Intel Core i5-11400 Review - NOT as Good as you Think!

[@rere439]

"Yeah, we got one", Verge Guy

[@d15p4tch6]

Rofl

[@josejurado9197]

I tought the same xD!

[@adamkee97]

So, I'm not alone!

[@BenKlassen1]

Inside joke

[@jaspersjasper6989]

LOL

[@Garrettdx1988]

That's right, we've got one. I love how that phrase has become a meme in the tech community

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

just don't look at his twitter lol

[@wolfshanze5980]

I think he had problems with the CPU because he didn't screw with confidence.

[@muchlishsyaff7093]

"Yes guys, we got one!". that reference

[@HardwareCanucks]

Sorry, had to. ;)

[@pyramidschemer4083]

Bruh..

[@soapa4279]

Caught that too. The funny part is if that sentence is referring to something like an RTX 3080, it's not a joke.

[@LankyFrankey]

@@HardwareCanucks keep the meme alive

[@DrearierSpider1]

It's a very incremental step forward from the i5 10400, but considering the i5 11400 isn't much more expensive and both are cheaper than the R5 3600 (and faster in gaming), it's a decent buy. It'll be a great buy in a few months if it drops rapidly in price the way 10th gen did.

[@darktheories1758]

The last I heard was they were expecting the intel cpu's to go up in price. I know I thought I was ordering one on amazon that was out of stock. It said stock would be in on the 19th. The thing showed up the next day and to be honest I wasn't 100% sure I should buy it, but I thought stock might become an issue so I kept the order in. Er I actually got the 11400f, but it already went up $15 from when I bought it on amazon. TBH I need to shave $ in every place I can so I can afford RGB(that's a joke).

[@tommihommi1]

the 10400f isn't faster in Gaming than the 3600, but the 11400f is. With the current pricing for the 3600, both are a better buy, though.

[@bingbing3464]

@@tommihommi1 not really... 10400F on most reviews seems worse than 3600 because of the 2666mhz ram limit on b460 boards and the price of z490 is not justifiable. B560 however changed it. Im actually running my 10400F at 4266c18 on a z490 and it absolutely destroyed my 3600 3600c14 (cant go beyond fclk 1800) in every gaming benchmarks i throw at it.

[@philnightjar1971]

@@maverick7376 most likely they're gonna have rnough supply since the CPU supply is not that bad. Demand for intel isn't that high either.

[@artiew8718]

It won't drop in price. It's correctly priced under it's main competitor, the 3600.

[@Dobermanator]

It's very humble and honest that you would say "made a *rookie* mistake." Normally (with other Channels) we might expect to hear something like, "even with my highly elevated level of superior expertise, I might be misled into believing I'm thinking or doing something that is not absolutely correct." This difference is why I rely and appreciate HC, that and anything with even the slightest link to a hockey connotation (rookie) has to be from a highly elevated level of superior expertise.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks! Yes, rookie mistake. Its the only way to say it. But then again its the same a lot of people make.

[@jakubjakub8494]

@@HardwareCanucks11400 + intel stock cooler -90mV on core and cache = 84°C on 100% load all threads.

[@chronox837]

Havent looked videos of this channel for a long time, first reaction was: "Oh wow who is this, they have a new guy". "Yes, we've got one" I like him.

[@ulrika8198]

The problem with this video is the title. Among other things. The MCE you just explained doesn't make it worse than the competition or other CPUs, it's just an option you have to take into account, and it needs a little tinkering, and it is coming from the motherboards. The i5 11400F is not 'plug and play' friendly with the B560 boards because of the MCE, but that's just about it. This title is misleading and trying to confuse potential buyers from getting a good CPU. A beginner into building PCs might not know one of the golden rules and that is never to use the stock cooler on a mid and high end CPU. The i5 is NOT a low-end CPU, like the i3. And also to not use it on small form factors like ITX or cases that do not have proper airflow.

[@kakarot2503]

I found a gaming laptop with i5 11400 RTX3050 16GB RAM AND IT COST 989 OTHER 1K SO IT WORTH IT?

[@Elias_Acosta]

así es! titulo totalmente engañoso... son a estos "youtubers" a los que hay que denunciarlos por ser amarillistas

[@PesareShojae]

You can easily put an i5 into an itx system, i have seen people even use i9s, it all depends on different things like the case, your usage etc... plus you can always limit the power limits or undervolt.

[@vinyfiny2019]

I run an 11400 on that ASRock B560 itx board. I set PL1 to 100W (the max allowed), PL2 to 150W (max allowed) and 224s for the PL1 duration (max allowed). I also set a -80Mv undervolt. CPU sits at 4.2GHz all core through multiple Cinebench runs even though it goes slightly over 100W. Temps max at 68° using an Alpenfohn Black Ridge in a SGPC K39 case. For the price I can't complain. I'm also using 32GB of ram at CL16 3466MHz.

[@djamil59ify]

Hows for video editing? is it good for 4k 60 fps?

[@vinyfiny2019]

@@djamil59ify I haven't used it for video editing so I'm not sure, sorry. I'd imagine 12th gen will be a better value once cheaper boards and CPU's release (which should be in a month or two).

[@vinyfiny2019]

@SharkTank I was using it as my work computer but have since switched it to gaming only as it was overkill for what I need for work (Revit and AutoCAD).

[@vinyfiny2019]

@SharkTank Not sure what to tell you about getting a job, haha. Keep your skills up and look for openings.

