Intel Hits Reset - Ultra 9 285K & Ultra 5 245K Performance Review

[@HardwareCanucks]

Over the course of testing, we were in contact with a number of reviewers who asked us about stability with 24H2. With our setup using the firmware / BIOS listed at 3:12 of the video, we had one of the smoothest experiences with a pre-launch platform we've ever encountered. It seems like other folks (many who were using MSI motherboards) experienced nightmares. Guess that's another reason to recommend you skip Arrow Lake for now. :(

[@apothecy4011]

I would say avoid ARL + MSI mobo combo , instead of ARL entirely. With Asus / Gigabyte mobos everything seems to be rock solid.

[@jebusnazareth1869]

It's anything but, ASUS were notoriously unstable for HwU... It appears to be related to the memory controller. People keep using OC profiles to reciew CPUs because manufacturers want the false advertising. Joe schmoe is going to use non XMP profiles. Only TPC and computerbase producce good reviews in this aspect.

[@apothecy4011]

@@jebusnazareth1869 I value stability over performance since i am making a pc for work , i will use a 6000mhz ram on my rig , so within the intel memory controller spec (which is 6400mhz)

[@apothecy4011]

@@jebusnazareth1869 am building a business PC so ram will stay within intel MC spec. Will be using a 6000mhz ram which is lower than 6400mhz.

[@apothecy4011]

@@jebusnazareth1869 I will be using a 6000mhz ram, which is within intel MC spec.

[@riba2233]

thanks for including 720p low and cb23, it is getting pretty rare so I really appreciate it!

[@mgb2012]

who run 720P in 2024? 1080p and 1440p should be the standard in 2024....

[@riba2233]

@@mgb2012 it is for testing CPU without being limited by the current gpus.

[@GetJesse]

@@riba2233yep, good for testing CPU without GPU limitation

[@egothebest47]

basicaly every cpu is cooked until the 9800X3D, then every cpu will be even more cooked

[@egothebest47]

watching this video as an 7800x3d owner made me feel great

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well the 7800X3D, depending on price, could be a better buy from a price / performance standpoint depending on how $$$ the 9800X3D is

[@tyoung319]

How is every CPU cooked? From a gaming only aspect maybe, but most CPUs aren't sold for gaming. The 285 is pretty boring, but the 245 walks it's price segment. The 9700X looks like it's in trouble as far as a mid level workstation segment.

[@nicolasmoreno8174]

Well, if you put to much voltage to this CPUs they will literally be cooked

[@drewnewby]

@HardwareCanucks I'm nearly out of 7800X3Ds at the price I am willing to pay, and I know the 9800X3D is going to be $549 USD. Thankfully, most don't need it for gaming only builds. 12400F, 7500F, and 5700X3D upgrades for now are holding. We need a new budget king for Ryzen 9000 soon, with the other nodes drying up.

[@121jackky]

love the charts very easy to underland,thank you BTW

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks for the compliment. We'd love more feedback about them since jamming this amount of information into a single screen becomes pretty risky.

[@bluemarble4051]

@@HardwareCanucks Your videos are so well edited & charts are fantastic!

[@RobertFromEarth]

+1, keep it simple. I like Steve but I get nothing from his overloaded charts!

[@javier_i]

I would love to see the 5800X3D in the gaming charts, maybe you can include it in the upcoming reviews for the 9800X3D.

[@HardwareCanucks]

It will be included in the X3D review. Promise.

[@stefanaraharijaona324]

It's included in the hardware unboxed review if you want to take a look

[@JayzBeerz]

Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus has it in their reviews.

[@paulhadley9047]

Also the 5700X3D please which is a bargain price

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

Wonderful even handed review. Great suite of tests, great explanations and stellar visual data that can be parsed at a glance.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks! Huge appreciation for the feedback

[@ebenezer8058]

a video show casing 7800x3d supremacy in gaming. Greatest Gaming CPU ever made Hands down the GOAT.

[@tyoung319]

Nah, the OG 5800X3d should probably hold that title still remaining super relevant today 😅

[@jnssmnsn]

@@tyoung319 Agreed, 5800x3d is the goat

[@iLegionaire3755]

Until the 9800X3D launches, confirmed 11% faster in gaming, 15% faster in multithreaded productivity workloads!

[@jnssmnsn]

@@iLegionaire3755 But at what cost? And keep in mind the 5800x3d is years old and still top notch performance.

