Intel Arrow Lake Cinebench 1T Leak | Nintendo Switch 2 Update

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[@jlrockafella]

Do you think these new cpus coming out are more focused on A.I. instead of gaming and that is why their performance does not transfer? I have noticed this with amd 9000 series and now confirmed with intel admitted the same with their IPC gains.

[@RuruLaRuru]

KZbin will be rolling out a super like thing on videos soon bro. It will boost smaller channels

[@asmongoldsmouth9839]

*I noticed the picture of the new Switch PCB has the cart reader setup for being soldered directly on the mainboard. So, maybe just a first version? I'm not sure. Also, the PCB picture shows 19 pins for the cartridge reader. The current Switch uses 17. If this is the current layout for the new system's cart reader, it most likely will NOT be backwards compatible. The pinout and the cartridge data paths won't match.*

[@TabalugaDragon]

The only thing I don't like about these chargers is how heavily they are marketed for iPhones. USB C isn't Apple property, no idea why so many people act like it is. Especially since Apple refused to use it in their iPhones up until EU forced them to. Most devices are still non-Apple and I would be interested in these if they weren't aimed at Apple users so heavily. And switch 3 will have what? 24 gigs when 32 will be the minimum for modern gaming at that time?

[@WayStedYou]

I cant believe the amount of people saying its dual screens when it's clearly the old switch vs new switch screen size

[@jackofthecoke]

The hopium's unreal for sure.

[@CHutch-w2u]

My source says that it's a triple screen fold out to 14". Oh yah and twice as fast as PlayStation 6. Yah 6. Nvidia is just giving them away with a smile

[@CHutch-w2u]

Gamers can be so gullible

[@JoaoRyanPlim]

"It isn't a dual screen by design. A second console can be attached to act as a secondary screen. The same thing can be done using the TV. Mimicking the WiiU." Source: voices inside my head 😂

[@GPReeds]

It actually has no screen but you can buy one and attach it via the second usb-c. 🕺

[@Anthulhu]

The Switch OLED has the exact same kick stand with the notch on it, so I doubt it is any sort of design to help with cooling. It would be cool if they implemented something like that though.

[@miles5186]

but its larger so I mean heat dissipation will be better at least

[@samson7294]

@@miles5186 im just excited that Nintendo is finally delivering a relatively powerful console. I mean, it's comparable to Xbox's entry level console and its a handheld with that sweet DLSS magic. It's to the point where we can see some impressive 3rd party ports. Maybe even a GTA 6??? I'm sure Nintendo will want that system seller and GTA 6 at what? 720p in handheld mode? Sure it will be 30 FPS. Maybe an unstable 30 but it' s exciting. Reminds me of the power of the GameCube.

[@mariuspuiu9555]

is it though? it's pretty clear that it will once again underperform and limit games heavily.

[@syferz]

The CAD files are mock ups by an artist, if you look at the joycons and the real picture of the joycons, you can see that the artist doesn't detail the connector or the guides for the magnets like it visible on the actual joycons. The CAD files are helpful for size and basic details, but not helpful beyond that since they are "fake" in that they are professionally made mock ups from details given to the artist. The pictures of the actual device are what leaked here.

[@TakisEnjoyer]

It has the same back as OLED because you can't see the back on leaked images, artist who did cad mock-ups had to improvise

[@RolandOuellette]

You said 5 watts and no fan needed while handheld. Put the fan into the dock! That would be really clever. The space that the fan takes up could be all fins and sink a lot of heat into the massive amounts of air that an external fan could supply.

[@endame90]

I like what Im hearing about switch 2. I like that they priotitize battery life and reserve all the power for dock, I think that's a good approach.

[@TheSnipingSnake]

we are so back

[@samson7294]

finally some excitement!!! Papa Mario is back!

[@Paulmolive08]

First time in over a decade where I'm rooting for Intel to succeed

[@kotztotz3530]

Fr, AMD be acting like old Intel nowadays .

[@Frozoken]

​@kotztotz3530 exactly idk how that's still lost on so many people. Not that it should be surprising either that the bigger company is less pro consumer. Then again some amd fans have them hailed as an altruistic saviours for gsmers and not a soulless mega corporation.

[@low_etc]

AMD is nowhere near how shady Intel is.

[@aznhomig]

We should always be rooting for viable competition. None of these big tech companies are our friends and we should hope that there's at least viable competition for whatever is the leading tech of the time.

[@IgnacioGouk]

@@low_etc Because they can't

[@svee7597]

This is my favorite channel for leaks. Always on point and no bullshit.

[@samson7294]

He's been on point lately. PS5 Pro, Switch 2, etc. I just like the drama of it all and how it keeps tech news interesting and fun to talk about with fellow nerds. Really excited about this Switch 2. The system is probably Nintendo's most relatively powerful system since the GameCube (their best console ever. FIGHT ME!)