[@vinyfiny2019]

@SharkTank Depends on the job.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

TDP should be based on the maximum boost clocks.Right now this is a meaningless measurement.Even the 5800x is listed as 105 TDP.... while it's more like 140 in reality.

[@Baz87100]

I personally bought a 11400(F) as a replacement for my R5 3600 as I managed to damage my B550 Tomahawk motherboard. It's an absolute monster for the price, paid only £120 for it brand new a few days ago. I paired it with a Z590 MSI Gaming Edge Wifi board which doesn't restrict it to 2.6ghz when not under load like some budget intel boards - I get that this increases power consumption but the CPU is never requesting more than 1.17v and only goes over TDP by 2-3 watts. It sits at 4.2Ghz mostly and idles at 27-30c and under load never over 50. Probably around 10 degrees cooler across the board than my R5 3600. Worth noting I am using an iCue H150i 360mm rad cooler but realistically you're not gonna see more than a 5 degree difference to a cheap air cooler. It's insane value and I am absolutely delighted I chose to move to Intel. I understand the concern with stock coolers, but given the fact that you can buy after market air coolers that run almost as cool as liquid coolers for like £30-40 then it's not really a big deal considering the price of the chip now.

[@Zinchux]

Great content, thank you! This is the exact same thing happening on Z490 boards with the 10900K, for example, which has given it a reputation of a chip that "always" runs hot. Once you set the board to run at Intel defaults, that chip actually runs fairly cool.

[@Demon09-_-]

The problem with running it at Intel defaults is you lose alot of the performance. In some things like gaming loads you may be fine. But in rendering if you don't want to lose a ton of performance you have to unlock the power limits

[@dazeen9591]

i5-11400 is good because you can remove power limits and it's as good as 11600K for $100 less.

[@perdomot]

Mike's videos have a lot of useful info. Just built my rig with the 11400 but used a Fuma 2 HSF so I'm gonna check my bios to see if MCE is on.

[@jaysaur7053]

Coming back to this much later and after taking months to decide what to purchase and save. I just wanted to say the 11400, while not the perfect chip for everyone, and not the most future proof option, was the perfect budget friendly upgrade for me with how unpredictable the pricing of components had been. I came to it from a 4690k that ran overclocked at 4.8ghz and I was looking for a newer more up to date platform to support a modern GPU on a budget. In real world usage the 11400 has exceeded my expectations for such a cheap little CPU, it pushes well beyond the advertised clock speed with an adequate cooler and good thermal paste and puts the more expensive but now older CPU I came from to shame.

[@FoxyCAMTV]

Yeah,this video didn't age well.Its a budget price /performance king.

[@phaikyouser9499]

Cool 😎

[@deyeatdapoopoo7582]

Why didn't you guys undervolt to mitigate the high power use with MCE/power limits disabled? You can do it on B560 boards.

[@_ataims]

how?

[@Demon09-_-]

@@_ataims I see this person never replied but you can undervolt with the motherboard with a negative offset or with a program like throttle stop or xtu. Depending on your motherboard you will probably be able to do -60mv to -100mv.

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

0:41 "I understood that reference"

[@JayzBeerz]

I have an 11400 and 1660ti build and it plays all games over 60 FPS in 1080P. Most games stay above 100 FPS.

[@SteveDonev]

Just buy a hyper 212 cooler and for a total of $218 you have a cpu that walks all over the r5 3600 in gaming. Plus you get an igpu as an added bonus and can actually use your pc while you wait for a dgpu.

[@link-gv4wf]

Lol yeah i couldn't get the gpu i wanted too but i did get one that decent and not overpriced

[@dorjjodvo1992]

@@link-gv4wf what did you manage to get in this shortage era?

[@Darnellreyes12]

Take notes verge 😂

[@itzoggez4253]

I just bought a prebuilt with an RTX 3060 ti aswell as the i5 11400f, is that a good combo?

[@habs]

Just a correction... the noctua NH-L9i is really rated for 65 watts not 95 watts. Though u shouldnt be blame as both cpu and cooler "are supposed to be 65 watts"..............

[@TastyGuava]

Thank you for the Verge reference ;)

[@rathstar]

Great video, its nice that the i5-11400 has the enhancement and ram xmp unlocked, better than the i5-10400, but I agree it looks like misleading marketing that the extra power requirements for enchancement is not made obvious to potential buyers. Most people would expect the Intel cooler to be fine for an 65w chip, but in reality on most motherboards its a 120w chip.

[@SgtRock4445]

Think most buyers that don't look into/research the 11400 will notice.

[@rathstar]

@@SgtRock4445 in some cases you may be right, but all it takes is a bad case with poor airflow and the stock cooler could lead to serious terminal throttling which could be noticeable in gaming, or shut downs in the worst cases.

[@_ataims]

@@rathstar hi, i just bought an I5 11400 and a Gigabyte b560m ds3h ac motherboard... how can I improve the limitations of the mother over the processor? and should I? Thank you so much for the help.

[@rathstar]

@@_ataims Unfortunately I'm not sure as every motherboard would be different and I don't have experience of that particular motherboard. I would first look at the manual as it should be in there, and failing that I would look for youtube videos on the issue.

[@_ataims]

@@rathstar thanks! Fortunatly i could change the mobo to Aorus b560, it was a better option for a few extra bucks

[@minecraftmike5193]

Why are your gaming benchmarks so different from other review sites? Seems you have the 11400 underperforming significantly more than it should be.

