Intel's Arrow Lake CPUs are FASTER Than You Think - Don't Sleep On This!

[@urazoktay7940]

I hope intel succeeds with this gen. I love Intel.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Do you love how they lied for at least half a year about 13th & 14th generations destroying it self over time?

[@Greez1337]

After the Zen 5 debacle, i'm not throwing much wieght to techtube's general opinions. Gonna wait for what the tweakers find out.

[@Frozoken]

Honestly the fact that skymont got such a big ipc uplift and is clocked higher stock and has the same clock speed between the ultra 5 and 9 meaning it's not even binned tells me it'll probably be an iverclocking champ. I'd bet you could get it to 5ghz all core

[@Masaim6]

Most reviewers outside techtube also called Zen 5 disappointing. Hardware unboxed went to great lengths trying to match the performance AMD was seeing and the Zen 5% stayed till the end.

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Win 10 and Linux users saw a 26% increase in performance, Win 11 was and still is the problem. Your also only comparing gaming benchmarks, it's an X series cpu, they get performance gains in productivity apps, the X3D is designed for gaming because games benefit from more cache. Why do people keep missing that point?

[@SuperAbo1]

intelclown Zen5 no debacle, windows task manager not working properly, and not loads the required block cpu, miss news?? go back to the beginning

[@royboysoyboy]

Tweakers know more about hardware than do-it-all journalists

[@trastewere]

To me Arrow Lake looks like stepping stone of a generation. The different tiles and how Intel first presented the Foveros packaging with how quick and 'cheap' they can change any tile on the CPU is going to start to show it's strength in a few years. If Intel's 18A process node is finally going to be released and hopefully it is going to deliver they can leave TSMC and get back with their own fabrication process.

[@lost4356]

yes arrow lake is product to please their investor lol so they didn't go through 2024 and sells nothing hence only one gen for LGA 1851 and didn't want relies too much on TSMC after this they probably put most of resource for like of panther lake and 18a, also so many people didn't realize that TSMC is their bigger competitor right know not AMD because if intel use TSMC from the beginning I believe they easily gonna win against AMD but they not gonna do that. even with their funding problem U.S government not gonna make company like intel go bankrupt

[@ericmatthews8497]

Yup.. It's their first tile-based desktop chip, DDR5 only + CUDIMM support, and Extra PCIe 5 lanes to the CPU. If you have a 13th or 14th generation CPU, and it's still working (I hate to say that), you don't need to upgrade. But, if you are on an 10th, 11th, or 12th generation Intel chip, then now is the perfect time to upgrade - because you have lots of choices. You can upgrade to Arrow Lake or even Raptor Lake and save some money. And there are two generations AMD platforms to chose from as well. And if your CPU is still getting the job done .. wait for the new Nvidia RTX 5000 series graphics cards.

[@Smiley-zm1rp]

@@trastewere sticking with AMD for now, if intel gets their crap together then i may jump back to intel.

[@Riyozsu]

Ryzen will still be more affordable and simpler and modular than Intel's tiles though. Intel should have released more products or atleast shown a road map of products like their own threadrippers and epycs competitors that will use same tiles but with lot of cores. This generation feels like they did chiplets just for not getting bad mouthed for high power consumption

[@mikaelbiilmann6826]

I still use my i5-9600K. It runs my games fine. As you said: In no rush to upgrade.

[@mikeramos91]

upgrading to a current gen cpu will be like getting a new graphics card

[@xenuno]

@@mikeramos91 I don't think there's a benchmark you can point to other than synthesized ones (vs productivity-game benches aka real world usage) that support your delusions. Per core processing plateu'd long ago and more cores are of use only when the software was written for those extra cores. Boost clock rate has gone up a lil ... say from 4 GHz to 5 GHz but as a percentage that's a relatively minor boost. Try again ...

[@SiliconSteak]

The tech and design of Arrow Lake sure is exciting, but man for desktop users it doesn’t offer much of anything we haven’t had before. I could see Arrow Lake being a overclocking beast, and who knows maybe that could save it

[@Frozoken]

The main thing it provides is more than 8 powerful cores at low latency. Ecores apparently have a ton of overclocking headroom as evidenced by the fact that the ultra 5 and 9 run at the same ecore frequency meaning they dont beed to bin them at all and with raptor like ipc if you could get them to 5ghz all core which sounds likely you have 24 powerful cores you can use in the foreground Not to mention unlike zen 5 the performance gains at least transfer to computer productivity workloads unlike them which only translates to the bs ai workloads for enterprises. Not to mention igou and io upgrades are pretty huge. First consimer gous with full dp2.1 bandwidth, the most cou pcie lanes, 2 cpu attached thunderbolt 4 port whichll be lower latency too etc

[@SiliconSteak]

@@Frozoken true it all sounds exciting until you realize it’s 0% gaming gain, 10% maybe 20% with oc multicore gain

[@Frozoken]

@SiliconSteak Eh it's more like 15-20% multicore gain and it seems to have way more oc headroom seeing the 14900k is literally just preoverclocked raotor lake

[@RuanLFC]

Yes but im sure if you OC it will be like zen 5 likely 10% at best OC but at a cost of 40% extra power making it back to what intel was trying to avoid a 149000k too hot

[@betag24cn]

nothing excitint on amd chiplets glued together using amd glue made on tsmc fabs

[@techwandoUS]

I enjoy the out of the box thinking about thinking about this one, I feel like it's just been channels smashing on it so far. You are on the right path of optimism with the DDR5 speeds.

