Intel's dGPU Market share hits ZERO.... Will Battlemage FIX this?

Coming back from Taiwan I was surprised to see Intel had a very rough quarter with their dGPU sales effectively losing out big time to not just Nvidia but also AMD, who weren't anywhere near as down ratio wise as Intel was. So let's cross check this data from JP Research and then also talk about what we know for Battlemage and when it will likely come to market.
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00:00 The situation so far, the data, the build up to 0 percent and more
04:13 why is NVidia selling better and dominating?
05:30 Battlemage what we know (and don't, or rather shouldn't lol). Likely announcement and release date.
09:14 recap of the data and conclusion.
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[@Elinzar]

Intel ironically needs to fix its old API implementations, they need to nail down DirectX 9 and 11 (and as someone noted in the comments, OpenGL and Vulkan as well), because only focusing on Dx 12 obviously backfired since most people these day just play... old games, because 99% of the modern games are OVERPRICED GARBAGE

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Well fortunately all those things will be fixed with Battlemage, DX9 and 11 will run native and not use an emulator. Not sure why they didn't do this to start?

[@Safetytrousers]

The Witcher 3 is a very popular game, Res Evil Village is great, I like Warhammer, Spider Man is very good, I've put many hours into Hitman 2, Fortnite has quite a few players...

[@danielkowalski7527]

@@Safetytrousers try Prophesy of Pendor ;-)

[@RAM_845]

I agree upcoming "modern" games are nothing but agenda driven bullshit. I'm for diversity but NOT in the way they're FORCING IT on us. Their "diversity" is excluding groups they do not like!

[@stephanieamare]

Also, OpenGL. That gets overlooked a lot. It feels a lot of people just forget that API exists--but there are use cases, besides old games. We're talking software/programs, that run on OpenGL, too--CAD, and alike. It's also the reason why in Second Life, and that virtual world/game still has a large userbase--it's mostly single-threaded, so the balance between AMD and Intel for CPUs shifted with Ryzen, but the game runs on OpenGL and so most users go nVidia. AMD sucks for OpenGL, but Intel even more so. So Intel probably just needs to re-think a lot of things for their iGPUs and dGPUs--OpenGL, DX9 and DX11.

[@OverseerPC-Hardware]

Will be nice to have a strong Battlemage.. we really need stronger competition in the GPU market

[@trousersnake1486]

I have 12 arc a750's mining. I am the market share.

[@Safetytrousers]

How much do you make from that and what is your power bill?

[@dipanpathak]

Lol

[@techyescity]

Singe handedly holding up Intel's gaming division. My man. 🙏

[@trousersnake1486]

@@Safetytrousers I literally put it together a few days ago, im still tinkering the undervolts to keep the heat and power down but i'll come back and comment again once its all figured out.

[@IntelArcTesting]

I own 5 at the moment.

[@philscomputerlab]

Hope dies last, but I don't think Intel can do anything here. Just buy a 3DFX Voodoo and enjoy life 😊😊

[@techyescity]

Quake 2 and good times

[@ronaldparrott4324]

Wow ! That was a very good card of that time

[@stevenliu1377]

I think there is a decent chance that they really are making coolers for the Lunar Lake Battlemage test platform as we speak. Of course, the test run probably won't go well enough for Intel to announce a Battlemage dGPU at CES 2025. They need more time. Computex 2025 maybe.

[@TheBlindingwhite]

Yep, still have my Voodoo 2 I bought back in '98.

[@johngrammaticus5296]

arc cards have mostly disappeared from my usual retailers. I've only seen one model and that is the Acer Bifrost

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Agreed.

[@xlr555usa]

I see them everywhere and they are selling. I'm also on the Intel Reddit Arc and Discord platforms and the community is helpful and growing. People are so used to tech monopolies dominating, so they can't see a few trees in a vast forest. It takes time to grow market share and the hardcore Arc user base has already solidified and will grow exponentially. There are lots of curious people who want choices in their lives.

[@terminusaquo1980]

I have said this before and I'll say it again, I don't want Intel to leave the dGPU market as competition keeps the prices in check which is always beneficial for us consumers, so I hope Battlemage does really well for Intel. I think that removing the focus on DX12 and the SAM requirement would help with this.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Can't lie this is part the gamers fault as well, I put my money where my mouth was and bought an arc card just to get away from Nshidia and help the development of Arc. But the problem is most people cry we need more competition and Nvidia is evil yada yada then turn around and will buy the 50 series cards lmao. I proudly will be getting a Battlemage card this year to do my part to help the underdog mature.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

gamers will not going to affect nvidia domination. in reality gamers are buying less and less. that's why AMD Gaming revenue going down by 48%. usually in AMD's case even if GPU sales are down the semi custom (console) will cover that lack of sales from gaming GPU. now both GPU and console sales are going down it affect AMD revenue in significant way. nvidia? gamer also buy less nvidia but right now there is AI boom. nvidia card has always been the been more useful than gaming thanks to their aggressive push with CUDA for the last 20 years. they just reap the benefit from that right now. that's why their gaming revenue was at freaking 2.6 billion even in Q1 where sales was supposed to be slow down significantly after Q4.