[@moira4707]

I'd guess it's due to what makes the heart of this review: Mobo manufacturer's MCE and the fact HC used a slim ITX cooler instead of a massive double tower or 240mm AIO like other channels. Their 11400 runs too hot and probably throttles a bit compared to other review sites.

[@wolfshanze5980]

He's thermal throttling the CPU because he used a wafer-thin insufficient cooler so the CPU can't stay at peak performance... had he bothered putting it in a PROPER CASE with PROPER COOLING, his benchmarks would match everyone elses. Just because it says "Noctua" doesn't mean it effectively cools every CPU known in the univers... that tiny heatsink doesn't have enough surface area to properly dissipate heat.

[@moira4707]

@@wolfshanze5980 having looked at a ITX system myself, I believe that Noctua cooler is rated (and plenty effective) for the rated 65w TDP. It's when mobos let the chip draw twice that and more that problems arise.

[@wolfshanze5980]

@@moira4707 The 65w rating isn't total TDP... the 65w TDP is running without boosting... once it boosts, it breaks that TDP... the cooler is insufficient to handle that CPU turboboosting... but something as simple as a Hyper 212 is enough to cover the boost... there's basic math at play here, heat needs space to dissipate and that tiny heatsink just doesn't have enough surfacespace to dissipate enough heat when that CPU turbo-boosts... the TDP is to "just run"... but when it hits turboboost, it's going to draw more... and any cooler with "remotely average" TDP rating will handle the i5 11400's turboboost... I'm sorry, but that's just a completly insufficient cooler to handle much of anything... once again, the problem is putting it in a case with a cooler few will ever use... sure there's always exceptions, but for every one person who raises his hand and says "I use a tiny poorly ventilated case with an insufficient cooler"... a hundred people will use a standard case with a standard cooler... the problem with his conclusions are that he's basing total review on an outlier case/cooling solution, not the average.

[@moira4707]

@@wolfshanze5980 Again, this was all covered in the video, for anyone who bothered to watch more than just the benchmarks. Intel's specs allow the chips to boost over 65w of power draw for a few seconds, but both the Z series and the new B series motherboard allow that boosting behavior to run for much longer than is actually disclosed. If you buy a cooler rated for 65w on a Z series or B560 board, you'll have a hard time. That same cooler on a H series or a B460 board will do just fine, because then the 'over 65w' boosting behavior doesn't last long enough to overwhelm a tiny 65w rated cooler. It's a 'buyer's beware' video, and a relevant one at that since thelat particular chip is very compelling in the current market.

[@radekgabriel3276]

"People are looking for plug and play solution here"... WTF? I got my 360mm ASUS RYUJIN AIO just for this CPU to get the best out of it! Let's beat ryzen 5600x for the half of the price!

[@feralstripes1919]

Nice Click-Bait, the Intel Core i5-11400 has massive positive reviews, you are the only person who has problems with the CPU!

[@Ts6451]

I expect the reason the 3300X is rare is not that it was "too good" but that AMD designed it to utilize core complex dies that had an under-performing or defective core complex and would otherwise have to be scrapped, however as the production yields improve, the number of chiplets with the suitable defects has probably become less common, and AMD probably don't want to waste CCDs that can be used for higher end parts by cutting down "good" cores. The chiplet approach is probably more suitable to higher end parts anyway, AMD have to design the chiplets to be able of working for the highest end parts and with the assembly and parts cost for a 3100 or 3300x likely being the same as for a 3800X, they would probably have to have enough under-performing CCDs to make enough of these lower end chips to make a reasonable profit.

[@jrdulce]

Hi, you said that you are using the asus rog b560-i gaming wifi. Im using the same. The mce you are talking about is the Asus performance enhancement 2.0? Thanks

[@shotzvfx3738]

ey same here with the 560 f gaming wifi i get 88 Cº degreess u got solution? is the same?

[@fist003]

Same topic was covered by GN previously. with optimized settings, my z390 motherboard set cpu voltage at 1.5v. Best way is to turn off MCE and manually set the parameters for stock and OC. the only missing data from the video is the power draw

[@tamogauk]

Wait Who uses the stock intel cooler? At least deepcool gammax 300 on any cpu just for silence

[@LegendaryPhenom]

Intel is the value company up to 300$ and then AMD takes the crown... how things change.

[@link-gv4wf]

If youre a normal person and want a gaming pc that can do everything well and smoothly go intel if you're rich and want an absolute MONSTER then go amd but there are good amd choices for less than 300

[@asdolin42]

gamers nexus reviewed the 11400 at 65w and it was still faster than the 3600 in games, so worst case scenario it's still faster than the competition while costing less.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Exactly what was said here. :)

[@TEKDAD]

It should be off by default but it’s free performances if you have the cooler for it. All benchmarks should show what you exactly did here (both options).

[@link-gv4wf]

I have a 240mm water cooler am i good to go or like should i turn mce off

[@zetaalpha7200]

I noticed the MCE on a new Z370 Asus and 8700K using Hardware INFO a few years back when I built the machine. MCE had no problem upping voltage in Vcore to 1.4 and higher. The high voltage is a fast drive to CPU failure. Everything I've built since I disable MCE on Asus and any other mother board I use. I then limit voltage at Vcore on the boards as well, this has been happening for years. Thankfully most of the reviewers mention the hidden problem now days keeping folks aware. Thanks for the vid.

[@HardwareCanucks]

This is another major issue: voltage.

