John McWhorter: Clear, concise arguments. Michael Eric Dyson: * puts a dictionary in a blender, sets blender to frappe *
@skruskamp21383 жыл бұрын
True that! Never has a human said so much to say so little.
@usx062403 жыл бұрын
Dyson uses too many synonyms, thus showing off. He is articulate
@drewmalesky98693 жыл бұрын
@@usx06240 Being overtly wordy isn't articulate. Illustrating your point as efficiently as possible is being articulate.
@usx062403 жыл бұрын
Dyson is very, if not overly articulate. Jordan Peterson is much more concise and equally articulate. I don't agree on more than half of Dyson's points, though he is thought provoking and cannot be ignored. Strip the linguistic rapier and much of what he says is vapid jingoism.
@usx062403 жыл бұрын
@@drewmalesky9869 I agree, though this time I found him to be less obtuse than previous occasions. His word salad was tighter, though still excessive.
@arimarinelli57283 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter simplifies complex ideas. Michael Eric Dyson confounds simplistic ideas.
@searose61923 жыл бұрын
Nicely said 👍🏼
@malvolio013 жыл бұрын
Exactly. One is a heavyweight and one is a total poseur. Also, John is a total class act, while Dyson comes off as a prick.
@simeonteitelbaum36733 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid this is strictly accurate
@Twosheets3 жыл бұрын
He spent five minutes of his opening statement just to say “what I am saying is.....” Making everything he just said worthless. 😂
@deanchapman18243 жыл бұрын
Dyson is a leftist. Nuff said.
@TubeDude783 жыл бұрын
Moderator: What time is it? Michael Eric Dyson: To address our culture's current notion of time vis a vis the black person's existence entails examining the conception of how black people's history is understood in contrast to the predicate of identity politics which is a sine qua non of the white hegemony that constitutes the backdrop of a racial constitution unlike any other in the individual's modern sense of the reality of our cosmic temporal narrative.
@ATMyles3 жыл бұрын
Very good! This gave me a laugh, thank you. Only wish you’d somehow fit the word “rubric” in there. ;-)
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
Ah, satire, my favorite microaggression®. Well done!
@amlandcarellc31643 жыл бұрын
Hilarious
@mishka1103 жыл бұрын
I'll be more direct, Dyson is a r***rd.
@kenmilne44353 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@michaelcoy3113 жыл бұрын
The incoherence of Michael Eric Dyson is jaw dropping. It's like listening to a bag of popcorn.
@bobbiemiles-foremaniii87473 жыл бұрын
Despite this, McWhorter is able to explain back to him what he's saying perfectly. Dyson has no clue and doesn't care what McWhorter says
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat3 жыл бұрын
I saw this comment before I started and thought you were just being an internet jerk. But you are 100% correct. I can't watch this. He's trying so hard to sound smart it's just gobblydegook.
@phoenixfire82263 жыл бұрын
he's the deepak chopra of identity politics. word salad and almost no substance. mcwhorter is simultaneously more articulate and better reasoned by a factor of 10.
@michaelcoy3113 жыл бұрын
I also admire McWhorter’s personal style. When contradicting a point, he’s more apt to say, “I don’t see how...” or “I haven’t observed.” Deflating Dyson’s sweeping generalizations with humble observations.
@justthefacts6203 жыл бұрын
So you genuinely can't comprehend an opposing view point to your own. And, you want to brag about that???
@bizarro20daves3 жыл бұрын
John is such a smart dude. Dyson just got good at sounding smart but if you scratch under the surface, has no depth.
@bizarro20daves3 жыл бұрын
@Chester Jeffrey Dyson, is that you? If not, why did you copy and paste this same comment onto every comment here (due to all being critical of Dyson)
@andrewjoyner41333 жыл бұрын
@@bizarro20daves Chester is either highly delusional or is just very sarcastic. It is probably the latter.
@LiquidSoul063 жыл бұрын
It seem your just looking for someone to validate your beliefs.
@quirkytech22923 жыл бұрын
Yes. Brings to mind a favorite quote of mine: “They muddy the water, to make it seem deep.” -Nietzsche
@Ahabite3 жыл бұрын
He has depth, it's just filled to overflowing with BS.
@ns813 жыл бұрын
This is why kendi won’t debate Coleman Hughes.
@Ahabite3 жыл бұрын
I suspect this is mostly true. I think the other part is that Kendi makes a ton of money and has no need to risk anything -- sad as that is.
@KTravRuNEr3 жыл бұрын
Kendi needs to stay in his bubble so can’t debate anyone. #safespace
@OrwellsGoon3 жыл бұрын
@@Ahabite Absolutely correct. Why would Kendi debate Coleman Hughes, a calm, level-headed, rational thinker, when he could stand on a podium, brow beat white people, watch them genuflect to him, and make millions of dollars while doing it. Why show that he's an intellectual smooth-brain and risk his reputation by stepping in the ring with a brilliant kid who's barely graduate college.
@Ahabite3 жыл бұрын
@@willpower3317 Oh WOW! I didn't know it was that lucrative for non... Celebrity (?) activists. No wonder if reinforced from all sides.
@johnnyyork37963 жыл бұрын
I actually dont think Coleman would be Good in a debate ( to the average person), his delivery is to slow and he has a tendency to get talked over. He would win on actual points bit to the average person, he would look like he got pushed around.
@hlysnan64183 жыл бұрын
Dyson is a caricature of a man trying to sound smarter than he is.
@diranshouse70613 жыл бұрын
It's painful to listen to.
@chadparsons99543 жыл бұрын
Mean old white man.
@thomassenbart3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@archstanton34303 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I think he's modeled himself after Oswald Bates from In Living Color. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKa1ipRrgLGJhLc&ab_channel=MannySluggz
@jeffreysaunders73623 жыл бұрын
@@archstanton3430 I just watched that. I’m dying! 😂
@davidicaza11783 жыл бұрын
"Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity" - Friedrich Nietzsche
@marcusonesimus34003 жыл бұрын
david Icaza A neat quip, but Nietzsche was hardly a paragon of wisdom himself. (1st Corinthians 1:20-21) 'Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world in its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.'