[@abrarwiryawan]

whoever creates 3D V-Cache probably get instant promotion and paycheck increase at AMD everytime intel release new CPU generation

[@dudao4163]

People just dont realize how revolutionary 3D V-Cache is :)

[@yenmartin9115]

and the employee is from TSMC

[@ThomasKoelln]

@@yenmartin9115 TSMC is only the manufacturer, not the one who engineered 3D v-cache.

[@Riyozsu]

​@@yenmartin9115it's designed and made by AMD and tsmc together

[@SeanLi-i7n]

great video, fair and on point - ALK wins some and loses some. Let's wait what next - could take two more years till the Unified core is ready.

[@xarisathos]

Thank you very much for the Houdini benchmark you did, I was looking everywhere for a comparison like it! Even more real-world 3D apps results would be amazing!

[@NizarElZarif]

Just meteor lake and then Lunar lake, Arraow lake and Zen 5 seems to be focusing more on effiency for Server/Laptops market.

[@Synicaly]

I wonder if a lot of the gaming performance results comes from an unoptimized scheduler from windows 11. if AMD gained 10% in a windows update it’s gonna be interesting to see if ms and intel will keep pushing updates that makes the cores work as intended for their respective tasks

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well here's the issue. There haven't been any fundamental changes with Intels scheduler for this generation. They are still using an evolved version of thread director and the related back end components

[@Winnetou17]

@@HardwareCanucks Never underestimate Windows' scheduler ability to fail or underperform. Windows 11 is 3 years old yet we still have issues with AMD with chiplets and with Intel on 12th gen and newer. If it was properly competent, AMD wouldn't have had so many issues, wouldn't have needed so many special drivers, Intel wouldn't have needed Thread Director and especially APO. People wouldn't have learned what Process Lasoo is. To this day, even after the saviour that 24H2 is claimed to be, some games, like your own DooM Eternal test at 14:06 show higher FPS on R7 9700X versus R9 9950X. That should never happen. R9 9950X is same or better in every single metric, especially silicon quality and boost clocks, and as such, it should NEVER have less performance. But nobody has time to test with one chiplet disabled on BIOS or with Process Lasoo. All the above reek of how "performant" the Windows Scheduler is.

[@poeticsilence047]

I see what you did Mike. Talking about Intel doing a reset while wearing a NES shirt. I miss gaming systems having that.

[@HardwareCanucks]

FINALLY someone got it.

[@SlashBox999]

Brilliant video, my favorite of all the ones I've seen covering this launch. Specially for these graphs 03:20 04:05 09:35 18:00 They condense the information nicely. It would have been great to see similar metrics for overall productivity, though measuring that is trickier. Additionally, it would be valuable to include power and temperature data when the system is idle.

[@techluvin7691]

Yes……..your power consumption is incorrect. It uses power at the 24 pin also (60 to 70 watts additional)

[@HardwareCanucks]

How are you assuming that? HWInfo reports CPU Package Power directly from the CPU rail(s)

[@techluvin7691]

@@HardwareCanucks Only on the CPU power plug(s). Not off the 24 pin. DerBauer pointed this out.

[@DeeDee.Ranged]

@@HardwareCanucks Also GamersNeus shows it in their vids.

[@ridleyroid9060]

@@HardwareCanucks Assuming? Watch gamers nexus, it's dissapointing that such a big tech channel is so clueless when hardware unboxed did their due diligence to check in with GN before publishing their review.

[@skorne7682]

Cyberpunk: this game pushes the cpu like no other game we've tested. Satisfactory: hold my beer.

[@VK92KL]

Good to see competition again, good for us consumers

[@oysterhead5150]

This was the best review of Arrow Lake, I mean the gaming benchmarks were not insane compared to the other tech tubers, not sure what you guys did differently, but ever other tech KZbinr had Arrow Lake getting crushed in every game, whereas with your results, they faired much better. Nice work ;)

[@ceevee369]

I own the 265K for a week ( Made in Vietnam - leaked a bit earlier ) having replaced my i9-13900K (hot running) and can’t be more satisfied. CPU temperature dropped from 55-65 average to 38-45 average PSU consumption dropped from +300W to an average of 130-180W Fans run at 40% of power, can’t hear my rig even - totally quiet. Yes- I am a believer through usage. this is a good release

[@markozindovic9227]

Top notch work guys 💪 Scripted audio presentation accompanied by the information presented on the screen is👌 Chapters are done beautifully, with a sort of 'lets fact check the marketing claims with hard data' kind of vibe. All of them have a conclusion of their own Things keep on heating up more and more as the video goes on 👍 Charts are off the charts 😂 Everything has a logical order and it's color coded. If you believe that you can improve them further - be my guest. I wouldn't touch a thing

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks for the compliments. We always find room for improvement since we know we can always do better in some areas.

