Political Correctness and Vacuous Wokeness: Douglas Murray debates Sylvana Simons

[@marleen1451]

Ignore this woman, just like we do in the Netherlands.

[@Tiamat013]

Truth

[@bonesix]

check

[@misamarinovik6215]

That is the best say to deal with such people. +1

[@kindanyume]

ignoring hr is dangerous sinnce that leaves her free to spew such bs and some will fall for it unless her lies are exposed

[@whoknows8225]

She says she is a "Party Leader" but she 1 seat in the Amsterdam local township. And her "Party" has 0 seats in the parliament in The Hague. Besides, the best way to deal with extremists is to let them speak and ignore them at the same time. They will speak more and extreme BS which leads to self elimination. The fate of all extreme leftists, suicide by going more and more extreme. Let them be heard.. let everyone hear their nonsense.

[@antman2826]

Douglas calmly explains everything wrong with wokeness.... then she demonstrates everything wrong with wokeness.

[@bobdole7127]

That's how lessons are usually conducted, right? You learn the theory first, then there's a practical demonstration.

[@barrychuckle5565]

100%. She is the shining example of the minority of idiots trying to spoil everything for the majority of sane minded people.

[@Pietje_Piraat]

The woman is not very intelligent. She gets sweeped under the intellectual rug quite quickly in this discussion.

[@benjaamin8]

He's smart, almost like he knew what she would say before she said it.

[@H3nry488]

@@yukiminami9202 You mean "dismantle western society by applying racism against white people"

[@MisterMonsterMan]

This woman is the type of person I tune out completely. Pompous demeanor, absolute confidence that she is the smartest person in the room and ideas that a very small but loud groups of generally very unhappy and hateful people agree with. Toss her overboard with the latrines!

[@biccytrollox]

I think the majority of people would be erroneous in believing they're the smartest in the room when that room also contains Douglas Murray

[@McCorduRoy1972]

That's why we hate her here in the Netherlands because all the traits you mentioned.

[@squirrelofdoom3830]

Massive narcissist. CAn't be arsed listening to people like her, especially when they are next to a person as eloquent and intelligent as Murray.

[@phantomwalker8251]

no,no,no,no,,,,not the latrines,,please,,,there usefull,.

[@maccagrabme]

She comes across as far too arrogant and defensive, difficult to debate with someone so unstable, she is trying to stir up a problem that just isnt there. How did she cope in the 80s when growing up ffs, I bet she was afraid of her own shadow. Now she is picking on santa because she has no real world experience to justify her paranoia.

[@mariavictoria7829]

Douglas is an extraordinary communicator. Totally nails it!

[@ACS402010]

I am a black woman, and I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with Douglas Murray.

[@MartinHiggins1972]

Whaaaaat?! How can this be?!

[@Threemore650]

We also need to hear how Sylvia makes you cringe.

[@paulagoddard5391]

♥️ (from a "white person" who doesn't give a sh#t about skin colour)

[@sonofednawelthorpe8609]

I’m a gay man and agree with Douglas Murray. It’s good he has voice and dismisses that gay men are all lefties. I find it strange that some people seem to think who you sleep with determines your political opinions and which party you vote for. All the gay men I know are right leaning when it comes to politics - so there is a mix, just like any other demographic.

[@coolroy4300]

You are a great Human being ♥️✌

[@marionjohnson5251]

Douglas Murray is such an important and rational voice.

[@roryblake3232]

Amen

[@cof6466]

He is a genius and genuinely an important voice for freedom of speech.

[@prospero4183]

both pointless, good god the discussion could have just been a 2min voicing of views

[@leigh9807]

@@prospero4183 how? I bet you can’t explain why

[@davidwalsh2008]

@@prospero4183 Correct, not the best debate

[@gareiis2824]

It's incredible how within a few sentences of even getting started she proceeded to speak for her entire country. This is the exact rhetoric that is being used to bulldoze logic all over the world. Lady you speak for yourself and only yourself 100% of the time.

[@susankristina9762]

No one likes her over here 😂

[@craigdawson1749]

She said that her country’s version of Santa clause & his helpers were impersonating blackface, were being racist because they were covered in soot from going down the chimney. It has nothing to do with race!🤦🏿‍♀️

[@WhoStoleMyAlias]

@@craigdawson1749 She muffled in the word `supposedly` but it wasn't very well articulated. Can you believe this woman used to be an MTV VJ speaking English like that? In present day she acts as the Dutch department of BLM which in The Netherlands is even more silly than it is in its country of origin and mostly comes down to them wanting money for free because of their skin tone. A bit of history - Saint Nicholas is the catholic version of an ancient pagan midwinter rite of which many versions exist(ed) but they commonly are about the god Odin descending to Earth and leading an army of black creatures - ravens, death people, demons (you probably heard of Krampus) - to hunt children. The main change is that in the catholic version Saint Nicholas is not a boogie man but the protector of children who is keeping the demons on a leash. What makes the Dutch version stand out is that after the uprise in the 16th century catholic worship was banned by the new protestant government. The Saint Nicholas festivity prevailed behind closed doors and so transformed into a family feast that also found it's way to America where it got picked up by people that were eager to transform Christmas from a time of drinking and looting into something nicer. Saint Nicholas in Dutch is Sint Nicolaas, also pronounced as Sint Ni'Klaas or Sinterklaas and the latter phonetically transforms into English as Santa Claus. As freedom of speech became the norm two modernised versions of public Sinterklaas festivities rose: Dickens Christmas in Anglo-American territory and present day Sinterklaas in The Netherlands and Belgium and of course both feasts became the victim of their own success, first targetted by commerce and then by the media. Television required Black Pete to become brown which of course no viewer noticed until the introduction of colour TV and then it went haywire - stupid jokes, actors trying too hard by mimicking accents from immigrants and the seed was sown for people like Simons to start an endless stream of pointless accusations while posing as a victim. Of course with charlatans like this there is always only one winner, this woman managed to get herself elected into parliament and as such now receives three times the income of an average white guy.

[@ErikDeMann]

The dangers of herd mentality, exemplified. She likely talked with her girlfriends inside her limited social bubble, and they all agreed with her, (most of them out of fear of being excluded from the "club"), and that then becomes the agreement of the entire world in her mind. The quintessential definition of solipsism, basically. But the facts are that this woman only speaks for a miniscule percentage of the whole population, and only an ever-increasingly radicalized femimarxism has provided her with a voice, with the clearly stated goal of creating further societal division. In short: She's a tool on a platform built out of decades of deliberate social engineering, entirely focused on population reduction.

[@dianemilligan7370]

The Woke don’t appear to be able to hear any viewpoint but their own.

[@saristaa1]

*Sylvana Simons wants to lead us down the road to insanity and Douglas Murray is saying, "I'm not going."*

[@joannasuccess]

Thing is when society is consistently being DRIP FED this WOKE garbage, then it gradually sinks in over time. It is the generation below us, we MUST remind of what is real and what is make believe.

[@mr.k905]

I’m offended by her statements. She should get fired immediately because she does not respect my feelings.

[@MartenFerret]

I like Zwarte Piet beer. :(

[@dariabusek3566]

Yes, when she says "respect," she means "kowtow to."

[@robertmack2002]

Only a leftist is allowed to be offended.

[@madparsons3526]

Absolutely.

[@yousigiltube]

If someone doesn't allow you to speak your own mind or even try to arrive at your own thoughts and beliefs because of their own interests then very likely they don't respect you as an individual (since they don't want to encounter you as one). Everyone innately wants to be free, to have the right to speak and think for themselves and to not be dictated to, everyone hates being coerced, manipulated, bullied, pressured or cajoled to speak and act in ways that don't agree with their sense of self (we struggle to grow into our freedoms from childhood). That is why I think Sylvana Simmons approach is completely incorrect and self-defeating, she says that we must show respect for a trans person by agreeing that they are the gender of their preference, but that is ridiculous in my mind, for a number of reasons: * First, those two things simply aren't the same or coequal; someone who is narcissistic, egotistical, self-superior or highly ambitious might be annoyed or offended if you didn't treat them as a big shot, but I am not obligated to do this, and there are many other ways to show respect towards that person other than indulging their self-conception, such as treating them well, listening to them, putting up with their excesses, being generous to them socially when it is appropriate etc. etc. You can show someone respect by not avoiding them, by looking after them, by not excluding them, by being fair and equitable towards them and others (applying the same standards as you would with anyone else, even when you would rather not), but you can do all of these things without agreeing that a man is a woman. My neighbour might be angry with me if he has a Messiah complex and I don't agree that he is the Messiah, but that doesn't mean I have to dislike him, make fun of him, hate him or try to deny him his rights - my uncle is trans, but I am not obligated to think of him in the same way he thinks of himself (I am willing to guess my estimation of many people I respect and treat respectfully is different from their self-estimation, but that is just one facet of our lives and interactions, we still manage to get on with the work of life). I DO respect trans people, but I disagree that there is just one type of trans person, that they are all the same, conceive of themselves in the same way and want the same things, the phenomenon is also so new and ever evolving (which is why we're only just starting to run into problems like trans children and inequalities in sports) that I don't think it is even necessary for me to have strong opinions or beliefs on it at all times; if the terrain is clearly complicated, nuanced and sometimes messy why would I allow someone else to force their simplistic beliefs on me about the subject when I haven't settled on what I even think about it all yet? * Second, to return to my earlier point, we all hate being forced to say things or act in ways that don't come naturally to us. Sylvana Simmons seems to think that we owe it to a person of colour, a trans, non straight or religious person to not offend them, I disagree. Of course we shouldn't be excessively rude and offensive towards others, but we have a right to live our own best lives and be ourselves regardless of whether others might occasionally be offended by this (religious people are going to be offended by people who are sexually liberal or promiscuous, but neither should be able to dictate to their opposite). It is fundamental to who we are, as people, that we all want to be free, able to think for ourselves and express ourselves. This is more meaningful and fundamental to who we are than any sense of how black, gay or trans we might be, because all of those things are only one facet of who we are, but the degree to which we are free and empowered as individuals effects every facet of our lives and being. We live in a liberal democracy which does an amazing job of fostering and enhancing these goods (freedom, happiness, self-exploration), so we should do what we can to try and achieve the goals of giving people more freedom, but also at the same time encourage love, tolerance and mutual respect. We don't need to excise freedom of thought and freedom of expression from our societies or universities to cultivate the freedom of minorities, we just need to keep better educating society as a whole and working on the values that make democratic society possible, because fundamentally we all want a liberal society with freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression and a culture of mutual respect. We can continue to grow and mature our democracy without rampant cancel culture, without forcing race, sex and sexuality into every conversation, without radicalised lunatics who have no integrity taking over every facet of society (journalists who don't do real, principled journalism, academics who don't actually embody the values of academia, populist politicians who blame everything on systemic racism or patriarchy, and 'experts' on woke talking points who have no respectability outside of commercialised, faux-radical circles and their coat-tail chasers). * Third, it might be seen as a flippant or sarcastic remark but I agree 100% with Kiryk Drewinski; because I value freedom of thought (as someone who has enjoyed university life, debate and academia), freedom of expression (as a lover of art / a would be artist), and as a liberal (who grew up in and believes in democratic society), I find what woke culture is doing to our democracy deeply offensive. I personally would find it deeply offensive if someone wanted to deny me the right to think and speak freely, because these things are so fundamental to who I am, what I want and what makes my life worth living. Equally, all of the comedians, politicians, artists and academics who have been cancelled or de-platformed on the slightest of offenses and the most exaggerated charges are sure to feel the same way. I would invite Sylvana Simons to think about the perspective of people like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle etc. etc. Usually I would try to round off the subject with a quick final paragraph but this is such a broad and bloated subject it is hard to meaningfully put a cap on the conversation. Maybe the best I could achieve would be to say that we should go back to principled, intelligent and dignified thinkers like Martin Luther King, rather than look towards the terminally offended as our guides on how best to conduct ourselves and organise our societies.