[@brugj03]

Why on earth did you buy a shit card like that. You must hate gaming and love bugs.

[@kcwilsonii]

Same here, I have no issues with my ARC Cards. Have a 750 and 770, game at 4k on most of my games

[@JackHugeman]

I'm still on a 1050Ti, upgraded my entire system except the GPU last year but I very nearly gave in to buy a 3060 or 4060 but decided It wasn't worth the money at least until I see if Battlemage has anything good in the budget pricerange. I've the architectural changes they're making for Battlemage really help as much as people think they will then whatever the equivalent to a A580 is will be a solid upgrade for me.

[@brugj03]

Stupid move. Just buy the best for the money, don`t get caught on a brand name. Vote with your wallet and don`t reward those that don`t deserve. Name calling is not gonna help you anyway.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

But the Tech YES Market Share is about to break through the roof!

[@techyescity]

I'll get started on shorts and see if we can make that prediction come true :p

[@yourbluewaffle]

They should improve the Vulkan translation. A modder has made an unofficial dx9,10,11 to vulkan translator and it is amazing for older games like fallout new vegas and gta4. If one guy could do it with a plugin file, intel and their engineers could probably do it too.

[@GebaseerdeKikker]

You're referring to DXVK, and Shintel's driver is already leveraging that. They even gave presentations and blogged about it.

[@MadridistaFrieren]

It's actually insane that Nvidia have over 85% of the market share, what a display of domination

[@soupgaming5923]

I've been waiting for AMD to pull a Ryzen and really pull ahead on their GPUS since RX6000. ...any time now AMD

[@undertone2472]

Yeah unfortunate for prices though 😢

[@NGreedia]

Everyone is convinced the more you buy, the more you save

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@NGreedia***Spend. Not save.

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

​@@christophermullins7163 r/whoosh Have you been living under a rock?

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

Battlemage absolutely must have wider game support.

[@mach389]

Better drivers in general!!

[@mrman6035]

And lower power consumption

[@Bleachanna]

Have you used one before?

[@Accuaro]

If you were to say Nvidia had a near a monopoly in the desktop market , it would be an understatement lmao.

[@s-nooze]

There are some headlines in the media lately about antitrust investigations beginning but it has more to do with AI I think

[@mintymus]

So what would you classify it as then?

[@tical2399]

I always laugh when people have no idea what the word monopoly means but use it any chance they get. Monopoly relates placing restraints in others entering the market or reasonably competing in it. If Nvidia bought TSCM or Samsung and refused to sell foundry time to competitors (which would prevent those companies from manufacturing gpus) that would make them a monopoly. Simply having the most desirable products available and the free market deciding to buy that product in large amounts is not what a monopoly is. Nvidia being super popular in the gpu space does not prevent qualcom from entering the gpu market, or Micron, or Texas Instruments etc.

[@s-nooze]

@@tical2399 that's a very idealistic assessment. It's a good thing that people who actually know what monopolies are are investigating Nvidia right now.

[@vvhitevvizard_]

@@tical2399 that's exactly what Nvidia keeps doing! Do you realize how proprietary standards like CUDA affect competion?

[@hayseedfarmboy]

resizable bar is killing intels GPUs, i mean the hardware inside them looks great, power consumption is a little high, but their GPU performance is best for a budget build, and resizable bar being needed kinda throws a wrench in that, the price vs performance, and features on A580 would be great for a low cost A320, B450 build, but resizable bar just messes that up .

[@KhizarKhan2001]

Yeah this is true, i can pair rx 6600 xt with a oem prebuilt i7 8700 and get decent performance for a very low cost

[@hayseedfarmboy]

@@KhizarKhan2001 should a perfect fit for that, but its not

[@user-bm9sq5nd6c]

I think that Intel ARC has some really interesting Low Profile cards.....but Most Users don't need Low Profile....

[@user-bm9sq5nd6c]

Hey Brian, how about a SFF Office PC turning Intro a Gaming PC with an ARC Low Profile Card while keeping the SFF Case?🎉

[@soldiersvejk2053]

For old platforms without ResizableBAR, the bottle neck is usually not your Intel GPU. A750 runs pretty smoothly on my X370 1st gen Ryzen pc from 2018. Thank you Dell for never updating the bios and lock me in the 1st gen.