[@svee7597]

@@samson7294 you’re awesome. GameCube is my favorite console. For real.

[@samson7294]

@@svee7597 a fellow man of culture, i see! lol! Hope you get one on launch!

[@Akkbar21]

I was dubious for awhile, but he’s pretty damn good.

[@necnotv1683]

Smart move by Nintendo, the Steam Deck is way too heavy especially for kids

[@saricubra2867]

I have a kid's hands basically (too small) and i hate the Switch's joycons.

[@Krossfyre]

Yeah, I hate the weight of the Steam Deck. It's a lot more fatiguing than a Switch.

[@raeesrichards6786]

Ngl, after having a Wii U: when I first tried it, it felt...to lightweight.

[@samson7294]

@@raeesrichards6786 Yeah, I feel you. The Switch always felt like a toy to me after the Wii U. I felt like I was going to break it every time I died in Breath of The Wild.

[@robertjif6337]

yeah, and the battery life, man.. it's so bad

[@douglasmurphy3266]

I think the delays with the Switch will give it a custom tegra chip that, while still Ampere based, will support advanced DLSS, framegen, and some level of neural texture compression. This is the only way they can manage another 7 year product lifespan.

[@KoolAidManOG]

The way they manage a seven year product lifespan is with their software development teams, same way they did it with the Switch. The Switch is heading into its eighth year into being the best selling console of all time despite being slower than an iPhone SE. If Switch 2 can run eighth-gen/ninth-gen cross-platform games (which is 99% of new games) then they'll be fine. Ninth-gen being a bust is in Nintendo's favor. As long as a game can run on PS4 Pro or Series S it can be ported to Switch 2.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

@@KoolAidManOG All very true. My point is that a delay of one year could correlate to 2 or 3 more years of life cycle though compared to releasing similarly speced hardware without leveraging upscaling (which is for sure the case now) and framegen (a feature nvidia limits to Ada, but even MLID's leak states the tegra chip already completed has some extra goodies) The thing I doubt about his leaker is that they would release in Q1 of 2025 something that was completed in late 2022 with no further revisions. I'm saying they delay this long, that product is being revised. This is a product whose failure will be measured at 50 million units and success at over 80 million. AMD just spilled the beans on FSR4 using framegen as a battery saving measure. I can't see a Switch 2 coming out without that already being leveraged and AMD being the follower.

[@samson7294]

@@douglasmurphy3266 Man! I really hope it gets jailbroken. Not for piracy reasons (i have a modded Switch that I dump all my purchased Nintendo games onto my PC). I would really love to see the inner workings. Like what features are in there that Nintendo won't be leveraging or using t o it's full capabilities.

[@byte-bg4ob]

You are delusional

[@superior96]

​@@samson7294being able to OC it while undocked and run it at 10w instead of 5w would be pretty nice at times, you'd get a big performance boost.

[@Waldoe16]

I think Zen4 will still be competing hard against Arrow lake and Zen5

[@lightward9487]

Nah hahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂

[@darreno1450]

The X3D chips will be competing for gaming. I expect the 7800X3D to still beat AL in some games.

[@lelouchabrilvelda1794]

​@@lightward9487Yes the 7800x3d is the king of gaming.

[@tyoung319]

X3d in gaming, nothing else really. Intel pulls away in workloads in their price segment. The 13600kf gives similar performance to the 9700x in workloads, meaning the 245(i think thats the i5 lol) will see gains above that. The 265 will likely be near the top of MT performance and sit under the X3d in gaming while beating the none 3XD chips like we have typically seen. if the 7950X is still $500ish thats a tough sell. The 7700x at $250 is more attractive, but still a tough sell depending how much the I5 is.

[@nipa5961]

Looks like ARL won't even catch up to Zen 4. So AMD will keep competing with themselves only.

[@BlackHand531]

Hopefully nintendo announces this soon

[@TracksideViews]

Tom will have a full beard or mustache again in a week

[@RunkkuRusina]

If you put your ear next to his chin, you can hear the beard growing.

[@Tyuwhebsg]

this switch 2 is so much more exciting than ps5 pro

[@Ronny999x]

For Nintendo's wallet maybe.... Cheapening out on Ram again...

[@willjohnboy]

A new system over a refresh of course

[@PollenSniffer101]

@@Ronny999x They got the fastest RAM for the Switch 2 according to specs.

[@bluetech2809]

Honestly if the Switch 2 lets me play BOTW at full 1080p 60fps (or even upscaled to 4K using DLSS) then that would keep me busy for a while.

[@currywurst2434]

@@Ronny999x 12 gb seems ok for mobile console hardware. I mean it will have more ram available for games than Xbox Series S.

[@Hey1234Hey]

A bit concerned about the power draw of Arrowlake. I think they are going to be TSMC chips this time so maybe the power efficiency will be actually good? Idk. 65 to 95 watts would be nice.