[@TheSeer101]

She has that smug woke look. They have no idea how their pretentiousness annoys everyone, especially when they have nothing of true intelligence to say.

[@disf5178]

I don't understand how "woke" even applies. Maybe if this was the 60's...but, its not.They just make stupid shit up to be all enraged about. They're nothing more than narcissistic, spoiled brats

[@jamesblack9499]

@@disf5178 meaning of . Woke . Smarmy prat

[@davidwaxman2285]

She refrains from looking at him while he speaks, or when she speaks. No respect at all.

[@atheistscience]

TheSeer101 everyone is dumber for having to listen to her She doesn’t even believe other black ladies are equal to her yet whines like a bitch about equality

[@claudedalton8970]

These bastards are Taking OVER the perverted, Liberal medias! We just laugh at them and continue to move on! They really don't want any of us! Locked and Loaded!

[@donner101]

He should have turned to her and said, "I am a black woman". I identify as the blackest woman ever don't tell me anything about being a black woman".

[@robbas_krk1510]

Best comment ever!

[@angelaconner3131]

@@robbas_krk1510 for sure!

[@jasonboulton9530]

So woke lol

[@meatpuppet2136]

That would be fun. Murray is not there to make sarcastic remarks, he always tries to keep the discussion serious.

[@HindiRapGuru]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@cryptoskywalker6000]

Thank you for fighting the good fight, Douglas. And for showing such patience and class in the face of such unrelenting imbicility.

[@tooyoungtobeold8756]

I get the feeling this black woman is a professional victim.

[@NatasjavanDijknah]

Yes she is.

[@radicalrodent6005]

@@NatasjavanDijknah It seems that it is only these "professional victims" who are given any air-time - nothing ever broadcast about Thomas Sowell's or Morgan Freeman's opinions, though, are there? Awful lot of "ums" and "ers" in her speech, too.

[@jvgauthier]

She struck me as such from the first 30 seconds or so and I was waiting for Douglas to give her the killer reply, which didn't really happen. Dang, would have been fun :) Specially toward the end when she talked about respect, I thought she had deserved to be given a lecture. No, maam' respect is rare and has to be earned and not every child gets a trophy in life.

[@AltaMirage]

@@jvgauthier Douglas was weak. He has been tamed by the likes of this harridan. Poor show.

[@anthonysalgado5118]

Plenty of them are born victims , the whole world is against them.

[@jonathanmay9044]

Respect is earned, not demanded. I respect Douglas but not Sylvana.

[@janedove4281]

Exactly!

[@georgfrap]

It is here where we have to be careful with these people, they are changing, without the majority of society realizing it, the meaning and the usage of words and traditions. If we are use using their words and definitions, believing that we know the meaning of them, we are on their battleground, and we will lose that fight, because after the new meaning of a word, our arguments seem weak, always be aware of that, whatever you do, don't attack their ideas first, but the changes they make to the language, only then can we have a say in what the battleground looks like. A good example of this is Decency and Respect are interchangeable among these people, but Merriam-Webster says otherwise www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decent#synonyms www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/respect#other-words

[@jonathanmay9044]

@piranhaP Well you lost my respect with the word correction. Never heard the term. Both have to be earned in my opinion.

[@YanAbaus]

Calling Sylvana Simons a politician is like calling a 6 year old with a lemonade stand an entrepreneur.

[@TheShootist]

by the very definition.

[@isitoppositeday6944]

That doesn't seem fair to the child... this woman is insane.

[@codychickadee5095]

I don't know about you, but I have seen some downright impressive ideas on display at lemonade stands!

[@isitoppositeday6944]

@@codychickadee5095 Right? I would say the 6 year old is better suited for business than Sylvana is for politics. In fact women like this should be kept as far away from actual policy or legislation as possible!

[@ORaddlyispissedoff]

YanAbaus politicians are all cunts

[@Cooler7328]

Love how she keeps demanding respect. Nobody deserves respect. Everyone has to EARN it. Douglas was very wise to say "courtesy".

[@jackbotman]

The horrid thing is, it's not respect she demands, it's authoritarianism disguised as respect, she want's the power to control other people's speech and there for behavior

[@DJC3PO]

​@@jackbotmanexactly. Her last point of "thinking before you offend somebody" was a non starter. Jordan Peterson said it best, but I will paraphrase. You can probably tiptoe around one person, what what about 10? What about 100? How about 10,000? There is a limitless list of things people are offended by, and you can't possibly avoid them all. If you have a sufficient audience, and you are talking about any kind of deep, real issue, it is impossible.

[@ryanrich06]

@@jackbotmanthat’s what anyone who supports this BS “cause” is seeking, total control over other thoughts and speech. It’s mind blowing people can’t see though this shit.

[@adamgrimsley2900]

Rubbish, fundamental human rights assumes respect. You do not to do anything to have the right of a trial by jury for example.

[@jackbotman]

​@@adamgrimsley2900Rubbish, the idea of rights is an absolute fallacy.

[@sudo_nym]

Douglas is such a classy man. Eloquent but blunt, courteous yet forthright.

[@omartinoco9930]

Murray was educated at Oxford the oldest university in England

[@timmobley8387]

Sudo Nym Obnoxiously assuming. Ha ha

[@sudo_nym]

Tim Mobley I suppose one might think that, if one was intellectually out-gunned.

[@AURORA08A]

I especially admire his balance. He is restrained and cautious whilst remaining brave and forthright. He demonstrated this particularly in his measured defence of Tommy Robinson, which was simply a refusal to throw a working class opponent of islamofascism under the bus. To me this showed that Douglas' restraint was prudential not cowardly. He seeks to avoid conflagration and this is admirable, but i do not doubt that he would march with head high and conscience clear unto the scaffold before submitting or recanting to evil. I would love to see a conversation between Murray and Milo; how is it that in this time manly virtues are so epitomised by such unlikely fellows ? Pray for them.

[@AURORA08A]

@@omartinoco9930 So was I , but i would hesitate to tie his shoes. Oxford was amazing, but the credit for making the most of the opportunity belongs to Douglas Murray himself

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

Great how she complains about racial profiling, then immediately engages in racial profiling.

[@FloridaGiantsWereReal]

Standard marxism....

[@dekejustice]

EXACTLY!

[@ab-hx8qe]

She has no problem with racial profiling just in who is being profiled.

[@brandwijkgg]

She is Dutch, why does she prefer this English accent.

[@dodibenabba1378]

@@brandwijkgg cuz it sounds cleva!

[@Vetinerigogogo]

Im from the Netherlands. Just to point out that Sylvana’s career path basically goes something like this. She was first a hair stylist, then a presenter on the equivalent of MTV here in the Netherlands. Because she is a black woman though, that’s all the credentials you need to become a political activist trying to get a seat in parliament. She’s pretty awful and indeed the pinnacle of wokeness in the Netherlands. She is by no means an intellectual, nor has any real credentials to speak about political issues. It is very hard to take her seriously

[@rsr789]

And that makes sense from her incoherent babblings when it was her time to speak.

[@interestedbystander196]

All that crap about Zwarte Piet being "in blackface" was a prime example. It's not blackface. It is dirt and soot from going up and down the chimney - so being dirty is racist now?

[@gregorybaetens8056]

stem die kut dan uit de regering? ;)

[@rvdb8876]

Well, I am Belgian (Flemish) and have seen her in the Dutch parliament and I completely agree with you. The fact that she lost her seat in the most recent election a year after your post says a lot, doesn't it?

[@WouterDieks]

I'm Dutch to, and want to say sorry for this terrible human being

[@morriswheatley9856]

She wasn't listening the entire time. These people never listen, they just wait for their turn to speak.

[@danielthomas8507]

So true...

[@fazexxlexx]

Bc if she listened, she might actually have to critically think and challenge her ideology. Easier to not listen than to challenge ones beliefs

[@sykram]

True. They can't listen. They believe there intellectualy superior. And if they actually listen then their argument can't stand up to logic or objective reality. Which by extension ridicules their chosen logic and reality which can't hold water in an adult conversation, So you just get these childish inflammatory and ridiculous slurs posing as counter arguments that your a racist,/sexist/xenophobe/ Nazi,/homophobe.etc.etc.. It's sad to see that this is the road that were on, and that effectively you can't have an adult conversation about these topics.