[@carlwells9504]

I just got a a750 recently and it’s been great so far. Even with older titles I thought it may have struggled with driver wise. Probably not the best decision resale wise as I will likely sell off my AM4 system for a full upgrade in maybe a year.

[@lanelesic]

Intel entered the discrete GPU market a year too late to exploit the mining craze and corona lockdowns. The Arc gpus would be much more competitive against RDNA1/2 and RTX 20xx series and extremely pricey 30xx. Players would also be more open to mess around and to deal with stuff that requires some tech literacy and sacrificing some stuff like old games performance, or making compromises like keeping an older computer for directx10 and dx9 and older games. But as it is everyone was just shrugging their shoulders and asking why bother? And battlemage improvement over arc must be like something crazy like 300% or 400% to compete with RDNA4 and 50xx series next year.

[@marktackman2886]

RDNA 4 is DOA, original ARC rumors years ago said management was going to let Battlemage release and then cancel discrete consumer cards. I want both to succeed but because of Nvidia they no longer see the profit incentive to allow limited silicon supply to be sold at consumer prices.

[@techzone913]

Should we help Intel at this momment to make relevant on gpu?

[@spoots1234]

The A750 just costs a lot to make. You see it in the card. My Acer Predator is a solid well-built GPU, which is why it was on sale for $170 (what I paid) but went up to about $240 when drivers improved. Intel's probably taking a bath at $170. Ideally, if Battlemage is so much more efficient based on rumors, then a $170 GPU with a cut down pcb, cooler etc with A770 performance might be achievable, hopefully with maybe 10gb VRAM. I highly doubt they can achieve that with TSMCs increased prices though. If by the later generation they can transition to their own fab, then Intel will have a real competitive advantage in the budget space. Most gamers don't need more performance than a 4060 offers, and that's fully achievable under $200, but probably not now - either later when TSMC's 5nm gets cheaper or on one of Intel's own older nodes.

[@KhizarKhan2001]

They need to release battlemage before rdna 4 otherwise most people will just buy amd because of better drivers and lower power consumption

[@spoots1234]

@@KhizarKhan2001 I honestly think Intel is more appealing based on how bad FSR looks, and how much XeSS has improved. Xe2 is supposed to be twice as efficient as Xe, so efficiency-wise, there probably won't be much in it. Intel drivers aren't that bad anymore either.

[@hoangminhdo1259]

it crazy that from 170 usd when up to 240 because " updated driver " scrapper gonna have a reason to make intel gpu worth 1000usd soon

[@KhizarKhan2001]

@@spoots1234 im actually using an intel arc gpu right now and there are still many random bugs that i encounter from time to time, i bought intel because of the lower price in my country but im regretting it now because often i have to tinker with things like dxvk, vkd3d and other game specific tweaks. For example a few months ago i wanted to replay assassin's creed 2 and it ran so bad but when i switch to amd integrated gpu, it ran perfectly.

[@spoots1234]

@@KhizarKhan2001 I mean that's expected for some older games. Intel is trying to make up for decades of work in a short time. For the performance though, its almost a 3060 but for less money, which I thought was a good deal

[@Bleachanna]

The initial reputation has really done a number on arc. Ive only had one game that wouldn't work/was unplayable in the 6 months I've had this card.

[@joemanfred5738]

If Battlemage is still going to require ReBAR on an architectural level to not take a substantial hit to performance consistency, Intel needs to figure out some hacky way to force enable it on systems that may not have that setting exposed. Users can modify any UEFI to with xCuri0's driver to get it working, but that's too high of a barrier for any appreciable number of users. Maybe Intel can force a ReBAR driver to load via an option ROM on the card or have the drivers install it to the EFI partition on the main drive. Given enough time as ReBAR becomes standard it won't be a detriment to the architecture anymore, but until then it's a big detractor from Intel as a choice for casual consumers who don't want to think beyond 'buy card, install card, install drivers'

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Intel needs to get their drivers/software up to standard more than try to compete on raw performance. There are a lot of low end hardware gamers out there who would no doubt be keen on a bargain whoever it is made by but nobody wants a potential headache that with compatibility and performance problems and inconsistencies. If they can undercut on price while having stable and reliable products in the lower tier I think they could do well. Then worry about putting R&D money into performance cards once they have stability and compatibility sorted

[@mach389]

💯 well said.. I totally agree.

[@Bleachanna]

Their drivers are 1000x better than when they started. I'd recommend trying one and seeing what it really does.