[@Frozoken]

65-95w for what part though? 16 or 24 high performance cores just ain't doing that. The 9950x pulls like 230w under full load too

[@douglasmurphy3266]

I don't think any of the previous core cpus were inefficient silicon, they just chose to push them beyond what was reasonable which on the efficiency curve is in the mad overclocker territory. You require twice to thrice the energy and cooling capacity for sometimes less than 10% gains. They still had 65W and 35W versions of Raptor Lake. They actually perform amazingly well considering the node disadvantage they trapped themselves in. The inefficiency was merely any means necessary to score benchmark victories over Ryzen 9

[@tyoung319]

They chopped 100-50W across the whole line, but yes they canceled 20A node and are going with TSMC for these. Next chance for intel's fab is 18A, which may land in late 2026 to consumers.

[@judgeees]

@@tyoung319 Will the 18a have the same socket or will we have to replace our mobo's? Anyone know if they tried to fix the ILM issue , heard it's the same problem with mounting pressure for AIO's... i have a 12900k but have a hobby/passion for upgrading - if I see 15-20% performance bump, I'd be tempted to upgrade. I game, but I also do content creation using max, and adobe programs. Even with a 420 aio, I was always nervous about heat and throttling issues. Thoughts?

[@Mrorlgloth]

And Oxidation ??

[@vicctretamaj]

Pray this is all real honestly, it sounds like a banger handheld and I’m curious how well it will do If it’s named Switch 2 or just looks like a larger switch, I wonder how well it will sell.

[@phillemon7664]

It should sell well considering Sony does this exact same marketing tactic and sells crazy units

[@darkfeeels]

Intel needs to be more efficient and reliable not just more powerful. AMD knew it early in CPUs while Nvidia knew early with GPUs. With switch, Nvidia also might be willing to go just breakeven to stay into a console market because they've lost the war with Playstation and Xbox. They will keep continue to use AMD due to backwards compatibility issues.

[@FMBriggs]

Nvidia Will never be in an xbox or playstation (again) because the profit margins on those chips are too low. With the switch its a tiny little chip and its nintendo so people will pay through the nose.

[@terribletimes902]

@@FMBriggsYou think we’ll ever see another Nvidia Shield?

[@darkfeeels]

@@FMBriggs No one likes not making money. Nvidia made a bid for PS6, they lost.

[@davidlt]

Console chips are a steady high-volume long-term income for AMD, I guess. PS5 already sold 61.7 million units and Xbox Series X and S 28.3 million units. Overall AMD probably delivered 100+ million chips for these generation consoles. Margins are probably lower on these due to high volume nature. PS5 was announced in 2019 and launched 2020. They will probably be cooking the same chip for 5-10 years in large quantities.

[@Mrorlgloth]

Microsoft could switched to Snapdragon x series to increased number game on windows ARM .

[@robertjif6337]

I'm so hyped for switch 2, I hope the battery life can stay 3-5 hours for demanding games, my rog ally last like 50 minutes .. bet AMD is salty about that, switch sold like coffee everywhere

[@byte-bg4ob]

It's gonna last 2 hours for really demanding games.

[@Decrazy123]

Thank you so much was eagerly waiting for this

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

Yesss Tom!! I asked and I have received!! I’ll be joining patreon to further support this channel and news breaking leaks that other channels are late to the game on! Keep it up!!

[@pool842]

Tom be breaking the internet every goddamn day with his leaks. Let's goooo!!!

[@phawxhunter]

About the Switch 2 cooling, the dock will probably have a small fan(s) similar to gaming phones like the ROG Phone, that's the only explanation I can see for hitting that much higher clock speed when docked while being just as slim as the original Switch.

[@thecrispyacorn]

Do we think they will have two types of consoles on release? LCD and OLED? I really want an OLED screen

[@BlackHand531]

Doubt it. Nintendi likes midgen refreshes for portables.

[@godnamedtay]

Won’t be oled screen. Unless u want to pay 500-600.

[@Frey_64]

@@godnamedtay Yaeah I rather they go for lcd and keep it about 400$

[@KoolAidManOG]

Wouldn't be surprised if its using the same LCD as the PS Portal, dimensions and resolution specs are the same, etc

[@jarde1989]

@@godnamedtay A 7” OLED doesn’t cost $100 It’s like $15 Manufacturing cost BUT Nintendo will withhold it specifically to use it in a refresh

[@aquapendulum]

Literally don't care for Intel's benchmark performance until we see its real-world failure rate.

[@dankmemes3153]

Its using tsmc just like amd

[@abowden556]

It's probably going to be fine, it wasn't rushed like raptor lake and it's a totally different design. Still, people will distrust them anyway and they only have themselves to blame. If AMD didn't reach historic levels of fumbling the bag, stumbling at the last hurdle etc they would be screwed.

