 6,000 miles this year and it never failed or even hiccupped once. No leaks in the connections either. I expected to have to find a leak or two by now but no problem there either. I can't compare the Firestone compressor and valves as I have not used them.

[@AM-kc3xg]

Do you have the part or item number for the unit / compressor you placed on your truck?

[@EpicCowlick]

The compressor/wireless control is universal and works the same on all makes/models. The the AirLift 72000 kit and a link is in the video description. The airbags of course are specific to any given truck. I put links to the airbags for 2011-2016 and 2017 Super Dutys.

[@AM-kc3xg]

Thank you so very much.

[@matthewjames2235]

How’s the ride quality? F350 6.75’ SRW? I’m trying to decide if I should step up to a 350 instead of the 250?!?

[@EpicCowlick]

I love the ride but that's pretty subjective. I think it's better than years past. Best thing is to go test drive one with the tires not filled to max and see what you think.

[@justintaylor6980]

Are you going to do another DPF back exhaust on this one or no

[@EpicCowlick]

No plans to right now. The 2011 really hissed when under hard acceleration but this one does not. There's no need to correct the exhaust note on this 2017.

[@northerniltree]

Those "push in" air line manifold connections I'm sure are airtight, but don't you inflate the bags and soap spray them before you'd call it a day with the install? And, what kind of donut was that?

[@79xlch]

We just traded out a Ram that had factory air bags. They were automatic on inflation and deflation, is there a aftermarket system to install on our new F-250 that is automatic

[@EpicCowlick]

This system automatically adjusts to whatever pressure the driver sets it at. I set it at 85 psi for my trailer and it holds that same pressure until I set it back to 5 psi when unloaded.

[@79xlch]

@@EpicCowlick Just got back from getting mud flaps and bug visor. The store said close guess is $1500.00 for automatic bags. The Ram spoiled us on that feature. Hook up or sit something in the bed and 15 seconds later the trucks picks itself up then after unloading it deflates itself. Will see how it totes the load first. Bumper pull did great the 34' gooseneck did ok empty, will have to load the horses up and see.

[@steventurner83]

Why did you choose the 5000 ultimate and not the 7500 series bags? Just asking cause I have a Chevy 3500 and can’t decide.

[@EpicCowlick]

The 7600 wasn't available at the time for this truck. it's also quite massive in comparison and overkill for my needs. The 5000 is working great and the internal jounce bumper is a great capability. I needed that on a trip when the little compressor failed.

[@steventurner83]

EpicCowlick thanks for the info I’ll probably do the 5000 ultimate as well. I enjoy your videos.

[@darrylm3627]

A Dually would help control😀

[@EpicCowlick]

But it would keep from going through drive-throughs... ;)

[@darrylm3627]

😃👍

[@marksjunction69]

Do you have to cut the bottom of the manifold to allow it to drain? My looks sealed.

[@marksjunction69]

I'm getting a Block error

[@EpicCowlick]

Nothing to cut. The pointy part has to be perfectly vertical and pointed down. Water drips out of the hole.

[@DJKiDDKlashez]

what is the towing capacity for the new f350's??

[@EpicCowlick]

Depends on what you're asking. Pin weight max? GVWR? GCWR? Max towing conventional? Max with 5th wheel or gooseneck? To make it even more complex the trim level on each truck changes the numbers as well. Google 2017 Ford Super Duty Towing Specs and there's some documents put out by Ford.

[@benitorodriguez2965]

A lot of dudes will tell you that a dual tire axel truck is needed to pull a rig like that. What are your thoughts on it other than the fact that it doesn't seem like you believe that to be true?

[@EpicCowlick]

If all I needed the truck for was to pull the trailer, a dually would be fine. But I need the truck for plenty of other duties where a dually would be a pain or completely usuitable. I can load the trailer to be under specs in every category except GVWR. If the axles on the trailer were slightly forward of their current mountings I would be under on that also. I won't keep this trailer forever and the next one I can choose more carefully.

[@steverodrigues6282]

How much space do you have between your fifth wheel and bed when your bags have air? Thank you!!

[@EpicCowlick]

The airbags don't change those distances. They are determined by the fifth wheel hitch and bed height. My B&W companion that uses the Ford 5th wheel prep puts my trailer at 7-8 inches clearance. Airbags determine the distance between the rear wheel and the bed.

[@steverodrigues6282]

Thank you for the response. Reason why I was asking, is because I have those same bags on my chevy 2500 and I have about 6.5 inches of clearence. And my toyhauler doesn't sit level with the rear sitting lower. I guess I'll look into lifting the trailer a little but I'm worried about going to high and hitting over passes. What's that total height of your trailer?

[@EpicCowlick]

My trailer has had the axles flipped which raised the trailer total height 4 inches. You can see from the video that I need every inch of that with my truck having 37 inch tires and the new higher bed rails. The part of the video where it flips images between inflated and deflated is pretty cool. My trailer is actually nose-down when the airbags are deflated. It's perfectly level inflated. The total height on the trailer after the axle flip is 13 feet 6 inches which is up there. I do have to pay attention to clearance signs at gas stations and in-town overpasses. It's never been a problem but I am in the habit of looking.