[@RobloxianX]

Battlemage really has to do that 50% faster than 4070 at 50% less in order to win. Imagine a $400 GPU the speed of a 4080.

[@user-bm9sq5nd6c]

The CAMM2 modules take a lot of space on the Mainboard. Should'nt they better be mounted on the Backside of the motherboard with a thermal Pad making contact to the PC-case?

[@krissythecatboi]

Make that 0% instead be 0.0000000001%, I bought an Intel Arc and am doing my part! Cautiously optimistic about the next generations, it's probably a bit like with video game sales or anything else - most of the sales are made very shortly after the initial release. For sustained sales you need a really good product (like the 1080 Ti) or something that is established and recognizable in huge numbers (AMD, Nvidia brands). If they keep building good GPUs at affordable prices, then eventually more people will come - given that Intel Arc performance per dollar is pretty good! In stores here, in Eastern Europe, there's a plethora of Arc cards: A380 LP (130 EUR), A380 (150 EUR), A580 (230 EUR), A750 (250 EUR), A770 (360 EUR).

[@100500daniel]

BattleMage's success really depends on it's release schedule. Assuming RDNA4 performance is similar or better for roughly the same price, most people will gravitate towards AMD. No use to compare it to Nvidia because Intel isn't going to steal marketshare from Nvidia.

[@mikkodoria4778]

yeah only for amd to lose another 14% market share on gpu 🤣

[@100500daniel]

​@@mikkodoria4778 Intel can only take marketshare from AMD, people that only buy nvidia won't touch an intel gpu (and rightly so, the current state of the drivers makes them unreliable compared to nvidia gpus)

[@techwandoUS]

Appreciate the update YES man.

[@davewave2760]

I am planning a build with an Intel CPU and GPU, but waiting for the next generation to be released before deciding which ccmponents to use.

[@rons4182]

ARC capture works well. Captures whatever is bring displayed. On the Arc Control Highlights screen, turn on "Keep raw footage" instead of "only Highlights" . ALT + H to start capture then ALT + H to stop capture.

[@IntelArcTesting]

In my country only the A580 and A750 are worth considering new but the A750 goes for €150-170 used with 2 years warranty very often. A770 are priced way too high.

[@Obie327]

I'm excited for intel's Battlemage (ARC A770 owner) If intel can as they say get the Direct API's out of a virtual environment and address the scheduler pipeline? Being its Intel's first attempt at Discreet GPU's... I'm very excited to see their new GPU's. "Help me Obie One Kenobi, You are our only Hope!" Thanks Brian for your thoughts. Cheers!

[@jqwright28]

I think people pay too much attention to maketshare. Nvidia's dominance is bad for competition no doubt but even if Intel gpus didn't have legacy api issues or even if AMD didn't overprice their gpus at launch, there's no guarantee that doing the smart thing would really gain those guys any substantial marketshare. I think what we have to look at is what revenue does Battlemage generate for Intel. If they can make a profit and is opinion of Battlemage good enough to sell the stock they make, it's a step in the right direction.

[@adamsleath]

informative. thanks.

[@natsukirei2016]

I've heard some people going on about battlemage but intel just don't have the software experience and support The problem was never hardware, the intel arc cards were actually very powerful in raw hardware, the A770 was and is a beast on that end The software was the issue, it took a year to fix artifacts in destiny 2, dx10 and 9 was non existent and drivers were just poorly released and behind in new games I just don't see intel fixing it's software support

[@pegadpal]

Live stream with Computex recap and state of CPU and GPU would be great ...

[@churblefurbles]

Yea the small price difference isn't enough to make up for the inferior and incomplete feature set of Radeon.

[@nick-dogg]

I would buy a battlemage GPU for the right price. They are taking way too long to release it though. Hopefully battlemage is just as efficient as nvidia. I’m not chasing FPS, I rather have a GPU that’s power efficient and that could handle the one and only game I play, warzone. I don’t play 50 different titles so I don’t get all caught up in benchmarks for game’s I don’t even play. Especially when the benchmarks shows over 200+ fps.

[@gettoecoding1058]

I bought one (A750) purely for the one application i was developing. Paired it with a ryzen 1600, so no rebar. And performance wise its been alright. Nothing compared to my ryzen 5700x and rtx 3060ti. It will get better im sure. Hoping battlemage brings way more performance and that they dont rely as much on rebar

[@MiniTitan802]

To be fair, at face value, this statistic does seem concerning, but the reality of the matter is that the only products worthwhile for early adopters were the ARC A770 and A750. The former was deliberately set to limited stock, assuming it to be a taste test, with BattleMage being the main course, as suggested in an interview where an Intel employee mentioned that 70% of their engineering team had already moved onto said project.