@mikemcghee54133 жыл бұрын
is this why i scratch my head when Dyson is talking?
@mickg37383 жыл бұрын
@@marcusonesimus3400 "the world in its wisdom did not come to know God" This is what happens when the human mind is educated to rely upon evidence instead of faith in the word given by another man.
@marcusonesimus34003 жыл бұрын
@@mickg3738 You betray absolute ignorance of the historical context surrounding the quote, or the pertinent factual EVIDENCE. All you have done is to demonstrate the TRUTH of the Biblical statement. You are a perfect demonstration of its validity. You claim to see perfectly while blindfolded. Well, you have your own particular species of faith. Why will you not admit it? It would hurt your pride to do so. Your sort has been a danger to human civilization for the past 200 years. Your ideology and the pursuit of useful scientific knowledge are not necessarily connected.
@mickg37383 жыл бұрын
hello@@marcusonesimus3400 I am afraid that you have cast me into a "sort" that I do not belong. I am an atheist and holding this stance does not involve faith or pride or an ideology. I am pro-1st amendment and not anti-religious; though I disagree with some of the beliefs and practices of the various religions. Claiming that my disbelief in God validates the Biblical claim that disbelievers lack wisdom is a logical fallacy known as circular reasoning. To truly know me in your world is to know that I am a prophet. Your antagonism and defensiveness was highly predictable. Have a "blessed" day ;^D
@AntonDoesMusic3 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche put it best when he said, "Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity. For the crowd believes that if it cannot see to the bottom of something it must be profound. It is so timid and dislikes going into the water."
@searose61923 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that quote. It’s a new one to me and now one of my favorites.👍🏼
@gurpchirp3 жыл бұрын
a bit rich coming from *that* guy, eh? lol
@AntonDoesMusic3 жыл бұрын
@@gurpchirp You have to think there might be a bit of projection in his statement, right? haha
@concilium13 жыл бұрын
Yes! "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." -Friedrich Nietzsche
@gurpchirp3 жыл бұрын
@@AntonDoesMusic what i meant is nietzche is some of the most complicated shit i've ever tried to read in my life.
@Andrew_Fleming3 жыл бұрын
Dyson comes across like a snake oil salesman who used to be a preacher. His verbosity and prose only obscure the shallow points he is making. The problems are not just stylistic, but also factual: nearly everything he said about Rittenhouse, for instance, was incorrect, and its framing was all wrong. I cannot help but take him to be a charlatan.
@robinsss3 жыл бұрын
so true
@timagee1473 жыл бұрын
I don't think his verbosity really obscures his shallow points, it emphasizes them.
@ottolehto3 жыл бұрын
He is a poor man's Cornel West - another progressive preacher-rhetorician but someone who actually has a deeper analysis of the world, however flawed if may be.
@robinsss3 жыл бұрын
@@ottolehto i don't see a deeper understanding from him
@ottolehto3 жыл бұрын
@@robinsss Well, I am no fan of West's policy prescriptions, but he has e.g. defended free speech against cancel culture, which shows some understanding of the need for a deeper debate: www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/16/ideological-odd-couple-robert-george-and-cornel-west-issue-joint-statement-against
@acepilotson33313 жыл бұрын
Michael Dyson is such a silly fraud and impossible to take serious. John McWhorter is a genuine genius.
@acepilotson33313 жыл бұрын
@Chester Jeffrey Chester??? More like Jester. You must be joking.
@toma47943 жыл бұрын
@Chester Jeffrey Ah I see you're a full time troll, not just a hobby
@augustusarbogast98623 жыл бұрын
@@toma4794 seems like it lol. All trolls need a home.
@twodogs38683 жыл бұрын
John is a classy guy. Very heady and high-brow, without being tacky and over-priced, like a typical Dyson.
@acepilotson33313 жыл бұрын
@@twodogs3868 exactly. Well said
@Michael-cb5nm3 жыл бұрын
Michael Eric Dyson reminds me of a parody of a black intellectual that Damon Wayans did on In Living Color. He takes about 10 convoluted sentences to make a point, if he even has one.
@Ahabite3 жыл бұрын
LOL! Glad somebody else saw this.
@therencengoa41553 жыл бұрын
Lol 😂😂😂😂👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
@KTravRuNEr3 жыл бұрын
Haaaaaaaaa YES
@Michael-cb5nm3 жыл бұрын
I found it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWLbqammardsnqc
@gammasmash19243 жыл бұрын
Oswald Bates. I think of that character every time I hear Dyson speak. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKa1ipRrgLGJhLc
@jasonchung49682 жыл бұрын
I'm so impressed by Michael Eric Dyson! That someone could make THAT comfortable a living (he's worth $9 mil) off being a grifter who says so much NOTHING is astounding!
@Crypt0rkid Жыл бұрын
Con-artists often do get rich off their con until it's up. His con is racism which is just a human condition so the sky is the limit.
@jeepdan77762 жыл бұрын
Michael Eric Dyson still to this date holds the worlds record for talking the most and saying absolutely nothing.
@josuecallejero98643 жыл бұрын
McWhorter's intelligence squared needs a logarithmic graph. Dyson's intelligence squared is still zero.
@PatsYanks093 жыл бұрын
Dyson tiene la mente media tostada.
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
@@PatsYanks09 la parte que le queda
@marcusevans11713 жыл бұрын
This is a smart insult lol
@calfborg3 жыл бұрын
Dyson is a terrible communicator. He’s insufferably pretentious and prefers word count to clarity.
@ATMyles3 жыл бұрын
Even his name has more words than is necessary.
@sonicportal73753 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Stephen A Smith
@phil55693 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! 100% true!