[@jefmes]

Thanks for the overview, I'm liking the new style of the low and high charts, I think it's a great way to show a reality check on GPU bottlenecks all at once instead of potential buyers focusing too heavily on pure framerates. I mentioned on another video that I'm using a Gigabyte B350 motherboard that has done well for me over multiple Ryzen generations, from 1700X to 5900X, and I was hoping to give Intel a chance this next round. But surprisingly to me, and proven in your charts, the 9700X and 9900X suddenly look all the more attractive against Arrow Lake for those of us wanting both solid gaming and productivity platforms in one. I'm really curious to see a 5900X vs 9900X vs 285K breakdown. As great as the X3D chips are, I just don't think they're for me with the lackluster productivity results...unless the 9800X3D really changes things.

[@quesawea5142]

I like this reviewer, very clear and precise. And his voice is very soothing, kinda calms me down and focus on the subject matter haha.

[@jezwinni107]

It is nice to see a grown up review of an Intel processor, everyone else can't resist having a detrimental title to pull in the Intel haters. I do think this is the best hardware KZbin channel, all the rest seems so angry and angsty, like they are on a crusade against evil corporations. Think Arrow lake is reasonably competitive, if falling a little short, not worthy of the dramatic titles all over KZbin. Gaming is a funny one and I get why you do 720 benchmarks, but in reality it is a draw because @ 4k or 1440 (the resolution people actually game at) it is 9 times out of 10 going to be a GPU bottleneck. The argument that as GPU'S get faster the bottleneck will shift makes logical sense, but not showing 1440 and 4k leaves people thinking their actual gaming performance will be hindered. I think you should mention where the GPU bottleneck sits now, at least show an average of games played @ 1440 and 4k, even if it just a straight line to show that right now it doesn't matter when it comes to gaming.

[@djayjp]

Anything over 90W is just wasteful.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Luckily, neither Ryzen 9000 nor Arrow Lake generally go above that while gaming.

[@freaky425]

meanwhile buying a 3090ti, 4090 and then 5090 hahaha

[@raulitrump460]

@djayjp only integrated gpu for you then.

[@djayjp]

@@raulitrump460 Lol I mean CPU

[@HosakaBlood]

@@djayjp higher core count always gonna suck more power in gaming who doesn’t use all core cuz those extra core even on idle use power comparing 8 core cpu power consumption in gaming vs something with more core is not fair if you compared the 9950x also suck more power than 3D chip with 8 core and lower clock speed

[@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153]

Just shows how good the 7800x3d is for gaming, at insanely low power levels as well. With good cooling, undervolting and PBO it's even better. For simulator games its a must.

[@whatyareckon5985]

How did you measure CPU power for the arrow lake chips? ASUS motherboards have up to 50w of power for the CPU running through the 24pin ATX connector so measuring power at the 12v eps cables is highly inaccurate. Software reported power has also proven to be highly inaccurate. Also It's odd a lot of your 1080p results seem GPU bottlenecked. Even using high settings, 1080p should show more CPU differences. The exception would be if you're testing in intentional GPU bottlenecked situations. Built in game benchmarks for instance.

[@HardwareCanucks]

OMG....the misinformation is high here. You are referring to transient outer (+12V PWR) loads vs what we use which is HWInfo's voltage rail reporting. One isn't more or less accurate than the other. We could literally probe the CPU rails and get completely different results. So...what's your point?

[@ridleyroid9060]

@@HardwareCanucks Oh so you are accusing Gamers Nexus of misinformation? I'd love to see that video.

[@MikeMan-q4v]

Arrow lake is day one. Performance will increase,

[@Bound4Earth]

Intel finally got on the not a space heater and the performance is trash, sad. Once the 9800X3D drops they cooked. Unless you like marginal productivity gains and I mean barely existing. The fact that this is a new socket guarantees no one is going to waste money on this but fanboys. New everything, especially the memory clocks needed to get scores in reviews are insane.

[@luckrequired5382]

Congrats Intel you won HC's "Dam, OK..." Award. 👏

[@soupsage]

Thats what ive been saying arrow is what intel is using as a new base foundation to build from.

[@HardwareCanucks]

But....24 PIN!!!???