[@DannyzReviews]

Thanks man, ya just wanted to take it from a bit of a positive or different angle as opposed to sulking with disappointment.

[@darreno1450]

Once you start talking about overclocking and 'tuning' to match the competition, you're on the track to failure and possibly dead CPUs. This is why X3D will remain king.

[@bios9678]

$550.00 on ram along with $1000.00 motherboard just to beat x3d 😂 intel fanboys will still find a way to cope

[@rattlehead999]

x3d is just for games, but at the same time CPUs are more than fast enough to play games now. Even on a Zen3 you can play any game no problem with very high fps.

[@thecastawaycouple]

I know 90% of people only care about gaming so this will be iill received but for people like me who do video editing, use Revit and do 3D rendering, video encoding and decoding… Intel offer an Igpu that AMD just don’t give you. I was considering 9950x this build but the only thing stopping me is to see Arrow Lakes gaming ability with faster RAM. Because if it can gain a few fps and provides better productivity in the tasks I mentioned, it will actually be the best all round CPU you can buy this gen

[@davidandrew6855]

_"it will actually be the best all round CPU you can buy this gen"_ I don't know about that.. it will be interesting to see, but I was kind of impressed with the multi-threaded increase in some use cases the 9950x had over the 7950x and the 14900K. To my knowledge the new Core Ultra CPUs do not have AVX 512 support, and for some that will pay dividends in specific workloads. I will hazard a guess that both will trade blows, and either will be good enough for anyone, neither will be the best at everything.

[@thecastawaycouple]

@@davidandrew6855 yeah I completely agree. I’m just trying to weigh up which one will serve my use case best as I’m on a 12700kf and regrettably not that impressed with it. Caveat being when I say out on that build, I never expected to start video editing and architectural rendering or using Revit etc. it was purely for gaming. Now I really could have used the iGPU for media encoding. What does AVX512 actually do? I have no idea what it is lol. Guess I’ll just have to wait for independent reviews for content creation and gaming and figure it out. I think it will actually be a tough choice for my specific use cases

[@davidandrew6855]

​@@thecastawaycouple I am impressed with what we know so far of the Core 200 Series, so I am keeping my eyes open on what to build next. The Core Ultra 9 could very well be a monster in some workloads, I agree. AVX 512 is used in a number of different programs like Blender, or x264 and x265 video encoding from what I understand. It is also something that more scientific applications can leverage and analytic software and cryptography. To be honest I doubt I've ever used it, but for some it may pay dividends if time is money.

[@thecastawaycouple]

@davidandrew6855 aaahhh OK. Thanks for the info! Looking forward to the 24th. See how these things compare. I like to watch Tech Notice a lot because he covers a lot of DaVinci Resolve etc. But like you say if AVX512 helps with that, I think it'll be AMD for me. Been looking for reasons to leave Intel for a while but too scared deviating from what I know. Anxiety much?🤣

[@davidandrew6855]

@@thecastawaycouple I think Intel has had a very lout wake-up call, I have a good feeling about 200 series. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

[@Unprotected1232]

Intel Arrow Lake is a wait and see. With such a drastic change to the architecture we should brace ourselves for some whacky gaming performance scaling. We've had similar situations with the dual CCD Ryzen 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Sometimes the 3D Vcache works miracles, other times the dual CCD gets in the way of your gaming experience. All I can say is that you're better off with the 7800X3D. That is unless you need the additional cores for productivity.

[@neti_neti_]

This is a good move by Intel, they are going in right direction. I don't mind that the 285k is 5% slower in gaming compared to the 14900k, as we are not limited to just gaming, we do other productive things too. upgrading from 9900k to 285k will be sweet.

[@ryanspencer6778]

The 285k isn't 5% slower than the 14900k in gaming, everyone read that slide wrong. The 265k is supposedly 5% slower than the 14900k and the 285k is supposed to be "on par", which means +/- 3%. The reality is that they ended up being so close in gaming performance that some games will be a win for the 285k and some will be a loss. 9% IPC increase + -6% clockspeed regression on the P cores = ~3% increase in performance over Raptor Lake.

[@neti_neti_]

@@ryanspencer6778 Thank you for your detailed explanation 👌👏👏. I like 285k's new IMC @ 6400MT and low power consumption , as i prefer not to use a water cooler on my CPU, so this is a welcome development.

[@yamsbeans]

it will be worse than last generation in everything it has less threads and slower cores

[@XDSingularity]

Same here with my 10900f, but I will be waiting to 285f, or some cheaper with less power consumption.

[@neti_neti_]

@@XDSingularity 👏👏👏

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, very informative, thank you.

[@mkatakm]

With these prices Intel is committing suicide.

[@da1punisher]

Good review. You hit all the salient points, including why Intel does not deserve our trust or money.

[@rluker5344]

Arrow lake should be a very large performance improvement for typical corporate and OEM buyers. Lunar lake should be a large improvement for mobile device buyers. Intel seems to be catering to their market base this round. And I agree, Arrow Lake seems to be very tunable. Intel said they don't expect a lot of P-core headroom, but there should be a fair amount with the E-cores. Also the SOC chip with the memory controller and the communication lanes between are separately overclockable from the cores. Lots more dials to turn if you like that sort of thing.

[@FionatheFiend]

I switch back and forth between AMD and Intel at every generation. Now it's time for team blue for me. Going to pick up core 9 ultra 285k and Gigabyte Z890 Xtreme when they launch. My 4090 will see 3 generations of CPU upgrades. The 5090 can't come soon enough. I'll get that on day one when it launches.