[@dekejustice]

Sadly, our youth love her diatribe, because, they can shut down anyone intellectually superior to them by using race, homophobia, etc....Its an easier route than learning and researching like we have forever!

[@kennybeans6115]

Be weary of a debater that spends most of their time postering and grinning for their fans in the crowd rather than actually *listening* to and dissecting their opponent’s statements, which is suppose to be the point, to elevate and strengthen the discussion and ideas.

[@CoolMessiah111]

They always have that smug, narcissistic smile and air of nonchalant arrogance. It’s sickening

[@mojopin70]

It really is, couldn't agree more. It's because they have been elevated by others to this position where they mostly go unchallenged.

[@oraz.]

Welcome to Cambridge / Boston Massachusetts / San Francisco.

[@poppycakes6805]

Megan Markle has that smug smile.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

It's a mix of invincible parochialism, under moral superiority, dupers delight or some other malicious satisfaction and doing harm she knows she's going to get away with telling lies she knows we'll get away with and so l fifth.

[@TDHurley]

Her sneering turned into full disgust noises by the end. You wouldn't want her to be a dictator... the killing fields would stretch for miles.

[@MH-wb4xk]

I always thought being courteous is expected but respect needs to be earned.

[@withgoddess1119]

Exactly. She misused the word and the meaning.

[@helencheung2537]

Right on!

[@stuntbaby63]

M H wrote, "I always thought being courteous is expected but respect needs to be earned." Wow! My thoughts, exactly! Excellent observation and very well said.

[@hollybinnington7600]

And she isn't courteous at all, ive lost count of how many times she has interrupted Douglas

[@dannygreen7473]

@@withgoddess1119 She has no idea what the word respect means. The left has usurped the word and destroyed it's true meaning.

[@PostInquiry]

Douglas Murray is one of the best voices currently around

[@Crystal-yn9qb]

And has the best tailor!

[@iamisaid2295]

how does Douglas stay so polite, the man is a legend.

[@starrattmaster]

Because he has class

[@jamessadia]

I felt his annoyance at the intellectually reductive company he found himself in, then he notes the pompous fireplace decor thing, and then internally sighs as he realises what he's in for. His intro was gold.

[@ianofliverpool7701]

Sometimes too polite

[@pablodmdp]

I wish i was gay so i could stay that cool and british

[@Qkano]

Because he's not a twat and has a brain. unlike ...

[@carolinekaye8926]

Lovely, generous, polite, erudite, intelligent Douglas Murray. Thank you.

[@GonzoDuke]

That woman is what is wrong with the world.

[@SteakSauceIceCream]

Like every word out of her mouth was bs lies

[@fredheuvel843]

Well, she's an actor/politician. What would you expect?

[@keithy363]

Her smirky face 😡

[@androidcaller7902]

Thanks, you saved me from saying it.

[@PanzerChicken69]

She is THE worse.. the anti black pete organisation is famous for disrupting childerensparties (thats what Sinterklaas is). She refuses to do her homework on the history of blackpete (who was a LIBERATED SLAVE who chose to serve Sinterklaas for freeing him.. ) Also: Sylvana is "partyleader" from a ONEMAN political party WITHOUT ANY support other than white people hating racist... Sylvana Simons has NO voice, NO support and DOESN'T deserve ANY respect.

[@booberry6715]

So she freely admits that neither her race nor gender held her back, but it was her strong character that propelled her into success. So what, she wants to wage a crusade in advocacy of black females who have a more timid character? She just destroyed her own argument.

[@grantmillard8387]

She is successful because she is awesome, not because she has opportunities that people who look like her have not historically had available to them. It's her personal awesomeness you understand. Awesome. Did I mention how awesome she is?

[@davidmacias741]

Just a bunch of words. No substance. She can get where she's at but for some reason other young black women can't?

[@HarleyQ5678]

Shows that she is not intelligent

[@HarleyQ5678]

​@@grantmillard8387 Yeah, looks so pathetic every time she praises herself 😂

[@legond6981]

Murray is having to take a big step down intellectually to debate this woman

[@Living_Connectedness]

Her logic is “We want a seat at the table, and we want to think and do as we please at the table, but in order to feel equal, we also want to take away _your_ ability to think or do as _you_ please, because that somehow negates my feelings and I won’t feel allowed to be ‘myself’ even though I actually have all rights supporting me to live as I wish.”

[@thumbsocial6754]

We all are lol

[@topcatcoolio8807]

No real intelligence from her. Just playing her pc flute

[@TheYusola]

Murray is a devious, brazen liar. Intellectual for the simpeletons!

[@topcatcoolio8807]

Murray tries to educate the deluded, and simpletons. Inc the brazen liars

[@voornaamachternaam771]

She has her own version of the truth, which is far worse than lying. Greetings from the Netherlands.

[@suzannenichols6900]

That's the way of the whole Left and the whole SJW movement and other factions of the Democrat Socialist movement (here in America). They want THEIR TRUTH...over & above FACTS. Joe Bye-Done, and one of those now famous moments of clarity, said it himself. He said they believe in TRUTH over FACTS. What he didn't say out loud was he meant HIS PARTY'S TRUTH over ACTUAL FACTS. INCLUDING scientific facts. For eg allowing, and even encouraging CHILDREN to decide, at their tender age, whether they want to be a boy or a girl is really tantamount to child abuse.

[@seamusolunacy]

Absolutely. The lie that Britain has always been diverse. Such a lie.. Monoculture for millenia until last 30 to 50 years

[@riancreamer6904]

So, an opinion then? .

[@MrShadowofthewind]

@@riancreamer6904 No, she twists facts around to make it fit for her, that is not an opinion.

[@maxflight777]

Voorman! A brilliant summary. Agreed.

[@rabidsquirrel2168]

Can't help but notice the difference between someone knowing what they're talking about, and someone just reading buzzwords from their tablet.

[@kellilofton1573]

She never even addressed any of his claims or talking points. She just read straight from her iPad. She just walked up and started naming off offenses by the cops and people who disagree with her. I understand points on both sides, but he was never smug and condescending. You could tell he was there to learn together. She was there to win an argument.

[@OghamTheBold]

US is 45th on the World Press Freedom Index #FreeAssange She mentioned divorced Prince Andrew's family that heads the church he loots 250,000 lifelong FREE money

[@MS-nw1gv]

Fucking all the LOLZ 🤣🤣🤣

[@davidmiatke6758]

Yeah I noticed that as well, She probably didn't get the memo when debating Douglas Murray come well prepared or best stay home!!!

[@Mako7eyes]

She'd fail a primary school presentation with that shit, most impressive part was how her glasses stayed in place considering she was looking at the ground so much

[@johnperry5660]

Excellent speech from Douglas Murray ! We need more people like him,

[@kipuchino]

She is a caricature of all woke people.

[@keithskegwin]

She's a real life titania mcgrath

[@DenUitvreter]

To be honest I think it's very unfair to have a thoughtful intellectual like Murray matched by someone not speaking her native language and a mediocre brain like Simons. Simons is someone who has, with a Dutch expression, 'fallen upward'. That often happens to the very privileged. In the wake of the economic crisis that hit the Netherlands pretty bad in the eighties most well off kids of her age studied hard to get some serious eduction with good job perspective but often not the most fun and interesting. Simons otoh was primarely concerned with dancing and jazz in the appearently not too deprived school. She quit high school after 3 of the 5 years, worked as a hairdresser shortly but was still allowed on a prestigious ballet school. Great of course, but she had the privilege to make such an uncertain career choice. But it's typical for the chances immigrants get in the Netherlands. Soon after she got famous as a presenter for TMF, an MTV like music network. She was very pretty and fun and she had a good career as a television presenter, usually the commercial low brow stuff. She did a book show once for which she wore glasses, looking even hotter, but she was out of her depth there despite it was a show for the 'popular' books. She wrote columns for the playboy but I never read the articles, but I suspect this had also something to with her looks. Over all those years she has consistently claimed that her skin colour worked to her advantage, and advantages she got, which can't have been surprising to any Dutch at that time. She also made some rather mean comments about black men and relationships in those days which could have been interpreted as racist. Anyway, it was the typical no nonsense assertive hot girl getting ahead in life in the post racial Netherlands of the 90's and 00's. And suddenly she was back as a radio DJ with 'the black list', a radioshow with only music from black people. I'm Dutch and I had never known the idea of 'black music'. I knew about seperate(d) audiences in the US but we never had that, jazz was embraced since the 20's: Almost all modern music is black in origin and played by people of all colours. We grew up with tapes and sleeves often not revealing the skin colour of the musicians. By far the biggest Dutch (language) band in the 80's that even caused a real mania was a ska/reggae band. Motown was also very well know since the 60's and rap hit the ground running. Even my guitar rock was quite black. It's not like 'black' music was ever overlooked and needed some extra attention. Soon after that she did nothing but playing the race card, she became a race card herself. Suddenly the Netherlands was a racist hell hole where non-whites got no chances and she even teamed up with the Turkish Erdogan fan party in the Netherlands because they are (supposed to be) not white. Now she is the princess of wokeness, making a job out of her skin colour and creating an industry of subsidized blackness in a process that oozes tribalism and clientelism of African size, not to say segregation. She's gone mental, entirely fact free and I mean seriously mental. The only explanation for her sudden change into a victim is serious mental issues that require professional help. Is that common among the woke? Do people become woke without mental issues?

[@christopherdesimone206]

@@DenUitvreter Well put and easy to follow your points on facts. Nature is the true force of life on our planet. She has no investment in any of her species, proof is, all go into extinction. Addressing the species of mankind, nature gave it critical thinking and the means to jump out of the box in which nature didn't think it through to see all the future problems it would cause. Nature didn't gift us with intelligence that would have prevented all the social problems we find our selves in now. However we have the ability to gain knowledge of the things that should bring us to a better understanding on how things should and could work in our favor to live better lives, such as gaining world peace, love for one another, wanting for others as we want for our selves and so on. This so called problem with race hating is a human mistake. Nature made the humans in four colors, (blood lines) red, black, yellow, and white, and these colors are long gone due to the mixing of these blood lines. So long gone is the red man, black man, yellow man, and white man. If anyone has a problem with that they should take that up with nature who doesn't care one bit, nor does she answer to any of her species. We've been given the tools to work things out for our selves so lets get busy by seeing the real truths in this reality, then do what we must to correct the things we have done that has put our lives, and the lives of our children in jeopardy and get it working as nature intended it to work in the first place, called survival, in which truth is a very necessary ingredient to solving the problems for all of us, keeping in mind that lies are the seeds of evil which keeps us all in darkness. Lets step into the light so all may see the true path to love and peace.