[@soupsage]

Wait aint no way, that flew over my head as i couldnt believe it, arrow lake is really squeezing most of its juice from the 24 pin connector on the mobo.​@HardwareCanucks

[@extrememojo8387]

I have been using Intel since the 80286 😂. I always upgrade to the top of the line and that lasts me easily 3 years, when I get the itch to upgrade. Arrow Lake did the job and made me switch to AMD. New CPU arriving Monday. Some of the reasons: 1851 is likely a single generation socket, cudimm prices limited capacity and availability, disappointing performance. Efficiency is something people expect for free, not at the cost of performance. Hope they can recover, but with the problems in the previous generations and now the lackluster performance of Arrow Lake it may be an institutional issue… which creates additional concerns. Past results are not true predictors, but they are the best indicators of future performance, and Intel seems to be facing an uphill battle to a return to grace.

[@RobertFromEarth]

I presume you had the 14900K? If so, AMD has nothing that will give you a big boost in perf. I don't dispute the fact that AMD is top of the line for gaming. I'm just wondering what will you gain from the switch.

[@Winnetou17]

It's a bit sad that they finally did a move to go in the right direction, but people are expecting something else and they might have serious financial issues which might make them not able to properly develop the next generations. In other words, they're paying now the mistakes from 2-10 years ago, and even if they're doing now the good thing, it might be too late. I don't want Intel to disappear, but I also can't blame anyone who skips Arrow Lake. The efficiency makes me hopeful that at least on mobile they'll have a good generation. I actually do want my next laptop to be with Arrow Lake, though I'll decide after I see how it performs. I also hope they'll come out with CAMM2 support. And that Framework has a model too, that would be my dream.

[@BeastMortThe]

I also am switching to AMD for the first time. 16+ yrs in PC's and I've had enough. I get equal to, if not better perf from AMD + the added bonus of a huge power savings. Win Win

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

@@RobertFromEarthhe will gain a CPU which doesn’t degrade and fail in a few months time while drawing less power and putting out less heat.

[@stegosaurus8963]

Did you considered the power draw from the 24 pin ATX?

[@HardwareCanucks]

We consider CPU Package Power as reported by HWInfo which takes it's reading directly from the CPU voltage rail(s)

[@Vermilicious]

Isn't one fundamental reason behind the modular die design to save cost? If so, why are these processors still so expensive, I wonder. We saw here that the single die processors do well, which isn't too surprising. Transfer speeds within a silicon die is potentially much higher than through copper traces between dies.

[@xynonners]

N3B, that's why

[@geforce5591]

Save costs so they can make more profit.

[@AlleonoriCat]

They pay for TSMC instead of using their own node

[@Vermilicious]

@@AlleonoriCat Well, that's true, but I'm not sure if it's necessarily that much more expensive. Hopefully though, Intel will get their new node up and running soon-ish.

[@nipa5961]

One bigger monolithic chip is way cheaper than ARL tiles on the newest and most expensive node packaged and on a huge substrate and interposer. Intel won't make any money with ARL considering it's disappointing performance.

[@jbountalas]

If you have a 13 or 14 series higher end CPU, there may not be a lot here to push you to upgrade. An incremental improvement compared to the costs of going to an entirely new hardware platform, maybe not this time around. A smarter upgrade at least this year might be a new video card.

[@kalef1234]

I am excited for future iterations of Intel. This might be their Zen moment, well half of it

[@Dim_Test]

Why is no one talking about the fact that they went from 10nm to 3nm? And the power consumption only dropped a little, and the performance didn't increase at all. If Raptor Lake would just switch to 3nm it would be better!

[@eric-pl6rk]

7nm bro no 3nm that's a lie. I've seen 7nm on cpu z' derbauer's deliding the high end. That's why the power is still that much.

[@Winnetou17]

@@eric-pl6rk Are you saying that they lied using or paying TSMC N3B ? Or that TSMC lied somehow about delivering N3B and somehow Intel didn't notice ?

[@Winnetou17]

@Dim_Test it is disappointing a bit, but not that much. First, their 10nm++++ is actually just a bit better than TSMC's 7nm. Hence why Intel renamed it into "Intel 7". Still, that leaves us with 2 full generations (7 -> 5 -> 3) which is still quite a lot. But, the power consumption is not a little, it's quite a lot in some situations, even as high as half. Half power same performance is in line with 2 nodes of improvement. Also, they ditched hyperthreading (which helps in some situations) and also have lower clock speeds for single/dual core usage (and I think about the same on all cores workload). So not ideal, but I think it's also because of the move to chiplets, that alone makes them lose a bit of performance. But having a monolithic chip makes them more expensive and more limited in how they can grow. And less modular. And even so they're quite expensive (becase the N3B is expensive). If they have stayed monolithic it would've been even more expensive, as bigger chips have higher chance of having a fail and thus a higher percentage of a wafer would not be used, increasing the price for all the chips.