[@Frozoken]

You could also just stop it from running at over 1.6 volts yourself and guarantee that it's safe. Do you people not remember that amd had to cap voltages on zen 4 to 1.3v because going much higher was literally lighting them up yet yall are somehow suprised RPL was degrading to failure eventually with wayyy higher voltages. I'm suprised they lasted remotely that long. Itd be like running ur cpu at 115°C

[@tyoung319]

We haven't seen any data showing mass failures, the narrow data we have seen showed even "defective" intel 13/14th gen having a lower failure rate than AMD. I would take that with a grain of salt, but with 40M cpus sold last year, we would see it more out in the open if it were some mass wide spread issue.

[@nipa5961]

Wait at least 12 months before even considering ARL.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

My hope is Arrow Lake really crushes Zen 5 so AMD knows they can't get complacent like Intel did back in the Sandy Bridge years.

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

It does seem arrow lake would be intel's saving grace this year. Better single threaded performance than ryzen 9000 series, and yeah, it depends also on gaming performance, so I'll wait for actual testing from reviewers

[@Refreshment01]

Here for the switch comments. So we had a supposed leak & no news about a ginmick?

[@damienlobb85]

I would argue a bigger, more important reason for going with nVidia, was back compat

[@tstager1978]

Its TSMC 3nm so it should have better ST. I still think the 9800x3d will be faster.

[@DeviatorBytes]

Intel needs to be more efficient and reliable not just more powerful.

[@saricubra2867]

2000 points at 4.5GHz? My Alder Lake i7-12700K reaches 1952 at 4.7GHz. Arrow Lake looks like a flop to me.

[@tyoung319]

Difference is 4.7ghz is near the top for 12700k, and you are missing 8 cores in MT. Stock 12700k is on GB6 at 2500/13000. That is significantly lower than the 3400/20000+ we have seen leaked at stock or under stock settings from the 265k. If there is any OC overhead, add another 5-10%.

[@Peter.H.A.Petersen]

@@tyoung319 So in a video about IPC and single thread, you think 8 missing cores and OC overhead is relevant?

[@xsvrrx]

funny becausr the most common switch cases/mods are ones that make it bulky so it feels better in my hands

[@AvocadoAfficionado]

For those of us old enough to remember the game gear, this isn't the first time Nintendo has stuck to this approach.

[@rapzid3536]

The story about AMDs bid and power consumption sounds like somebody who was privy to a particular discussion or set of interactions but perhaps did not have the full picture. I find it extremely hard to believe AMD ever had more than a moon shot. Nintendo already has an good relationship with NVidia on their most successful console ever. A console they were wanting to just iterate on. You don't change a horse mid stream, and changing architectures would have seriously complicated backwards compatibility efforts. As well, NVidia was getting their first DLSS denoiser test results in around the time the Switch Pro evaporated and the NVidia chip rumored to run it was cancelled. I would bet money NVidia was sharing early results with Nintendo, and Nintendo VERY MUCH wanted the AI upscaling tech for their next handheld. PSSR will be AMDs first response to DLSS, but Nintendo will be getting proven DLSS and RT in a handheld!

[@jackskalski3699]

I just hope they solve the controller lag. I can especially feel it in broforce.

[@j340_official]

I’m here early. Arrow lake is coming !

[@HarryVoyager]

9:35 Also, don't forget, Nintendo's central audience is kids. And children simply do not have the strength of adults. A heavy handheld, and the player is going to run out of battery before the console does.

[@StonerShaman]

great update!

[@technerd5489]

Those notches are usually where the speakers are.

[@Lordxfx]

I'm just glad I can finally make the final building plans for my DAW-Wintel z890 system. Time to ditch the i7-7700K. : ))

[@ZAcharyIndy]

whoa, you taking a massive leap then 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

Damn that's a big leap, It will feel awesome unlike upgrading every gen. I went from Haswell to Alder Lake, Skipped 6 generations and it was so good where you notice it, Before that I used to upgrade nearly every generation.

[@Lordxfx]

@@ShaneMcGrath. : )) True that, now a days I let DAW-environment dictate the upgrade speed. The latest generation audio plugins is finally getting the Kaby Lake on its needs. As my systems are on the whole day I really decided to skip 13 and 14 gen. The power baseline was just to high to my taste.

[@N4CR]

@@ZAcharyIndy Me: 2600k > 7800X3D xD

[@Charlymander]

Just 5 watts on handheld mode is insane. The original Switch (1.1 Mariko chip) had already really really good battery life for a handheld and it was very light and comfortable, it didnt get hot at all. I don't see why make it less than that required, and you cant have too much difference between handheld and docked because the game still has to look similar in some way and perform about the same otherwise it would feel weird to lets say play 30fps in handheld and 60fps in docked.