[@EVERTONFC.]

Pure knobhead mentality. No clue.

[@grisza77]

@@DenUitvreter "to fall upwards" nice one. We have "to be educated beyond one's intelligence" and "quarterinteligentsia" here in Poland.

[@davidturner9827]

I think she’s confusing “respect me” with “do what I say”. The only way a diverse society lives together is by disagreeing peaceably. And that’s the fundamental problem with woke: it’s trying to establish an orthodoxy, not a liberal democracy.

[@MethodiousMind]

David Turner just a heads up, I’m stealing your quote.

[@nathanwu668]

Our

[@nathanwu668]

Oi

[@brianb3730]

Well said, David.

[@LinKensingtonArt]

Unity is the only way forward. The media perpetuates this nonsense.

[@dougm3037]

Douglas Murray is a class act.

[@KingPepeLePew]

such a thoughtful and respectful individual, makes me want to be a better person each time i hear him. 😊

[@henryj7264]

douglas is a homosexual aswell

[@natasharostova5186]

i love how Douglas exposes the rotten media. His articles are usually so rightfully sarcastic. It's always a delight to hear and read him.

[@get8bit]

"If you are on a continuous search to be offended, you will always find what you are looking for; even when it isn't there." - Will Kellogg

[@aaronbrown7217]

Exactly I'm bisexual and it would like myself going "modern media is biphobic/homophobic because society is forcing heterosexual narratives down my throat and suppresing my identity." That is complete nonsense of course but you can see how easy it is to spin something into an offense to rally up the crowds.

[@TheOmnipresent12]

@@aaronbrown7217 See I can respect that... as you don't feel the need to cry out to others... 'ooo, look at me, look at me...IM different AND therefore special'. The squeaky wheels of those who more vocally bleat on about their 'identity' just seem to have chronic 'look at me' egos'. I find them *dreadfully* BORING. A bit like that one obnoxious child at a party who not only has raging Asperger's, but ate ALL the *red* colored candy as soon as he (or she) came in while the parents weren't watching.

[@Dancestar1981]

@@aaronbrown7217 it’s as bad as wanting compensation for being black what about my compensation for being bullied all my life

[@Dancestar1981]

@@TheOmnipresent12 those with Aspergers are not obnoxious you just happened to meet one obnoxious individual that happened to have autism

[@get8bit]

@@redfernpixelgnomepitcher1377 I wonder if talent in creating snack foods leads to a talent in stating snack-sized philosophies?

[@dianemilligan7370]

Douglas Murray is an elegant gift to our culture! If only everyone could hear what he is saying.

[@coccinelle5932]

Share his best interviews/lectures everywhere. For instance interviews by Dave Rubin, Gad Saad.

[@Adam-sh1xx]

That’s the thing about herd mentality. If he’s right, the herd won’t get it. Ever. Because they’re a herd. Its a snake eating its tail.

[@bothanjedirogue]

Yeah and this chic is speaking like a true politician. Using this crap to further her own political goals. Remember, politicians use soldiers as cannon fodder to further their own aims- what do they think they will do to you?

[@-elijahriggs-]

@@coccinelle5932 Dave Rubin is a grifter.

[@hayharut]

the cult would much rather nobody listens to what hes saying

[@miriamfernandez393]

Murray, a true highly educated intellectual who actually knows what he's talking about. Unlike his debate opponent.

[@matty6848]

@@mosaicsanctuary3 it’s all about what they perceive as racist or homophobic. It’s irrelevant if it’s really racist or homophobic it’s all just about what they want.

[@jaredstevens5382]

It's unfortunate that he's a reprobate.

[@angelackerman7865]

@@jaredstevens5382 ignorant comment

[@jaredstevens5382]

@@angelackerman7865 what issue am I ignorant on?

[@harrybelcher2239]

What a gentleman. He held back .

[@navazmody8671]

She speaks of respect then keeps talking over him. He is brilliant 😊

[@teejaywould1563]

He's poignant, thoughtful, and respectful in his delivery. She comes across as arrogant, pretentious, dismissive, and petty. She also continually interrupts him. Douglas won this exchange hands down.

[@jamyphill]

lets be honest most of us knew this before we hit play

[@John-rw9bv]

​@@jamyphill Sylvana Simons apparently didn't. Can you imagine the conversation she had with her manager? "what's this? a debate against a british racist white guy? i'm going to murder him." --day of the debate-- "Sylvana, we've got some bad news. Turns out, Douglas... is gay." "..gay?.. no... No.... NOOOO!!!!!!" "We're going to have to scrub your speech of all mentions of him being an incel." "NOOOOOO!" "you're basically... you're going to have to treat him... like an equal."

[@clayreith]

that attitude seems to go hand in hand with this ideology

[@astrovewlix]

That and he gave his talk fluidly while periodically glancing at a book. She had her eyes fixed to a screen reading like it was a teleprompter. Not a fair match IMO.

[@gailwaters814]

Funny how her type always call the open societies of the West racist, but have no problem with the extreme anti-white racism in South Africa (and in the Western media in general). That's because they smolder with anti-white hatred.

[@Openeyesopenheart42]

She is a perfect example of someone who thinks from a perspective of entitlement. Wake up , respect is earned.

[@gg_rider]

Well, sometimes respect is simply granted and assumed. Respect for the Queen. Respect for the President. Respect for Morrissey's opinions on Islam. BASIC respect. Douglas Murray is saying the same thing, listen to people with whom you think you disagree, honestly and generously, not with the spirit is trying to catch them with a hidden meaning. To wit, hidden meaning. I betcha didn't know the following view was a thing. Leftists are re-interpreting Goldilocks to represent a WHITE intruder or colonizer, while the 3 bears represent BLACK PEOPLE ... because if Goldie is obviously White, the Bears must be Black .. Black crime victims perpetrated by a White girl. The bears couldn't just be wild carnivores with fictional human trails.

[@releasethekraken5039]

Douglas' arguments: facts, stated sources, reviewed case studies. Sylvana's arguments: appealing to emotions, personal anecdotes, here and there a little virtue signaling, countless straw man arguments. Yeah i think i know who i'll be rooting for.

[@Shushkin]

Captain crunch?

[@michaellovetere8033]

You forgot the self-induced victim attitude,,,

[@amarortal5140]

They always use the same tactics, praying on emotions because they're more volatile and subconscious than reason and logic, it's an underhanded method of manipulating people without them realizing it....

[@QuinnieMae]

Don’t forget that Douglas is scorched _earth_ hot. You forgot that bit. He’s one of the most beautiful human beings I’ve ever seen.

[@LayerZeroDesign]

I was just coming down here to write this exact observation, and was glad to see so many others make the same distinction. This is why there will never be true unity. One half of the population views the world through a perspective similar to that in the man's arguement (logic, tangible evidence, verifiable facts.. the "I think" types) and the other half from the woman's perspective (appeal to emotion, reliance on anecdote, overly empathetic, more about putting on a "powerful" show then stating anything measurable. The "I feel" to types)

[@karenoakley5764]

Gosh Douglas, you absolutely destroy your opponents every time, and I bloody love it!!

[@davidlamb7524]

He actually went easy on her because he recognised her intellectual deficiency.

[@thulegezelschap5884]

“I’m a female party leader” of a one person party.. that didn’t even get enough votes to start... Tomorrow I will declare my bathroom a country. Next job interview I can call myself a king

[@erinbsullivan444]

Thule Gezelschap Omg! You win the Internet!!!🤣🤣🤣🏆🥇👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@davidverster9523]

Brilliant....she has an inferioty complex....let her run her party in Africa where she belongs...with respect....

[@bearfoot843]

Can I use your throne, sire?

[@artbyjazzjuh8086]

I laughed so hard at this 🤣

[@goldeneddie]

Be afraid. My 6 month old baby is white and therefore a dangerous racist monster who will annex your toilet and seize your ass-ets!

[@PiousMoltar]

"The slow death of free speech" Mate this ain't slow, this is bloody rapid.

[@shirleyhunt3602]

yes it is

[@kevincosgrove948]

The left is hellbound to hyper-protect their fragile / weak emotional state. What they want is complete hyper-control of their environment so as to NO SPEECH exists that triggers their fragile emotions

[@Aislynn775]

Sylvano repeatedly implies that if someone doesn’t agree with her, then they are guilty of oppression. It’s bullying.

[@disf5178]

That is the left's strategy. Total hypocrisy and no respect for fairness or truth. Society would be so much better off if we could just completely ignore them.

[@CognitiveDissident.]

The people who call anyone who has a different point of view, Nazi and Racist, want to know why everyone doesn't want to be curteous and respectful about their latest whim being enforced by law. Woke = I want to control everyone but myself.

[@koalabandit9166]

"I've come up with a new grammar that you need to follow. You now have to use extra pronouns. That's none of your business, though."

[@WorksopGimp]

And a racist

[@thunderstruck1078]

I would destroy her. Diversity? Go back to your own country! Here's diversity for you. Build your own society, if you can. Do whatever you want - IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY!

[@sandro2778]

She just confirms everything wrong about WOKENESS. She is the personification of the word WOKENESS.

[@Martyfartini]

She had the Gaul to say “my emancipation “. From what? There was never any Jim Crow in the Netherlands. She is a “party leader” because of an incredibly tolerant and welcoming country. Emancipated from what?

[@MrGold-lo6vc]

I know right? She's extremely privileged, and has only ever seen oppression written on paper.

[@IndigoDisco]

She's taking the utter piss out of everyone. Talk about brown privilege...

[@hildajensen6263]

And according to what she said next, every white straight man in the Netherlands must be a party leader.

[@Sonnycrockett1989]

Her emancipation, is due to her “dominant character” - says she, as she smiles. What an arrogant and preposterous person.

