Intelligence Squared, New York 2010 with Ayaan Hirsi Ali Debate 'Islam is a religion of peace'

[@bongoon2552]

Good stuff Douglas, this is one of yours and Ayaan's finest hours. Excellent idea to post it right now.

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

Here's your religion: Ravina said: Therefore, with regard to a female gentile child who is three years and one day old, since she is fit to engage in intercourse at that age, she also imparts impurity as one who experienced ziva.

[@StheSharknl]

@@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147 Get a life kiddo, spamming comment section like this is childish and uncivilized. If you don’t like Douglas don’t listen to him, go watch some football, mma or play some video games instead 😉

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

By the way, I think you're an amazing people, it's just no people likes another to have power over them, or for another to hold undue influence over them. And then there's constant double standards all the time.

[@StheSharknl]

@@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147 Allah isn’t real, if he is may he strike me down now!!! Wait nothing happend? 😂 Attacking a more powerful more advanced nation and raping their women has consequences, deal with it. I’m fed up dealing with people who think there is an invisible man in the sky justifying all kind of barbaric acts.

[@candycolriv]

Do people really think the Js have power over them? Like, seriously? I don’t encounter Js at all in my daily life. They don’t affect my paycheck. I do what I want. I sleep fine. I don’t understand the whole idea…

[@heatfield4243]

Excellent time to re-post this fantastic debate.

[@tommyvictorbuch6960]

"Islam without violence is like an omelet without eggs." - Pat Condell -

[@kyttraus]

And sadly no bacon 😂

[@andrewk1965]

@@kyttraus🤣🐷

[@jane---489]

*_Pat, always right on point ..._*

[@tommyvictorbuch6960]

😆

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

And Judaism without harming genitals.

[@ladyjade6446]

Where are these peaceful Muslims speaking out against hamas? I have Muslim friends and they keep making excuses for hamas. It has damaged our friendship as I can not condone hamas at all!

[@yoelpardede9480]

They will not accept common sense no more.. because they are under brainwash of their book.. about Muslims as smart people, and non Muslim as idiot.. You should imagine when they said that 5x a day as their prayer since kid.. I, myself being kicked from my WhatsApp group because telling the truth about hamas as terror group, where many Muslim defend hamas with common fallacy... Like the war victim not balanced, the occupant deserved the terror, etc..

[@ahmadsalameh7959]

I mean it's kind of weird to ask people to condemn Hamas when the IDF has killed more than 20,000 civilians in Gaza and continues its air strikes displacing more than half the population. More people should speak out against the IDF and Israel's actions for the past 75 years.

[@cocophonix]

​@@ahmadsalameh7959who started it? You say Israel doesn't have right to self defense? So IDF has to stop when they kill only certain number matching hamas? I don't think that's how it works in war. Israel is at war, our sympathies are with Israel

[@duames]

@ahmedsalameh7959 , Who is the aggressor ?? It isn't the Jews ! Hamas bring death and destruction on the Palestinian people , through their own actions ! Hamas bare sole responsibility for the pain and suffering of the Palestinians

[@yoelpardede9480]

@@ahmadsalameh7959 It doesn't matter the civilian victim who have been warned to move but not moved.. compared to the terror act by hamas, without warning and break cease fire.. You use too many fallacy... Like most Muslim... Dumb.. The civilian who died, must be supporting terror by not moving.. just like you are supporting terror.. Again, you should read about Gharqad in Islam, to justify genocide toward the Jews.. just like dumb story to kill gecko in Islam...

[@saltburner2]

Douglas speaks so fluently and eloquently without a single note.

[@carltabi3539]

He will go down as the greatest debater.

[@Aijan100]

I am so sick and tired of Muslim apologists saying we can only understand Koran in Arabic. Even with some misinterpretations the messages are very clear. And what is this fixation on Arabic if Koran was meant to be a universal message for all humanity?!

[@mamamaumamam]

Then come Christian Prince who translates word by word and what the quran really is about. However, they now said we need to understand the context. It is an endless excuse and make up stuff. That what islam actually is.

[@chupapi-o5u]

Yesterday I got into a debate with on about them being allowed to hit their wives if they're disobedient. He talked like 10 minutes about translation issues and interpretation only to conclude that "yes they can. But atleast its not harrddd"

[@galgalz88]

- Is Islam is a religion of peace? - Nope, next question please.