@abrahamlincoln97583 жыл бұрын
You're just a mean mad white man.
@jamescooper79573 жыл бұрын
That’s the idea. You spend so much time trying to piece together insensible word salads he spews, he’s on to the next topic.
@jdknutsen3 жыл бұрын
McWhorter = complex thoughts in simple terms Dyson = Simple thoughts in complex terms
@Dentsun42283 жыл бұрын
you're simple
@julianfischer23413 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call Dyson's ideas simple, they are more confusing and nonsensical.
@rwwdzzm56083 жыл бұрын
Correct some people want to believe that Dyson is not smart he’s very smart but in my opinion he talks too much for the average person.
@scottwmackey3 жыл бұрын
Tom Anderson = Nonsnense thoughts in nonsense terms.
@sanghoonlee51713 жыл бұрын
I think the young Dyson's oratorical flourish won heavy praise at grade school speech competitions--and he enjoyed the judges' approval so much that he decided to talk like that all the time.
@tipsydog33 жыл бұрын
Because “articulate.”
@NoNameNo.53 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter: relatable, logical, moral clarity Michael Eric Dyson: vindictive, obfuscatory, citcuital... word salad
@ATMyles3 жыл бұрын
Dyson’s constant “uh”-ing indicates a man struggling to form his next thought and find his next 10-cent word.
@machsimillian143 жыл бұрын
Vindictive? Where? Also, when did he obfuscate?
@NoNameNo.53 жыл бұрын
@@machsimillian14 every time he spoke with word salad
@machsimillian143 жыл бұрын
@@NoNameNo.5 it's not obfuscation if he addresses the question or point being made. Obfuscation is never actually addressing the issue at hand, being purposely deceitful. The word salad used words with purpose, each one addresses the point.
@NoNameNo.53 жыл бұрын
@@machsimillian14 yes, I think it’s clear we disagree on that
@samir_israeel3 жыл бұрын
We get it Dyson! You can read. But can you debate?
@clootscalhoun94813 жыл бұрын
I’ll answer for him. No. Say lots of big words? Definitely. But debate, no.
@claraht.69993 жыл бұрын
Debate with a word master?NOPE
@lesliemcclinton78443 жыл бұрын
No contest. Dyson likes to hear himself talk.
@timty82243 жыл бұрын
"John, I think what I hear from Michael" is a common experience for anyone trying to make sense of Dyson's pointless blather.
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jdankerdake2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that John doesn’t only offer criticism, but proposes tangible solutions.
@CanWeGetDeep2 жыл бұрын
The amount of time needed to explain the meaning of identity, tell you everything you need to know about how these gentlemen debate. Direct/precise vs. incoherent rambling
@muximus27713 жыл бұрын
Adam Carolla said about the Tom Cruise meltdown the other day: "He had 10 minutes of energy in his belly but only 30 seconds of ideas in his head." Thats Mike Dyson...
@redredred13 жыл бұрын
People discount Carolla nowadays, but he has these turns of phrase sometimes that hit like a sledgehammer.
@justthefacts6203 жыл бұрын
@@redredred1 hits like hammer, by those made of egg shells??? William F. Buckley was a main voice of the conservative movement and people rose to the challenge of his linguistic style. Milk toast is easier to digest, but it's MILK TOAST.
@jason666king3 жыл бұрын
Mcwhorter demolished his opponent in this debate.
@RealityHijacked3 жыл бұрын
@Jesse R I sure hope that was sarcasm....lol.
@andrewjoyner41333 жыл бұрын
@@RealityHijacked Yeah he said exactly the same thing about Ibrahm Kendri on another vid.lol
@RealityHijacked3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewjoyner4133 Oh, nice lol
@gengiz803 жыл бұрын
he did not
@fabbeyonddadancer3 жыл бұрын
No he didn’t they both basically made sound arguments
@saiello20613 жыл бұрын
I just wasted one hour of my life. Correction, the +half hour spent listening to Dyson....
@rogerflack4152 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter is like a magnificent wrecking ball. He just smashes through Dyson's arguments.
@ARealPersonNotABot3 жыл бұрын
As a young man searching for answers I actually looked up to Michael Eric Dyson back in the day. Something never felt quite right about him, but I ignored it.
@Ken-iu2zp2 жыл бұрын
Nah Dyson is very intelligent. Just overly wordy. He's a professor. Lol he's not a fake snake oil type. The man is actually a Professor are a respectable university. Don't repeat what everyone says about a person. Use your own Brain.
@JonPaulie2 жыл бұрын
@@Ken-iu2zp you have to be smart to convince a large swath of people that snake oil is the cure for cancer. Just because you are intelligent and were able to convince a university to let you be part of their club does not mean you have good ideas or solutions to a problem. I wish I had Mr Dysons vocabulary but I pray that more people will begin giving the Mcwhorters of the world a larger voice in these discussions.
@ShunyamNiketana2 жыл бұрын
One problem I have with Dyson is that he sounds like the stereotypical academic intellectual: sarcastic, polysyllabic, full of jargon, angry--a lot of style and emotion but not much substance. He took it too far with Jordan Peterson and got rebutted off the stage.
@sorceress19863 жыл бұрын
Michael Eric Dyson takes 20 minutes to say NOTHING.
@mmmckaysquad3 жыл бұрын
The most accurate thing ever said about Michael Eric Dyson was said by Candace Owens: "You're just using big words to say nothing."
@Lucypetuniaggm3 жыл бұрын
Dyson: “Let me say this very briefly.” Oh sure.
@beartrapperkc3 жыл бұрын
does MED even know what he's talking about? It sounds like he is just stringing words together with no point.
@Dan166733 жыл бұрын
Yup. I'm not sure wtf he said lol
@ahmad-unlocked3 жыл бұрын
it was a good debate. enjoyed both. if you didn't understand dyson, you don't to deem him as just string words together. these are professors whose job is not to dumb down things. we have enough of that. it's your jobs to use write down and google when it becomes to complicated for you. that's how intellectualism works.