[@deathVIAavatar]

I've been holding out a while on buying any recent GPU because I want to see how Intel does - If they do well enough, it could cause even more shake ups in pricing for what's out there and put a legitimate third choice on the board. However, the lack of any hype up from Intel has me a little worried with them seemingly committed to a release this Holiday season - are they hiding an Ace or are they hiding a turd?

[@snapcount321]

One segment where Intel can really make a splash is a the no power connector, 75 W, office PC-to-gaming conversion market. A cheap little chip with modern encode/decode, 1080p 60 low/medium performance in 2024 titles, XeSS and FSR support, DP 2.1 and HDMI 2.1 out and a small NPU would really hit the spot for a lot of people. It would be great to throw something like that into an old i5 10400 or 11400 or AM4 build.

[@AdhyatmVidhi]

Gittel naath : what is the meaning of word "play"? Investy maata : *** Gittel naath : who told ? Investy maata : sunny lone

[@justinpatterson5291]

If I still only had a 2060. I might consider an upgrade. But, I have a 7900XT now.

[@StrixWar]

A A770 LE is in my second system but I don’t use that system much anymore. Just because i stopped using my TV

[@mach389]

There are many reasons why they are not selling. I’ve owned a a750 for almost a year and it’s ok. I personally wouldn’t recommend this gen to anyone. Hopefully next gen will be better. I will be skipping it. If I decide to upgrade I will be going with one of the other guys. Good luck to intel tho.. great video by the way.. 👍👍

[@malccy72]

I think many like myself choose Nvidia because of drivers, stability and that majority of games are made with Nvidia cards/features in mind.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The majority of games are made with AMD in mind, seeing as how AMD have a duopoly over BOTH major consoles for both CPU and GPU.

[@kada0420]

I only use it cause I'm too familiar with shadowplay in terms of clipping and showing it to my friends.

[@letitiabeausoleil4025]

Here in AU the only board makers using the nice Intel GPU are Intel themselves, Asrock, Acer and Sparkle. Acer have a reputation issue and they went with an unpopular blower style. Sparke are known for their noisy fans. The demand however has been for some of the other makers like Gunnir, Biostar and Matrox (for CCTV systems) and their cards which are hard to find even in the rest of Oceania/Asia. That said, my little nieces have loved their Acer and Asrock Arc cards.

[@TheNinjaMarmot]

Matrox Luma is going to have the ARC inside it.

[@itsdeonlol]

I would be cautious about the CAMM 2 stuff right now...

[@danielkowalski7527]

I want to see MORE mobile graphics (power efficiency !) for pcs ! My powerdraw limit of graphics is about 100w max - because its pretty easy to cool passivly - everything above is trash

[@snakeplissken1754]

The intel cards aren´t even bad. It´s just that their top entry was roughly mid range at the time of release and afterwards did games bump up (or allow for higher) requirements. So naturally the cards became less relevant. That in addition to them being the new kid on the block so a lot of people won´t even consider them until they have proven themselves. Which also hurts them a bit as being the good price option. And yes they need to keep working on old api improvements. Right now we have nvidia with their fancy dlss frame gen cards that most people want/go for as a safe option. Then you have amd as the value option (sadly a lot of people don´t consider amd gpu´s even so it would be the best offer in their price range, but what you gonna do about it). And then you have intel... that can´t compete with nvidia in performance and is a less proven value option. So yeah the card for tech enthusiasts, or people that get a good deal on one. Looking forward to battlemage as it might shake things up a bit, but it may also just become a disappointment just competing with amd for value options while nvidia sits on the throne just cranking up the prices more and more cause they can.

[@TheGameBench]

I feel like requiring Re-BAR is hurting their growth. Their cards could have been a good budget option for people with older PC's, but since those people can't enable above 4G decoding without flashing a BIOS that they will likely have to modify themselves... that really makes it irrelevant for 99.9999% of them and it's just not worth the risk to run one. AMD just doesn't seems to care about their gaming GPU division. Seems like they use it to fund R&D for the APU's, and on the next round of consoles, they'll be bringing in that money again. However, I don't know how many more console generations are going to need to be powerful... so that could dry up in the not too distant future. I also think that NVIDIA's valuation and being in the news has something to do with why they're gaining even more market share. They're simply a monolith at this point. I'm going to buy an Arc card... but not to game. I like Intel's media engine and it's ability to decode XAVC... but Intel's latest CPU's that have that media engine just aren't appealing right now and Arrow Lake has yet to even be remotely interesting. However, I can get that media engine in the A310 and run one just for the decode with an AMD CPU and have the best of both worlds... unless Arrow Lake comes out and defies all expectations. However, I agree... I wouldn't buy one to game yet. Get one for a streaming PC, for the XAVC decode or a Plex transcoding card, and all you need for that is the A310. Hopefully Battlemage is a vast improvement on that front.