[@Antonette59]

I watched this debate many years ago & had been thinking about it lately. Thank you for putting it up.

[@andrewk1965]

This is just a nice woman. She is completely unrepresentative of the Islam that is coming our way.

[@bongoon2552]

Yet she happily claims that it is a religion of peace. Doing this helps hide the stark reality of Islam, and the text behind it. Yeah, Ayaan is right to be leery of "moderates".

[@saltburner2]

But her variety of Islam is not Sharia-compliant. It is a paper tiger.

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

@@bongoon2552 Here's your religion: Ravina said: Therefore, with regard to a female gentile child who is three years and one day old, since she is fit to engage in intercourse at that age, she also imparts impurity as one who experienced ziva.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

She's someone that wouldn't survive actual Islam 😂 Just a puppet 🤡

[@rosehippyguy3402]

She mentions nothing about the true essence of Islam and that women, generally, are deemed as 2nd rate beings, not allowed to back chat with their husbands, husbands that traditionally, they have no choice in choosing. That their profit was married to a 12 year old girl (pedophilia in the civilised world) these are common facts about this faith. Female genital mutilation is also a common act, which, just like circumcision, are acts of physical child abuse in my opinion. I'm happy to debate this with anyone.

[@hannacook859]

Yes... Everyone who hears "Allah Akbar" feels that the peaceful person running towards them with a knife must be rushing to make them a sandwich

[@stoggsherfnik4569]

I thought that was the Allah Snack Bar. 0 out of five stars, -Yelp.

[@sandoncrowder7839]

You notice nobody debates whether Christianity is peaceful, or Judaism. If you need to ask the question in the first place, the answer is no.

[@ahmadsalameh7959]

Maybe the reason is the growing cancer in the west which is called Islamophobia.

[@mountainair]

Fair point. Nobody worried about Buddhists yelling Om Shanti Akbar while chopping limbs off children. What people believe by way of religion or culture has major impacts on how they act on the basis of these beliefs. Which is why it's so important that we can openly criticize any religion or idea without fear of fatwas or being called a bigot.

[@tigersforever4577]

Apparently, you don't know the history and theology of Judaism The difference is that Judaism doesn't proselytize, but Islam and Christianity do.

[@nancykisich3263]

EXACTLY

[@sandoncrowder7839]

@@tigersforever4577 what does that have to do with peacefulness? You can invite people to convert peacefully, but Islam says to slay and/or subdue anyone who will not convert. Christianity is a peaceful religion which has had violence done in its name, Islam is inherently violent but many people want to twist it to make it sound peaceful.

[@cocophonix]

Loved every minute of Douglas Murray and Ayan Ali Hersey. The two muslims are being muslims, covering for co religionists, lying thru the teeth of their religion

[@tigersforever4577]

If only Islam in the 21st century did promote peace and mutual respect.

[@I.Kat.]

Then it wouldn't be Islam anymore. The majority (64%) of the Koran refers to Kafir (non muslims), and nearly all of the Sira (81%) is about Mohammed’s struggle with the Kafir. 37% of the Hadith of Bukhari concerns them. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 51% of its content to the Kafir.

[@WilliamCooper-l6f]

Peace to the islamists does not mean a spirit of brotherly love and goodwill towards non Muslims. Peace, according to their religious teachings and practices, are futuristic, when they have the entire world conquered and subdued for Islam, then there will be peace. Basically, peace is the absence of war, not the everyday spirit (zeitgeist) of the people.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

"Obey us" 🤮

[@Life-Row-Toll]

Well said. And, the also reminds me of the Left's pursuit of [thier] _utopia._

[@Darkmatrix22]

Im american man, i lived in london for 6 years… love british people, respect the British very much. They are the most loyal friends I have ever had. Douglas Murray is truly a genius. And extremely handsome 😅

[@kyles7087]

I loved this debate, so much respect for both Douglas and Ayaan! What an incredible human being.

[@niveditamishra6875]

I am forever amaze how so many Muslims say that Islam doesn't need reform.