[@SgtRock4445]

So how many cpu's have actually failed on you?

[@zetaalpha7200]

@@SgtRock4445 I've not had any CPU failures

[@portman8909]

Obviously 10th gen owners would not upgrade to this.... 1 year for CPU's is nothing.

[@fy7589]

11400 is a good cpu if you know what you're doing with it. That cpu has a stupidly conservative power limit. However once you remove it, you unlock that cpu to get close to 11600k, with a mild bclk overclock and a tower cooler, this cpu can easily consume over 200 watts. That is a ridiculous amount of power draw. I have 11400f and I have dual rank ddr4 32 gigs of memory overclocked to 4000 mhz cl 17. With the work I'm doing which is generally code compiling, of course this isn't the best cpu out there but it gained over 20% of performance compared to it's stock value. And to be honest I don't see it being worth to upgrade to intel 12th gen or ryzen 5950x or something. It is a good cpu for gaming, for small things like code compiling and daily stuff. However you'll need a bigger cooler than you think. If you already have one noctua from your previous system, feel free to just unlock the power limit and also do the max bclk overclock you can which was in my case 102.9mhz. Plus make sure you have dual rank memory because if you're on ddr4 and if you don't have dual rank you basically lose 10% or more performance for about basically anything and it's not so bad to pay 100 dollars more for 16 gigs of more ram especially when you consider the overall cost of the entire system. Buying a 6 core 12 thread cpu for just 150 dollars instead of 300 or something and doing bclk oc to keep it up with the 300 dollars model and also some memory overclock will make it run really really faster than the 11600k and you'll save around 100 dollars compared to just buying the better k version of the cpu and leaving it at stock which is stupid. Don't buy a K cpu if you won't overclock lol.

[@JayzBeerz]

On sale in USA for $134.99 today.

[@tyre1337]

11400 is a good cpu if you know what you're doing, stupid clickbait

[@ArcusCo]

11400F is great gaming cpu for the money, hate it or love it

[@lukewalker3]

How is it for multitasking as well I waiting for Mine to come And like tabs open like a game and maybe a KZbin video

[@juveboy01033]

Thats an official lie. Unbelievable that you dare to put these numers. I just bought this cpu, got MCE ON, Stock cooler, and the maximum temps was 67 C. And even if this true, "not as good" because its needs a cooler?! Beats all the amd for gaming and its not good? :-D

[@karlos1060]

130 watts at MCE for a 6 core 🤢🤢🤢 but performance is great. At stock cooler or even a little better till 90 degrees with MCE? 🤢🤢🤢 It is that cheap, because you need to spend another 50 dollar or more for a decent cooling solution. The value is great, but i would not want such a hot head in my pc tbh. Great to see this review where it's clear that this is the case!

[@WhyMe64]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to go into the bios and make sure the limiter is turned on. btw a CM 212 BE cpu cooler cost $40 USD.

[@karlos1060]

@@WhyMe64 Sure but with the limiter on the cpu performs a lot less on multi core applications...my point is more that a 6 core uses 130 watts...and gets that warm...thats not of this time imho.

[@WhyMe64]

@@karlos1060 it uses more watts when it goes into turbo boost.

[@karlos1060]

@@WhyMe64 I know it does use less when you put on the limiter, but it performs less as well. My point is when you use it how Intel likes it it's a 130 watt 6 core cpu in 2021...thats way to much. AMD 5950x uses less then that and has 10 cores more en higher all core turbo 😂😂

[@seanhagerty820]

Great video! This explained a lot and prepped me for what to look for. I was going to get an i5 11500 for my Asrock b560m Steel Legend I just picked up. Take care!

[@TheBURBAN111]

I wouldn't really call the u12s a high end cooler or the nh-l9i still nice video :] i get lower temps than this at 5ghz with a 75$ aio...

[@wolfshanze5980]

He thinks cuz it says "Noctua" that automatically makes it top of the line cooler... there's some basic math going on there with a super thin radiator in a tiny cramped case... there's just not enough surface area on the fins of the heatsink to dissipate the heat off the CPU... it's not Intel's fault, its the guy trying to put a super thin tiny heatsink thinking its super powerful because the label says "Noctua".

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@wolfshanze5980 yup...

[@danichillz32]

These years I've been mostly seeing Iber and Dimitri, and an occasional Mike video... But I have to say this one was my fav from Mike. Super precise, clear and down to earth. Really great stuff. Keep up!

[@warnacokelat]

So it's an improvement over the previous gen, however it will no longer be plug and play experience as you need to tinker with some settings.

[@seanshine7193]

Ahhh, AMD fanboys review an Intel processor without knowing about the platform. What a surprise. Always unlock the power limit in bios and have a better than stock cooler, and you're going to get the best performance.

[@pratyushkishore9030]

Budget builders are gonna use stock coolers .

[@seanshine7193]

@@pratyushkishore9030 Some will, but there a quite a few willing to spend $30 on a Hyper 212 for better thermals, knowing that it can be transferred to the next build as well.

[@Richie016]

Looks like Intel's rocket lake CPUs are competent with recent Ryzen chips in terms of delivering PC performance.

[@checkyoursixgaming]

Anyone trying to pump anything about the current 11 gen Intels cpus is a shill. The last good cpu for the money that intel put out was the 10850K. For under $400 that is a decent deal. Everything else is crud. While AMD doesnt' have any new cpus that are in that price range, I'd get an older intel chip for cheap instead personally.