[@eric-pl6rk]

@@Winnetou17 it is 7nm on cpu z. I don't know if cpuz lied lol. but they lie to get you right lol

[@jessed0308]

Dude, your shirt is awesomeness.

[@PowellCat745]

Imaging using N3B and still losing badly to the N5 7800X3D. That’s 1.5 nodes of advantage for Intel.

[@abaj006]

The N3B is also the most expensive node, so Intel will lose money if they sell it for any less than current prices.

[@PowellCat745]

@@abaj006 yep

[@eric-pl6rk]

7nm on derbauers cpu z so no 3nm lol

[@PowellCat745]

@@eric-pl6rk Get a grip. Straight from Intel's official spec of the 285K: "CPU Lithography TSMC N3B" Look it up 🙂

[@PowellCat745]

@@eric-pl6rk Since when is CPU-Z more accurate than Intel's official spec page?

[@blueorbstudios9070]

Finally... Let's see what intel's got

[@AbbasDalal1000]

10:00 how did you check the power through software or hardware ? Cause its not only taking power from 12 v eps

[@HardwareCanucks]

We use HWInfo's package power which has proven over time to be extremely reliable.

[@nateTrh]

​@HardwareCanucks The issue is Asus engineering decided to change where the cpu gets it's power which hasn't been done in recent memory so although HWinfo is pretty reliable traditionally, on this one Asus board it's probably not accurate. Everyone else's reviews are reporting differently but it's not your fault. My guess is Asus and/or Intel did this purposefully to make the chips look better and to grab more sales which is a pretty scummy thing to do.

[@kumasswan4309]

The point that the author doesn’t get is that by cracking down on the power consumption the manufacturer is trying to leave that enthusiast PC building market and reach a broader desktop workstation (“work” is the key word) market

[@burnsyd17]

so the reviews consensus for Zen5 was it's "not for gamers", and yet.... the cheapest one is better for gaming than the best ARL that's more than 2x the price. wow.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well at launch Zen 5 was a dog in gaming. That's changed over the last few months, especially with 24H2 and to a lesser extent the new AGESA.

[@user-dj5se2os5v]

@@HardwareCanucks Same thing can happen for ARL, Asrock already had 3 bios updates before the release for z890 livemixer

[@burnsyd17]

@@HardwareCanucks Yes. ARL-S could have used a bit more time "in the oven", but for whatever reasons Intel wanted it out "now". I fully expect between microcode, BIOS, and Windows patches it WILL get better.

[@sc0or]

While we save one fan in a water cooler, we spend much more in a new motherboard. Good gob, Intel for a simple update. What was wrong with LGA1700 I wonder?

[@pantswagen]

Hello, content idea.... - challenge all your rival toobers to a fusion 360 learn and 3d print challenge - end goal being a 3d printed mini itx case.

[@ramonzaions7522]

Soooo... Its Official??? Intel its Official A Second Brand on everything?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well they certainly aren't the Budget Brand. I don't think their ego could handle pricing these chips at the cost they should be...

[@jumper55ful]

Intel flopped with the core Ultra processors, the 7800X3D, 5800X3D still killing it maybe next generation Intel

[@HardwareCanucks]

I think this sets them up for something a LOT better in the future but they need to take advantage of their Arrow Lake lessons before moving on to a completely different architecture.

[@Bigvirus]

Amd cpu stutters and microlags in game, its very annoing

[@greggysimmo]

5800X3D / RTX 4080 user here and no annoying cpu stutters or microlags in games 🙂

[@nipa5961]

Considering it's huge costs and node advantage ARL is a disaster. Even last last gen 5700X3D for

[@sureberferber9101]

PC Builders: I've got 99 problems, using Intel ain't one... 🤣🤣🤣

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

People who open programs that aren't games still choose Intel.

[@RobBCactive]

​​​@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorif they are ignorant, plenty prefer superior processor options. Intel have a process advantage and yet struggle against 2 year old 5nm chips using cheap RAM. The fact is the 7nm 5800x3D looks good against Core Ultra. Windows was nerfing Zen.

[@Design_no]

​@@CyberneticArgumentCreatoryeah nah, I'll take the 9950x as a general purpose cpu thanks.