[@Me-eb3wv]

You should definitely make a video showing off your build, im interested in seeing how an arrow lake gaming set up would perform

[@pablosanmartinvarela1773]

Hi Danny! I've been following you for some time. Just wanted to say that I prefer your analysis and reflections on the current state of affairs than speculations about the future. Looking forward to your opinion once 3rd party benchmarks are out.

[@eg9574]

Now that it’s released I guess it’s faster then the benchmark software thinks too now.

[@nempk1817]

Sure bud

[@GregorMima]

Aged like fine wine 😂

[@pazitor]

I like the direction things are going for Intel now, as power use limits my gaming hours in energy-expensive Europe. Even its iGPUs are now at least usable.

[@rattlehead999]

Lunar Lake has a faster iGPU than Strix Point on average.

[@paulroberts7429]

The question is how does it compare to Amd's x3d line for gaming

[@rattlehead999]

Both give you over 200fps at 720p with a rtx 4090 so it doesn't matter. :D

[@paulroberts7429]

@@rattlehead999 I heard they are dreadful for gaming, I want a Cpu to pair with 4080s, any suggestions.

[@rattlehead999]

@@paulroberts7429 Ryzen 7 7700 non-X. It's 65W, costs 260$ it's only 0-7% slower than the 9700x and only 10-20% slower than the 7800x3d at 1080p with a 4090, so with a 4080s the difference is even lower(next to none) and if you play at higher than 1080p resolution there won't be any.

[@paulroberts7429]

@@rattlehead999 4k monitor

[@rattlehead999]

@@paulroberts7429 So no difference at all.

[@michalgajdos7575]

ANY BENCHMARKS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM? SINGLE ONE?

[@killerrf]

10k ddr5 wont make a diff in gaming other then purely benchmarks. 6400 tuned to 8000 tuned there is not that much diff by the eye without the little counter in the corner telling you what fps is. It will be cool to see but will and need to be tuned to get most out of and 99% of gamers will only hit xmp and go.

[@silfrido1768]

10000CL66 🤣🤣🤣 is going to feel horrible

[@Frozoken]

Who knows they now have 24 very capable cores. The more cores you have and the stronger they are the more performance you need and the fact that the 16 little core bith got an enormous ipc uplift and are clocked moderately higher means theyre gonna need a ton more bandwidth

[@silfrido1768]

@@Frozoken bud sadly the latency will go up with it….

[@Frozoken]

@silfrido1768 Only a bit and you can just overclock the fabric to help that uts not 2d chaplets so the latency penalty isn't that bad. Not to mention there's no longer any latency penalty with the ecores so you can use them in the foreground too now in thread heavy games

[@killerrf]

@@Frozoken yea we have no idea yet on how imc controls will work but to get 10k i dont doubt that it will be gear4 but have to wait and see. If its gear 2 at 10k thats a big increase to their imc. Im betting its gear 4 to reach those speeds. The motherboard signal integrity is going to have to be very good also

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

core ultra is the only cpu capable of running dota at constant 360 fps, 14700 not quite, but fast too but this ultra almost certain running at 6ghz+ which add even more fps

[@rattlehead999]

No, Arrow Lake will run at 5.2-5.7Ghz

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

I agree, the power consumption was obscene, it's good to stop seeking performance for one or two generations and use this side step to reduce power usage. Granted, i wish we still had Hyper Threading on the U7 and U9 at least.

[@rattlehead999]

Absolutely agreed on the power consumption. There is no hyper threading because they don't need it anymore. Meteor Lake got 7% integer and 16% floating point performance from hyper-threading and Arrowlake/Lunar Lake cores are even less bottlenecked so if it had hyper-threading it would increase power consumption and die size a lot for 4-10% increase in performance increase. Hyper-threading only exists to compensate for bottlenecks in the architecture, the less bottlenecked an architecture is, the less performance it gives.

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

@@rattlehead999 Yea, thanks for the explanation :)

[@rattlehead999]

@@Vanessinha91Pucca no problem you're welcome.

[@Me-eb3wv]

I’ve seen you on all sorts of gaming PC videos

[@defectiveclone8450]

The only CPU worth getting excited about this gen is the 9800X3D

[@J.king87]

for 5 % ?

[@RuanLFC]

​@@J.king87its not out yet where are you getting 5% from lol plus its likely going to use less power so more for less and less cost is a no brainer unless your retarded 😂

[@Met1900]

Not even that. Same as 7800x3d.

[@RuanLFC]

@@J.king87 5% of what ???

[@RuanLFC]

@@J.king87 ? 5% of what you think the 9800x3d is gonna be only 5% better than 7800x3d ?

[@BIG_HAMZ]

I see the thumbnail change..

[@DannyzReviews]

KZbin now allows creators to upload 3 thumbnails at the same time,, and it runs a test to see which one performs the best and changes it to dominant one. Thanks for watching.

[@BIG_HAMZ]

@@DannyzReviews oh cool, I like the one that has the 10,000 M/T ram speed on it. Good vid

[@marcel151]

@@DannyzReviewsBut 10000 Mhz is just wrong.

[@briankleinschmidt3664]

My 9th gen i7 is still overkill. It does get warm though. . .

[@rattlehead999]

True, Zen2 and higher and Kabylake and higher are more than enough for gaming.