[@Loundsify]

Docked will be aiming for higher resolutions so frame rates will likely be the same targets unless a Dev has targeted for 60fps from the beginning. E.g prince of Persia style.

[@hhectorlector]

Your last timestamp is messed up (“11:0 7”) fyi

[@SalveMonesvol]

If nintendo can manage, in docked mode, >PS4 Pro GPU performance and 2X Ps4 CPU performance, I think it would be a waste to go with 12gb of ram instead of 16GB, which would make it look much closer to current gen machines, maybe even getting ahead of Series X in a few scenarios. Then, in portable mode, cutting gpu clocks to 1/3rd and memory/cpu clocks to 1/2 might be just enough to keep it >= Xbox One. I think CPU speed will become extremely important for GPU heavy titles, as image reconstruction works much better with higher framerates. You can easily get 1080p from 540p at 120fps without visible artifacts, or even convincing 4k from 720p 120fps.

[@Loundsify]

I've done some comparisons from specs of the RTX 2050 and the RX 6500 XT and I'll be honest the switch won't be anywhere near the PS4 pro, it'll get close due to DLSS but in raw raster it won't be anywhere near and be closer to a PS4 with DLSS capabilities.

[@anona3504]

I pray some 3rd party probes the map out of the screen at launch and offers a OLED mod. I only wish to buy the switch 2 once. Giving Nintendo money is so hard with how they manage their ips and consoles.

[@fabianisensee3744]

What if - hear me out - the switch 2 does not come with a fan in the handheld but has a fan in the dock that cools is when in docked mode. This is what the opening on the back could be for

[@godnamedtay]

I’ll take 12-15%. With all things considered that arrow lake is bringing, much lower tdp, better ram speeds and memory latency. I’m happy with that tbh.

[@Tuhar]

Any updates on the 9000 series x3d series? Why the delay? Are they still overclockable? Any chance at faster infinity fabric?

[@kelvinjinxd]

AMD doesn’t know how to be no.1. AMD wants to see the performance of arrow lake and price the x3D chip accordingly.

[@godnamedtay]

@@kelvinjinxdno, not gonna happen.

[@AleraKira]

​@@kelvinjinxdNo! First dies always go to EPYC and then Ryzen and then enough stock is given to X3D packaging and finally enough stock is built up to create retail channels. There is always a delay to X3D release.

[@tyoung319]

@@AleraKira Least bought sku that needs the highest binning, gaming is pretty niche compared to server and workstation needs. But the get the best chips of the batches, great if you are a gamer.

[@nipa5961]

@@kelvinjinxd That's what I'm afraid of. If Intel disappoints again the 9800X3D will be $500+

[@danielgrezda3339]

Well, guess I have to wait for switch 2 to get homebrewed so I can get proper performance.

[@flimermithrandir]

Well. I will assume the Switch 2 will use more than 5 Watts. The APU sure… the whole System however… different Story. The (V)RAM needs Power too, the Controller as well. The Board too. I will assume that’s why Nintendo said 5Watts for the SOC.

[@rtyzxc]

I'm predicting fan on the switch 2 dock

[@houdini329]

Nice hair, keep it that way man. Suits you

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Arrow Lake looks to be good and not gimped on DDR5 speed either. I can't wait to see 285K/265K vs 9800X3D and first then, I will make my decision. Unless Arrow Lake is a slam dunk then I probably won't wait another 3+ months for 9800X3D because I don't really think it will be faster than 10-15% over 7800X3D in gaming and 25% in applications.

[@Cinetyk]

5W? I'm concerned about the performance being bad in handheld mode, and also the performance gulf between that and docked. We shall see.

[@Loundsify]

It'll be able to display switch 1 games docked performance in handheld

[@danieloberhofer9035]

These performance estimates for ARL are frankly disappointing considering it's a jump from Intel 7 (RLR) to TSMC N3B (ARL), alongside a much more advanced packaging compared to Zen. This does not bode well for Intel's margins.

[@grtitann7425]

And after we finally escaped the Intel decade of BS, why are we so happy to have them back on top? We deserve all the crap that we get from these anticonsumer corporations.

[@amartinez97]

Because there needs to be competition to prevent another decade of stagnation or else AMD will become complacent to.

[@grtitann7425]

@@amartinez97 first, we haven't scaped Intel yet, but people make it sound like AMD already has a 90% market share in the CPU market and already forgave all of Intel illegal actions and anticonsumer things they did to us and AMD. Second, talking about 90% market share, how come nobody is doing their part (buying AMD gpus) instead of bending over to Ngreedia? Competition my behind, it only matters when it's your favorite company losing.