[@Waifu_Warrior]

I have no idea how much of this is spin. An RX 6600 is $200 A 4090 is $2000 If a thousand people buy a 4090 and a thousand people buy a 6600, do they see that as 50% and 50% market share by unit or do they see that as 10% and 90% market share by transaction?

[@Devilmasscot]

I just realized that there seems to be a lot of Intel GPU stock on the market, especially for the Arc A580, it's still quite warm at the end of 2023 and I thought hard we buy intel gpu = we help intel update their drivers or maybe speed up the battlemage version release time Am i right?

[@rulik006]

6:06 YES, battlemage will be released. what a great news

[@RAM_845]

We still do need competition regardless the outcome. I don't plan on upgrading my rig till there's a need or one or more of my components die.

[@NZRanger]

Okay so just got to the comment saying you couldn't recommend Intel ARC... Tell me, what have Intel NOT fixed after a year that you're claiming? They have VERY ACTIVE developers who respond to customers issues on their forums as well as an active Discord channel!! There isn't one game that I have that I've had issues with apart from Star Citizen which everyone has no matter what their card! Fortnite maxed out, Elite Dangerous maxed out, Microsoft Flight Simulator max out, Cyberpunk maxed out... and the card retails for just over half the price of a 4060!

[@danburke6568]

Battlemage is about 6800xt, 3080 ball park. Would have better memory tho. Never know how the drivers are, likely better than last generation start. Maybe playable on gaming.

[@mrp0p1nfr3shz]

Ive noticed most people buying intel cards arent using them for gaming but for AI acceleration on a super tight budget or for video encoding. I have a few friends who bought intel arc a750s and 580s just to run their plex servers and other media encoding so its kinda a shift in use case.

[@TalonsTech]

I think the bigger story here is that AMD is down to just 12%.

[@demolitionkid2]

I really hope they come out swinging and catch nvidoa by surprise but I doubt it.

[@ruckikevin]

Cant wait for a Battlmage announcment 😊... hope they come out in time and not so late like Arc last time

[@thomaswood8167]

That's a shame. From what I have watched on KZbin, Intel Arc cards have come such a long way in terms of driver updates and performance, where they were matching the RX 6600 in a lot of titles. But Nvidia has mastered the ray tracing offering of their cards, and more importantly, still rules the streaming market, and that seems to be the most important part of a GPU purchase.

[@user-bm9sq5nd6c]

Let's hope for intel ARC Celestial (3rd generation will be good...hopefully).

[@Khinh-xq6lx]

the grass is greener on the other side

[@nicon53204]

i had the arc bifrost some games ran great but a lot of them ran horrible returned it and picked up a asus radeon 7600 xt 16gb 128 bit card no problems at all

[@buffalobob8498]

I have a 7900xt with a good old 5800x and I am happy with the performance 👍

[@TheHangarHobbit]

According to MLID Intel ARC is dead, he said no AIB partners have been contacted about building Battlemage cards, the ones that built Alchemist cards saw dismal sales so are done making any new ones and he predicts Intel will "release" Battlemage only as an IGP in a few laptop chips then quietly pull the plug. Its dead Jim.

[@stephenjones8645]

I heard him say that too, but I'm not buying it. Intel has spent too much in R&D and has made too much progress on the driver stack, to pull the plug right before release of the next gen. I'm sure intel expected 3 generations to catch up to the establishment before entering the gpu market and hasn't been overly concerned by the teething problems of its early generation cards. If board partners aren't working on Battlemage, it makes me wonder if Intel plans to start with an in-house limited edition card like they did for Alchemist before bringing on board partners. I don't see Intel abandoning ship at least until after Celestial, but hopefully things will be going well for Arc by then.

[@zeroyum1473]

Here in Oregon, we have green grass and green trees which are the most important green thing if you like to breath!!!

[@ram64man]

The problem is everyone is hoping for a mid to high end with battlemage if intel doesn’t deliver then no one will jump to it, as for amd all I can. Get locally is gre xtx has become gold dust and to be honest unless you enabled all the software after all these years amd software is buggy . I still want an xtx replacement to match 4090 spec without software tweaks

[@stephenxs8354]

Intel should focus on a niche much like how AMD isnt trying to go high-end this round. They could focus on high-end and battle with price/performance or they could go for value/niche like how AV1 encoding makes low-end ARC a better value than AMD and NVIDIA. I got an ARC just for that although I still want to get a 4060/ti @ BF because of power efficient gaming and AI work.