[@gaple1995]

Gabriel Barrena Rodríguez I found this bit comical because she openly admits that she doesn’t have any idea how she managed to skirt past all of the oppression she was supposed to experience. Maybe it’s because you live in a modern tolerant society that doesn’t view your entire identity through the lens of your exterior? Would be much too sensible for her.

[@tetraquark2402]

She was never a slave how can she talk about her emancipation. She's actually being racist every time she say's "certain people"

[@metalvideos1961]

ofc she is racist. she hates white people. but she is playing the "i am black so i cant be racist card". and thats why she says this shit. she is anti white. she is literally the biggest racist in the netherlands. yet she claims that she is not. she hates everything about the netheralnds. yet she lives here. she is literally making a problem over literally nothing. but because of her alot of people think that the white dutchmans are racist.

[@KrissowskiM]

Metal Videos what are you waiting for? Deport her!

[@staninjapan07]

She is playing 'identity politics.' As she is black she must have suffered all the bad things that any/all black people have at any point in time anywhere on the planet. It is no more reasonable than if I were to say I am oppressed as a white man because many white men were treated worse than animals in WW2 by, for example, the Japanese. I bet that Chinese people do not run around claiming to have been treated so badly because they are related to the Chinese were also treated worse than animals should be by the Japanese in WW2. There is no point to be made, therefore there is nothing to understand. It is merely a political agenda to have all people too afraid to say anything whatsoever. Read Orwell.

[@ariari4133]

Het is een narcistisch iets

[@cyberhawk80]

@@metalvideos1961 nah.. she is fucking rich white dudes.. ow wait she loves money.. not the dudes.. whats new..

[@ceecee6679]

The look on Sylvana's face while Douglas is speaking tells you everything you need to know.

[@genericnamehere7602]

It screams "I'm better than you." She's extremely smug.

[@peterdalziel4404]

Yep, pure bile and loathing.

[@bennym5244]

I noticed from the second Douglas started speaking she was looking out at the audience and not listening to douglas. So I knew she was just going to preach and screech her prepared narrative.

[@perarheim1255]

I watch that face and I'm confident she'll have nothing to teach me. I'd love some spirited opposition to Douglas' perspective, but she's not it and life's too short to spend on sour pretentious women stuck in ossified puberty revolt.

[@cklatte]

She's a politician. And a "victim" blah blah blah blah blah 😑

[@JHank-yb4jv]

She’s extremely arrogant. I don’t see the “dominant character” of her self-compliment. And she just regurgitates every grad school social science curriculum talking point.

[@hairyscotman]

she is arrogant because she has been pushed to the front by ignorant liberals that think they are infinitely better for pushing those of certain hues along in life....regardless of their thoughts, abilities to reason or being able to articulate anything....that is the ignorance of the liberal....they are ignorant people that have convinced only themselves that they are brilliant.....

[@E.OrthodoxMHNIN]

‘Dominant character’ is pretty easy when you’re ‘diverse’ in a society that worships a false god such as ‘diversity’. Notice how she not living in whatever shithole her parent or grandparent came from with that supposed ‘dominant character’. Human garbage.

[@hubristicmystic]

Why do these fascists like her always substitute the word “truth” for the word “opinion”.

[@hubristicmystic]

@rross27 awesome, well written 👏 it’s like in 1984 when Orwell’s character is tortured until he not only says 2+2=5 but also believes it when he says it. I can see the west spiralling into a conflict just as in Western and Central Europe in the 1930’s because of foul communists/fascists like her. I heard a quote, ostensibly from Adolf himself; “control the fear and you control the masses”. And “respect” is not automatically owed to anyone as this ignorant woman so arrogantly puts forward. Courtesy is all you can expect, respect is earned. She does not have my respect.

[@oliveoil7642]

@rross27 you just described CNN ... not interested in truth or resolving issues just agitation and or humiliation

[@midlandernc7403]

Douglas is so kind. He's trying so hard not to laugh at her gobbledygook

[@kidzbop38isstraightfire92]

Commie gobbledygook at that 😂 (Norm McDonald reference)

[@josedorsaith5261]

He did a good job not to laugh at her awful attempt at sounding posh. I've rarely heard somebody use "one" so often....

[@peterkeijsers489]

In her defense: English is not her native language. Other than that: agreed.

[@WhatsCookingTime]

But he should have laughed at them showing the audience the other ridiculousness

[@sasakurtovic6850]

She keeps talking of respect as something that should be afforded to everyone across the field. NO. Courtesy for everyone, respect for those who DESERVE it. You earn respect, not demand it.

[@jdog2302]

It's why she's not well respected. She should have said "tolerate" instead but she's a very privileged women who tries to force her ideals onto others instead of having an actual conversation. The entire time her body language was hostile, his wasn't. She did have some fair points, but a lot of it was just pointing fingers instead of taking into consideration what he was saying. If anyone deserves respect on that stage it was him and the moderator, not her.

[@EvilMonkey7818]

Courtesy as Douglas mentioned makes no demands and doesn't alienate. Respect as she made sure to signify is different. The default of respect has a demand of how to think placed on the other party. The difference really encapsulates their differing worldviews. His of unobtrusive liberalism, hers of illiberal force.

[@christopherdesbaux5950]

Submission: The action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person. Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. I think she conflates the two.

[@TheOmnipresent12]

@@christopherdesbaux5950 That's good. Well said monsieur!

[@Houd_Vast]

Courtesy is showing someone respect. Respect is a broader term, and there are degrees.

[@secretsantaification]

Courtesy is given freely... Respect is earned.

[@phillipdavies6548]

The only person who made any reference to any ethnic group in a racist manner was this woman. She attacked white men and made general accusations against white men as a group in the most indefensible racist way possible. Unsurprisingly, the total silence this engendered in response from the host and Mr Murray was a classic example of the silencing of any criticism of a priveliged black, female, leftist. It is increasingly obvious that any ethnic, trans, LGBT, or "person of colour" can and does say anything they want to without fear of retribution. A privilege they use to it's fullest to shut down any opposing view instantly.

[@GuillenTraverso]

Yep, I think that is called showing respect. 😉

[@freethinker12345]

This is why I hate loud woke minorities (stupid people will react, I am saying WOKE, not all!). So every woke blacks, woke trans, woke whites, woke asians, woke hispanics etc! Every one and every thing woke is stupid and evil!

[@fantared5263]

The BLM and LGBQT+ crowds are a protected species that were never in danger of becoming extinct.

[@Soc1alBK]

@@GuillenTraverso nope and she deserved zero respect.

[@corinalierop1011]

Sylvana, donkey's years ago you threatened the Dutch saying you'd leave this flat country and move to another one. Why aren't you finally doing so as all of the Dutch have had enough of you and your loud mouth!!!

[@mrjekyllandhyde9941]

Jordan Peterson - "if you discuss anything worth talking about you are going to offend someone"

[@TinaFivesten]

The big lie here is the word: offended No one is offended, but they know how to use that made-up PC-word.

[@robertcroft8241]

Now That would be a discussion ! This person and J P .

[@DaddyBaggio]

JP would wipe the floor with her. DM is great, but a little more political than JP, who is scientific, which wins everytime... I.e. it's not his opinion, it's a fact.. the data is in lol.

[@newbooksmell4163]

@@TinaFivesten eh, I think it's a real phenomena, but it's generally the fault of the person offended than the person offending, even though it seems a little cruel. If you "trigger" someone's phobia in some way for example, unknowingly it's not your fault for their reaction. It's their own inefficiencies that resulted in their own reaction. I've been depressed and experienced episodes of anger towards those who make light of suicide. But at a point you have to grow up and get over it (Not easy, which is why the left just wants to stop the talking); not force everyone to stop talking about contoversal topics.

[@TinaFivesten]

@@newbooksmell4163 I know what you mean, but if you think about it: people have, generally, always been careful not to 'offend' with for example jokes about cancer or rape. One would think the moral would be higher now when the dictation of what is allowed to say is so extreme, but it has nothing to do with good moral, the PC words is one of the dictatorial methods to rule by fear!

[@stevenvelazquez2841]

I'm offended therefore you must change to my likings... What kind of F'ing narcissistic logic is that?

[@OnlineHipHopTV]

You nailed it because that is exactly what she is.

[@claytonkeates2614]

Spot on. He's basically saying (and I agree) "I love and respect language far too much to let you force me to badtardize it. Just so you feel better."

[@scottwhat3362]

They never admit that that's always a one-way street. She would never change to be respectful to a European custom.

[@terryreknaw6152]

That's what Fascists do

[@kyle-mt7it]

Her smiling when he makes his argument is so scary and evil

[@ducko1988]

This woman has lost her mind. The woke PC club are insufferable

[@BlacksmithTWD]

Woke is the past tense of wake.

[@gloriouspopemantom373]

She gets paid, she gets to push people around, life is wonderful.

[@joannasuccess]

Her whole body language is that of one that is full of unseen rage! This woman needs a therapist.

[@bigcheese6212]

She's a professional victim, during the debate she asked " Why do we need your permission to be who we want to be " . My reply would have been " Why do I need your permission to think what I want to think".

[@RavenRuled]

Good point. The general problem with people like her is they feel things that offensive should be changed but only the things she or certain people find offensive. This has been the main problem the last 25 years or so. The point on small lies makes sense too. We keep lying for years politely and now have a big problem we can't deal with.

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

Exactly

[@mosaicsanctuary3]

My thoughts exactly. Total hypocrisy!

[@Semicon07]

That is what this is all about @big cheese. You can be as polite and respectful as a saint, they want to control what you think. This is all about control. For example, have you ever used he or she when directly addressing that person? I haven't - I only use he or she when I am speaking about another person, usually when they are not even there. But to them, they are offended.....fuck right off.

[@CELTICSAVAGE32]

Bingo

[@chrisfleischman3371]

He: “Courtesy is important.” She: discourteously interrupting him at at every turn, “Give me respect”

[@xzafir515]

Expecting respect without showing it is respect not earned

[@silverfox6883]

Respect can only be earned, never demanded ...

[@Jojovanda]

And that is the huge difference of meaning, between the two words. She illustrated it perfectly as you say - with her poor show of courtesy extended to Murray, whilst she argues the merits of respect being a basic human right.