[@stoggsherfnik4569]

It’s set up not to be challenged by reform other than towards originalist fundamentalism

[@usmanballo7621]

It's prohibited to reform ,coz according to these sandn###r, it's the words of aoloahahaha

[@priyabarlota5137]

They are delusional

[@I.Kat.]

A religion which needs a huge reform is not a true religion. 10 commandments of Moses worked centuries ago, they worked when Jesus came and they still work today!

[@joek8948]

lsIam doesn't need reform because m0slems believe its from the word of god. It cannot be reformed, it's not allowed to be reform.

[@nancykisich3263]

Name me one Islamist country with liberal values, freedom of speech, equal rights for gays & women, etc. we can talk till the cows come home about lovely intelligent nice Muslims but at the end of the day, it does not negate one iota the results

[@cliomuse1206]

They don’t need to become liberal democracies per se - their culture and ethos is obviously not compatible with ours. That’s fine. It’s absolutely fine to remain a conservative monarchy for example. But most of them are either failed states with warring radical factions or oppressive theocracies. I don’t expect them to have a pride march, but at the very least they can stop beheading gays. I don’t expect feminism to thrive there, but at the very least - in the 21st century - their women ought to have some level of autonomy, access to education and not be forcefully married at the age of 12 to their first cousin.

[@shrhead]

I am against the motion but UAE is your answer

[@nancykisich3263]

@shrhead the UAE is a liberal nation compared to the other Arab nations and they are in the 21st century as far as trade with Israel and other western nations so that’s a good thing. As far as freedom of religion, they have some distance to go. I like to think after the Oct 7 war and post US elections, we will all be moving in the right direction again.

[@chupapi-o5u]

​@@shrheaduae is authoritarian. They're dictators. I geuss you have dubai in mind but that's because they want the tourists

[@chupapi-o5u]

​@@shrheaduae is authoritarian

[@Mik.B4]

Dear Muslims, please leave Islam and save humanity

[@allenanderson4911]

The fact that they call themselves muslim moderates instead of muslim apostates tells me alot...about those two.

[@sawdust34]

"Elevate the value of a girl as a human being higher than valuing her hymen" BOOM! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Ayaan is so intelligent and beautiful and classy. She's amazing

[@cherylnagy126]

to function as a "moderate" Muslim it first becomes necessary to ignore the fundamental tenets of the religion

[@fitasadolphin]

Douglas, this is indeed a classic, pays to revisit annually.

[@jodybellon4206]

Wow. I'd love it if Douglas could interview these two again

[@rimasmolis8288]

If it takes centuries to work out wether Islam is a religeon of peace or not..i think it's proberably not..

[@hannacook859]

I never heard anyone screaming Jesus Christ before they did something violent Nor did I hear them scream Eluhim Sababa or anything like it But I did hear many violent people scream Allah Akbar before killing

[@InstagramParisLiLiPhotography]

​@@hannacook859eluhim sababa 😅👌 I said exactly the same to friend recently. If some maniac would go "Baruch ata Ad"n'ai" and brutally kill people , there'd be hundred's of thousand in the street protesting not in my name. Silent majority *must* stand. The 2 panelists advocating for are extremely brave indeed, and if there were millions speakings up like they do, this debate wouldn't happen. The issue is exactly that there are not. And there is a reason why. And Douglas and the other panelists showed very well why it is so.

[@evebeauregard8117]

@@hannacook859 ha ha. Good observation.

[@mitar6206]

Majjid is brilliant in practicing taqqiya. Says a lot but goes around to excuse bad things to sound great

[@benallen566]

He learned a lot about how to leech off of people’s feelings and distract them and keep opinions divided by engaging in demagoguery. Zero rational discussion and Zero criticism of his own religion and Prophet.

[@candycolriv]

What is taqqiya? I keep seeing that. I don’t wanna google something I don’t wanan see lol

[@mitar6206]

@@candycolriv do google it, no harm in that. Self educating is brilliant. Read few explanations if you want to be sure

[@I.Kat.]