@Dan166733 жыл бұрын
@@ahmad-unlocked or perhaps Dyson is just non sensical?
@ahmad-unlocked3 жыл бұрын
@@Dan16673 perhaps
@sunnyroad56443 жыл бұрын
we use to have a Prime Minister in the U.K called Neil Kinnock[lasted a year].He was called the Welsh Windbag. I actuality think it is 'learning disability', because he uses 1000 words while a good communicator would use 50 to make a point.
@XKY263 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter is truly a great linguists. He's able to use simple words to convey complex arguments. Michael Eric Dyson, on the other hand, is a great word-count speaker. Using more words than necessary to say simple things.
@everythingsawesome3 жыл бұрын
Michael Eric Dyson is not clear, not concise, and often not coherent. John McWhorter is clear, concise, and coherent-and correct. Another difference is that John doesn't have to cloak anything in the cadence of preacherly flourish and priestly syntax to distract like Michael does.
@T_1357_F3 жыл бұрын
Michael Eric Dyson is incapable of speaking a sentence using 20 words or less. I would love for his to answer a simple question like: What time is it? Without making a speech.
@greym78573 жыл бұрын
"Well...based on the heliocentric nature of our solar system within our galaxy it is 10:55:07." The shortest I can come up with.
@nalbizo23 жыл бұрын
Seems like MED is more concerned with sounding intellectual than making a coherent argument.
@usx062403 жыл бұрын
Obviously you do not appreciate the temporal relativism via a vis disparities which de facto express themselves concurrent between and among "othered" individuals with non-white and non-parochial or if you will, discordant frames of reference. In other words, in the words of the great philosophers of Chicago, "Does anybody really know what time it is?"
@T_1357_F3 жыл бұрын
@@usx06240 Nice example of Dyson attempting to be concise.
@pepsilamar33203 жыл бұрын
@Chester Jeffrey ....said no one ever
@CribNotes3 жыл бұрын
Back in the 90's, Michael Eric Dyson was amusing to listen to. Now, he just sounds like a word salad with spoiled dressing. After hearing from others on this subject such as Glen Loury, Coleman Hughes, etc in recent times....I can no longer stomach Michael Eric Dyson's half-assed platform of never ending victim hood.
@letMeSayThatInIrish3 жыл бұрын
22:42 My take away, and why I support McWhorter's position: 1. Stop the war on drugs. 2. Teach reading better. 3. Free contraceptives. 4. Something about college which is probably spot on. I can't tell, I never went to college.
@groovecouple46442 жыл бұрын
I appreciated the point Professor McWhorter made that white racism DOES NOT stand in the way of black Americans achieving those goals…
@kal-el55353 жыл бұрын
When John Mcwhorter says these opinions aren’t just held by whites he’s right because I’m Mexican and I can’t stand identity politics and there a lot of people like me
@robertfluxx3 жыл бұрын
I am Mexican and live in Canada, I hate identity politics too
@johnmingus27283 жыл бұрын
Haha Yee, my wife is Mexican and more conservative than me!
@bobbyschannel3492 жыл бұрын
I agree, because I live in Southern california, and identity politics have literally destroyed this once beautifully multicultural city, with nothing but Brown face people from the South of the border, those damn liberals have literally destroyed Los angeles. I can't even walk down to San Fernando valley anymore without thinking that I'm in tj. Those damn liberals who are sitting around here with all their identity politics and diversity in their sanctuary cities, allowing people who have no business here living here you're right!
@S.J.L3 жыл бұрын
"I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." Booker T. Washington seeing into the future from the 1800's to call out the M.E.Dysons', Kendis' & Jones of the world.
@hm75633 жыл бұрын
That's a left wing conspiracy theory. These problems can be solved in 30 years. Family focus should be on education. Educate the parent and the child.
@elingrome58533 жыл бұрын
@@hm7563 eh??
@KP-wg6by3 жыл бұрын
I think two great lies we have told the African American community are that a) whiteness exists as an existential homogeneous force, and b) they have no influence over it. Not only is whiteness not homogeneous, non-white cultural influence has significant impact on the American sense of self and wider culture.
@parabola12123 жыл бұрын
Without the victim card, Dyson would be lost in discussion.
@blove1423 жыл бұрын
"systemic racism" is a great excuse for failure, but it just doesn't account for success, like michael eric dyson and the thousands of other black millionaires, mayors, police chiefs, authors, politicians, presidents,celebrities, athletes, intellectuals. etc. It is NOT the jim crow south anymore, we have all moved on , why doesnt Dr. Dyson.??
@willpower33173 жыл бұрын
@@blove142 because this is how he makes his living. It is that simple. I have relatives who make a healthy income spewing this garbage.
@machsimillian143 жыл бұрын
@@blove142 funny, so many studies suggesting that it exists. Guess all those intellectuals are pushing victim narratives also. What about the millionaires who still get discriminated against and still face prejudice based on their skin color? Many of them say that it exists, are they lying also?
@olafnilsen16413 жыл бұрын
@@machsimillian14 yes
@hawks59993 жыл бұрын
“The great philosopher Beyoncé Knowles” Wait. Is this the Babylon Bee?
@Lolaismypoopydog20363 жыл бұрын
That’s MED hackneyed attempt at humor
@Dwadedragon3 жыл бұрын
He's been using that line for a long time, regurgitating the same sermon over and over. I used to be a huge fan until I found real black intellectuals like John Mcwhorter and Glenn Lowry
@LiquidSoul063 жыл бұрын
@@Dwadedragon lol for you to discount He intellect only means you were looking for an echo chamber.