[@Me-eb3wv]

Growing up our family laptop would get real toasty that during winter time I remember turning it on just to warm up my hands

[@LivelysReport]

Intel, how about making an all P core cpu, perhaps 16P cores, with or without hyper threading.. for the 1851 platform.. we can call it an Intel Ultra 295KP 16P cores either threaded or not threaded, whatever you like, I am good without Hyper Threading, and add larger on chip memory caches.. gamers would be scooping them up for sure..

[@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448]

They only have die space for up to 12P core and also limited by ring bus speed when going above 12

[@LoRdDyY45]

Then make a chip that can fit more than 12 cores I know know revolutionary idea

[@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448]

@@LoRdDyY45 you didn't heard about Bartlett lake ? It's out soon it's a raptor lake chip tho but it's a i9 12p core a i7 10P core and a i5 8p core no i3

[@kennethwilson8236]

if these even match 14900k, 14700k or 14600K with the matching newer Arrow lake CPUs it will be huge due to the improvement in power usage

[@konvictz0007]

Regardless of what you say, it's disappointing that we are current current gen performance in a next gen product. The efficiency is good, but performance isn't good enough. I was really looking forward to arrow lake. I use it for productivity and gaming, so it's sad that Intel are in this position right now.

[@jorgeaugusto6076]

So... Where's the punch?

[@damienretro4416]

A 14700K that runs cooler and uses much less power could be quite interesting for those of us that want gaming and productivity performance. The only concern is whether ditching hyper-threading hurts too many apps & games. I remember using a 4-core i7 back in the day and it outperformed newer 6-core i5 CPUs that didn't have hyper-threading.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Maybe your i7 had higher clocks as well?

[@henson2k]

Boring performance from AMD/Intel. Wake me up in 2026

[@rattlehead999]

I want them to be more power efficient before they keep increasing performance.

[@henson2k]

@@rattlehead999 and I want both at the same time

[@rattlehead999]

@@henson2k Sure, 1000$ for the cheapest CPU then.

[@henson2k]

@@rattlehead999 No

[@rattlehead999]

@@henson2k you can pick 2 out of 3. 1. Higher performance, 2. Better power efficiency 3. Low(ish) prices. The only way we get more performance and lower power consumption is if they made the cores wider, but ran them at around 3.5Ghz for the peak efficiency curve. But if the cores are wider, they take more die space, if the CPUs take more die space they cost more.

[@Amite-zg2ob]

Nice practical review

[@cmasscmass]

Oh, also, the bad thing about these lineups is that the Z890 motherboard may need a bios up date to run stable. Looks like another hidden program with these CPUs as well. We'll have to wait and see. I've always used Intel, but I have to switch to AMD with the way things are going. AMD is aware that users build customs, and a lot of money is spent getting these systems to customers.

[@xnyte]

They really took a *Arrow* to the knee. Then drowned in their *Lake* 😔.

[@vincentk3502]

Seems like this video did not age well.

[@gamingcomputers7485]

first of all hello and i hope it won't be disappointed i prefer to wait and see what it comes out of it instead of right away judge if its trash or not by if it turns out to be completely slower then if they priced at 600$ which im sure intel will try to do then its doa and this year will conclude as mid products launch at nothing more than a products that have launched at extrapolate amount of money and both had wasted potential especially in the gaming space that it is (and no im not expecting an x3d level of performance so before you say to me "oh but why do you expect its not an x3d level of performance" this has nothing to do with an x3d level of performance matching last gen x3d is not to expect an x3d level of performance uplift because an x3d level of performance expectation is way higher than that) so don't try to come in the comments and excuse because its not x3d so its fine that its not faster than last gen of cpus and the worst part is that it would lose many times to its older counterparts and that is already enough to make it an inferior product for me and if intel turns to be similar or worse than this will conclude it as both mid/inferior products of this generation.

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

no its okay to sleep on it, with no confirmed upgrade path, little gains and very expensive cost to jump into a platform that intel wont even guarantee lava lake will work on it, min gains in gaming and okay MT boost, doesnt seem worth it, less power new arch who cares , it might matter in 2-3 more generations. Intel is LITERALLY telling you to tamper your expectations that says alot when there always like apple and do everything they can to make sure there numbers look good on top of all that the motherboards are godly expensive for yet again no guarantee you wont be rebuying everything again in a year, the FOMO for one of the least exciting intel processor in years is mind boggling to me.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

Higher megatransfers after a certain point don't give (much) more performance in gaming under today's common scenarios because we are relying more and more on large amounts of cache on the CPU (game engine) combined with a dedicated GPU doing all of the rendering in VRAM. The small repetative things the game engine needs to update hit up the L2 and L3 cache until they are full, and when they spill over into system memory it is timings and latency moreso than sheer bandwidth that drive framerates. More MT at the same latency would scale closer to what you would think (8000 is 133% of 6000 for example), but the slower timings of the "faster" RAM make it a wash, or diminished results. AI and iGPU are where these capacities, speeds, and bandwidth pay off. When your CPU needs to analyze a 10GB LLM or do all of the work of a GPU in a modern game, that is utilizing 8000MT DDR5 in a way that would see performance scale linearly. This is why a Lunar Lake mobile chip has 8533MT LPDDR5X but it isn't getting anyone's attention. It only really does anything for the integrated graphics, which these memory speeds are laying groundwork for to get good once the CUs are increased, but they aren't there yet.