[@jremille]

Its because of the pricing of AMD right now that makes some people choose INTEL,but yeah AMD is better right now in performance.

[@titgig7232]

No they are not. If they are trying to make the k cpus look good then yes . But 11400f is a good gaming cpu. It's not like the amd cpus are good deals except for the 5900x. For buget builds intel is a lot better. If people bought the i9s or i7 11700k that is on them.

[@EVIL19231]

This guy seams to never have reviewed an Intel CPU.That is the standard way to run the Intel CPU, without any power limits.Why do you say the CPU is not as good as you think?Do you really expect to run an 6 core 12 threads CPU without aftermarket colling?Without power limits you get more frequency and more performance.The review is missleading since every reviewer runs Intel CPUS without power limits.

[@raininginside]

Yup, and most of them do state the fact that they have power limit off

[@Vermilicious]

It might surely be worth running a bit cooler if the performance impact isn't much. Is there a bios setting on these cards to disable this feature, or is it forced?

[@SirSethery]

I know it's not apples-to-apples since it's much more expensive, but I have a 5600X under a Noctua L9a (in a Skyreach 4 Mini), and I have it undervolted along with a temp limit of 79C, and it still can maintain about 4.2-4.3GHz all-core while consuming 70-75W and being virtually silent. It could go higher if I let the fan go above a barely audible 40% or if I was fine with it being in the 80s C. Seems like AMD is still quite a bit more efficient. Hopefully Intel can get their crap together soon.

[@bingbing3464]

Problem with these reviews is they never mention average load temps and gaming temps. In partial load situation where the core usage and clocks fluctuates up and down like in games, intel tends to run alot cooler. I have both intel and AMD and somehow AMD is super inefficient during idle and gaming. My 10400F under an l9i loads at 92C consuming 130w but it never goes above 50 60w in games. While the ryzen like yours loads in the 90s 88w because i didnt undervolt but stays around 70s in games at 70w Im using a 120mm aio now and temps have never been a problem.

[@SgtRock4445]

Intel is still at 14nm++++++ *breaths* ++

[@SirSethery]

@@bingbing3464 Yeah, honestly my CPU was way hotter than I was expecting at stock. It’s actually my second 5600X because the first one I bought didn’t undervolt at all before becoming unstable.

[@OTechnology]

This is really a 120-140W CPU when you fully unlock the power limits to get all core boost clocks that can be sustained. Definitely not as cool and efficient as its "65W" rating suggests. Not a problem for normal gaming PCs though, which usually has some kind of aftermarket cooler. But I the stock cooler with most motherboards using MCE is not a good thing for sure.

[@DeadpoolPlayz]

Technically the 11900k is a 65w chip according to intel. YEAH RIGHT. Intel just forgot to add a zero 😂

[@DeadpoolPlayz]

@@subverter1.188 or a 9

[@MrSamadolfo]

Cool, thanks for the explanations, i assume all the motherboards we can fix it ourselves by going into the BIOS and setting it to 65watts intel stock speed?

[@GT86crazy]

You are absolutely right about the plug and play aspect of these lower end chips. I just built my dad a computer and dropped a 10400 in an H510m motherboard. Used the stock intel cooler and have no issues. If I had gone with the 11400 I might have run into temperature issues unwittingly.

[@SgtRock4445]

You wouldn't have noticed.

[@GT86crazy]

@@SgtRock4445 probably not with the H510m, but another mobo with power limits removed by default temps would be higher. Then again he doesn’t tend to run heavily multithreaded programs, so he probably would have been fine.

[@sermerlin1]

I mean how is it inflated if it is literally "overclocking" of a locked chip. It is not turbo sh*t that holds for like 2 seconds then drops down. It is literally a 4.2ghz clock that without the motherboard power increase would stick to 2.6Ghz. That's not inflated benchmarks... That is some real world gains for dirt cheap. This processor really shows what overclocking used to be like in terms of how much you spend and how much you gain overclocking and it is really worth it to invest in a cooler for this one unlike for higher end models for intel where they're already at their max. I literally bought this CPU as well and it just kicks a**. it is more then 100% gains compared to i5 6600k @ 4.6ghz. RDR2 I couldn't play at all on 60 fps had to optimize for 30 fps and play it on a last gen console level but now with this CPU I can play it and feel like i'm in the modern gen again.

[@zeistgeist1105]

this guy is fanatic AMD user..so hated intel..for me intel is great of value..not give me anthing problem used that intel sense 20 years..bad review

[@MeBarnson]

I dare to claim that most people who buy that CPU [including me (11400F)] are aware of that and want it to run at 120W. It is the budged high performance CPU to get why would I not run it at max performance.

[@OnTheL1ne]

In that case it should be marketed as a 120w chip then.

[@bperez003]

Yo bro. I just bought this today and didn’t do much research on the chip. But it looked great value. Is it ok to run the stock cooler? At least for a little until i get a cooler. Also any stability issues?

[@akalion213]

I'm probably gonna buy this CPU. Any suggestions for what motherboard I should get or will any b560 board work just fine with the higher power limit thing?

[@rayparthapratim]

Kinda clickbaity title... 1. Inflated benchmarks mean nothing to normal users, a gain is still a gain. 2. Why buy a case that narrow if you're gonna keep it static anyways? I'd rather get a thicker case, a 11400f+cooler than buy a 3600 because 3600 also doesn't run that cool either tbh. Here in India 11400f is 40 dollars cheaper than 3600, enough to buy a decent cooler(212 evo for example). Great video regardless! Keep up the content!