@Dwadedragon3 жыл бұрын
@@LiquidSoul06 yeah me listening to him for years means that I discount his intellect? Wrong, that's an assumption you've projected onto me. MED is a very smart and accomplished man, it's a shame that the ideology/pathology he espouses is so poor and surface level, lacking a bases in the nuance of reality. High IQ and intellegence doesn't equal wisdom, it only means that he's better at rationalizing his irrational pathology. The truth is when I listened to MED I was in an echo chamber. He was telling me exactly what I wanted to hear, I was a victim, weak willed, lost, blaming others for my circumstances. Encountering the ideas of John McWhorter, Glenn Lowry, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steel, Coleman Hughes (I could go on) shook the foundation of what I believed to be true. Causing me to do deep research and discover my own voice and my truth. Ripping out the root of victim mentality, and planting the seed of *victor mentality* in my mind and heart.
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dwadedragon dude, seriously...this guy Dyson been a joke since the 80s. If anybody is married to an ideology, that aint smart. Its stupid. Dyson is stupid.
@AdamGussow3 жыл бұрын
I'm a McWhorter partisan but also a fan of Dyson's writings. What stands out starkly here are their divergent styles. McWhorter, never wasting words, cuts to the bone. One would expect a linguist to be enamored of language; McWhorter is, but he's not LISTENING TO HIMSELF. He's just speaking to the issue, cogently and incisively. Dyson, by contrast, is always expending a certain amount of his neural processing power listening to his own unfolding preacherly cadences, seeking not the cogent argument but the mellifluous rhyme. In this way he's massaging the sensibilities of his imputed congregation, seeking the "Tell it, brother!" shouted from the amen corner. But here, there's no congregation, so that focus, that energy, is floundering--slightly, but palpably. Stage this debate before a large, rowdy audience and the energies would flow much differently. Dyson's rhetorical style would score big. Here, though, it just feels as though he's lost in his own sauce.
@CoachJJ3 жыл бұрын
Normally, I could get onboard with it simply being a stylistic selection issue, yet with Dyson he uses this same style in too many public communications. As a business consultant, I would think the basic lesson of knowing your audience would be a basic skillset of any "intellectual". We all have thoughts and intuitions, but to use vocabular education to simply throw more/different words, metaphors, quotes, etc. at the wall vs to more potently convey meaning, is very revealing. In the business world, Mike seems stuck on buzz words, or corporate jargon. Something that would catch up to him quickly enough.
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunate and in a certain sense tragicomedic because the (few) good points he does make get drowned in that sauce of his own making. And, as a caricature of the side he represents he presents a huge target - note the almost unanimous withering snark here in the comments.
@TerryStewart323 жыл бұрын
@Brett M he’s not even a good oratory. Christopher Hitchens is a brilliant orator as is Obama and Malcolm X. Micheal Eric Dyson ways of speaking is unnatural and come across as forced. It’s not effortless and it seems like he’s putting it on
@sifridbassoon3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you mean by "...enamored of language" especially if you use Dyson as an example of someone who is. Dyson certainly is someone who is enamored by hearing himself talk.
@adamfstewart813 жыл бұрын
Truth.
@stevezellmer66952 жыл бұрын
I gave up, I can't listen to Michael Eric "word salad" Dyson anymore
@d.b.cooper61123 жыл бұрын
Propping up a poor idea w/ verbal chaos & absurd semantics.
@Chris-is1rd3 жыл бұрын
Dyson means well. I know that. But he is so unnecessarily verbose that his arguments are mostly incoherent fancy sounding nonsense
@RonKraftwerk3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@BTODNG3 жыл бұрын
NO he doesn't!
@englishspeaker81793 жыл бұрын
Actual arguments in syllogistic fashion actually need to stay relatively simple. Premise by premise needs to stay intelligible, so a good conclusion can be reached by anyone reading or listening. He thinks complicated puffy points convince people. They don't. It only convinces people who are pretending to understand, because it sounds smarter than they are. He has been preaching to a choir for so long it seems, he has stopped working to convince people who think.
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
@@englishspeaker8179 The phenomenon you describe is also an active ingredient in the "success" of the likes of Jordan Peterson, William F Buckley, Cornel West and William Lane Craig. The only ingredient in the latter's case.
@paulvazzo99383 жыл бұрын
Not sure if he means well by calling everyone racist...that is such a powerful word
@rickmoranis75563 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter's list of 4 things that "Black America" needs: 1. Stop the War on Drugs 2. Teach reading better 3. Make long acting reversible contraceptives available for free to all poor women. 4. Get past the idea that a legitimate American goes to 4 years of college - and stress vocation education. Just because he keeps referencing it. @22:37
@robinsss3 жыл бұрын
@Historia Antiqua so true what are we waiting for?
@user-jv8kr4im1t3 жыл бұрын
I actually needed this, thank you for helpful neutrality.
@davidicaza11783 жыл бұрын
@Historia Antiqua EVERY SCHOOL CHILD LEARNS A TRADE BY THE TIME THEY GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL should be a bumper sticker
@marcusonesimus34003 жыл бұрын
Rick Moranis Amendment to #3 which is applicable to any 'race' or culture: NO MAN is God's gift to women 'in general'-------------------perhaps only to a specific woman within the bounds of lifelong monogamous fidelity.
@ambabamba72713 жыл бұрын
5. Listen to John McWhorter REALLY listen & put into action 1-4.
@barracktoboggan30333 жыл бұрын
I’ll take “Verbosity” for 800 please
@jennapecor18653 жыл бұрын
John: non academics don’t care and don’t like it when we talk like this. Michael: I’ll show them how much they hate it....give me 5 min.
@ramonek91093 жыл бұрын
Dyson just knows words. McWorther knows how to talk.
@ThinkClub3 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter wants to focus on the material needs of poor blacks. Michael Eric Dyson wants to focus on his own needs: cultural respect from all whites. McWhorter nailed it when he called this idealist. No one has the respect of an entire group. It's a ridiculous thing to advocate for especially when so much could be done for the people who's living conditions could be radically improved through the four pragmatic social reforms McWhorter cites.