[@56Victorine]

Pat Gelsinger (Intel CEO) gave himself a 40% raise in 2024 while firing 15,000 plus Intel employees…. and Introduced so this POS of processor. I've been in intel fanboy for years, in the past they've made some fantastic product . I'm officially boycotting Intel, I will not buy any other product until he is fired ! By the way I'm not an Intel employee! What he should have done was taken a pay cut, and give that money back to some of the hard working employees that would actually produce a good product for Intel! if everyone does what I do, and makes it vocal this guy's done!

[@Xathos]

Watch GN on the power draw stuff. Literally ignore everyone else. They didn't isolate/test accurately to show the actual true efficiency (or lack thereof).

[@HardwareCanucks]

We don't need to isolate in order to get CPU package power draw numbers. As a matter of fact, as you saw in the recent GN video, PSU isolation doesn't really work to accurately determine how much power is going to each component if current is split between connectors / components. Even GN has stated that if HWInfo supports a platform, you can get very accurate A/B power numbers due to the way to uses rail voltage measurements on most (but not all) platforms. And the HWInfo crew is VERY good at what they do for platform support; to the point where that even now have initial Panther Lake support.

[@intermarer9145]

Intel are now the budget alternative. They just haven't realized it yet. The prizes need to be cut in half.

[@sundhagaming]

Now intel chose to go allin with more power to stay in the market against AMD

[@randydavid3496]

Would love to see the AM4 X3D processors in the gaming charts to make Intel's new stuff a bigger joke.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We have the 7800X3D and sadly, due to all the retesting we did with 24H2, the new AGESA from AMD and microcode from Intel, we needed to cut the number of CPUs we included.

[@supersonicgood]

Intel Core Ultra 7 265k will be the best.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

The 9950X has 16 cores/ 32 threads vs the 285k's 24 cores. 32 - 24 = 8 threads not 12. And each thread in the core are sharing resources like L1/L2 cache. 2 threads usually convert to about .13-1.4 actual cores. Cinebench is a terrible tool to speculate nT performance.

[@BlueManatee]

Guess I'm just going to keep waiting for the 9800x3d.

[@Bigtymer781]

This is a fair review. These other big KZbin tech channels that I'm subscribed to (I won't name them, you probably already know) have become so anti-Intel that I don't trust them for reviews anymore. You seemed unbiased and professional. Good job.

[@zexedearth89]

😂

[@Bigtymer781]

@@zexedearth89 Nothing funny..

[@zexedearth89]

@@Bigtymer781 its very funny, cus this is the most biased and mellow review of them all, and the least professional one when it comes to actuall testing methodology. so yea.. its very funny 🤣

[@Bigtymer781]

@@zexedearth89 Bro, some of these other big channels can't even have a thumbnail image that isn't bias. Your head isn't screwed on straight.

[@spoots1234]

It seems the 265k and 245k are the CPUs that make some form of sense. I don't know why Intel bothered to launch the 285k because all it's done is get the entire architecture bad press at $600.

[@Lyzen999]

Theres no fucking way they're that bad for gaming.

[@club4ghz]

Maybe need some windows and bios updates

[@Aquaquake]

They were never going to be great for gaming. If you use PC just for gaming, just get any x3D CPU

[@apothecy4011]

​@@Aquaquake better for productivity, worse for gaming

[@techluvin7691]

Way dude!

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

There is no HT. I wish they just made a cpu with 20 P cores with no HT. I don't know why they are intent on those ecores which games don't seem to use at all.

[@BeastMortThe]

So what are my options then, as an uneducated no-tech-savvy person like myself, who wants the latest and greatest? Dip my toe into AMD for the first time and wait till January for the 9950X3D?

[@advaitBA]

Yep

[@YasukeNakamoto]

Honestly after building several PCs and my last being a 7950x3d. I was very disappointed. On paper the cpu was great and had good FPS, HOWEVER there were a ton of issues with blue screens and general stability. I honestly think Intel builds are way more refined. Sure you’re gonna lose a few frames but your PC will be rock solid for years. My old intel 10700k build never Blue Screened. This new 7950x3d was blue screening almost everyday. That’s why I’m going with 285k

[@Morne_Smith]

Its amazing how most of the biggest critics of AMD and the Zen 5 CPU's spinned this whole intel launch such that the intel launch seems ok? WHAT? They hardly have a 1-5% increase if ever? And the power usage is all hoax...look at cinebench sage etc. Using 250W agains tthe 14000K 253W? to achieve slightly better? This is on many reviewers reviews...you are all very kind towards intel.

[@HardwareCanucks]

The chip doesn't use 250W continuously in multi core workloads....