[@Blingchachink]

I like the new music in the beginning mr

[@Djtrancescape]

You are claiming about performance with Series S, but isn't DLSS & Raytracing a big deal as well. Both are better then what ps5 has as well. Not to forget the more modern chip

[@Loundsify]

There's is no way in hell the tiny amount of SMs in the Switch 2 will even be as fast as the PS5 imo. The desktop 3050 is about on par with RT performance of the RX 6600 XT (roughly a PS5) so how the hell do you think an GPU half of the desktop 3050 will be able to do RT and PS4 pro level graphics.

[@Frizzly007]

What I want to know is what type of expansion slot will it have? No one has even mentioned a micro so slot. And will the cartridge slot take current carts?

[@DatAsianDude]

Nintendo: Good Games, Gimped Hardware, and Gimped Graphics.

[@konstaNa]

Comment for alg. Thank you for the info, man

[@darreno1450]

Unless AL's architecture benefits more from Windows 24H2 than RL did, I don't see a firm win for AL in gaming yet. In fact, I don't see at all over X3D.

[@tyoung319]

Without a cache bump it probably wont happen. I market segment wise designing chips specifically for gamers is bad idea. Intel needs to see solid productivity gains with a power shave, which it looks like thats what we will get. Lot more people will buy a $300-500 cpu for work than they will for gaming, when strapped for cash focusing on you core is good.

[@nipa5961]

According to leaks ARL won't even catch up to the 7800X3D. So AMD won't have any competition for years.

[@mikemuponda1781]

I get it some people really want high docked perfomance but personally if portable mode doesnt get that much of a bump for me then the console is not as attractive since docked isnt a priority. I am hoping for steamdeck-ish level perfomance on the go.

[@esra_erimez]

I do like clean shaven Tom better

[@KillaGorilla-l7z]

Intel is always faking their stats, can’t say that even about zen5.

[@Decki777]

Arrow lake will support ddr5 10000mhz so it'll beat AMD 3D Vache CPUs cinebench score means nothing for gaming 7800x3d has less cinebench score then 7950x but it performs in games significantly faster than 7950x

[@soiltek2015]

Great video, as always

[@mikeb3172]

Makes you wonder if you can run youtube/web browser on 5W, plus 2D games only.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Algorithm Appeasing Alliteration!

[@PurpleWarlock]

I wonder what this Amd chip offer for Nintendo means for portables like the Deck 2.

[@Akkbar21]

Intel is back? 🎉

[@kerotomas1]

What is Arrow Lake's node process size? 4nm?

[@RafitoOoO]

Kinda early for your standards, Tom, but I'll take it lol.

[@lucimon97]

Any chance that Nintendo gets the fully enabled chips and NVIDIA takes the failing ones and puts them in a new Shield TV? I love my Shield and I think it is STILL the best set top box but Maxwell is getting real old. I think the market for a new Shield is there, I just don’t know that the NVIDIA of today can be bothered with such a low volume product.

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

Mlid has no idea what he's talking about, that's why it's so easy to give him hilariously bunk nonsense and he makes videos on it. Anyone who is remotely hardware literate will have a brain hemorrhage hearing his nonsense about a system using ampere at 5 watts on 8nm beating a 15 watt Phoenix. That's a 3x power draw difference and only a 2x fp32 alu count difference, that match doesn't clear. The nvn2 documentation released by the lapsu$ ransom attack had portable profile tests of the t239 over 5 watts. The switch 2 gpu ga10f is specifically stated by Nvidia to be supported by Nvidia drive and vulkan sc (for automotive), that's probably where bins will go.

[@lucimon97]

@@Nobody-sp7ug if he’s full of shit and not worth the time of day, what are you doing here? Genuinely curious

[@ZAcharyIndy]

the biggest mistake Intel did, was back in 2020 when TSMC already have 5nm process they dont take it and instead keep using their 14nm+++ and 10nm++. that 5nm was used by Apple wiht its M1 series then. from the business perspective Intel is jumping from 10nm all the way to 3nm, but remember 3nm here is TSMC owned. at the fab perspective , Intel is actually JUMPING from 10nm to 2nm or 1.8nm. the process that they made their own. such a HUGE LEAP

[@tyoung319]

Intel has had to protect their fab which is considered a US nat. defense asset. Sounds like they will spin the fab off on its own so intel can make better choices for intel like you noted.

[@ZAcharyIndy]

@@tyoung319 yes you're right

[@papu90]

No, meteor lake is 7nm.

[@ZAcharyIndy]

@@papu90 oh you are right! Its intel4 which is mean 7nm

[@mingyi456]

Why does everyone keep disregarding intel's new naming scheme for their nodes? Alder lake and even tiger lake were competent with zen 3, so it is absolutely fair for intel to rename their "10 nm superfin" node to intel 7.

[@flyingcheesecake3725]

they should just go for a little bit thicker device but put like 70-80wh battery. smh

[@celdur4635]

what if they are using one of those fancy new fans that don't use fans?

[@terribletimes902]

Idk what you are talking about but anything described as “fancy new” will not be in any Nintendo handheld lol.