@lordabacu3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's classic constrained vision versus unconstrained vision, a la Thomas So-well (to the extent that Dyson's vision can even be discerned or articulated amid his regurgitated word salad).
@ThinkClub3 жыл бұрын
@@lordabacu so-well LOL!
@lordabacu3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkClub Was hoping you caught that.
@lordabacu3 жыл бұрын
Hypothesis: Vaush pronouncing it that way is a Freudian slip. He says it like "so well" -- as in Thomas speaks "so well" -- because Vaush secretly wants to say that Sowell is "articulate" but knows that's a big no-no.
@lordabacu3 жыл бұрын
that joke was less of a reach in my head
@gaijinbaka3 жыл бұрын
Loved it when Dyson said, “let me be brief’, and then rambled on for 5 minutes.😂
@dtgris72912 жыл бұрын
Well, you have to understand. 5 minutes is brief for him 😂
@billholler24182 жыл бұрын
btw, the second printing of our toilet paper with dysons face on every sheet should be available by Dec 16th.
@chadhughes15013 жыл бұрын
Some real questions for Dr. Dyson or anyone who knows: how would you measure the level of progress? How would you know when the struggle to create division has achieved its desired effect?
@michaeleverest34872 жыл бұрын
I think we have to measure progress, not by the time we are in, but by looking through the past. How can we know progress if we only take measure from the brief time we are part of? We would no real basis on which to guage what we've progressed from. I do think it is much easier to know the success of attempts at division, by looking at what people hold to be Truth. We have a great example of this in our time which should be studied for years: the election of 2020. There is some 2/3 of the Republican Party which believe Biden is illegitimate as President and the election was stolen. Now, you'll hear many Republicans say "Biden is the President", but what they won't say is "Biden is the legitimate President ". Political operators were successful in this.
@mariussielcken2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeleverest3487 do you know how many democrats contested Bush Jr.'s election?
@brettWwjd3 жыл бұрын
Dyson is lucky that wasn't Glenn Loury
@Ken-iu2zp2 жыл бұрын
Stfu. Cheerleading sounding ass. Who is Glenn Loury other than a former crackhead and woman beater.
@ShunyamNiketana2 жыл бұрын
We're lucky because neither is terse.
@kenlucas54742 жыл бұрын
@@ShunyamNiketana LMAO!
@chriswinters40533 жыл бұрын
I like Dyson but he obscures his arguments with the subterfuge of 10 dollar words and alliterative prose. Basically he talks a lot but really says nothing. Its almost as if he is talking down to his audience. Sometimes its insulting.
@commandermudpie3 жыл бұрын
You like Dyson.... really?
@chriswinters40533 жыл бұрын
@@commandermudpie Yes. I disagree with almost all of his points but I don't dislike him.
@BrianBerneker3 жыл бұрын
Has Dyson ever heard of this thing called "Europe", you know with all the different peoples?
@Varlwyll3 жыл бұрын
He thinks white people are a monolith
@Napalm6b3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly, he might surprised by the whole "no dogs, no Irish" in England back in the day.
@ChrisVanSlykeCVS3 жыл бұрын
Exactly Dyson acts like tribalism or identity politics never existed in "white" societies as if it was invented to subjugate PoC's. You either have to be willfully ignorant or a liar to stake your claims on clear historic and biological falsehoods..
@patrickkilroy65123 жыл бұрын
It's probably the primordial soup white people crawled out of before coming to America in his mind. Why learn about the cultures of a place which you hate because of the prevailing skin colour there?
@markawbolton3 жыл бұрын
Dyson is a self parody. Empty vessel adorned with obfuscation dressed up as intellectual jargon meaning nothing.
@machsimillian143 жыл бұрын
Your comment exemplifies your point quite well.
@vickielawson31142 жыл бұрын
Dyson tries very hard to sound smart. McWhorter sounds smart without trying. Huge difference.
@Ultra_Light_Beam3 жыл бұрын
The real shame of Dyson is that he’s such a tedious thinker. He doesn’t even give the strongest argument for his rather bad ideas.
@mickiemallorie3 жыл бұрын
I bet you don't even know what his argument was? Could you even recognize where John and Mike agreed...they actually did quite a lot.
@iobject14213 жыл бұрын
Dyson is so hard to listen to
@hassanusmani50693 жыл бұрын
Dyson: “what do I mean?” Me: no idea dude
@VelkePivo3 жыл бұрын
Wow, Dyson is so clearly preaching a religion.
@oldchicken23 жыл бұрын
“Maybe if I talk fast enough people will think I’m smart.” - Eric Dyson
@thevirtualjonathan12843 жыл бұрын
the liberal mirror of a ben shapiro.
@megaloschemos91133 жыл бұрын
51:25 George Floyd was saying that he could not breathe before he asked to be put on the ground
@wowomah61943 жыл бұрын
Indeed. But it's a convenient reinforcement of a narrative. If it serves the narrative and seems true enough, then it won't get questioned. In fact, none of it will questioned but oh well...
@Ahabite3 жыл бұрын
Yes he did.
@usx062403 жыл бұрын
Correct, but that does not obviate officer's duty to release the stress hold as soon as he was cuffed. I hope we all agree. That said, the it is often difficult to discern real distress vs. Psychological distress. Cops have a tough job. Cell phone crowds make it worse. Without crowd interference, he may have lived.
@Lurch6853 жыл бұрын
@@usx06240 he was going to die regardless. He overdosed
@hafenikalwenya2233 жыл бұрын
@@Lurch685 lol the lies people tell themselves to justify taking a life..
@phil55693 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter: Brilliant, philosophical, concise. Michael Eric Dyson: Would you like to hear how many words I can cram into a thought without actually saying anything meaningful?