[@clemalford9768]

Mega black chip on her shoulder. She hates white people. She has a big ego. The Angela Davis hair do gives her away.

[@douglashanson7489]

Haha, I also noticed that and commented it! It's so hilariously hypocritical.

[@allahspreadshate6486]

Imagine having a life so easy you have to invent problems. That's privilege.

[@philk9717]

@Mark Jones If you can get your spoon in the victim gravy. My quote of the month.

[@philk9717]

This comment and the reply, absolute Gold.

[@raeannaroylance5401]

🏆winning comment courtesy SO different from respect! Wow! We are really splitting hairs and dancing on heads of pins and walking on egg shells-because we have nothing more pressing to do like surviving childbirth and the winter and famine🙄🤦‍♀️

[@softlycrumblingcastle1820]

Obviously, these people have special privileges and men lack rights as always. It is an inconvenient to which their radical social constructivism and postmodernism keep giving. They end up making worse the actual problem. And of course they won't refute any arguments, and be full of fallacies. There was a time priests silenced philosophers, now see what happens to scientists: "Shut up and listen," they say, everything a priori and without a point to make. The woke woman in the video got jealous she couldn't silence a free thinker, at the end. It just makes me laugh.

[@deanmorgan7011]

@Mark Jones spot on

[@maggiekapita]

Thank you for standing up for us. We need to stop labelling and judging. Finding the solution continues 🎉

[@stephwalsh9158]

You can't "make" someone respect someone they don't respect. He was right in saying, show courtesy.

[@bennettfrazier1742]

Yes, courtesy is given, but respect is earned. At least, that is how I've always viewed it.

[@gracieallan4124]

Absolutely! I can treat someone who is pro-life or pro-choice (whichever is the opposite of my position) with courtesy. That doesn’t mean I respect their position. I do not.

[@cyber_kitten]

Especially you can’t respect someone who, like Sam Smith, says today I’m non binary but I don’t know what it is…

[@sydyidanton5873]

​@@cyber_kitten I agree with you 100%. The Sam Smith issue appears to be a poor attempt at marketing HIMSELF to a broader demographic, a feeble attempt at being contemporarily relevant. That is certainly how it appears with his candid ignorance on the subject. Where does one draw the line, are we to also acknowledge those who now identify as trees? An extreme example perhaps but in the current political climate who could know. It seems quite peculiar to publicly claim identity with a group of people while having no concept of their ideology. That could be dangerous with some groups.

[@jayframes4967]

@@sydyidanton5873 seems like an escape from reality 🤔

[@Grasshoppa65]

How confusing would it get if we let everyone choose their own pronouns? Humans are getting more and more ridiculous every day.

[@TBrandt027]

Yes, I would like to choose my title myself and the adjectives that describe my person. If you disagree, or express concern, you are somewhat phobic and I demand that you lose your job and your life be destroyed. So for you I am the Grand Master and my chosen adjectives are pleasant, stimulating, appealing, breathtaking, attractive, attentive and exciting. Please rotate the adjectives evenly in my chosen title.

[@user-cx2hq8og6i]

Think about in a classroom if a kid changed his pronoun every 5 minutes...which they ARE doing. And teachers could get fired for not "respecting" their chosen pronoun. This, like every other leftist idea, is a colossal nightmare and disaster

[@AIenSmithee]

I would like you to respect my religion. The first letter of the xlphxbet is sxcred so we replxce it with the letter “x”. If the bbc publish xn xrticle xbout me I will be furious if they use the sxcred letter. If people xre confused, I must xsk why do I need their xpproval.

[@larrypass6720]

@@AIenSmithee So, you should call yourself XlenSmithee :-)

[@topacybits3576]

@@TBrandt027 me and my mates identify as attack choppers. Have any problems with that? Chopperphobic!! Facist!!!!!!!!

[@kevkongable]

An intellectual genius debating a woman with the mindset of a silly teenager

[@fonzdevries4575]

The sad part is that the same shhh has been coming out of her mouth for over 30 years Funny how the people that demand respect never give any

[@nahamin160]

If they rhetoric is effective, we need a herox that can counter.

[@ritchardthomas10]

See a pattern?

[@stijnvdv2]

I'm Dutch, and nobody here in the Netherlands likes her; she pretends to be an awful lot but her communist party (at rallies she holds, you see people turning up with red flags, hammer/sickle symbols and all the rest of it) only got a few seats in the local government of our capital Amsterdam which is just like any metropolitan city in the west pretty progressive. (with all the mismanagement that comes with it I might add) and she only recently with her party got 1 seat in the national government. No doubt because of the polarization of our country and people getting fed up with the corruption and incompetence of the leading politicians/parties. She took on this radical view after she was ousted from the TV-world-celebrities for being incompetent at being a tv-host as nobody wanted to watch any programs that she presented. When people ridiculed her on social media for her statements after she just gone into politics, she went totally bonkers, could be found daily at the police station trying to get everyone arrested for making satirical jokes on social media and claim it was 'racism', coz it's the 2020's and humor is dead, hence why comedians aren't really a thing today as much as they used to. Oh and by the way; that's not her real hair, she wears wigs as that is apparently a thing in the black community for some reason. (hence her clownish appearance). And the glasses are fake too, she has no prescription but she thinks it makes her look 'more intellectual'.

[@alexspareonetoo8755]

A silly teena^er with a Hair Bear haircut and red trousers!

[@onetomscott]

Respect is earned by showing character

[@bramj1130]

The sad thing is, in Simon's narcisistic mind, she won this debate and put him in his place. Take it from a Dutchman, she may have some support in Amsterdam, the rest of us can't stand her

[@remc0s]

Remember she had that political party consisting of herself and a handful of self-hating white people? Such losers.

[@vanman757]

🙏🏻✌🏻👍🏻😆

[@dherman0001]

I've lived all over the world mate. Several places in Europe. Reasonable, kind, tolerant, curious, wise and welcoming people live in the countryside almost exclusively whereever I've lived, including the Middle East, Africa and Central America. It's always been the cities that you see the worst behavior of people. City culture is a product of the left. I've said nothing that any cogent person doesn't know.

[@mickyvionsellinas6743]

She s a vile , Narcissistic sociopath .... with no intellectual integrity , and quite an overt hatred of whites ; going on what I saw her ssay and get up to whe I lived in Leyden ..... Cool she AINT!

[@indoorgangster]

ook in amsterdam weinig, hoor. goddank.

[@FiremarshalM1]

"In order to think I must risk being offensive." Jordan B. Peterson

[@davidjohnbonnett]

He's got some awesome quotes, my favourite is, "No damned way."

[@benjaminralow1176]

It isn't obvious to me

[@big4330]

lobsters

[@FiremarshalM1]

@@geospatial-KML your information doesn't detract from my point. Tell m why it's relevant?

[@FiremarshalM1]

"Well you could say (......steel man opposition's point...) and fair enough . But then you'd have to (completely decimates the steel man point.) And that's the thing. That's the bloody thing."

[@bienle8275]

Douglas hit it on the mark when he said that in a conversation, they are only look for an angle to be offended so they can shut down the other person.

[@bigniftydude]

Women have been doing that to me since 91'

[@Aliandrin]

Shut down the other person how? With *their* words? It's as she said, the other person has free speech too. If you don't like what they're going to say, then don't say things they won't like.

[@hArtyTruffle]

@@Aliandrin “dont say things they don’t like”?… that won’t make for a good discussion. That literally IS shutting others opinions and beliefs down. I want to hear what EVERYONE has to say, whether I like it or not. The only time I would shut someone down, would be a time when they become abusive.

[@Aliandrin]

@@hArtyTruffle I can't believe you don't see that racism is abusive. But either way, you don't want to hear certain things and you're shocked that this is true of the other party too.

[@hArtyTruffle]

@@Aliandrin ofcourse I see actual racism as abusive… what makes you think I don’t?

[@HansLaros]

Apologies for Sylvana, even if she was rather civil during this discussion. Signed, 98% of the Dutch people.

[@Andybaby]

And yet there's not a single country in Africa she wants to live in.

[@SCOTTSTALLARDBERMUDA]

She doesn't seem to appreciate the culture in which she finds herself. She talks of respect but interrupts him right after shaking her head and squirming!!

[@happygilmore1844]

LMFAOOO!!!! EXACTLY MY POINT

[@KibyNykraft]

Ok but that should not limit her right to voice her worries

[@matthewwhiteside9991]

Isn't she Dutch?!

[@JNYC-gb1pp]

@Brad Sanchez Even the Japanese would have an airplane ready to take her back before she ended her sentence - yet white countries kowtow to this garbage.

[@james-r]

Sylvana is a political careerist for the woke army, because she knows she’ll have an immediate fanbase

[@cks8082]

Its a good business and good for your career, just look at celebrities hoping on all this BS.

[@flaminghulaballoo]

And trouble getting a real job in the real world, where people are not agreeing to this passive-aggressive, word-mincing, fascistic BS.

[@astrosci8864]

...until time runs out for "wokeness", which can be any time, really.

[@debeste7401]

Another attractive woman, making her race a weapon to be used, to feel powerfull.

[@astrosci8864]

@Suicide Booth Too many of those can kill a society.

[@Vix2066]

Why is Mr Murray even bothering to debate this women? There's no arguing with these people. They're so blind they can't even understand anyone else's perspective.

[@Theroadlesstaken]

I agree it seems futile to debate with these kind of ideologues. It’s frustrating to watch & disturbing to think that they put this nonsense out there as facts. However, that’s why it needs to be combated through debates. Douglas wont be able to convince her, but maybe someone out there will see this & it’ll give them pause for thought, to question their ideas & possibly might help them see this madness for what it is. It’s not her mentality he’s trying to change, it’s the wider public who need to seriously think about this.

[@harryhalfmoon]

@@Theroadlesstaken Exactly. Expose it and make people see it for what it is. It seems like a waste of resources, but I'm afraid there aren't many worthwhile alternatives.

[@diane4488]

Totally agree!