[@kotenkostiantyn1282]

No Thunderbolt 5, last two generations were very unstable, we gonna need a lot of testing from reviewers to decide if we will buy it or not

[@yungnachty4474]

I mean other than whatever gains DDR5 brought, I think a lot of people don't even need to upgrade much past Zen 3 and 12th Gen CPUs for most things. Newer CPUs aren't helped by the fact there is a lot of Zen 4 and 13/14th gen out there in addition to the formerly mentioned Zen 3/12th gen CPUs. There just isn't a need to upgrade for most. Everything From Zen 3 and up is often great for 240hz gaming these days and most people are on 1080p/60hz with the next step up maybe being 1440p 144/240hz as those get really cheap.

[@mrlemondaddy]

I'll wait for the 9800x3d before deciding. It is hard to trust Intel due to the instability issues. Depending on the next moves of AMD, I might build a full AMD build because of Ngreedia prices.

[@PaulsTechSpace]

It was a motherboard problem that led to CPU instability, along with that arrow lake consumes nearly half the power of Raptor Lake.

[@ZackSNetwork]

The instability was the motherboards pushing tons of voltage into the 1st and 2nd CPU cores. An easy fix is to lock the cores.

[@JasonKing-m6m]

I don't have a 10KW PSU I am afraid...

[@samserious1337]

5:25 we have no idea at which PL the 14900K ran, so I wouldn't call it a win either.

[@kazuviking]

The stock 253W one as they said.

[@Pillokun]

Intel compared ArrowLake with 6400 ram to zen5 and 14900k with a bit slower ram, albeit with tighter timings. And ofcourse we will see much higher gaming perf if we run with 8000MT/s ram, just like it is today with any lga1700 cpu. But there is one but, the memory controller is on another tile, and that might be worse than if 14900k ran with 8000mt/s. But maybe they have improved the imc so the tiny latency penalty going from the compute tile to the soc tile might be mitigated a bit? my 12700k today with ddr5 is way faster than when I ran with ddr4, and with ddr5 at 7800mt/s it is another perf jump from 6000mt/s. What I dislike with arrowlake is that the e cores are still on the same ringbus, and not even that, they are placed in between a p-core which might as well increase latency because there is now bigger distances between each p-core. even though it is not the distance to the cores that really matter but the l3$ of that core. Itx never meant for memory oc? well they have always been better at memory oc, and infact they can get even less latency because of the shorter traces between the cpu socket and the dimm slots compared to the two dimm slot atx boards.

[@kazuviking]

6000 with tuned timings beats the 7800 on LGA1700 every time.

[@Pillokun]

@@kazuviking u run tighten on 7800 as well, u dont run xmp because they are loose.

[@Solrac-Siul]

considering that it will be using cudimms and they already said that 8000 is the sweet spot, it is almost sure than the ultra 5, ultra 7 and ultra 9 will manage 8000, with probably the ultra 7 reaching 9000 and the ultra 9 going above 9000.

[@kazuviking]

@@Pillokun tuned 6000 scores the exact same as the more expensive 7800 or 8000 tuned as well. There is no point wasting money on them.

[@Pillokun]

@@kazuviking 6000c30 are the same price as 7200c34, u might even get 7800/8000mt/s on the 6000c30 sticks if they are a-die so price is irrelevant. who is buying 8000mt/s ram when u can buy any a die and oc yourself. @Solrac-Siul I am thinking about maybe picking up an itx and and the highest end ultra 9 cpu, but I want first to see if it actually can achieve high mem clocks and if it actually results in higher perf. Would suck if it turned out to be like on am5 where 8000mt/s is slower in pretty much every game but final fantasy and another. my 7800x3d on my b650e master is just for show right now as I dont play any race sims now(bored) and in fps games my 12700k with the fast ram is just as fast and in some titles like in wz faster by 20+ fps. So hoping that there is no bottleneck like on the am5 platform.

[@Lemard77]

I feel like the ultra 5 would be the more interesting ones actually since they have closer clock speeds to the previous gens i5s, so the IPC improvement should be felt more in that case. Only downside about hoping for good scaling with 9000-10000 DDR5 is those modules arent going to be cheap, so in the end they might be powerful but not worthy compared to a 7800X3D/9800X3D which might get the same performance with cheap memory

[@ayyveezee2079]

Now that Intel is in their "glue" era, I'm curious how the latency is with arrowlake versus their monolithic counterparts.

[@rattlehead999]

Their tiles are much lower latency and much higher bandwidth than AMD's current interconnect between their modules(chiplets), but also they are more expensive to produce due to that.

[@theanglerfish]

Thank you i think 285K worth a shot for me for movie editing and science computing yea even some games but i will wait for new ram type for these cpus and motherboard as well

[@saricubra2867]

The loss of Monolithic Ring Bus that Intel kept since Sandy Bridge to Raptor Lake definetly sucks so bad. P-core IPC improvement on Alder Lake, 19%.

[@Demonoid1990]

I may pay a little extra for a binned 285k, see how far I can get with overclocking on an air cooler. Be a good comparison vs my old 3770k. I managed to overclock it to 4.9GHz back in the day, on an air cooler, before I was hitting instability issues and thermal limits. (Reduced to 4.5GHz for my daily use) I've got a beefy air cooler waiting for my next build. I'll be interesting to try my hands at it overclocking again. My 9700k in my laptop I had to underclock and undervolt to get acceptable thermals.. At least this time around I'll be going back to a desktop setup. Kinda eyeing that Asrock Taichi OCF board. Just too bad EVGA has since dropped outta the market more or less.. I may wait for a bit though, as I'd like to try out a CAMM2 MOBO.