[@steverodrigues6282]

Thank you so much for the response. I have a toyhauler that's sits 13.4 already and it came with the axle flipped already. I need to look into raising it though to get it level and to get more bed clearence between my fifth wheel and bed rails. But like u said I am very concerned about that overall height. Thank you.

[@BlazeBlackwing]

Any idea what the pin weight of your trailer is?

[@EpicCowlick]

It can be up to 3,600 lbs depending on how the trailer is loaded. Maybe a bit more but heavy by any measurement.

[@royallen9698]

I know it's been a while, but how long did it take you to install everything?

[@EpicCowlick]

It was probably the equivalent of a day over a couple of day. Installing the parts is really just a few hours. A lot of time is spent thinking through things before actually doing it. 2nd time around would be an easy 4 hours or so.

[@royallen9698]

@@EpicCowlick thanks and sorry for the late response.

[@greghanley6541]

How much would a local store charge to install it?

[@EpicCowlick]

As much as they can. It's the American way. I suspect the range is pretty wide. $300-$600 ish.

[@zfilmmaker]

I'm thinking of installing the Air Lift, which kit did you all do...5000 or 7500? Any regrets?

[@EpicCowlick]

I did the 5000 Ultimate with the built-in jounce bumpers. The 7500 wasn't available at the time but they look cool. They are larger so they will have a different installation proccess.

[@zfilmmaker]

Is the 7500 worth it on a F250/350? I'm thinking of installing air bags on my F250, I special ordered it with the high capacity towing package which gives me the same Dana's as the F350 and same towing/payload capacity.

[@EpicCowlick]

Your F250 will be great. There's just no need to go over the 5000 lb rating of the 5000 Ultimate springs. Try to imagine a situation where you're going to put more than 5,000 lbs on the back of your F250. It's not going to happen. I really think the 7500 line will be more useful in heavier duty applications.

[@zfilmmaker]

I looked at the specs of both and saw a SEMA video for the 7500...it would be overkill on the F250/350. I think its more for F450 and up. Maybe F550 and up. The bags are enormous. Thanks for the video and advice!

[@jehlybean636]

Are you planning on mounting a compressor and tank onto this truck? I have the F250 version of your truck and I can't find a solid place to mount the tank!

[@EpicCowlick]

I am planning to do that and I can't believe I've waited this long. It's been a busy summer.

[@jehlybean636]

Thanks for replying. I am looking at the 20020 from Viair, but with the auto step boards it limits the area where it can be mounted! Thanks again, can't wait for some updates.

[@Regal2800]

what size tires do you have on the truck? did you notice a loss of power from stock sized tires?

[@EpicCowlick]

These are Toyo RT 37/12.50/20 and yes they are quite a bit larger than the factory tires. I intended to get 35s but when I learned 37s would fit, I went that direction. It's really hard to tell the impact from the driver seat. I just got back from towing that big trailer over the same route I puled on Utah Highway 6 for years and I can report that this truck with 37s is quite a bit stronger than the 2011 with 35s. I suppose if I had 35s on the new truck it would feel peppier? Who knows? It's a tow monster as it is so I'm happy.

[@toddevans973]

I'm facing the same decisions on my new 350 Platinum. I went with 35" BFG's because my 2013 drove horrible with 37" on OEM rims--it was a white knuckle experience, so I had to go back to 35's. How does your truck drive/handle with the 37's on OEM rims? Is there a major difference in handling? I really like that set-up on yours!

[@EpicCowlick]

Interesting you say it was a white knuckle experience. It is incredibly stable and predictable and even better than my previous 2011. I only got the 37's because I get off road a fair amount and enjoy the extra clearance but I also like the aesthetics. So far so good for me.

[@Regal2800]

I have 35's but im thinking of dropping to stock height 33s. There is a difference in power between stock and 35s. i really wonder what it would be like on 37s... Im just hesitant because i also go off road every couple months.

[@EpicCowlick]

Factory tires are almost 3 inches so that is pretty close to factory. I think 33's would look kind of silly on such a truck.

[@babybullsmith001]

Does the compressor comes with the kit?

[@EpicCowlick]

It is included. Be sure to mount it where water can't get to it.

[@charlesprince1435]

You have a beautiful truck, but a trailer that big needs a daully. That's why they make them.

[@EpicCowlick]

I agree. Too bad the sub-urban world isn't made for duallys. A dually would be perfect when towing but a pain everywhere else for my use.

[@JasonLee-qj8ts]

The top plate mounting with those tiny Clips doesn't seem particularly secure

[@TeuvoJones]

Not sure what you're referring to. Are you talking about the little screws to mount the compressor?

[@JasonLee-qj8ts]

@@TeuvoJones no those little clips that go into the frame at the top plate of the airbag he lost one of them in the frame temporarily.

[@TeuvoJones]

@@JasonLee-qj8ts Right. Auto manufacturers have been using them for a while. It's a convenient way to hold a nut in a location where you can't get a wrench on it. They seem to be working.