[@Safetytrousers]

My 3600x is a hell of a hot CPU, even in my big custom loop, and low voltage set.

[@HardwareCanucks]

1) Inflated benchmarks mean EVERYTHING to normal users who expect to use the included cooling solution whereas in this case the motherboard works against that intent. 2) It ISN'T static. Never said it is. As a matter of fact, its been to my cottage a dozen times since I built it.

[@rayparthapratim]

@@HardwareCanucks 1. But I don't understand why is that a problem in case of Intel. Even Ryzen has PBO enabled by default and the 3600 goes to high 80s and low 90s due to this. Most of my friends who bought the 3600 had to get a separate air cooler to keep temps under check OR had to turn off PBO+undervolt the cpu. MCE on the other hand changes pl2 pl1 and sets tau to effectively infinite. Yes that's a valid point that "it draws more power" but I'd rather prefer better performance at the same price range(much cheaper in my country). 2. Your use case might be different... For your cpu cabinet, you're honestly better off with a 10400, no gains with MCE and runs way cooler than 3600 on stock fan. Opinions? *Not an Intel Fanboy Btw*

[@alexspata]

just bought it today, upgraded from 3570k, I hope my Thermalright Macho from 2012 will take the heat. Very good in depth review though, got yourself a subscriber!

[@Deathwing2]

Could ya’ll do a review of that Strix B560-i motherboard? Or a roundup of the B560 itx boards 🤓

[@ABaumstumpf]

MCE also acts very differently depending on the board and sometimes even the bios-version. Sadly on intel boards - for whatever reason - the manufacturers also often increase the voltage for no reason. My Motherboard came with MCE enabled and "enhanced stability" options, the TDP-limit removed and unlimited turbo duration.... of course the CPU jugged power like crazy. MCE here "only" allowed the CPU to boost all core to the single core frequency so without the other changes the CPU did only boost for a couple of seconds. Buuuut what made that so attrocious: Setting the CPU to the Intel specs with the only difference being setting tau to unlimited - the CPU ran at its rated multicore speed while staying below the TDP. And - Intels TDP is an actual TDP. When the CPU is running in spec it will run at basically EXACTLY the TDP on average. If you have a constant multithread load then it will stay pegged at that limit. If the load decreases then the turbo-bucket so to speak fills up again and when the power is required the CPU boosts again - up to the moment the longterm power average reaches the TDP. In contrast AMDs CPUs are currently more efficient but the TDP rating got nothing to do with the actual powerdraw - according to how AMD them self are specifying it. And with the Ryzen 5xxx Series you can see that clearly as most of the CPUs are consuming quit a bit more than the TDP says. In a way that is good for DIY as the CPU runs closer to what the cooling solution can deliver as an i5 11500 sticks to is 65W even if you have a giant chiller.

[@lalalelele]

What motherboard are you using?

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@lalalelele Z370 Tomahawk

[@lalalelele]

@@ABaumstumpf What do you think about b540 aorus pro and i5 11400f combo? its either that motherboard or i go with asus prime for abit cheaper but been seeing some bad reviwes about the cheaper primes ones even for the 11400

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@lalalelele " b540 aorus pro and i5 11400f" What board? there is not B540 - do you mean B560? (and B450 would be the AMD boards) I would really suggest you to look through reviews for socket 1200 and see which boards have the features you want. Anandtech and guru3d in general have good reviews.

[@lalalelele]

@@ABaumstumpf oh yea my bad b560... Alright thanks man

[@PeterMacPL]

You can eaisly reduce power/heat in bios settings to make it no more than 65W TDP CPU. In Asus boards you have to Disable Asus Enhancments.

[@itsdaefr]

Well when I’ve never had anything better than a Ryzen 3 I think this is amazing

[@ParanoidMarvinMk2]

"Chooch factor". The Canadian-ness is strong in this one. I approve.

[@michaelhoenig4212]

AVE?

[@ParanoidMarvinMk2]

@@michaelhoenig4212 Me? Wtf no. I don't have anywhere near that supreme command of vocabulary.

[@Jack-sq9lo]

This is kind of boring, this video is specific for this CPU paired with the L9i, a low profile cooler. If you don’t like multi core enhancements for your cooler then just disable it in your bios, motherboard manufacturers just want you to have max performance and it shouldn’t be called ‘shenanigans.’

[@overclocked5422]

I don't really get where your coming from here. I bought a 40$ cooler and completely unlocked power limits. I only get 60 degrees for a long period of time. Most people aren't gonna go with a stock cooler on an i5 and even so, this info is on the internet, you can look up temps before buying. People don't plug and play, it's building a PC not buying one, so I think they can go into bois to change 1 setting. This review honestly doesn't make much sense, in the case of the entire chip. There's almost no reason to disable mce unless ur running the shit stock cooler which no one does. So in conclusion, the 11400 is as good as you think.

[@Splainte]

My i5 11400F was running by default at 180 W long and 240 W short !!! Reaching 100 degrees and shutting down the PC ! Even cooled by a Noctua U9S... Really weird default settings from the motherboard (Asus ROG B560-I Gaming Wifi). I set it to 150W long and 180 short and it's much better, with great performance.

[@dragonling748]

Wait.... you mean if you shove more power into it, it generates more heat than the stock cooler can handle? You shock me, I never would have seen this coming. I mean what person on earth could have possibly expected that a low profile cooler to not be enough. If only coolers came with a rating of how many watts of cooling they can handle. Oh wait they do, and if your someone who doesn't understand heat generation will increase with wattage, and you aren't going to use your Bios, you shouldn't be building a PC.