​​@@candycolriv Loophole for lying in Islam. Case 1: If lying is the only means to achieve legitimate Islamic objectives for oneself or others, Nawawi, quoting Ghazali, states: “Every praiseworthy goal that can be achieved without lying should not be pursued by lying, and if it cannot be achieved except through lying, then lying is permissible. If achieving that goal is permissible, then the lying is permissible; and if it is obligatory, then the lying is obligatory…” Case 2: In the context of war, deception is sometimes necessary to protect the well-being of the Muslim community and secure victory over their enemies. Case 3: Lying to your wife to maintain the happiness of the husband. (One of the best excuses for adultry) Case 4: To reconcile people and resolve social conflicts.

[@imyourhuckleberry83]

You can only get to violence as a Christian by ignoring Jesus. You can only get to peace as a Muslim by ignoring Muhammad. That's the key difference that will always plague Islam.

[@stoggsherfnik4569]

Fortunately nowadays both of these groups have internet access to learn more about the original testament by scholars fluent in its original language.

[@goldie862]

Nominating yours for internet comment of the week. Well said.

[@InstagramParisLiLiPhotography]

@imyourt I was trying to formulate that but couldn't find the proper way. This sentence is just 100% true and perfect

[@nspihu]

Very well said....

[@benmarr352]

Wonderfully eloquent. Indeed you could say read the New Testament or read the Koran. So two key tenets of Islam are not peaceful. I don't really understand the Hadif, but it's probably a full house from what I have heard in the debate.

[@SkunkApeMeg]

Douglas and Ayaan cleaned up 🔥

[@Life-Row-Toll]

I remember watching this debate within days of its initial upload on KZbin. It was such a great debate, and I'm glad I have the chance to watch it again.

[@numberwang1256]

This piece is timely, and has aged well. By this point, the arguments were predictable. I thank the "against" side, for (easily) standing their ground, and defending (easily) why the "question" of interest, just isn't so. But some goods points on the pro side were made, even if they are more requests/hopes, than reality. And with that, I leave you with a joke. I was having mud coffee with my neighbor Shimon. We were discussing Islam, and its "merits", and I asked if it was true, that Islamists really believe they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise", reachable only through unspeakable evil and matyrdom. His reply was telling. Shimon said, "You are wrong. The "martyr" does not receive 72 virgins in paradise. They receive only 1 virgin, and she is 72 years old".😀

[@angelok195]

In Islam there is no separation between 'church and state'. They will not accept the laws or 'state' of another country if it is in contradiction to Islam. Personal and anecdotal examples of some moderate Muslims is not an argument that the religion is in any way moderate.

[@stoggsherfnik4569]

Group of Muslims from Seattle were invited by a Unitarian church I used to attend. They told the entire congregation, flat out, “We. Have no respect for your western system of governance or lawmaking.” They made no bones about it. Split no words.

[@I.Kat.]

​@@stoggsherfnik4569If others say the same about sharia law muslims feel offended! 😂

[@stoggsherfnik4569]

@@I.Kat.Indeed. Oh pity them😹

[@hayden3975]

Came for Douglas, stayed for Ayan. What a remarkable woman.

[@paulking187]

Ayaan Hirsi Ali not letting anything go by unnoticed, ' your cuddly scholars', she made me spit my tea!

[@hayden3975]

First I'd watched of her, maybe she butt in a little too much, but wow! What an incredible woman.

[@candycolriv]

It’s prescient she made it clear at the end, that she was NOT against all religions. Seeing as, she “came out” as Christian last fall. I think the other side KNOWS that Islam isn’t a religion of peace. I mean, they speak haltingly, especially the other lady, & almost trembling regarding the death threats. Did you notice she never answered the question she was asked ? The woman from the crowd asked, if it’s about interpretation & Ayan is just interpreting it in bad faith or misunderstanding, how would YOU interpret it? She asked her to contextualize & question what it meant. She didn’t do that because, unlike what she said, she CANNOT. Her quivering let you know she wasn’t being honest. (Not that I blame her. I’d be scared too. But then don’t lie.) They just can’t openly argue that it isn’t because, what does that say about them? Their parents? It can be hard to swallow that pill.