[@YasukeNakamoto]

AMD CPUs always have problems in my builds. Intel CPUs rarely ever give me blue screens. It’s why I sold my 7950x3d. Great performance but blue screen way too often.

[@bm373]

Guess I'm riding with my 14900ks for a while. ✌️🇺🇲

[@HardwareCanucks]

Make sure you use the new microcode though.

[@bm373]

@@HardwareCanucks Nah, lowers performance by 2% ✌️🇺🇲

[@riba2233]

@@bm373 so you won't be riding it for a long eh

[@club4ghz]

@@riba2233 You don't need the microcode update if you manually tuned whole system. It's only for the stock settings people.

[@riba2233]

@@club4ghz ofc, but in that case he wouldn't even talk about performance difference.

[@Aerobrake]

Coukd I ask what the timings were on the kits of RAM on each platform? 2:56

[@CANEHURRICANE]

how does this Chip stack up for running local LLMs?

[@frankwong9486]

Performance uplift 404 not found Ipc increased but clock decreased Old gen npu and gpu ( not newest in launched core ultra 200 laptop chip ) Power saving ( thanks but not critical) Intel please tell a reason why have to spend 500+ to get a new board and new slightly better 14900ks ?

[@zarent01]

To be honest, Arrow Lake seems more impressive than Zen 5, when looking at power efficiency in productivity. It makes me wonder how good it'll be if it was on a lower power limit. Still, I wouldn't get that and instead opt for Zen 4 for how cheap it is now. For gaming, R7 5700X3D is a no brainer.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

its shit ,it lose in most of tasks and it costs something more but 7950x are better choice then both considering its 20% cheaper with similarperformance

[@nipa5961]

Even low end Zen 5 outperforms Arrow Lake and the "old" 7800X3D is in it's own league. Huge disappointment!

[@hanooi7450]

Just get the 9800X3D and call it a life.

[@Airbrushkid]

Not for me. Do not want or need NPU!

[@smileinurhand]

Intel & AMD need more improvement. Intel Price is also too much for this spec 👎 Mac M4 is rocking the field with Les Cost. Can buy a Mac mini M4 at a VGA cost.

[@policeman5768]

Why there is no core ultra 7 ???

[@WayStedYou]

They hit regress instead of reset.

[@KovacsJoco89]

7800x3D beast gaming cpu

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

Intel needs to drop the price otherwise its another waste of sand like 11th gen chips.

[@FamilyMan-hr9os]

How efficient is a one and done 1851 socket? Really wasteful

[@wrishavsett2837]

What about an intel core i3 equivalent??

[@techluvin7691]

Why upgrade to a cpu that requires a new motherboard, can’t beat the 7800x3d in gaming, and loses hyperthreading 🤔👀. Yeah………..NO!

[@Demonoid1990]

Hmm hopefully Microsoft gets their shit together. I've seen a ton of individual benchmarks on windows since 21H2 up to 24H2 and a lot of people have seen a loss of performance with Windows since 22h2 sometimes in the neighborhood of 10-15% worse performance or FPS.. and then Windows 11 has pretty consistently shown worse results than Windows 10. Do to Microsofts horrid optimization as of late its making it difficult to get an appropriate gauge of how sone hardware is truly performing.

[@RedBeardedOne]

Great video and not worth the money to upgrade. Looking forward to AMD

[@BeastMortThe]

To think I was on the verge of dropping $1600 between the 285k and the ASUS Z890 Extreme. After watching another content creators review and then watching this review... both pretty much echoing each other... my future Arrow Lake build was tossed into the trash can, set ablaze and for safe measure... flushed down the toilet!

[@init_yeah]

Same I'm skipping Intel this time, maybe I'll use it for a sff if it's affordable. I'm not a sucker, I remember how Intel used to be smug about their lead and frankly needed this humbling.

[@RobloxianX]

The 9800X3D has already won

[@jordan3802]

Arrow Lake getting destroyed in both efficiency and performance by the 1 year old 7800x3d.

[@docmanh20]

I would have loved to see how the 1440p performance was. Many 1440p/144 hz monitors are coming way down in price, to around $200-$250 or less. I was planning on using the Ultra 5 245K for gaming/light plex usage but now it's almost November and after seeing two reviews now, I figured I might as well see AMDs response will be. Thank you for the video! :)

[@HardwareCanucks]

Yeah I understand that but you have to remember as resolution increases, so to does the potential for GPU bottlenecking. In a lot of games, that results in a flatlining of results since CPU horsepower doesn't really matter as much since the processor tends to "wait around" for information from the graphics card.