[@rafimerryifan9140]

Should I buy 11500 or 11400? Is there any significant difference? Cuz 11400 is way cheaper in my country and I will buy a dedicated gpu later when gpu's price gets down. Thx in advance

[@ulrika8198]

You can check and compare CPU benchmarks on websites and here in KZbin. I always recommend that if the difference is just 5% more in performance and it costs 100 dollars more, then it is not worth it.

[@northernassassin6056]

Not good or not as good as it should be if you don't make the proper bios changes and buy a decent low end cooler?

[@danielwardAUS]

Thanks for the video. Do you know what the MCE setting is called in MSI Bios's? Cheers

[@MrMcGreed]

I am continually surprised how this channel does not have more subscribers... They have the entire packages plus extremely nice and pleasant hosts!

[@M4rio21]

1.6 million is a lot of subscribers.

[@MrMcGreed]

@@M4rio21 yeah, it sure is... but not as many as I would've thought...

[@TalesOfWar]

@@MrMcGreed They really do deserve more. Their stuff is always top quality and well done.

[@Madblaster6]

$200 US for those who are too lazy to covert

[@HardwareCanucks]

Or 2:55. ;)

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

also never forget to look at alternative prices AND prices of motherboard Just 1 and 2 months ago, the 11400f was such a good purchase where I live, for only $165, and r5 3600 wasnt in stock for under $230-250. Now the 11400f costs at least $180-190, and 3600 is in stock for $205-210. Coupled with motherboard price, the 3600 now is considerably cheaper, and even it being a tad worse for gaming, its enough cheaper to make it the obvious choise

[@herrbert2505]

In *2019* I bought myself an R5 3600 for christmas that cost me 186 € (sometime in November). I've slapped it on a 80 € B450 board and OC'ed it to 4.3 GHz, while running it cool enough with the stock cooler. After also OCing memory it is slightly faster than a 3600x. It uses exactly 88 Watts and I'm fine with a 500 Watt PSU. And now, one and a half year later, Intel releases something perfomance-wise competitive (well in gaming, not so much in prod.) to a fucking 2019 CPU. However, as you need a more expensive motherboard (without an upgrade path like Zen 2 to Zen 3), an aftermarket cooler and probably a slightly beefier PSU, I really do fail to see the value in RKL. I'll also happily upgrade to a matured Zen 3 when I can buy an 8 Core for 300-350€ and probably still sell my 3600 for 50-100€ - drop in upgrade that crushes the whole current Intel lineup. I do really hope at least ADL is good to tighten AMD prices.

[@herrbert2505]

@DeeDee Ranged I do know, I am also sure I will be able to buy a Zen 3 8 Core conservatively within the next 2 years for 300-350€. Supply will catch up with demand and there is a realistic chance of available lower binned SKUs further down the line (like a 5800 or 5700x).

[@herrbert2505]

@DeeDee Ranged 5800x was obtainable for 369€ in germany today, i'll bet you that we'll see 8 zen 3 cores @350€ regularly in fall, possibly below until eoy.

[@berezker]

I'm glad videos like this exist to highlight that it's not always sunshine and rainbows with this chip. It's definitely a great cpu and an amazing value for gaming on a budget but god damn that stock cooler is an absolute EMBARASMENT. I completely agree that it's sad people expect to buy this cpu and just drop into the motherboard with its stock cooler and expect great consistent performance as seen in many benchmarks and videos but will probably get annoyed really quickly at how hot it runs on the loud shitty stock cooler

[@acs90ttx]

Just buy a hyper 212.......

[@soybins6902]

So the Asus TUF B560M plus gaming wifi has MCE? I'm going to pair it with i5 11400f

[@anthonytech]

All I can suggest if you don't want to change form factors of your system to allow a bigger cooler is turn on MCE with unlimited TAU and undervolt

[@wolfshanze5980]

The problem isn't turning on MCE, the problem is he's cramming it into the tiniest most poorly designed thermal hell of a case known to man... the problem is his case selection, not his CPU.

[@flyxed2]

Regarding the MCE, I’m going to be using and ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II AiO, so should I leave it enabled as my temps should theoretically be lower?

[@d3m3nt3d_t3acup_]

Do you do multithreaded work? Then yeah. For GPU-intensive workloads, it won't matter as much. But you have an overkill cooler so might as well

[@OliversTech]

Been using it as an upgrade from an AMD A9-9425. Way better than the old chip. I love it.

[@shvdowsora]

Imagine a turbo clocked chip running at higher frequencies making your system run hotter. Here's the real tip, don't put this cpu in an Xbox case with a stock cooler. Problem solved. Bad title for this video.

[@tiborklein5349]

The 11400 doesn't make much sense in my opinion. If you care about integrated graphics, get the 11500 which has a better iGPU for not a lot more money. If you don't care about integrated graphics, save some money and get the 11400F.

[@titgig7232]

Yeah that is good advice.

[@duyhungphannguyen3049]

what if i want to get the 11400 just in case my GPU has problem and need to send to warranty, or if i want to sell my GPU later ? im still thinking

[@titgig7232]

@@duyhungphannguyen3049 really?