[@chupapi-o5u]

​@@hayden3975 she's a grifter. For the right intentions. She believes society should be Christian like jordan peterson, but doesn't factually believe in it

[@katpar6647]

​@@chupapi-o5u i watched her debate with dawkin. Her conversion to Christianity is sincere. She had a spiritual encounter which led her to become first a deist and shirtly after to join a church. Dawkin went into that debate believing she had joined for purely political reasons and was shocked. It basically derailed the entire debate: he had no arguments prepared for this situation and she was to new to her faith to be able to explain it at her usual level

[@DigiDriftZone]

I watched this about a decade ago, it's so frustrating that nothing has changed. If anything, Maajid now releases podcasts with titles like: "Netanyahu funded and supported Hamas for war", and Zeba Khan seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, it's such a shame as they were such wonderful voices, who do we have left in the fight to reform Islam?

[@alicee2952]

I saw this years ago. Important discussion still!

[@ElizabetaDante]

Exactly..we never need to question if Christianity is a religion of peace

[@bradbarker8286]

I hope Douglas has good security and stays safe. He needs to be protected at all costs.

[@nancykisich3263]

48:13. Does Islam need a reform? “We have to be careful.”

[@Raethoric]

This person, her family is special because seeking knowledge is very unislamic.

[@ladyjade6446]

Islam is not peaceful. Just look around.

[@nostromo7654]

Look closer, maybe.

[@Timeisless]

​@@nostromo7654nah

[@I.Kat.]

​@@nostromo7654closer? Literally hateful.

[@nostromo7654]

@@I.Kat. Don't let the media or people decide for you. Everything will appear hateful.

[@I.Kat.]

@@nostromo7654 130+ verses about kafr. Full of hateful content. I don't need media to make decisions for me, quran is very clear about jihad and then add the hadiths.

[@gladysngau]

I have relatives who married with a Muslim man, she’s have to converts to Muslim because that is Muslim law in my country.Few year later he divorced her with 2 little children after he found out she have cancer.Long short story She return to her Christian family and She died and buried in Christian cemetery.The very next day a group of Muslim guys with a van and muslim fews of police man come to tell her family ,they have go to digging out her grave to take the her body to Muslim cemetery. So so sad why this happened and actually many more different case happened in my country. This make me wonder about how bad they religion in many way I don’t agree with.

[@josephinelamkins7661]

😢😢😢

[@anuragsinha2013]

For the past 20 years there has been a debate on the same topic "Islam is a religion of Peace." I have seen Douglas Murray do one 10 years ago. I have seen Christopher Hitchens do one 15 years ago. I have seen others intellectuals do one 20 years ago. The point of these debates have become one thing only, which is to make this "Topic of Islam" merely a topic of academic discussion, so that no one demands any action but only to stifle or delay any action, till the barbarist reach our gates and then everyone is just forced to bend thier views to suit the views of this new electoral constituency.

[@anuragsinha2013]

Dear Douglas Murray, when I search for your channel or videos there are ten other videos that come up that are reaction videos to your comments but your channel doesn't come up. It is only after I type uncancelled history or gravitahn or Freedom speaks UK or an talk tv or sky Australia or type the titles of that specific video related to that topic then your videos past and present come up.

[@candycolriv]

This is so true. Continue to make it an academic debate rather than, an existential crisis.

[@theinngu5560]

Maajid trying to put the blame for Islamists on western fascism is ridiculous. People are 💯 responsible for their actions. If we don’t have the tools to look inwards at the hatred in our minds then that is on us..no one else. Full stop.

[@jonathanguyot624]

absolutely and where were the "western fascists" during the 300 years of all around warfare and conquest of the Muslims that lead to the first crusade being launched to help fellow Christians?!

[@aperson_1852]

The founding fathers of the United States did have abolishment of slavery in their mind. They choose their words very carefully to allow the country to work towards that

[@EveHoward631]

A brilliant debate! Thank you 🌹

[@ElizabetaDante]

The old tale of you don’t speak Arabic 😂

[@duames]

Ziba Kahn seems very nice , but comes from a very liberal community of muslims , sadly these liberal communities are vastly in the minority !

[@kevingallen1678]

Ayaan is now a Christian,there is something saintly about her.

[@rosemariehof3765]

She’s super beautiful and intelligent, with a harrowing personal history

[@kevingallen1678]

Yes she has suffered and to make it worse she married a Scotsman!

[@candycolriv]

Wasn’t it interesting, in the end, she corrected the other woman & said that she is not against all religions. Even though, she was speaking as an atheist then. What a inspiring story

[@Kindnessloveunderstanding]

She has a glow about her.