[@auritro3903]

Honey, wake up, DannyzReviews just uploaded

[@bios9678]

Arrow lake at 9000mhz is going to perform the same as raptor lake at 8000mhz DDR5 because of the tile design. +15ns difference. Unless you spend an absurd amounts of money on binned CUDIMM for 10000mhz DDR5 it isn’t going to provide much of an uplift in gaming

[@Patrick73787]

Probably, but realistically very few Raptor Lake chips can run 8000 while 9000 will be achievable by the majority of Arrow Lake chips.

[@panjak323]

Isn't the latency still far ahead of AMD ? Also it shouldn't be that important with enough cache and bandwidth.

[@idunnomang]

I m o one of the biggest issues with Intel CPUs the last few gens was the Heat and power use requiring water cooling for upper end CPUs to run at full speed. All I care about is if it's an improvement from a 12700k on ddr4 and can be cooled with my noctua tower. Maybe the 12700k will be staying awhile it depends on upcoming reviews but it's hard to imagine not getting gains when going up 3 generations and moving to ddr5.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Finally someone with a brain and not some bone headed caveman gamer: Me no want efficiency... Me want 5 more FPS.

[@laggmonstret]

Caveman? I do both have a PhD and game, I also want efficiency. But that's why I went with AMD last time ;)

[@jadhal6649]

Sir laptop 288v CPU has GPU intel arc 140 Can desktop cpu has similar performance of I GPU or less performance. ?

[@rattlehead999]

the desktop ones will have half the iGPU cores(4 Xe Cores) of the arc 140(8 Xe cores), which means around 65-70% the performance.

[@nhanNguyen-wo8fy]

I'm amazed how cheap Core ultra 200S is, with all 3d packaging and 3nm TSMC. The motherboard price gonna be real expensive.

[@Lone_GamerUK]

The problem is, though, that on top of the chip cost, you have to invest in a whole new socket/motherboard. So, the prices and performance plus this change aren't that compelling, especially when Intel refused to confirm the socket's future! This socket may be a 1 or 2 gen max-only socket/board which undermines confidence.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Just sell the old CPU and motherboard is not a big deal. The ram can be re-used if you bought DDR5.

[@ryanspencer6778]

Most people upgrading will have to do that anyway. Most people don't upgrade to the new chip every year. Most people wait around 5 years, so those people will need a new platform anyway.

[@Lone_GamerUK]

@@ryanspencer6778 True. I just feel that to entice more people to invest in a new socket and chip, it needed to be more compelling and have a socket future, but both didn't happen.

[@UltimateSage101]

Well this video aged like milk. Intel dropped the ball big time, lets hope bios or windows update can fix some of these lackluster gaming performance.

[@da1punisher]

Warm milk at that. With the current brain drain going on at Intel, the rock bottom morale, merit based bonuses being canceled, 401k contributions cut in half, no more free coffee and snacks, layoffs, etc. any quality talent is off to happier hunting grounds. Don't know how Intel is supposed to pull out this nosedive under such circumstances. All that bluster about putting AMD in the rearview mirror turned out to be because Intel is heading the wrong direction.

[@GameHEADtime]

Powersupplies need to catch up to the technology if the cpu can rely on a psu instead of digivrm whatever it is.... I hope this technology makes it into cars too side topic but yeah....

[@biomagic8959]

give it a rest bro, it's a waste of sand. and producing it on a cutting-edge node will only burn cash for intel.

[@jserenity]

Ill wait a year and find out first if it doesn’t oxidize

[@rattlehead999]

most likely doesn't.

[@jserenity]

@@rattlehead999 i hope so. I want it to succeed so it can drive competition and lower the price of amd threadripper pro which i am planning to buy

[@rattlehead999]

@@jserenity makes no sense as they don't have a HEDT platform, this doesn't compete with threadripper.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Dude, it's made in TSMC. No worries about it. What I would be afraid of is whether this processor might have the same flaw as the previous generation, which most likely degraded the cache.

[@stepbruv8780]

Could be like Chiplet 1st gen for intel

[@jamegumb7298]

I would like back an Intel for some light video editing. I want to start with i3 or oops Ultra 3 now assuming it is not a previous gen refresh as rumoured but Meteor Lake refresh at the least as rumoured, small something so mini-ITX room for a 2 slot Battlemage card to test and try some things out. Ultra speed memory would help with this but I worry about the cost to be honest. I think I will order another modified HZmod XQ69 rom the ocal metalshop and have it ready.

[@Ace-Brigade]

$50 less than the 9950x? You do know that they've quietly lowered those prices significantly right?

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

its 630$ retail its not cheaper lol

[@explqicot3293]

OKAY HEAR ME OUT IM ON A BUDGET but from what I hear what’s ur guys opinion 14700k or 265k ?!

[@epeksergastis]

265 hands down

[@pvdgucht]

One generation would be really fucked. I invested in this new platform despite no performance increase hopign that I would at least be able to upgrade next year for the next gen.

[@AaronGrady-e1o]

Seems like intel advertised it.

[@betag24cn]

intel is in the bottom, so probably yes.

[@carlz3955]

My ryzen 5 5600X is about time to retire, I will probably switch to intel if the price is justified, Ryzen is good but I want to support Intel in their difficult time, because hard time creates strong man, just like ai support AMD in their difficult past.