[@perfidious333]

@@terribletimes902this statement is too accurate.

[@flimermithrandir]

I know what you mean and I thought they may use it (when I first heard of them). Maybe there is some sort of drawback like to much Powerdraw or they just can’t make enough yet. It would make Sense imo but yeah.

[@aussiemanreacts]

Yeah but the gamer bros will still love AMD and hate on intel regardless, They (Intel) have to do alot to turn the tide...

[@Meton2526]

What is an alot?

[@aussiemanreacts]

@@Meton2526 Not sure buddy, I'm not an engineer. But they are going to have to do something to respond to AMDs x3d platform because until then, the gamers have spoken.... Or are you just being smart due to a typo? if so, kindly fk off.

[@tyoung319]

@@Meton2526 Splitting their Fab off into its own business which has held them back for years. Intel the CPU company had to make the best choice for Intel Fab company. They don't have the choice of going TSMC and letting the fab die. It took a decade and new CEO for AMD to turn around after they split from GF in 08, people seem to forget or not know about the "bulldozer era" where non K sku i5s walked all over their top "fake 8 core" (they got sued and lost over this). Lisa has done a great job of turning AMD around, but they are still catching up outside gaming in both performance and market share. 9000 series is semi competitive with 13th gen, thats 2+ years old and a slapped together program to cover delays in what we have now. AMD has 30k employees, Intel has 110K (after shedding 10k this year) including the foundry. The two company's have very different dynamics and challenges.

[@asmongoldsmouth9839]

I'm a gamer. But I'm not a bro. I'm a man. I have a 14700K system. 8 p-cores, 24 threads at 5.6GHz. Zero degredation issues. Because I went into my BIOS, and set the parameters. Ie: fixed the wattage to 253 watts (as the spec sheet for the processor states is the max power). I locked all cores. And I have a top notch AiO. Why did I go Intel? Because Intel chipsets and motherboards are LEAGUES ahead of AMD. AMD CPUs may have an advantage in gaming, but I do architecture, video editing, and so much more. I've got 40 TB worth of data that I deal with daily. But, I've owned AMD rigs as well. I love AMD. But PCIe versions, bus lanes, and other features on AMD chipsets suck.

[@N4CR]

@@asmongoldsmouth9839 Heh? How? I got a cheap DDR5 Pcie5 board (Steel Legend) for my 7800x3d and it has all the features I need. Only one I wanted (but didn't want to pay Pro-ART tax) was 10gbps, I can easily add that in an expansion slot with far more capability and ports when I need it. I think you might be stuck in the past when yes AMD boards at mid range did have worse features often. WHen you load more than 1 core in fortnight on that 14700k and run heavy memory loads, you will see it degrade like every other server that uses them.

[@TheBoeBoeBa]

Will 12gb ram be enough for the coming 7 years? Since the switch generation lasts almost 8 years now, hope it can run some third party triple A games without major compromises

[@zaxmaxlax]

12 gigs is ded on arrival pretty much. Unless they pull a 16gig at the last minute. The original switch was 2gb believe it or not, but some 1st party devs were crying to nintendo and they decided on 4gb.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

It seems like it'll be as powerful or more powerful than Series S. The Series S already struggles to run certain games but most Switch 2 ports would probably be super targeted and optimized and run a bit better. I could see something like Cyberpunk 2077 running on it pretty well. Especially since games might be using DLSS by default but we still have to see if that's the case

[@flimermithrandir]

Hard to say but for 1080P yes. Anything beyond that… it depends. Probably manageable to a certain degree for the next few Years but maybe not the full next 7 Years.

[@davidwagner3710]

Where did the beard go

[@Noisy_Cricket]

I wish the Switch 2 had gone for 16 GB, but Nintendo gonna Nintendo. Maybe we can hope for a Switch 2 Pro at some point.

[@Zoroark539]

to be fair the switch 1 OS is pretty light on RAM usage (consuming around 1GB if I'm not mistaken). if they were to use that again they'd have 11GB for games, which pretty comparable to other current machines (I'm pretty sure both the series x and PS5 allocate only a little bit more of RAM for the games).

[@tomaO2]

Hmm, actually, I wonder about the idea of certain games only being available in dock mode. There are a TON of low power games out there that you can play. I don't think it would be unreasonable for the highest power games to be dock only.

[@bedisaouadi848]

Any updates on nova lake ?, i hear there will be new "cobra cove"

[@lightward9487]

Yes hahaha

[@ZAcharyIndy]

I heard that too, but the intel nature when spoiling new CPUs are so lame. I mean, just get on whats really coming. Nova lake will be the successor of Arrow Lake itself , while Panther Lake is NOT even released yet.

[@mariuspuiu9555]

the switch 2 will be much worse than i expected performance-wise.