[@johnnybrooks-mt6ih]

Thanks for this video, I'm Jewish, and this woman surprised me with some things I didn't know about Muslims

[@b-radsadventures6846]

I remember watching this when it came out.

[@anuragsinha2013]

If islam is an the religion of Peace, shouldn't the extremists be extremely peaceful. _ Ricky Gervais. You can easily spot any religion of Peace. It's extremist members would be extremely peaceful: Ricky Gervais.

[@andrie1968]

What an epic quote!

[@amosmwesigye3045]

The reason Muhammad's wife was his boss is because hadijah was a rich woman. Muhammad liked hadijah's wealth not her.

[@glorialeder989]

This is a wonderful dialogue.

[@nancykisich3263]

Yes, most people love peace. The defense of Islam being pursued here is in defense of good Muslim people, not the good Muslim religion. It’s a bit of gaslighting because if Islamist terrorists were not repeatedly attacking the free world, we wouldn’t be having this debate

[@ElizabetaDante]

They changed my heart ❤😂 what a lie . How crafty they are, they have very good discourse writers

[@overlex]

I feel bad for Majit, with that useless nobody on his corner 😂😂 She wasn’t there to help him against Goku and Superman essentially 😂

[@ElizabetaDante]

Europe is the culprit of hijacking the true Islam 😂 how crafty he is

[@theinngu5560]

Yes absolutely ridiculous..try blaming everyone else but the problem itself

[@JoseMontantes-vk9nd]

While Said 💫🌺🌾Ayan hery ali ✨🍂🌾 I only watch this talk and debate, Because of you ! Thank you for All you Do ! And support 🌼🌿🍃 the fallen Muslim , and those that Don't know ? about Islam . Keep going STRONG 💞 with your extra Heart 🌾! Thanks A. 💫

[@JoseMontantes-vk9nd]

Oops ! So sorry 🌺🌾 Ayaan Hirsi Ali 💫 I put your name wrong at first . Have a good Day . When I pushed the cc , that's how they spelled your name .

[@timwingham8952]

Debate is essential in this world. Those that will not engage in verbal interaction do themselves and their beliefs no favours.

[@tonylord9917]

Apparently, Allah speaks only in Arabic. That is why Islamic apologists claim an exaggeration of a text when spoken in English or any other language other than Arabic. They always fall back on that but then that's when you know you have a religion of tyranny. It is true that you can get many things by learning to read the Bible in hebrew, greek, and Latin. However, an English speaking person who reads the Christian Bible (all 73 books, mind you) only in English can learn what he/she needs to and become a great Christian. Not to mention the fact that Islam has never had an intellectual tradition of evangelizing. Most all conversions to Islam since the time of Muhammad have come from the point of a sword. This is undeniable historical fact.

[@josephinelamkins7661]

he spoke it but he was illiterate so how would he write it 🧐

[@bayernvorn]

I'm only an engineer, but as far as I know, it's a little different to understand. Luther was not a prophet. At first he just wanted to reform the Catholic Church and translated the Bible into German. This makes him an important inventor of the German language. The reaction of the Pope and some German princes who supported his work ultimately led to the split from the Catholic Church. After that, peasant uprisings against the nobility took place in the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. In this context, Luther justified the violence against the peasants by saying that the Bible says "be a subject of the authorities who have power over you". IMHO, there is nothing in the Bible about killing peasants. May be that Luther said this, but this is only his opinion.

[@edmundmawlong9116]

Yes u right brother.

[@garyhamden2159]

Thank you Douglas I feel much of Hitchens force in you ❤

[@tigersforever4577]

Well, it's good to know that women and men pray together in some mosques.

[@suvoir]

I really like Douglas, but Aryan is beyond admiration. What an absolute legend.

[@olgam601]

Douglas Murray is the best always.

[@stasia_bonni]

Came across this video in September but didn’t bother to remember Douglas’s name. And then I started following him on Instagram after the Oct 7th terror attack but didn’t think it was the same person. After a week of watching his posts I realized that the way he speaks sounded very familiar and was pleasantly surprised to learn that I “fell in love” with the intellect of 2 people who turned out to be the same person 😅 And yet it made me sad to realize that there was one less Douglas in this world

[@primeminister1040]

White supremacy much ?