[@SgtRock4445]

Oke, so what did you think it would be? Your use is clearly focused on productivity, so why did you get it in the first place? Would a 2700x or 3700x have been a better choose? It would even fit your old board, right. The dig at The Verge was nice but this video had a similar vibe of missing the point.

[@Pro720HyperMaster720]

I think the Ryzen 5 3500X would be a perfect match for the i5 11400 but look like you didn’t knot it existed, in fact in my country the 6 cores 12 threads overclockable R5 3500X is like 10 to 20 bucks cheaper compared to the 11400 and 11400F

[@ultraali453]

Nice, thank you for the video. I might just go for a cooler for this build now. I want to to run really silent. Even though I'm not planning on gaming on this PC.

[@link-gv4wf]

Id say go for a deep cool 240mm water cooler it keeps the temp on 42 or 43 doing normal things if youre playing games that are very cpu dependant then itll be higher but still pretty safe

[@jmurph9598]

So if the 11400 beats the 3600 and matches the 5600x in gaming yet is priced cheaper than both of them you still titled the video "Not as good as you think." Great amd shill.,

[@mojophonic]

what is that case?

[@Mikitwin2180]

Great detailed review! Thanks!

[@samirSch]

Help me please: I have a 430w CPU which I don't want to replace now, so: 1) If I "remove the power limits" for that 30% gain, will it go from 65w to 125w? 2) If I run it stock, will the turbo boost increase TDP from 65w to 125w? I saw it's a 65w processor but if the only way to keep it at 65w is to run base 2.2 ghz clock I'd rather go with the Ryzen 5600x. Btw, does the 5600x have these same power/heat/tdp troubles on turbo? Thanks in advance.

[@dika2saja]

This is good review... I regret for getting 11400 instead of i7 10700, 11th series are much power hungry than 10th series which makes their "IPC increase" not sustainable. AMD in my local is overprice.

[@neoperol]

Why would you pick less cores while buying a CPU?

[@mangshu21]

@@neoperolexpensive xeons have slow clock speeds and they still sell. I wonder why

[@Lidoe]

I’ll honestly never get why intel lowers the base clock on the non-K cpus

[@niteshrana6316]

Should i buy this one over Ryzen 3600 I wanna do all sort of work Editing, streaming game,

[@hassannazeer8245]

Quick question. Can I use an ASUS H510M-A with this processor without running into any problems? Plus, does that motherboard have the option of removing the power cap?

[@rkadi6540]

The same manufacturer, same core number, and the best part is "yeah, we got one"

[@DrearierSpider1]

8:20 It really sucks that AMD set the gold standard with box coolers back with the original R5 1600 (Wraith Spire w/ copper core), only to make their coolers worse in each subsequent generation. If they'd kept that standard up for a few generations, Intel would likely give us much better stock coolers.

[@logirex]

These days AMD only offers a cooler on the 5600X, removed the non X versions and increased the cost of all processors by 50 dollars or more.. Bit funny when Intel becomes the best budget option 😋

[@Angel7black]

@@logirex $100 more. not 50. barely anybody bought the 3600X or 3800X because they were a blatant ripoff, barely adding performance but charging $50 more. so the price jump from a 3600 to a 5600X is a $100 increase. even worse with the 5800X. the only price that only went up by $50 is the ryzen 9 if i remember correctly. AMD actually went full greed mode once they felt like they could take the performance crown, even though they barely take the performance crown. as far as im concerned AMD CPU's arent worth the buy unless you want more than 8 cores.

[@asdolin42]

@@Angel7black couldn't agree more, most people complain when intel/nvidia charge more, but they give amd a free pass....

[@magottyk]

The inclusion of the spire with select 65W processors was a marketing decision to allow reasonable overclocking OOTB with early Ryzens to capture market share in the budget segment. Subsequently those who tended to keep their overclocks bought third party coolers anyway making the added cost of the spire less cost effective as a means to capture further market share in later generations. The bonus with the spire was getting a 95W cooler with a 65W processor giving better overclocking overhead OOTB which created a huge initial buzz along with the fact you could overclock unlike Intel budget options. While it ended up with a 212X (140W subsequently rerated as up to 180W) cooling my 1600, the spire it came with would easily handle 3.8-3.9GHz all core overclocks pushing 4.0GHz, but I could push to 4.1GHz with the 212X. When I bought my 2700 (65W) it too had the spire (now running a MA620P up to 220W TDP rated) while the 2600 (65W) had the stealth but the 2600X (95W) had the spire. I got my first stealth with my 2400G, but I had two spires to choose from already.

[@woofwoof7226]

Why the 3090 for testing this i5? I have already doubts about the testing methodology

[@conquerordie230]

Why weren't the L9i temperature results not graphed as well?

[@erkned]

Yeah I was really interested in how the L9i performs with the 11400.

[@keeperofthegood]

Well... the Ryzen CPU's are functional on what is it five or six chipsets on boards manufactured and updated spanning the past five years. The Intel chip is already EOL as their new socket is out this August making board sale for it around six months ...

[@MsHojat]

YES. I HATE THIS! Quite a while back I bought a socket 1156 CPU (/motherboard), got stuck being unable to upgrade it at all. At the least an 1155 would have given me _a bit_ of upgrade space, but I have essentially no improvement due to such limited CPUs launched for it without a huge performance difference between them. And what's equally as bad or worse is that the motherboards are significantly more expensive. Like 40-50 CAD more from what I saw. This means if you get equal priced CPU, you'll still secretly be paying around 20% more!

[@moshahbf2]

Very informative, great video and thanks