[@wreyamon4472]

I still am on my i5 12th gen. 😅

[@gedeuchnixan3830]

I still can´t get around the fact: 430W stock, are you freaking kidding? Just because it´s better than the last doesn´t make it anything good for a consumer CPU, for those who are around long enough: that´s way more stock power draw than an outragously overclocked Core2Quad and as much as a freaking 4090! How is that justified for consumers? I wouldn´t say anything if this was a professional CPU like Threatripper or Server CPU like Epyc.

[@Patrick73787]

That's total system power, not the CPU alone.

[@gedeuchnixan3830]

@@Patrick73787 Yeah for CPU, mobo, RAM and nVME, no GPU thats build in so my point stands.

[@mbenoni7397]

​@@gedeuchnixan3830Why do you think it doesn't include GPU?

[@gedeuchnixan3830]

@@mbenoni7397 iGPU? GPUs a way different so you can´t really include them and give an accurate number on power consumption can you?

[@YouTubeAccount-i4m]

Now we need more windows optimization updates and bio updates for a slower transitional CPU 😂 I’ll just stick to my 5.8ghz 13700k

[@chadweirick]

came out and it isn’t. It isn’t even very stable. We need a viable second player.

[@TheShmrsh]

Why do you think 245k is not enough for games ? It should be faster than 14600k so i don't get your point

[@Frozoken]

I'd argue it's actually a better choice because for the games that exceed 6 cores you can always use the much stronger ecores that no longer have any latency penalty unlike the 14600k. It's raptor lake ipc remember and apparently has lots of oc headroom so at 5ghz you're getting a 12700k in pcores as your ecores

[@DannyzReviews]

never said it wasn't enough for games. However for a CPU with just 6 P-cores it's priced way too closely to the ULTRA 7s

[@TheShmrsh]

@@Frozoken why ecores are stronger than p cores ? I thought it was the opposite.

[@TheShmrsh]

@@DannyzReviews ah, we'll see how It will be priced in EU

[@Frozoken]

@TheShmrsh I didn't say thst I said it's very close. According to intel the p cores on arrowlake have +9% ipc over the pcores on raptor lake and the ecores have +2% ipc over the pcores on raptor lake so at the same frequency, the ecores are now stronger than last gen pcores. The gap closes even further now that pcore frequency has gone down from last gen while ecore frequency has gone up. At stock the 14600k had 1.3ghz higher P core frequency than its ecore, on the 245k its now only 400mhz difference in all core frequency

[@cmasscmass]

The best CPUs were the 10th, 11th, and 12th generation. Anything after that is garbage in my book. I don't trust these makers due to the 13 and 14 generation over heating. Had all CPUs came out with cpu cold plates, it would be different. But after searching the network, I found these cold plates that should have been included in all sales. Every user can't always build custom, so how would you know to research a fix due to the amount of money spent in the build.

[@K9PT]

You forget two things...NEW MOTHERBOARDS and COOLING...so this is going to be EXPENSIVE!!

[@darkoz1692]

The current coolers will still be compatible with the new 1851 socket

[@K9PT]

@@darkoz1692 WRONG!!

[@darkoz1692]

@@K9PT - nope RIGHT!

[@TalonsTech]

@@K9PT RIGHT!!

[@Met1900]

A good all around CPU with good performance per watt. I want no more heaters in my room, gona buy the 265k. Best CPU for the buck if the price is like shown.

[@paulboyce8537]

125-250W and it is on bar with the top and best CPU's. Yes I think it is under powered. At this Wattage paired with AMD/Nvidia GPU it doesn't need the power for simple reason CPU makes very small gain for AMD/Nvidia GPU architecture. You can slap any CPU from last plus 5 years and it will idle/hover around 50% and for the end result the gains are minimal. CPU has next to no effect to the GPU performance for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. Overall system performance will bring the level up but that is different. You can go from 1080p to 4k and the CPU usage won't change from hovering around 50%. It will still do the most basic tasks regardless of resolution/GPU load. So personally if you have any top CPU from last 5 plus years you are good. Only point is if you are using REBAR. Again just like E Cores the gain with REBAR for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. +-5%. But for INTEL ARC architecture things start to change. Alchemist almost doubles it performance with REBAR/on enabling the CPU to pair with ARC GPU to configure a two silicon architecture. It worked with AMD CPU but on INTEL CPU we are seeing 20% lift and with every driver update the gap is widening exposing the real potential of the Alchemist optimizing the pairing to INTEL CPU. AMD 170W max vs 253W max from INTEL CPU. That alone gives you a good idea where the performance gain comes from. So lets take a step forward. X870 and Z890 boards will give direct lane PCI 5.0 to the CPU that you might want to call "REBAR on steroids". Now you can call this as true dual silicon performance/architecture for INTEL ARC. Hence the early launch for the X870 even that the CPU's are maybe coming 2025 if not at all. In real life this means no queuing or waiting. This means no stutter or broken frames. Comparing performance it means ARC 60FPS is better than 120FPS from AMD/Nvidia for gaming experience without stutter at high resolution/demand. In Wattage it means Arrow Lake 250-295W (extreme) + Battlemage 250-275W = 500-570W combined power. Wattage in general = performance. AMD CPU would give you 170W max and loose 125W of combined performance in the worse case for ARC. Add to that no queuing and no waiting where every frame is good. 5080 for example 400W standalone card where the 400W is all you get and the CPU performance is minimal. Then we have the price. 5080 $1200-1500 predicted + Ryzen 9 9950X $650 + X870/Ram $600 = $2450- 2750. Arrow Lake 285K $600 + Battlemage $500 predicted + Z890 board/Ram $600 = $1700. Plus I predict the ARC all INTEL combo will wipe the floor with AMD/Nvidia combo plus saving you cool +$1000.