@co99713 жыл бұрын
im just here for John McWhorter. been a fan since 2000's
@richardhead98183 жыл бұрын
Dyson reminds me of Deepak Chopra here, using language and verbosity to dazzle and make his points appear more profound than they really are.
@spifflord3083 жыл бұрын
Had the same thought mate
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
Jorpak Deepityson, William F Buckley, Cornel West, William Lane Craig, Billy Graham - further practitioners of the obfuscatory arts.
@design70543 жыл бұрын
@@twntwrs Craig is tremendous, destroyed Christopher Hitchens who I was a great fan of at the time. You have to pay close attention to the logic as he builds it and then ties it back together.
@twntwrs3 жыл бұрын
@@design7054 Not sure if trolling or sarcasm. I fear it's the former.
@andywilliams79893 жыл бұрын
Amazing how so few people have picked up on the fact that Identity politics has given right-wing activists and influencers the most powerful tool to support their arguements. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. Micheal Dyson's opening gambit was so intellectual, so abstract and so vague. I almost turned the video off. The right wingers and the centrists are winning in politics because the left has lost its capacity to speak in nuts and bolts terms. All this poésie is great for the industrially produced university grade millenial mentality, but for people with real jobs and grass roots concerns, people like Dyson are pissing in the wind.
@ryanhoffman54772 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I do like the fact that Bill Maher is working on trying to separate classical liberalism from the woke folks. I don't think the right wingers realize that danger in referring all of the party as such. The hard core activities that are full in are really small in numbers, most of them don't even know much of what the CRT or other philosophical brands are grounded in. The Postmodernism side that is in the left is very much anti liberalism, it's literally written in the doctrines of Postmodernism and same with the neo Marxist. They can't start a new political party so they label themselves as liberal but their philosophy is anti liberalism. This is why it's hard to separate the true liberals from the woke folks, right wingers are using it to their advantage to get votes. There's a radical side to the right wing as well and I don't think a lot people have given it the right attention do to the Trump phenomenon. I think there's a new phenomenon on the far right side and it's something new. Can't put my finger on it yet. But reading a lot on psychology and believe the answer is there.
@andywilliams79892 жыл бұрын
@@ryanhoffman5477 I suspect a corporate incubation of all the woke stuff. I remember occupy wall st, "we are the 99%" and marching against Monsanto so hard they sold up to lose the name. And now we are all divided over nonsense. For me I first noticed it when I was researching regenerating desert scrub using high volume rapid grazing techniques, (Allan Savoury). We are talking about getting rivers running and regreening dust bowls, incredible work, AND it produces excess food in the form of meat. Amazing. I then fell on some "debunking" of the work, and it was all vegans, and all incredibly agressive. I was shocked, but quickly came to the conclusion (i am a part time permaculture teacher with a high exposure rate to this kind of public) that without industrial agriculture veganism doesn't hold up as an ecological ethic, in fact its very destructive, and if we all eat soya, well we know who wins. The same tendance runs across all the new forms of social justice, its all wonky, doesn't make sense, and plays into corporate hands when you run the simulator to its end game. Of course governments , even right wing governements, will give in to pronouns and toilets, it costs them nothing and makes the SJW class feel like they are winning, when in fact, nothing major or fundemental changes, its pure genius
@maxwellflitton39732 жыл бұрын
I've spent 7 years at university with two degrees, I have two books published, and love reading for fun. Dyson is not an intellectual who is flying over the heads of others. It's fluff. Dyson has to use the fluffy language because if he said his points in straight talking terms, his pretentious followers wouldn't be able to defend him. Having worked in good jobs and academic institutions in my experience the ones who know what they are doing are straight talking no matter their political position. The ones who use fluff don't have anything and are trying to dupe others.
@danielriveria3 жыл бұрын
More constructive then anything on MSM. I'm thrilled that there is a audience interested in a conversation like this. This is something that has to be addressed and a 5 min shouting match between talking heads is not the answer.
@patrickhull92313 жыл бұрын
As a Linguist and after listening to Dyson for an hour, McWhorter must have been wondering whether or not his schooling was worth it and if he's really learned anything about language.
@trustmetours573 жыл бұрын
Having listened to Mr Dyson on several occasions it's clear that nothing would ever be enough for him.
@superkat4602 жыл бұрын
The brilliant points of view of Dr Dyson strongly engaged me over those of McWhorter's perspectives.
@ChannelMath3 жыл бұрын
Dyson is so bad at representing his 'side'. I was sympathetic until he started name-calling Jordan Peterson, helping Peterson greatly. He's a panderer, which is the last thing we need in this time, especially from a public intellectual
@alexgibson28713 жыл бұрын
Yep he was loving that crowd
@thewuggening99933 жыл бұрын
He’s definitely not a public intellectual.. this clown earns the honorific of pundit and nothing more.
@seaglider8443 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian I just remember Dyson going full race bait during the Monk Debate with Jordan Peterson...."you're just a mean white man". He exposed himself as a shallow, one trick pony.....he seems to forget that U.S. racial politics does not export well to all parts of the world. I don't think I'll listen to him anymore.....I gave it a shot but he's got nothing to tell me.
@Michael-cb5nm3 жыл бұрын
Jordan called him out on that one though, if I remember.
@CosmicValkyrie3 жыл бұрын
If you want to see how well identity politics is useful for the prosperity of the nation, look at Indian politics. It is 100% identity politics right from the beginning of its independence. I'll give you a clue, it's not going too well.
@arjay97453 жыл бұрын
Most interesting remark on the video I've seen. Care to elaborate a bit? I'm very curious.