[@eeriened3525]

“ On todays show, 4 year old Bobby Johnson is convinced he is a dinosaur, and gets upset when adults don’t believe him. He says he only wants to “chew the heads off things”, doesn’t want to go to bed on time. and roars instead of talking. Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson share the debate stage with Bobby on “ Prehistoric Perspectives.” 🙄

[@chrisg1234fly]

its like a turkey shoot on speed.

[@stephaniesmith7317]

This needs to continue... with additional panel members from additional countries. Knowledge breeds understanding. You are not required to agree to understand. Both guests had thought provoking statements & rebuttals. My knowledge was boosted in >30min. Good job!

[@joshjohnson2600]

Woke = Your mind being so open that your brain falls out

[@JacksonHighlander]

Seriously. "If you tell me that what I do is offensive, tell me what I can do so I don't offend you. Thats what I'll do." What if what their offended by is unreasonable? What if its really dumb? How about I'll think about it, before I do anything. What if I'm playing plastic wardollies 40k and I'm enslaving someone's models. What? You gonna tell me thats wrong cause you don't like it? Well boohoo I stole his dollies.

[@joshjohnson2600]

@@JacksonHighlander - This comment offends me. You've been reported. Enjoy the Gulag.

[@joshjohnson2600]

@@JacksonHighlander - No, but seriously. These people are begging to get destroyed.

[@joshjohnson2600]

@Alex M - Being offended over little things when I was a child would brand you as a knob gobbler. Times have changed... I'm only 29.

[@neilrollason]

Common decency is given freely, respect is earnt. Probably the main root of disagreement with her.

[@brucetrueasblue]

I'm always gonna side with the free speech advocate, which is Douglas in this conversation. People are sick of walking on eggshells for fear their views are gonna offend someone. That is why Trump's people love him so much.

[@kennybeans6115]

That’s why many are seeing political “correctness” exactly for what it is; a partisan political weapon for control and power. Political “correctness” has nothing to do with “tolerance” or “limiting dangerous/ hateful rhetoric” and has everything to do with combatting political opposition and strengthening partisan narratives and its means. Trump was permanently banned simply for advocating election integrity, yet meanwhile Louis Farrakhan, BLM and al-Qaeda just to name a few can promote *actual* hate speech, racism, misinformation, violence and terrorism because Big Tech conveniently deems these groups politically “correct”, which tbf is accurate given the upside-down insanity that is our current climate. And not only will the “impartial” DNC-funding Big Tech not enforce its TOS consistently or even justly, but will adamantly censor and ban anyone that retweets their horrible rhetoric because it further exposes Big Tech’s partisanship, culpability and blatant corruption. But remember, these are the same corrupt institutions that constantly self anoint themselves as the “arbiters of democracy.” What a farce! The more the establishment tries to silence and slander Trump, the more they give him vindication and conviction! Now, *that* is poetic justice! 🇺🇸 _TrumpGang_

[@joeclaridy]

You're right. Being offended is not the same as being threatened or at least it didn't used to be in a society with free speech.

[@wigglethemiddle1]

But do you realize there was a single event in the Netherlands and her “personal experience” demonstrate that this isn’t really happening?

[@Steve-K.G.]

@@joeclaridy Just beacsue you're offended, doesn't mean something is offensive. Some people seem not to be able to understand that.

[@anawilson8740]

I agree with your statement, there needs to be more tolerance for conversations that offend. Trump took everything too far.. I argue he’s the catalyst for wokeness.

[@gnagyusa]

"I'm offended" is not an argument. It's a coward's way to run away from an argument and a tyrant's way to shut up people who disagree with him.

[@ShoshiPlatypus]

They have effectively clamped down on our ability to discuss or argue anything these days. “I’m offended” is not a reasonable response to anything. The blame can largely be laid at the door of modern so-called “education.” The universities are hotbeds of leftist wokism when they are supposed to be a forum for open discussion of different views so that students can hear all sides of an argument and come to their own conclusion after considering all the facts. They are not taught to think critically so they are quite unable to discuss anything in a reasonable manner. This is the attitude of the kindergarten, where a child is hurt or offended by another child and responds by saying “I hate you!” and runs off to complain to mummy. The problem begins really early on in school, propagated by teachers who are themselves the result of educational reforms that came in after WW2, when it was considered better to let children express themselves and do their own thing rather than being taught facts. Children and young adults don’t know any facts these days so they have no solid foundation on which to build opinions. The fact that history is no longer taught properly in schools has given rise to this whole bonkers situation where historical national heroes are labelled as racist or slave owners, and statues are destroyed. In the old days, children and young people were taught how to think. Then they were taught what to think. Now they are taught not to think. It is a terrifying thought that these young ignoramuses are going to be in positions of real power one day, leading the country in the fields of politics, finance, education, science and the rest. Unless there is a radical turn-around in the way we educate our young, I see no hope for Western society. These stupid people have flushed it down the toilet along with their stinking sh*t.

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

I’m offended

[@theallofist5461]

''I'm offended'' if what you do when you get older and tears stop working...

[@omahhumvajragurupadmasiddhihum]

"Man comes out in not very homophobic society and nobody cares." 😂😂😂😂

[@brianzen1414]

Respect is earned, not demanded, she has it wrong

[@steveclarke543]

Those that demand it won't get it..

[@funincluded]

Someone else’s need to have their nonsense respected isn’t my problem

[@watcherwlc53]

depends on what level of respect is referred to. For any civil society, everyone should show everyone a basic level of courtesy also known as respect. At a bare minimum avoid blatant disrespect! To attain elevated status or admiration, also known as respect, one must do something worthy... the concept of "earned" respect fits there.

[@aaronwalterryse4281]

@@watcherwlc53 Sir, that's the most complete concise and accurate breakdown of the little "respect" kerfuffle and confusion that I've seen yet.

[@Eclispestar]

I totally agree. I can show you a courtesy that's easy. If you work in customer service you do it every day. Jerk customer, you still smile and get the exchange done. But you don't need to respect that person. If many parts of a comunity are disproportionately commiting violence than we need to address that. And more over respect is something between known individuals.

[@nathanryan34]

Japanese worker: I'm Gay Other Japanese workers: And this has what to do with work?

[@Explorshon123]

I lived in Japan for 8 years and not once did I see any obvious same sex couples walking together. I spent a lot of time working and playing in the city of Osaka, a huge city of 20 milllion. That tells me it is far more hidden than in Australia. Yes you have lots of gay people on tv but that is a very different world to every day society.

[@petrofski88]

​@@Explorshon123 I live in Copenhagen which is a rather "open minded" city as far as I know, and I do not recall observing same sex couples walking together... ever, but that could be for a variety of very obvious and simple reasons: lots of people walk together as friends do, and do not give hands or an arm around, so how would you distinguish friends from couples? Also, same sex couples are in a rather small number comparing to everyone else, so chances get slimmer. And finally, it doesn't matter, people don't care... it's not like "in the ideal world, a street of people walking should look like such and such, and have a distribution of yadayadayada". If I see someone on the street... I don't care who they are, or where they come from, what they had for breakfast, or what they chose to do the night before.... I simply walk by and move along. On sunny days I may give them a smile just because it may make their day better, but whomever they are... I still don't care. So the only thing I believe you can observe or not, and is the only thing that matters, is the stories you hear, or if encounter a situation where someone clearly acted homophobic. Sorry for the long reply, just sharing my thoughts :) cheers!

[@ekimaulthar2044]

it means he'll be the most tastefully dressed man in the whole office

[@petrofski88]

@Mrs. Edna Welthorpe sorry to hear that :/ it can certainly be that I'm wrong, but from the people I know (mainly PT and DK)... I feel most people are nice at least to the extent of consciously respecting one another. In other words I don't know personally anyone I could really think of as "what a horrible person". Some will be more rude or emotionally clumsy or brute than others, others will have very different political mindsets and various cultural influences... but raw mal-intent... or a sense of actual superiority... I feel it's only something found in a minority of people who most likely have underlying psychological issues.

[@bsc4344]

Nathan Ryan know what my employer, a municipal gov one, that will remain nameless, will be doing in the near future? Having us employees "participate " in open group public support of one of these woke and favoured and pandered and hyper protected groups. Whether it be a union funded picnic in public or wearing colored arm bands for a week or a combination of forced activities. It will be recorded and have consequences if I DON'T participate willingly. Interesting use of words there, "willingly". Im not allowed to even argue my case why I dont want to be forced into a costume that favours ONLY ONE SPECIFIC trend group that I dont belong to. I could lose my job if I dont. We already went thru "sensitivity training" that had several examples of what discrimination is and how it isnt in our interests to cause it, firing or legal ramifications could follow . One example was "not offering an individual to join your group to go to a restaurant " for lunch, or not including someone in a group conversation. Then the other manners based examples like insulting or shunning someone else, cruelty of that sort. I have some decisions to make about holding to my personal beliefs, personal integrity, and personal actions coming up this yesr. And no, if ALL PEOPLE are not going to be respected, publicly and EQUALLY "celebrated and supported" in one full encompassing act, instead "certain specific trending groups only" having my union dollars and tax dollars being spent on materials and activities I am forced to participate in, then I want none of it, and want to go to an employer that doesnt behave in such pandering ridiculous ways. I will try not to let the years of service I put in and now accounting for nothing now, get me down

[@rgs6236]

She the black women definitely does not speak for me. She is patronising to the hilt...

[@yengsabio5315]

Well, this woman should only be representing herself! She has no right to claim that she represents others simply because of similarity in color & other "identity" factors ad infinitum! How dare she!

[@ouruhuru]

You wrote that comment so I didn't have to. I was literally typing that very thing. Verbatim.

[@Arendvdvenk]

She is the biggest racist in the Netherlands, shes looking to get the shitshow internationally it seems

[@moribundmurdoch]

Why are you inbringing her ascribed identity into her arguments dude? I'm not a fan of identity politics and you happen to be playing the same game she's playing.

[@GM-mu8uy]

@@Arendvdvenk I am from Netherlands. Indeed she is THE BIGGEST RACIST spreading division.

[@SurprisedBuffalo-cj5iu]

I can't go a day without listening to Douglas Murray

[@paulatling8844]

He listened she didn't,, he is sincere she isn't.

[@alibrowne6374]

He did listen. She just shook her head.