[@mikelay5360]

That is the workstation CPU for people that occasionally game.

[@tomaspavka2014]

With 4nm Switch 2 will be a Rog Ally specs device 😤. 8nm? Seriously Nintendo

[@Sp1tfire100]

Do you want it to be cheap?

[@chimpyman92]

great stuff keep it up

[@tingsoonyew2786]

NVIDIA is save power of rtx 4060 4060 ti desktop, how much for Electricity it's expansive now nvidia want save power gpu and tegra chip.

[@bdd2ccca96]

intel is going from 10nm 'intel 7' to tsmc n3b. thats a big boost for intel. more competition, better for consumers. hey Tom, can you please do a 'what can this silicon do' video for intel 7 -> n3b? you did a few before, and were pretty much bang on with the numbers.

[@ZAcharyIndy]

the biggest mistake Intel did, was back in 2020 when TSMC already have 5nm process they dont take it and instead keep using their 14nm+++ and 10nm++. that 5nm then is used by Apple wiht its M1 series. from the business perspective it is correct that INtel is jumping from 10nm all the way to 3nm, but remember 3nm here is TSMC owned. at the fab perspective , Intel is actually JUMPING from 10nm to 2nm or 1.8nm. the process that they made their own.

[@almendraman]

8nm or 4nm?

[@omegawii]

Yeah you got your stuff good

[@jayvee8502]

I believe Arrow lake will take it all. Even zen 5 3d can't match in gaming.

[@frommatorav1]

Why do you believe that? Tom basically said he projects them to be very close and the X3d cpus excel in gaming. I won't believe anything until they're both out and tested.

[@nipa5961]

Arrow Lake will dominate the price and power draw charts no doubt.

[@Kyle496]

I don't see the point of the switch 2 with products like the steam deck out now. They're going to underpower it like every other product in decades, it will likely have terrible joycons again (drifting after 2 days of use), and you'll be able to emulate it in a few years on the steam deck 2 with better hardware. Top it off with steam os and the ability to play basically everything at reasonable prices and not paying the Nintendo tax on games that rarely if ever go below $50usd. Again I just don't see the point unless it's for a child.

[@ivancho5854]

That's the point exactly. The Switch is a TOY for children/family use and not for gamers. The Steam Deck is too big and heavy for kids (and arguably for adults). It's a neglected niche which is only serviced by Nintendo. It's a brilliant strategy borne out by their sales figures. All the best.

[@byte-bg4ob]

​​@@ivancho5854 OK but family and kids are just gonna stay with the current switch, they don't have a reason to upgrade with so many awesome and functional family games. This could be a WII u situation again.

[@zaxmaxlax]

The aswer is children and manchildren 😂 I will probably buy it at some point just to play zelda, I know Im a sucker.

[@user-rc9jf8ng2k]

Why does he watermark the picture? Such a loser move.

[@phonghai87]

It's good that NVIDIA won the contract because I don't want AMD dominates all of console market

[@dakbassett]

Comment down below for the algorithm.

[@knarfxd4071]

Idk man, if you assume 1900 for the CB score, the 5.7 would just be a hair over 2400.

[@N4CR]

You also can't assume linear perf scaling for architectures. I think Tom is making another fail prediction and will be out a bit.

[@nracan94]

Let’s goooooo

[@squisherderheld]

Yeah hopefully it will be fast enough to force some price competition with AMD

[@2greenify]

Good video. This commment to help with the algoritme.

[@currywurst2434]

@MooresLawIsDead Could it be that the Nvidia person meant around 5 watts for the chip (GPU/CPU) not the entire console in handheldmode? Would make more sense as they only work on that chip. I don't believe Switch 2 will use less power in handheldmode than Switch, especially if its built in 8nm.... And with a bit bigger battery thats not necessary. If it uses around the same amount of power the battery life will still be a bit longer then. That it would clock down hard in handheldmode was a nobrainer imo, as thats what the Switch 1 already did. I was only wondering what you meant with extremely low. I was expecting around 400 mhz as that seems to be the sweetspot for low power usage, under 400 mhz its said to lose efficiency.

[@ivancho5854]

I believe that the smaller nodes have a higher voltage/frequency floor.

[@currywurst2434]

@@ivancho5854 Even with a smaller node 5 Watt for the whole console would be very low, that gives like 3 Watts to 1500 cuda core GPU and 8 core CPU and all games would have to run in that restrained power. It would be several times weaker than docked mode if the 4tflops hold true. 5 Watts for the chip alone in 4 or 5nm would sound a bit more reasonable. We will see.

[@ivancho5854]

@@currywurst2434 Yea, when you spell it out like that you're probably right.

[@mingyi456]

I think Tom has previously speculated that maybe the switch 2 delays are due to nintendo and nvidia trying to port the switch 2 over to a more improved samsung node at the last minute. Which samsung definitely has at this point in time.