[@HanSolo__]

I can't buy an Intel ARC A770 16GB. There are only ASRock, Acer and Sparkle.

[@iamperplexed4695]

That's because Intel stopped producing them last year.

[@Willbme4EVA]

I would be amazed if Intel could actually toss out drivers in Battlemage that could make the Intel cards out now age like fine wine.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

They will. ARC is the brand of discreet GPUs, which already has high chances of going away, but the underlying architectures Intel have developed (Alchemist and now Battlemage) are also going in their CPUs' integrated graphics. The driver development program will rage on strongly. If you bought an ARC A-series card you were officially a beta tester for Intel.

[@Willbme4EVA]

@@douglasmurphy3266 if so could make Intel a great GPU for a Potato build, that would be epic.

[@poljackph]

I bought rtx 4060 for $320 because my psu cant handle the rx6700 which is sold for $280. Enjoying gaming at the moment. ❤

[@Ultimatebubs]

What we really need is a new hit game to drive up GPU sales. I don't think that anybody is really getting excited over the annual re-release of Call Of Dootie.

[@kcwilsonii]

This is a seasonal shift due to AMD's releases, market share changes as new models get released

[@bdp-racing]

Well, they raised their prices and dropped the 16gb a770 🤷‍♂️

[@losguy3183]

I am not happy with AMD 7800xt.. After having the 7800xt I pick up in Sep 2023 and from crashes and driver problem with my games and I have never had this problem Nvidia.. with the same game's I play with my 3060 was just fine.... I love AMD cpu .. I will never buy their GPU again... I hate how much Nvidia cost and low vram...

[@dianaalyssa8726]

I get that, have used 7800XT (& 7900XTX) and 3060 12gb both Windows and Linux, lots of 10/11 crashes but 3060 doesn't crash in the same games sometimes, can think of at least 4 games in the past year/so. 7800XT has been stable for me in Nobara Linux (same for 4090). I did have Windows 10 problems with my old 1060 but that went away over time &/ repaste. 7800XT does look better than 3060 but if you have to play an older/esports games etc with the 3060 because driver issues, it does defeat the point of the upgrade. I felt 4070 should have had more vram for that price point also etc. A lot of the lineup could use more vram. I found the 3060 very stable also, same for the 4090.

[@mikarieger5878]

Hey tech yes, Check out Scorptec and their latest preorder for the 7900GRE XFX model quicksilver. Its release price is $819, below the MSRP of $550USD. Is it too good to be true and has bad performance? would love a video on it 🙌

[@ScavengerFX]

To be honest, if there's price and performance over the competitors, I'm buying it.

[@EyesOfByes]

I'm gonna buy a used xeon and cheap arc for an av1 media machine

[@pazitor]

I couldn't opt for Intel because I'm still on PCIe 3.0 and rebar doesn't work well on my board, either. DX9 gaming is also a must.

[@t0mn8r35]

Speaking for myself, I had to buy a 4090 for best performance and driver support. If i wasn't a gamer I would buy an intel card for productivity and price.

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Same. I did try the 7900XTX first, 7800XT still in a secondary machine. 4090 has been great in terms of stability & settings.

[@brianpcpc5292]

hi brian , i think single users let a gpu last a few years before replacing it . even though the hype for sales and the latest and greatest gpu's are quite overwhelming ... people i tend to find liking what they have in a tough personal circumstance . given the extortionate pricing in recent years and remarkable profit margins . the gamers like a good gpu . but in most cases cannot find the money to buy the one they really want . a lot wait for the pricing to drop a bit or quite a bit and very few as a percentage buy it on the release day . the numbers sold are often hyped and its all to sell a product . on repeat ! as for intel the cards are okay . nothing remarkable . quite able and capable when one sorts a bios setting . as we know this only affects some games and some motherboards . mines works fine . i have intel nvidia and amd gpu's . i often find people buying the previous generation cards if they really need one . only the i dont care what it costs gen will take it as read that you just buy it . best regards keep up the good vids .

[@matthewhanson498]

If the price is right, I plan to buy battlemage when it releases

[@tylernelson5115]

I use a intel arc on my travel pc it works just fine, with the software it needs a overhaul and make it good

[@dazdaz2050]

Its DLSS this is coming from a guy who has had mostly nvidia gpus and is now on a 7900xtx without dlss you just dont have that free performance boost wothout graphical degredation. Also the costant weird things with the drovers are a pain in the ass, one moment something is fine the bext its not. What you have to remeber most peopek are bto tech savvy so they can ot tweak settings and know what to do in soecific circumstances. In these aspects nvidia clean up.