[@paulatling8844]

@@alibrowne6374 yes he always does, he treats interviewers with respect even if they don't deserve it, probably from all.the years in his practice .

[@watchmanman7268]

Thats a summary of a very long list

[@paulatling8844]

@@watchmanman7268 straight and to the point?

[@jobloggs7400]

She opens her mouth and proves Douglas Murray’s point. She also assigns power to words … only the words that she doesn’t like! it’s so dangerous and subversive. She’s clearly racist and very bitter herself. Ironically. Love how the audience gives her such an unenthusiastic clap! 😂 Douglas is brilliant as usual.

[@xstoofpeer]

Words have power. Talking about race isn't racism.

[@patrickmartin7692]

Have you ever met an "activist" like her that isn't racist and bitter? The only time I see them smile is when someone they don't like gets tarred and feathered and loses their job. Or when they're yelling gibberish at the sky.

[@woowah32]

Yep, she’s clearly got a huge chip on her shoulder.

[@joserafaelzepeda-garza9971]

Just Resentment from a very bitter black woman 😊

[@MrJonnydelta]

I am severely disabled and live in the Netherlands, Sylvana Simons does the following: fights sexism with sexism. fights racism with racism. fights intolerance with intolerance. fights hate with hate.

[@uomociambella]

that is Repressive Tolerance concept by Marcuse, and it's obviously not working

[@olafbooij6849]

Juist gesproken

[@scottheshot1]

Fighting fire with fire but you're trying to eliminate fire? I understand putting the fire out, With an explosion that removes the air that would fuel the fire, But does anyone think they're not just making a bigger fire? Reminds me of mars attacks ,"we come in peace "as they shoot people.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

thats the left, in order to know what the enemy are thinking you have to actually get into the mind set of the enemy, then as a result you end up using the same tactics of the enemy in the extreme form. this is what martin luther king warned about 'reverse racism' but many people prefer not to remember that particular speech in full, mainly because they are being tactically minded and realise it could if their tactics are applied back over the other side of things be weaponised. the left have locked themselves into a game of tic tac toe (watch the film from 1983 called wargames to understand why thats bad)

[@crabmannyjoe2]

Or justifies her sexism, racism, etc. by constructing imaginary foes.

[@AuditorInvestor]

I don't need to care about this woman's issues, or be imposed upon. Respect that first.

[@hollyruston2444]

She's talking a lot of crap. Everybody should expect courtesy, respect however is earned. Respect is not an automatic right.

[@JNYC-gb1pp]

She's essentially saying "i'm in your country BY FORCE, AGAINST YOUR WILL and you WILL be forced legally to respect whatever garbage i spout and you will change your whole culture to include me - even though my people would never extend this courtesy to you.

[@Mr._Moderate]

@Holly Ruston - what is YOUR definition of respect? There's a thin line between courtesy and respect. Where do you draw your line? Should anybody be allowed to say anything at any time to anybody? 🤔

[@Mr._Moderate]

@@JNYC-gb1pp for the record, being specific as possible, who is her people? 🤔

[@hollyruston2444]

@@Mr._Moderate Courtesy is displaying good manners, something that I am displaying with this response to your comment. I am not suggesting for one second that I respect your comment.

[@Mr._Moderate]

@@hollyruston2444 I still don't understand your definition of respect because I would argue that you don't 'like' my comment. So are you saying that respect=likeability? 🤔

[@cklatte]

She rants on about respect, yet this Swamp politician was disrespectful to him during his speech.

[@Vdhm91]

I hate how she completely misunderstands the difference between respect and courtesy.. Courtesy is a tacit behaviour towards one another as/in a society that helps us function peacefully and productively. Respect is earned.

[@gamiezion]

as a swamp dweller, we are gladly rid of her and her delisions

[@Del-Canada]

People; "Race isn't real! It's a social construct!" Same people; *Everything is about race*

[@abruhigoham7472]

Well to be fair ur just dumb i guess, they would obviously mean that because of the “social concept” of race has made so many people so racist, that racism has bleed into all parts of society. Therefore if we ignored the concept of race then we would all get along. The problem is, its not the color of your skin that makes you different, but obviously the differences in peoples culture that separate them from each other.

[@Marmocet]

Even if race were "just" a social construct, well, you know what else is "just" a social construct? Money. So if they're saying things that are "just" social constructs have no meaning or value, I'm sure they'll be happy to give all their money away. Strangely though, their SocJus grievance narrative peddling looks an awful lot like a self-serving grift aimed at securing jobs and money for themselves.

[@abruhigoham7472]

@@Marmocet laws are also social constructs. Try using the legal defense of “well laws are just social constructs” to beat a murder charge.

[@Marmocet]

@@abruhigoham7472 Look at you, using words. Words are just social constructs!

[@abruhigoham7472]

@@Marmocet the idea of a social construct is just a social construct

[@susannasulo3011]

Her arrogance and do as I say attitude is astounding 😂😂😂😂

[@henk5928]

So many lies and half truths. In The Netherlands we don't take her seriously. She is considered a radical left-wing lunatic. Even the left laughs at her.

[@Tiamat013]

Truth

[@robsteries]

Verschrikkelijk ras-uiteensplittend mens. Ik denk dat ze verliefd is op Obama.

[@Tiamat013]

@@robsteries klopt. Wat zij doet heet identiteits politiek, erg gevaarlijk maar vooral erg ontwetend en dom.

[@robsteries]

@@Tiamat013 Wat ik me afvroeg, wat is dat met haar en het 'wiskunde gedoe'? Ik ben Vlaming, dus ik ben niet helemaal op de hoogte van jullie politiek debat.

[@Tiamat013]

@@robsteries simpele versie... ze doet alleen maar aan virtue signaling en van heel dat wiskunde heeft die trut geen enkel benul. Het is een ouderwetse oppertunist...

[@randomlady6899]

When a woman who has never been chained refers to her emancipation, it is a mockery of her enslaved ancestors who really were chained and fought for emancipation

[@JRobbySh]

How is it that the great stress on slavery is on the existence of slavery in the White empires and none almost in the colored Empires? The United States went to war with the Barbary Pirates because captured American sailors were being not being simply impressed into their service but actually enslaved. I cannot recall ever reading in an American book on this war any real stress on the fact that since Galleys were still the usual ship in that Sea, that the rowers were convicts in the case of European ships but slaves in the case of Muslim ships. The Ottoman Empire was based on slavery,pretty much as the Roman Empire had been, and pretty much because industrialization never come to that Great Power until the 19th century, it relied on slaves, both Christians and African, for much of its labor force. There was a huge class of eunuchs, house hold slaves, which explains why there are relatively few blacks in the Middle East.

[@haroldpearson6025]

White British had to fight to stop children climbing up the inside chimneys, woman and children working in coal mines, votes for woman and Britains fight to end the slave trade whilst in Africa it continues to this day.

[@aprilrawls5162]

Absolutely!

[@onthesearch]

Very true.

[@eduardspanjer7043]

Yes. And this (....) is a hypocrite, a hypocrite when it's good for her. Don't have any moral, integrity and is a fake nasty (....) Talk with you but behind your back she make up dirty lies. The Dutch don't like her because of that. And she never will tell that part that have a Dutch tradition and knowing the history. SHE, is the one that is always discriminating and provoking. Dirty hypocrite.

[@superkruger]

Sylvana debating Douglas is like a toddler wrestling a giant.

[@ariari4133]

Stop met dat woord debatteren,dat wijf zal wil en moet gelijk hebben,narcistisch racistisch,ja wat eigenlijk .oh Hans Teeuwen zegt het net .vergassen

[@omartinoco9930]

Debater from Oxford and Philosopher raised in England vs. a woke feminist.

[@SD-ko4tz]

Omar Tinoco. I also call myself a feminist. By that I mean the same rights and obligations and the right to make your own choices. Not that a woman is better than a man or that a woman is a victim. It is a pity that the term is being misused by the Stlvanas of this world.

[@domsjuk]

Honestly, I don't know what she is up to besides this debate, I had never heard from her before, but she seems pretty capable of phrasing sound arguments. As it happens I don't agree with her and I could point out her mistakes, but I didn't really get the impression her logic was torn apart by Murray at all, her core points/mistakes were in fact - due to time I assume - mostly unadressed (e.g. why someone's arbitrary decision should be respected, why being offended would provide you with any moral righteousness/authority whatsoever, why she thinks her political strategy is the right one given the current political sentiment in large parts of society etc.), seems haughty to dismiss her in that way, however you feel about her.

[@skilso]

superkruger reminds me of a comment about a barrister by the head of chambers “ sending him to do a case in the county court Is like using a scalpel to cut linoleum”

[@delryn256]

Tha fact that a black woman is representing the woke crowd in the Netherlands, talking about getting rid of Dutch traditions that have existed for hundreds of years kinda says it all about what is happening in Europe.

[@cmonman3639]

She has the stereotypical smug leftist look on her face.

[@laidbare819]

But says nothing intelligible or of sense whatsoever. She is as non binary in her rhetoric as the none binary are. They just talk nonsense and change everything to suit a narrative. " her emancipation" 🤦‍♂️ Shut up!!!

[@randomlady6899]

....framed by her fake specs which she adopted for a more intellectual look.

[@daviru02]

One could almost say, a privileged look.

[@MarkSmithSa]

He is abundantly courteous; she does not automatically qualify for respect.

[@justsome-guy7596]

Agreed. She was rude and won little respect from me for her bullish argumentative stance.

[@moirabaker458]

Love Douglas Murray. A voice of reason

[@davedunn4285]

We are all born equal and we all die equal . Society has changed so dramatically now freedom of speech is quickly going out the door. Treat others as you would have them treat you . Political correctness is taking over

[@JP-qn4uo]

That “woman” is sooooooo far out of her league! Douglas Murray is in a class of his own!

[@deepblue8159]

James Postle how did she even get a platform with Douglas Murray?

[@gemmaharison-turner8034]

Listen to alot of his stuff he's brilliant

[@ajNKaj]

Chris Russell am black and i think minority privilege is rampant unless you happen to be black conservative. She is trying to teach Murray English!! Courtesy and RESPECT she shrieks!!!