[@stasia_bonni]

@@primeminister1040 Towards who exactly? Anyone who's not white? My mom is Korean, so it makes me less white? I'm also slavic (for your information: the term slave has its origins in the word slav. The slavs, who inhabited a large part of Eastern Europe, were taken as slaves by the Muslims of Spain during the ninth century AD).

[@primeminister1040]

@@stasia_bonni the word "white" here doesn't refer to skin color but rather a racist ideology held by western colonial countries that started in the enlightenment period and continues to this day. Also, about the Muslim slavery thing, you literally copy pasted it from a freaking BBC website, trying to white wash the unspeakable crimes committed by white western people.

[@stasia_bonni]

Again, you seem to be very focused on your slogans and trying to project what are clearly your passionately held opinions regarding Western colonialism on a debate focused on evaluating religion which had a significant expansionist and militaristic history of its own, however much you’d like to recast it as otherwise. Also you seem to have a dangerously dismissive view, as historical facts whether presented by the BBC or any other source are just that, and if you want to have a proper historical appraisal of slavery or cultural colonialism you can not simply just make everything about Western crimes in that regard without acknowledging the far longer period of time where the expanding Muslim Caliphate were guilty of the same.

[@jonathanguyot624]

by the qur'an itself peace can only be achieve when there no more unbeliever and reciprocally if all become apostates, else is mind hankering.

[@annnilsson501]

Few Muslims speak for Islam …but all support them

[@AbdinasirmuhumedAdan-pl6pz]

Those who are clapping you (Ayan Hirsi Ali) will never protect you the angels in the grave

[@anuragsinha2013]

I am yet to see a debate about Is Buddhism a religion of peace?

[@anuragsinha2013]

In the words of Prime Minister Lee Kwan Yew on Islamism "A strong but firm government will ride this wave but a soft government looking to accomodate everyone's views would lead to mischief".

[@garyhamden2159]

It’s a proven fact that if you want to raise the level of society,empower the women

[@Jealous_Doughnut]

My main contention with what Majid says is this: If an uneducated stone age peasant had a child bride, then yes you can contextualise and make the argument that he was more innocent because of the time he was living in. But I don't think this can be done as well with Muhammad because muslims believe he was the final prophet of god (basically the most important human being in history) and so why would a god allow his final prophet to marry a child when it would have been so easy for god to make it so the prophet did not marry a child? Surely this just shows plainly that Islam is not true

[@priyabarlota5137]

This debate definitely didn't age well...for the motion side.. look at countries in middle east, in this time, they are all engaged in war and living in misery, the countries apparently ruled by Sharia Laws, look at Afghanistan where all rights for women are taken away, the absolute travesty, look at the influx of immigrants in west & how much trouble they are causing, opening debate to actually close the gates for them...look at countries like Pak & Bangladesh where every day minorities like Hindu & Christians are persecuted...truth is...Islam was & is not a religion of peace & it won't be until the apologist admit out loud that there are things inherently wrong within Islam, I personally feel bad for women, especially when people in liberated countries like India, France & USA talk about right to wear hijab in schools where it is against dress code & women in Iran are dying to not wear it.

[@ericadler9680]

"Muslim-American" - so Islam is an ethnicity now?

[@anuragsinha2013]

Dear Douglas Murray, when I search for your channel or videos there are ten other videos that come up that are reaction videos to your comments but your channel doesn't come up. It is only after I type uncancelled history or gravitahn or Freedom speaks UK or an talk tv or sky Australia or type the titles of that specific video related to that topic then your videos past and present come up.

[@bokilo12]

If I become and apostate under christianity my life would not be in danger ,but if i do it under islam my life is possibly forfeit. Do with this info as u please.

[@Johlibaptist]

Without grace chesed and agape love religion becomes dangerous and twisted. By their fruits you shall know them.

[@Petteriks]

"it was rubbish at the time, it's rubbish now" a quote to remember

[@kamallyons2035]

Hello Majid it was the Arabs who profited with the slave trade, even today in Middle East Africans used as slave and the fifth wife of course😂

[@kholoodpauls6617]

When Islam is weak they bow. Things changed now they get stronger they will force any thing.