[@DarkSoul45456]

nice content but people have no interest in faster cpu's, they wanna an 4090 or 5090 for the price of an 4060/4070 and not for 2250 euro +. They also not wanna see and understand a max watt limit 13700k/kf like i it did with maximum 210 watt counsumtion multicore in cinebench or co. can easily bring the same overall gaming performance as a 7800x3d have or any othe AMD called x3d gaming CPU. In my eyes is the 13700k/kf more than enough to fire up an 5090 to 100% in 3440 x 1440 or higher resolution.

[@ryue5626]

Everytime i see people having weird ass crashes or issues with games they always run amd cpus

[@mattirealm]

I have to agree with you man. I think though, that both Intel and AMD knew they would have to start really working on power efficiency because nodes are just not getting smaller as fast as they had been the last 15-20 years. We are on 3nm and some 4nm now and those nodes are good quality, but not way smaller than the 6nm and 7nm that had been normal since Zen launched 7 years ago. AMD and Intel are definitely prioritizing server customers at this time, but as you said, the 14th gen Intel chips and Zen 4 are quite GOOD at gaming right now. I hope Intel has solved: degradation issues, motherboard pressure mounting issues and are started in the right direction on power usage. Don't forget that they should have their HT replacement in the next 1-2 years; rentable units!

[@gstormcz]

Similar narrative to Ryzen 9000 release. Better efficiency is great, I hold your fingers to get hands on some of those get some nice OC results and fun.😉 I personally feel dissapointed. 🤷🏼‍♀️ (old guy used for cheap 2x single core upgrade in 2y cycle among budget 60-80USD cpus). Reason for dissapointment from. Arrow lake : Maybe hybrid architecture, no i3-10100f like offer. These look like follow up of those KS series, just more efficient OC stuff - at least for this moment. But my options are some : 5600x/12400f as absolutely cheapest sensible upgrade, 12600kf /7500f mid price or 5700x3d /7700 non X as "high end 8 core". 😂 Sorry I make wet ground for followers ROFL but that happens when you get cryosleep on i3-10100f for 4y believe its good performance on tuned W10🙈. .

[@Calloftheseal-s8m]

Lmao everyone talking about desktops these ultra cpus are for laptops guys jesus

[@csh9853]

i'll never upgrade again. no ai for me. i'm good right here on my 12th gen.

[@lionrock2023]

tell me something, do you goose step to the bathroom at home? or do you just goose step in public?

[@lost4356]

For me this arrow lake is just way to pleasing Investor because ithey can't entice investor if they have nothing to sell/but Intel 2025 goal is 18A die that why LGA 1851 only support one gen they probably released refresh but clearly the didn't want relies on TSMC,almost all major chip company relies on TSMC, so their real competitor is TSMC not AMD like many people thought so if they can deliver new fabrication in 2025.

[@johntipeti4597]

that's right! intel is a boss! always has been & will be again! fanboy here hahaha

[@betag24cn]

sad to see a fanboy claiming to be on top whem the cpu removed hyperthreads, uses now chiplets made by tsmc, open your eyes, intel is ready to be sold in pieces to qualcomm, nothing to celebrate here

[@davidandrew6855]

@@betag24cn Do you always say the same thing every time you reply to someone? Why?

[@betag24cn]

@@davidandrew6855 i dont know, youtube doesnt show me previous comments here, so no fkung idea if something i wrote annoyed you or what

[@davidandrew6855]

​@@betag24cn They are removing your spam, because it is annoying to the entire enthusiast group here.. that is why you can't see it, and now thankfully I can't either. It is a great day! 😉

[@betag24cn]

@@davidandrew6855 they? say you, and if you dont like what i say, it is your problem.

[@efx245precor3]

Yes

[@vipromeoyt]

I'm no more interested in intel bcz power usage 😮

[@runninginthe90s75]

Amd overrated x3d gonna be destroyed easily by Arrow Lake 10000MT.

[@overtaxed3628]

If for nothing else, then because of impudence, intel should be ditched and everyone should switch to amd. They fired 15 thousand workers while the CEO got a bonus, i.e. his salary went from 11 million to 17 million dollars!!! What kind of company is that, they should be ashamed.

[@nelz_2592]

As long as it runs gta who gives a f😂

[@dr.derekrobinson1920]

Aaaaand it sucks.

[@nossy232323]

Clickbait title. Only BS. How is worse for gaming "FASTER Than You Think"????

[@Ludak021]

More of the same...if not even worse.

[@Shockabukuu]

again new motherboard? no tnx...

[@gustavmh8423]

now the key word and marketing intel base everything is cooler less power les consuption aAHAHAHAHAH we never forget the room warmers of 14 gen hahahah

[@Masaim6]

Spoken like a true Intel fanboy, there's no way I'm buying Intel as my next cpu!

[@matgaw123]

Maybe if pricing is good you change your mind

[@matgaw123]

Both companies lied Intel as company fucked up But this generation can fix everything

[@Masaim6]

@@matgaw123 It isn't.

[@Masaim6]

@@matgaw123 My budget for a Cpu is $400 and the best Cpu for that price category will be the 800x3d of that generation.

[@matgaw123]

@@Masaim6 i watched a lot of reviews and they seem to be mix and maybe little positive heading and if cheaper than AMD for Same preformence possibly That's good

[@SuperAbo1]

intelclowns awaiting results 62-85% performance? and buy all trash cpu