[@jnssmnsn]

If you want any CPU for gaming, the only real choice is the x3D chips. 5700/5800/7600/7800 x3D

[@docmanh20]

@@HardwareCanucks Thanks for taking the time to respond and explain that to me. Everything helps!

[@WSS_the_OG]

That's a GPU benchmark you're after, not a CPU review.

[@rangersmith4652]

With the Raptor Lake debacle still not satisfactorily concluded, Intel desperately needed to make a good first impression with Arrow Lake. Despite many reviewers trying to give Core Ultra the benefit of the doubt, that good first impression has mostly not happened.

[@JosephKarthic]

So I've been using my overclocked i5 760 first gen i5 till now paired with 1660 super, should i upgrade to this core ultra 5 or the 14th gen? I'm a casual gamer and browser... Can someone help?

[@yulpiy]

Go ultra 5 but I would wait for Prices to drop launch Prices are always a pain and the hollidays are coping.

[@YasukeNakamoto]

Ultra 5

[@ryanhallyyc]

I think the efficiency aspect of the new Intel chips are understated, particularly in an era where companies are trying to demonstrate emission reductions. While the gaming enthusiasts are slamming intel, the power efficiency aspect will be extremely attractive to corporate customers desiring to retool their equipment and reduce energy consumption.

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

Hits reset and then it blue screens

[@hyper8545]

X3D FTW BOO INTEL 💩

[@Roll_the_Bones]

Apologies, I started watching, but lost interest, no reflection on the channel. These might be just the ticket for commercial users, but they're not enthusiast cpus in any way, shape, or form. Catch you in the next one...!

[@ronald3836]

Why the huge black borders.

[@ryanvtec3885]

Well the cpus are a fail for this year let's hope the gpus coming from.nvidia change the landscape

[@helgeschneider9399]

True, true…

[@Kelekona_808]

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[@sacredabdulla5698]

тесты не тесты!! )) Ребята!! У вас 9600х в играх быстрее в среднем любого процессора от Интел, включая 285к и 14900к. Вы меня извините, но я сомневаюсь в справедливости полученных вами результатов. Вот честно.

[@MakeSh00t]

You want cinabench get threadripper you want gaming 7800x3d.. Why to bother anyway :d Other reviews 285k example not build in benchmark barely 125 fps vs 7800x3d 205 fps.

[@frikkievuiltrens]

Probably the only "positive" review at the moment.

[@EliteRock]

Blah, blah. I can't see much to choose between 13th/14th and 15th when they're all tuned optimally for volts and clocks (although of course that's a lot of work for the first two and probably beyond most users), maybe an incremental rise in speed for rendering and editing but we know they're worse for gaming. Screw Intel.

[@djayjp]

Desperately needs a perf/W chart.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Unfortunately, we were down to the wire on this one with all the retesting that was necessary to include Intel results with the 0x12B microcode, 24H2 and the new AMD AGESA.

[@seamon9732]

Watch the Gamer's Nexus review, it's all there both for gaming and productivity. Spoilers: Intel is still pretty bad.

[@Zhandos18]

Nice

[@djayjp]

@@HardwareCanucks Ah I hear ya

[@derenbong]

The power figure is wrong, go check out Derbauer’s,

[@HardwareCanucks]

Der8auer was specifically referring to inconsistencies with reporting in DLVR's Power Gate Mode. We test in an out of box (non-OC) config which uses by default the Regulation Mode.

[@derenbong]

@@HardwareCanucks that’s the issue, if you’re testing for power efficiency of the chip, power gating has to be taken into account

[@derenbong]

@@HardwareCanucks like, what happened to the spirit of tuning the system for DIY PC market? If I want a straight out of the box experience, I’ll just go get Macs,

[@riba2233]

@@derenbong 🤦‍♂ please don't

[@HardwareCanucks]

@@derenbong In Regulation Mode, as far as we understand it, there aren't any inconsistencies.

[@gaming-masters-news]

Have you tried the Intel Core Ultra 5 245K (Arrow Lake) Socket LGA 1851 Processor in UAE from GCC Gamers yet?

[@OverlordRosenburg]

As a gamer if I were to buy this CPU I would overclock until an avg temp of 70C-75C , below 60C is pointless. Derbaur8 has better stats to compare against in his video but fewer games compared, wish HW canucks can do the same, better for users to have results from multiple sources.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Completely understand but overclocking does very little to nothing for in-game framerates since by nature most games don't require the CPU to be running near its voltage / power cap.