[@capnscarleg]

I wish everyone would have argued their points more from the writings of Muhammad.

[@CarliMichelle]

WOOO what a treat

[@kimj5037]

When Zeba spoke of women's rights in Islam, my mind immediately went to Mahsa Amini. The young lady who, in 2022, was murdered by the Iranian 'morality' police for improperly wearing her head scarf. So, 12 years on, her arguments have not aged well. As for Maajid, I have the utmost respect for how he stood up to the authoritarian covid lockdowns and mandates (his conversation with Joe Rogan was brilliant), but on this panel, I found him lacking. The question of 'IS Islam a religion of peace?' is NOT the same as 'Could Islam be a religion of peace?'.

[@candycolriv]

That was so gross. She showed no genuine concern for the women who are 2nd class citizens around the Arab world.

[@headlesschicken99]

Like someone smart once said, the peacefull population (of any religion) is irrelevant when it comes to national secutiry. Discussing the risks and taking measures against the small, dangerous, relevant part shouldn't not be seen as racist, but evidence based..

[@Aijan100]

Dear Douglas, thank you for posting this talk her with its important conclusions. We need these conversations these days. Muslims must define Islam for themselves - which Muslim type hijack the religion from the other is a big question. Extremists will maintain that true Islam is exactly hatred of infidels, conquest and violence in the name of Allah.

[@ElizabetaDante]

The public imagination 😂 yes, my friend lost his life…and that’s just imagination. The polished discourse of the new jihadists

[@paulrogers4234]

If you want Islam to be a religion of peace, you would first have to acknowledge that by definition, it isn't a religion of peace. If you are moving to a pasture where the grass is greener, you are acknowledging that your grass isn't green, or is at the very least less so.

[@michalsiletsky2939]

"Even in israel" thank you for that Israeli lives matters

[@jonnnodunkerton843]

Good discussion. Should we have the orator making the comments in between or allow us to make up our own minds

[@jonnnodunkerton843]

Oops sorry, was a previous debate I was watching. Ignore for this debate please 😑

[@AlanFarquharson-bi8mt]

Good debate.

[@judybichara3127]

My husband born and grew up i Egypt with his 2 sisters their father ade sure they left the country because he could see how the country was heading , They changed their christian names because it was hard to get jobs with a christian name ,this was in the 70s some stories my husband has told me some very disturbing stories of Egypt and as his father was in a position to get tbem into any country they wanted to go .I know more than most people and i know every word is true . w a lot of the terrible try

[@kamallyons2035]

Spot on Douglas….but it looks to me like “Kanin ki eet kahin KA roda Bhanumati ne kunba Joda”😂 no hard feelings😅❤

[@Dr.Drakken_]

The BIGGEST issue Islam has…a current mouth piece for Allah. Aka one voice of authority for Allah

[@anuragsinha2013]

Come back to me in 20 years when you are still discussing. "Islam is a religion of Peace?"

[@FittnFaith]

Muslims had their chance to speak out for peace when they attacked Israel. IJS.

[@farcenter]

Amazing

[@TheRtyfghcvb]

A Lion do not need to tell you he is a Lion. You just know it. A religion of peace does not need to try hard to convince you that it is peaceful. The fact that this debate video exists, is the only indication you need to know that the peacefulness of this religion is strongly debatable. You do not ever doubt if Buddhism is a religion of peace. Do you? Why not so? Because even asking that question is laughable. But look at last 1400 of bloodshed, war, beheading, raping, and hatred towards non muslims, and in the centre if it all, a pedophile prophet who killed an entire village and then took the women and children as the spoils of war... Islam trying to convince you it is a peaceful religion... in a joke on another level.

[@jonathanguyot624]

by the way the suicide bombing fatwa is only about "bombing" for it is too blind, not about other terror attacks...

[@ElizabetaDante]

I learnt in prison”…how, who thought him? “Surprisingly “ Abu obayda, yayah sinwar, and many others..they all learnt jihadi tactics and techniques in prison 😀🚩

[@patrichesul2288]

These intelligence debates will weaken the violent ideologies of Islam.. saving their sons young lives, than being muted in fear to speak.. love your sons Muslim women, not allowing the devil of Islam to kill them in whatever activities in the evil name of Allah..