@RoyalBlue433 жыл бұрын
Dyson talks like an undergraduate paper that came alive
@anyakirby20143 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter: brilliant brain, clear arguments, simple facts and logic, charisma and, mainly, BRAVERY : he’d better have it as he goes against the major flow. Michal Eric Dison: words, words, cliches, maybe intelligence, maybe charisma. He doesn’t need brilliance or bravery: he is with the flow. The presenter: highly professional, encouraging, eloquent, uniting. Thank you very much. Great dialogue. Subscribed to the channel now, looking forward to more podcasts. ,
@bklee27203 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but I got about 8 minutes into this and I had to quit. I simply cannot listen to Michael Eric Dyson. I have listened to him dozens of times over the years but I hadn't heard him in about 2 years. I hoped that he had evolved at least a little bit since then...he hasn't. I always love listening to John McWhorter, but I'm going to have to miss this one because of his fellow commentator. Michael Eric Dyson is willfully participating in the destruction of our race and of the United States of America in general. I am one black man who totally disagrees with him and sees him as, in the words of the another black man, the great Shelby Steele, "plague on his race".
@user-jv8kr4im1t3 жыл бұрын
Nice virtue signal bro. Make sure they know u a good 1.
@bklee27203 жыл бұрын
@@user-jv8kr4im1t sounds like you are a contributor to the plague... how many fake-ass racism blames have you dreamed up today shine?
@user-jv8kr4im1t3 жыл бұрын
@@bklee2720 Lol, you're funny. Let me guess you came up through the "struggle" and then realized you were being lied to. 😂 This grift is old as dirt.
@bklee27203 жыл бұрын
@@user-jv8kr4im1t No, you and the rest of the Sharpton minions are being lied to. Let's see...all the black race hustlers and virtuous white liberals with platforms live large by keeping sheep like you dependent... THAT grift is actually older that dirt.
@user-jv8kr4im1t3 жыл бұрын
@@bklee2720 A black man who still thinks we listen to Al Sharpton 😂🤣. Keep going I'll wait for it. I can hear the superiority in your voice bruh...😝
@nathanrhodes41313 жыл бұрын
"The identity that has been identified as the universal identity." Ah, leftist pontification, that predictably meaningless gobbledygook.
@soapmanjuanfirmino9433 жыл бұрын
It's so difficult to listen to Dyson
@modernlegacy55553 жыл бұрын
I forgot what the question was by the time Dyson finished answering.
@PoldarkGodzilla3 жыл бұрын
Listening to Dyson is hard work
@ATMyles3 жыл бұрын
No surprise to hear that Dyson is a minister. He preaches like Al Sharpton.
@arich233 жыл бұрын
McWhorter wiped the floor with Dyson in this one.
@bobbyschannel3492 жыл бұрын
Considering the fact that you're black face is on a comment section that is pleasant with white nationalist, stay out of my community, do not show your face around my community you are excommunicated out of the group and you are not allowed to come around my people. Do not claim my race do not identify with my race. I do not ever want to see you around my community again.
@lollie68223 жыл бұрын
Such a pleasure to hear the concise, clear, understandable, relatable language of John McWhorter rather than the reverse. Could it be because he is a linguist??? No, he's just a person who communicates. Rare these days. .
@RealityHijacked3 жыл бұрын
Dyson got CRUSHED with logic and raw pragmatism!
@LiquidSoul063 жыл бұрын
How so? You must have not watched the video
@RealityHijacked3 жыл бұрын
@@LiquidSoul06 You must be delusional....
@cafootdoc3 жыл бұрын
MED only likes to address external issues about the Black Community while McWhorter addresses the elephant in the room, the internal problems in the Black Community which is for some reason a Taboo!
@tnvheiseler2 жыл бұрын
Its unfair John is so much more intelligent.
@allyourbase8883 жыл бұрын
“Can we be a little more terse?” 😆😂😭☠️
@jareddahle38543 жыл бұрын
Dyson’s love of his own voice is his biggest impediment to clearly articulating a coherent message. Brevity is a quality sir.
@abbaeben64093 жыл бұрын
It is unimportant who “won” or “lost” or “wiped the floor with”- The importance of this is that opposing ideas can find comity and respect. Bravo to both MED and John
@mdes10333 жыл бұрын
Yes. Let Michael Eric Dyson be acknowledged and appreciated for being a man of 'the sjws' always interested and willing to have these debates. We need more of this, fuck you trolls for shitting on him
@missymiss23573 жыл бұрын
@@mdes1033 MED is a sucky, long-winded talking head.
@ChrisVanSlykeCVS3 жыл бұрын
True but only insofar as the ideas that lose stay within the confines of abstraction and don't get implemented in the real world. Bad ideas have to know that they are bad ideas.
@wolfsettgast49453 жыл бұрын
John McWhorter is highly respected, because he is a highly respectable person.
@wojonixon93532 жыл бұрын
Man, that Dyson can toss a word salad like no other. I wouldn’t know if I agree with him or not because I can’t tell what the hell he’s talking about.
@SpiderFromMars813 жыл бұрын
Wow...this actually challenged me. McWhorter has good points and I feel like he was more convincing than Dyson. A lot to absorb and think about. Great debate!
@rodpruitt89263 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed that you are willing to think about challenging ideas. Most people have their minds made up, and are impervious to alternative points of view. Good on you. I also try to keep an open mind.
@MHAFOOTBALL3 жыл бұрын
Is it still intelligence squared when only one of them seems intelligent?
@blackmanwithcomputer3 жыл бұрын
You can't tell me John didn't mute himself and laugh hysterically every time Dyson spoke.
@billholler24182 жыл бұрын
We now carry 2 ply tp, with either dyson and sharpton or biden and harris. Help wipe away this shit.
@hankschrader7050 Жыл бұрын
Tell us about when you went to Mcdalnolds... John Mcwhorter: *I went to McDonalds and I purchased a soda and some fries* Dyson: *The perplexity of the Mcdalnolds symbiosis, which is that in the direction that I went, amounted to the systemic inequalities that ultimately held the black community to an oppressed perseverance, that the racist white man, who had been dispersing onto the homogeneous deconstruction of our community, in that which we are rectified....*