[@r3tr0c0e3]

after having a good 2 year run with 6800 with minor neat picks coming from 3070 i decided to go 7900xtx and at the beginning transition was fairly smooth, but then time out errors, boot up errors after 2 rma's had to go 4080s, which is rock solid, even amd themselves admitted that their chiplet designed is flawed and they will go monolith next gen, never even considered alpha test aka intel lolz

[@haylspa]

have not watched yet but their problem besides the bad drivers in the beginning (not now they are good now) but it seems like they lost their drive!!! and they let the momentum that they had with consumer support, down they just dried up of information missed deadlines and are to silant even now about it many are wondering if we will even see those new cards at all! seems like a terrible waste of time energy and money to just let it fade away, but thats the way it looks wish I could encourage them to keep moving forward with manufacturing GPU's but I don't know any of them personally at all!

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Not sure about Arrow Lake, if we're going backwards removing HT. I'm a bit more interested in AM5 9000 series. Don't own any Intel GPUs, I had considered the A770 Bifrost. I can say I feel AMD has had price performance especially before the Supers released. I saw the marketing ad AMD 2 free games with 7700XT & 7800XT, so I think it's still hurting in sales. This gen 4090 has been the GPU I've not taken out, 7900XTX and 7800XT mostly good some driver issues here and there on Windows in certain games, but both brands I have gaming stable in Nobara Linux. I'm somewhat curious how the Intel Arcs are running if they are running better under Linux than Windows etc, but not curious enough to go buy one or look a lot into it. I agree with the comments below a good GPU should be able to play all games well from older DX9, DX11 titles onwards. AMD has a Fallout 3 issue. If Battlemage can run what's popular on Steam without crashing/issues they might have a chance, I figure B-D in the GPU stack maybe there will be a standout one eventually. Intel needs to be able to handle gaming and content creator workloads without giving people a headache to succeed. Rebar requirement is also a reason on budget end AMD makes a bit more sense, need Intel 8th/9th minimum to take advantage of Rebar on the Intel side. DX11 and DX12 certainly need to work well at minimum, if there's an issue running DX12 in a game DX11 is usually the fallback also.

[@d4mb20]

I'd like to buy an intel gpu just to try it, but prices here in italy are absurd, 300 euro for a 750 and 400+ for a 770...

[@mach389]

Don’t do it!! You are better off putting your money somewhere else or waiting for next gen.. i currently use a a750 and wouldn’t recommend it..

[@radradR0bot]

I think a lot of gamers dream of being a streamer, so they get the nvidia

[@TriPBOOMER]

Funny how many YT Tech channels sound shocked Intel's GPU market share has gone down after a year of them ALL dumping on ARC & telling everyone to stay away from them lol I have used an ARC A380 6gb for a capture/OBS stream/edit rig for a year now, and I have to say for rendering and encoding ect. these ARC GPU's are beasts, I was also shocked to see my A380 run Doom Eternal with RT @ 1080p 80fps+ (I was curious! lol) I know 80fps isn't huge but its an A380 with RT lol. People should be getting ARC for a stream/editing rig. Or even adding an A380 to their Rig for a dedicated OBS GPU, 8 core CPU or more and you should be fine.

[@shraf2kay]

They're just sold out of their inventory for the most part. All that's left is the less desirable SKUs. When they release their battlemage cards they'll start to scrape back. IMO.

[@radradR0bot]

I think that anyone interested in arc bought one already. Intel needs to flush the rest of the archangel out through oems

[@lunaraura2828]

nvidia so focused o ai and ignoring gamers amd was the value gamer's savior before anchoring their prices to nvidias intel is, well, all the problems the YES man mentioned all dGPU manufacturers are eating glue right now

[@s-nooze]

They need to find a niche that isn't competing with Nvidia because it's not going to work.

[@juanfulantino1071]

For a pc build under $500 with all new parts an A770 and AMD combo

[@NZRanger]

I just purchased an ARC A750 and love it! If Intel stopped doing GPU's it would be the fault of places like KZbin channels and other media outlets that said "Battlemage cancelled" and other absolute B.S. articles. I almost didn't get an ARC because of that fact.... and I know I'm not the only one who would have been put off by these false articles.

[@bassamatic]

not having any problems with my ARC A750. Good card. literally half the price of a GTX 3060 at the time I bought it. I even game on it. It appears it has become "cool" to bash Intel in the youtube community... still waiting for the slightest hiccup on ANY intel product I have ever bought in the last 30 years...

[@durockps]

Amd fanboy here for price / performance